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>archer class servant is the strongest servant in the fourth holy grail war
>archer class servant is the strongest servant in the fifth holy grail war
Is archer the best class?
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>>166585125
The best jobber yeah
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>>166585125
>Is archer the best class?
No Sabers, have and always will be considered the strongest class. They why so many Master try to get their hands on one to give themselves a huge advantage.
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Emiya and Gil just have way more shit then everyone else to pull out of their ass.
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>>166585235
>Sabershit
>best anything
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>>166585235
Lol no. Archers are the new Sabers
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>>166585125
You mean Gil for both wars? Because Emiya is 3rd weakest in fifth
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>>166585125
Terminator is the best class
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>>166585281
I'll bite, Arthur Pendragon (male), the Knights of the Round Table, and Charlemagne outclass most Archer class servants. Excalibur + Avalon has proven to best Gil, even though he was poorly written.
>>166585401
I'll agree that Archers are probably just as if not as popular as Sabers. David is a bro.
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>>166585506
has charlemagne even fought anyone?
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>>166585587
Nope, we will find out his worth this year.
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>>166585235
I didn't imagine it when they say early on in Zero and UBW that Saber is the best class? If so I don't get it. She struggled against Lancer and Caster in Zero. UBW has the excuse that she was low on mana cause of Shiro but the only good thing about her is her noble phantasm.
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>>166585125
>Outright stated to be weaker than Berserker
>Took a major injury from a surprise attack by Saber
>Barely held off Lancer and Fake Assassin
This is bait, right?
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>>166585235
>Gets beat by a half dead Shirou
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>>166585676
I mean she didnt have Avalon in Zero so she was gimped. Plus Kerry didnt use her to he fullest ability.
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>>166585125
Strongest class servant is still homosexuality for Shinji
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>>166585746
>there could have been a Shinji route

It's just not fair mang.
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>>166585681
>Outright stated to be weaker than Berserker
Had low mana and was injured. Still killed him 6 times.
>Took a major injury from a surprise attack by Saber
And EMIYA can one shot kill Saber with a surprise attack not just injure her.
>Barely held off Lancer and Fake Assassin
His goal in those fights wasn't to win
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>>166585685
Shirou himself goes against the natural rule of servants. I dont agree that Alter should have lost based on the facts on what Alter is. but the story was written that way because Shirou is Shirou.
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>>166585817
>Had low mana and was injured. Still killed him 6 times.
Wrong he was fully healed. He clearly said it to Shirou before he got kidnapped
>And EMIYA can one shot kill Saber with a surprise attack not just injure her.
Actually as we saw in HA she can sense his sniping attack and fend it off as long as long as her dumb master isn't with her
>His goal in those fights wasn't to win
His goal when he fought Kojirou was to beat him and go after Shirou but he got his ass kicked instead
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>>166585506
>Excalibur + Avalon has proven to best Gil
first thing first Saber hasn't Avalon by default and she just got lucky that Shirou had it. Second thing she got btfo something like 10 times by Gil before and even with Avalon she needed to wait for the right timing while the golden douche was having fun trashing her.
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Archer can literally snipe one shot kill every servant in the grail war if he took it seriously.(even Lancer because caladbolg is his weaknesses).
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>>166585125
As long as you pull an Archer who doesn't use a bow and arrow.
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>>166585125
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>>166585125
>archer class servant is the strongest servant in the fifth holy grail war
>gets shat on by a Cu nerfed into the mud
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>>166585125
Both Gil and Emiya have a degree of freedom most other servants lack. They're only good assuming both the master and servant can agree on things and stick to an actual plan.
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Reading F/SN (and UBW in particular) it is overwhelmingly clear that Emiya could solo the war. Evidence to the contrary is always just author fiat of Nasu saying such-and-such is more powerful while portraying the opposite.
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>>166586037
>caladbolg is his weaknesses
only in the hands of someone from Ulster

unfortunately nippon is not ulster, so EMIYA is fucked
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Strongest class is caster, it's just that no one bothered to summon any good ones
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>>166585125
Assasin is best class he can just kill masters
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>>166586022
Which is why i commented about Gil being horribly written. That just how the shit went down, i dont agree with it but its facts.
>>166586037
>Archer can literally snipe one shot kill every servant in the grail war if he took it seriously
So can Assassin if used properly. If Rin had Cu in the fifth Grail War she could have won it.
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>>166586143
>Caster
>beats Emiya in melee
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>>166586140
Emiya can trace the abilities of wielder.
Same how Shirou isn't Hercules yet he still can use 9 lives
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>>166586136
Pretty much this. Nasu downplays Emiya hard, but then he somehow he wins 6 times against Berserker.
How the fuck did he even do that? If I remember correctly, his only way to damage Hercules is by charging BP. He shouldn't even be allowed to score one hit considering how fast Berserker is, yet he charged 6 rank A shots while in close quarters.
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>>166586234
A weaker corrupted version sure
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>>166586037
>Fate
>any servant fighting seriously
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>>166586263
>he somehow wins
Fixed.
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As someone who hasn't read FS/N, what happened at the end of each War to where only one (or two?) people actually were able to make a wish?
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>>166586143
>it's just that no one bothered to summon any good ones
True, To even summon a good one you would need a bitchin catalyst. Like you want to summon Merlin what the fuck would you need to summon that guy?
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>>166586324
at the end of apocrypha someone makes a wish and then someone cancels it
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>>166586258
It's not ability you dolt. It's Geas. Emiya can't turn himself into Ulster guy
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>>166586380
I'm assuming Apocrypha means end of the war or something similar? How are wishes able to be cancelled?
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>>166586263
Emiya has top tier swords play according to Herc.
He's the batman of Fate essentially
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I dont know but between Gilgamesh and Archer its probably the sexiest class
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>>166586324
Nothing or nothing good, the grail war is nothing but an elaborate sham.
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>>166585817
>And EMIYA can one shot kill Saber with a surprise attack not just injure her.
The bridge scene in HA shows that he cant do shit to saber with sniping. Maybe if she was distracted like saber vs herc in graveyard but he sure as shit cant 1 v 1 her
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>>166586414
its a fate spin off
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>>166586358
>Merlin
>Good one

Pervert gramps obsessed with sperm cultivation only good for supporting.
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>>166586414
apocrypha takes place in another reality and the wish is basically cancelled by taking the grail to the dark side of the world(dunno what that is )
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>>166586324
>what happened at the end of each War to where only one (or two?) people actually were able to make a wish?
The Grail itself is not a wish granting item. It uses shit loads of mana to will something into being but at a great cost. Which is why Mages/Church started making lesser Grail to push their agenda. All you need to know is Shirou is really the only true winner of the Grail War, without something horrible happening.
>>166586467
Ok how about Morgana?
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>>166585125
>even in a ethereal war between resurrected magical beings, the dominant tactic is corner-camping
Sasuga, Japan.
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>>166586456
>>166586484
Gotcha. Thanks.
>>166586493
What costs are those? Why isn't the "shit loads of mana" the cost? Is the Grail itself manmade? Can you tell me about the horrible things that happened? I think that's what I'm really getting at.
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>>166585506
>David is a bro.
David fucks you in Valentines. He's more than a bro.
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>>166585685
And the help of Rider. The only way for Shirou to "win" that one is with the help of another servant, at this point he is pretty much a servant himself, only with an E- in Endurance, so it's more of a case of double-timing.
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>>166586454
Archer was focused on Shirou.
That's why he lost on the bridge
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>>166586358
merlin would just fuck with you until you die.
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>>166586467
What if you're a cute girl who promises to fuck him if he wins?
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>>166586557
In Sparks liner high he fought her alone
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>>166586305
>a shadow infused knight class servant powered by the grail
>gets stomped by caster with no master in melee

>>166586258
he cant edit his genetics
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>>166586263
His swordsmanship is so good that even the mad Herc had an erection and wished to cross swords with him as non berserker. One of his sword combos he developed was so strong that even a half dead Shiro was able to use it to beat Saber Alter.
From the outside perspective he was probably the strongest servant, but Nasu likes to downplay his skills and instead wank the King of Jobbers
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>>166586563
But if Shirou wasn't there and he would try to snipe Saber she would sense it and simply run to him while fending off arrows
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>>166586454
>>166586552
And Saber needed to use a command spell
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>>166586616
And still didn't manage to kill her. Sure, Alter has insane regeneration, but he only got that far in the first place because Alter loses her instincts and speed
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>>166586358
You couldn't even summon him in the regular FS/N because Merlin is still alive, and hasn't gone to the Throne of Heroes.
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>>166586616
And lost... Saber didn't die.
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>>166586417
>>166586417
God Hand blocks anything bellow rank A though. As far as I know he is only able to reach rank A by charging Broken Phantasms, pirated weapons lose one rank.
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>>166586671
He still has the upper hand and can nuke her with caladbolg
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>>166586751
Unless he uses them within UBW, in which case that is cancelled out.
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>>166585125
Saber wins both the fourth and the fifth war though
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>>166586704
He cleaved her spine in half and splattered her organs. Pretty sure that counts as victory even though he fried his brain and couldn't deal the deathblow. If Shirou was able to go so far as human against a saber servant, I don't even want to know how hard Archer could wipe the floor with Saber if he was serious.
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>>166586779
And she can nuke him with Excaliblast
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>>166586551
>What costs are those?
Lives
>Why isn't the "shit loads of mana" the cost?
its not enough.
> Is the Grail itself manmade?
A Lesser verison of it can be.
> Can you tell me about the horrible things that happened?
It would be better to start with the VNs then watch the Deen Anime then Fate Zero etc.
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>>166585125
Saber, Lancer, and Berserker were all stronger than Archer in the 5th War. Hell, Rider could have taken him down if Shinji hadn't been garbage-tier.
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>>166585817
>Fakerfags
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>>166586704
He still won the fight and Saber Alter isn't slower just loses instinct. Plus she gets infinite prana burst.
Also the difference between Emiya and EMIYA is greater than Saber Alter to Normal Saber
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>>166586358
Sperm pack or rabbit
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>>166586884
He wouldn't because Saber would be serious too unlike with Shirou.
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>>166586912
why watch deen?
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>>166586977
There is a huge difference between Shirou and EMIYA defensively, but not so much offensively when we're near the climax of the Heaven's Feel route.
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>>166586865
that's wrong and you know it
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>>166587035
Even though its dated and has quality all over the place it tries really hard to be the closest adaptation to the VN. But its all personal preference at the end. No one is going to judge you if you dont watch it.
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>>166587033
She only handicapped herself by not using Excalibur, cause she didn't want to blow the cave up. She swinged her sword with the intention to kill him, that's serious enough.
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>>166586143
They did. The guy that summoned Solomon actuay won his HGW and easily
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>>166587146
She was ordered to stop him, not to kill him. When Shirou was out of breath or in pinch he could jump back and she would not pursue. Her standing in one place was the reason that K&B combo worked at all because literally doing a backstep when Shirou thrown first pair would brake combo
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NERFED.
NO MORE EX FOR YOU SIR.
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>>166586414
They managed to make a wish, but another guy took the grail to the Reverse Side, that's basically another dimension, so his wish to make humanity immortal couldn't be fulfilled because the Grail was out of range.

