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This is the face of an extremely broken man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2mkfpMXJhc
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>>162207289
I love that man very much
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>>162207289
It's ok Miu will fix him with her vagoo
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>>162207289
BD when?
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>>162207289
>parents die
>adoptive father dies
>your best friend is actually an ancient sorcerer mastermind
>your other (sort-of) best friend is secretly (you kind of saw it coming) evil and a ninja zombie
>your would-be girlfriend is killed and turned into a knight zombie
>your house is wrecked
>you have to spend an entire knight fighting a squad of elite warrior zombies
>it gets so dangerous that you have to send your adoptive sister to an entirely different dimension to keep her safe
>you're only saved from being gang-murdered by your adoptive father's archenemy because he thought you sacrificing all your ideals and dooming the world just to save your sister HILARIOUS

At least he didn't become a black guy
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>>162209545
>Becomes black
>Switches his bow for some guns
What are they trying to say with this?
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>>162209607
To be fair, Redman himself bemoaned the fact that he hand't thought of it first and now if he does incorporate it into his skillset he'll look like a putz.
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>>162209607
Deep social commentary
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>>162207289
SHIROU NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>162209545
At least he's a hero, even for one person.
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>>162209545

Which emiya is that in the middle? I only recognise Pucci and AH-CHAH
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>>162209988
Kiritsugu.
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>>162207289
Best boy
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>>162209988
Kerry. He's only hypothetical though. He will never appear outside of the Zero event in FGO.
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>>162209988
AU Kerry who went full Counter Guardian (never marrying Iri or having Illya) and was "rewarded" for his pragmatism and coldness with being stuck in the Assassin Class.
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Hey guys, I'm not up to date in fate (never played GO), can someone explain to me why all assassins are not Hassan?
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>>162210824
Because the King's Orders are absolute.

Also, they kind of blew their load with 100-Face so they're out of Hassan designs; the two in FSF are just a shadow in a mask and Wednesday Addams in a hijab
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>>162207289
Is there anything stronger than a man who fights for his imouto?
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>>162210892
But if I remember corectly, every "true" assassin must be from the Hassan family, are the other assassins false?
>Because the King's Orders are absolute.
What did you mean by that?
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>>162209607
Guns are cool shit, yo.
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>>162210824
The Hassan-only rule only applies to the Fuyuki war.
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>>162207289
Camrips never.
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>>162211315
Ok, but why only Fuyuki?
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>>162207289
>He had to stop himself from crying because he didn't know how to feel
My fucking heart.
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>>162211426
Don't think too hard about it.
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>>162211426
The grail has autism.
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>>162211457
>>162211471
Wow, Nasu is a hack.
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>>162207289
>the way Shirou's eyes become more and more lifeless from a bright-eyed child to his final moment with Miyu

;_;
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>>162207289
>That second half

God, I hope pic related is as perfect as it looks there.
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Why does Shirou always have to go through so much pain and suffering no matter the timeline? Even fluffy Shirou gets bullied by everyone even by the maids
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>>162211614
Angra Mainyu is a fucking softie
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>>162211642

Fate route shirou didn't really suffer much
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>>162211774
His parents still died in the fire. It's still suffering.
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>>162207289
I can only imagine all of the emotions that hit him at that moment. It even shows here that he doesn't know how to feel.
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>>162211774
He got cut in half like 2 or 3 times. He especially suffered in that route what the fuck are you talking about?
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Well, nips were right. The movie looks fantastic.
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>>162211982

Getting stabbed by Lancer and clubbed by Berserker while having Avalon healing hax is nothing compared to the eternity of suffering he went through in UBW, or literally contracting sword AIDS in heavens feel.
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>>162210824
Outside of FateGO it's always Hassan. Doesn't mean they all have to look the same though.

FateGO's summoning system functions completely different than the traditional system in the other works. In FateGO the servant has to accept your call and they can decline it if they choose to (IE: not rolling a specific servant means they don't find you worthy). And it can summon what-if servants(Kerry/Iri), gods(Ishtar/Artemis), demi-servants(Waver), those not dead(Scathach/Merlin) and everything in between as its not restricted to pulling exclusively from the throne of heroes.

The Mini-event for Sherlock Holmes release gave a pretty good info about how the Chaldea system works.
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>>162211041
Cultural Reference.
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>>162212076
He also was cut and thrown from the third floor by Medusa, arms broken during forest fight, Gilgamesh almost cut him in half again, and he got splashed by all the world's evils. Plus he had to live his life without a waifu.
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>>162212076
Avalon doesn't stop pain dude. He also got blasted apart by Ea.
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>>162211774
Having to be in that shite route is suffering enough
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>>162212179
This sounds really bad...
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>>162212179
What about in Fate EXTRA and Fate/Apocrypha?
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>>162212347
IIRC the dude who originally summoned Jack specifically used hookers as a catalyst to summon him(her) and Extra is based off the Mooncell so its not bound by ITS ALWAYS HASSAN HASSAN HASSAN rule.

>>162212314
If it makes you feel any better its a system that is only possible within Chaldea. Whole thing is basically super quantum science magic dedicated solely to summoning shit.
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>>162212179
You can't summon those who aren't dead. Scat got killed by Goetia's shit, and Merlin isn't even summoned, he's merely pretending.
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Why is every Hassan aside from King Hassan so shit? Even Zealot who has a billion Zabaniyas is shit tier in Strange/fake
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>>162212076
>eternity of suffering he went through in UBW
UBW Shirou doesn't become a CG, none of the Shirous from the 3 routes do.
The timeline Emiya is from is most similar to Fate, with the main difference being his inability to save Saber.
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>>162212500
Because they are assassins. They are not supposed to be fighting servants at all.
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>>162212500
They're meant to just kill a target and be done, not have prolonged fights. Hassans are really about match ups. Cursed Arm in HF was actually a good match up against Saber specifically which is why he fared so well.

King Hassan is the exception as he fought head-to-head against other assassins in life. Plus he had Mystic Eyes very similar to Eye of Death Perception except instead of tracing lines he can cut something's "Fate" which generally results in their death but also is able to strip a status such as "cannot be killed" thus making beings like Arcueid, for example, killable. His presence concealment is also weird in that it works as long as he is not going for an attack, but the moment he decides to attack he is revealed.
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>>162212562
I think it was mention somewhere that the children in the basement was the event that either lead to Saber giving up on the grail and saving her heart or them persisting to chase the grail which would end up with Shirou becoming EMIYA
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>>162211282
I can imagine this actually happening considering he wanted to look """cool""" in CCC
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>>162212787
>King Hassan is the exception as he fought head-to-head against other assassins in life. Plus he had Mystic Eyes very similar to Eye of Death Perception except instead of tracing lines he can cut something's "Fate" which generally results in their death but also is able to strip a status such as "cannot be killed" thus making beings like Arcueid, for example, killable. His presence concealment is also weird in that it works as long as he is not going for an attack, but the moment he decides to attack he is revealed.
Yikes.

Man, I enjoy Nasuverse, but sometimes, having the time to step back and re-read that thing just puts into perspective how much I forget how Chuuni this all really is.
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>>162212878
King Hassan killed a verbal contract. He literally can kill anything.
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>>162212878
The OOC events and interludes are the best part of it in my opinion. The fact that its so chunni normally makes those times exceptionally fun to read. Like Medb training to resist cheese in the summer event.

I really wish they would do a new Carnival Phantasm season with FateGO stuff
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>>162207289
I WANT TO MARRY SHIROU AND MAKE HIM THE HAPPIEST PERSON IN THE WORLD
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>>162211426
It was designed by specific people, who only wanted Hassans as Assassins. If they wanted, the could've made it open invitation.
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>>162212982
Illya please
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>>162212955
>An episode where all the Hassans just hang out together trying to introduce the old man of the mountain to the modern world
>Proto Arthur meeting Gilgamesh and Saber
>An Awkward moment when all the Emiyas meet including Irisviel, Kuro, and Illya
>Gudako being Gudako
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>>162213004
>It was designed by specific people, who only wanted Hassans as Assassins.

No, it wasn't. Get this headcanon shit out of here. It's almost always Hassan because getting a catalyst of an assassin is hard to come by as any assassin worthy of being in the throne very likely wasn't even known to exist in the first place. That's why it defaults to Hassan because the Hashshashin were a well-known group of Assassins despite their individual identities not being known.
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>>162212787
Making the unkillable killable isn't one of his normal abilities, he had to sacrifice his Grand Servant container for that.
>>162212838
He still does. From the CCC event:
>EMIYA: Damn it, know some shame, for goodness’ sake! Using twin pistols, that’s so—
>That’s obviously cool no matter who uses them…! Damn it, I wanted to use them too!
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>>162212955
>Like Medb training to resist cheese in the summer event.

Is that supposed to be lewd? It sounds exceptionally lewd.
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>>162211282
From my understanding Redman is as bitter and jaded as you can get, but Lostman seems to have one upped him in that. How is that possible?
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>>162211614
Fuck that hurts.
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>>162213695
Yeah, that page makes my dick hurt too.
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>>162213432
Getting hit with cheese is what killed her in her legend. Ergo cheese is her ultimate weakness in FateGO and you try to kill her with it so she starts to train herself against cheese.
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>>162213865
Shit wrong picture.
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>>162213904
>tfw Shirou likes Angelica
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>>162211774
>The only one to spend his life without his waifu
True suffering.
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>>162211774
He nearly died in Fate multiple times since it's the route he relied on Avalon the most
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>>162214018
>tfw Miyu will never get the onii-dick
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>>162213865
I want Limited/Zero Over and Imaginary Around to be actual servants.
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>>162211774
>Fate Shirou didn't really suffer-
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>>162212440
Neither assassins in Apoc are Hassan though
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>>162213063
><Gudako being Gudako
So a bland self insert?
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>>162212955
the meta humor is utter shit and a good part of japanese internet agrees.
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>>162214175
For (you)
>>162180290
>>162180325
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>>162212878
To be fair King Hassan was originally a Grand Assassin
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>>162214381
Quick Someone make one for Limited Zero Over-kun
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>>162213904
>We're at each others throats and both were ready to kill each other not too long ago
>Now Shirou's basic instinct kicks in and he wants to fuck her
An Eroge protagonist can never escape his Fate
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>>162213074
Fucking Secondary Einzbern, Matou, and Tohsaka rigged the HGW in their favour otherwise why do other grail wars outside of fuyuki have access to other Assassins? Not to mention quite a few Servants are shown to have the potential to be summoned as an Assassin as well
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>>162214509
>>162214018
Angelica has both twintails and blond hair. Luvia and Rin are now completely irrelevant.
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>>162214355
Nips dont have good taste ever anon
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>>162214302
They were summoned with catalysts. If you have a catalyst, the rule doesn't apply. Hassan is just the default for when you don't have one because they're order was well-known for being a group of assassins.
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>>162214531
>otherwise why do other grail wars outside of fuyuki have access to other Assassins
Because they use catalyst for someone specific that can fit into the Assassin class. This has been explained by multiple people already.

