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What'll his next masterpiece with MAPPA be about?
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Cool glasses.
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I now know what I would look like if I was asian.
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>>166563131
yeah right, dream on.
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>>166562755

Homoeroticism and pterodactyl noises
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He still needs to make a yaoi
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>>166562755
Utena remake
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>>166562755
Something about lesbians
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>>166564012
>>166564044
I sure do fucking hope so. Maybe it just hits too close to home for him to focus a series entirely on Male homosexuality.
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>>166562755
Who cares? It's Ikuhara, his anime can be about anything.
I'm just ready for more storyboard porn.
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>>166564012
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>>166562755
About some Gary Stu stalked by a hobo director
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>>166562755
>next masterpiece
>next
what was the first one
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carl marks
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>>166562755
Gay men that turn into lesbians
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>>166564506
As expected of the master.
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>>166562755
Sacrifice
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The industry being <1 cour these days I am not faithful he'll be able to make it work
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>>166564245
Cute family photo
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>>166564679
Penguindrum was 2-cour
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>>166564710
>these days
And utena was 3 cour
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>>166564720
I dunno MAPPA has done a significant amount of 2-cour stuff recently.
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>>166562755
Something less melodramatic like Penguindrum and more dreamy like Utena
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>>166564682
You wish, Anno.
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>>166562755
A better question is where will he draw the most influence from?
>utena = princess knight
>penguindrum = night on the galactic railroad
>lesbian bears = ????
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>>166564876
>lesbian bears = ????
Horror films like Suspiria and Psycho. And probably this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankebetsu_brown_bear_incident
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>>166564228
IKUHARA IS GAY?!?!!
WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!?!?
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>>166565102
Not that anon, but he's not married. I rather think he's probably bi though, because pic related.
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>>166564876
>princess knight
Just looked this up. This looks like trash
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>>166565136
>bi
Such a meme sexuality that does not exist. You're confusing it with asexuality most likely. And fourteen year olds don't know real love so that confession meant nothing. Probably confessed to her because she wore a frilly dress he wanted to put on or something equally non-romantic.
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But how gay will it be?
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>>166565214
shut the fuck up
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>>166565268
thank you, captain tumblr.
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>>166565294
convinced me you did not
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>>166565324
Literally nothing tumblr about it dude. Stop being so in denial.
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>>166565329
I'm not trying to convince you of anything? it's probably the most influential series on shoujo manga/anime.
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>>166565369
>but it's influential
That's how I know you've nothing of value to say about the actual show. With that logic we should study his parents because they influenced how he came to be as-well. Why not watch a 24/7 first-person pov of Ikuhara! All that influence! See how retarded you sound? I hope you do.
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>>166565430
>. Why not watch a 24/7 first-person pov of Ikuhara! All that influence! See how retarded you sound? I hope you do.

I would love to see that
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>>166565136

He's married and has daughters tho IIRC
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>>166565629
source
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>>166565430
no need to get so heated, what I said is still true.
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>>166565975
It doesn't tell me anything though. It's inherently worthless.
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>>166565956

Threads back when yuribears started airing, so take it with a grain of salt.
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>>166566106
It didn't seem like you were looking to learn anything in the first place, to be honest.
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>>166566200
Then don't talk
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>>166566225
No
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>>166566244
This is what I mean. Just don't do it.
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>>166566264
I said no thanks.
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>>166566344
Then why do you keep doing it? You're just bumping my thread at this point. You're unintelligent you know that right?
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>>166566396
>my thread
Nice try, this is my thread.
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>>166566433
You're unintelligent. You know that right?
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>>166566444
Why are you so rude?
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>>166566455
I'm actually being kind, did you know that?
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>>166566468
You're being rude, but you already knew that.
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>>166564285
lololol
I know you are trolling, but I am a sucker.

actually, has Ikuhara written anything that has failed? I didn't like Yurikuma Arashi, but I also didn't finish it
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>>166564009
I don't even know who he is to get the context of your reply. I actually don't even know if your dream on comment is a joke or if you're being serious, because I don't know how good looking or not good looking he actually is outside of this comical photo.