The Reverse Side can even be used to travel to other timelines and the Throne of Heroes btw
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>>166586493
>Ok how about Morgana?

Requires someone powerful and very smart to be her master. Will betray you, will plot behind your back, will scheme to drop you off if that could increase her chance of victory. Sitting on my comfy chair, i am gonna say i would take the chance and roll the dice to have an evil witch like Morgana or Semiramis or Medea behind my back. But would you really when faced with the Grail War in front of you or rather have someone weaker but trustworthy?
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>>166587275
Preaty sure it's still EX after his interlude quest. All servants are weaker when summoned in GO and you need to do those quest to boost them
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>People fell for the EMIYA is a weak servant meme because of Nasu always tries to downplay him
>Him and Shirou still pull off crazy shit in the VN because their abilities are still broken
Archer is top tier guys
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>>166587110
At the end of the Fourth War the last Servant and Master pair to be alive were Saber and Kiritsugu. At the end of the fifth war the last Servant and Master to be alive were Saber and Shirou or Saber in Rin in 2/3 routes. How am I wrong that she wins both wars then.
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>>166586977
Alter is slower. Check her speed parameter and compare to Arthuria. It's outrightly said her armor is much heavier as well and that's one of the reasons she loses speed
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>>166587242
No she said she would consider Shirou arming himself as hostile action and kill him.
She only let him take breath because she was annoyed and had to remind him that there's no point in conserving energy and that he has to go all out against her.
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>>166585825
>Saber is the strongest servant!
>Shitons of instances of Saber getting her ass kicked by human
>Those don't count!
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>>166587315
>But would you really when faced with the Grail War in front of you or rather have someone weaker but trustworthy?
Personally, i rather not risk losing my life to my servant. The consistent issue i've always had with Fate is how the Masters lack the knowledge to use their servants strengths to their advantage. Its like they dont know what their servant can really do until the plot kicks in.
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>>166587378
>gets destroyed by gilgamesh in zero and begs for kiritsugu to help her
she lost the fourth holy grail war
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>>166587403
Nothing about what i said was false. To Think that Shirou is not an exception is silly and proves how Gil lost by underestimating Shirou. Let me make it clear i dont like Shirou. On paper Sabers are the strongest class but Fate has never been about winning its all about suffering on all sides.
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>>166587382
Sher literally never move from her place. She could attack him when he tried to regroup but she didn't. If that was Archer she would not let him escape
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>>166587469
To add on your point, Gil/Koto where the last pair standing, so yah.
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>>166587422
>The consistent issue i've always had with Fate is how the Masters lack the knowledge to use their servants strengths to their advantage.

Every single Archer in Fate ends up dying/winning in melee combat. My personal favorite.
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>Muh power levels that don't mean shit
Who's your favorite Fate girl?
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>>166586884
>Dies and enemy survives
>Counts as victory
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>>166587510
Was literally the only time she did that and that was to tell Shirou that she'll kill him in her next attacks and that he should stop fucking around and go all out against her.
A saber jobbing in terms of sword techniques against an archer arm is proof that Emiya is pretty fucking insane with his swords.
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>>166587606
You post one of the two servants actually used well. Amakusa Shirou did a shitton of preparation for Semi and even altered the ritual for her to come with Double Summon. Maybe it isn't the best use for an Assassin, but surr as hell was the best use for her.

The other is Caules, who specifically chose Frankenstein because it was the only servant he could use well and really did use her well to the end.
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>>166587643
The VN literally tells you he won the fight
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>>166586893
She wouldn't because Excalibur is AoE and she would destroy a large portion of the area and kill innocents.
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>>166587677
>jobbing
She was winning whole time and she lost to K&B combo because she was standing still taking it head on. What's more she shows that she could oneshot Shirou swords at any time with prana burst so she could win at any time but she was testing Shirou
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>>166587422
This so much, especially when it comes to fucking Assassins, not a single idiot who knows how to use them. Hell objectively the best strategy to win a war would be to stand the fuck back, wait for the other servants to kill each other and in the meantime gather some intel.
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>>166587795
Dragon dick
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>>166587855
>Loses to half dead weaker Emiya
>Not jobbing
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>>166585125
OP Shirou and Archer will always be soiled for taking part in FGO
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>>166587855
>she was winning the whole time
No she wasn't. The whole point of that technique was to bait the enemy into parrying the attacks and then killing her when they're defenseless. Shirou losing his swords was part of the plan. She took the attack heads on because why dodge the attack when you can just break the swords?
Her job was to kill every intruder except for Rin and not testing Shirou.
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>>166587795
Cuck shit lmao
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>>166587712
And Vlad and Mordred. Mordred's master had a great affinity and Vlad's master used hin so well that even against Vlad's will he was used good
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>>166587712
Mordred was used perfectly by Sisigou until the last retard charge into Semi. However since it was a team game and they took out HG + Semi which was huge, they kinda succeeded even at that.
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>>166588040
>kill every intruder except for Rin and not testing Shirou.
Yeah that's why she didn't attack him and was giving him hints
>Saber has to stay here because I didn't run away. Sakura is facing Tohsaka without her greatest protection. But that's only for a moment. Sakura can call her Servant back at any time. Sakura would call for Saber if Tohsaka corners her. Once that happens, Tohsaka will lose. Then what I need to do is keep Saber from going to her Master.
>Shirou. Is that all I am to you?"
She could end the fight 3 saconds after Shirou attack her for the first time by breaking his swords with power alone but she didn't
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>>166585125
>archer class is the Marty Sue in 4th and 5th hgw's
>"what's that in the horizon, masaka!"
>"EXCARIBAH!!!!111"
>"NANI?!"
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>>166585125
After killing you, UBW shall be mine!
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>>166588043
>Vlad's master used hin so well that even against Vlad's will he was used good
I disagree, There are several other options for Vlad than turning him into a Berserker. Losing the Glad from the castle was the first big mistake, Vlad losing his buff from being on his home soil slowed him down but he was still formidable. Not giving him a well needed Mana boost from command seals was another mistake.
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>>166588071
I’m legit mad Mordred killed her master for literally nothing
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>>166588223
>Glad
Grail.
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>>166588154
She was telling him to go all out because he was triggering her chivalry code by half assing the fight during the beginning.
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>>166588201
Me
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>>166588223
The order to fight him and obtain the grail actually boosted him. It's the dame kind that happened to Iskandar in Zero.

As much as he was still formidable, he was no match anymore for Karna out of his territory, since he actually gets debuffed due to Dracula's fame. Defeat was basically inevitable at that point unless the Legend of Dracula was used, whereas a Romania boosted Vlad was stated to match Hercules in Greece and Arthur in Britain
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>>166588329
The point is that she lets him "half assing" the fight by not destroying him along with his swords with prana burst
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>>166585125
*stops time*
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>>166585676
>>166585125

Perhaps.
But they are incredibly inefficient.


The entire "Sabers are the best class" concept stemmed from Sabers always being the finalists of all 5 grail wars.
This involves more than mere strength; it means they have sustainable, high combat strength, good versatility in many scenarios, the ability to protect their masters, are easy to control etc.


Rin said so in one of her monologues.
The rest of both series just proves proves her point further; both Archers had fallouts with their masters, both casters manipulated their masters into creating more enemies than they could handle, all three Assassins couldn't act as impactful driving forces and just died in a ditch unceremoniously, and were kept relevant by their broken as fuck masters etc

Only Saber pulled through despite questionable synergy with their Masters.

The Grail War isn't a clean contest of sportsmanship and rules.
Sabers are pretty broken to be able to be a finalist every time.
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>>166588422
>Arthur in Britain

So......Seiba can casually knock out Gil in Britain?
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>>166588545
Issei says no
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>>166588518
>The Count of Monte Cristo is a waifushit for otaku pandering
Jesus
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>>166588422
You make great points. But i cant remember if Vlad was still Vlad in the serker state or was it more Darnick's will to obtain the grail that made him predictable.
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>>166588545
She'd fight considerably better, but against Gilgamesh is a matter of either killing him before Ea or having the necessary tools to block it. Theoretically, Berserker Lancelot is an example of that in Grand Order, as if Shirou in UBW. Saber on the other hand, needs Avalon or victory is questionable
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>>166588626
its a parody of Fate
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>>166585125
What arrow-sword is he holding there? Why isn't caliburn arrow a thing?
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>>166588630
Both. Anime shows Vlad actually impaled his own feet to try stopping Darnicula at one point, so he was probably struggling internally and that may have had an impact in his combat skills.
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>Can BTFO people with sheer skill and combat prowess
>H-He's a w-weak servant
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>>166588451
Yes and after both they try to murder each other and Saber jobbs to Archer's arm.
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>>166588626
You mean husbandobait for danganronpaul fujoshi? Dantes is a man
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>>166588545
Under the right conditions she could, but there are several factors that come into play. Gil's mood being one. The more exposed to the modern world the worst he's mood going to be, thus he's going to be more egotistical and arrogant. Another factor would be if Saber has Avalon to counter Gil if Ea happens. If not then it would be a 50/50.
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>>166588666
Well, in character Gilgamesh would let her take a swing with CALIBAAAAAH before using EA.
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>>166588795
>Barely survive against nerfed Lancer whom Saber could destroy in seconds
>combat prowess
The only reason he can survive 5th war is because he already saw it once so he knows everybody
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>>166588800
>no one cares about canon
Sure thing secondary-kun
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>>166588779
Really was a shame to lose Vlad to early. Thank for refreshing my memory.
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>>166588800
the new OVA episode was a total trash joke though
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>>166588901
>whom saber could destroy in seconds
Cu would tear Shirou-Artoria a new asshole in an actual fight
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>>166588902
hello quaternary-kun
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>>166586741
Why the fuck would that matter? It's explicitly stated that the Throne of Heroes houses from all points in time and space. That's how EMIYA is a thing in the first place. As long as Merlin dies in some alternate world (which he pretty much has to, given that the Kaleidoscope is infinite in scope), he can be summoned.
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>>166588967
I mean Cu did kill Shirou once.
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>>166588967
I'm talking about nerfed Lancer you moron. Saber btfo him just after her summoning so he used Gay Bulge on her
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>>166588717
Why was Fate/Zero so gay?
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>>166589108
>Saber btfo him just after her summoning so he used Gay Bulge on her
I think we have a different meaning of BTFO.
We will use ufle as an example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHqsu7C2__Q

