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What is the purpose of this character?
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>>172997284
To make Akio a tragic villain.
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>>172997320
I don't think it worked.
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To filter out the yuri fags. I don't think it worked.
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>>172997284
To be my beautiful husbando and the embodiment of being a perfect prince.
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>>172997350
He can still be tragic even if you don't sympathize with him.
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What is the purpose of this character?
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>>172998252
Perfect girl who did nothing wrong. Fuck Ruka.
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>>172997284
Looking good.
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>>172998479
>Perfect girl who did nothing wrong
Stop defending lying sluts.
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>>172998754
That's just Juri's imagination.
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>>172998754
Fuck I wish that were me
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>>172998854
She's still a lying slut, it's undeniable. You hate Ruka because he proved it.
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>>172998754
Ruka is the lying slut
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>>172999019
Ruka was a based boy who only wanted Juri to be free of that absolute witch Shiori.
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>>172998854
Did it actually never happen for real? It's been a while
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>>172997284
>ITT: things women will never understand
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>>172999064
It did happen, that entire event was the at core of her complex.
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>>172999057
More like Ruka was a bitch boy. In the end Juri and Shiori were working on their relationship.
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>>172997284
To do literally nothing wrong
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>>172997284
To sacrifice his sister to the peasant riots
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>>172999126
But was it really not just her imagination? I mean it's not like she could see that particular moment as she was blinded.
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>>172999586
Pretty sure that was just Ikuhara's visual symbolism for what happened.
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>>172997284
To emphasize the feminist message of the show. Akio/Dios was a prince but turned into a scumbag, Utena is a woman but makes better prince than a man.
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>>172999989
>feminist message of the show
Utena lost though
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>>172999989
>utena
>feminist
are you sure you watched the same show, or are you just a women yourself, in which case you'd be excused since you wont ever understand anyways
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>>172997284
To remind you that Akio is a literal manchild.
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>>173000106
How did she lose if she kept her purity and ideals
That was the premise
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>>173000254
>if she kept her purity and ideals
big if true
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>>173000254
We don't even know if she exists as she was anymore
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>>173000254
>kept her purity
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>>173000461
She did. Do you brainlets seriously not understand what was that scene with Akio for?
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>>172998252
>>172998754
Why Juri was in love with her? She was a horrible deceiving person.
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>>173000146
Are you fucking dense? Not that guy but you are an absolute idiot if you think Utena doesn't have a feminist message. Please never post about Utena again.
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>>173000733
Not him, but it doesn't. There's nothing political about Utena.
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>>173000733
>Utena
>the show where literally everything is driven by testosterone, meanwhile all the girls are mere decoration to be pushed around in any direction some man wants
>all girls are being played like a fiddle, utena in particular and including her "ending"
>feminist message
you're exactly like the girls in the show, that just see what the want to see.
>played like a fiddle
exactly.
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>>173000773
Are you retarded? Are you delusional? Are you from /pol/?
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>>173000106
Utena thought she lost because she couldn't be the princely ideal she thought was necessary to save Anthy but she actually won because her relationship with Anthy inspired Anthy to leave the school and quit being the Rose Bride. Anthy leaves at the end to find her prince just like Utena did at the start and the cycle repeats, AKA a revolution.
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>>173000916
>implying everything didn't exactly go according to Akio's plans
>implying Akio lost, since he's supposedly still in his "cofffin" at the end of the show
some just will never learn, and be played like a fiddle all their life.
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>>173000907
Is this bait? I honestly don't want to waste time arguing with you if you're shitposting. Did it ever occur to you that feminism is concerned with unequal power structures between men and women and maybe the fact the girls are manipulated could be part of that message? Feminism isn't "Grrl power" it's concerned with a lot of things Utena touches on.