He just looks oddly like me in this photo.
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>>166565136
Where can I read the interviews and/or DVD commentary? Does the Otori have it?
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>>166564763
>>166564720
>>166564679
what does cour mean? seasons? or 13 episode chunks?
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>>166566481
You're just unintelligent and yet you keep talking. Doesn't that make you the rude chick? Once you've said even one thing of value. Something even remotely intelligent. People will notice you.
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>>166565629
Anno must be permanently butthurt
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>>166566526
Stop being mean already.
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>>166566542
Not your safespace.
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>>166566557
Yes it is my safespace.
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>>166566519
A "lurk more" isn't near enough for you, holy shit.
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Purple is the color of the Duel Named Revolution. It is the antithesis of yellow, which is adoration. What is adoration? It is looking up to the object of one’s love, putting them on a pedestal, worshiping them, perhaps not even noticing how that degrades yourself. It is the princess, the Nanami, the one who plays by the rules and is accepted by society as “good,” no matter what she’s really like.

Purple is hate.

Purple is the witch.

Purple is what they’ve all been fighting for all along.

It is that which dwells in the castle.

It is something shining: the morning star, the deceptive beauty, the light which casts the shadow.

It is the power of miracles: the terrible sacrifice, the dark magic of blood and death.

It is something eternal: suffering that never ends.

It is the revolution of the world: the apocalypse.

Purple is the end of innocence. It is corruption and it is maturation. It is stasis and it is change. It is Da’at, the terrible black abyss that is nonetheless the path to enlightenment.

Purple is time.

Purple is putrefaction, the endless decay that endlessly brings forth life.

Purple is Anthy.
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>>166565268
pretty sure that a person who has sex with both genders is the exact opposite of a person who has sex with none.
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>>166566563
lurk more
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>>166566574
no
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>>166565214
you are deeply mistaken. even taking into account that the show is from the 60s
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>>166566571
>I do not understand sexuality yet call people whom I do not know bisexual
Duly noted. Next time you try to sell your delusions as fact I'll be reminded you exist

>>166566611
Elaborate
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>>166566632
>Elaborate
Not him, but why does anyone need to prove anything to you? You either read the manga for yourself, or you don't.
Making a dumb surface-level criticism of something you know nothing about in the first place doesn't deserve engagement.
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>>166566698
1 cour = between 10-14 episodes
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>>166566729
>make a claim
>can't back it up
Thought as much.
>doesn't deserve engagement
So you were just shitposting. Got it. Have a last (You) then. Enjoy!
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>>166566632
when something gets called "influential", especially by the creators who were influenced by it, that pretty much guarantees it's not trash. Even if it's flawed, or not as good as what came after, the fact that it sparked the imagination of so many excellent creators means that it deserves some kind of careful consideration. certainly more than just a quick Google search.

and, anyway, I have watched the show, so I know it's not trash. I am not telling you what to think, but I don't think you got a good sense of the show, if you care calling it trash so quickly
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>>166566760
thank you. i assumed that's what it meant, but I have literally never seen that word before.
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>>166566814
>that pretty much guarantees it's not trash
Nope. Strike one. You're out
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>>166566809
>a claim
I never made a claim, I'm not even the anon you were talking too.
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>>166566632
>>166566809
>>166566858
are you the same guy who was throwing an autistic fit about children's anime in that miyazaki thread the other day?
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bumping because Utena is one of the most beautiful works of art I have ever seen, and I like Ikuhara's chin
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>>166566510
They're on reddit.
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>>166566890
Where's the argument?
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super annoyed that the Blu Ray box set has been delayed. all I wanted for Christmas was a Rose Signet ring
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>>166566510
>>166566959
Here's another source. On tumblr.
http://louchan.tumblr.com/post/88691972837/ikuharas-episode-commentary-all-episode-posts-1
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>>166566989
let it go. people have been patient and carefully explained things to that guy. he came into the thread to start shit.
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>>166567045
Should I just have not replied to you then? since clearly you reply to my post yet aren't replying to the post I want you to reply to
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>>166566937
https://youtu.be/IJT5i5NmONc
I didn't like the movie much but the OST and the new design of Ohtori were fucking gorgeous.
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>>166566487
>muh repeating the same sequence every episode
utena is a shitty show for pretentious post modernists

>has Ikuhara written anything that has failed?
>Yurikuma Arashi
why ask a question if you're going to answer it yourself
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>>166562755
Something with lesbians probably.
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>>166566814
Which successful work was actually influenced by Ikuhara's self-masturbatory nonsense?
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>>166567481
Dunno man. I liked it.
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>>166567481
I'm still gonnna buy the Blu Rays, anyway
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>>166567536
not an argument
nobody cares if you like something of not
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>>166566937
utena is more artistic. I hope he gets the budget to do something like end of utena again

but pengdruindrum is better overall. its fucking heartbreaking and has more time to delve into the characters.