He was getting use to the fight and pretty much was like fuck it.
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>>166587469
Gilgamesh's master was already dead by that point so he had already lost
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>>166588901
Triple Crain Wings > Seibah jobber
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>>166589250
Kirei and Gil were the last ones standing and Kirei got what he wanted. Explain to me how that isn’t winning?
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>>166587641
the witch
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>>166589108
>btfo
Saber doesn't even land a blow on him, and he managed to last 9+ hours against Gil without any CS boosts
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>>166589271
>Another NTR fag
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>>166589240
>anime
And even here he got "oh fuck" face all the time. He was on defensive all the time
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>>166589357
>literal definition of faithful wife
He didn't ask who your waifu is retard
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>>166589270
Because Kirei died and the was resurrected after the grail had been destroyed . You can't win the holy grail war if your dead before it ends
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I can never quite get an answer of just how bullshit you can intentinally go with your summoning during HGW.
For example can you summon outright conceptual shit like, lets say, Unknown soldier?
Or can you get creqtures\people that were never really "characters" to a meaningfull degree?
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>>166589120
Because everyone loves delicious homos
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>>166589490
>Unknown soldier
Thats emiya(extra)
> can you get creqtures\people that were never really "characters" to a meaningfull degree?
Pale rider
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>>166589531
this
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>>166589368
>only on the defensive because of invisible air and the possibility that Saber's NP could have been literally anything
Unless Saber excaliblasted him to fucking dust he'd still be in for the long haul if she had actually hit him
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>>166589490
There are some glitches in the system such as fictional characters or servants that are new classes entirely. How someone would go about to summon these things is beyond me, but the possibility is there since the system works on infinite possibilities and timelines. Its bullshit but it keeps things interesting.
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>>166589622
Lets also not forget the damage GB did to her regardless of her high magic resist. Saber couldnt have gone round 2 with Shirou as her master. If it was Rin that would be another story.
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>Saber is the strongest
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>>166589622
Yes. Lancer is expert at surviving and prolonging the fight but the point is that Saber>nerfed Lancer>Emiya
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>>166585125
Berserker and Lancer are better than both Archers in FSN. The only way they lose is because of CHAINS of HEAVEN.
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>>166586136
>and UBW in particular

That's the only route where Archer does anything, right?
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>>166589490
This was actually explained pretty succinctly in FGO London
Heroic Spirits can be purely conceptual, but that can also limit their summon-ability as servants depending on the system used. False Assassin for example is the concept of Sasaki Kojiro but implanted on some hick farmer who wanted to swing a sword really well, whereas stuff like Shinjuku Avenger is a real story (Lobo) mixed with a folk tale (headless horseman)
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>>166589713
Emiya kills Saber in Hollow Ataraxia really easily
Lancer has protection from Arrows and thus can't be dealt with via broken phantasms
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>>166589912
>Emiya kills Saber in Hollow Ataraxia really easily
He kills Shirou, not her directly
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>>166589832
He removes almost all of Berserker's lives in the Fate route.

In Heavens Feel Shirou 1v1's berserker and later Kotomine with the help of just the magic in Archer's severed hand so that half counts.
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>>166589703
damn that's hot
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>>166586143
With the addition of Anastasia I now hold out hope for proper punch-wizard Koshcei.\

>>166589912
Wouldn't Caldabolg 2 and similar shit still fuck him up with blast wave alone?

>>166589565
>>166589646
>>166589874
So theoreticly speaking, you can summon Anonymous?
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>>166589832
>Wouldn't Caldabolg 2 and similar shit still fuck him up with blast wave alone?
If it hits but hes one of the fastest servants in the HGW if i recall so it wouldnt be hard to run at his ass the moment he gets angry at redman
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>>166589982
>In Heavens Feel Shirou 1v1's berserker and later Kotomine with the help of just the magic in Archer's severed hand so that half counts.

What does Archer do in HF before the shadow kills him?
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>a Fate series with a single Master
>canon
gatchafags worse than normies
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>>166590060
You could summon 4chan, the legendary hacker.
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>>166590060
>you can summon Anonymous?
Yes, since Anon is a fictional construct of 4chan.
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>>166590182
Bad news anon
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>>166585125
Emiya archer is not the best servant of the fifth grial war. If we do not take into account Gilgamesh, the strongest one would be Saber (his NP can oneshot even Heracles).

As it is common in fate, there are things that should be said. If everything goes well, caster can control all the servants of the grial war and therefore win without problems. And the power of the master can move the balance in one way or another (watch rider: from beeeing one of the worst servants in UBW to fucking OP in Heaven´s Feel)

And, for me, the strongest servant in the forth grial war is Rider, his NP is the most broken thing in the planet (isolate a enemy in a place where he cant hide and have with him a complete army, in which every soldier is a NP himself). But the real NP of Gilgamesh counters Alexander, that´s why kirei´s servant won.
But, except for this counter, Alexander can destroy every single servant of the fourth and fifth grial war, including Medusa of HF
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>>166585125
Ishtar is weak against my dick so no
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>>166590265
It's too late now to change the system.
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>>166590300
What about Lancer who asks Caster to Rule Breaker and become his master?

This is what happens in Fate/unlimited codes
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>>166590060
You could summon gatchafags that play Fate for waifufaggotry
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>>166589964
why is saber sakura the best?
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>>166586977
>and Saber Alter isn't slower
Her agility drops to D.
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>>166590419
Lancer is not that strong. Emiya manages to stop him in the cathedral and his NP does not work if the other servant has good stats of luck.
And let´s remember that lancer´s master was Kotomine Kirei, a very strong master with tons of mana. If you tell me that he is weak but he receies little mana i can understand, but that is not the caso. Saber can easily destroy him even with shirou (imagine the bizzarre things that would happend with tohsaka or Ilya).

Lancer 4th was not particularly strong, but at leas he had a hige debuff as NP. But this one... he is supposed to oneshot everyone, but he kills nobody.

Well, at least we know that the worst class was Assasin: Assasin 4th did barely nothing and purple samurai... well, he cleaned a temple...
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>>166590182
>single master
Every singularity besides Fuyuki revolves around at least one character utilizing a grail to summon servants, it's still very much a master versus master conflict
>rising action and climax singularities written by Nasu himself
>not canon
ebin post anime secondary
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>>166585125
Sabers are stronger. Shirou just couldn't get his up and working properly.
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>>166589012
Probably because Merlin as we know him is in Avalon and quite literally cannot die as a result.
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>>166590647
>a very strong master with tons of mana
swing and a miss pedro
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>>166590647
>let´s remember that lancer´s master was Kotomine Kirei
Yes, lets remember the Master that told him not to fight and to do recon.
Kirei is not a good Master in the sense of teamwork.
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>>166590647
>Lancer is not that strong
Stopped reading right there
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>>166590675
FGO has tons of goofy shit with that in it.
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Archer is one of the three knight classes so it wasn't created to job. Even if Saber is considered the strongest it's a contender.
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>>166590300
>Rider NP
>Good
That jobber NP can't even put the enemy in the middle of the army and they have to run 3 miles instead, letting the enemy charge his super attack before they can reach him.
Saber can just blast his army with Excalibur, Cu could throw his spear or use his 1v1 fight me rune, it's possible that Emiya can overwrite the RM with his own if he casts it later, Medusa can just fly around with her NP and the low level servants couldn't even touch Herc.
The only thing it's good for is for killing Assassins.
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>>166590602
Agility is meaningless. Kojiro had agility of A+ but that didn't really mean anything in his fight with Saber.
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>>166590717
So? Some version of Emiya Shirou made it to Avalon and has the same protection, but you can just summon different versions of him. Why wouldn't it be the same for Merlin?
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>>166590568
I dunno appeals to foot fags.
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>>166590765
Lancer with Bazett or Caster as his Master would stomp even Berserker and Gil
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>>166590675
A soulless piece of shit, with nothing good about it other than a few cute waifus, besides possessing a poor and lazy writing in what could be described as a pure Otaku pandering
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>>166590782
So does every route of the original VN, all three Extra games, and every spinoff, even Zero thanks to DUDE.
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>>166590930
>nothing good about it besides waifus
FGO has more great male characters than female ones though
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>>166591018
Fate has always been about the male characters. Tsukihime for the women.
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>>166590300
>including Medusa of HF
Medusa is about as much of a counter to Iskander as you can be without being Gilgamesh. She has a superior mount when compared to Iskander, there is no possible way that any of the soldiers in the Reality Marble could touch her when she's riding the pegasus due to its protections, and she can just petrify a good portion of his army instantly with her eyes, causing the Marble to collapse well before it otherwise would. The army would do jack and shit against her, assuming that she's not under Shinji.
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>>166586977
Saber Alter is actually faster, but she loses her fine motor control, which is shown when her AGI stat drops from C under Shirou to D under Sakura. This means that Saber Alter can beat Saber in a straight race, but if there are obstacles in the way, where Saber can easily swerve around to avoid them even if moving at full speed, Saber Alter would have to smash through.

As a result, while blackened, Saber tends to just stand in place and let her enemies come to her, at which point she smashes them with pure power.
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>>166590914
You're seriously overselling that. Bazett's circuits aren't even as good as Rin's and definitely nowhere near Illya class.
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>>166585281
O
MY
A RANK
INSTINCT
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>>166590938
>>166591018
FGO essentially killed the series, because Fate is now all about quantily over quality, creating as many characters for people to burn their money into gatchashit to get. Stop trying to justify the thing that made the series go to shit with "it was always shit!', it's a dumb fucking argument because it was objectively better than the money-grabbing shitshow it is today. It was verbose, extremely chuuni but it was good.
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>>166591202
>it was always shit
the only person saying that is you contrarian-kun
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>>166591202
>FGO essentially killed the series,

What's wrong with the direction of the series?

