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It was very respectful and relaxed.

- Toriyama says that there was a time after serialisation where he was very bitter and had health issues. He told his editor that he can't draw manga any longer, so his editor told him to write down his name. When he did that his editor said that if he can write his name, he can draw and laughed at him.
- Inoue says Toriyama's comics are very unique, so Toriyama tells him that he didn't really read WSJ much back then that's probably why. He says that once he was recommended to check out Slam Dunk which was very popular and drawn nice back then. He was told it was the hypest thing around. Inoue meanwhile says he felt that way when he first encountered One Piece and Naruto.
- Toriyama says that others can't help you at drawing what you really want to.
- Inoue says that he learned a lot about drawing during Slam Dunk's run, that's why the art is so different across volumes.
- One of them (unclear who) tried to get into Young Magazine, but settled for WSJ as second choice lol.
- Toriyama had only like 2 assistants throughout their works.
- At one point Toriyama was so tired, he only drew like 13 pages a week and wanted out, because he couldn't draw any longer. He was told back then that if Dragon Ball is not interesting for 10 weeks in a row they will let him go. Sadly Toriyama failed at making it uninteresting.
- Toriyama is like a textbook to Inoue.
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- Toriyama's first assistant was during his stuff before DB and in the beginning of DB with him, the second around the middle of DB onwards.
- Both of them said that if they look at the newest Jump Comics, it feels like these new mangaka are too influenced by the old comics that they've enjoyed. So although the artwork of WSJ Manga got better over time, for Toriyama and Inoue, a lot of personality was lost in the process. Toriyama adds that he things a lot of stuff is just boring and he'd rather see something that makes him go "Wow look at this guy, he must be stupid in the head! How amazing!".
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>>175446333
>One of them (unclear who) tried to get into Young Magazine, but settled for WSJ as second choice lol.
let's see, which one of them was published in WSJ and which one was published in Young
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>>175446428
>which one of them was published in WSJ
both
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>>175446335
>Wow look at this guy, he must be stupid in the head! How amazing!
WSJ is specifically run in a way that doesn't allow this to happen.
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>>175446333
>Toriyama says that there was a time after serialisation where he was very bitter and had health issues. He told his editor that he can't draw manga any longer, so his editor told him to write down his name. When he did that his editor said that if he can write his name, he can draw and laughed at him.
Truly the people every mangaka wishes they could work for.
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Toriyama loves money above all things and keeps squeezing the Dragon Ball franchise after decades, not giving a fuck about its quality.

I dont pity him one bit
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Dididn't they say something about Black Clover?
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>>175447286

And people blame Togashi for not wanting to put up with that shit
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>>175447286
>>175447659
really puts it into perspective huh...
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>>175446428
Probably Inoue
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So I went to check and see how much Vagabond sold, and i'm still surprised it cross over 80M sales. I always thought it was one ot the less popular seinen manga.
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>>175447659
Togashi has WSJ by the balls, so the madman can do as he pleases
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>>175446333
>At one point Toriyama was so tired, he only drew like 13 pages a week and wanted out, because he couldn't draw any longer. He was told back then that if Dragon Ball is not interesting for 10 weeks in a row they will let him go. Sadly Toriyama failed at making it uninteresting.
I wonder what 10 weeks that was, also you can tell he probably tried to make it uninteresting but not without actually ruining the quality of the series
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source of the interview
>>175446333
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>>175448363
tieba
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Someone reposted it on MH without mentioning this thread, sorry OP.
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>>175446335
>Both of them said that if they look at the newest Jump Comics, it feels like these new mangaka are too influenced by the old comics that they've enjoyed. So although the artwork of WSJ Manga got better over time, for Toriyama and Inoue, a lot of personality was lost in the process.
They aren't wrong at all. WSJ is afraid of trying to new things, because sales is all they care about.
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>>175448124
based
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>>175448477
fuck them lol
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>>175446335
>Both of them said that if they look at the newest Jump Comics, it feels like these new mangaka are too influenced by the old comics that they've enjoyed. So although the artwork of WSJ Manga got better over time, for Toriyama and Inoue, a lot of personality was lost in the process
Absolutely based. Shonen especially fightingshonen is so samey and they don't evn try anymore new things because they are afraid of that people will not like it.
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>>175446335
>"Wow look at this guy, he must be stupid in the head! How amazing!".
They should read Fire punch.
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>>175447502
Toriyama was rich just from Dr Slump, by the time Dragon Ball ended he had more money than he could ever spend. Toei was going to make Battle of Gods without him, Toriyama only got involved because he wanted to.
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>>175447502
You talk about the guy who wanted to end Dragon Ball since its beginning. If he would love money so much Super would have been here way earlier and not like 20 years after DB finished you retard.
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>>175448124
Yeah, after putting up with that crap the whole way through YYH. He made damn sure his contract wasn't letting any more of that go on for his next series.
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>>175448812
most titles that leave the genre battle are not great either. see the promised neverland and all its shonen tropes. or assassination classroom and its forgettable characters.

