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How to be my bf:
1) look like pic related
2) don't watch porn because it's degenerate and makes me insecure

Why can't guys be happy with a decently attractive skinny conservative girl who's willing to have sex with him as much as he wants? Sad!
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>>20017118
tits or gtfo.
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>>20017118
because those girls do not really exist
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C-c-combo breaker!
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>>20017118
>posting a greasy mexican drawing
Just gtfo
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So, be a brown hipster skinny faggot with long black hair and not have a sex drive? Have you tried /v/ or /b/?
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>>20017119
checked. came here to say this.
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>>20017119
Based sandnigger
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>>20017118
bcs you wont have sex with him when he wants stfu, also sometimes a good wank is better than sex we men need sometimes time for ourselves

>i want my bf not to masturbate
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>>20017118
>1) look like pic related
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>>20017118
You want a tan long haired girly boy with a hat?
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kek thread moved
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>>20017118
This is just like when guys say they want their gf to be a virgin. You're right to want it but crazy if you think it's reasonable at your age.
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>>20017118
You have to be better than porn if you want your bf to prefer you over porn.

I quit porn when my gf started putting out every day.
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Maybe, there are some guys who seem really straight (wake up early, walk the dogs, go to work, etc, sleep early).

My solution is to just not put it in my gf's face. She wanted to get rid of it but she looks at it herself, and besides she needs to be able to find kinky gifs and send them to me like "can we do that". As long as I don't send anything back she doesn't get insecure.
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>>20017118
You do realize that people would find you absolutely fuckable by that description precisely because of porn?
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I think most guys drop porn when they have someone that they're sexually active with.
I mean "really" active too. Once a day, minimum. When you can let the shame and the disingenuous social games that people play, and indulge in being the wild animal you are with someone that embraces that eagerly, porn just doesn't compare.

If variety becomes needed at some point, that's what slutty lingerie and roleplaying is for. There really doesn't need to be too much of that though. A single woman can be plenty fascinating in her own right.
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>>20017118
I'd be down for a gf like that, but she'd have to be willing to go for at least once a day, probably two on average.
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>>20017157
>This is just like when guys say they want their gf to be a virgin. You're right to want it but crazy if you think it's reasonable at your age.

Boom. This
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There's lots of guys who never watch porn. But still, they still fantasize about other women. Is that something you're comfortable with OP? If so, why?
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>>20017301
>There's lots of guys who never watch porn

There really isn't
There was this research being done on effects of porn. The scientists literally could not find a control group (ie guys that don't watch porn).

If he's a male, under 40, and has an internet connection, he watches porn. Only material variability is if he's not single - otherwise, end of story.
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>>20017118
Sex is too much work most of the time. I want to just get off with no muss, no fuss, and spend no more than 20 minutes doing it. Sex involves making you feel good in most cases. Or waking you up, or dealing with the fact you're on your period, or that you're at work.

It's a stupid request.
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>>20017342
I know the study you're referring to and the issue is that they couldn't find any guys that had NEVER watched porn. Hell, I would assume a large majority (~75%) of women under 30 have watched porn at least once in their lives. Like one of the other people said, I think plenty of men either entirely stop or greatly reduced their consumption of porn once they get in a relationship.
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>>20017360
Low T faggot desu
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>this thread again
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>>20017118
Why would you ask him to do such a thing? You're degenerate by being here, so you obviously must accept porn as much as he does.

Also, most often
>men either entirely stop or greatly reduced their consumption of porn once they get in a relationship.
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>>20017269
This is best post in the thread
>>20017342
Well, I have friends that claim they don't watch porn. They may be liars, I'll admit.
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>>20017118
>girl who's willing to have sex with him as much as he wants
Let me guess. You'll fuck with him once or twice in a week and then every time he wants to fuck you'll start bitching about "he being obssesed with sex".
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>>20017342
Who's joining me in the no-porn group?
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>>20017118
Can the guy just not watch porn or does he also have the reason being because it's degenerate and makes you insecure?
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>>20017118
How much sex are you willing to have? What were your previous relationships like? I'm of the mentality that life here on earth is finite so I have a limited number of erections left and I don't want to waste any more of them. But if you are saying as much as the guy wants you better be prepared for twice a day and heavier on weekends or free days.
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>>20017118
>"decently attractive skinny conservative girl who's willing to have sex with him as much as he wants"
>having premarital sex
Stfu degenerate
Young girl wants boyfriend to not watch porn, calls herself conservative yet wants to have lots of sterile sex. Sad!
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>>20017118
>I WANT A BF THAT DOESN'T WATCH PORN!
Stupid woman, thats like a guy asking for a 9/10 woman who is loyal, conservative, and most importantly a virgin. They are few and far between
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>>20017269
>we never got to see Zero Two and Hiro engage in violent Oni sex
Someone needs to make this happen.
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>>20017118
If you offer sex when every he needs it he won’t watch porn.
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>>20017118
How good are you at sex because my hand is better than must girls.
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>>20017118
I don't watch porn when i'm in a relationship. I just don't need it. Even if i don't have sex one day, i jerk off to a mix of memories and daydreaming of the next time we'll have sex.
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i dont masturbate at all, i have tried and failed on numerous occasions and its not like my dick doesnt work its just a psychological problem that i cant seem to fix

visible lust is healthy, stored up lust like me makes you feel like you're unwanted by the world 24/7, ive never understood the logic behind nofap either i would love to not care

i dont understand why youd want to go for the deranged and emotionally needy option
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>>20017118
Is it possible for you to have realistic standards?
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you assume that your own subjective experience is the baseline for all humans.
it's not.
men have it much harder in terms of sex, for men sex is locked behind multiple filters and random chances, while you can easily get sex and even a relationship just by not being fat and having basic hygiene.
at least 80% of men need porn to cope with the unbalanced sexual market, but even high value males still consume pornography because even they can't satisfy their sexual desires as easily as an average woman.
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>>20017118
I don't understand why some of you girls have this fixation over bfs watching porn