>Stay night
>Extra
>Grand Order
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>>166590868
Because there very well may not be other versions of him.

And if there are, well then you're not really summoning Merlin now are you? Like how Seibah and big-titty Seibah aren't the same.
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>>166591197
But Bazett has a NP tier Mystic code.
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Pretty sure if Saber and Emiya went 1 on 1 and Emiya went all out with Unlimited Blade Works he'd probably win.
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>>166591197
Who would win in a fight, Bazett or Illya?
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>>166591202
>essentially killed the series
>is funding every anime adaptation aniplex has made for the franchise after Zero
>"Fate" is now all about quantity over quality
How exactly is FGO affecting how Strange/Fake, Prilya and Case Files are being written again?
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>>166591349
>>166591344
Berserker would murder her. Even if Bazett went after Illya while Cu Chulainn was fighting him, Berserker would immediately spin around and smash Bazett's face off, even if it meant taking a Rune-boosted Gae Bolg to the face.
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>>166591313
>>166591397
I played the VN for the first time 2 years ago, you can't even pull the nostalgia card on me. Plus, nice smug reaction image instead of a proper argument. Honestly i don't know why i'm even trying. Every time i come into a FGO thread i get fucking furious that a franchise i legitimately love became this shallow garbage and i know i'm just going to get trolled if i try to argue otherwise so fuck me i guess. Go ahead, spend hundreds of dollars in a slot machine to get a .jpg of the character you want to fap to in a franchise you don't even care about and think "was always bad". You're wastinfg your fucking money and i've been robbed of something i really really enjoyed so we're all getting fucked here. Holy shit i'm mad.
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>>166591456
Why would you play it twice?
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A jewish gacha scheme is the fate that Fatefags deserve
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>>166591624
Not being a f2p to Jew the jew.
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Putting aside the obvious Gilgamesh, for the Lancer/Bazett team, their worst possible matchup would most likely be Team Caster. Even if Bazett managed to ignore her base instinct of attacking Kuzuki head on and getting her head punched off in the process, there's still the fact that trying to attack Caster means assaulting her on her home turf. And that means trying to get past a certain gatekeeper. It's been stated that Assassin is actually a pretty difficult opponent for Lancer, and unlike most trump cards, Kojiro's is pretty difficult to predict. If she at least had prior knowledge of it, she could counter it with Fragarach, but if they do the normal Bazett thing and strike blindly, it's gonna be far trickier.

If Bazett tried to sneak in from another route (since she's not affected by the temple's bounded field, being a human), then she'd have to deal with Kuzuki and Caster, her worst possible opponents in the entire Grail War. If it's their first time meeting (most likely), then Kuzuki would destroy Bazett. If he's not there, then Caster would destroy Bazett.
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If you think Nasu still has some """integrity""" remember in the CCC collab he made the final boss of the event playable to sell her gacha and making the sacrifice of many characters and plots pointless he wants you to buy quartz good goys
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>>166586751

Don't they only lose a rank in divine mystery?
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>>166591333
Why he hell wouldn't there be other versions of him? He must have gone through plenty of different events in just the various timelines the other versions Artorias are from, so him being some kind of universal constant just seems silly.

And I'd in fact say that yes, you would really be summoning Merlin. As an example, just because a version of Artoria decided to use her holy lance instead of her sword doesn't mean that she's not still Artoria. It's still the same person fundamentally, but with a mature body. Anything else just seems like a very odd way of looking at it in my opionion.
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>>166591456
>>166591624
>Every time i come into a FGO thread i get fucking furious that a franchise i legitimately love became this shallow garbage and i know i'm just going to get trolled if i try to argue otherwise so fuck me i guess.

What's wrong with Type Moon?

>Visual novels

Tsukihime, Fate/stay night, Mahoyo

>Books

Kara no Kyoukai, Fate/Zero, Fate/Apocrypha, Fate/strange Fake, ロード・エルメロイⅡ世の事件簿 and more

>Games

Melty Blood, Fate/unlimited codes, Fate/Extra, Fate/Extra CCC, Fate/Extella, Grand Order, Grand Order VR, Grand Order Arcade
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>>166585235
Masters try to get their hands on Sabers, Archers, or Lancers. Any class can win the war but those three are the best.
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>>166591774
But they added gacha!
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>>166585676
The reason was because Saber's had always gotten to the final round in the previous grail wars, so they were seen as being very consistently good, unlike the other classes which varied far more.
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>>166591456
FGO predates you playing the VN if you first played it 2 years ago. You sound like you're new to the series and you just don't want to acknowledge FGO because of the jew gacha rather than the actual content in it
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>>166591774
FGO brought with him the quaternaries who play only the gatcha game, read a doujin or two, and see some fanarts and then pretends to know what they’re talking about.
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shitter tier: rider, assassin
jobber tier: berserker, lancer
mid-boss tier: caster
protagonist tier: archer, saber
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>>166588016
What's this?
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>>166586912

>Prana

Terminology is a big part of why I hope the success of FGO in NA convinces TM that an approved translation of FSN is worth it. Everyone and their mother seems to translate things differently and it's just confusing.
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>>166592158
Sparks Liner High ending from Heaven's Feel route in Fate/stay night
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>>166592191
Ah, never finished that.
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>>166592183
TMdict has the best terminology translations. Don't trust the wikia!
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>>166592077
The actual content in it is complete trash.
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>>166586414
>>166586456
>>166586551
>Main series
Fate/Stay Night
Fate/Hollow Ataraxia
Fate/Zero
Fate/Strange Fake
>Main series (chronologically)
Fate/Zero
Fate/Stay Night
Fate/Hollow Ataraxia
Fate/Strange Fake
>Spinoffs
Fate/Apocrypha
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>>166592156
Riders usually do fairly well in grail wars.
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Why was Mordred so weak? Did she even have any bonuses like her father?
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>>166592249
It hasn't been updated in like a year though.
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What's the shittiest class, assassins or berserks?
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>>166588626
>Not husbandoshit for fujos and yumejoshi
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>>166592431
The point is all translators should use it as a reference for terms.

You could also buy the material books from Type Moon themselves and not bother with the wikia.
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>>166585125
He's hot...
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>>166592535
Fire is his blood, after all.
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>>166592308
>Fate/Strange Fake
its a fate spin off though
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5th Holy Grail War
>4 demigods
>King of Heroes
>King of Knights
>Best swordsman in the verse
>Strongest archer in the verse
>Canonically strongest nonmage in the verse
>All sins of humanity
>Two actual heroic spirits
>Caster that can cheat out servants and grails
>Sakura "I eat servants for breakfast" Matoi

How can other Grain wars even compare? Original fate had the highest power levels ever seen in HGWs
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>>166586493
So what's even the point of fighting for the grail if it can't grant shit?
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>>166592427
Mordred, huh? Mordred. Here are their stats under the same Master:

>Saber: Altria
>STR: B / END: B / AGI: B / MGI: A / LCK: A+ / NP: A++
>Class Skills: Magic Resistance A, Riding B
>Personal Skills: Charisma B , Mana Burst A, Instinct A
>Noble Phantasms: Invisible Air (Anti-Unit C), Excalibur (Anti-Fortress A++)

>Saber: Mordred
>STR: B+ / END: A / AGI: B / MGI: B / LCK: D / NP: A
>Class Skills: Magic Resistance B, Riding B
>Personal Skills: Mana Burst A, Instinct B, Secred of Pedigree EX
>Noble Phantasms: Clarent Blood Arthur (Anti-Army A+)

The only stats in which Mordred isn't outright inferior to Altria in are STR and END, both of which she surpass her dad in. However, in everything else, she's blatantly inferior. It should also be noted that in terms of general combat skill and technique, she was inferior to just about everyone else in the Round Table. She was very tough, don't get me wrong, and her savage fighting style was difficult to deal with. But she just can't compare to her old man, who ended up beating her pretty easily, and only managed to get a final hit in due to a powerful curse that made it so that even if she died, she would still deliver one final strike even as her heart stopped. Her Magic Resistance is inferior, her Instinct is inferior, her Noble Phantasm is inferior, and oh, she doesn't have a dragon reactor that pumps her with limitless mana.
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Will Emiya ever win a Grail War? And what would he even wish for?
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>>166592660
They don't know that until Kotomine (Fate), Gil (UBW), or Zouken (HF and Zero) tells them that it's a corrupted grail.
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>>166592478
Berserker unless youre a homunculous.
Theyre hard as shit to control but nowadays Madness EX is a fucking joke so maybe it isnt so bad
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>>166592711
>"I have no interest in the Holy Grail. Just thing of me as a boring man without a single wish to call his own."
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>>166592746
Remember when Berserker's couldn't talk unless they were dying?
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>>166592711
EMIYA wins the moon cell war if you have him as your servant.
Doesn't have a wish though.
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>>166592790
Yeah, but what if he does pull it off one time. What then.
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>>166592843
He'd just give it to his Master and that'd be the end of it.
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>>166592878
Can't wish himself out of the throne can he?
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>>166592904
He doesn't worry about that anymore.
The will he found in UBW's climax reached the heroic spirit himself, against all odds.
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>>166592904
No. The Holy Grail isn't that powerful. It can't affect the Root.
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>>166585125
Nah' that's just Gilgamesh
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>>166592682
That's it? No ability to walk on water? No extra ability that comes from Morgan le Fay? Give the poor girl something
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>>166592820
>oedipus complex noise intensifies
I dont even fucking know what theyre doing anymore with this shit
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>>166591755
>Why he hell wouldn't there be other versions of him? He must have gone through plenty of different events in just the various timelines the other versions Artorias are from
Not really. He probably gets trapped in Avalon in just about all the alternate Camelot's we've seen so far, since that seems to happen independently of what goes on with King Arthur. It's quite literally his fate in any timeline in which he "made" Arthur/Artoria.
>And I'd in fact say that yes, you would really be summoning Merlin. As an example, just because a version of Artoria decided to use her holy lance instead of her sword doesn't mean that she's not still Artoria. It's still the same person fundamentally, but with a mature body. Anything else just seems like a very odd way of looking at it in my opionion.
It's not really that simple. Lancer is no longer the Once and Future King who fell at Camlann. Just as the Alters or Lion King aren't. They are all different versions of Artoria Pendragon with different experiences, bodies/abilities, and personalities. If you somehow found an alternate version of Merlin, they would have the same name and a similar background, but would likely be a very different person. Unless you get the type of chicanery going on with Gilgamesh and Iskander, with their ages being different. With Merlin it's worth noting that there is a female version of him and there may be a Beast version of him, but the three are obviously quite different people.
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>>166592950
Ability to walk on water was a blessing given to her by the Lady of the Lake.
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So I recently finished the novel and have a few questions.
During HF is revealed that the true reason as for why mages fight for the grail is because they use it as a mean to reach "the root", but it also says that once ones reach the root, you can't use the same method to reach it again, does that means that in all the previous holy wars no one actually managed to reach it? And what's even the root anyway, why do mages want it so bad
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>>166592623
Why is Gil so incredibly hot both in female and male form?
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>>166592944
Hmm, so it's like a application(The Grail) can't change the OS(Root)