it's no use having crazy ideas if the development continues to be bland.
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>>175447526
It was fake.
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>>175446333
>- At one point Toriyama was so tired, he only drew like 13 pages a week and wanted out, because he couldn't draw any longer. He was told back then that if Dragon Ball is not interesting for 10 weeks in a row they will let him go. Sadly Toriyama failed at making it uninteresting.

was he slave or something? cant he just quit? if he was a big enough name that they wanted him to stay that bad youd think he could have negotiated so vacation time.
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>>175447191
pretty much, if anyone ever came up with a unique idea some editor would just tell them to add more battles and make the MC a functionally retarded glutton.

ironic that toriyama want to seem something unique yet he is the one that caused shonen manga to become o inbred.
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>>175448124
do we know the details of Togashi's contract with jump? is it just a napkin that say "i can do what i want."
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>>175448512
>They aren't wrong at all. WSJ is afraid of trying to new things, because sales is all they care about.

sales are failing though, they NEED to try new things.
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>>175450479
>rukawa and ichigo that far back
Rude.
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>>175451459
In another cover Ichigo has a tiny bubble at the top right
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>>175451345
Digital sales are increasing
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>>175450831
battlefag
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>>175446333
>At one point Toriyama was so tired, he only drew like 13 pages a week and wanted out, because he couldn't draw any longer.
How many pages did he draw each week during his prime?
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>>175450479
>Neuro
ayy
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>>175451603
>guys i know our main source of profit is failing but this niche side project that accounts for like 5 percent of our revenue is increasing, so we got that going for us right?
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>>175451117
Torishima would probably beat his ass if he asked for a vacation.
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>>175451230
Dragonball became a success because Toriyama improvised the plot and characters. Most Mangakas failed because they try to plan things out logically, and take influence from old manga.
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>>175451291
No
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Daily reminder that Vagabond without an ending is better than Vagabond killing Inoues soul
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFoZtBvgVi4

What pen does Inoue use for his drafts?
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>>175451985
Holy shit, no wonder the manga industry is on a decline. Its a dead end job with no benefits.
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>>175451985
They guy is unhateable. Cute.
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>>175452074
Can somebody explain to me why manga can't work like books do in the west?
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>>175451117
>Asking for vacation time
>While working for Jump
They'd probably beat you to death and sell your organs if you tried that shit in the old days.
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>>175452167
Yamato Damashii
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>>175452167
Manga nowadays is a product used to advertise the anime, sell merchandise, and appeal to young kids. Unlike the West, there's nobody in Japan telling the executives how counterproductive chasing the youth demographic can be since kids don't have money and parents are being frugal with the budget to stay afloat.
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>>175452442
>Manga nowadays is a product used to advertise the anime
when the hell did it flip? It used to be the other way around
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>>175451230
He didn't really cause that. He created a very strong template for something the executives at WSJ (and elsewhere, but especially at WSJ) realized would sell, so in addition to aspiring mangaka being inspired by him, they're probably encouraged by editors to run plots and developments that they know aren't risky.
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>>175451802
Toriyama’s real strength was that he never tried to do something he was bad at. Dragon Ball is nothing but great action strung together with the world building of a gag manga. He doesn’t get hung up on backstory or cosmology and just introduces things as they’re relevant to the plot, which lets him make world that seems huge and where nothing feels out of place. Anything that might be boring just happens during a timeskip.
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>>175452524
It flipped when the anime outpace the manga, and the staff couldn't improvise a plot to keep things interesting while the mangaka is busy with his work.
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>>175448204
great saiyaman?
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>>175452442
Explain this then.
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>>175451459
They´re ordered by who drew them, not popularity. Shame the only people who wanted to do it were the axefodder newbies
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>>175452781
Nobody cares about Sentai. This video explains why it's not popular.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZuzZIirRus
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>>175452742
>try to make the story uninteresting
>end up making the comfiest part of Z
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>>175451985
The shooting of this video was the first time he left the house in 3 months
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>>175451230
>ironic that toriyama want to seem something unique yet he is the one that caused shonen manga to become o inbred.
It wasn't directly his fault
He always tried to subvert expectations and draw something different. That's why DB is such a wild ride.
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>>175452987
What the fuck does a youtuber have to do with a franchise?
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>>175447502
Toriyama wanted to end DB really early on. And after the live action movie, he got so mad that he got invested in DB again.
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>>175451736
15 to 20.
I'm suprised he was able to keep up with the weekly deliveries.
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>>175449820