I like the duelists but they each get so little time its hard to relate to them deeply. ironically nanami is probably the most sympathetic duelist
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>>166567528
I thought Princess Knight was the influential one. I mean, I have no doubt that Utena inspired a lot of creators. It was part of the Post-Eva craze, though, so it's probably tough to point out anything specifically.

Princess Knight, on the other hand, either created, or revolutionized the Shoujo genre. I forget which. it inspired a ton of creators, not the least of which: Kunihiko Ikuhara
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>>166567481
>postmodernism
nigger I hate faggots and niggers but if you overlook the gratuitous faggotry hten its not really very postmodern. liberal, yes, but he corrected that in penguindrum. pengruindrum is more or less reactionary, sasuga japan
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>>166567560
You say that. But it doesn't seem that way.
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>>166567560
why are you doing this? there is so much love and beauty in the world... why not go enjoy some of it? open yourself up to love, man
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my favorite thing about the movie is that only half of it is real. it is all a metaphor for the changes happening inside the characters. the characters are real, and interacting, but the school, the duels, the Utenamobile, its all an illusion.

probably.
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>>166567722
>there is so much love and beauty in the world... why not go enjoy some of it?
I could same the same about you watching ikuhara's degenerate garbage
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>>166566843
Newfag piece of shit.
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>>166567545
but does it come with a prince?
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>>166568373
>degenerate
Hello /pol/
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>>166567481
>post modernists
I don't think that you understand what that means
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>>166568611
Doesn't that mean movies that have homos in them?
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>>166567595
>but pengdruindrum is better overall. its fucking heartbreaking and has more time to delve into the characters.
You got to be kidding me.
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>>166568688
He's correct though.
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>>166568796
lol if you think Utena characters aren't better than Penguindrum.
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>>166568688
utena is about puberty

pengruindrum is about generational sin and people that have no chance in life. its fucking unbelievably dark. japanese believe in karma. because of their ties together all three of them are paying for the sins of shoumas parents

penguindrum doesnt even TRY to refute it. ikuhara probably believe it is true on a deep level. penguindrum is about accepting the punishment

utena is snappier and doesnt go as overboard on the symbolism but utena gets like, three entire episodes out of 39. her development is not strong
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>>166569008
High tier bait. 8/10 well crafted. I especially liked the part where you mention that pengruindrum is better because its darker.
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>>166568688
He means it plays more like a modern drama and easier to digest. Seems accurate for a pleb.
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>>166569084
this is about the characters

utena looks at characters that have easy to solve problems. it is good but no profound. e.g. "talk to her" solves 90% of it

penguindrum looks at characters that have no solution. it is more realistic, therefore, the discussion more nuanced and more applicable to real life. therefore, yes, better

there is no "talk to her" or "kill the evil dude" in penguindrum. the conflict is complicated and barely even understood by the characters (this is on purpose)
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>>166569658
More like it's possible to empathize with the characters and situations in penguindrum rather than utena and its joke tier caricatures like mr "keikaku doori puppet master big bad villain". One can be taken seriously to its full extent, the other is more like a parody.
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>>166569777
>there is no "talk to her" or "kill the evil dude" in penguindrum.
Neither there is in Utena. If you think Anthy could have just talked to anyone about her problems you significantly missed most of what Utena was criticizing or eventhe depth of Anthy's character.

>penguindrum looks at characters that have no solution. it is more realistic, therefore, the discussion more nuanced and more applicable to real life. therefore, yes, better
What the fuck does it even.

>>166569804
>joke tier caricatures like mr "keikaku doori puppet master big bad villain"
lol, are you sure you are not talking about Sanetoshi.
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>>166569850
>le anthy is helpless ecks dee
the ending is literally anthy taking control of her future by just leaving. just leave ohtori nigga

>the fuck even
I told you. it's about generational sin and punishment. by holding onto himari shouma and kanba continued to maker her suffer. she could only be free if they let go of her and stopped their unhealthy family arrangment.

there is also the aspect of himari leading kanba on in order to stay close to them. none of them ever admtited their true feelings (obviously unhealthy)

there is no solution hereby they all continue the unhealthy arrangement. ikuhara is tryingto tell people to not engage in ish fulfillment.
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>>166569777
I might be willing to write out a whole post on why you are wrong if you understood english well enough to give a decent reply, but your posts seem to indicate otherwise.