Or something
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>>166592999
>does that means that in all the previous holy wars no one actually managed to reach it? And what's even the root anyway, why do mages want it so bad

Read Fate/Zero and play Fate/Hollow Ataraxia
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>>166592308
Fate/Grand Order ties them all together
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>>166588795
Stat wise, he's weak. He makes up for that weakness with tricks and techniques.
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>>166592995
I know, what did Mordred get?
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>>166593098
>Fate/Grand Order
its a parody of Fate though
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>>166592944
The Throne is not the origin though. It's outside of time, but that's not quite the same thing.
You can alter human history and thereby the throne with extremely powerful shit like the Moon Cell Core, but Archer's moved past that and while he has regrets, he no longer seeks to correct anything.
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>>166592999
Nice trips, and I do remember a line in the LN about no Grail war having been successful, it was probably also true of the hidden goal of the war. Though it speaks volumes about magi that getting to kill one another with overwhelmingly powerful familiars and earn an ungodly amount of mana wasn't reason enough for them. These guys just don't know proper fun.
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>>166593148
I thought Carnival Phantasm was the parody
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>>166593136
A curse that makes her body move to kill King Arthur even if she's struck with a fatal blow.
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>>166593212
It's the good one.
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>>166592957
They realized that having a class made up of nothing but autistic screechers is bad and lazy characterization.
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>>166591755
The only other Merlin we know of is Proto-Merlin.

Main problem with Merlin is that the fucker doesn't die thanks to Avalon.
Even in FGO he was only 'summonable' because the fucker dreamed of the outside world and used that to manifest into a servant using his powers. Guy is still sleeping in Avalon.
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>>166585125
>mfw people are always so quick to put down everyone saying EMIYA is really good

Seriously, when you have basically every servant saying "wtf this guy is insane" maybe it's worth listening.
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>>166593212
Carnival Phantasm was a parody of Type-Moon
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>>166593218
Shit curse, shit enough to make me wonder why that's not an ability or her Noble Phantasms.
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>>166593212
>>166593334
Carnival Phantasm is an adaption of a Tsukihime/Fate gag manga called Take Moon to celebrate the 10 year anniversary.
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>>166593363
It is. Clarent didn't originally have any sort of anti-Arthur attribute. But because Mordred's wielding it, it becomes Clarent Blood Arthur, a cursed blade that exists specifically to kill King Arthur. It can be described as a Noble Phantasm that exists specifically to kill Altria.

In Fate/Grand Order, it does bonus damage to Altria-attribute Servants.
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>>166593454
>Altria-attribute Servants
This sums up the shitfest that is fgo pretty well.
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>>166593285
Well theyre clearly not doing any better with the shit theyre doing in fgo with literal mental gymnastics to give them an excuse to use madness ex.
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>>166589253
Lancer's pretty much immune to projectiles and he's better at close combat than Archer.
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As a secondary. Can which demons or mythical beast can safely eat? Can you eat a part of servant? Since getting a servant heart is possible can you get another part of a servant?
Lastly which servant would be the cheapest to go out to eat with?
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>>166593148
It's still canon though
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>>166585235
listen here you dumb shits replying with images of various sabers getting shit on, saber is the best CLASS, not all sabers in all grail wars are the strongest in said grail war.

If gil got summoned as a saber he would be the strongest form of gil as he gets the largest stat bonuses.
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>>166593610
Didn't Gil have the same stats as Saber in FSN and FZ?
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>>166593591
I have 3 problmes with F/GO : 1 - It lacks soul. Most things that came out of it exist just for the sake of existing (and thus generating more revenue). 2 - It's childish. H/A also had silly stuff happen and is canon, but for the most part it respects the universe it's set in. 3 - now you can't have a TM thread for example without GOfags shitting up everything. Type Moon has been permanently contaminated by FGO, and no matter how dumb, ridiculous and uninspired it gets it's never going away because it makes too much money from retards with gambling addcitions.
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>>166593643
and would have been even higher in the saber class, "serious" gil just outclasses every other servant whatever role he is put into. Gil isn't meant to be fair or balanced in any way.
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Forgive my ignorance, as I only read the Fate route, but if apparently only Saber and Archer are good, what's the point of the other ones? Shouldn't they all be around the same power?
And what exactly does Emiya want? I can't make heads or tails of his motivations.
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>>166593591
nice fanwank
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>>166593610
Don't forget that everyone downplaying Artoria is always on the basis that Artoria is one of the most nerfed servants in the entire legendarium.
Just giving her Avalon brings her up to the top tier league.
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>>166593715
>And what exactly does Emiya want?
Keep going

And they're all pretty strong, everyone in the 5th war is top tier. Even sasaki would be hard for most people to deal with because of just how good he is.
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>>166593711
Not really how it works. Stats are irrelevant for Gilgamesh. He is basically the embodiment of "A Servant's power lies in their Noble Phantasms".
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>>166593715
>if apparently only Saber and Archer are good, what's the point of the other ones?
>And what exactly does Emiya want? I can't make heads or tails of his motivations.

Maybe you should play the parallel route to Fate, UBW route, and find out?
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>>166593730
It's Nasu's fanwank so it's canon ;)
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>>166592820
Yes, a class made up entirely of people who can only scream is definitely not gonna get old.
Low Madness Enhancement affects the intellect of the servant, high Madness makes them less coherent and more screaming.
EX is psychopath tier where they seem normal but clearly have a screw loose when you talk to them.
Like Nightingale, who will heal anyone she meets that is injured or ill, even if its an enemy, because thats her madness.
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>people still talk about Fate in 2018
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>>166593549
Sane zerkers predate FGO by a year in SF though, keep your FGO hateboner strong
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>>166593610
But Nero's strongest form is canonically caster, despite being a saber by default. Sure Extra and GO fucked with the rules a lot, but they've never really made sense and were just ways to hamfistedly set up expectations.
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>>166593797
gil benefits from stats still, somewhere he talks about kotomine being a downgrade as a master meaning his natural magic resistance was lowered, but it didn't matter because of his NPs.

In UBW gil had barely any servant level physical stats or resists because of not being a proper servant with a master, letting shirou beat up on him with a sword. Also required gil not wearing his armor or using any strong nps because muh jobbing
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>>166593894
>In UBW gil had barely any servant level physical stats or resists because of not being a proper servant with a master, letting shirou beat up on him with a sword. Also required gil not wearing his armor or using any strong nps because muh jobbing

plz stop with this shit. Against Shirou or EMIYA goldie's only chance is Ea, that's how bad the matchup is for him if they get going.
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>>166593893
Nero is most probably strongest as a rider due to Mother Harlot.

Caster Nero is just stupidly strong due to high compatibility from her natural talent as a magus on top of her Ten Crowns skill manifesting in her caster form.
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>>166593956
gil just wearing his armor instead of a tracksuit would have crushed UBW shirou
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>>166593715
>but if apparently only Saber and Archer are good, what's the point of the other ones?
Lancer too.Generally the three "Knight Classes" are meant to be the relatively straightforward and strong combatants. Assassin's tend to be worse at fighting, Riders tend to have worse stats and be NP reliant, Casters are generally hurt by MR and need base building, and Berserkers are hard to control.

That said, there are some incredibly powerful Servants outside of those three classes than can dumpster on them. Take Solomon for example - he apparently won his Grail War incredibly easily.

The classes are just "containers" made to fit Heroic Spirits best suited towards them. It wouldn't make sense for someone like Merlin to be a Archer or for someone like Leonidas to be an Assassin.
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>>166594021
No, he wouldn't. For one that's not the story and it would never get written that way. Two, the matchup is THAT bad. Just accept it.
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>>166593956
>>166594021
And I'm out.
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>>166593715
The holy grail war was giant scam created by three families to get access to the root by feeding it a high amount of magic. That's why there are 3 good classes (the knight classes). But they needed more servants to feed to the grail so they created more jobber classes, that are supposed to lose.

Emiya's motivation was that he's just angry at his current situation (being a country guardian for etrernity) and he wanted to take that anger out on his younger self who's going to make that idiotic decision.
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>>166594056
>fight goes the exact same way except when Gil reaches for Ea and Shirou tries to cut his arm off, Kanshou and Bakuya bounce off the armor
lmao
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>>166593832
>;)
>weebs
Nobody in their right mind, can understand why this piece of shit is a Fate series.
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>>166593715
knight classes "exist" to be used by the founding families so they can win, but the truth of the matter is that the ritual is just designed to give them more of their regular prowess than other classes

They aren't actually stronger heroic spirits on average, and many Riders and Casters and at least a certain Assassin are far more powerful than most of the servants in the fuyuki grail war
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>>166594159
He'd lose in a slightly different way, or it'd go through it, lord knows everything else goes through armour in fate.
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>>166593887
Never said i hate fgo, i fucking play it.
Its still no excuse to give shit like mad enhancement ex and make them coddling mother
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>>166594185
>mongolian moon crater deciphering board
>calling anyone weebs
Just because you can't keep up with the franchise doesn't make it any less canon Patlu
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Why did Gil act like a different character between Fate, UBW and HF?
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>>166585685
Even Berserker and Gil got beaten. Why are you so surprised?
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>>166594267
Different motivating factors leading to different parts of his personality coming through.
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>>166594255
>Raikou's character in doujins is the same as her character in-game
ebin
You know her being a berserker has nothing to do with her momma complex right?
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>>166593894
Is this how Gil dresses at home?
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>>166594242
gils armor is only a tier below absolute plot armor lel, A rank attacks and under are completely ignored by it
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>>166594242
>lord knows everything else goes through armour in fate.
I'm guessing you're an animeonlyfag or something.
Gilgamesh's armor stops a multi-hit combo from Saber in the Fate route. As in she goes wild and slashes at him for an extended period with Excalibur and he doesn't dodge at all, he just tanks it, blocking only hits aimed at his head with the gauntlets. In servant terms it goes on for awhile, at least dozens of hits were scored, before he jumped away saying that any more would actually break his armor, and he was just showing off.
There is NO chance whatsoever that Shirou could strike through the golden armor in one blow.
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>>166594349
>hits were scored, before he jumped away saying that any more would actually break his armor, and he was just showing off.
>There is NO chance whatsoever that Shirou could strike through the golden armor in one blow.