The original system that the Einzbern, Matou and Tohsaka created was purely to:
>summon heroic spirit
>make them commit suicide via command spells
>use their deaths to fuel the grail
>get wish
It was the Einzberns who fucked it all up and niggers not wanting to share knowledge that the grail got fucked the way it was because faggots tried to summon the literal fucking devil.
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>>162214381
>Sakura "Emiya" Matou
Everyone knows Tohsaka os the true waifu.
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>>162214775
Isn't Imaginary Around!Sakura one after HF? So this is technically partially correct.
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>>162214939
That Sakura is, I don't know if Imaginary Around!Sakura is actually after HF. I know Limited/Zero-Over!Shirou is.
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>>162214775
>misspellings
>evans gif, imgur filename
>using the word waifu like that
What a fucking embarrassment.
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>>162214175
Sakura gacha in a month unless they go full retard and do a stupid Fuyuki rate up for the 4th or something
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>>162215045
This was obviously a falseflag by a wormfag.
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>>162213433
Basically, he went after this one chick who started a cult. The people in that cult adored her, but the majority of them "loved her so much that they all ended up committing suicide". She was hailed as both a savior, and as a murderer. Though she herself didn't lift a finger to harm anyone, it's a fact that the majority of those associated with her ended up either killing themselves, or became zealous devotees.

In one timeline, Emiya pursued her, but ended up killing many of her followers in the process. These people had technically not done anything wrong, and moreover, since they were devoted followers of a cult that ultimately wanted to "bring salvation to the world", regardless of how twisted that salvation is, those he killed became martyrs. After slaughtering so many martyrs, his soul became stained with "evil", to the point of even twisting his origin.

This is an Emiya who lost everything. His ideals, his memories, even his own sense of self. Possessing a derisive mind of steel, he will slaughter anyone, regardless of the number, in order to achieve his mission.
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>>162215158
She can also appear in the Christmas event like Rin, or in the Indian order teased for Part 2.
At least we're getting the Shirou gacha in a week or two.
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SUBS
WHEN
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>>162214509
no one escapes the fate of the jackhammer
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>>162212213
I want No Name Assassin in FGO already, she deserves to join the Hassan family!
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Did they reveal Tanaka's identity in the movie?
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>>162214487
Gatcha senpai
>>162215208
>>162215415
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>>162215248
Adding to that, the chick in question is Sessouin Kiara, a woman so incredibly slutty that she wants to stuff the entire solar system in her cooch...and has come very close to accomplishing it on at least two occasions. She is the turboslut to end all turbosluts.
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>>162215667
Most of SF servants are on embargo until Narita releases their full abilities so we don't get another Enkidu again
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>>162215667
Dad has no interest in adopting a zealot.
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>>162215747
can kiara defeat velber?
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>>162215931
She was a true demon and a beast yes she can
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>>162215953
i mean THE velber, not it's cells.
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Why can't Ryougi #0 just make all the Beasts disappear?

It's a good thing Manaka's not here or this whole thing really would become a bloodbatah.
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>>162215971
True Demons are galactic level threats, so yes. Though Kiara only became something akin to one, she didn't have the actual power.
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>>162216013
Don't worry, Arhur will just stab her again
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>>162216121
kinda like a pupa or something, but in CCC she was sinking fast into the earth's core and could fuse with it and everyone would be fucked in all sense of the word.
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>>162216013
Don't think too hard about Void, Nasu claims she's weaker than a Servant despite everything we've been told about her. I doubt she'd care enough to do it even if she can, though.
Also, Manaka is one half of Beast VI herself.
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>>162216013
Manaka is going to appear along with 666 at some time in the future, they're the right and left half of Beast VI.
I wonder who is the left part of Beast III, should be related to fate/extra
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>>162216013
She lacks the firepower to beat a Beast, Tiamat required a lot of planning to be defeated, Kiara they had to cheat, Goetia was defeated by Roman erasing himself making him mortal, and Fou was defeated by love
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>>162216228
Just alter reality. I don't think the Counter Force would complain.
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>>162216218
Twice would be beast L and he could've been that saved Kiara and so we can get the other Sakuraclones helping us beat him along with Buddha
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>>162216286
That or Achimedes+Velber.
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Can't we just bum-rush the Beasts with five dozen Neco-Arcs or something? Ah, wait, no, they all got defeated by Riesbyfe. How the mighty have fallen.
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Why the fuck did they ruin Prisma Illya?
I want fluffy Shero back and the focus back on Illya and Kuro
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>>162213865
Am I the only one disturbed by the fact that this Shirou isn't using Kanshou and Bakuya?
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>>162216710
I think Takeuchi wanted to give Shirou a really "Japanese" feel.
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>>162216228
>tiamat
>stall her by frying the mud so she cant move
>throw her into the underworld so she's the last being alive there
>fuck her up with merlin flower magic™ with the mud that became regular mud
>make cut her wings and make her killable
>bet her up and finish her up with Ea

>Goetia
>be solomon
>unexist yourself so hard goetia loses everything he's done.

>Heaven's hole
>hack into the system and nerf her with a shitton of viruses and have a bunch of servants + alteregos beat her up
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>>162216710
HF Sheerooo didn't use Kanshou and Byakuya did he?
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>>162217045
IIRC, he used it against Saber Alter.
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>>162217045
In a certain dead end he did.
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>>162215696
Everyone and their mom knows it's a knight liner by this point.
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>>162215004
>. I know Limited/Zero-Over!Shirou is.

There is no specifics regarding what route he comes from. His description is literally: Shirou's APEX as a magus. That's achievable in any route
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>>162217196
But that's her species, who is she specifically?
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>>162211426
>>162211315

There is no "Hassan-only" rule, since the name of the Assassin Class is a derivative of the name Hassan, the name itself is a catalyst and people will always summon Hassan if they don't have any specific catalyst.
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>>162217045
HF Shirou used no Katana either.
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>>162217251
It makes the most sense and I was sure that it was stated somewhere.
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>>162211614
Wait so Miyu is from a different dimension?
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>>162217490
anime only I'm guessing?
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>>162215248
>Most evil Emiya is also the blackest one
hmmmm
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>>162217452
No it doesn't. If anything HF Shirou will turn out weaker than Fate Shirou and UBW Shirou in the long run because he'll lead a peaceful life with Sakura instead of acting as a hero of justice.

And the only thing said regarding LZO, Formalcraft and Imaginary Around is that they are Shirou, Sakura and Rin's ultimate forms as magus. Nothing about any route is specified.
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>>162217430
No, in Fuyuki, only Hassans can be summoned because of the paradox of a "famous assassin". To compromise, the origin of the word "assassin" was the next best thing.
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Shirou loves Sakura so much
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>>162217528
Yes I actually only watched first season though
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>>162207289
Shirou had a hard life.
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>>162217570
Shirou loves Miyu so much
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>>162217871
Shirou loves Swords so much
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>Fate: Continues chasing after his ideals. Because he managed to save "her", it seems that a certain heavy burden was never placed on his shoulders. Never makes some shady deal with the planet. Steeling his heart, he never stopped walking, and never even thought to stop. Until the very end, he was always searching for "something". Eventually, he would reach those golden fields...
>Unlimited Blade Works: Continues chasing after his ideals. Never makes some shady deal with the planet. Because there is someone waiting for him back home, holding unwavering faith in him, perhaps his burden isn't as heavy for him.
>Heaven's Feel: Abandons his ideals. Rather than trying to become a "superhero who wants to save everyone", he is now a "superhero who lives to protect the one he loves". To that end, he sacrificed many things. He will likely never leave Fuyuki, and while the core of his character is still the same, perhaps he has found another form of happiness.
>Archer: Eternal janitorial duty. No pay.
>Prisma (Miyu): His world is fucked. He'll probably send Miyu back to Illya's world, but who knows how things will work out for him. In any case, his world is fucked.
>Alter: We wuz Guardians 'n shit.
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>>162217430
What was the kojiro catalyst?
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>>162217971
It still boggles my mind which timeline redman is from.
Alter Fate where he fails to save Saber > Becomes redman > UBW
But if that's right, which servant did Rin have in that hypothetical alter Fate? If it was redman then when did he come from? This is a chicken/eggg situation.
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>>162218244
The throne of heroes is outside of time and space so Redman was always there. The route where Shirou became him was probably some sort of route where they had minimal contact
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>>162217971
You forgot EXTRA Archer, who lived a pretty good life all things considered and represents all the nameless, unsung heroes of the world.
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>>162218432
He lived the same life as F/SN Archer, except he made a contract with the Moon Cell rather than the world.
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>>162217971
>Prisma (Miyu)
Prisma (Illya) won the lottery. He's a stereotypical harem MC without even having to be an MC and get into conflicts.
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>>162217931
Shirou loves me so much
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>>162218527
As a result, though, he's boring and not really worth following.
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>>162218509
>>162218432
Mumei doesn't regret being a CG in the same way EMIYA does though.
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>>162218244
>But if that's right, which servant did Rin have in that hypothetical alter Fate?
Nasu avoids answering that question. Don't think too hard about it.
>>162218138
The Ryuudou Temple.
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>>162207289
feels
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>>162218531
t. Saber
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>>162218576
What if it's all just an act?
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>>162218645
Mumei isn't a Counter Guardian. He doesn't have to slaughter people for eternity. For the most part, his only real job is to protect the Moon Cell, while occasionally participating in Grail Wars as a Servant.
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>>162218685
Shirou/Saber is the worst ship though. Emiya/Saber is way better.
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>>162217971
Heaven's Feel a shit, muh hero of justice Shirou would never abandon his ideals for some worn whore
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>>162218756
No
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>>162218776
What if shirou had summoned umu or MIKOOOO~n
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>>162217570
>>162217871
>>162217931
>>162218531
But who loves Shirou the most?
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>>162218828
>What if shirou had summoned
No Avalon gg.
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>>162218829
Rin
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>>162218829
Me.
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>>162218854
I bet richard would have blasted lancer with lots of excaliblasts
;-;
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>>162218829
Illya Prisma
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>>162218829
SABER
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>>162218829
Swords.
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>>162218829
Gudako
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>>162218645
He also doesn't have his past self around to angst over

EMIYA ends up acting exactly like Shirou when placed in more relaxing situations
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>>162218829
MIYU DUH
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>>162218970
i like to think mumei's the best archer overall.
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>>162218829
Saber > Illya > Sakura > Rin
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>>162218829
Definitely Sakura.
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>>162219043
>mumei's the best archer overall
You need to rephrase that
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>>162210312
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>>162218829
Issei
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>>162219287
FSN and F/Z Gil is worthless. CCC and Proto Gil are all better.
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>>162214185
He has some near misses.
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>>162218829
My butt.
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>>162219290
Wrong pic
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>>162219287
Okay. All things considered, mumei is the best EMIYA archer.
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>>162218829
Best girl, duh!
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I never get tired of the FGO defense squad getting destroyed. Good thread /a/
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>>162219043
>>162219287
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>>162219508

>>17611878
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>>162219415
Ko Gil is best Gil.
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>>162219430
Rin pls
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>>162219547
I corrected myself, mumei's the best EMIYA archer that he can be.
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>>162219547
Gilgamesh would probably destroy him if he got a tiny bit serious. What kind of idiot would actually WANT Gil to use Ea?
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>>162219579
Actually it was me.
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>>162219613
>tfw kirei could be fixed if he had eaten mapo tofu
>ends up managing a mapo tofu restaurant in the miyuverse
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If the heroines could choose the flavour of Shirou they'd have, which girl would pick Fate Shirou?
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>>162207289
Unironically my favorite Shirou
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>>162219642
Saber. What are you talking about?
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>>162219642
It is because of Illya that Shirou's hair turns white?
Is that what happens when you fuck Illya?
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>>162219642
Saber and there's also enough Saber variants for everyone who wants her
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>>162218829
Taiga, Sakura and Illya.