1) you probably won't be able to be sexually available for him as much as he wants to if he has high libido
2) sex and masturbation are two different type of pleasure
3) i still don't understand why feel insecure. Yes, he's jacking off over other and beautiful girls, but it's fiction. Try to think about the fact that usually there are muscular and very well endowed men as well in porn scenes, and men still don't get insecure
4) if anything i would be aroused knowing that my gf would sometimes watch porn. My ex did, my current gf don't, desu

Tl;dr

As long as he doesn't turn real sex down because of porn, leave your future alone
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>>20018689
*Your future bf
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>>20018689
Not op, but I'm just plain old insecure and expect my bf to accept that fault of mine.
1) Is it really too much to ask a guy to not fiddle with his dick for a while between nights together? I mean, if you know you're going to have sex in the foreseeable future, why not hold out a bit?
2) Agreed. One is fun and is about us as a couple, and the other is masturbation.
3) For sure there are lots of people who can handle insecurity better than I do. Maybe it's possible for other girls to not get insecure about it, but I can't help but feel bad. The fact that it's fiction makes it worse to me somehow.
4) I don't get how having a gf that watches porn is arousing. Wouldn't a girl that doesn't watch porn and exclusively wants to have sex with you be the more arousing option?
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>>20018645
This and
Inb4 some moron uses a study that men have more sexual partners than females because the study relies on homosexuals.
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>>20018719
1) yes it is too much to ask. You being insecure shouldnt control your Boy friends life, get therapy.
2)skip
3) why? Why the hell does something not real affect you so much? Sounds like you have controlling issues.
4) because she likes sex. Means she is open to other things and men dont have to constantly check if its ok to watch porn.
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>>20017118
>is it possible
yes
but it would be more realistic to find a guy who doesn't watch porn while he's in a relationship instead of not at all
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>>20017118
How to be a selfish controling girl.
Ladies take note, this is how you lose men.
You want something real, stop expecting a man to have you the center of his world.
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>>20018731
But why is it too much to ask? How available would I have to make myself just to stop a guy from feeling the need to jack off to other women on the internet constantly?
It's my one big hang up. It's the one thing I feel irrationally strongly about. Why wouldn't a guy be able to accept that and humor me since I don't judge their lifestyle in any other major way? It's controlling, yeah, but it's such a small thing why can't I have just that?
I like sex. And I like when a guy likes sex with me. If a guy would rather spend his free time pleasuring himself rather than looking forward to having sex together like I would, that's a negative to me.
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>>20018719

I'm >>20018689, and i basically think the same of >>20018731.

You're using your personal insecurities to try to manipulate the sexual sphere of another person. You are basically saying: "since I don't like it and get insecure about it, YOU can't watch it as well".
To respond to your question, like the other guy said knowing that my gf watches porn arouses me because i know she has high libido like me and is open minded. She probably likes to try new things, like something she saw in that video, for example.
With my ex sometimes we even watched porn together, or better sometime we STARTED watching porn together and we always ended up having sex
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How to be my gf:

1. Don't tell me to not watch porn or try in any way to control what I do by myself
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>>20017118
Usually people like you are the most degenerate.
Every fucking time I find someone who nags like you ends up being a complete closet whore, it's fucking annoying.

To answer the question, no anyway, if we don't fap we wet the fucking bed.
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>>20018775
It's really the idea that he's getting off to other women that bothers me. What if I offered to be on-call 24/7 for him, or asked him to only watch porn that we made together when he feels that urge? Would that be equally controlling and unreasonable? I don't want to stop him from feeling good, satisfying a need, or having control over his life. I just don't want him constantly thinking about the infinite pool of better women out there in that context.
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>>20018789
I once every two days but my love on goes for my girlfriend, and she's the one who turns me on for real.
I love her so much and I'd like to be with her forever, hopefully there will be that occasion.
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>>20018789
So does the simple fact that your boyfriend will always be sexually attracted to other women not bother you? It's just when he touches himself why thinking about them you have a problem with?
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>>20018789
I wrote it before, but maybe not clear enough.

He's not watching other girls. He's watching other girls being fucked by other men.
It's fantasy, like when you watch a comedy, a romance, or an action movie.