Nah, 100% chance. The author writes that, so it happens. Pretty simple desu.
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>>166594267
>HF
being dead can really change your character
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Reminder that Fate route was best route.
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>>166594363
You do realize the author wrote Shirou losing, dying, or otherwise failing to accomplish his goal 40 times, right?
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>>166594390
Yes, but there's a 0% chance that he wouldn't write in a way for shirou to win if he felt like giving goldie armour.

You guys need to stop being fucking boneheads when it comes to fiction.
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>>166594377
shes gay
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>>166594377
Fate route could have used more Caster and Lancer before Gil hijacked the story.
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the timelines where gil just fucks all of your waifus and husbandos shit up from the start while tryharding were erased due to being too traumatic one sided kekfests, and the few in which he is forced to lose kept.

In the first draft of fate it was starting at zero with gil blasting the Einzbern's place from orbit, faster than light one shotting any mongrels foolish enough to come close and then adding the grail as a drinking cup to his collection

It took several trillion simulations to find a situation in which gil didn't roflstomp everything and that is our current lore.
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>>166594267
His attitude and motivations are fairly similar in Fate and UBW. He's more active in the latter due to what goes down during the war. He's obsessed with Saber in both, but never really gets as much of a chance to interact with her in UBW.

In HF he gets omnomnom'd too fast to really do much of anything. He decided the shadow was a problem, but really underestimated it's anti-servant nature.
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>>166594519
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>>166594159
>>166594242
Gil doesn't wear his armor because the only Servant he views as a threat is Saber.
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>>166594416
He could write in a way for anything whatsoever to occur, he's the author. Your point is meaningless, because we're talking about internal consistency, not the omnipotence of the playwright.
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>The red eyes only show the intent to brutally kill the enemy in front of him.
>The golden Servant identifies the knight in front of him as a target he must kill.
>"Faker..."

Why was Gil scared of Archer?
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>>166591160
It's mentioned her armor is heavier though
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>>166594608
gil was afraid of no one, just disgusted at redmans budget gates
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>>166594547
The issue is that Gil was tryharding there. He didn't take Shirou seriously and got his shit pushed in by a hard counter that he could have avoided if he wasn't a dumb cunt.
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>>166594655
wasn't*
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>>166594638
Yeah, but she could break through that with sheer power. She's hooked up to an infinite mana battery. She is so utterly filled to the brim with mana that it actually fucks up her ability to utilize fine, precise movements. She could simply use her sheer power to blast through like a rocket, but she can't make sharp turns.
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>>166594655
every one of gils defeats has to start with he wasn't tryharding because he completely unbeatable if serious
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>>166594416
>shirou had stored an armorcleaver sword in his ubw that specialises in cleaving armor
Look I just wrote how Shirou would've won vs Goldman wearing armor.
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>>166594730
>completely unbeatable if serious
:^)
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>>166594608
Gilgamesh wasn't afraid of Archer. See, there's something you have to understand about Gil: He has EX-ranked Clairvoyance. He can see into possibilities, futures in which he might lose. But the thing about Gilgamesh is that even if he saw such a future, he would simply brush it off, considering it to be little more than a farce. There's no way that someone as great as him could ever lose to a mere faker. So any possibility that he sees in which he is defeated by one is clearly bullshit. So Gilgamesh isn't afraid of Archer simply because he won't accept a possible result in which he loses to him.

That was just pure hatred. Hatred towards a lowly counterfeiter
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>>166594652
>>166594782
Why did he stab Archer in the back like a cowardly dog?
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>>166594686
This. Saber Alter has monstrous mana burst and raw power, but it's to the point where it actually makes her cumbersome.
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>>166594730
He was serious enough against Saber. Avalon is just broken.

With Sakura, he never even really had a chance to take to seriously.
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>>166594808
Because the king does what he wants. Remember, he will never acknowledge anything as a threat, even if he sees a potential future in which he loses to them. So the idea that he'd use a sneak attack simply because he was afraid of the possibility that he might lose is preposterous. It's not bravado, he genuinely does not believe that anyone in the world can best him. His retarded ego and overconfidence completely goes beyond any concept of tactics.
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>>166594782
>He has EX-ranked Clairvoyance
He pretty much doesn't use it as that version of himself though.

But yes, the possibility of losing to a faker is something he doesn't even consider possible.
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>>166594730
>avalon
>sakura
You can falseflags but those were legit defeats
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But for real Archer has lots of good candidates to name a few
>Arjuna
>Gil
>Houyi
Those three are top tier, Arjuna is too famous and Hinduism is basically ancient DBZ with hax. Houyi is the guy who shot down 8 suns, I think he might beat Archer Herc if they're both Archer.
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>>166594971
He tries not to, but he doesn't have full control over it. From time to time, it gives him visions that he doesn't particularly want to see. Even then, he just disregards any visions that doesn't fit in with his overblown self-image.
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>>166594975
Sakura is highly spec'ed anti-spirit with a connection to the Grail. No Servant that came from that Grail had a chance against her.
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>>166594912
He's pretty respectful to Enkidu, and even was on guard when he met Karna. There are definitely beings he acknowledges as being worthy of his respect and as threats.
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>>166595082
Yeah. But the only one in the Fifth Fuyuki War who deserves even an ounce of his respect is Saber. He even acknowledges that Saber under Rin may have some very small chance of defeating her.
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>>166595082
>He's pretty respectful to Enkidu
His relationship with Enkidu boils down to attacking him on sight because that is a heartfelt conversation between the two.
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>>166595168
It's just a lil bit of friendly roughhousing that tears apart and puts the area back together, no biggie
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There are only two beings that Gilgamesh would ever go all out against right from the get-go. One is against Enkidu. The other is Ishtar. In Ishtar's case, it has nothing to do with respect. He just hates her so much that he doesn't give a rat's ass about pride or anything anymore. Bitch is gonna get an Enuma Elish to the face instantly.
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>>166595259
Ishtar could easily kill Gil. Even in the Epic, Gil acknowledges Ishtar's Yandere and how all her lovers ended up dead.
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>>166585235
There is no "strongest class".

The strongest is whatever the fuck the author feels is necessary because he has no consistency whatsoever and will shit out contrived justifications just so he can jam in more cliche bullshit scenes.

I can't for the life of me understand why people get all hype about stats and shit like that when the creators CLEARLY don't give a shit.
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>>166595119
>>166595168
>>166595233
Hercules surprised Gil in the end. He broke Enkidu. Gil wasn't expecting that at all.
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>>166595407
Even still, Gilgamesh never considered Berserker a threat. It's about his own perceptions. From his point of view, the only one in the Fifth War worth his acknowledgement was Saber.
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>>166595259
Honestly, he'd probably know to take anyone who's a Grand candidate seriously from the get go. I don't see him putzing around versus someone like Solomon.
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>>166594730
He was tryharding pretty hard against Saber (considering she was Arthur the King of Knights) , but still got bodied by her.
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>>166585125
Yeah, Amakusa Shirou is stronk
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>>166585746
l-lewd
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>>166585235
>Emiya
>Gilgamesh
>Arjuna
>Karna
>Alcides
Archer is OP.
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>>166587795
Siegfried I swear to god I’ll burn you if you try anything.
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>>166596101
FGO is shit, Typemoon don't consider it canon. It is being and will continue to be ignored in future projects.
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>>166596134
Narita was waiting for everything he can learn from F/GO to specifically implement it in F/SF, especially regarding Gilgamesh, Enkidu, and Ishtar.
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>>166596101
At least it looks like something out of fantasy as opposed to being something like Lancer Tamamo which is literally just her in a Bikini. Sure, have fanservice outfits i don't give a fuck, i'm all for Venus Nero from Fate/Extella for example, as ridiculoust as it looks, just at least fucking try. FGO's bikini Scathach and Tamamo are prime examples of not fucking trying at all, they're just throwing garbage in your face and saying "here you horny fucks, you'll pay money for this won't you?"
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>>166596134
>Typemoon don't consider it canon
>written by Nasu
It is canon for all I care
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>>166596006
>Karna
>archer
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>>166596203
>he can learn from F/GO
learn something with a gatcha game
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>>166596134
>typemoon don't consider it canon
Let me guess, your mom's boyfriend works there?
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>>166585125
Maybe because it was Extra but HOW the fuck did burnt husk EMIYA be able to beat Gawain while on numeral saint? I get the rule breaker and the shit, but how in the heavens did he got jeweled sword?
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>>166596266
>he thinks you need to roll the gacha to play through the story
Anon are you perhaps bad at videogames?
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Would my kids get bullied if I name them after the knights of round table?
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>>166591456
What a fag

F/GO has waifubating and gacha memes but it has actual story. What I've heard about Solomon and the rest of the expanded backstory makes me hyped, and I enjoy all the stuff like the explanation of the classes, Grand Servants, and the like.
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>a fate series a Beach/Fanservice event
>canon
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>>166596244
Yes, he can be summoned as archer like how Gil can be summoned as caster.
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>>166596244
He can be summoned as Archer, yes. Rider too.
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>>166596335
Arthur is a common name
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>>166596365
Is Galahad a common name?
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>>166596343
>but it has actual story
a childish fanfction
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>>166596335
I'll personally find your son and call him Gaywang all day long if you do
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I think of F/GO as a reenactment of HF's Outbreak, I use only canon servants with their canon masters (read: 5th HGW) and just have fun with the characters I know and like.
Who cares about literally who fanfic and fapbait Servants?
TM has never been 100% serious anyways, Tsukihime had Kagetsu Tohya, F/SN had HF.
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>>166596391
In the end, all stories are childish, just fantasies for human minds
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>>166596349
>Fate game with entire chapters about taking servants out on dates with CGs and everything for them
>canon
WOOOW NASU HOW COULD YOU
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>>166596417
but don't mind me FGO is just a "garbage mobage game" afterall.
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>>166596410
I'll hold you down while he plows your boipussy. While saying whose gay now.
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>>166596335
Arthur - Good.
Percival - Kinda. Percy is a loaded name.
Tristan - Good.
Lancelot - Bad. Consider just "Lance" instead.
Galahad - No.
Gawain - Maybe but probably no.
Bors - Nope.
Balin - Very no.
Mordred - Absolutely not.
Bedivere - Please, no.
Agravaine - Why. No.
Gareth - That's a fine name!
Gaheris - Nooooo.
Erec - Can't it just be Eric?
Caradoc - Too weird. Unacceptable.

