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What's up with waifubaits these days? Why do they make them so blatant?
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t. Shitmilia faggot
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>>166558671
because they sell
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>>166558719
Emilia is honestly a much better character than Rem.
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Can someone give me the definition of waifubait?
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>>166558671
Stay mad my friend.
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>>166558934
How so?
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>>166559119
Rem
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>>166558934
The extra Emilia spotlight in the LN is killing it, I can't wait for the Greed Archbishops long ass rants to be cut simply to fit more Emilia.
Seriously, I hate what Emilia is doing to the story. I'd like to piss on her
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>>166559227
But what is the definition of a husbandobait?
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>>166558671
Define waifubait, because the way I see it taste is subjective and different fish take different bait. Rem just happens to suit a specific class of people the same way Emilia and literally every anime character in existence do.
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>>166559251
Subaru
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>>166559286
Damn right he is
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>>166559286
Not really. He would be husbandobait if he showed unconditional love and did not try to fuck two people at the same time.
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>>166559286
Go to bed Rem.
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>>166558671
>these days
>provides example for stupid buzzword from a 2 year old anime
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>>166559346
Can't blame a man who is either being posessed or under a love spell.
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>>166559286
Words cannot speak how true this sentiment is.
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>>166559386
Subaru sees Rem as his sex toy, and Emilia as his future wife.
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>>166559480
Oh how the tables had turned. Fuck the LN for trying to introduce some love triangle shit, in terms of couple relationship between Emilia and Subaru Tappei writes very poorly.
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>>166559286

Best husbando ever.
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>>166559375
>Re:Zero was 2 years ago
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I heard that Rem said she wants to be Subaru's 2nd wife. Is that true? I don't think I want to ever see her again if that's true.
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>>166560221
That's true. But don't worry, the waifubait won't be in possible S2 hardly at all.
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Do not fuck the maid.
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>>166560411
Her only purpose is to be fucked.
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>>166558934
Emilia is a character?

I kid, I kid. Sort of. I don't hate Emilia but she never stood a chance. The anime's director, well aware of how little screen time she had, did dumb shit like change her outfit to make her more interesting. At least he acted surprised to hear that it supposedly worked.

I think Tappei wrote organically and unintentionally fucked himself by doing so, with all of the Subaru/Rem interaction being a happy accident. Caught it early enough to realize that this would continue to be an issue and put Rem into a coma to get rid of her.
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>>166560678
Fuck you.
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>>166560678
I mean that would be convincing but for some reason Tappei made an arc solely for reviving her, and continued to romance. Wouldn't it be natural to mourn had have the audience try to forget about her rather than provide coma scenes along with arc 6?
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Remfags are the worst thing about this series and fanbase.
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no you
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>>166559979
>2 years
Fucking what? I could've sworn that was just last year? Where did the time go?
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>>166562693
stay forever buttblasted
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>>166558671
Rem is interesting. She straight up murders Subaru twice but we see that she has strong motivation. She also has strong motivation to fall in love with him. From her perspective everything he did was in the span of about 7 days all the way up to making a fool of himself for love in front of every important person in the kingdom.

The only characters I can compare her with are Ryoko in Tenchi Muyo AFTER it's shown that she watched Tenchi growing up through her spiritual form (previously it makes no sense) and especially after she bonds with Zero.

To be quiet honest I can't even think of another one but it's perhaps because they're both powerful action heroines. I don't think the love between say, Kirino and Kyousuke is any less important for the trials they endured but the character archetype just isn't there.

Calling Rem 'waifubait' is pretty unfair. Just because many people like her doesn't mean the writer did anything particularly manipulative to achieve it.
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>>166563342
The magical girlfriend who does action scenes but demurs to the wimpy dude is a big thing though. The dere usually takes longer (Revy, Shana, Ryougi Shiki) or the male character is more forceful on them (Arc, Saber, Rias, the half-retarded bitch from Hyakki Ryouran Samurai Girls).

There's even a name for it in the West: "Strong Female Characters" (note the quotes).
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>>166564443
Rem is a submissive slut, not a strong female character.
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>>166564644
>Rem is a submissive slut,
She isn't.
>not a strong female character.
I know you haven't read any of the novels but what is your definition of a strong female character?
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>>166564855
>what is your definition of a strong female character?
Someone who doesn't lust MC's dick like a little puppy. The series has plenty of strong female characters. Ram, Crusch, Priscilla, Emilia, etc.
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>>166564996
You didn’t give a definition and
>Emilia
So damsel-in-distress characters are strong female characters now?
>Ram
If you think Rem is submissive then holy shit you haven’t seen Ram. The twins are reversals with Rem being the dominate one in her relationship with Subaru and Ram being submissive with Roswaal.
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>>166565484
>So damsel-in-distress characters are strong female characters now?
That's not what Emilia is.
>Ram being submissive with Roswaal
It's okay for Ram to be submissive with Roswaal. She has known him for a long time and Roswaal is a badass.
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>>166565617
>That's not what Emilia is.
What did she do in arcs 1-3 other than need to be saved by Subaru?
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>>166565656
Fought people. And not for the sole purpose of protecting the dick she loves so much like Rem.
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>>166565723
>Fought people
Who? And still in the end she would need to be saved by Subaru.