Would be the same for you if, instead to watch your next episode, you watched the holiday video you made with your bf?
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>>20018753
>But why is it too much to ask? How available would I have to make myself just to stop a guy from feeling the need to jack off to other women on the internet constantly?
Because the feeling of arousal isnt something a man controls.
He can control his actions, he can control what he is looking at, but the actual feeling of arousal is uncontrolable and just happens.
Ask your self something. When something iches do you not scratch it?
Men know they cant get with the woman that looks like that in porn BUT porn does not mean we have an emotional connection to it. Love and lust are 2 different things. The feeling of sexual arousal isnt something we choose, its something that builds up to frustration. If you want him to stop looking at porn get used to being looked at as a sexual object and not a gf.
>Why wouldn't a guy be able to accept that and humor me since I don't judge their lifestyle in any other major way?
But you are, you are basing your relationship on this and thats being judgemental in a very big way.
>It's controlling, yeah, but it's such a small thing why can't I have just that?
Because you have so much already. You have a BF to comfort you to love you to be your rock. Its really "spoiled" I am sorry
to say and all you are doing in this relationship is taking and not giving. You arent thinking how the bf feels you are just thinking how you feel. Remeber we guys are people too, a d being controling like this is making us less of a person and more like a trained pet.
>I like sex. And I like when a guy likes sex with me. If a guy would rather spend his free time pleasuring himself rather than looking forward to having sex together like I would.
Because you dont want to have sex as much as we do. Your sexual drive isnt hitting you constantly, often times you get into a fight or you are not up to it or you just dont want to.
Thats why we go to porn, we dont work on your sexual convience.
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>>20018789
>What if I offered to be on-call 24/7 for him
But you wont. And you will make excuses not to. Basically you what you are asking for him to do is the opposite of what you are saying here>>20018789
>I don't want to stop him from feeling good, satisfying a need, or having control over his life.
You are controling his way of thinking. Thats the problem. That means you dont love him.
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>>20018462
I wish more men were like you
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>>20018841
I wish more women were less like you.
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>>20018816
I don't mind if he thinks other girls are attractive, I know there are plenty of cuter women out there.
But I want him to rely on me when it comes to being sexually satisfied. If he spends more time looking at women online, it feels like it proves I'm not good enough. Or at least not enough for him in general.
>>20018822
Are you saying guys don't self-insert when they watch porn?
I don't understand your last question.
>>20018826
I don't want to treat a guy like a pet.
Maybe I just fundamentally don't understand male sexuality. I get sexually pent up from time to time, and I can fix it without looking at random guys online. Is sex seriously on a guy's mind 24/7 like it seems everyone is implying? Does it really need to be kept fresh daily to prevent a guy from getting sexually bored? I thought it was hyperbole. Like a joke that it's a daily primary motivator on par with eating and sleeping for men.
>>20018834
Controlling his way of thinking isn't my intention either. But I guess that's what it boils down to in the end. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't love him.
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>>20017118
>Why can't guys be happy with a decently attractive skinny conservative girl who's willing to have sex with him as much as he wants?
Is this fucking bait?
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>>20018880
>Maybe I just fundamentally don't understand male sexuality. I get sexually pent up from time to time, and I can fix it without looking at random guys online.
And you are asking for a guy not to do this for himself?
>>20018880
>Is sex seriously on a guy's mind 24/7 like it seems everyone is implying? Does it really need to be kept fresh daily to prevent a guy from getting sexually bored?
Its a reaction, like being around a flower you are allergic to and you sneeze as a result. Only the flower is a woman who dress and smells nice and the sneeze is arousal. If you purposly stimulate something you will get an arousal response. Our sexual arousal is pretty fucking strong its just men vary in different ways on how we deal with it.
And if you are controling how he thinks then you dont love him, you love the idea of controling him.
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>>20018882
I wish.
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>>20018880
Truth be told after reading all this.
You are only going to get guys who will put up with your hypocrasy because of fear of dying alone.
What i can tell, you dont deserve a good man because you arent a good person. I am not a good person but jesus fuck i would never tell a girl she couldnt do something because it made me jealous.
When did women get so entitled and act like we guys owe them something.
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>>20018932
When I say fix it, I mean I acknowledge that it's a thing that's messing with my priorities and eventually take care of it solo if need be. I just would prefer if a guy could do that too, without needing to pull up porn, where he's going to be actively sifting through hundreds of prettier women to find the perfect one to get him off rather than thinking of me or just sex as an idea on its own.

I get the arousal concept, the allergies and sneezing metaphor is good. I get aroused when I don't necessarily want to, too, but I can hold it in easily enough that I never feel like I'm completely forced to "sneeze". And when I do "sneeze", I don't need any tricks or other stimuli to make it happen besides my own physical stimulation. A guy feeling forced to jack off to porn when aroused is equivalent to someone needing to take a feather and tickle their nose to sneeze when they could just let nature take its coirse and either have it pass or sneeze on their own.
And about the whole judging love thing, I can't imagine a relationship where either side doesn't have preferences on how the other person processes and reacts to certain things. I'm not saying I could never care about a guy who jacks off to porn. I'm saying I'd greatly prefer otherwise.