Also Akio is useless without Anthy who is the true source of his power, and Utena ends up rejecting the offer Akio makes her and revolutionizes the school. The show is definitely NOT fueled solely by testosterone you dummy. It makes me sad that such a great work of art is so routinely completely misinterpreted in these threads. It's not even subtle about the feminist stuff there is no excuse.
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>>173001190
He's been pushing that bait in the last few Utena threads I've seen.
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>>173000682
I think that's sort of the point. Love can be irrational and hard or impossible to control. Juri at one point asks "Why can't I set my feelings free?" She knows Shiori has devolved into a crazy bitch but she just can't let it go, probably due to her idealizing the past.
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>>173001190
>>173001295
>cognitive dissonance
>surely it must be bait
try again, ladies. And again, you'll never understand, and just repeat the same farcical processes all over again.
>women
I know, right?
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>>173001190
>It makes me sad that such a great work of art is so routinely completely misinterpreted in these threads.
you dumbass are just reiterating the bullshit you've read on reddit or other blogs.
>surely if something got circlejerked with so many upboots it must be true
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>>172997435
This.
Unfortunately it didn't work as yurifags being cucks and all, liked the interracial BLACKED hetero just as much (probably more) as they like yuri.
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Real question is what was the purpose of Touga. He seems like a completely worthless character that only exist to enable other characters to do something.
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>>173002059
>playboy of the whole fucking school
>a completely worthless character
oh, please.
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>>173002059
He had pretty nice character development via Utena though.
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>>173002172
So what that he's a playboy? He has no character development outside of "I tried to win over Utena but it didn't work, I might be in love with this strong independant woman". What is his purpose really?
>>173002222
Literally any other duelist had more development than him. Even Miki.
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>>173002250
I guess he is more of a plot device really, but I don't think he's an inherently bad character though.
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>>173002250
>Literally any other duelist had more development than him.
character development is not needed if you're already awesome as fuck.
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What's the purpose of this character?
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>>173002059
Touga gets pretty interesting in the third season and gets more backstory in the movie which may or may not be canon to the series. I think he's an exploration of negative masculinity like Akio except while Touga is in charge of the council Akio is in charge of the school. It's implied in the 2nd season that there are forces even beyond Akio as well, so I think it's sort of saying there's always a bigger fish. Touga wants control very badly but he gives up his autonomy to achieve it, until he falls in love with Utena. Even then he still ends up dueling her in the way Akio has conditioned him to. He's a very messed up guy and the series is making a point by showing how everyone, especially girls, fawn over him without knowing what he is really like.
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>>173002430
where did you get this encode, I've been trying to find it for so long
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>>173002358
How was he awesome, Touga is chad bishounen stereotype. Kinda like movie Akio but more friendly.
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>>173002250
You're forgetting his relationship with Saionji which develops over the series in a major way. He goes from burning his diary in the 1st season to dueling with him in the 3rd season. Touga is the least developed character of the main cast but he doesn't have no development. The movie gives him a lot more attention too.
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>>173002463
>an exploration of negative masculinity
>negative masculinity
just.
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At what age did you realize Anthy was a better character than Utena and Shiori was a better character than Juri?
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>>173002479
It was on Nyaa at some point.
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>>172998252
I love when she was publicly humiliated in front of the entire school, one of the best moments.
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>>173002621
Never really got the Juri appeal. She always seemed so distant to me.
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Where did she found a broadaxe in a rose garden?
What did she needed an axe for in the rose garden?
Why didn't she gave an axe to Utena during the fight with Saionji and let her use the broom instead?
How many secrets are buried under the roses?
>>173000526
We don't.
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>>173004943
Is the film worth watching? I've already rewatched the series 3 times now and still love it, yet I've always felt hesitant on watching that film.
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>>173002621
>Anthy was a better character than Utena
From the very beginning.
>Shiori was a better character than Juri
Never. I just can't understand why does Shiori act like this.
>>173005499
>s the film worth watching?
Yes.
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>>173002621
Hopefully never.
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Utena is neither feminist nor anti-woman, fuck your political bullshit.
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>>173005703
You're right. I always find it fascinating how people keep trying to make this feminist argument for Utena, as if western political ideology could make any sort of sense in the context of Japanese animation.
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>>173005499
yes. the film is an absolute trip. everything is turned up to eleven. even the music is somehow better.
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>>173005903
One of Utena's major themes is "roles and their rejection by people they are thrust on". Like, Utena herself spends whole series denying the role of a princess that "befits" her. Not even Akio's devilish seduction skills can't sway her for long. Her nobility of heart and propensity for action puts her outside of her gender-assigned role and lets her succeed in what even a god failed to do.
Which, I'd say, is quite a feminist statement.
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>>173006987
Or you could just call it an act of liberation, which is inherent in the pursuit of "revolution". I still don't think you can denote pure western feminism onto Utena.
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The fights of Utena against the other students were fun to watch but the rest of the show is a borefest with pseudo deep intellectualism
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>>173007244
But, for the most part, the fights took no longer than a minute.
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>>173007291
That's how bad the rest of the show is.
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>>173007244
>the rest of the show is a borefest with pseudo deep intellectualism
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>>173007244
This is embarrassing.
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Why haven't you slept with a middle schooler yet /a/?
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>>173007433
Just describing reality
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>>173007437
Jail doesn't sound too fun
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>>173007112
Act of liberation for women and by women, specifically.
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>>173007506
The reality that you're a retard, yes.
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>>173007112
Utena is about a lot of things. One of the things is feminism. In fact it is probably the biggest and most obvious subject after memory. Whether you want to see it that way or not there are several pretty obvious nods to feminist ideas such as the princess/witch dichotomy which is very similar to the madonna/whore complex. Feminism is also a thing in Asia, especially the kind of feminism Utena shows which is pretty noncontroversial honestly. It's more 2nd wave feminism than 3rd wave if I am remembering my terms correctly. The show is obviously concerned with women's subjugated place in society as well as how gender roles can hurt both men and women which is pretty much the definition of feminism. If you want to pretend Utena has no feminist influences that is on you, but the text is so blatant about it you're depriving yourself of a lot of meaning by doing so.
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>>173007244
What's the matter? 2 deep 4 u?
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>>172997284
To fall. And to remind his fallen self of what he lost.
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Is it true that this show inspired Madoka?
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>>173002430
However easy it may be to paint the onion prince as weak/beta or lacking in conviction, he seems to be one of the only characters in Utena who is able to love without some form of selfishness or resentment towards the other party.
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>>173008011
I can't find amy evidence that it was but it seems likely given how influentual Utena was and some similar themes between them.

Of course Utena is much better than Madoka though.
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>>173007437
My heart belongs to the rose bide. Though I've never met a girl that would look like her.
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>>173008011
Pretty sure Butcher has never watched Utena. Shinbo legit storyboarded that one Kyouko episode though.
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>>173008011
Utena has influenced so much that most things are now influenced by things that were influenced by things that were influenced by Utena. Probably only in a very diluted way.
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>>173008011
No Madoka is Ryuki.
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>>173009477
What is Ryuki?
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>>173000773
>feminism
>politics
are you retarded
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>>173009507
Kamen Rider Ryuki. Madoka is directly ripped off Ryuki.
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>>173000773
There's plenty of political about Utena. There's plenty of politics in pretty much everything you just can't grasp Japanese political structure so you ignore it.
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>>173004943
Akio was found buried in the garden
It's known that people used to dig with the knives, when they couldn't reach for shovel.
Maybe he was buried with an axe?
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>>173004943
Anthy is actually a serial killer. Most people don't realize Ikuhara's favorite book was American Psycho, though the after credits scene featuring a cameo by Huey Lewis and the News gives a strong hint.
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>>173010974
Kek
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>>173008430
Anthy is really ugly unless her hair is down.
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>>173009477
>>173009640
I thought it was Bokurano
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>>173011257
This guy gets it,