> the discussion more nuanced and more applicable to real life. therefore, yes, better
You write like some retard nip or seanigger and youre making no sense. So because you can apply themes from the anime as a commentary on the sarin attacks that instantly means its more 'nuanced'. It comes down to you liking the darker edgier tone of peguindrum, thats it. Nothing to do with nuance or conflict, you just think that its somehow more mature because its darker, which is fucking gay and chunni as hell.
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>>166562755
>mappa
>masterpiece
Get a brain.
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>>166570051
What did he mean by this?
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>>166569850
Sanetoshi isn't some puppet master that approached the protagonists as a child years before to put some big plan into motion and then puts a secret mole next to her so he could pull the strings the whole time and pulls the strings of everyone in the show secretly like some lelouche character because he knows eveything.

Sanetoshi almost got killed by Momoka the first time he tried to carry out his attacks and upon coming back, the best he could do was make use of what he had which was Kanba by pretending to prolong Himari's life.
Sanetoshi is barely even a factor, the antagonist of penguindrum is fate, something Sanetoshi had nothing to do with really, he didn't single out anyone in the family. Himari was fated to be child broiled, before shouma saved her. Shouma was fated to be boxed, before Kanba saved him. The family is fated to suffer after the terrorist attacks. No puppet master pulling anyones strings here. Just circumstances.
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>>166570032
the character relationships are more realistic you fucking nigger. I never mentioned anything not directly related to their development.

yes, realistic characters are better. the entire fucking goal of fiction is to make the characters realistic and to have their emotional conflicts apply to people in real life

none of that has any relation to sarin gas attacks

are you a fucking idiot
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Why's there so much hostility in this Ikuni thread?
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>>166570147
the entire point is that from the very moment shouma got saved, he began perpetuating the sins of his parents. he thought if he just didn't do anything bad he could be freed from karma, but he isnt free until the end, until he accepts the punishment. people like him are inherently a danger to society

ikuhara is trying to say that improvisational families are fucking dangerous as all hell. the cult is a fake family. shouma and himari, another fake family, create kanba, and kanba goes and tries to kill more people.

sanetoshi is just a representation of temptation

people cant accept that shouma and himari created kanba but its true. in the end shouma and kanba are, in different degrees, the 'villains" hence they need to die at the end

ikuhara says in commentary that society is not the guilty for trying to protect itself, but that he hopes people can fnd meaning in proven things, rather than fake and destructive arrangements
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>>166570154
All you have said in regards to the characters is that "penguindrum looks at characters that have no solution" and somehow that translates into more 'realistic'. Again, all youre saying over and over is "they deal with dark stuff so its more real!"

Ok, so you related more to peguindrum because it was better suited to your ADHD, thats fine.
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>>166570001
>the ending is literally anthy taking control of her future by just leaving. just leave ohtori nigga
You are a fucking idiot. By that logc Shouma and Kanba's problems could have been solved if they just talked too.
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>Penguindrum is better than utena
>Everyone forgot about it
>Meanwhile Utena gets reccomended 20 years later
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>>166565136
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>>166570946
you're a nigger

shouma had been starving to death before being saved and himari had a disease

real human problems. not adolescent complaining
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>>166571780
Yeah, and Utena was fucking suicidal and Anthy was a rape victim.
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>>166572220
she literally seduced dios in an attempt to preserve his innocence

did you even pay attention? anthys magic literally keeps ohtori going.
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>>166565102
Haven't you seen his hair? I knew he was without even anyone confirming it, I mean have you seen Utena? Black Rose Arc, the ending of it? The show has cute girls though.
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>>166572279
>did you even pay attention? anthys magic literally keeps ohtori going.
Did you? Do you understand she's literally an housewife trapped in an abusive relationship that literally don't know anything else and has been demonized by the outside world?

Then again you think DARK and EDGIER make penguindrum shit characters better.
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>>166569008
>pengruindrum is about generational sin and people that have no chance in life. its fucking unbelievably dark. japanese believe in karma. because of their ties together all three of them are paying for the sins of shoumas parents
>penguindrum doesnt even TRY to refute it. ikuhara probably believe it is true on a deep level. penguindrum is about accepting the punishment

I remember there was an anecdote of Ikuhara discovering a news story of a U.S. family who was willing to forgive their father who was just released from jail
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>>166564228
Are you assuming Ikuhara's gender?
tumblr
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>>166572300
did you literally miss the entire second half of the series?

dios committed some sort of sin, and got chased out by villagers

anthy protected him and used her magic to curse others and enable dios predation. anthyh urts just as many people as akio. it is voluntary

the entire point is that you cant blame others for your being abused if you enable them

I bet you think all men are rapists
>>166572513
interesting. post it if you can.