Rin is a slut and Saber only cares for muh grail and muh food
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>>162217673
How would Shirou handle the Far Side routes of Tsukihime?
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Why is Shirou best oni-chan?
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>>162219642
is this supposed to be illya?
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>>162219709
Yes. Fucking a loli will immediately turn you into an old man.
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>>162216710
We wuz samurai
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>>162219642
How does Shirou's VA keep his character straight across the different stories?
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>>162219604
He wanted to steal it.
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>>162219547
is he in fate gran order
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>>162219642
Seibah would go for Fate Shirou.
Rin would be fine with either EMIYA or UBW Shirou.
Sakura would go for whichever Shirou wants her.
Illya goes for EMIYA.
Taiga would probably have EMIYA.
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>>162218693
Of course it is. It's the Illya route so eventually Fluffy Shirou will do something. Maybe.

>tfw even the mangaka's assistant NTRed him with Miyuverse Shirou
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>>162219819
I knew it!
This explains the huge amount of loli x old man doujin.
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>>162218756
No
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>>162219908
That's meaningless. He wouldn't be able to use it even with his ability. And disarming a Servant isn't that easy, even for other Servants.
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>>162219794
With suicide.
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>>162219814
Wait, what exactly is the relationship between redman and Illya? Is it that thing about having too much Illya points in Saber's route or is there something else I don't know about?
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>>162218756
Shirou really does have awful chemistry with Saber, Nasu really shit the bed. They also just look ugly together.
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>>162220013
>thing about having too much Illya points in Saber's route
This
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>>162219901
Well Archer has a separate VA
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>>162219928
>Sakura would go for whichever Shirou wants her.
Slut.
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>>162220013
He obviously bonded with her after the war was over since she survived his war.
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>>162207289
>Skaura protect him with her life
>his UBW become her literally scene of death
how much did his heart broke that night?
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>>162220036
>They also just look ugly together
Now hold the fucking phone! They may not have good chemistry, but them's adorable together and there's no denying that!
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>>162220117
Isn't Sakura also there?
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>>162219642
>implying that not all of them would want HF Shirou

Even i want him. pic related was the moment i fell in love


i'm not even gay
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>>162219642
A reminder that all of them are terrible Onii-chans apart from Miyuverse!Shirou.
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>>162220036
Nah
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>>162220036
>They also just look ugly together.
Nice to see I'm not the only one feeling this way.
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>>162220277
Who?
>>162220333
HF Shirou would conflict with Saber's ideals too much. Rin fell in love with the way Shirou was in UBW, in HF, Sakura's too much on his mind.
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>>162207289
>This is the face of an extremely shitty character
FTFY
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>>162220434
Most attractive canon VN pairing. Bar none (Except for maybe Archer x Rin)
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Subs when?
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>>162220533
Need the movie out first. Unless you're just talking about song lyrics
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>>162220036
The one he looks ugly together with is Sakura, ugh. I couldn't stomach HF because of her senpai gimmick and that horrible voice.

Miyuverse Shirou is HF Shirou done right.
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>>162220600
Shit taste.
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>>162220277
Archer doesn't even cares that much about Sakura. Goes to show she was never really important for the Redman
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>>162220738
Sakura is an ugly character, it's to be expected that any pairing with her will be ugly as fuck.
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>>162220829
Saber is the ugly one though. I've never understood why people find her attractive.
Illya is the most beautiful one anyway, even Shirou agrees.
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>>162220829
Your shit taste is showing, Saberfag.


>>162220759
He didn't actually know about Sakura. he's shocked as Shirou in HF.
Which is also why is very ok with helping him there with the Arm.
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>>162220888
>Illya is the most beautiful one anyway, even Shirou agrees.
"MUH NIGGA" readings are off the charts!!
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Let me tell you about the Saber Route.

GARDEN OF AVALON!
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Everyone should just go and pat EMIYA.
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>>162220829
>>162220888
They're all attractive in their own ways. Yes some are better than others but it's not worth throwing all of the other girls under the bus. Taiga is best girl anyway.
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>>162220434
>TFW no Saber Alter route
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>>162221279
What would a Saber Alter route be like? Shirou just keeps feeding her junk food?
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>>162220946
>Helping
Knowing Archer, he was hoping for Shirou to help AND then die eventually
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>>162221310
Wild food sex
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>>162220946
He really isn't lying though, throughout the whole VN, Redman has interactions with Rin, Saber, even Illya but he never really cares or talks to Sakura.
he has good taste
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>>162221279
>No Caster Route
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>>162221389
>>162221279
They're all assimilated into Shirou's Harem anyway.
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>>162220888
>Saber
>ugly
Ah, so you're blind.
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>>162221423
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What even happened to Kiritsugi during that arc? Did he run off or die offscreen?
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>>162221454

>tfw no lancer bf
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>>162221310
Like Fate/Stay Away
https://m.fanfiction.net/s/7606047/1/Fate-stay-away
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>end of Strange Fake vol.4
Volume 5 fucking when?
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>>162221384
Based Redman knows that approaching worms is bad for your health
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>>162221428
They're just a salty Rinfag.
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>>162221324
>Fate
Shirou: I want to save everyone!
End

>UBW
Shirou: I want to save everyone!
Archer: That is both a logical contradiction and a denial of the self.
Shirou: But the ideal encompasses an aesthetic that makes the endless journey worth it. Why can't I selfishly pursue selflessness?
Archer: ...Fuck.
Gilgamesh: MONGRELS! THOSE SWORDS ARE FUCKING PATENTED!
End

>HF
Shirou: I want to save everyone!
Archer: That is both a logical contradiction and a denial of the self. If you do not realize this, you get no Sakura sex.
Shirou: You're right. I'm a moral relativist. God is dead.
Archer: That's the spirit. Here's a present before I go away. Don't mind it if it starts to kill you.
Kotomine: But I'm still evil somehow, right?
Shirou: Right.
End
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>>162221310
>Through some error, the Saber that Shirou ends up summoning is the altered version
>A cold, ruthless tyrant, she will do whatever it takes to win the war, and constantly berates Shirou for her weakness
>Also, she's a junk food princess whose taste completely clashes with Shirou's repertoire
>Shirou doesn't know how to deal with her at first, but he begins to see through the cracks and takes notice of the honorable King of Knights buried deep in side
>The most difficult route, requiring the highest amount of affection points to survive. Being off by even one will end in a Dead End. Can Shirou appeal to the Tyrant of Knights enough to avoid death, win the Grain War and get some of that sweet gothloli booty?
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REMINDER THAT SAKURA IS SHIROU'S TRUE LOVE
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>>162221683
Shut the fuck up Sakura stop shitposting
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What should be the next ufateable after/besides the HF movies? I have no problem with F/HA because I want to to see its best girl animated daily reminder that Bazett a shit but I really want F/GO redeemed by a decent anime.
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>>162220738
I prefer this one
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>>162220738
>>162221887
Fate = Saber is the alpha
UBW = Equals
HF = Shirou is the alpha
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>>162221624
>Fate is the first route
>Has a scene where Shirou refuses to save the orphans that Kotomine fucked up
>"hurr durr he wants to save everyone"
People still manage to miss the point of it more than HF and UBW.

Amazing
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>>162221968
>Protecting your woman from the strongest asshole on Earth after having half of your organs blown out isn't considered alpha now
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>>162212464
>and Merlin isn't even summoned, he's merely pretending.
So is Merlin stronger than Zelretch or can Zelretch fuck him up?
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>>162221428
I've just never found her attractive, at all. I thought she was ugly even when I was a Saberfag.
Maybe she just feels too vanilla to me.
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>>162222103
>implying that protecting your woman from herself, all the evil in the world, an old worm and a priest while your body breaking down isn't even more alpha
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>>162222139
Merlin and Solomon are the strongest magi, period. Zelretch is baby tier compared to them.
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>>162221871
FGO wouldn't work as anime unless it has a bazillion episodes. Give me HA, SF or Case Files
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>>162221871
>redeeming gacha mobile shit
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>>162222255

Eh, I can see each episode of F/GO working as a movie, but that means we'd get 1 ever 2-3 years.
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>>162222255
FGO gag anime
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>>162222386
FGO gave us Jeanne Alter, so it is by definition good
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>>162222413
Camelot and Babylon would be rushed as fuck as movies.
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>>162222255
>FGO wouldn't work as anime
Are you trying to tell me that Nasu can't pull a couple of allnighters and work out a script for a 2-cour anime in the GOverse?

>Case Files
That would lose so much money, it may bankrupt TM.
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>>162222620
>That would lose so much money, it may bankrupt TM.

