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I`m trying to learn Anime/manga 3D modeling, but I don`t think I`m getting things right...
Just give me some tips and your thoughts on the model so far...
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>>599148
>I`m trying to learn Anime/manga 3D modeling
There's your fucking problem.

Animu and Mango are supposed to be fucking 2D.
That shit does not look good 3D with all the computer shit instead of being hand-drawn.
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this definitely deserves its own thread
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>>599152
I mean, not exactly ANIME.
But anime style...
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>>599157
This fucking board deserves every thread that is not another software pissing contest.
Also, it's one of the slowest, so calm your fucking tits
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>>599159
You do realize that most of this is baked in AO, various skin shadings and when looking at your OP your eye shape is completely wrong?
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>>599148
I would like to agree with you on that. After doing R&D on cel-shading, 2D/3D compositing and stylized modeling & rendering for almost 18 years, witnessing several hardware/software revolutions and technological paradigms, I came to the sobering conclusion that there is currently nothing I (or most other artists) can do to satisfactorily mimic 2D artwork - especially hand-inked artstyles - with 3D CG.

All attempts, even the latest, look off and wrong. Nothing of this 3D 'Anime' work is pleasant to look at. The argument 'good enough' is not satisfactory and usually used by dilettantes to justify compromises or technical inaptitude. As someone with classical art training (oil, acrylics, Chinese ink, airbrush) I cannot accept this attitude.

"Render unto 2D the things that are 2D's, and unto 3D the things that are 3D's."
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>>599148
What software is that?
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>>599148
Learn to make shaders. Using very simple geometry and the correct shaders, you can make some impressive work. A lot of Breath of the Wild's beauty is achieved through their shaders and their models are easily lopo by today's standards.
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IMO RWBY Volume 5 looks pretty decent
https://youtu.be/tHg08RnpSqY?t=1m31s
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>>599192
Also checkout Daniel Kreuter
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>>599192
This looks like it's done by people who don't understand the medium they try to emulate.
Really jarring to the eye. Looks like a video game cutscene.
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>>599152
sometimes it works
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>>599202
Sadly it's actually an improvement over the previous seasons. The fag who made it basically stole everything. Then he died and nobody gave a fuck and continued to make his shitty chinese cartoon because money.
>>599202
>medium they try to emulate
This. If you want to get good looking 3D that emulates 2D, first you need to become a "master" at that style.
Don't try to bake bread, if you don't even know how to operate a toaster. So to speak.
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>>599204

Disgusting.
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Okay geniuses, we get it, you don't like when people try to do 2D in 3D because it looks off to you and any transgression to this opinion is haram in your book. You can go back to doing your guns and your swamp monsters now, no need to get so uppity about this.
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>>599230
Seems to me the opinions were mixed, are you sure you aren't the one uppity about this?
Personally it's hit and miss for me. I like some of the stuff that mimics the style, but a lot of it is uncanny valley as fuck.
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>>599209
not really lad...
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So far...
I think it looks kinda nice, but I don't think I got it right yet...
Random shader I found btw.
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>>599204
No.
>>599230
You are a real pleb if you settle for ugly, half-assed shit.
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So... Can I get those tips and thoughts on the model I asked for?
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>>599258

anything will look incomplete when it's missing eyelashes, eyebrows, eyes, hair, ears etc.

Looking good so far, shader definitely makes it look nicer

>>599275
go to sketchfab and look at other anime models for guidance
https://sketchfab.com/models/5d2f4e1c07bf4c61a6d49c3b10907b5b
https://sketchfab.com/models/17abec44a68a4fc6900a783eea655bd8

watch more anime and take note of how heads and faces change shape when animated

use a gosh darn reference

what more can you ask for as far as tips go? anime models are greatly defined by the features your WIP is missing (hair etc.) and texturing/shading plays a massive part in the final result
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>>599278
Thanks, you really helped with those Sketchfab models.
And I'm using a reference. Akari from YuruYuri.
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Most anime models I see on Sketchfab use only diffuse to mimic the effects of cell-shading.
It looks nice and it's easier, but it doesn't takes de ''fun'' and beauty out of it?
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All you naysayers haven't seen it done right yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdTZ0Sj2I_A
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>>599290
Hate to break it to ya, and to all for that matter. In order for anime style models to look ok, they need to change from angle to angle to accomadate for liberties taken in 2D animation. Anime isnt drawn perfectly, with geometry in mind. The reason the guilty gear shit looks nice is because they mimic the 2d art style and change models and shading in 3d, where 2D would too.
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anime is garbage, why does 4chan like it so much?
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>>599148
There is no differrence in anime/real topology, just variation in the shape

Learn how to do the basics and then use them to do animu :P
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>>599163
ARC System is doing pretty good imo my friend
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>>599330
Op here... This just creates even more questions...
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>>599318
What is the problem? That takes effort but I dont see why that should be a detriment. You want good shit, you work to get it. You could allways get the videogame level without much complication.