I never read that. but he talked a lot about people blaming society inapporpriately (they are also victims defending themselves)
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>>166568611
how the fuck is ikuhara not post modern?
only weird frenchies, retards and shit artists that need bad philosophy to justify their failures think post modernism is good
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>>166570001
>just leave ohtori nigga

How can one go on with a show almost 16 hours long and not get the main point about the projection of models as the drive of people's illussions (shown in a quite explicit manner) and how alternative models (Utena's sacrifice in direct discrepancy to the Prince/patriarch) make for different lifestyles? I mean, it was definitely weaker than the movie's explosion of sex, but that's the whole point of it.
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>>166573514
>the entire point is that you cant blame others for your being abused if you enable them
No, the point is that you can't blame others for your being abused if you don't allow yourself to be saved. Both you and >>166572300 are idiots.
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>>166573514
>dios committed some sort of sin, and got chased out by villagers
Dios didn't commit any sin, Dios was dying because a prince that saves everyone cannot exists in a sensible reality, it's a criticism on society's expectations on men and how we shouldn't expect our heroes to be perfect.

Anthy was the only one who actually cared and truly loved him, and because of that was demonized by society.
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>>166573763
anthy is the one operating the projector

literally

akio had no magic. the magic belonged to anthy

anthy shapeshifted. anthy trapped dios in a place only she could access him.

ikuhara doesnt criticise patriarchy. touga and saionji are dumb tools and akio is just as trapped

anthy pulls the strings FOR akio. akio is dependent on her emotionally

utena "leaving" ohtori represents her not needing to be a man any longer. masculinity is not strength, to ikuhara

ikuhara makes da poosay the one thing every fucking character is obsessed and tortured by. the girls are in control, not hte men.

you are just a braindead third ave feminist that think girls can never do bad things
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>>166573854
sensible and noted

anthy is still in control though. ikuhara is rather critical of her
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>>166573854
If they're not perfect they're not heroes. And yes that means that there are no heroes.
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>>166573883
Never negated that Anthy was the one that managed the images Akio wanted to show. But going from Prince/Anthy codependence to Anthy having the upper hand in the power dynamics is a severe misreading, since it's always Akio's will that predates Anthy's actions.

Anthy is complicit, thus, her motivation is a conformism that I've seen in many long-lasting relationships, a "nothing was going to be better anyway" UNTIL Utena decides to do something drastic, becoming an alternative model of power against the debilitating Akio (which defines the resolution, the "escape from the castle to another" of Adolescence after Akio's inability to turn up the car). This complicity is "bad", but asking of "bad" and "good" in Utena is like missing the forest for the trees.

>ikuhara doesnt criticise patriarchy. touga and saionji are dumb tools and akio is just as trapped
That sounds like a criticism of patriarchy to me, anon.

>you are just a braindead third ave feminist that think girls can never do bad things
Spare the commonalities and insults, please.
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>>166574042
But Utena was an hero and she saved not just Anthy, but everyone.
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>>166574239
>Utena was an hero
She was an hero allright.
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>>166562755
Some common French themes or an abstract modern setting.
Taboo romance at some point.
Trying to write something like you've done drugs without having ever actually had them.
Somehow manages to be decent in it's conclusion.
Pulleys.
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>>166562755
I’d like to see how he’d handle a mecha anime.
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>>166574149
anthy can just leave. she DID just leave. nothing trapped her there but herself. no "oppression" trapped her

people like you'd blame stalin's genocidal murder campaign on "internalised gender roles"

fucking get real

people trap themselves. no one is helpless unless you are a starving ugandan orphan or something. stop blaming other people
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>>166574315
Adolescence of Utena's ending should tell us.
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>>166574330
>people like you'd blame stalin's genocidal murder campaign on "internalised gender roles"
Kulaks deserved it.
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>>166574330
Not him but Anthy couldn’t have JUST left. She was a victim to her own thoughts AND her own situation. She was stuck in a loop and only Utena managed to break it.
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>>166574330
>nothing trapped her there but herself. no "oppression" trapped her

You're missing the point of my argument and that of the word oppression (which I never used, by the way). "Internalised gender roles" is all the ending is about.