>>20018956
I never said I deserved anything, and I certainly never claimed to be a good person. I have a preference that apparently is innately unreasonable, and it really sucks.
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>>20017118
The thing is, a lot of guys are willing to give up porn because it is degenerate (although porn is not just one thing), but a lot of people don't have another option.
We have a shitty contract between the supplier and the delivery system of semen and we get frustrated if we can't get it out there.
Porn makes masturbating easier which makes it easier to manage.
But once you are in a relationship, sure, I can easily give it up, it is not like I am addicted to it. But when I am single and nobody cares about me, I won't abide by your silly rules.
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>>20017559

me
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>>20018991
>When I say fix it, I mean I acknowledge that it's a thing that's messing with my priorities and eventually take care of it solo if need be. I just would prefer if a guy could do that too, without needing to pull up porn, where he's going to be actively sifting through hundreds of prettier women to find the perfect one to get him off rather than thinking of me or just sex as an idea on its own.
See you did it again, you say you need to fix it with out using porn. Like you tell a guy to hammer in a nail with out a hammer. Thats not how it works. If you are insecure ita not your BF's fault its yours. You need to get some therapy. Because you have no right to tell him not to use porn when you do for your urges.
>guy feeling forced to jack off to porn when aroused is equivalent to someone needing to take a feather and tickle their nose to sneeze when they could just let nature take its coirse and either have it pass or sneeze on their own.
Nature doesnt always work, to "sneeze" he may need to use that feather. He isnt you. Your perception is different than his, so why would you expect him to do what you do just becausecit works for you?
Your problem is that you have no actual empathy or understanding of why a guy does what he does and you make it about yourself and how it hurts you.
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>>20018991
>And about the whole judging love thing, I can't imagine a relationship where either side doesn't have preferences on how the other person processes and reacts to certain things. I'm not saying I could never care about a guy who jacks off to porn. I'm saying I'd greatly prefer otherwise.
Because you cant put your prefrences into people. Thats not love. Love is liking the person as they are, not changing them into something they arent.
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Laughing at the people who think fapping to porn is an essential part of who they are. That's part of addiction, feeling like you need it to get off. If you're in a relationship and you're still fapping to porn there is something seriously wrong.
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>>20019035
Is porn really the hammer to the nail? Is it that hard to get off without the stimuli of porn? I'm not telling anyone to do anything in the end. I'm saying I'd prefer he do something differently. And am I not allowed to have insecurities just because they affect my preferences? I'm not perfect and I'm not expecting perfection, so why are you making me out to be such a monster? Also, I never said I watch porn, because I don't.

No, he isn't me, and if it's really true that guys NEED porn to sexually satisfy themselves then I really am being unreasonable. I can empathize with emotions, not sex drives. Just because I don't understand the sexual motivations of men doesn't mean I can't have opinions about it. I can only say how him watching porn makes me feel, I'm not making blanket statements attacking all guys who watch porn.

>>20019039
Once again, I'm not asking a guy to change. I'm not imposing my preferences on people. I'm stating how I feel and that's IT. You make it sound like I'm some evil oppressor of male sexuality who needs to mold men into some perfect partners. I'm just saying I'd be happiest with a guy who only has eyes for me. That's it. I could love a guy regardless of his porn habits. But I still would prefer if he didn't look at porn. Those aren't exclusive.
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Jesus this thread. Porn addicts are easily offended.
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>>20018991
I like your feather metaphor it's a bit like that

To explain this we gotta go back to first boners and first orgasms, they mostly come from being tempted by a stimulating inage or video

The more you use images and videos (the thing that introduced you to fapping) the more severe details you require to get off (specific fetishes and such)

In other words you could compare it to an alcohol addiction where heavy alcoholics need more and stronger stuff to get drunk

That and adding the fact that most of us start at young age makes it pretty damn hard to find a man who doesn't use it

But about the other thing you worry about shouldn't bother you
We don't get off on certain girls, we get off on the hornyness of the situation

To use a metaphor you don't self insert into rachel when watching friends to laugh, you laugh because of the funnyness
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>>20019098
So it's essentially an addiction. It's okay to prefer a partner that isn't addicted to something you don't like, right?
But if that's really true, I feel bad for guys who become so reliant on porn. It seems like a curse. I completely understand needing to satisfy a fetish to get off because of desensitization, but needing to watch someone else do it rather than do it to yourself or just think about it seems so restrictive.
>We don't get off on certain girls
But you filter porn based on the girls you want to see that you like, right? That makes it dependent on certain girls who have those traits.
That metaphor actually made some sense though, thanks.
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>>20019066
>Is porn really the hammer to the nail? Is it that hard to get off without the stimuli of porn? I'm not telling anyone to do anything in the end. I'm saying I'd prefer he do something differently. And am I not allowed to have insecurities just because they affect my preferences? I'm not perfect and I'm not expecting perfection, so why are you making me out to be such a monster? Also, I never said I watch porn, because I don't.
Main because its not enough, we get stimulated faster and women keep uping eachother in looks.
You arent a monster but you are totally unreasonable and unrational. >>20019066
>No, he isn't me, and if it's really true that guys NEED porn to sexually satisfy themselves then I really am being unreasonable. I can empathize with emotions, not sex drives. Just because I don't understand the sexual motivations of men doesn't mean I can't have opinions about it.
Ok I am sorry, you can have an opinion on it but its a very unfair one. You are setting a standard to where you are making men bend over backwards to match your emotional wants. Everything you said was about you and not, why do men do this?, kind of thing. The reason i came off cross or made you feel like a monster is because such thinking like that is monstrous to me. Its because you treat men like they should be at your emotional whims and if there is something you dont like that, really doesnt affect you if they kept it a secret, you feel insecure about it. You make it all about you when its just for guys to help get rid of those negativr feelings of lust. Yes some guys need porn, and nor just 1 type of porn, thats why there are fetishes. You are taking away sexual freedom for the sake of your own insecurities.
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>>20019066
>I'm not imposing my preferences on people. I'm stating how I feel and that's IT. You make it sound like I'm some evil oppressor of male sexuality who needs to mold men into some perfect partners. I'm just saying I'd be happiest with a guy who only has eyes for me. That's it.
You dont see how thats insulting?