Why though. The LNs sell fairly well.
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>>162222620
It wouldn't. No Servants, no Emiya, no Gilgamesh, no Altria, no Umu, no fox, not even an Arcueid.
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>>162222218
All of those are weaker than Gil desu
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>>162222620
FGO anime would be 100% just MyRoom hijinks
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>>162220759
>>162221384
>>162221567
>ignores Sakura
>ends up suffering for eternity
Really makes you think.
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>>162222386
>I hate what practically is a waifu catalog
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>>162222161
You probably just lack taste.
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Just make an anime about the fgo comic with the crazy Gudako.
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>>162222552
I rather have a Babylon stage play like they did with the Camelot.
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>>162222870
That drawing is ugly like Sakura, it fits her.
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>>162215667
>Manages to master 18 Zabaniya's.
>Is still a retard.
There's a reason Zealot didn't get the job.
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>>162222912
Nice try, but my taste is the best in the world.
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>>162222723
>>162222734
Anime need mass appeal to make money. Can you imagine anyone other than hardcore nasufags caring about something like that? Hell, I've seen Fate newfags bitching about UBW because it was "too much work" to research the franchise.
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>>162222432
>FGO gag anime

>>162222853
>FGO anime would be 100% just MyRoom hijinks

This sounds like it would be perfect skits for the next season of Carnival Phantasm
No new season ever ;_;
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>>162210892
>Cursed Arm is actually very polite when not serving a complete villain.
Best hassan and best boy.
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>>162213433
He tries to let his master die like twice in one event, and tries to kill him directly the third time. Just because "There can't be any survivors, anyone who knows about this experiment must die".

Basically Shirou's heart and ideals died, all that's left is a killer. He'll sacrifice anything in the way in order to kill his current target, friends family etc. He feels like crying a bit when he almost remembers his dream for a moment, but he can't quite remember it. His myroom lines are all about how he's gradually forgetting everyone he ever knew, and everything he ever felt, all his ideals are disappearing, and he's glad for it. He's breaking down entirely and he wants it.

CCC event he has a thematic moment where he becomes a lump of iron metaphorically to drag Kiara down to the depths of the ocean for the second or third time in his life. He keeps having to kill this one women. Ends up killing himself in the process.

CCC event he also has a moment where he loses his class, memories, etc; ascends to his third ascension model and is called "Lostman" for the duration of the fight. Everyone claims he's just a corpse at that point. You have to put him out of his misery at that point. He comes back to life when Kiara starts shit talking the people who put him to death for some reason.

>>162212838
>>162211282
In CCC Archer goes on about how guns are great a lot, he developed an interest for them later in life. He has long conversations about them and lines his wall with them.
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>>162211426
Because the three families set up the rules for Fuyuki War.

Hassan only rule isn't innate to all grail wars, its just something the three families came up with.

Basically Grail wars ritual is created a lot in different places, and its up to the people who set up the ritual to figure out the guidelines for the war. Some rules are innate to each grail war, and some aren't.
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My favorite Fate character is the Egg.
You know what I mean.
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>>162222734
>No Servants, no Emiya, no Gilgamesh, no Altria, no Umu, no fox, not even an Arcueid
But what if we put them in?
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>>162223095
>Has a body of swords
>Is a scabbard
>Is fascinated by swords
>His specialty is archery
>The steps to his Gradation Air take cues from the steps of Japanese archery

>Guns

I don't understand Redman.
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>>162222905
>Having to pay a quadrillion dollars if you want your waifu in the catalogue

Also the game itself is garbage. I rather just go around collecting pictures of her.
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>>162212179
>Outside of FGO its always Hassan
>"What about Fate Extra, Apocrypha, FSF, F/GG"
>No but, no. Its just FGO that breaks this ironclad rule.

Just admit its a Fuyuki War only rule at this point. As soon as they introduced other grail war systems they got rid of this rule because its horribly limiting.
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>>162223351
I'm F2P and I have almost every 5 star and every 4 star
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>>162223348
Guns are cooler.
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>>162223348
He's got a chuuni side deep down, that he likes to pretend isn't there.

Plus he learned to appreciate guns later on in life because he was basically an assassin in his later years. Guns are very effective and let him keep his magecraft hidden.
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>>162223390
Same ever since I started doing single rolls I got almost every limited 5*
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>>162223390
You're either lying or should go buy some lottery tickets as you have some godtier luck.
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>>162223390
>>162223491
Really? I grinded for about a week and got fed up with it.
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>>162223009
>Likes Shitillya
>Best taste in the world
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>>162223511
The answer is simple, your waifu doesn't love you, and that's why she doesn't respond to your summons.
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>>162223552
I'm sorry you can't appreciate her, anon. I hope you get over your shit taste eventually.
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>>162223538
Depends on your luck, early game from 2015-2016 I never got any 5* except Kintoki, Shuten, and Saber. Then during the final chapter I got Merlin then my luck has went up to the point I'm rolling 5* every month now
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>>162223348
Gun that shoots out sword will be his next evolution.
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>>162223351
I have fifteen 5 stars over two years in that game, and way more 4*'s

90% of them I got as a F2P, just saving up tickets and eventually getting a few every now and then out of it.

Lemme tell you something fucky about the system after I decided to throw money at it. Throwing money at the game doesn't get you much, I got more as a F2P just saving up gems daily slowly. The gem per dollar rate is absolute shit. I rolled a dozen times as a whale and only got CE's, yet as a F2P I just threw tickets into the game on occasion and got some shit. I can save up 200 gems over three months far easier and get lucky with tickets on occasion, than I can from spending money. The meme that you have soooooo many five stars if you're a whale, and you have none if you're a F2P is a retarded myth from bitterfags who either don't play the game or don't log in properly.

The game doesn't make you pay money for rare shit, I got Ilya off singles recently. Its only retards who pay money for each gacha. Its the same for PGO; retards buy items in that game, F2P can achieve the same results by saving up a bit.
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>>162223618
I'm sorry, Miyu is the better loli by far. This is a fact.
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>>162223823
why can't I like all the cups?
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>>162223679
Lostman's Origin Bullets already do that.
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>>162223823
Pretty sure it's an unspoken rule not to argue who's best girl amongst the cups as they are all best girls.
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>>162223095

>Meltlilith: You—You can still move!?
>Man’s Voice: I was left lying here as a corpse, after all. As long as my consciousness remains, I can do this much, at least. However, now I’ve used up all my ampoule (cerebrospinal fluid ). We’re both on a one-way ticket to hell now.
>SE.RA.PH Kiara: I can’t believe it. My ultimate come-from-behind win has been hindered— By a barely living dotard, no, by a long dead corpse like you…You truly are a boring man!
>Man’s Voice: That goes without saying. By contrast, you’re quite amusing. There’s no spectacle as worth seeing as the pathetic death of a villain. Please, keep going and show me a suitable end for someone like you.
>SE.RA.PH Kiara: I’ve had enough of your conceited talk! Yeah, in the end, that’s just the peashooter of a Servant. Even if you can repel my hair (Demon God Pillars), you can’t repel my arms (SE.RA.PH). My arms will crumble away if I move them, but before that happens, I’ll finish Meltlilith by my own hand—!
>Man’s Voice: Once again, you’re too slow to act. “My body is the cutest there is”…That self-love of yours is the cause of your defeat.
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>>162221389
Medea is such an easy servant to win over she would have fallen for Shirou if he had summoned her.
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>>162224157
Illya and Kuro are dirty sluts unlike Miyu. Fuck off
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>>162224463
Miyu wouldn't be happy about you saying that about her loved one and her friend. Also Miyu is a lewd little girl as well just like the other 2 cups.
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>>162207289
He looks like a cuck, which he is.
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>>162216013
>Why can't Ryougi #0 just make all the Beasts disappear?
Because she's weak as shit. She couldn't even handle a single demon pillar on her own in the time temple.
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>>162219604
>Gilgamesh would probably destroy him if he got a tiny bit serious.
Gil himself has judged him to be strong enough to go all out against. Sure, Alcides is weakened compared to the real Herc but even Karna had a 40/60 chance of defeating Gil so this should be basically the same.
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Alicides is stronger than Berserker Heracles, and nothing actually says he's weaker than Archer Heracles, since Avenger Heracles is an aberration class. When nasu said Archer was strongest Heracles, he didn't factor in such an aberration. In the first place he said Archer was stronger is because that's the class where he could use his mind the best to hunt down opponents, which is something he can do even better as Avenger since he has no morality at the moment.

He's not really weakened at all, he's much stronger than normal. The fact that he lacks godhand doesn't mean he's weaker, since he gets ten other things in exchange for it.

The counterbalance for him having more power, is that King's Order takes dozen times more prana than godhand took. Alcidies is a completely unusable servant unless you take precautions ahead of time.
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>>162220036
>>162220475
>They also just look ugly together.

What's wrong with them?
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>>162222012
>People still manage to miss the point of it more than HF and UBW.

explain
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What made Zero so successful?
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>>162223043
You have to be kidding me.
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>>162225878
>ufo hype
>urobuchi's name hype
>fate franchise hype
Failure was literally impossible.
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>>162224319
>Medea is such an easy servant to win over

How so?
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>>162211614
Gods, why is Miyu so sexy
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>>162226131
Long as you don't try to betray her she's easy, despite trying to act hard she's pretty trusting. She was even willing to work with jason again in Solomon singularity when he started to show his more heroic side again. Kotomine calls her master in the 5th war a retard because of how he acted with her. UBW anime showed us what a retard he was.
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>>162224212
>Lostman would be redeemed as a character was his design not so fucking terrible.

Why the fuck is his design so fucking dumb?
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>>162225838
Read the greentext in the post you quoted, retard.
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>>162226229
>Kotomine calls her master in the 5th war a retard because of how he acted with her.

When did he say this?
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>>162209545
Every character in this picture except Kuro and Archer was a fucking mistake.
Recycling designs in lame ways to put out more Servants, BRAVO TYPE-MOON.
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We all agree that UBW is the most canon and best route of FSN, right?
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>>162226677
I miss when FSN, FZ and EXTRA were the only series that had servants.
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>>162226409
He burned his skin using his tracing, what else would he look like?
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>>162226409
Except he wouldn't. There's nothing special about him, just an alternate universe Archer who adds nothing particularly new in terms of character development. Archer existed as a foil to Shirou. They could've actually used the original character, but with a more jaded personality and having gone through a different life, instead of trying to spin him as a brand new character with a trash design. It's just milking Archer fans who have a boner for his tragic life.
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>>162226677
Kuro is a recycle of two characters though
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>>162226947
You're not wrong, but I feel like original Illya gaining her onii-chan's Archer powers is a cool enough concept of its own. It's just as fanfiction-y as all those other fusions that FGO shit out, but at least it's good for muh dick. And she was the first "Archer clone".
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>>162218432
this is the face of a happy man
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>>162222768
Gil is a cuck tho.
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>>162218432
>nameless, unsung heroes of the world.
and the most strongest because of MOONCELL hax
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>>162220759

Archer's natural enemies detailed in his bio are Sakura, Rin, and Ilya. There is a reason for that.
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>>162227836
Because he hates promiscuous whores with a burning passion?
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>>162220759
EMIYA X SABER WHEN NASU YOU FUCKING HACK
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>>162227935

He is gay.