Thats what he always says, but he keeps coming back to Dragon Ball again and again, because no matter how much money he hides in tax havens, he still craves for more.
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>>175446333
>At one point Toriyama was so tired, he only drew like 13 pages a week and wanted out, because he couldn't draw any longer. He was told back then that if Dragon Ball is not interesting for 10 weeks in a row they will let him go. Sadly Toriyama failed at making it uninteresting.

That was probably the start of the majin buu arc
boring shit
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>>175452987
Stop shilling your shit.
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>>175454145
the beginning up until where the tournament gets finished were the only good parts of Buu
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>>175453321
Source?
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>>175452664
>Toriyama’s real strength was that he never tried to do something he was bad at.
The why was the "Z" portion of Dragonball so bad?
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>>175451802
>Dragonball became a success because Toriyama improvised the plot and characters.
And is the main reason why the franchise has become such a mess and why Toriyama is bringing anime original characters into the canon
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>>175454765
Because you haven’t read it
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>>175454591
>Gohan's highschool adventures
>good
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>>175454985
I forgot I was arguing with a DBSpic for a second there. Should have learned better.
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>>175455002
Not just good, great.
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>>175448512
dr stone is pretty different and one piece used to be really different when it started (ain't gonna check when it started because I don't want to feel old), also the promised neverland is pretty different from the other shonen stuff at least as far as I've read
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>>175452987
>Nobody cares about Sentai
That's Kamen Rider though, not Sentai.
Kamen Rider is also Bandai's 4th highest selling IP, right behind Dragon Ball, Gundam and One Piece.
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>>175455026
The saiyan/frieza saga is unironically really fucking good, the fight are smart and mostly well thought out and the retarded shit was really toned down
The problems started when they realized transformations sold like hotcakes (and still do)
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>>175455254
>dr stone
>promised neverland
Neither of these are different
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>>175455473
>The saiyan/frieza saga is unironically really fucking good,
Nope. Toriyama retcons a shit load of stuff, pulls shit out his ass and the general direction of the series goes from whimsical adventure to scifi action
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>>175455493
eh I found them different enough than the standard battle shonen in both artstyle and premise, but I haven't read much of them so if you want to further explain your point I'd be glad to know
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>>175455541
I don't really remember any asspulls there except for the super saiyan but I read that shit a long time ago
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>>175455549
>but I haven't read much of them
That explains why you would say something so stupid.
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>>175455597
>The moon that was destroyed in DB is back come the Saiyan arc
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>>175455602
Yeah, that explains it. That's exactly why I said it, thanks for pointing out the obvious, you have more pearls to share with everyone or you done?
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>>175446333
Inoue is one handsome motherfucker.
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>>175455541
>Toriyama retcons a shit load of stuff, pulls shit out his ass
So like always?
>the general direction of the series goes from whimsical adventure
It stopped being whimsical adventure long before that.
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>>175455026
I don’t feel the need to pretend to like the Red Ribbon saga just to avoid having the same opinion as brown people. I’ve actually read the manga, I know it didn’t get worse when the shitty anime adaptation decided to add a letter to its name.
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>>175455647
It wasn't the moon tho, it was a technique created by the sayans in order to be able to transform in any situation at will
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>>175455745
I'm talking about when Gohan transformed
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>>175455690
>It stopped being whimsical adventure long before that.
The last arc of OG DB was Goku visiting his grandpa to help him slay some giant puss bnefore he got married.
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>>175455779
Wait that was the real moon?
Yeah that's bullshit but it was actually a smart way to use the oozaru so I'll forgive him
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>>175452074
>>175452167
Manga industry is not on the decline. Physical manga might be (MIGHT) because digital has grown so much, and keeps growing.
>>175452442
>>175452524
>>175452729
It never flipped. Anime is still just an advertisement for the manga.
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>>175455647
This is explained, you just didn’t pay attention.
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>>175455647
It was explained during 23rd TB, Kami brought it back.
>>175455597
Super saiyan was actually foreshadowed, "unlocking potential" and Namekian fusion are actual aspulls though.
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>>175455874
>This is explained
Its not its also still a retcon
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>>175455874
I also remember it not being an asspull but I don't remember how it was explained
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>>175455901
>Super saiyan was actually foreshadowed
>foreshadowed
>Vegeta ponders if Goku is a descendant of a legendary super saiyan
>one volume later he turns super saiyan with no explanation