"She DID just leave" completely misreads what the ending was about, did you slept through the entire episode and watched just the epilogue? And that second line is just atrocious!
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>>166574277
>Pulleys
Not again...
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>>166574405
Stablishing her as a victim is oversimplifying it, too. She did cooperate out of desperation, she "could have just left". The reason why she doesn't is the meat of her character.
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>>166574149
>there are people who believe that Utena was about feminism

It's about social prejudice and perception. The idea that a person can be good or bad based solely on what label you give them is what the show criticises. People demonise Anthy solely because they don't understand her, meanwhile people overlook Utena's flaw solely because they don't understand how selfish she is. By actually attempting to fit the characters into neat little categories such as the "patriarchy" rather than viewing them as individuals, you become the very type of person that the show despises.
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>>166574618
>Utena is about social prejudice and perception.
Correct.

However, I never said Utena was "about" feminism whatsoever. Patriarchy is not a neat little category, it's something that the show breathes, meaning, how do you even begin to analyze Anthy's position as the bride, her behaviour or her relation to Akio (and the power structure it conceives in every supposed cycle that has been seemingly going on for ages), the projection of models, the figure of the Prince as an ideal, the phallus tower and its disgregation in Adolescence or the whole ending without pointing out at essentialy patriarchal structures?
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>>166574373
they did not. go kill yourself

>>166574437
utena literally breaks free of ohtori by BECOMING an adult female

she figured out she doesnt ned to be a man to be strong because she is not a man, nd can never be one

she embraces her gender role in the end. fucking LOOK at anthys clothes as she leaves
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>>166574784
You've got to remember that the show is about adolescents (people aged 13-17), and how to that age bracket, sex is everything because of puberty. Everyone at that age wants to have sex because they believe it will give them social validation and make them an adult. It therefore makes sense that around such people, Akio would be a god since sleeping around is part of his identity.

Ohtori is not a place with any real adults in it, which means that graduating from it (which also means realising that there's more to life than sex) is needed for a person to become mature.
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>>166574807
>utena literally breaks free of ohtori by BECOMING an adult female

Absolutely correct, but that is in no way a reason to think an adult female is abiding gender roles (in this case, subjugation to the Prince). In her failure to become a Prince, Utena became an alternative, viable model to Anthy to get away from Akio (pink clothes, duly noted). That has been my main point since my first post.

>>166574933
I agree with this. It's kinda funny, I always thought most of the characters (especially the male ones) were around early 20s. The majority of the characters really look over their actual age, specially the guy who follows Touga's sister. Mawaru Penguindrum's characters do look like teens.
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I loved Utena when I watched it for the first time, and when I rewatched, years later, it probably became my favorite anime of all time. I hope his new anime is good as well, since I felt that YuriKuma didn't have enough time to do what it wanted to do.
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>>166574807
>>166574618
>>166574330
You sound like someone who's decided that feminism is about women wanting to be like men, and that a woman saying 'No, I am a woman' and standing up for herself without sacrificing her femininity DESTROOOOYS feminism or whatever.

You also sound as though you couldn't stand the show and/or got very little from it.
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>>166575464
The anons quoted are clearly two, and they seem to quite enjoy the show. Just for different reasons than yours or mine.
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>>166575522
Yeah I fucked up and quoted the wrong post in the middle, I only meant to address the nocaps guy. I stand by what I said about him getting nothing from it.
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>>166575393
It'll be pure fanservice:
- Utena: no fanservice whatsoever
- Penguindrum: very little fanservice
- Yurikuma: lots of fanservice
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"I watch Mawaru Penguindrum." The class is shocked at my overwhelming intelligence. "...how? I can't even understand its sheer nuance and subtlety." "Well... SEIZON SENRYAKU!" One student laughs, and I turn to see who the fellow genius is. It's none other than Kinoko Nasu.
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>>166571657
that is the sexy way, shabadabo
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>>166573685
then define post modern without naming da joos, if you think that ikuhara is one.
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>>166574315
>lesbian pilots who assert their dominance over each other by "sword-fighting" in giant mechs

I'd watch it.
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>ikuhara probably took anno's virginity
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>>166570370
>ikuhara is trying to say that improvisational families are fucking dangerous as all hell. the cult is a fake family. shouma and himari, another fake family, create kanba, and kanba goes and tries to kill more people.
>people cant accept that shouma and himari created kanba but its true. in the end shouma and kanba are, in different degrees, the 'villains" hence they need to die at the end
I've never thought it that way but if that was Ikuhara's intention, it fell flat for the simple reason of Shouma never attempting at killing anybody. Being a little clingy is not the same to mass murder. Not including Shouma was starting to moving on to outside the house with his relationship with Ringo until the terrorist plot happened. Also, Kanba brought it to himself. Going for death of the author, Kanba wanted to be the saviour of the family because he wants Himari's gratitude and to feel as the Takakuras's real son. Shouma offered help but Kanba always denied it and at the end, Kanba knew Shouma wasn't into mass murder because he wasn't a sociopath. Penguindrum's ending just left a bad taste on my mouth
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Maybe yuri mecha? Or, something mecha related he tried to add mecha in Penguindrum with the bears Santoshi used to blow up the train station and he wrote a mecha novel once.