Ok let me try some thing similar.
>be me
>moderatly attractive male
My girlfriend is constantly hitting on other guys around me. She dresses to show off off her body and has tons of guy friends. What does that say to you about being an independent woman?
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>>20019084
Not everyone who drinks is an alcoholic.
Not everyone who gambles has a gambling problem.
Not everyone who watches porn is a porn addict.
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>>20019127
>I feel bad for guys who become so reliant on porn.
Well having high standards coming from women will do that to you.
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>>20019128
I get that asking a guy to put up with a preference based on my insecurities is asking a lot. It's not fair if I don't give and only take. I have that one big hangup about porn that I've never been able to get over. I've tried, but it just cuts deep and I can't help but feel inadequate. Other than that, I'm not judgey.
I feel bad that it may alienate some guys. But I don't express my opinion to hurt anyone or make them feel compelled to change for me. I'm just being honest with myself and with them. I'd hope that a guy who likes me would tell me if I did things he has trouble getting over. It'd let me know if they had any hangups too.
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>>20019142
>I'm just being honest with myself and with them.
You see being honest they way you are doing is only helping you. Its only making you feel better. Its not helping anyone else but you.
I get that you are insecure, but its your problem and shouldnt be the guys. Think of it this way;
Think of what men have done for you. Out if kindness or dating or what have you and appreciate that. Realize they are their own person and deserve things like porn to help cope when you arent there. Becuase where i stand you dont appreciate men for what they have done for you already.
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>>20019139
No, I don't see how having preferences is insulting. I don't mean to be insulting,if that's how it comes across.
About your situation, it sounds like she isn't interested in monogamy if she's hitting on other guys. It's a preference for most people that their partner be monogamous, though, so I could see how her actions could be a negative to you. I get that, at least.

>>20019141
How so?
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>>20019127
To stay with the metaphor
If you don't like the actor you probably won't like his show

Time is valuable so we prefer to watch stuff that matches our interest no matter what kind of reasson you watch it for (fun drama sex)

And don't feel sorry, if we wana quit it's possible, but like any addiction it's tough, don't force someone to quit they need to start doing it on their own intent

Same goes for alcoholics and smokers

And in a lot of times men stop fapping once entering a relationship but they'll resume once the new comes off

It's only natural
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>>20019140
That's right. But people who prefer fapping to porn over actual sex, can't go a week without watching porn, have to watch porn even when in a relationship, become crazy and aggressive from not watching porn ARE porn addicts.
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>>20019152
That makes no sense though. Expressing an opinion with no expectation that it influence anything can't be selfish. It's literally just stating something.
>Think of what men have done for you. Out if kindness or dating or what have you and appreciate that.
What? Are you implying that, just because a guy I like is willing to date me or be nice to me, I should hide my feelings and insecurities from them and just bottle them up?
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>>20019160
I get where you're coming from, at least sorta. But there has to be some level of comparison and judgement between the women a guy sees in porn and his girlfriend, right? That's what tears me up. I'll never be a porn star to him, and the thought that, given the chance, he'd choose her over me in a heartbeat is scary.
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>>20019155
>No, I don't see how having preferences is insulting. I don't mean to be insulting,if that's how it comes across.
>About your situation, it sounds like she isn't interested in monogamy if she's hitting on other guys. It's a preference for most people that their partner be monogamous, though, so I could see how her actions could be a negative to you. I get that, at least.
I was using that as a hypothical. And acting ignorant to how it is insulting by saying "i dont think it was insulting" IS INSULTING!
When you feel insecure you never realize your actions of saying it out loud makes guys feel insecure. And its a habit that you wont ever even know or harm you in the least. If anything you are making yourself insecure all on your own and you want some one to blame.
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>>20019155
>How so?
Because every guy does and the ones who say they dont is lying.
If you want honesty in a relation ship know you are going to find out things that you dont like. You can open pandoras box and expect no evils to pop out.
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>>20019171
>That makes no sense though. Expressing an opinion with no expectation that it influence anything can't be selfish. It's literally just stating something.
Yes it is, because your honest opinion is based on what you prefer, its extremely selfish.
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>>20019162
Agressive?
Source? this came directly from your ass.
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>>20019162
The issue isnt fapping over sex. Its fapping to porn when they cant get sex. Thats why men do it. We dont get sex when ever we want even if we have a girl friend.
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>>20019185
Never really did compare during my own relationship, but thats because sex was out of love while fapping was just to get that feeling

One of the first reply's in this thread is a bit childish in wording but hits the problem right on its head

There will be times where you won't want to while he feels horny, as men we can't expect you to be ready at all times so we use porn