>>599332

Not really there is plenty of ifo about it, and its not that complicated once you try it a couple of times
<----
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>>599334
btw, to get more control over the shadows, dont change the shape. The shape should be good to the silouette, for more shading here an there, modify the normals, not the shape.
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>>599334
Considering the amount of work the regular /3/'er puts in, that' ll be too much work
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>>599290
Looks cheap compared to 2D cel animation. Next.
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>>599331
Your taste is low and shitty.
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>>599152
Black Rock Shooter was 3D, and it look really good
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0ok6ElsQsDI
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https://youtu.be/rbfM7w_1HaM
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>>599163
I agree

I thought we were finally getting somewhere with Arpeggio of Blue Steel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkKXLvRsm4c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4GuiZPyyc0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWp0Cyl9Uw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgpMsxC_fgU
I'm talking about the characters, not the ships.
It looks much better when they try to animate everything like the 2d, without tween animation and curves.

BUT that series is over 4 years old now, and every other series that used 3d for their characters was a step back (Berserk being a perfect example)

The only other series that was on the same level was probably Seikaisuru Kado
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jgN_YUdamM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwo5cIS-smg

and like you mentioned that is still not enough.

It lacks all the imperfections
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3d looks terrible when you try to "Mimic" 2d. Plus i find people use 3d to describe any computer generated effects, a great deal of animations rely on cg effects to streamline the workflow
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I think I got the main shape of the face done...
The back part of the head wont be a problem since the hair will cover it I guess.
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The problem is not the shape, its the lighting.
Anime tends to have flat tones all over, even the slightest shading makes it look odd.
Most 3d anime stuff looks terrible because it breaks the immersion, like a full-body, faced kigurumi.

So just pay attention to the lighting, I guess. Nailing the "anime aesthetic" is not as important since its supposed to be hand drawn so it obviously differs from one artist to another.
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>>599148
OP, your model doesn't look "anime" because it has too much mesh detail and not enough texture detail.
Look at some models that you like with the "anime" tag on Sketchfab and then inspect it in wireframe mode. You'll often see that the eyes are painted on to a round (convex) or flat surface with no inset (no concavity), or are even painted onto floating planes that float in front of the skull.
The nose is usually extremely (disgustingly) minimal. Lines are often painted onto the texture to create contrast or suggest the presence of features via hard shadows (bridge of the nose, elbow, knees, creases in the skin at arm and leg joints).

Lighting is also a big deal, you can't rely on a single lighting source or method. The goal is to recreate the errors made by 2D artists, and that means characters are lit in a general way that varies little between indoor or outdoor other than their shadows. If you want smooth / even shading you're going to have to manually adjust the normals per frame, any time you get lazy about this you'll have irregularly shaped shading that immediately stands out (even if someone can't say why it looks wrong, they know it looks wrong).
Watch this video for theory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhGjCzxJV3E

Watch these videos for tutorials:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9NTBQja_r2NI5e56PvuSAA
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>>599477
This right here sempai. Notice how at 1:32 most of the colors remain flat with only slight shading. It's almost like color field painting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB4Ot_FxINY
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>>599163
You can use any 3D modelling package to model in 2D as well. You must be incredibly retarded or lying for not knowing this after "doing R&D on cel-shading, 2D/3D compositing and stylized modeling & rendering for almost 18 years, witnessing several hardware/software revolutions and technological paradigms".
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>>599163
Houseki no Kuni looked great.
Most stuff Sanzigen and Kamikaze Douga do also look good.
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>>599664
Sorry, anon. You lost. Good day. :)
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Am I doing this right?
I never tried anime hairstyle before...
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>>599973
I think the person meant that you can use 3d programs similar to how a person would use flash or toonboom and make a 2d animation like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cI--TlWiIQ
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I guess you guys must cringe everytime you see Yotsuba on the pinned thread.
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>>600439
for modeling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwUmjbhzm1M

i'd recommend sculpting hair desu since it's much easier, but it's your call.
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>>600439
Try bezier curves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn7mISvVzJk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_Zj2H0UEes
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I've done the details...
But hair.. I just can't do anime hair... HOW IS IT DONE?
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You need to relay more on textures.

Take it from me, textures are the most important part of modelling otherwise 2D characters. The eyes are painted, not modelled. Most of the face is just a flat plane.
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>>600617
OP here, I thought about it, but if I wanted to change facial expression and stuff wouldn't be possible.
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>>600626
I think the person is referring to this kind of texture where there are multiple different kinds of eyes on one sheet and you animate the texture up or down depending on the expression. (Though personally I prefer modelled eyes over painted, it's just a preference.)
https://youtu.be/ph04XXLamVQ?t=6m14s
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>>599209
You deserve rape
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>>600646
All the greenglowlyshit is ugly, but it doesn't look bad as far as mimicking 2D goes.
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>>600612
reduce the background's saturation and value a notch. You'll make our asses blind.
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https://blog.sketchfab.com/art-spotlight-kumiko-hibike-euphonium/
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>>599148
Try editing the model normals to give it the shading you want. The shading looks bad currently, but you need to edit them to give your model 2d-esque shading.
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>>600657
green glowy shit is because she's supposed to be a humanoid gemstone
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>>599192
don't know why people dick ride rwby
it looks like shit

I skipped the first 3 seasons because it looked like shit and watched some parts of the newer ones but the story is fucking boring and written by an amateur.

I seriously hope that the creators don't think of them as professionals because... wew lad
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>>601072
We couldn't protect Phos's smile.
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>>599327
The entire site is based off Japanese forums used for discussing anime.. It's kind of part of it all :p
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>>599152
gantz had basic models and backgrounds made in
3d and drawn over in 2d




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