In arc 3 she died every time the village was attacked in the escape tunnel, while Rem would die protecting the children.
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>>166565880
You Remfags are not worth even talking to. All you know is how to shit on characters you don't like while praising shit Rem. Emilia > Rem. Deal with it.
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>>166565953
Lmao
I’m going to save this post so I can laugh at you again later
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>>166566026
The author loves Emilia not Rem. Deal with it.
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>>166566097
>Q: I’m not sure what kind of end the story is heading towards, but if Emilia continues like this and becomes the queen, what will Subaru’s position and responsibilities be? Marry Emilia and become a royal family member? Find work as a member of the royal knights? Or something like being true to his nature as a butler, and staying as he is now?
>A: To start with, I’m not sure Emilia-tan will take Subaru as a husband.
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>>166566228
What on earth are your quotes supposed to prove?
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>>166566277
Nothing but it got me another (you) so it was worth it
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>>166566377
Loser.
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>>166566499
I’m not the one who got btfo’d and resorted to “remfags”
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how does rem taste
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>>166566618
Gluttony only eats good tasting things and he only ate half of Crusch so I say Rem was pretty tasty. I wonder how much of a fight she actually put up because gluttony had a morning star scar in his side.
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>>166566713
He was probably too full to eat full Crusch.
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>>166566779
Or hurting.
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>>166566779
He’s gluttony, he probably could have made room.

Or the gospel told him to eat Rem and eat only half of Crusch. Or just eat Rem and Crusch was just a victim of opportunity.
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>>166559211
Emilia isn't batshit crazy.
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>>166566960
Rem is only crazy for Subaru's cock.
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>>166567047
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>>166567187
Shitty waifubait.
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>>166567398
You mean Emilia. She was specifically designed to be loved, Rem was just an accident.
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>>166567187
Do NOT fuck the maid.
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>>166567490
Better be careful before she fucks you.
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>>166567490
She was created to be fucked. She is a waifubait.
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>>166558934
Came here to post this.
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>>166558934
>My blank piece of paper is better than your blank piece of paper!
Both of them are shit with the personality of a water bottle
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>>166567784
In the anime. In the novels Rem has the most development and scenes from her perspective of any non-Subaru character.
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>>166567856
In Arcs 1-3 yes. You are forgetting Emilia’s witch trial scenes in 4.
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Remfags die.
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re:zerofags are brainlet, apparently.
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>>166558671
There are no "waifubaits". "Waifu" aren't created, characters are. Characters are sold to an audience, not "waifu". "Waifu" is a personal matter between fan and character. It is unimportant if the characters are "waifu'd" by fans, it is only important that characters are liked. This has been the case for a long time and even people who post buzzwords like "waifubait" (let alone "moeshit" and other things) judge a work based on their enjoyment of the characters in it. Also no one gives a shit if you don't "fall for it".

These days, what's blatant is anime fans being cynical and contrarian despite being incredibly ill-informed.
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>>166570140
Fuck off reddit
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>>166558671
>Rem is the first anime girl ever to be kind and cute
>/a/ 2018
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>>166558671
>nowadays
Anon, pls. Seriously.
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>>166570222
>/v/edditor bumps thread to advertise his favorite site
Kill yourself.
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>>166570222
But that anon is 100% right.
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>>166570342
Fuck off.
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>>166559286
>obnoxious turbo autist
>husbandobait
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>>166572358
Remfags are retarded.
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>>166558671
Waifubait does not exist.