I spent half the series thinking she was ugly as fuck, then they put her hair down and it turns out she's beautiful. Why did they trick me like this?
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>>173002430
At least he was pretty well adjusted, all things told.
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>>173011257
No. She's always perfect
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>>173011337
I always thought she made herself look homey on purpose so no one would pay attention to her and found out what a cunt she really is.
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>>173011413
God he makes me wet. Would give him my virginity and become his sexual plaything.
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>>173011616
So beautiful
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>>173011616
My nigga.
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>>172997284
The Prince is the ideal image of maturity. Akio is the reality of maturity
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>>173005499
yes
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>>173005499
The film is worth watching but it goes completely off the rails for the last third. IMO the first 2/3 of the film is 9/10 with several 10/10 scenes then after a certain point (you know what I'm talking about if you've seen it) it instantly degrades to a 4/10 at best.
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Was very surprised with how goofy the show was. I was always told how serious it was, guess I was lied to. Pleasantly surprised though, it was a very enjoyable watch.
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>>173013522
The story is ultimately serious, but it whiplashes between serious shit and bizarre comedy all the time.
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>>173013522
Utena's tone is one of the most unique things about it. Mawaru Penguindrum has similar mood swings between zany antics and realistic drama so maybe it's an Ikuhara thing.
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>>173013485
I agree with every single sentence of this post as if i was the one posted
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>>173013522
They didn't lie to you, exactly. There's just super serial stuff and super silly stuff. But most people don't think about Chu-Chu at first.
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>>172997541
Mmmno thats not it. What else?
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>>173012718
Though she was stabbed with a thounsand swords (and probably thousand of cocks through the centuries of her life), I would still try to conquer her
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>>173015654
But she is for Utena only
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>>173002479
Depending on how much you care, bullshit your way into an AB account, it isn't that hard. Pretty sure mine got got in the most recent purge, I haven't used it for anything since I pretty much only watch currently airing stuff, otherwise I'd toss you an invite.

That's where I got my BD rips at least, the have the full OST too, it's something like 9 discs.
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>>173013485
Ehh, I wouldn't say 9/10, the "payoff" is definitely a disappointment, which I guess could have soured the buildup for me, but I think those two things are pretty entwined. The first dancing scene with the reflection though, hooooooly shit.
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>>173016296
It's not on AB, I've remembering seeing that particular encode on nyaa a long time ago too, but now it's gone.
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>>173016060
Utena is dead
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>>173016804
DELETE THIS. She is only gone from the world Akio controls.
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What is the purpose of this character?
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>>173017014
He has the same tie and earring as Akio and is Anthy's familiar. He represents Anthy's repressed desires, and also serves as her vessel to attack Nanami.

Plus he's pretty cute.
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>>173017014
he symbolizes all that women will never understand, or rather what's left of it without that understanding. A playful pet to be toyed and played like a fiddle.
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it's still trying
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>>173017081
I thought chu chu was Ikuni's self insert.
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>>173011413
ONCE YOU GO BROWN, THE OTHER COLORS LET YOU DOWN
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Did Ruka ultimately achieve anything? From what I recall, he just dies offscreen and Juri continues to love Shiori.
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>>173018411
He sort of enables Juri's and Shiori's relationship to develop so he doesn't achieve the goal he set out for but he does help her after a fashion.
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My other car is utena
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Fucking retards, Utena is a gnostic anime
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>>173018411
The twist at the end of the Ruka arc hit me hard, good shit.
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>>173019498
>he literally did nothing wrong
like all the boys in this animu.
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>>172997284
Personally, the point of his character is too highlight the 'ideals' that people hold, specifically the ideals that Akio held when he was young. Then to contrast it with the person Akio had become; as one of the major themes of Utena is that of the disillusionment of ideals.
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>>173019537
Except Wakaba's beta orbiter
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>>172998754
Another Darling the Franxx thread. For fuck sakes.
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>>173018411
>Did Ruka ultimately achieve anything?
He got to kiss and fight with his waifu before dying
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>>173019755
He should have converted her straight.
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>>173019667
he might not have done something right, but also he did absolutely nothing wrong. It's a reoccuring pattern throughout the whole anime. And if you really want to go a level deeper: make a case stuy of utena, and when she did do something right (always as a prince/boy), and when she did something wrong (always as a princess/girl).
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>>173019744
It's not the same, Shiori deliberately went out of her way twice to destroy Juri emotionally.
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>>173019792
>Akio did nothing wrong
>Touga did nothing wrong
Even Saionji did wrong, though he got better
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>>173019791
Close enough
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>>173019833
bullshit. They might have lost a game/battle, or two. But that's not the same as doing wrong. Not at all. Maybe watch it again?
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>>173019937
Tell me how Akio did nothing wrong without being an edgy contrarian. Protip: you can't.
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>>173020015
the correct proof here consists in refuting any accusations of wrong doing. The other way around, like you suggest, isn't possible, you silly brainlet.
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>>173020015
Being edgy and contrarian is the whole point of that faggot's posts though.
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>>173014066
I'd say even Ikuhara's Sailor Moon episodes have that same whiplash feel.