In general: yes they'd get bullied.
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>>166596134
>>166596215
Did you guys pick the wrong post or something?
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>>166596489
nice meme
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Also E Rank luck
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>>166596215
>summer scat
>pay money
the literal state of /a/ trying to talk shit about a game they know nothing about
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>>166596568
I don't know what I'm gonna do when Summer Tamamo's released.
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>>166596506
Whats wrong with Galahad and Mordred?
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>>166596515
>>166596568
Why don't most gatchafags want to accept reality?
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>>166596652
What is "reality"? Are you trying to destroy human history too?
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>>166596568
Yes, i'm saying that FGO is objectively an extremely low quality, souless part of the series. This has been my argument from the start and i won't repeat myself, please read the thread.
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>>166596631
Who would name a kid GAYlahad and not expect them to get bullied
And Mordred just doesn't sound like a name. Has the ring of a product title to me.
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>>166596631
Not that guy, but I new an actual Galahad. Tough name to live with.
>>166596666
>6666
No, that's your job, actually Satan.
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>>166596712
>Goetia
>Satan
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>>166596666
Unless you're unable to read you can tell how that "autistic post" explains how my complaint isn't about fanservice, but how it's being done. Try reading next time.
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>>166596727
nah, Goetia is a Isekai world
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>>166596679
It's not an argument, it's an ill-conceived conception of a game you're clearly too stupid to just play
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>>166596735
You're a retard. It amounts to "muh franchise, fanservice ruins it, waaaaah".

First of all, the existence of FGO doesn't take anything away from FSN or other works at all.
Second of all, you're not compelled to play the game. You can always not pay and avoid threads with FGO material.
Third of all, no one cares about your opinion. You can choose to contribute to discussions you care about, and avoid ones you don't.

>>166596751
Nani
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>>166596349
Are you saying Hollow Ataraxia isn't canon?
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>>166585125
Those abs of steel...yum
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>>166596101
its not even his fault

wrong seig

unless it is Seig seig
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>beats archer while dead using one dismembered arm
Yeah I'm thinking he's the best
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Why don't I ever see people bitching about HA's fanservice scenes or all the pointless cooking scenes? What's with the double standard?
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>>166596335
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>>166596913
Hollow's a fandisk. That sorta thing is expected. It's supposed to have those kinds of things by default.
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>>166596913
Because FGO is literally cancer.
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>>166596913
People seem to willfully ignore the existence of Kagetsu Tohya, Melty Blood, and Hollow Ataraxia, intrinsically rejecting the fact that they're just as canon as everything else.
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>>166597060
And F/GO is a fanservice celebration painted underneath a waifu collection sim.
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>Fate Grand Order is one of the best and deep content the anime/manga related medium has to offer.


Does anyone still take them seriously?
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Objective TM Fanbase-tier list based on introduction to the Nasuverse, that is the first work you were exposed to.

>Root
KnK, Notes.
>True Ancestor
Tsukihime (VN)
>Servant
F/SN (VN)
>Counter Guardian
F/Extra
>Seal Designation Enforcers
Melty Blood, F/UC, F/Extella
>The Dead
F/SN (DEEN), F/UBW (2010), Tsukihime (false existence)
>Berserker
F/HA, Kagetsu Tohya, Carnival Phantasm, F/CCC, Battle Moon Wars
>Party van
F/Kaleid
>Shinji
F/UBW (2014)
>Incompetent Master
F/Zero
>Rulebreaker'd
F/GO
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>>166597353
>waifu/husbandofaggotry
>F/GO
There is nothing new in that of course.
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>>166596703
Well it would be name of my daughter.
>>166596712
Did he join the army?
>>166597042
So I should train them in MMA?
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>>166596913
Because those aren't mobage garbage.
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How strong is assasin ryougi shiki?Don t know much about kara no kyoukai
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>>166594608
Why are all archers so fucking smug?
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>>166597331
>>Fate Grand Order is one of the best and deep content the anime/manga related medium has to offer.

What kind of drug did he take to say that shit?
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>>166597639
She's a servant only so they can get gachabucks, don't think about it too much. Shiki from Kara no Kyoukai is situationally very strong because she can kill almost anything.
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>>166597710
>so they can get gachabucks
>while assassin Shiki is free
I think you mean that SSR Saber Shiki
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>>166597710
>Assassin Shiki
>gachabucks
dumb cunt
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>>166597766
Ah, yes. Assassin is only in for fanservice.
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>>166597639
She has MEoDP and A+ AGI, which is great in execution. Her low grade Presence Concealment and abysmal STR and END make her somewhat problematic in anything other than eliminating a single enemy, though, so many servants could deal with her with various methods, where many others would find themselves instantly slain.
Altogether, probably upper-mid-ish, somewhere similar to EMIYA or Diarmuid where she looks weak but can draw serious blood against someone much stronger.
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>>166596809
Saber's body really is perfect
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>>166597831
Stop posting on /a/ Takeuchi and finish the Tsukihime remake already.
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>>166585685
Shirou had Archer's arm and he put everything he had in using a downloaded technique that SYSTEMATICALLY render an opponent defenseless. (The crane wing technique was designed to take advantage of the fact a person could only physically have the time to parry limited amount attacks at once. Especially if they all come from different directions, which is done with projection exploit ) Saber was going easy on Shirou due to lingering respect. She was giving Shirou advice and egging him onward. She was basically rooted to the spot and didn't chase him and let him catch his breathe multiple times.
Not to mention her agility was heavily nerfed

She didn't even use her mana burst explosion ability
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>>166597710
>Shiki from Kara no Kyoukai is situationally very strong because she can kill almost anything.
She can't. It's confirmed that all of 『』 talk of omnipotence or Shiki being able to kill god is pure bullshit.
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>>166585125
>summon Lancer
What do?
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>>166597960
Take to a dog park.
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>>166597960
Be happy
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Nameless is best Archer
>is the representation of all the unsung heroes of history
>has leagues better projection than EMIYA
>can wield legendary weapons because MOONCELL hacks
>Mystic Code of Wrought Iron allows him to wield the strength of nameless heroes

How can any Archer compete at al??
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>>166598034
>fails to protect Master
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>>166586820
Nope, everything in UBW pretty much loses one rank.
And in the first place, he could 'project' NP in the first place because he is literally just pulling the NP from his inner world.
UBW is literally what allows Shirou and Emiya's projection ability.

The reality marble aspect is simply them imprinting that world upon normal space.
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>>166592249

That's great, but the site doesn't tell me anything about the translators and why I should believe them completely. An official translation would at engender the possibility that Nasu will state in no uncertain terms what the English terminology should be. Of course it could lead to another Altria situation.

>>166597572

Mobile honestly feels like it's one of the best platforms going forward, can't really believe that computer use is going to rise in Japan.
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>>166597828
Well, she's great if you don't have a single decent Assassin. Cursed Arm Hassan can only carry you so far.
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>>166590204
>>166590252
We're obviously an Avenger.
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>>166597929
I feel like Saber could have won if she took advantage of Invisible Air.
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>>166598070
>Mobile honestly feels like it's one of the best platforms going forward, can't really believe that computer use is going to rise in Japan.
In terms of money sure. But I loathe everything mobile.
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>>166590862
Because the VN literally stated that Saber's sword was faster than Kojiro's blade, mainly because of the arc it have to travel and the way he had to constantly do his special parrying as well as its length.
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>>166596631
Naming your kid Mordred is like naming your kid Judas or Benedit Arnold
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>>166598127
>can't afford a smartphone
get with the time gramps
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>>166598065
But he saved Hakuno.
He's the only one perfectly happy about saving Hakuno the way he does.
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>>166598169
He's also grateful to Hakuno for giving him the opportunity to save the world.
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>>166589703
Comptiq 2006-07 issue - Fate Dojo Q & A:

>Q: If Bazett and Kuzuki got in a hand-to-hand fight against each other, who would win?

>A: If it's the first fight, then Kuzuki will win. If it's the second fight, then Bazett would pretty much completely win. Kuzuki could even drive Saber into a corner as long as his trick was kept hidden, but Bazett is also an expert at hand-to-hand combat thought of and developed by human beings. There's the possibility that she might adapt to Kuzuki's "snake" quicker than the Servants, who are more emphasized by their talent. However, since she might underestimate Kuzuki-sensei as being a normal person, Bazett could be beaten pretty simply.
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>>166598157
But they aren't best girls.
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>>166597831
Of course
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>>166595259
You forgot Altera.
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Fucking tsukihime getting removed of Carnival phantasm in japan
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>>166598065
>fails
he saved her master while being a half-burnt man and only fell because a literal fucking ayy lmaO titan killed him. it doens't count
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>>166592999

Aoko: You see Soujurou, magecraft is what we call common rules. Think of magic systems like runes and Kaballah as being universal manuals for their respective topics. As long as you have the manual, anyone can become a magus depending on the bloodline. But using magic is different. Magic isn't a copy from the "Whirl of the Root" like magecraft, it's directly connected to the Whirl of the Root.

Aoko: This "Whirl of the Root" is....well to put it ways in you can understand, try thinking it's something like the sun. It's far, and it's the first thing that's there, so we can't live our lives without it. Magecraft is just taking advantage of the blessing of the sun. Copying natural phenomena or compensation is what magecraft is all about. We learn, practice, recreate mysteries, but we can't make mysteries ourselves. Actually, we can, at the end of our research, but there's an enormous barrier in our way. One that can't be passed by human understanding, kind of like a limiter.

Aoko: And, magic, is handling the sun itself. You're in a place no one can ever reach, and you perform miracles that can be copied by no other. It's a craft that this age's humanity can't arrive at no matter how much money and time is spent. That's what magic is.

Aoko: It's like going over the dimensional barrier, or like when you keep running, you stumble into a world with completely different rules and then learn those rules...I suppose.