Virtually everything the anime community complains about is shit that doesn't exist. It's ridiculous.
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>>166570222
>>166572034
You are incredibly stupid and should feel bad.
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>>166559178
I hate you
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>>166572358
>>166573340
Seriously, the man builds fucking wheelchairs for his comatose girlfriend and would organize a goddamn parade for his daughter's birth, it's fucking great
>literally gave his life just to be friends with her
>constant spoiling
>throws festivals for you in your name
>its ok if she killed me once I still love her
>a good dad and has taken 3 daughterus under his wing
>knows women's fashion better than any of the girls
>/fit/
>is in your beck and call if you want to eat together or cuddle
>makes workshops in order to alleviate your problems
>will push you to be the best you can be because he wants to not because he needs to
>would strangle people who shittalks about you
>loyal enough to go to a suicide tower to see you smile again
He can even work as a trap waifu, it's nuts
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>>166573494
Lol, sure. He is desperate for pussy so he keeps acting big, but in the end his feelings of love are one of the weakest in the series.
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>>166558671
What the fuck is even "waifubait"? Any female character actually worth a shit or what?
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>>166574439
After knowing the MC for 2 months, she thinks that the moment where she jumps to die for him is the moment she was born for. She also agrees to be his 2nd wife and acts like a slut around him.
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>>166574439
Any female character you don't like. Preferably popular to stroke your contrarian boner.
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>>166574439
It's nothing. It doesn't exist.
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>>166574500
What a way to ruin the character.
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Rem is garbage.
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>>166574500
Hello animeonly
>2 months is not enough time to fall in love with someone
Okay
>acts like a slut around him
Remember that time when emilia didn’t even love Subaru back and she was completely okay with him getting her pregnant?
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>>166577067
Rem didn't just fall in love with him, she became his fucking slave puppy.
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>>166577530
Then why didn’t she accept his offer?
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>>166577834
She is a waifubait who is happy to be a 2nd wife.
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>>166577891
She isn’t a Waifubait and she isn’t happy to be the 2nd wife.

Really since Subaru proposed to her first wouldn’t that make her the first wife, it’s arc 5 and he hasn’t advanced his relationship with Emilia at all.
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>waifubait
>not Emilia
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>>166578501
“People” call Rem a waifubait because if you read Re:Zero there’s a 50% chance she is your favorite character. She might actually be a Waifubait in a way because you can’t help but love her.
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>>166578641
But it wasn't a conscious effort, a bait has to be a bait rather than fish spontaneously jumping out of water in your basket
Emilia is overdesigned to be likeable and to engineer endearment and is (sloppily) shilled to death by the story, an epitome waifubait that is so blatant in the attempt that fails to garner appreciation for the most part because even the average audience can tell so
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>>166578741
There is always a conscious effort for characters to be liked, the difference here is that Rem’s character is organic and alive while Emilia is calculated and “cold”. Waifubait isn’t even a real term with a solid definition, it’s just a buzz word these retards spam. The author wanted Rem to be popular so he made her cute and gave her a personality people would like to read.
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Remfags are honestly very pathetic.
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>>166559119
More a collection of archetypes than a character, I assume.
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>>166559346
>if he showed unconditional love

He does. Subaru is willing to do as many insane things for Emilia, a love that baffles innumerable viewers, as Rem is willing to do for Subaru. Difference is that men are expected to sacrifice themselves for those they love whilst Tumblr believes that any woman who does the same is "waifubait."
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Rem is pure garbage.
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>>166580466
does this make Emilia worse than trash?
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>>166581187
Emilia is more of a cardboard cutout than a character for most the series. Arcs 1-3 wouldn’t change much if she was replaced with a literal blow up doll.
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>>166558934
Umm im sorry sweetie but you're wrong.
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>>166558671
>What's up with reply-bait these days? Why do they make it so blatant?
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>>166582364
Choke on your waifubait's horn, Remfag.
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>>166582364
Fuck off.
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>>166558671
Sales.
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Rem is so shit.
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The poster counter isn’t going up, why are you so mad about Rem that you have to sit here bumping your shitty thread where you ignore all arguments and just spam buzzwords like Remfag and waifubait? Why are you so invested in this? It’s obvious you didn’t read the novels and the anime was years ago so why are you still mad people like one of the series biggest characters?
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>>166586397
Your waifubait is garbage.
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>>166586566
You got me. She’s garbage. But her personality or her design isn’t the only reason she’s popular. It’s the relationship she forms with Subaru; how she came to embody Subaru’s weakness, you know the thing that reminds the audience that Subaru is a character instead of a blank robot to self insert as.
>Pushing the door open, Subaru slowly treads into the room.
>A room where time remains still. Inside that plain place is a bed—and upon it, a sleeping girl. Stripped of her familiar maid outfit, wrapped in a pale blue nightgown.
>Her eyes closed, not even her breathing is audible. Only the quiet thumping of her heartbeat provided the meagre proof that she was yet tied to existence.
>Subaru: “...Rem.”
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>>166586877
>It’s the relationship she forms with Subaru
That's exactly what makes her a waifubait.
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>>166586877
>Rem imposter: “No, no no. Please listen, Subaru-kun! I, I was wrong. Just, I couldn't bear watching you in suffering... and so, I merely, I wanted you to forget the pain and rest for now, that was all!”
>Subaru: “I'll let you see my weakness. I'll let you see my frailty. I'll let you see that I'm a pathetic, worthless bastard. —But I'll never let you see me giving up.”
>Subaru is a hero, Rem had said.
>I will act being as Rem's hero, Natsuki Subaru had decided.
>Ever since they shared their promise, Subaru had resolved.
>—That in this world, this universe, the only time he could show his weakness, was when with Rem.
>When with the Rem who knew Subaru was weak, but even so believed in his efforts to act with strength, was the only time Subaru could go without hiding the fact he was weak.
>Not to Emilia, not to Beatrice, not to anyone else could he show it.
>The only person could a Subaru who needed to be strong show his weakness to was Rem.
>Subaru: “My weakness belongs to Rem. She hides all of my weakness, and in exchange even if I have to grapple it in tight, I'm not letting my surrender happen.”
>Rem imposter: “—”
>Subaru: “Fuck off, you fake. —Don't goddamn coddle me wearing my Rem's face and voice!”
>That firmly declared, Subaru jabs his fist out at Rem—at the imposter.