Compare the one about that big fat cat that falls in love with Luna to the final episode of season one.
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>>173007437
Would just be awkward sleeping with someone that has more experience than me.
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>>173019744
Is DitF actually worth a watch? Episode 1 was just so generic and it's a pg13 show so it's not like there's going to be anything explicit which means I'm basically not the target audience. Why is it so popular on /a/?
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>>172997284
To make people go, "Hm, Akio isn't the biggest ass on this show after all."
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>>173021914
>Is DitF actually worth a watch?
hell no
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>>173022037
I...just...want...to...like...anime...again.
Why do they make it so difficult?
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>>173022080
maybe Promare will be something if you like Trigger.
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>>173019833
>Saionji became a better person after getting DP'ed by Akio and Touga

What did Ikuhara mean by this?
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>>173022339
>What did Ikuhara mean by this?
boys take care of their boys, meanwhile girls fight bitchfights with other girls.
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>>173021914
It's not bad. I like it. Ignore the retarded hyper fans and haters. Give it a watch and you'll know for yourself what you think. There were things about the first episode I thought were generic at a time that seem to take on a different light in retrospect.
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>>173022429
>boys take care of their boys

Like how Mikage took care of his boys, amirite?
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>>173022701
absolutely. He prepared them their path, like good bros do. The show must go on. You just don't get any of this.
>he think he gets utena after having read some blag/reddit rewatch crap
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>>173022510
I just don't see the point in watching PG13 anime. They're too safe.
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>>173022896
But there's on screen sex in it. Do anime ratings even mean anything? I've never looked at them.
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>>173022953
What episode?
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>>173022997
Most recent one.
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>>173022896
But Utena is PG13
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>>173023066
the movie isn't. But that honestly surprised me.
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>>173022813
You can stop shitposting now.
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>>173023135
Japs rate things differently than Westerners do. There's nothing explicit enough in the TV series to warrant an art despite all the sexual metaphors.
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>>173023217
an R rating, not an art. I'm tired.
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>>173022953
>But there's on screen sex in it.
There isn't
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>>173022510
>There were things about the first episode I thought were generic at a time that seem to take on a different light in retrospect.
Because its even more generic than yoy can imagine
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>>173023495
>yoy
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>>173021914
>Is DitF actually worth a watch?
No especially if you loved Utena.
>Why is it so popular on /a/?
It attracts kids.
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>he's not watching Franxx
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>>173023556
Like most people
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>>173023554
>No especially if you loved Utena.
Yeah unlike Utena, Franxx supports the cisheteronormative patriarchy.
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>>173023602
>Like most people over the age of 18
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>>173021914
I actually dropped Franxx and pick up Utena. Smartest decision ever.
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>>173021914
It's just okay. Could get better or much worse depending on the direction of the last several episodes. Most of the disdain for it is a knee-jerk reaction for both having a very cancerous fanbase and not being a masterpiece that lives up to the hype of over-excited children.
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>>173023794
>Most of the disdain for it is a knee-jerk reaction for both having a very cancerous fanbase and not being a masterpiece that lives up to the hype of over-excited children.
No its just not a good show. If you're a mecha fad you'll be disappointed because tge designs are shit and the fights suck ass, if you actually care about good writing you're better off watching something else.
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>>173023794
>Could get better
no, the 18 boring episodes we've seen so far can not get better. Watching them sucked. End of the story.
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>>173023875
>if you actually care about good writing you're better off watching something else.
The writing is simply atrocious. I have no idea how nobody stepped in to at least try to do something about it.
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>>173023875
>>173023879
As exemplified here, you can't even have a neutral opinion about it without being jumped on by people pissed off about it.
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>>173023941
>two anons point out the fact that the show doesnt do anything right to merit even lukewarm reaction
>s-s-stop ganging up on me
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>>173024053
You guys are just as bad as the kids who say it's AOTY, there truly is such a thing as negative hype. I watched it expecting an awful trainwreck and got something mediocre but watchable. People who watch it after it airs will have no idea why anyone cared this much about this show.
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>>173024110
>something mediocre but watchable
if that doesn't piss you off, you're watching far to much anime. just stop.
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>>173024166
>you're watching too much anime
Where do you think you are?
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>>173024110
I don't think either of them called it a godawful trainwreck just that it wasn't worth watching. If Franxx was terrible it would at least be entertaining but as of now its Captain Earth tier.
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>>173024166
This. The only things worth watching are things you enjoy and will remember. Saying shit like
>it could be worse
Is a stupid waste of time
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DiTF claims another thread
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>>173024229
Exactly. There's always going to be worse shit out there so what's in Franxx that makes it worth watching?
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Juri is the best girl.
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>>173024279
Can't be helped.
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>>173024353
People who hate it take about almost as many posts talking about it.
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>>173021914
Yes.