He is in love with Lancer.
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>>162227623
A strong cuck.
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>>162227836
>Redman doesn't cares for Sakura
>Sees her as his enemy
Wew
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>>162227939
Avalon!Shirou probably looks a lot like Archer
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>>162226792
This. Grand order was a big fucking mistake.
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>>162220759
Shirou/Archer will "fall in love" with whoever needs saving and loves him first.
I think it was stated before but he doesn't really love anyone on a deep, emotional level but he can have protective feelings for them and if being together with a girl will make her happy, that will make him happy too.
He was aggressive about Saber, though, because he figured making her feel like a woman was what she wanted most, and he was right.
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>>162228494
You're misinterpreting parts of his character.

Making it seem Iike he's the complete mirror of Kotomine when that's not the case
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>>162220759
>>162228329
>>162227935
Is there a need to shitpost something you don't like to this level? Sakura, Rin, Ilya are people he's weak to personally. After Kotomine reveals all the sexual abuse Sakura underwent, you find Archer standing outside the church just staring, unable to say much at first, before deciding its too late for him to change since he's already dead.

>>162220013
>What's their special relationship?
Archer is confirmed Fate route already. After Fate route Ilya lived at Shirou's house for awhile. its already confirmed she dies a year after the war in all outcomes due to how she was modded right before 5th war.

Its not hard to figure out their relationship and why he feels heavy regret for her.

He thought he saved her, only to watch her die slowly over the course of the next year unable to do anything. Taiga also had to watch her die. This would likely tear them up a bit.
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No matter how you look at it, Shirou is an amazing MC.
I wish we had MC's as good as Shirou in at least half of the show's today.
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>>162229156
Shirou is not bad but 90 different canon versions of him get old so i disagree that we need more
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>>162228733
Archer's mirror is probably Twice H Pierceman

>Saved from disaster early on in life
>Adopted parent
>Becomes broken up because of it, obsessed with death and war. Feels panicked whenever he sees images of it, immerses himself into helping people in disaster situations because he fears but is obsessed with war unable to get past it. Just like someone with survivors guilt.
>Puts himself in danger in disaster situations over and over
>Terror attack in 1999 lead to him losing his life in chemical weapon attack
>As he's dying he realizes, humanity only ever advanced itself or evolved due to war. Only when trying to kill each other did humans ever try to grow stronger. If they weren't trying to kill each other they just stagnated on their own.
>This revelation drove him mad, as he finally found an answer for his feelings about war
>Wants to use the grail to create endless war.

He's basically Shirou who ended up picking the reverse path at the climax of his life.

It really is amazing that Last Encore went with thematically the least fitting servant, and went with the master/servant pairing that least fits overall. Nero is the only one who doesn't fit within the overall plot in a sense. Twice is inverted Shirou, and Tamamo is Twice's previous servant who has mixed feelings about him(not romantic). Unable to save him, and only allowing him to fall further upon this path. Nero doesn't connect to anything.
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>>162229429
Nero really is the Roman Reigns of Fate.
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One can only wonder what he was feeling there.
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>>162229429
Kiritsugu is Twice's mirror if you think about
>Both have seen war
>One's a doctor one's a mercenary
>One wants the grail to end war and bring peace the other wants to create more war to advance humanity
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I want to hug Shirou.
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>>162229792
I want Shirou to project me a fleshlight.
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So which Onii-chan do we root for?
Shirou, who sacrificed the world for his.
Julian, who's only way of saving his involved saving the entire world.
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Why is Shirou so perfect?
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>>162229929
>Born and raised to simply be a shell for your ancestor, who is completely fucked up in the head, causing you to slowly go insane as your mind is replaced with his.
>Your entire family is dead, except for your imouto.
>Your imouto is forced to become a vessel for Pandora thanks to uncle Darius.
>Darius beats her if she steps out of line.
>Try to keep your goal of saving humanity, but as your personality becomes more and more warped, saving humanity is only secondary to becoming a legend.
>Uncle Darius decides that its a good idea to summon your dead Onee-chan to use as a puppet, and treats her like shit.
>Uncle Darius decides everything you do, because your mind is nearly gone.

Being Julian is suffering, I hope Angelica can save him.
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>>162229929
Is Julian REGEND 2.0?
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Why didn't Kirei and Archer meet in FSN?
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>>162228388
It began with Apocrypha, anon
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>>162227939
FGO, Saber blushes when she's talking about him
Also Nasu literally said in his blog that he ships them in GO

>>162226409
>would be
Japan already like him thanks to CCC event. Also his anniversary CE design is great
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>>162218829
The actual answer. Every other slut in the game has some ulterior reason to care for Shirou. Saber needs him to win the war as her Master. Rin teams up with him because he's naive, doesn't ask questions, and is the only other semi-sane Master who she could even hope to trust. Sakura is utterly broken and desperately craves for even the tiniest bit of genuine affection.

Nee-san is pure. Taiga loves Shirou because she's a hag in denial who lusts after younger men.
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>>162229151
>Is there a need to shitpost...
Yes
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>>162231489
>Nee-san is pure. Taiga loves Shirou

Delusion. Did you never stop to think why she was at Shirou's house in the first place?

>frequently visiting the Emiya residence ever since Emiya Kiritsugu moved in.
>It seems that for her, meeting Kiritsugu was something like love at first sight, and she would always end up quarrelling with Shirou when she came over. Eventually, though, they made up, and settled into their current relationship.
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>Q: Why did Taiga become an English teacher? The shinai-wielding Tagai seemed to give a stronger impression.
>A: That's got to be Kiritsugu's influence. Although Kiritsugu was her private tutor, he only spoke with Taiga in English. ....ahh... it was such a magical time.

She went over there every day because she loved Kiritsugu, she still visits his grave constantly. She ended up taking care of Shirou after he died just for Kiritsugu. Its her first love she's still never gotten over. Shirou is like her little brother, as she tried to bang his father each day. There's a reason Shirou can't see her as a women.
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>>162219415
Why is Gil such a bro in the EXTRA games anyway?
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FEELS SO GOOD THAT I WANT TO VOMIT
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>>162231842
Gilgamesh changes his attitude based on current humanity, CCC interviews say as much. In the year 2000 he thought humanity was shitty. But in the year 2030 he thinks its pretty good.

Also Nasu decided that while grail mud didn't change Gilgamesh as a person, him being incarnated did change him and made him more foolish. CCC Gil is true Gil.
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>>162231748
>>162231489
She also loves Shirou for the reason Saber does, his cooking.
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>>162231934
Isn't humanity basically dead in extra?
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>>162207289
>Prisma is only good when it focuses on Shirou
Why did we have to go back to loli lesbian shenanigans?
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>>162232453
We didn't, though. The focus is on Illya again, but the tone is way different from what it used to be. I think the flashback arc totally changed the direction Hiroyama wanted to take everything.
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>>162232264
No, but magecraft is.
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>>162227939
Never, you fucking tumblr whale
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>>162228366
Nah. When he speaks, Noriaki voices him. It seems his youth was restored to him once he entered Avalon.
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>>162232640
fuck off faggot
stop being gay
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>>162208037
go back to bed sakura
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>>162232538
The tone changed with the start of 3rei, arguably even with end of 2wei. We still are getting some cute slice of life stuff from time to stuff as well, like all the bath scenes, various outfits and things like the snowball fight.
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>>162220036
Trash taste anons.
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>>162232799
Angelica is the best.
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>>162232881
>People actually think this is what Shirou looks like in Last Episode

Did you all just turn off the voiceovers?
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>>162232940
She watched him go throughout his life until he found a miracle.

Being blackened has nothing to do with becoming Archer, its something that happens to him no matter what as long as he overloads his magic ability in life over and over.
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>>162232940
No one here actually read Last Episode which explains why people keep claiming it's fanfiction when in fact it's thematic ending to the VN which theme's are explored in FGO.
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>>162232940
I mean I have a ton of Last Episode fanart. I could see Shirou having darker skin and I could see him having light skin. Fate route Shirou WOULD have dark skin though, since he did become a hero and would have been using projection a lot.
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>>162233012
Post your best fanart please, I need more Shirou x Saber OTP pictures.
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>>162230952
>Also Nasu literally said in his blog that he ships them in GO
Source?
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>>162229429
>>162229570
It's almost surreal seeing the quality of writing go from this to what we got in EXTELLA.
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>>162218829
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>>162233049
Hard to really choose a "best". I can give you this though, I think it's cute.
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>>162233167
>Sword and Sheath
>Saber represents the past while Shirou lives in the present
>Saber becomes Shirou's star whom he chases, a symbol of his ideals and love

I'm just a sucker for this pairing. They match up way too well; it's poetic.
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>>162232972
>>162232980
>>162233012
It seems like it would have reverted him to a state that Saber was most familiar with, though. So I guess that'd mean healing the damage done to his skin, hair and eyes.
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>>162232972
>She watched him go throughout his life until he found a miracle.
So Shirou basically went on the longest no-fap session to be with his waifu?
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>make non pedo prisma thread
>nobody cares about it
>they don't even talk about the show or the characters
>talk about other fate timelines and series
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>>162233629
it's thanks to the shiroufags
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>"That is not true, Shirou. Please do not get your priorities wrong. My life is not important. You should put your life first rather than such a thing--"

>She sounds like she's begging. ...My mind almost collapses, thinking that I'm the one making her sound like that. But even so--

>"--I refuse. There's nothing I want more than you."

>I can't accept her words.

>"Wha--" Saber looks at me in astonishment. ...I don't know why she has that look. But I remember. She told me I was a fool who didn't know the value of his own life.

>She's probably right. It's too conceited for someone who can't even think about himself to try to help someone else. That's just complacent happiness, as well an unstable happiness for the other party.

>The most important person is yourself. Someone like that can probably achieve happiness and share that happiness with others.

>"...Yeah. I'm definitely an idiot who doesn't consider his own life."

>I was wrong about what's most important to me.
>---Since that day, that seat has been empty.

>...But I'm grateful for that abnormality.

>Because, in that empty seat...
>...is sitting someone I want to save from the bottom of my heart.

>"But you know, Saber. Even if I valued my own life above all, nothing would change. Your beauty far surpasses that. There's not one thing inside me that could ever take your place."
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>>162233979
>--And then I realize. It's not that I felt sympathy for her.

>The girl I saw in my dream. She fought alone and died alone. I thought she was unrewarded, but at the same time, I was charmed by her.

>I simply thought she was beautiful. She pulled out the sword and ran through her life without looking back. Her life itself was just so brilliant.

>"---That's right. That's why..."

>That's why I have to protect her. So that you, all alone, won't be engulfed in darkness in your final moments.

>...That's right. So that in your last moments, on the verge of your death... So that you can be proud of the life you've lived---

>--My doubts disappear. My path has become so clear.