Just like when you want to be entertained you pick up a book or turn up a sjow

It's a small void that needs to be filled, and though you have preferences, the only thing that matters is that it is furfilled

I think you might have some small issues but nothing that cant be fixed

And if you really want to compete with a pornstar, then be one in the sack

Turn this negative into a possitive, let the competition with porn fill you to be the best gf possible
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>>20019171
>What? Are you implying that, just because a guy I like is willing to date me or be nice to me, I should hide my feelings and insecurities from them and just bottle them up?
No but i do think you need to give a guy a little more credit and know he doesnt equate you to a porn star because he actually has sex with you.
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>>20019185
>I'll never be a porn star to him, and the thought that, given the chance, he'd choose her over me in a heartbeat is scary.
No he wouldnt!
First off you are making sex in to a commited relationship thing.
A commited relationship means sex but not the other way around.
You are thinking that if he were to meet her she fuck him.
Men think more honestly than that, they know they arent up to the porn star standard and couldnt get a real relationship from her in the first place.
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>>20019208
I'm only repeating what I read other men on 4chan say in threads discussing porn, masterbation, NoFap and similar topics. They could be exaggerating though.
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>>20019162
This is also wrong. If anything porn watchers are more sensitive and afriad, its like a child who is afriad of meet mickey at disney land. They are overwhelmed.
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>>20019222
Nofap just makes us more charming because we take chances on shit we say.
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i dont watch porn anymore desu simply cos i watched too much of it now i cant find anything that isnt boring
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>>20019222
So just /pol/ shit?
You want to know something true? Every modern male watches porn so we don't walk with a hard throbbing full of semen cock in daytime.
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>>20019209
But a lot of men say that even when their girlfriends have sex with them whenever they want that it isn't enough and that porn is just better.
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>>20019226
I don't really understand what you're saying.
>>20019235
Not /pol/ shit, just 4chan boards in general.
I'm pretty sure not EVERY man watches porn, however I admit that those who don't are in the minority. Also I don't believe that porn is needed in order to masturbate.
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>>20019242
Maybe those girlfriends are bad at sex?

Many women think they can't be but there is definitely a difference between a woman that's good and a woman that's bad
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>>20019251
>I'm pretty sure not EVERY man watches porn
Every modern men watches, if you want to date an abo or a amerindian is fine.
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>>20019197
>>20019206
If I told a guy, "I like you. When it comes to preferences concerning porn, I would greatly prefer if you did not watch porn. I like you either way, though", would that be insulting or instill insecurity? Would it be selfish?
If it did make him insecure, it would be completely unfounded since I'd like him equally either way, but I can't help how he'd perceive it. In the end, we would end up hurting each other since we have an incompatibility in our insecurities and would probably separate. And that's okay because we aren't obligated to be compatible with every other person.

>>20019203
I don't need to like every single thing about a guy to date them. No such thing as a perfect match. If literally every single man on earth does, and must continue to, watch porn while dating me despite me saying it makes me feel insecure, I guess I'll have to make some harsh compromises.

>>20019211
>>20019221
I think that's the root of the problem. I can't just view sex as some time-filling, meaningless pastime. Sex and masturbation are so much more than just ticking a checklist of "ok did it" to me, at least when I'm in a relationship. The idea that a guy would just treat sex with me as just checking off that need on his checklist rather than having feelings behind it is just as scary as him suddenly wanting to leave me for a prettier girl he saw online.
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>>20019251
>I don't really understand what you're saying.
Its like meeting your hero in real life and not beint too nervous to talk to them or get their autograph.
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>>20019242
They are lying. Or extremly abusive.
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You know the good part about porn is that girls don't complain about what i do in my free time.
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>>20019260
>If I told a guy, "I like you. When it comes to preferences concerning porn, I would greatly prefer if you did not watch porn. I like you either way, though", would that be insulting or instill insecurity? Would it be selfish?
No it would not but if you make it a deal breaker than it is. >>20019260
>Sex and masturbation are so much more than just ticking a checklist of "ok did it" to me, at least when I'm in a relationship.
Its not to check off. Its like you have to go to the bathroom. There I said it. Porn is a means to relieve yourself, and some people have specific fetishes to get them off.
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>>20019271
Infact they thank you for the viewing pleasure.
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>>20019257
So if a mans girlfriend is bad at sex, then the man just gives up on her and faps to porn? That's a pretty sad relationship.
>>20019259
>Every modern men watches
I call bullshit. Even here on 4chan there are a number of men that don't watch porn(and I'm not just talking about /pol/). I seriously doubt that anyone would lie about that on 4chan of all places.
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>>20019272
It wouldn't be a dealbreaker if I found that we were good together otherwise.
>Porn is a means to relieve yourself
Big questions now. Are there really no instances where guys develop feelings for porn stars they watch just to relieve themselves? Is there any way to make sure a guy isn't just using me to relieve himself, like how he uses porn? If no to either, I can't help but still feel worried in the back of my mind.
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>>20019266
I hope they're lying. But I've also seen women say that their boyfriends are like that, even though they put so much effort into pleasing them. I don't get why they stay with them.
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>>20019293
You worry too much.
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>>20019297
Yeah, I know. It sucks.
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>>20019293
There are men like that, but those men are often psychotic, those kind of men are not normal. Those are the men who often fall in love with cartoons. Those type of men have trouble telling the difference between what's real and what isn't. Most men have feelings after they have sex actual sex. Which is very far and in-between. Which is very rare for men to have. So for a man to actually have a chance to have sex with a pornstar is impossible. Men know this and they never have feelings for something that gives that release unless that person is there in a real person. Men can separate the feeling of love and lust to a point where they feel no romantic feelings when they masturbate to pornography.
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I consider it a breach of loyalty if it happens in a relationship. Guys can compartmentalize however they want but the fact still stands that they are lusting over someone else that isn't their partner.
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>>20017118
holy shit you roasties are pissing me off
are you looking for some kind of standards to not look like a complete slut?