Second best show of this year.
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>>173024317
>what's in Franxx that makes it worth watching?
The weekly banter and shitposting, really. I'm only still watching it for completion and for the threads. It's not often we get to rally around anime originals en masse.
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>>173024430
>I'm only still watching it for completion
Sad. Honestly.
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>>173024166
I marathoned it with no expectations about a week ago and it was fairly enjoyable. Can't speak for anyone else.
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>>173024463
It's like you didn't read the rest of my post at all.
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>>173024477
You posted it.
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>>173024476
So you have low ass standards.
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Why did everyone end up falling in love with Utena?
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>>173024577
Sorry, I guess. I enjoy a lot of different types of anime. It's nothing special but it's entertaining.
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>>173024347
This. You have excellent taste, my friend.
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>>173024577
That describes anyone who likes Franxx basically
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>>173023495
> T. Watched 3 episodes.
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>>173024606
because of her testosterone levels. She showed some drive, usually only seen in boys. Utena is all about testosterone and how it makes the world go round.
>uhh ohh that edgy type again
eat shit reddit
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>>173024577
I think being able to find enjoyment in many different kinds of things makes life more enjoyable.
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>>173024715
>Blessed are the poor in the spirit
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>>173024676
Actually 15 but please explain how childhood friends isn't the most generic fucking thing to base your relationship on.
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>>172998252
how can anyone even TRY to defend this absolute bitch? honestly, I do not hate a character more than her.
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>>173024715
I think not settlung for mediocrity abd venturing outside yoyr comfort zibe makes life more enjoyable.
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>>173024781
Utena is my favorite anime, but I also have fun watching things like Franxx. There's very few types of anime I can't enjoy. In the end it's all just entertainment, you watch different things for different reasons. There's only so many things that are really, actually great, so I'm not worried about running out of time to enjoy them. It's not like I enjoy literally everything, and no one is forced to watch or like a show that doesn't suit them. But if I have fun watching something, it seems silly to force myself not to just to preserve "good taste" or not "lower myself" something like that. It just means depriving myself of an enjoyable experience.
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>>173024606
Because she's literally the perfect woman.
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>>173018411
Juri stops pining pathetically even if her feelings are still there so that's good enough
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>>173024771
she's hot. And anything else can be dealt with, given you're not short on testosterone. In fact, a good challenge is always a pleasent surprise.
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>>173024931
you couldn't be more wrong. In fact, she's actually the biggest "challenge" the boys ever met so far. That should explain everything already, if you're paying attention.
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>>173024992
>chinese pottery emblems
>high test
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>>173021914
I like it very much; SKU is my favorite anime if this tells you anything about my taste
If you are thinking of giving it a try, I recommend at least watching until episode 4, after which you would have gotten enough of a taste of it to judge whether or not you want to continue with it.
Stylistically, it conveys most of its story through showing rather than telling, so I've had a lot of fun rewatching it and picking up on things that I missed the first time around; the first half seems pretty shallow, but with what's revealed in the second half, one can turn back and see how densely packed it is.
Not nearly as dense or as well constructed as Utena, but there is enough to cut apart and explore in it that I'm having fun watching it.
It's really light on action, so don't expect a real /m/an's show or anything.
Additionally, I very much want to see the main girl, Zero Two, in Utena's uniform
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>>173025051
Maybe I should rephrase: She's literally the perfect woman for me**
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>>173024606
Utena is an actual example of a 10/10 character design
Perfect in composition
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>>173025106
>he said the wrongthink
Prepare to be corrected, anon
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>>173025162
Too bad the artstyle in the show itself is so pointy and ugly
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>>173024715
>different kind of things
So not in this anime then? Because this anime is just the same.

>>173024751
Why watch something you know is just insulting you?
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>>173025106
>rewatching Franxx episodes
>already
Why do you waste your time like this when there's still so much more out there to watch?
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>>173025162
>Utena is an actual example of a 10/10
it's good, but never a 10/10 with all the repetition and reused shots. Granted, that's not that big of a deal.
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>>173025220
Shit taste: the post.
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>>173025250
I just did it during the golden week gap.
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>>173025282
The repetition makes it better. I know it's because of budget constraints but they use it artfully.
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>>173025282
I meant that Tenjou Utena, the character, is a 10/10 character design
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Reminder that Utena is just a slut with daddy issues taking comfort in black dick and also pussy just to be rebellious.
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>>173025382
>daddy issues
It's more of a dead parents in general issue.
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>>173025282
Older shows, like Utena, also watch better if you spread out your viewing sessions.
The repetition isn't so bothersome if you watch a couple episodes a week, at least limiting yourself to two or three each day. Marat honing Macross 7, for example, will kill you unless you pace yourself, or are really deeply in love with Planet Dance; watching a few episodes each week is not so bad
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>>173025318
>The repetition makes it better.
yeah, I like the entrace/spiral sequence, and especially the evelator sequences during the black rose arc too. But not all repetition is good. The weakest part are the fights, which frankly, were mostly boring, and always done in the same way, with the same uninteresting shots and the rose that got cut off offscreen. Meh. Were you guys "hyped" for any of these fights? Me neither.
The one with Yuri, where the medallion got destroyed was nice, however. The show always knew when to break this kind of repetition up again. Most of the time.
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>>173025424
Daddy issues are the default for girls so it defaults.
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>>173025467
The fights were probably the least interesting part of Utena, yeah. Always worth it to hear zettai unmei mokushiroku though.
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>>173025477
mostly true.
>see miki and his sister: daddy issues
>see nanami: daddy issues
and so on... Thanks god the boys are around to fix em.
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>>173025467
>>173025514
I hear that they were originally going to be gunfights.
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>>173025467
The music really helped carry the fights for me, especially as animation was reused for each character's every fight.
The Juri/Shiori/Ruka fights, were the best animated ones by far
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>>173025519
B-but Miki is a boy
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>>173025535
like in a proper duel? That could have been fun. Then again, a sword duel seems to offer more opportunity to chat a bit inbetween, and build up some kind of tension, etc..
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>>173024771
Because she's interesting, and she was right that Juri could be pretty fucking pathetic in her white knighting
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>>173025535
They probably would have been old-style type gun duels, I guess. Not sure how well that would have worked.
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>>173025535
I thought there was originally going to be another few dueling stages, WITH guns being one of the final ones, and jousting on horseback as another; like how we see Utena and Anthy armoured up in the OP
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>>173025550
I was just refering to miki's sister. What was her name again? LalalaKosue?
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>>173025623
Kozue was best girl.
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>>173025106
>densely packed
Kek
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>>173024916
>>173025106
I'm not sure how anyone can say Utena is tgeir favorite anime and like Franxx
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>>173025704
Anime isn't competitive sports. Liking one thing doesn't preclude you from liking something else.
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Why is the black rose arc so shit
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>>173025704
I like Utena and KLK. Is this allowed?
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>>173025787
But it was great,
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>>173025787
Shit taste. Mikage a BEST boy.
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>>173025799
>caring what other people think of your taste
Pathetic
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>>173025591
Apparently this novel, Shounen Ou, from the ohtori.nu, deals with Guns the way Utena was supposed to deal with them.
I haven't read it yet, but you can find it in their creators/miscellaneous section