Aoko: I said before that magecraft has no limits. I meant that in that if it's within the bounds of human understanding, it has no limits. On the other hand, magic is full of limits, in fact, it can only do one thing, but that's to be expected. It's the one lone spec of light that's become the outcast in the workings of the universe.
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>>166596557
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>>166598284
Soujuurou: ...Magic's more amazing than magecraft...I understand that from the flow of the topic, but it's full of limits, isn't it?

Aoko: Limits, well more along the lines of special exceptions, privileges, unauthorized powers. It doesn't have versatility, but by being able to do what no one else can do, you're made all-mighty in the world of magecraft.

Aoko: In the first place, magic's kind of like the reward for a magus who has arrived at the "Whirl of the Root", and even if that caster doesn't have the physical ability to use it, just having a path to the Root lets him mystically do anything. In other words, he becomes the richest person in the world."


Soujuurou: The richest person in the world, huh....so no matter how rich you are, if you aren't the richest, you can't receive magic?

Aoko: Yep, that's pretty much it. You know, sometimes you're able to get at the heart of the matter from the oddest of places... Like you said, even if you get to the Root with the same route, the same method, if you're not first, you won't reach magic.
However good you are, if you're not number one, you're out.


Aoko: There are five....no four people who use magic. There's only four living ones because once a route (the unknown) is used it closes (becomes established). Though, it wasn't like that a long time ago. Ironically, the ones who put up the barrier to the path to the Route.....to our arrival at the Truth, are humans themselves.

Aoko: The old magi probably never could have imagined that the more they unravelled the unknown, the more the route is closed. But the result as you can see is that the damage was already done by the time they realized it. After all that studying, magic disappeared from the face of the earth.
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>>166596506
What about Kay?
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>>166598325
Soujuurou: Huh. So, it's like how it is with the mountains and the town....right?

Aoko: Microscopically, yes it's similar. Annnnnd, just until recently, the magi of today were looking for the last remaining seat, but just a bit before, some guy from the middle of nowhere took it from them and ended the game of magical chairs. So they ended up having to continue their plain and meaningless research to get to the Root without magic.


Aoko: ...Well, then again, it had only been some magi that were looking primarily for magic, and the other normal ones had already given up on it a while ago. It's not like it’s the final objective for magi to get magic, it's to arrive at the Root. That kind of stuff got into a confused mess who knows when, like into whether chicken came before the egg or vice versa.

Soujuurou: ....Okay. I got that I don't get anything at all, so let's get moving into the main problem. Ah. But, if only the number one person can become a magic user, why are there more than one?


Aoko: There were five. But the final tasks that will remain in the end for mankind are five, is what the very first....
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>>166598169
What does he say?
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>>166597996
Is this before or after Lander dies?
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>>166585125
Lancer is the most powerful servant on paper and only loses because of plot hax.
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>>166594782
He doesn't have Clairvoyance as Archer since he basically sealed the skill on purpose.
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>>166598468
Cu a man of good taste.
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What's the point of Rider's special skill being riding shit when Saber and Archer and shit all just hop on cars and bikes and instantly know how to drive them anyway? How useless
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>>166598468
>once you've matured

Lancer tells the truth and dies for it. Business as usual.
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>>166592957
Raikou is fucking hideous
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>>166586977
>>166586884
Saber Alter was also restricted by the terrain and prevented from using Excalibur for risk of cave-in. Saber is fighting with pure swordsmanship, which Shirou couldn't win against without cheating with multiple sword projections.
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>>166585235
Archer, Saber and Lancer were designed to be better than the other four.

The reason Saber is viewed better than the others isn't by design, but because there's a pattern of them making it the finals. How much that means is open-ended.
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>>166598535
He still has it to some extent. Why do you think he knew Archer was a Faker? Just because he sealed it away doesn't mean it's not there. In fact, he can't really seal it away completely. Visions still leak through whether he likes it or not.
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>>166592999
Read the Fuyuki wiki which I'm surprised is still around

http://tatari.byethost33.com/fuyuki/magic.htm

Akasha

根源 - Kongen

"God". The Root. The source of everything in the universe and the end of everything in the universe. The place where all phenomena originates. The goal of the magus is to reach it. One way of describing it would be "ultimate knowledge", but the term ultimate relies on parameters and reduces it to being something finite.

Araya tried to uncover it by tracing the roots of the soul, something that is there but not there (Schrödinger's cat; quantum mechanics); transparent and hence the focal point of a group conscious could be reached by working through it. Touko worked with the roots of the human body itself with the intention of creating the original human body; currently modern humans have become too complex and diverse genetically, as a result they cannot reach the grand source (which would be supported by Gilgamesh's assertions about humanity and Noble Phantasms (a number of additional powers may be developed but the weapon itself becomes too mongrelized as a result?) and the Unified Language theory). Tohsaka Nagato had believed he could reach it by reaching the state of nothingness (based on his martial arts background); enlightenment essentially.
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>>166598615
They were designed to have the advantage in stats, but the three families eventually found out that NPs and skill set matters more for effectiveness. And eventually other people found out compatibility also matters alot.
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>>166598565
She really is
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>>166598634
Because Archer have already demonstrated his special ability multiple times, and even out in the open in UBW
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>>166598718
Gilgamesh wasn't watching all those times.
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>>166598738
He plenty of opportunities to easily witness them, especially since the overwhelming vast majority demonstrates takes places at important locations.
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>>166598738
Not to mention Lancer was gathering information too
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>>166598782
>The efficacy of the Noble Phantasm, Sha Naqba Imuru, is tremendous; not to mention the opponent's True Name and Noble Phantasm, it can even see through a heavily concealed truth with a single glance.
>Although it is in a condition of being continuously invoked, one can also assume that it is being intentionally restrained.

>Question: So there is still quite a bit of background information that has yet to be revealed.
>Narita: That’s right. One of the most core pieces of information had been about the conditions for becoming a Heroic Spirit. This was revealed in a bonus novel that came with the UBW 1st season BD box. About how Merlin is still alive in the present so he can’t become a Heroic Spirit. As Gilgamesh is also a fellow clairvoyance user, I asked about the state of Gilgamesh’s memories when he’s summoned. The answer I got was that Gilgamesh can see the possibilities of various parallel worlds if he so chooses, but the Throne adjusts the memories and knowledge of the Heroic Spirit according to the world they are summoned in, so he won’t be confused by having multiple sets of memories. I was told that even if he did use clairvoyance to see the possibility of a world where he was swallowed by the mud of the grail, Gilgamesh would reject that world line as being nonsense. I heard a bit of the workings of the Greater Grail, what it was based on, and other bits of important background information for Fate, but I believe Nasu will one day write the story of how the Greater Grail was disassembled!
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>>166598873
and that isn't relevant
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>>166597710

Those are some nice boots.

>>166598127

The only things off the top of my head that I don't like about my tablet are the typing, storage space, not being able to save images like I would on PC, and needing to recharge it. Tablets seem like a great platform for VNs outside of possibly their sound performance. It also seems more open to me compared to trying to get your product on a console or handheld.
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>>166598975
>typing, storage space, not being able to save images like I would on PC, and needing to recharge it. Tablets seem like a great platform for VNs outside of possibly their sound performance
So basically it's shit.
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>>166586324
first and second 'wars' were shit shows where there were only 3 masters and nothing worked right. Third is where it really get dumb, Midget head exploding assassin, 2 sabers, the Einzburns deciding to summon avenger instead of Berserker, just a mess. The 4th, due to avenger being summoned, now has bad guys being summoned (caster) and turned the grail from a 'cup' of pure mana into a monkeys paw. 5th is the final shit show, cause after Waver and his T-1000 meido waifu dismantle it.
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>>166598565

This sums up my disappointment in Raita having no leash when he does work for Valkyria Chronicles that isn't for the games themselves.

>>166599090

It can be more comfortable and at times that is a decent trade-off.
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>>166599280
>It can be more comfortable and at times that is a decent trade-off.
To you maybe. I don't need or want to play mobile games. I want to do all this shit behind my computer which is actually comfortable and easy to use.
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>>166598951
He could see what Shirou was going to trace and he could seemingly read his mind when Shirou figured out his identity, And also whether Saber was a virgin or not.
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>>166588866
How good would they be in a HGW?
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>Strongest class
The Beasts say hi.
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>>166599540
>mommy tiamat was just mad her human children wouldn't suck her tits no more
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>>166599619
And even then she loved her children.

>constantly sealing herself to prevent herself from killing off humanity if she ever manifests fully
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Who are the top 5 servants?

Gil/Herc/Karna/Merlin/Solomon sounds like a good line up. Maybe toss in old man Hassan somewhere
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>>166599325
You seriously need to do some rereading.
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>>166599805
>somewhere
Old man Hassan soloed Grail-buffed Gawain under the sun, and won.
He also gave Tiamat the concept of death no problem, all that were done without his Grand container.

King Hassan was a Grand, he is top tier even without his Grand container.
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>>166599997
Didn't he explicitly have to sacrifice his Grand status to do that?
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>>166585477
>Could btfo anyone if he didn't have a hardon on himself

Yeah sure, 3rd weakest
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>>166599997
Yeah I know all that. It's just that the elite tier of servants are all OP bullshit so I dunno where to put him.

Swap him with Gil or Herc or something I guess
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>>166593894
Actually, does Gilgamesh get weaker with Kotomine dead halfway through the route? Even if he's incarnated he still needs a Master to tie him to the world and for prana right?
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>>166600146
Even if his stats are worse off it doesn't matter much since almost all of his worth is in GoB
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>>166599997
>>166600015
Revoking his Grand status doesn't immediately remove the buffs it grants. He basically burned them out all in an instant for that one strike.
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>>166600240
I guess even a Grand can't take on a Beast alone. That's probably why there are seven of them to begin with.
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>>166600221
Normally yes, but if he's forced into melee combat like in UBW he'll then be outclassed in stats and skill. And if he is forced to use EA, which should cost extraordinary amounts of mana, he'll end up further drained of his limited prana supply. Using Excalibur once is enough to make Saber almost disappear and EA should be beyond that in cost.
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>>166600437
Dude, the reason Saber almost died is because she had no means to restore her mana. She couldn't receive any from Shirou, so she was basically slowly dying since the moment she was summoned.

Also, melee combat isn't normally a problem, since he can just draw out exactly the weapon he needs to deal with the opponent at hand. This tactic doesn't work on Shirou, since he can consistently draw the exact same weapon and faster.
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>>166600507
At that point, neither did Gil. Kotomine was dead, and Caster killed all the orphans. Gil only had his own mana to fall back on




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