Whatever it is, it sure to have some allegory and commentary on whatever issue he felt he had to say something on.
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>>166578031
Hope you're ready for the Kawoshin end in the final Rebuild.
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>>166578031
You wish, Anno
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>>166562755
It's going to be about a Japanese tourist in L.A. suddenly thrust into a life or death situation where he is riding bus, and if that bus goes slower than 50mph it will blow up.
it's romantic comedy
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>>166578118
The question is what is there left for Ikuni to comment on?

He clearly crammed his entire worldview and life philosophy into Utena, probably thinking that it may be the last thing he'd ever get total creative control over. Penguindrum was about his opinion on the Sarin gas attacks of '95, and YKA was about his opinion on gays.
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Was Yuri Kuma Arashi good?
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>>166578577
only if you are very inteligent
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>>166578577
If by good you mean lewd, then yes.
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>>166578577
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuDeEBDwkG4
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>>166575393
Utena is the one show I think really improves exceptionally on rewatch.
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>>166578577
It was beary gay
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>>166579635
The bear puns in the threads were unbearable.
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>>166580345
Unbearivable.
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>>166580345
They were pretty cringy in the show too. I had to paws the episode so I could faceplam.
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>>166570199
Ikuhara attracts many angry fags that like to have catfights over their favorite anime gay anime
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It does indeed.
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>>166578577
It was great but unwatchable.
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>>166578346
Ikuni's opinion on Ikuni's opinion
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>>166578346
Ikuni's opinion on image boards.
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>>166581037
He probably enjoys shitposting about his own shows
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>>166581184
Explains this thread.
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I don't care what it's about, I just hope he's spent the time to flesh out the script. Penguindrum was almost an all time classic, but by the ending his making shit up as he went along caught up with him and it was too messy. Still beautiful because his direction was as great as ever, but it could have been so much more. Yuri Kuma also didn't seem ready for production - it tried to cram in way too much and needed pruning down.
Mappa making it suggests it will have a decent budget compared to what he's been doing lately, so that's good. Yuri Kuma really suffered in that department. His visuals deserve splashy treatment.
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>>166581470
>Penguindrum
Wasn't that because he changed direction halfway through? Originally it was supposed to be about the sarin attack on the Tokyo subway, but then the 2011 earthquake happened and it was about family.
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>>166562755
Always and always lesbians

lesbian have good relationship skills with each other that's why Ikuhara is very good at that.
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>>166581805
That's just speculation as far as I know.
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>>166582413
might be interesting
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>>166581470
Honestly, I thought the Penguindrum ending was 10/10. The second half of the show is weaker than the first, but that final episode had me bawling.
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>>166583495
I think the final episode is fantastic, because it's a mostly audio/visual experience and the direction is amazing, but the way the various plot threads build to it in the final stretch of episodes is weak.
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>>166582413
He went to France recently and answered a few questions about it. Interview from here : https://www.manga-news.com/index.php/actus/2018/11/27/Interview-de-Kunihiko-Ikuhara-Utena-Mawaru-Penguindrum-Sailor-Moon-Yurikuma-Arashi

Quick translation:

>One of MP's importants themes is family. The MCs are a reconstructed family trying to become a real one. What did you want to show with that aspect?

Ikunii: My goal was to show another form of family with the series, to show that the notion of family evolved in recent years and that similar cases to this one exist.

>The series has amongst its inspirations some of the biggest disasters in Japan, like the sarin attack...

It was intentional, I really did it for that.

>We can guess that there was the impact of march 11. How did this tragedy influence the writing of MP?

It's a bit difficult to resume but yes, I really felt like you could modify your work depending on the current events of 2011. But, how should I say... It was more complicated than that. It's a choice that need to be done with everyone's agreement and it's not gratuitous.

>So did a few scenarios elements change along the road?

A bunch of things were erased.
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>>166584454
>My goal was to show another form of family with the series, to show that the notion of family evolved in recent years and that similar cases to this one exist.