>>173025704
Maybe I just like assertive pink-haired girls and floral imagery. Your guess is a good as mine
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>>173025799
Maybe if you have a uniform fetish
Maybe
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>>173025840
>caring what other people think of your taste
yes, anon, that was the point of my post. now be so kind and go kill yourself over there, will you?
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>>173025814
Mikage is the only redeeming part of that repetitive snorefest
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>>173025892
>a uniform fetish
maybe
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>>173025894
Satsuki wouldn't say something like that
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>>173025926
satsuki is only smiling, the voice you heard was from someone else.
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damn, is it really all about the uniforms? And I haven't even noticed up until now? What am I even doing with my life?!
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>>173025909
I liked how it fleshed out the secondary characters; like someone mentioned earlier, or in and older thread, the Onion Prince thing really hit me pretty hard
Also, the thing where the coffin would pull through the wall and get ejected into the flames gave me a little jump everytime it happened, it still give me the chills when I see it
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>>173025909
The entire arc/Mikage's character was also foreshadowing Utena's ending. I also didn't really care for that arc the first time I watched Utena, but I said it once and I will say it again: Utena gets immensely better on multiple rewatches.
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>>173025990
Were you like the Onion Prince?
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>>173025989
Your only option now is to Revolutionize the World
if you literally bring a communist or fascist world revolution you can truly live your uniform fetish every day.
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>>173026062
Me? No, but how Mikage told him he was too pure was so out of left field it disjarred me, and made me stop to reflect on both of their characters, as well as what Mikage meant by purity
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I dislike how everyone is controlled by their feelings instead of using reason.
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>>173025467
I do think the fights aren't as interesting as they could be. Another aspect of the repetition is in the name "revolutionary" girl Utena as in another turn of the wheel another cycle. That theme of repetitipn carries throughout basically the whole show both visually, structurally, and narratively. It was definitely due to budget constraints but they turned their weakness into a strength which is pretty dang smart.
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>>173026118
I don't really see how he was pure. Less fucked up than the other black roses by far, but I wouldn't call him pure.
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>>173026071
>Your only option now is to Revolutionize the World
fuck. me.
Oh well then. Did you already prepare a way for me to go, anon?
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>>173026122
Is this a generic statement, or something about SKU?
Why do you dislike it?
Does it cut deeply into you, or are you so sterile that you find emotions inconvenient?
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>>173026122
Gee anon it's almost like the cast are all children. Also IRL people of all ages are controlled by their feelings probably even you a lot of the time.
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>>173026142
>Pure
Shit, I meant just how Mikage told him how he didn't belong there
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What was the best Nanami episode and why was it the curry one?
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>>173026170
Was referring to Utena since it's a thread about her.
Being sentimental is a detriment for someone who wants to see the world for what it is, outside of lenses.
Liking truth leads one to dislike subjectivity.
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>>173026164
The for you is path is prepared.
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>>173026237
You meant to say the cow one.
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>>173025997
This is very true. Utena is infinitely better rewatching than the first time. So much of the time characters say one thing while the opposite is being shown or implied and it's too much to take in the first time especially reading subtitles which draws your eyes away from what is being shown. Also the fact that they withold critical plot information until episode fucking 34 out of 39 but it works somehow.
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>>173026122
Sounds like garbage
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>>173026243
It's not possible to see the world without lenses, because lenses are what you use to see.
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>>173026237
>the curry
why was that nonsense even so fucking funny? I don't comprehend. I almost fell of my chair after yet another attack of the elephants.
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>>173026249
>The for you is path is prepared.
uh.... thanks, for the you, I guess?
So long!
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>>173026243
I mean... isn't that a major theme of the show how people are blinded by emotions and can't see another person for who they really are? That's the point. Though I don't think the show is against having emotions it just serves as a warning for what they can do.
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>>173026243
What if I told you that the "objective truths" you believe to have existence are merely the product of random, historical accidents, and are given their authority only because of values that humans have socially constructed?
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>>173026262
>especially reading subtitles
Do you know? Do you know? Have you heard the news?
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>>173026262
It's very fun to realize that Anthy was baiting everyone the whole time to start duels with Utena, and that she actually bullies the shit out of Nanami back
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>>173026316
Have another (you)
I *did* fuck that up
Welcome to brotherhood of uniform fetischization, anon
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>>172998479
Ruka is THE best boy.
>give absolute shit about Anthy-who.
>use his little time left to redpill his crush, freeing her from the manipulative--psychological-abusive thot.
>>172999137
More like Juri btfo Shiori by saying she now prefer Utena over her. At the end Shiori was ostracized platonic beta orbiter whom Juri didn't bother chasing away.
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>>173000526
She didn't. Purity is impractical for a person and that was Dios' flaw
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>>173026420
Why is Juri so sexual
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>>173026381
It's weird figuring out that Anthy is 100% worse than Shiori
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>>173026461
Because she's gay
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>>173026470
You mean better.
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>>173026461
A flawless model and a top fencer
also
Because she's gay
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>>173026470
Everyone in Utena is a bad person, and that's okay
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>>173026250
donna donna donna
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>>173026529
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo4HZGi1XiQ

Nanami's egg is actually the best episode though.
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>>173026330
Truth is absolute, nothing is relative.
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>>173026599
The best Nanami episode is the one where she gets traumatized by best incest
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>>173026237
i'm in the minority that holds none of the nanami episodes are good
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>>173026607
If there ever was a truth, how you, a subjective being, ever know it?
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>>173026607
Truth is absolute, but you can't perceive absolute truth.
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>>173026640
Me too
I love Nanami; she does more in a single episode than Touga did over the entire fucking series
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God, all of the Utena episodes are so memorable. How? It's not the same with any other Ikuhara series' imo.
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>>173026705
To be fair he only has two others
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>>173026720
And neither of them are memorable the way Utena is.
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>>173026634
>only takes one night in the incest cave to realize something is terribly wrong, as opposed to Utena's months or however long it's been
Utena has some really major brain problems
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>>173026662
>>173026667
Doesn't stop me from striving. And with stranger aeons, even truth may be uncovered.
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>>173026764
The nature of human sensory perception is antithetical to objectivity. However, your goal is admirable.
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>>173026757
well
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>>173026640
I would hope that is a very tiny minority
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>>173026757
>Brain Problems