>"---Sorry. There's nothing I love more than you, Saber. So I won't give you up to someone like him.

>As soon as I say that, I regret apologizing to her. But I had to say it. I wanted to say it now, at this moment, because I knew there would be no impurities mixed into my words.

>-----"

>I hear her gasp. I wanted to turn around and see, but I won't since I can't really see anymore in the first place.

>I get up. I can still fight if my heart is beating. My magical energy is my life. As long as my heart is beating, I'll keep on recreating her sword.
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>>162233979
>>162234006
Disgusting.
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>>162234006
Is this Fate route? Damn those are some beautiful words. I'll have to get around to rereading that despite everyone calling it shit.
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>>162234006
>>162233979
Needs more mollusks.
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>>162234006
>>162233979
Needs more sweetfish and vomiting
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>>162234006
beautiful
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>>162234006
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WORMFAGS are on suicidewatch.
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Who would have thought that King Arthur could be such a great waifu.
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>>162213874
>Getting hit with cheese is what killed her in her legend.

The more you know. Kind of seems like a dick move that you're trying to kill her with cheese.
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>>162234729
She locked you up in prison because you were hosting an illegal racing circuit on her land. Its only natural that the first answer heroic spirits come up with to solve this is murder.

Which they eventually managed to do, only to realize that we were the bad guys all along because Ishtar was using us to revive her giant bull.

Which we then beat up Ishtar for and her bull.

Heroic spirits are weak to whatever killed them. If you can recreate the events of their death at all, then its like a huge bonus damage modifier against them.
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>>162234896
>only to realize that we were the bad guys all along because Ishtar was using us to revive her giant bull.
I dunno, seems like you were the bad guys when you hosted an illegal racing circuit on her land. Unless that was part of Ishtar's plan.
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>>162235056
Ishtar didn't really tell you it was someone's land when she created and hosted a racing circuit. She set up the entire event.
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>tfw it just takes a qt imouto to not go full sword autist
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>>162234060
Wormfags and Rinfags autistic screeching
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>>162235244
>>162234546
>>162232881
>>162232778
Y'all do know you're getting hard to what is essentially KING ARTHUR, right?
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>>162235120
He did the same for Sakura

All it takes to not go full suicide bomber, is for him to reach a morality choice where someone he cares about is directly at stake. Also it helps for him to realize the darker side of Kiritsugu's ideals. Which is why on day two of HF you had Kiritsugu go on and on about how Kiritusug was really a prick.

Recipe for death of ideals
>Realize the fallibly of one who prescribed them to you. Your hero was fucked up and ruined his life going down this path
>Family/friend's life is at stake, and your "ideals" tell you to kill this person
>Realize that you don't want to kill this person, and that your ideals are fucked up.
>Realize that all or nothing life choices that tell you to kill people randomly aren't that great.

In Prisma, Shirou couldn't even make the promise to carry on Kiritsugu's ideals on the porch after seeing what he was really like directly.
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>>162235316
What's the problem?
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>>162235120
What are you saying? It only hastened it. Equipping that card only served to make him the bone of his sword even faster.

Remember anon, no matter what, Shirou is destined to become a sword autist. Even if he doesn't follow his ideals, the fact that he's a sword autist doesn't change.
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Oh fuck why did I even watch that now I want to see the movie even more
BDS WHEN
CAMRIP WHEN
GIVE ME SOMETHING
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>>162235316
Yes, and?
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>>162223091
>come up with a technique that lets you kill targets cleanly, quickly, and efficiently
>do your job well
>get surgeries to be a good assassin
>get written off as one of the most unremarkable Hassans of all
>upstaged by a goddamn midget

CURSED
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>>162235320
That's not it.

In Shirou, there is an empty seat. Ordinarily, a person should value themselves more than anything else. The one who sits in that seat should be yourself. But for Shirou, that seat is empty. In each route, someone different ends up sitting in that seat.

In the Fate route, the one who sits in that seat is Rin. At that point, she became his greatest priority. The one he loves more than anyone is Saber. Saber is unable to admonish him for his way of life, because she herself lived that very life, and at the end, she was able to look back on it with pride. Bearing witness to Saber's way of life, he is also able to hold his head up with pride and walk his path without turning back.

In the Unlimited Blade Works route, the one who sits in that seat is Rin. Compared to Saber, Rin is more realistic. And although she has problems with how Shirou puts others before himself, she is unable to admonish that ideal. Because she finds it beautiful. Because she finds Shirou beautiful. The one she loves is Shirou, and she has no desire to mold him into anything else. Thus, she supports him and his ideal, becoming a foundation for him to lean on, so that he can walk forward, hold his head up high, and live without regrets. So that she can catch him should he fall.

In Heaven's Feel, the one who sits in that seat is Sakura. Ordinarily, she would be like Rin, because she, too, sees Shirou as beautiful the way he is. But when "that" happens to her, Shirou is forced into a choice. Either pursue his ideal, or save the world he loves. The fact of the matter is that in each route, there is always someone more important to Shirou than his ideal. In fact, in Fate, he was even kinda wanted to just run away with Saber. In the first two routes, that someone is able to support him and his ideal, but in this one, Sakura can't. She would love to support him, but she can't. Because she herself is the one who stands in the way of that ideal.
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>>162215667
She would probably try to kill the non-Hassan Assassin Servants (including herself) for polluting the Class
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>>162235320
People overplay Shirou's super hero autism too much.

Even in Fate route Shirou was ready to run away with Saber and let Fuyuki burn.
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>>162235577
> Because she herself is the one who stands in the way of that ideal.
Fucking wormslut ruins everything. We need Realta Nua #2 with only 2 routes.
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>>162235577
Well, basically, Shirou's ideals aren't really that tough. They lack a solid foundation. Depending on the route, the one he loves becomes that foundation, or the one who destroys it.

As long as you're strong, supporting his ideal is easy. As long as you love Shirou for who he is, supporting it is the natural outcome. Because Shirou lives by that ideal. The ideal a great part of who he is. Whether it's Saber, Rin or Sakura, they all love Shirou because of what kind of person he is.

The only way someone who loves him could crush that ideal is if the choice is taken away from him. That's what happened with Sakura. To Sakura, Shirou was dazzling. He was the shining light in her dark world. In a sense, one could say that Shirou was to Sakura in the HF route what Saber was to Shirou in the Fate route. A magnificent star that she could only admire from the ground. It's entirely unthinkable for someone like her to want to destroy his ideals. She's not different from Saber and Rin in that regard.

Supporting the ideal is easy so long as you love Shirou from the bottom of your heart. But destroying it is surprisingly easy too. But this comes with a drawback. The ideal is who Shirou is. If you take that away from him, it's like destroying him from the inside out. It's the equivalent of having him deny everything he's lived through for the past ten years. His pain, his beliefs, his hopes, his memories. It's like telling him to destroy all that with his own hands. But for the sake of the one he loves, he'll do it. Because there is nothing he loves more in this world than you. For your sake, he will tear apart his heart with his own hands.
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>>162235875
> Well, basically, Shirou's ideals aren't really that tough. They lack a solid foundation.
Not surprising. He's only human, and he's broken human.
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>>162235875
In the case of Archer, he either lost the ones he loved, or the ones who could have saved him failed to get a route with him. So the ideal became the only thing he had to live for. That's why he ended up the way he did. He gave up everything for his ideal. If he had only had someone by his side. If he only had someone who supported him. Even if that person was no longer with him, they would be able to protect his heart. But Archer had no such thing. He failed Saber, he lost Illya. Rin and Sakura couldn't become his harnesses. So he lived purely by the ideal. And then, he made a contract with the world. And then, he died alone.

Only after death, only after becoming an eternal janitor, was he able to realize how flimsy his foundations were. Even though the ideal was who he was, no one can live alone. No one can bear that weight alone. It's a magnificent self destruction.
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>>162209607
Emiya also used guns in his life as shown in Fate/Extra. In fact he rather likes them
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>>162235913
Not only broken, but actually an empty man that need to parrot another man's ideals just so he could feel alive.
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>>162236131
Even so, the ideal is beautiful. Saber, Rin and Sakura would agree. It's just that Sakura was put into a position where she was unable to support it.
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>>162212787
Actually King Hassan's prescence concealment level is that he becomes one with the world. Once he start to attack it becomes rank A+
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>>162236180
You're talking about the unknown Hassan.

King Hassan's Presence Concealment is only A+. Because of a powerful curse, he actually can't use it properly. The moment he decides to kill someone, that person will immediately become aware of him. It's impossible for him to hide his presence no matter how good he is.

In a way, he's both the greatest and worst assassin.
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>>162236291
>That same pathetic expression of being able to save at least one thing.

I think so.
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>>162235781
Had nothing to do with her choices or actions; she too was just a hapless victim of fate, nothing in the route from early on was her choice at all but rather just her being along for the ride. Her existence was a morality question that Shirou couldn't process. There was nothing black and white about the choice, which is why Shirou was absolutely fucked here. Lotta the fucked up understanding with this route is when people try to paint any choice as black or white, when the route is so fucky because its all grey.

Each night she would be overtaken by a demon that would try to feed on people, but she herself was an innocent in the equation who had no control over it. It simply took over in her sleep each night. To kill her would be evil since she has no control, but also to let her live might mean people be snacked on which is evil. Either road you go down, both options are absolutely going to break his ideals here. Plus, he absoultely can't kill someone he's that close to without entirely breaking and just becoming a murderer with no ideals anymore. Which is foreshadowed earlier in the game when Taiga was captured and Shirou was going to kill Rin if she so much as moved in that instant.

MoS wasn't the route where he chose to uphold his ideals, its the route where he lies to himself forever, as Ilya said at the time. He was already broken as soon as he reached the choice itself. At least picking the human choice meant that someone was saved in the end.

He broke down a hundred times, but in the end he was reborn as a human, he was no longer Tinman ironically. Which is pretty heavy handed thematically with him literally "dying" and getting a new body at the end of the route. Ideals are no longer killing him, no longer breaking him, he settled down and lived a quiet life with friends and family.
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>>162236384
It's not as if Shirou changed. The fact is, he's still a broken human being. It's just rather than his ideals, the one he's being supported by is Sakura. The only thing that changed was the foundation, but who Shirou is, and how he lives his life, doesn't change. He still doesn't care about himself; his treatment of himself is purely for Sakura's sake. That's all it boils down to. "Ideals" have been replaced by "Sakura", but Emiya Shirou is still Emiya Shirou.