I personally don't watch porn but I'm asexual. good luck finding someone who's not into porn and can fuck your pussy 24/7
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>>20019353
>compartmentalize
Stop making excuses to be upset. Men dont do it out of any reason but just to jackoff for release. Genderstudies class should actually study males instead of studying how a female feels about males.
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>>20019293
To answer your question, its called trust.
I know its hard for any one to do but you got in the relationship with some one you have to trust them.
You know some one isnt using you for sex if he does other things than just fuck you. Thats how you know. If he is hanging out with you going on dates doing anything then he isnt in it for just sex.
You would be used for sex when he doesnt call you are talk to you the next day.
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>>20019416
But I know it could just be a long con. Blind trust is just asking to get hurt. It should take a while before I can really trust a guy to that extent.
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>>20019397
I am not making excuses to be upset. There are plenty of people willing to accept the fact that you jack off compulsively to other people. But that isn't what I would want in a relationship. I have a high libido and I hold myself to the same standards as well. In a relationship I stop looking at porn. I don't think of anyone except my partner. It's a simple thing if I love and am attracted to that person.

The fact that so many men believe they need to jack off to porn constantly and that it is acceptable to not be fully invested in their partner that they claim to love is a sad thing. At least I've always given men more credit than they give themselves when it comes to having some sort of sense of loyalty.
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>>20019429
That's incredibly unlikely
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Do most women look for capable bfs to be virgins or is it just what men look for in women. Lets say the virgin guy isnt butt fuck ugly.
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>>20019470
It's happened before. It can happen again.
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>>20019437
>The fact that so many men believe they need to jack off to porn constantly and that it is acceptable to not be fully invested in their partner that they claim to love is a sad thing. At least I've always given men more credit than they give themselves when it comes to having some sort of sense of loyalty.
There is no belief. This just fucking nonsense you make up to justify your contempt.
Men do it to get release, there is no acceptance of jacking off to porn, its still stigmatized. Some men just started not giving a fuck either way. And dont give me that "at least i gave men bla blah blah" bullshit. You havent done anything but make bullshit claims about how men think and act because you arent one. And if you are your nuts are probably in the palm of someone else.
None the less you make some grand all scheme to make it seem like we do it for some sense of power. When in the end its as simple as taking a shit.
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>>20019480
Not to you i am sure and just because it happend to someone else doesnt mean it will happen to you.
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>>20019486
That's pretty optimistic.
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>>20019491
Its more realistic since your imagination seems to runaway with you when it comes to men.
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>>20019495
Can't deny that. I'm still paranoid though.
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>>20019491
You know what the real problem is with you and Op? You look down on us way too much. You treat us like monsters when we are being human. You get told horror stories and even though some are true, there are others that arent. Thats why there is so much distrust between us now, you say insulting things and think to yourself "i dont think its insulting" when infact it is.
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>>20019505
I can't suddenly change how I feel. All I can do is say I'm sorry if I insulted you by saying how I feel. It wasn't my intention.
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>>20019511
Sometimes you need to realize that acting on that feeling isnt the best choice. That your feelings lead you the wrong way at times, thats why we have logic, to say to ourselves "maybe there is a side I am not seeing." Because feelings can come from misunderstandings. Next time if you feel insecure about why a guy does something similar to this, say to yourself its just him doing him and thats ok.
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>>20019518
And also feelings tend to be out of selfishness. So again think how it helps him, not how it hurts you.
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>>20019518
Fair enough.
I won't throw away my aversion to porn, but I won't weigh it heavily against a guy until it proves to actively mess with a relationship. That's a fair compromise, right?
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>>20019524
Yes, when it affects your relationship to where he ignoring you then yes.
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>>20019544
I can do that, I hope it doesn't come back to bite me. Thanks in advance if it doesn't.
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I'm literally the guy you are asking my standarts are
>virgin
> natural hair (have never ever painted it, i'm okay with shampoo)
>natural nails
>not addicted to sugar
>No make up
>be at least 6/10
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>>20019605
>literally only be 6/10 just slighly above average
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>>20017118

>Not allowed to watch porn
>I get sex whenever i want as much as i want it

I would take that any day lmfao. Sadly enough guys usually have higher sex drives than their girlfriend/spouse. When i was with my ex girlfriend, i wanted to have sex 4-5 times per week. She only wanted it 1-2 times per week. So yes i masturbated to porn 2-3 times per week on the side of having sex with my girlfriend. She always hated me for watching porn but i couldn't give two shits about it.