More like extremely proficient in denial.
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Was Shiori gay for Juri?
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>>173026764
How about this: We are living in Hesiod's Age of Iron
If there ever was a truth, we are drifting irrecoverably further and further away from it
If there ever was a truth, it does not matter or apply to any reality we are currently living
You speak of "Logic" against emotion, as if it leads to some "truth" when it is equally contrived, but far more pretentious, for it dares to speak revelation while simultaneously denying the existence of prophesy.
To cling to it is to utterly throw yourself to ideology
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>>173026896
Yes
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>>173026896
She just had an immense complex towards her.
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>>173026816
Utena was never all quite right in the head
At least she has strength and nobility.
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Why doesn't Utena appeal to people who like NGE because it's deep?
SKU actually has a deeply fleshed out system of allusion, while NGE throws empty symbols just to obfuscate the plot.
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>>173027072
>Why doesn't Utena appeal to people who like NGE because it's deep?
Most people I've known who liked Eva also liked Utena, and vice versa.
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>>173026705
Utena was a once in a lifetime combination of talent from all sides. Everything in the show has so much attention to detail that I can't even imagine the creative process which led to its creation, even though I've read the booklets and stuff. Almost every episode has a moment where I think "How on earth did they come up with that? How could everything tie into each other so well?" Truly the GOAT.
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>>173026853
>More like extremely proficient in denial.
it's like the faggots unironically watching franxx. Man, I hate utena, stupid bitch.
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>>173027123
can confirm.
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>>173027072
I don't think NGE is as deep as Utena, but it certainly doesn't use empty symbols. I know there's that "because it looks cool" quote but if you examine NGE it's obvious that the religious references are more than skin deep.

As for why Utena doesn't appeal to as many people as Eva I think it comes down to two things. 1: Utena is targed at girls. 2: Utena has way less visual spectacle and "cool factor" then Eva. Even if you don't care about the thematic stuff Eva can be a very fun watch and it tricks you into caring about the thematic stuff by surrounding it with flashy animation and great fight scenes. Utena has less to offer if you're not actively looking for meaning in it.

Eva functions as an action thriller a lot of the time, whereas Utena is a lot more like literature. It's less fun in the moment but for the effort the viewer puts in they are rewarded ten fold.
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I want to beat Juri-san in battle, abduct her, and fuck her until she's cured of her mental illness and becomes my obedient, sweet, submissive housewife!
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>>173027229
>Utena is targed at girls
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>>173027229
>Utena is targed at girls
you couldn't be more wrong. Utena is the manliest show ever. It reeks of testosterone. You didn't get shit. And you probably never will. For a lack of testosterone.
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>>173027269
I didn't think Kozue swung that way
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>>173027272
>>173027290

Weak bait.
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>>173027290
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>>173027316
but it isn't.
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>>173026814
What is a man?

>Flings his milk glass aside

A miserable pile of flesh! My ambition is to surpass this mortal coil.
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>>173027378
His next series is going to be a homo one too, can't wait for all that "testosterone".
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>>173027388
It's based on a shoujo manga silly.
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>>173027403
Male homos or female homos?
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>>173027297
In the Sega Saturn game she dates Chigusa.
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>>173027414
you just haven't revolutionized your world yet. And probably never will. That is all. There are many layers to Utena, you're merely tickling the surface.
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>>173027414
Utena is NOT adapted from Chiho Saito's manga, anon.
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>>173027504
I know they were produced concurrently and they are very different, BUT the first manga chapters came before the anime and the first season is specifically made to evoke the feel of Saito's manga. I don't want to dig out my DVD booklet but Ikuhara talks about how episode 3 was deliberately made to bring in some of "Saito's feel" and he attributes a lot of Utena's success to Saito's designs and ideas even if they had disagreements.
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>>173027425
male homos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QPnvGdkbnc
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>ITT: girls thinking Utena is an anime for girls
the absolute height of Utena, breaking the 4th wall like no other.
>twirling_white_rose.gif
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>>173027567
Except I'm a boy silly. Just because the target demo was girls doesn't mean it wasn't FOR boys. It was just designed to appeal to girls first and foremost. But I think you're the same anon who's been baiting all thread so I don't know why I'm replying to you.
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>>173027567
I think the logic comes from that initial comparison to Eva which is weirdly considered anime for boys because 'big mechs! robo anime!'
I don't think either Utena or Eva need a specific target demographic, really. I don't think either particularly cater to a certain one.
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>>173027624
>It was just designed to appeal to girls first and foremost
sure, girls are lured in by the girly design. That's exactly the fucking point, you moron.
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>>173027651
>I don't think either Utena or Eva need a specific target demographic
This is true, but Utena does make a point about it. A very clear one. It's a girl trap like no other. It's courageous and manly as fucking hell. But that's something the reddit/blog faggots (of either gender) will never be able to process.
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>>173027651
I don't think either anime can't appeal to either sex, but I think you're stretching the truth a bit to deny that they have their target demos. The fact is anime costs money to make and the producers of these shows would have wanted to know the target demographics. Eva is about growing up as a teenage boy and Utena is about growing up as a teenage girl. Obviously there's a lot more to it than that but it's pretty obvious who each show appeals to more on average.