The ideals were never meant to be a negative thing, and I think this is what many HFfags fail to understand the most. Because everyone, even Sakura, believed them to be beautiful. And no matter what, in each of the True Ends, he lives a fulfilling life. Archer died a miserable death, but that's because he had no one to support him. Shirou's ideals were never killing him or breaking him. They were what supported him.
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>>162236248
He's the angel of death, basically the grim reaper, representing unavoidable death no matter how strong or skilled you are. As soon as Mashu and the gang stepped into his temple they started shaking down to their souls after feeling him, and even though they blocked his attack they were dead in that moment, the world registered them as dead.

He's a perfect assassin mostly; for assassins it doesn't matter how well you hide, so much as how assuredly you kill the target. Hiding is just the most appropriate way to ensure a kill. He doesn't need to hide though, as soon you see him its already a guarantee you're dead.

Hiding, exploiting weakness, poisoning, camo, those are all pretty human methods of ensuring a kill. He's more like an otherworldly killer, you can't block him or escape, you're just dead. The Grim reaper doesn't need to hide at all in order to kill you, he's already done it.
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>>162236534
Well, even then, his method is sloppy. The reason there are no witnesses is because he kills anyone who sees him. A perfect assassin would kill only the target, leaving not a trace of his existence behind. No one knows he was there, no one other than the target ever even sees him. That's the ideal assassin, an absolutely perfect "nobody" who only kills the target and disappears, as if they never existed.

Such an assassin cannot be summoned as a Servant. Compared to that hypothetical ghost whose existence can never be verified, King Hassan is only second-best.
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>>162236595
He kinda wants people to know he was there a bit, because he's a warning to the rest of the clan "This is what happens when you stray from the path". If they thought it was just a random occurrence they wouldn't learn much from it.

Instead they find the current leader with a giant flaming hole through his chest and think "Oh, shit. we gotta find a new leader now. Looks like that one wasn't devout enough".
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>>162236653
Like I said, though, since he can't hide his presence, he may sometimes be forced to kill unrelated people just because they happened to be there. He kills anyone who sees him, even if they're not his target. The events of FGO were an exception.

That's why he's an imperfect assassin. Leaving no evidence and killing his targets is good, but there are too many unnecessary extras. Too much compromise.
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>>162236517
All evil people start as innocent vicrims anon.
Would you help shinji or let kherie go because he said sorry or were victims a long time ago knowing that they'd do it again and enjoy it?

Sakura is corrupt and evil and will lose control and kill again. Killing her is the right choice and besides.
Shirou becoming her soulless puppet/human dildo with even less humanity then he had before is not a good ending on any level.
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>>162236627
Translation?
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>>162236517
Shirou is supported by Saber and then Rin in UBW as well. Without either of them he tends to self-destruct (going down the Archer path).

As someone pointed out earlier in Fate Shirou put Saber above all else. Literally the only thing stopping him was ironically her own ideals since he knew she would never be okay with him sacrificing everyone else for her.
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>>162236026
>reinforcing tragic emiya
Outside of his emo period in UBW, mostly because Shirou was being EXTRA retarded, he doesn't seem to really regret doing anything or in any way act like a horrible tragic figure. He's still the same Shirou, a little older and wiser, but he still believes in saving people.
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>>162236858
The ideals were what supported him since the day Kiritsugu died. Even if they were fragile, it's a fact that they're a core part of his character. If they were not so vital to him, it would not have caused him so much pain in Heaven's Feel.
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>>162236860
This.

In Extra (and I think CCC I haven't read it) Archer outright says he doesn't regret his choices in life and even concedes the world needs janitors to do the dirty work like him.

Remember, Shirou's "ideals" are bullshit - his real goal is to see his loved ones smile. That's why they keep hammering this point home again and again in the UBW anime - Archer got butthurt that all he did was kill, but he couldn't see the good he did.
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>>162236860
The tragic thing wasn't his regrets, but the fact that he died alone. He died a death that he didn't deserve. If he could have at least had someone who supported him, it would have been far more wonderful.

>>162236957
The thing is, in the end, it's still painful for him. A janitor is necessary, but who actually ENJOYS handling sewage for eternity? Archer will be forever forced to kill. He'll kill and kill and kill. It will never stop. One, ten, fifty, a hundred, ten thousand, a million, over and over and over and over and over.

In UBW, he gained some sense of support from dealing with Shirou and Rin, but it's not enjoyable in the least. Because the number of lives he must take will never decrease. He will kill and kill and kill without end.

See? For all the good he does, it's still a fairly terrible existence. The world benefits while Emiya Shirou suffers for a literal eternity.
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>>162218876
Issei, don't you have school in the morning?
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>>162237056
>The thing is, in the end, it's still painful for him
I'm just saying that in the end EMIYA isn't different from Shirou. They still share the same goal - to see the people around them smile. The whole "Superhero" shlock was some bullshit he bought into because of Kiritsugu.

Shirou has shown time and time again through all forms of media he doesn't give a shit about being a super hero.
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>>162237056
But that's not true. He had friends, he had a lover, he had happy moments. He regrets nothing about how he lived his life and his choice to be a guardian and save the world forever. Now, he's not as cool with turning out to be an assassin, but he's come to terms with it. Especially since he's apparently summoned to literally any HGW to do some actual good on the side.
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>>162237127
But Archer doesn't have the luxury to see people smile most of the time. Why do you think he was so upset in UBW?

The man who wanted more than anyone else to see people smile could only see crying faces forever.

Besides, summoning him isn't easy without a convenient system like Chaldea. After all, who would have a catalyst for a nameless hero other than Rin?
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>>162237220
His catalyst is the HGW itself, since he is "The Victor of the Holy Grail War."
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He's going to one day be used to recreate the grail isn't he?
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>>162237220
>After all, who would have a catalyst for a nameless hero other than Rin?
his catalyst in EXTRA is anyone that persists to leave. Hence, he answered the call for Hakuno//Hakunon's will was so persistent that it was enough to call him.

His literally the placeholder of all unsung heroes in the Extra/Extella universe and having a literal heroic will summons him
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>>162237278
That'd be one hell of a farce. The one who rebukes the Grail, the one who destroyed the Grail, being used as the core of a new Grail?
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>>162237220
I'm not sure you're reading my posts at all. You seem to be intent on arguing for the same of arguing.
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>>162237220
>After all, who would have a catalyst for a nameless hero other than Rin?
Moon Grail's catalyst is arguably just a heroic willpower.
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>>162237278
His going to become a counter-guardian
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>>162237311
EXTRA has nothing to do with the Earth. EXTRA's Archer has nothing to do with Earth's Archer. He's not a janitor, he's not a part of the Counter Force and he doesn't kill people constantly. He's merely a guardian of the Moon Cell.

Don't compare the two. EXTRA's Archer is merely experiencing a light purgatory compared to the endless hell of Earth's Archer.
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>>162237365
Extra Archer was confirmed as the same Archer, actually.
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>>162237365
Emiya is Emiya. There is only one Counter Guardian Emiya. This is why the 5th Heaven's Feel in 2004 is something he remembers.
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>>162237315
I know right.
He's more then likely been in nearly every grail war ever and has probably ended ones that have gone off the rails and won a good majority of them.

If he is one day forced after many years to be the core of the holy grail..
Would it for the first time ever a true holy grail? One that can't be corrupted?

>>162237352
Yeah I know.
But what if he's summoned and is forced to be the core of a grail?
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>>162220172
truly the OTP of Fate universe
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>>162221968
Rhino enables manchildness anon, no wonder she was discarded.
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>>162237393
>>162237408
The Emiya Shirou if EXTRA's world made a contract with the Moon Cell rather than with Alaya. After dying, he was made into a Servant of the Moon Cell.

The Moon Cell's Servant's aren't taken from the Throne of Heroes located in the Spiral of Origin. They're its own private defense force, created to protect it from whatever manner of threats that may assault it. The Moon Cell itself is just an observation mechanism. It observes the Earth, from an infinite number of possibilities, but it doesn't really interfere. Out of the Earths it's observed of the countless possibilities, there are some that have even self-destructed and purged. But that's got no bearing on the Servants of the Moon Cell.

You'd realize that much just by listening to Archer talk about it in Fate/EXTRA.
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>>162237463
Pretty sure it's still Shirou and Saber. I mean, Archer is still the ultimate Saberfag in all incarnations.
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>>162237531
Yeah no anon, it's always going to be Sakura x Shirou.
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>>162237514
No, it's more like there can only be one EMIYA (the allcaps are important). It's an ironclad rule.
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>>162237565
Go back and play EXTRA with Archer as your Servant. Listen to him talk.

At one point, he claims he made a contract with the Moon Cell. Later on, he says that as a Servant, he exists to protect the Moon Cell.
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>>162237616
All of the Servants contract with the Moon Cell, just like how they contract with the Grail. However it's been explicitly said that Extra Archer is the very same Archer who participated in Fuyuki's Heaven's Feel in another world and another time. He's got lines about how the Moon Cell is much different from a proper HGW.
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>>162237452
Does Miyu Shirou have the love of the grail?
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>>162221560
I haven't been keeping up What happened.
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>>162237659
You do realize that that contradicts nothing, right? Of course Archer participated in Fuyuki's Heaven's Feel.

He was a Master in it, remember?
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>>162237727
Catch up, and you'll know.
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>>162237742
>>162237514

It's the main point: there's only one Archer that is the root of all his appearances and summons. There by definition cannot be another EMIYA with another history floating around, there are just summoned copies.
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>>162236703
>He kills anyone who sees him, even if they're not his target.

Camelot shows that he can turn invisible at will; so no one actually sees him except his target. Unless someone is in the room when his target dies. Sure people can feel him nearby, but I think people would generally stay away from that. He doesn't kill you if you feel him, just if you see him.
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>>162237822
No.

The Archer in the Moon Cell simply lived a similar history to the Archer in Fate/stay night. The timeline in EXTRA's world wasn't that different from the timeline in Fate/stay night's. Emiya Shirou became a Master of the 5th Heaven's Feel, won and became an ally of justice. It's just that instead of making a contract with the planet, he made a contract with the Moon Cell.

The Moon Cell does not access the Throne of Heroes located in Akasha. All its Servants come from its own internal memory. This is why Gilgamesh had to be locked away into the Far Side during the SE.RA.PH. Holy Grail War. It deemed him too powerful, so it kept him from participating. If the Servants were summoned from the Throne, this would not be necessary.

Servants don't work the same in the Moon Cell as they do on Earth and in the Throne. First off, no catalyst is necessary. When a Servant answers a summons, it's because they personally desire to do so. Each of Hakuno's Servants in the original EXTRA answered his/her summons because they wanted to (though Archer initially acts as if he was forced into it).
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>>162237945
They are the same fag. FGO (which is canon) Archer is also the same Archer from Extra and the same Archer from FSN. One continuity, one EMIYA.
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>>162237056
Wasn't just that he killed, its that it really was endless. Makes him feel like he never saved anything, never made an impact, because it always keeps going endlessly. Truly he didn't save anything, all he did was kill the smaller number infinitely. Which is why at the end of his life he turned towards a miracle just like Kiritsugu, in order to turn the tide and finally at least save someone for real in his life. It still didn't leave an impact among all the chaos, didn't change anything, its like trying to scoop up the ocean while you're in the ocean. Its just an infinite amount of water, and you really aren't affecting anything in the long run.