>>166586948
There’s more to her relationship than her needing cock you know, and a loose definition of “in relationship with MC” makes the term waifubait lose all its luster. The term was suppose to define character specially geared for otaku purityfags, characters that have the cookie cutter “naive”, “innocent”, and “discriminated against but still kind to everyone” that trigger their white knight instincts.

Waifubait doesn’t mean anything anymore. You could break every character into some sort of -bait.
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>>166587221
Rem is a waifubait. Deal with it. End of discussion.
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>>166587319
Okay and Subaru is a husbandobait. A surprising (it’s really not that surprising) amount of women self insert as Rem for Subaru.
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>>166586877
The series became shit the moment Subaru became a husbandobait because of another waifubait.
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Stop bumping this thread faggots.
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>>166587633
That started in Arc 2 when he realized the amount of chemistry between Rem and Subaru. If you read any of the Arc 2-3 side stories it’s all building Subaru and Rem’s Relationship. Because Rem I believe he starting writing all of Subaru’s husbando traits like crossdressing, fathering abilities, and generally how he started going out of his way to do things for Rem.

>>166587810
Why not? And have this shitposting spill into the eventual arc 5 WN chapter thread?
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>>166558671
Stop talking shit about my wife you fuck.
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>>166590041
>your wife
She’s not yours. You never had her.
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>>166590191
Lies
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>>166558671
Because it makes money.

>>166570140
You're dumb. There's very clearly characters that are designed to be more attractive to a general audience and seem more like "wife material", having qualities one would find desirable in a romantic partner.

Like think of the difference between these two characters:
a) a character that acts like a bitch
b) a character the acts like a bitch to hide her true feelings for the protagonist

The second clearly is meant to appeal to people who self insert themselves onto MCs or just imagine themselves in a relationship with a fictional character.

Not bitching, but the idea that there aren't characters designed to be waifu bait is like saying there isn't food designed to be addictive. You're just wrong.
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>>166558671
Waifubait is a stupid term. The entire concept is stupid. It has always been the goal of writers and animators to make their characters appealing. If they succeed in their primary goal, we just call it "baiting"? What the fuck is that.
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>>166591828
there is no 'bait' though
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>>166594734
Lies
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Emilia > Rem. Fact.
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>>166597274
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Only Rem can make her fans burned down an artist's house just because he drew a NTR doujin of her
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>>166593796
It means "this girl is more popular than my favorite and I'm mad about it."
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>>166597620
For real?
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>>166593796
>strawmanning waifubait into "hurr any likable character"

Waifubaits are made to sell merchandise because waifufags drive the industry. It is truly funny that merchandise baiting in movies and television has been recognized for decades but when a weeb term is thrown in it is suddenly something entirely different.
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>>166591828
The idea that making a love interest appealing enough that the reader wants the protagonist to up with them is somehow a negative is ridiculous.
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>>166597620
>>166597681
No, it was an accident.
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>>166597765
In that case Rem might be the worst example of waifubait since Emilia was supposed to be the money maker.
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>>166598029
Yeah right.
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Remfags are super pathetic... Liking a shit waifubait...
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>>166559119
"Female character I dislike also I'm a retard from /v/". It's a useful word.
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Rem is shit.
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>4,000 posts about Rem being shit later

We get it. You're hip. Your waifu isn't shit.
Your opinion isn't shit. We should trust everything you say. You're knowledgeable. Definitely.
We get it. Loud and clear.
Just too busy laughing at you to notice.




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