>>173027679
>>173027739
These posts aren't even coherent. Please leave.
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>>173027800
>he is unable to understand
of course you are not. Have you ever tried to break down the visual background? The revolution is french. And back in that time men were looking fabulous. Pink was a manly color. As manly as it gets. Royal even. And roses weren't for the girls.
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>>173027890
>And back in that time men were looking fabulous. Pink was a manly color. As manly as it gets. Royal even. And roses weren't for the girls.
Really activates the almonds.
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>>173027890
You seem to have missed the part where Utena fails to be a prince in the end and the "manly ideal" you're obsessed with is subverted and shown to not be the actual solution to Anthy's problems. It's Utena's understanding and compassion for Anthy which saves her, not her prince antics.

I'm not replying to you anymore.
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>>173027938
Utena was also a fool for ever trying to be a prince.
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Utena is a man's anime because all the female characters are complete babes.
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>>173027938
>the actual solution to Anthy's problems
who gives a shit about Anthy and her antics?
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>>173027970
And also complete bitches
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>>173027938
>the "manly ideal"
is not equal to the white prince that is the delusion of the girls. Just not. You didn't get shit.
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>>173027996
>who gives a shit about a major chunk of the plot?
Not you, apparently
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>>173028044
anthy is a plot device, not a real character, you dip.
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>>173028087
She's both.
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>>173028106
>they think Anthy was a real person
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>>173028139
>he's actually stupid
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>>173010974
His early works were a little too girly for my taste. But when Utena came out in '97, I think he really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole show has a bright and unusual style, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the series a big boost.
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>>173028160
Anon don't give him (You)s he's been baiting this thread for hours with this shit.
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>>173028160
>so there's that school
>then theres that rose bride
>whoever wins the duel is her new master
>she fucking does whatever you say! oh boy!
>no for real, that school with that rose bride totally exists! no tricks. really.
someone post a white rose already.
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>>173027970
I want to fuck Kozue and Anthy at the same time. Is it wrong?
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>>173028207
Anthy is not what she appears to be, but she still exists. She's as real as everything else in the school.
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>>173028211
I've gotten off to that also.
Shiori too, so all the sluts are there.
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>>173028260
Anthy is not a slut
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>>173028270
Anthy is absolutely a slut.
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>>173028295
If she's forced, she's not a slut.
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>>173028244
have you ever tried to watch Utena under the assumption Anty isn't really there? Ever? Maybe give it a try and see for yourself.
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>>173028307
She's a whore.
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>>173028315
She's actually a witch.
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>ITT: girls can't distinguish reality from their phantasy world
based utena breaking 4th walls like it's a ricecracker.
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>>173028308
>half the cast is talking to themselves for no reason
>Nanami is upset by seeing Akio fuck the air
>Akio gets upset because someone who doesn't exist leaves him and his school
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>>173028308
Does Nanami just get horribly traumatized by Akio masturbating then?
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>>173028307
Anthy isn't "forced" to exactly, except occasionally with Akio. The thing that's most fucked up about her and the most tragic thing about her is that she is complicit in her own confinement. She chooses to be the Rose Bride. Of course the reason she makes this choice is due to the emotional manipulation of Akio. It's a really good portrayal of an abusive relationship.
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>>173028359
>implying any of this is too outlandish in a show where we have duels on top of the pisa tower while cars drive around for no reason whatsoever
just give it a try. You interpretation is unfair, since you're unwilling to see all of Anthy as a metaphor.
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>>173028308
>>173028353
If you're not just shitposting, stop being obtuse and state exactly what you think of Utena, what happens in it, and what it means.
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this thread is pretty avant garde
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>>173028411
>because she is a metaphor, she also doesn't exist
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>>173028423
>If you're not just shitposting

I can go ahead and tell you that's exactly what he's doing.
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>>173028440
Utena is peak avant garde
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>>173028461
He seems like he has an actual opinion and he's just being an annoying faggot about it to me.
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>>173028440
It's certainly had its ups and downs. Utena threads are really the reason I come to /a/ and while there is usually good discussion there's always at least one person who insists on shitting it up. I'll take what I can get I guess, I just want to talk about my favorite show without having to deal with these assholes. At least the Penguindrum anon hasn't appeared.
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>>173028493
just riddle me this: how does Anthy manage to show up as new mother of miki and sister? Just how does she do it?
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>>173028572
>riddle me this
No. State your actual opinion and we can have a discussion
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>>173028572
She's an immortal witch with godlike powers. The real answer is that the whole show can be interpreted as a metaphor but it also mostly functions on a literal level as well. Anthy isn't the only aspect of the show with metaphorical undertones anon.
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>>173028625
This. Having layers means all the layers exist at the same time, not that the layer you see is fake and not actually happening at all.
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>>173028594
I just opened the discussion with a fair question that really should make you think. Anthy is locked up in her bird cage most of the time, if not in the duel arena, or with Utena. Just how does she find the time to meet miki/sister dad, and become their new mom? How? What's happening here?
There is simply no point in stating my blog if you're not even willing to even consider the possibility that you - together with reddit and all the blogs that explained utena to you - were wrong all along.
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>>173028664
I've thought of it and I have a different answer than you. You've gone back and forth like this several times. I can consider your blog if you state it clearly instead of asking questions and then going "you're wrong" when the answer they come up with is different. If I wasn't interested in your perspective I wouldn't be asking.
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>>173028664
How does the dueling arena stand up when it should fall under its own weight? How could a projector create an upside down castle? How could the dueling arena actually be Akio's room when they get there from the forest? How could Nanami turn into a cow?

This is what you sound like. What makes Anthy in particular stand out to you as "fake" when all this other magical bullshit is going on?
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>>173028775
It's all fake. It's a metaphor for Utena's inner conflicts while she is drugged up in a mental hospital after she broke down from losing her parents.
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>>173028775
The only thing that was real in Utena was Mikage.
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what did he mean by this
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>>173029341
Asserting his masculine dominance on the window.
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Was there anyone in the cast that Akio didn't stick his dick in?
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>>173029433
Tsuwabuki
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>>173029631
And his classmate
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>>172997284
To anger people




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