As a guardian he's only summoned into hell, where he only sees all humanities evils up close again and again and again. Eventually he forgets why he was trying to save them, was betrayed by humanity, was betrayed by his ideal. Classic superman trap, as you only encounter hell each day and a remainder of how you haven't changed shit no matter how long you repeat the cycle.

He lost faith in what he wanted to see, always being surrounded by evil.
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>>162237127
'Super hero' is the wrong translation, the original term is Ally of Justice.

The VN as a whole had a pretty bad literal translation
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>>162238072
"Superhero" does more or less get the point across.

After all, the only kind of character you'd refer to as a "seigi no mikata" is a children's hero like Kamen Rider or Ultraman. It's not something you use to refer to normal people.
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>God-tier
Apocrypha
Extella
>Good-tier
Tsukihime + KT
Fate/stay night + hollow ataraxia
Fate/EXTRA + CCC
>Shit-tier
The rest.
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>>162237945
>he Moon Cell does not access the Throne of Heroes located in Akasha.

Mooncell isn't so limited, yeah Mooncell uses its own archive but it can connect to parallel worlds and the throne. CCC event it connected to FGO world-line in order to send BB to take care of Kiara.

>Taiga: Is it correct to say that Moon Cell Servants aren't summoned from the counter force, but are instead reproduced copies like NPCs?
>Sakura: Yes, that's right. To be more precise, they are perfectly reproduced from the Moon Cell's records of human history. However, that human history is connected to the throne of heroes in multiple ways, so they can't be called copies as a rule. In short, the Moon Cell consciously creates its own history of humanity, but that history is the exact same as the throne of heroes, so it's like they overlap in multiple ways as the same existences.
>Taiga: While we're at it, the counter force is a different thing altogether. Archer-san is a counter force heroic spirit, but Archer-san in EXTRA was summoned from the throne of heroes, so he's not a slave of the counter force this time.
>Caster: I see, so the reason he has a few differences from the original Fate is also because of that state.
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>>162238072
Still wrong in this case. Ally of Justice is not something Shirou really cares for. In Fate only keeps going because of Saber. In UBW he has some serious doubts about it and Rin presumably straightens him out in the future. In HF he drops it completely. EMIYA admits he was bootyblasted he couldn't see the happiness of the people he saved. Prisma Shirou doesn't give a fuck about that shit.
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>>162238147
>in UBW he has some serious doubts about it

Nope. Didn't you hear him? It's not a mistake. He rebuked Archer with all his heart. Nothing less could have gotten Archer to admit defeat.

While it's true that certain things might supersede the ideal given the right circumstances, you're giving it too little weight.
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>>162238209
>Nope.
Yep. UBW Epilogue has him specifically voicing his concerns to Rin about what his future will be like, but she reaffirms that she'll support him and always provide a home for him to return to.
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>>162238024
What about Emiya Alter?
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>>162238236
Why do Rin and Sakura love Shirou so much?
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>>162219416
didnt those get eaten by gil
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>>162238265
Reinforced dick.
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>>162238265
>>162234064
High Jump Bar
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>>162238261
Emiya Alter is not a CG or a proper Heroic Spirit, he's a reproduction of a particularly edgy Shirou created by the timespace fuckups of the Singularities and the Chaldea Summoning System.
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>>162235342
Zecchan is cute. CUTE!
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>>162238323
Why is your Craft Essence so shit?
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>>162238316
He's a CG, BB literally says that during the event.

He's literally just EMIYA who advanced much much further into his edginess because something pushed him over the edge much earlier on in his career.
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>>162238391
Advanced edge
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>>162238391
In fact its implied in CCC event he was acting as a CG.

>EMIYA Alter: It’s your own fault. How could I not laugh after hearing you call us two of a kind? Just as you can see, I wear no masks and I have no hidden agendas. I merely kill what needs to be disposed of. There’s no play or sympathy in what I do. I discarded any superfluous parts like you have after I became like this when I was alive. —So, what kind of deal are you offering? You made sure to keep only me here. It must be an enticing offer, right?

>BB: …Hmph. You catch on quick. Well, that does save me any future trouble in its own way. I could just take this opportunity to crush a B rank Servant, but you seem conveniently useful. So I’ll give you a chance to survive. Well, to get right to the point— Betray Chaldea and obey my plan. Kill all the remaining humans in SE.RA.PH. And restrain Gudao. In exchange, I will tell you the truth of this base. That’s your true duty as a guardian of the Counter Force, right?

>EMIYA Alter:—I see, so you want me to take care of the dirty work, huh? That’s a good plan, BB. I was just getting fed up with protecting such good and idealistic people.


Seems his mission was to find out the truth of the hidden room in Seraphix. Although when he did find out he broke even more.
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>>162225391
>weakened
He has all of his 12 labors NP's available(besides god hand) including an extra one that lets him steal other NP's. He also has a master with enough mana for him to fight at full power for months, If anything avenger hercules is the strongest hercules out there.
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why do I have the greatest feeling that fairies in avalon are pedo and prefer artoria to stay 14 forever

inb4 ONE LAST revision where shes at her adult voluptuous body instead of being 14
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>>162238479
And Jeanne Alter thinks she's edgy.
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>>162238483
Their complaint is that the NPs in King's Order are marginally less powerful than they can potentially be, due to a host of reasons. It doesn't actually matter in or out of context, but that is the premise of the argument that Alcides is in any way weakened.
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>>162238479
>Tristan: These are…coffins lined up along the wall? And inside them are…young children…
>Suzuka Gozen: ——I see. So that’s what powers SE.RA.PH. To summon 128 Servants, it’s common sense that there needs to be 128 Masters. I didn’t know who my Master was. I didn’t know who I was summoned by or what they’re doing now. Is this the answer!? If you have an excuse, spit it out, Archer!
>EMIYA Alter: That’s right. This is the heart of Seraphix. The Celestial Sphere Simulation Room, System Animusphere. And it also the remains of the dreams of the “Master candidates” that were used by the Demon God Pillar to summon 128 Servants. After the Demon God Pillar infiltrated Seraphix, it learned of the existence of this abandoned Celestial Room. Upon doing so, it snickered. “I can use this place.” Within each Coffin is an uncertain world in flux. Even a magus who has already died many years ago can be used as a Master (living circuit) if the coffin receives power. No matter how many times they’re used. The 128 Servants were summoned by the Masters (corpses) within this Celestial Room. And they each summoned Servants dozens of times. They continued without rest until help came from Chaldea. But that too is at an end. I just destroyed the coffins’ power source. With this, the Masters who were in an uncertain state of “alive or dead” have completely died. No more Servants will be summoned. And you too shall die, Gudao. Masters are unnecessary to SE.RA.PH. All those who learn of this Celestial Room must—
(EMIYA Alter is enveloped in darkness like a Shadow Servant and his name is changed to “Man Who Lost His Name”)
>Man Who Lost His Name:not be allowed to live, without exception. A repeat of this incident must be prevented. I will erase all traces of every evil. I will eliminate any possibility of tragedies following afterwards. I was born that way. For that purpose, for that purpose—

Must have been a familiar experience for him, just like Fate route basement scene.
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>>162238561
so are the servants based on solomon's demons then?
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>>162238561
And then Cu solos him as usual.
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>>162238644
Cu can solo 9 out of 10 bosses in the game, that doesn't count.
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>>162238632
The one behind everything summoned 128 servants over 70 times from what I recall, using this children as living batteries. The 128 number is just due to Mooncell contest regulations. A pillar demon was behind everything at first, but he was consumed in the end by an even bigger demon he unwittingly recreated.

>Suzuka Gozen: Of course not. Gudao, get back. This woman’s scent reeks of aphrodisiac. All the words she spits out are full of lies. She speaks the truth, but she doesn’t mention the crucial parts. Isn’t that right, Sesshouin? You keep saying “Zepar-sama, Zepar-sama”, but where exactly is that Zepar-sama? You said that SE.RA.PH is your very body—How many Servants have you absorbed until now? No, just how many times did you show cruel dreams to the Masters (dead) here in order to absorb Servants into you?

>Sesshouin Kiara: That’s…Please don’t criticize me so much…It couldn’t be helped. I understood that obeying a Demon God was truly shameful, but… Well, watching all the Servants fight each other just felt too good and tasted so delicious. I was completely engrossed in experiencing it all. So I ended up thinking that the Masters wouldn’t mind if I exploited them, since only their corpses would be worn out by it. So, sorry, I can’t answer your question. I stopped counting after the 70th time.
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>>162236708
>Sakura is corrupt and evil and will lose control and kill
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>>162238644
>>162238731
Why is Cu always so gimped in literally every other appearance?
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>>162238790
Because there's no story if he isn't.

Instant kill abilities don't really work in this kinda story, so they rarely work. Strong servants always gotta be balanced out by being gimped.
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>>162238844
Almost everyone waa strong in the 5th war, though. They were all monsters in their own way.
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>>162238900
Medea is called the weakest servant in the 5th war, and she's pretty mundane by caster standards at this point.

If she hadn't lucked upon an absolutely optimal set up at the start, she wouldn't have lasted anywhere near as long.

Even Gilles who is a far shittier magus than her is more dangerous, because all he needs to do to be a threat that multiple servants need to deal with is not give a shit, and summon something he can't control.
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>>162227451
I wonder if we will get Burned Redman in Last Encore.

I like to see watch the true grit he displayed while being hakunon's servant
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>>162238900
Servants in general are monsters.
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>>162227451
>Fought hard and won grail war with master. Many trials and tribulations, you are closer than anything now.
>Aliens attack
>You manage to do pretty well against them for awhile, but the second wave hits and your forces are overwhelmed.
>Master you fought against the world for dies in the process.
>Your entire world-line dies in the process, you fail, everything that's ever mattered you failed.
>World-line is listed as a dead end world, and is erased
>World registered you as an anomaly, and instead of deleting you just throws you to another world line since it can't figure you out
>Infinitely repeating deaths and shifting to world lines. The person you grew close to is dead, but another version of that person who doesn't remember you at all and none of the times you spent together is here. You align yourself with them to try to find another way this time around
>Try not to cry
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I NEED ALL OF THE CUTE SOL EMIYA COMICS YOU GUYS GOT STAT.
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>page 10
Next time bud




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