Okay
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>>175455828
I'm talking about the manga. The adventure aspect faded away almost completely once the second search for Dragon Balls ended (and even than, big part of the arc was pure fighting).
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>>175455254
I really like Dr. Stone, but the ladys look like they were drawn ba another mangaka
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>>175455929
Right before the 23rd Budokai
>Hey Goku what happened to your tail?
>God said he had to get rid of it to bring the moon back
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>>175455901
>Super saiyan was actually foreshadowed
Yeah kinda, I still don't like the idea of transformations because the fight vs frieza was mad hype before like goku biting frieza's tail, realizing frieza wasn't able to sense energy and use it to their advantage, the genkidama bait and IIRC there was a tactic with krillin's disc but I could be mistaken, and then boom super saiyan

>>175455956
Wasn't vegeta already sperging out about being the super saiyan after beating zarbon?

>>175456057
Thanks, how the fuck do you remember that shit
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>>175450479
>Shadow Lady
Wut? I thought nobody remembered that, surprised they chose that instead of Wingman.
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>>175455956
Super Saiyan was mentioned for the first time right after Raditz died, when Nappa and Vegeta were speculating on how Gohan could be so strong as a toddler.
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>>175446333
>He was told back then that if Dragon Ball is not interesting for 10 weeks in a row they will let him go. Sadly Toriyama failed at making it uninteresting.
lol
>want to end DB early and get out a broken industry
>make up shit stories hoping your fans would lose interest
>they end up loving it even more
must have been mangaka hell
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>>175457346
that's some monkey paw shit
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>>175453524
What do you mean with he keeps coming back? He is back since battle of gods which came out like 18 years after Dragon Ball ended.
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>>175456254
>4yo
>toddler
also this was all filler
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>>175457795
I just leave this here.
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>>175453198
>CHA-LA, HEAD CH--
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>>175457978
Wonder if Freeza was going to go to earth regardless after hearing that from their scouters.
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>>175457978
heh, and now he's papa vegeta
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I agree with Inoue and Toriyama that new manga is usually only inspired of other manga and thats why its boring. In the 70s/80s manga was still a pretty young medium and mangaka had to draw their influence from the outside world and other mediums like movies or music.

But im more optimistic now about manga in Jump compared to 5 years ago. TPN had a really original and impressive first arc, Act-Age has a original premise, Jujutsu Kaisen while clearly being influenced by other shonen manga, has still its own identity.
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>>175452074
>>175452442

Do you guys get off saying bullshit and having anons instantly believe you because the average IQ of this place is kinda low?
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>>175462467
>. TPN had a really original and impressive first
Kek
>Act-Age has a original premise,
Its a ripoff of Glass Mask

>Jujutsu Kaisen while clearly being influenced by other shonen manga, has still its own identity.
Its derative as fuck
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>>175448204
Must be the Cell Arc, because the Buu Saga is amazing
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>>175463625
Ok, then show me one show that had the same premise as TPN. I don't even like TPN anymore but i gotta give credit where it's due.
I thought about Glass Mask but i meant specifically for Shonen Manga.
Also i already mentioned that Jujutsu isn't anything original but it has its own style when you look at the character designs (especially villains) and execution.
Fucking faggot
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>>175453198
>Tries to make his manga shit on purpose so he can quit
>Actually becomes more successful
Nani the fuck
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>>175455002
>He doesn't like SoL
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>>175464583
Not when it involves shit characters like Gohan.
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>>175447526
Nope
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>>175446333
>He was told back then that if Dragon Ball is not interesting for 10 weeks in a row they will let him go

He certainly tried with Super.
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>>175450479
I miss Lala.
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>>175468529
Holy fuck you are retardet.
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>>175455541
What about >>175452664
>He doesn’t get hung up on backstory or cosmology and just introduces things as they’re relevant to the plot, which lets him make world that seems huge and where nothing feels out of place.
Did you not get?
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>>175451985
might be a pentel fountain pen, but i'm not sure
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>>175446335
I take it he must love PTE
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>>175451985
Looks like a G pen




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