Didn't an anon say that Ikuhara said the completely opposite thing?
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>>166584698
Does that surprise you? Ikuhara is actually too hard to understand for a lot of people as you can see from some of the stupid opinions in this thread.
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>>166565136
>Pic
That sounds like the synopsis of a fun anime.
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>>166584764
It's not about understanding, but saying that Ikuhara said it. I know the nocaps man has some wild conclusions.
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>>166565268
Stop assuming Ikuhara's sexuality is just gay, pls.
>>166566531
How can he be butthurt if he's happily married too?
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>>166584823
I'm consistently amazed how many bald faced lies are said on this website. I don't get the appeal. Baiting or acting like an asshole I understand but I've seen a lot of seemingly intentional misinformation about a ton of topics and it always puzzles me. Maybe that anon was misremembering.
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>>166585256
Found the original post:

>>166570370

As you can see, it's some wild stuff.
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>>166584852
Stop talking like a faggot. I did not assume anyone's sexuality. You're projecting.
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>>166562755
Please no insect!
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>>166585565
Spiders then.
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>>166570370
HAHAHA RETARD
>>166584454
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>>166578577
yes, don't listen to plebs who say otherwise
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>>166562755
He's very hot. No wonder Anno crushed fucking hard on him.
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>>166562755
Show entirely about 40+ year olds. Men only. All very sexual and stylized.
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>>166587034
the sexy way
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>>166578163
Anno can't let Kawoshin to happen as some kind of twisted revenge against Iku-chan
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>>166587167
I want them to fuck so they could collaborate on an anime together
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>Anno: Everyone understands that it's a fiction, but precisely because it's a fiction you have a pure feeling, you fall for the character to an even greater extent. You assume that an anime character will not betray you. Iku-chan said [to me], "in the last episode, please have Rei Ayanami get married and become pregnant. Just please betray the Ayanami fans. The Rei Ayanami they are thinking of is not real. The real Rei Ayanami gets married, and her belly..."
What's his freaking deal?
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>>166562755
how long has he had those glasses
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>>166587300
He hates waifufags even more than Anno
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>>166586269
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>>166587328
Deeper, lets go deeper.
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>>166587450
hnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggg I want him to take my rose at the end of the world, if you catch my drift
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>>166587300
The best thing is that Anno kinda did this in EoE and with her entire backstory and such.

>>166587328
What's up with those pictures in the background?
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>>166587300
wtf i love ikuhara now
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>>166587567
what pictures?
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>>166587544
>>166587450
Man, Ikuhara in his prime puts the entire male idol market to shame.
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>>166578577
It was too sexual for me but I did like the serious parts.
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>>166587567
>What's up with those pictures in the background?
shopped, here's the original
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>>166587693
>>166587669
You're making me feel like a newfag here
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No, seriously, do we have ANY info besides the studio at all?
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>>166587669
>>166587693
[gay elevator sounds intensifies]
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>>166587802
Well, by logic it's gonna be produced by Masao Maruyama I guess. But really, is there a bigger flag that the show is gonna be good than Ikuhara? And it's with a studio that is not too shabby with budgets, too.
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>>166587802
We know he was looking for a personal 'assistant'.
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Maby if Anno had just stepped up his game a notch he would've successfully seduced Ikuni to work with him on Eva in between their bathing sessions.
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>>166587544
>>166587450
You guys really have no standards do you
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>>166587300
He understand otaku very well, unlike Anno. He completely failed with Rei and she turned into everything he didn't mean to.
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>>166587300
Ikuhara is an average 4chan shitposter but also talented and crazy.
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>>166589207
>He completely failed with Rei and she turned into everything he didn't mean to.
The fanbase's at fault for misinterpreting her, not Anno.
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>>166575464
I fucking love utena but I don't think its feminist at all

>>166578096
>>166581470
people are too busy shipping to think about it

shouma is guilty too, in a sense. himari loved him from the very beginning, but he never did anything. kanbas' jealousy festered as himari continued to use him. acting innocent on the outside created kanba. shouma didn't need to kill anyone to create a killer

shouma is guilty of creating a killer and turning kanba into a lonely beast that gives everything he has nd gets nothing in return. thats the reason they need to separate at the end

kanba isnt the only guilty one. he sacrificed his entire life for the 'family' and got nothing. thats shouma/himari's fault

>>166584698
making the improv family is a sin. society is sinning

society changed but that doesnt make it good
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>>166562755
Isn't that the nazi guy from YouTube? He directs anime now?
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>>166590447
You're a retard and you're twisting both Utena and Penguindrum in your interpretations so they conform to your views.
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>>166591724
Well, the perspectives of Ikuhara's works from a christian moralist seems like something you can see only on 4chan, so I'm happy about it.




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