Bottom line, most guys watch porn while in a relationship because they aren't getting as much sex as they would want to.

I also highly doubt you would give your boyfriend unlimited sex OP.
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>>20017118
it sounds like she’s also autistic and schizoid
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>>20017118
It's worse when he does it secretly

All men suck
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Don’t want a boyfriend that watches porn? Get a boyfriend that doesn’t watch porn! Next! Holy shit, was it really that hard?

All men watch porn (putting aside the fact that this is a gross generalization)? Don’t get a boyfriend! Wow! Problem solving!
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>>20017118
Unless we're living together or within 5 min of each other, you can't possibly be having sex with me as much as I want. I want it daily.

Then of course is the usual inevitable decline in sex after marriage/the first kid. Of course you will still expect him not to watch pron but you will probably deliver less sex.

Did you consider that perhaps you are being unreasonable? Lots of people have that problem. There's no shame in coming to terms with it.
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>>20018753
Never call anything a small thing so small it should be nothing for the man to fork it out.

The argument can be flipped thus: if it IS small, YOU (the aggrieved) should just let me have it.
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>nearly 150 posts of porn addicts trying to rationalize their addiction

whew

It must be hard being a zoomer
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>>20019437
You lack one thing: testpsterone perspective.

Female to male trans are VERY surprised at how horny they get in hormone replacent therapy.

The horniest female is probably as a horny as a beta male.

Actually, unless masterbating is like a grain of cocaine for you (the woman), you cannot say it is anything like what it is for men.

A nympho woman is a prize; a pan-like man, a dime dozen
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>>20017118
the issue is on your end, fix yourself before fixing others
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>>20019991
>refusing to take overwhelming numbers as indicative of the phenomena being the norm

wew must be easy to live life as a brainlet

Also, i speak as a married nonwatcher.
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Hey OP, question

Do the following count as porn:

-hentai
-slash fiction
-massmarket romances, especially where the spine creases in the library copies
-YA smut like Twilight and 50 Shades
-nonporn being used as porn, eg, wanking to episodes of Thomas Tenk engine
-watch or read anything sexually, but NO wanking

All honest questions, no troll i swear
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I understand not wanting a porn addict, but what's wrong if he masturbates to it some times?

My boyfriend doesn't watch porn anymore, but I wouldn't care if he did (as long asit doesn't turn into a serious problem like ED or constantly refusing sex for watching porn). Hell, I watch porn sometimes, mostly in the morning if he's still sleeping or when he's very tired.
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gf thinks i dont watch porn sure babe sure...
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>>20019980
Another fair point. I don't like it, but it's fair.
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>>20020044
Not OP, but I'd argue that any media made with the sole intention of getting people to masturbate would be porn. Intention is hard to prove in some cases, though.
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>>20020255
it's literally them pretending they're having sex with another woman. the other person being a stranger and on a computer screen doesn't make it any less unfaithful. if men want monogamy from their partners they should practice it themselves. if they don't demand their partner be monogamous it's fine.
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>>20020016

right, find a guy who is also open to you having other partners, OP. wanking to porn is pretending the looker is having sex with other people. being on a screen and strangers doesn't change the fact that it's other people outside the relationship. if he does this and is fine with you having multiple partners then you're good to go.

good luck finding a guy that sane, though.
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>>20017118
Are you willing to have sex with him consistently (ie once a day)? I would quit porn if I had an attractive gf who fucked me consistently. You have to meet his needs
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>>20020344
Sure. That's reasonable.
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Tbqh my gf doesn't seem to care I watch porn and frankly she oughtta be grateful. By watching porn I can vent my extremely degenerate fetish without forcing her to be uncomfortable by participating in it.
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>>20019271
>sexting randos to get off
>cuddling with guy friends
>going on dates with dudes
>REEEEEE don't tell me what to do in my free time!
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>>20020449
But maybe she could get into it, and your relationship would be all the stronger for it.
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>>20020488
Not a chance, she's a complete sexual submissive. I'm a switch so I lead her in the bedroom then use porn for my own submissive fantasies.
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>>20020511
>switch
>extremely degenerate
You had me worried there. Power roles are the least degenerate fetishes if you ask me. If she has tried bring dominant and didn't like it that's one thing. If you won't even ask her to try, that's another.
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Hmm , when I wasn’t having sex I didn’t watch porn a lot , cause it’s kinda lame and it sucks ,but now that I have a girlfriend and we basically have sex all the time , I watch porn when she is unavailable but I don’t masturbate , that disgusts me .. still thinking of all those girls I gave up for her , am I the devil ? Lol
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>>20020310
>t. literal retard

Clearly you have no fucking idea what you're talking about and you need to actually do your research before you let your dumbass mind make conclusions on anything.
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>>20020637

Speak for yourself, faggot.
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>>20020344
Been there, done that. Boyfriend (aka supposedly monogamous partner) still flirted with and checked out other women's breasts and asses and saw other women as potential mates. Straight men are unable to be faithful to one female partner.
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>>20017119
fpbp
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>>20020661
my boyfriend doesn't watch porn or check other women out and there's no way that he's physically cheating, unlikely that he's emotionally cheating either
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I'm your perfect boyfriend except I'm white and not a mestizo. I have the long black hair too. Pity I never seem to meet girls like you irl.





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