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Autistic phone poster edition

Old Thread: >>2831990

Reptile classifieds for finding breeders of various scaled and sundry creatures

>kingsnake.com
>faunaclassifieds.com
>reptilescanada.com (Canadian breeders)
>caudata.org for newts, salamanders and lots more amphibians
>Also check to see if there are any annual reptile shows/expos in your area as these are good places to find good animals from good breeders at partial discount


/herp/ officially official all purpose care sheet of wonder and magic

>sand a shit
>use a thermostat
>read all the caresheets
>set up your tank before you get your herp
>regulate temps & humidity levels prior to herp arrival
>do not fuck with (handle) your herp for at least 7 days after bringing it home and ideally wait until herp has eaten at least one meal (for snakes), two meals for lizards, frogs, etc.
>PVC tanks are way better for most applications and worth the extra money
>it is best to avoid chain pet stores when looking to purchase live animals as mass breeder suppliers are not especially careful about health and sound genetics... it often saves you money long term to spend a little extra up front to get a healthy animal

>Jump Start (formerly Hydrofarm) thermostat is a good basic and inexpensive thermostat for regulating ceramic heat emitters and under tank heaters (Amazon sells it)
>if you want something more advanced for temperature control, look at Herpstat products

News:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180912133434.htm

http://www.reptilesmagazine.com/Horned-Lizards-Released-Back-Into-The-Wild-In-Texas/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/10/181003102730.htm

http://www.reptilesmagazine.com/Reptile-Conservation-Success-Story-The-American-Alligator/
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>>2840539
Good man. Have another carpet python.
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This one's for my /blood/ anon. My STP just shed last night
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Anyone got some good lowish light grasses I could grow in this
Having a problem getting stuff to grow in this instead of just sustaining itself as is or slowly ending up dead
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>>2840545
Been thinking of getting a blood for awhile
How accurate is their reputation for being grumpy snappy sneks
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>>2840559
Hard to tell from the picture but looks ok in this one
A clearer photo with the focus better would help discern it
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>>2840551
Zoysia or fescues might work. You could always try growing a culture first before adding them to the enclosure
>>2840558
Massively over exaggerated if you get a CB and work with them right. Exceptions do exist though and like I told the other guy a blood is not like a ball. When they've had enough they'll let you know pretty quickly.
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Is his/her nose alright?I noticed the whiter area near the end and it doesn’t feel like dead skin or anything.
Also how rare is it to find pure German giant bearded dragons?
(Reporting because image quality)
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>>2840568
just looks like shed that hasnt come off in this picture
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>>2840568
Looks fine but they might be getting the beginning sign of a rostral abrasion. Have you noticed your beardy rubbing its nose against things a lot?
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>>2840545
Looking good man
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>>2840578
Yeah around once a day at least
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>>2840568
This was my iguanas snout after he had been rubbing on and off for about 16 hours while I had him locked in a dog carrier after carrying him out of my flooded house back in 2016
He might be starting to rub his nostril since it is looking ever so slightly rough though
just keep an eye on him, I cant tell because of the coloration(and im hardcore colorblind) but is he starting to shed and just not able to open up the layer of shed on his snout possibly?
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>>2840558
>>2840564
>e I told the other guy a blood is not like a ball.
And he was right. My little blood was relatively calm, until I was handling her too often. When I picked her up at the show she just hung out. I expected her to be pissed when I pulled her out of the little cloth bag they put her in to take her home, but she just kinda looked at me.
But I did find out 1 a day was too much handling. She wasn't too shy about snapping. I've left her alone in a new hide (keeps it darker) for about a week. Fed her yesterday, gonna try handling again Friday.
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>>2840568
>Also how rare is it to find pure German giant bearded dragons
there is no such thing as a "pure" german giant. they are just normal ones bred over generations to be big.
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>>2840592
Germans always shoot for purity
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>>2840588
He was shedding about 2 weeks ago and did most of his neck,stomach and back with the tail, his nostrils look clean and open
>>2840592 I’ve heard they’ve been bred out into just normal ones but thanks
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>>2840564
You're also the woma guy?
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>>2840616
Yeah that be me.
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>>2840620
Neat. I looked into them some after you mentioned them in the previous thread. Pretty cool snakes. I don't have the space for one now, but something I'd like to keep in the back of my mind
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>>2840624
They're definitely worth it imho. I try not to play favorites with my animals but he'd definitely be up there if I did.
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>>2840591
Just remember start by scooping from under the soil to ease her back into it. She'll come around.
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>>2840645
>start by scooping from under the soil
Good tip. I try to usually start from behind, or at least in the opposite direction she's looking. Is there a better way?
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>>2840660
None that I can think of beyond the soil thing since these guys don't ride hooks so well.
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Might do this next spring for a bunch of frogs and toads. Also as an outdoor nursery for tadpoles I catch.

Pond will be filtered by a sponge filter and I'll change the water around once a week, but the most filtering will be by tons of pond plants, with least killifish or gambusia (and maybe guppies during the summer) to eat mosquitoes and other aquatic insects.

I've been thinking of removing the cinder blocks and just doing sheets of plywood so it'll be easier to move, but that might be ugly and actually make the structure rot faster.

Is there anything I should change? Or is this idea retarded and will rot and break in two years? Should I do this or not?
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>>2840687
Also forgot to say, but should I seal the wood or will regular 2 x 4s with nothing on them be able to withstand nature and everything?
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>>2840689
You should seal it if it's going outside
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I kep scorpions personally, but here's my gf's
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>>2840689

Sealing required. Also, pressure treated wood is a no-no for animal safety so the options are: exterior latex paint, spar varnish, or epoxy resin. The first two will have to be allowed to off gas completely before they will be animal safe. If you can still smell it, it hasn't off gassed entirely yet. Epoxy is more expensive but shorter turnaround time on curing/off gassing.
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>>2840547
MY EYES!
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>>2840480
Any anons grow real plants in their arboreal set ups?
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asking here because old thread died. Do reptiles have feelings? I feel like my tortoises not cowering away in fear when I try to pet them is cute but I wanted to know if they're just doing thay because they don't think I'm threatening or because they actually developed some kind of bond with me
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my ball ate a frozen rat for the first time today. how many meals would i have to feed her until i can say she is a "established" eater
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>>2840828
>Do reptiles have feelings?

They have the basic emotions; anger, fear, contentment, probably frustration. They are not, however, capable of complex emotions in the way you'd ascribe to semi-intelligent animals. Bonding is not part of the herp psychology. Trust can be, based on established history of safety in your presence and the fact that you often come bearing food.
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>>2840828
Probably more of the latter
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>>2840839

Twice is sufficient. If you're a breeding and want to give the gold star of established eater of frozen/thawed in order to advertise that to potential buyers, I'd increase that up to a few months of regular meal taking.
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How can I improve my uromastyx tank? He's been healthy seemed to enjoy it for the first year or so but now he seems bored. He has his mountain in the left side for basking but any ideas to replace the log in the right with something more stimulating for him?
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>>2840864
Get him a bigger cage and get him a female. Also plant some plants such as basil and mint for him to eat.
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>>2840864
a lot more substrate for digging
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How much trouble can I possibly get into for collecting herps in a state park? The park is the closest place to me that has newts which i'd like to put in my garden pond and get a population going. I'm only going to catch like ten of them, and will swap out adults with larvae or recently morphs as to not destroy the breeding population.
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>>2840864
>>2840875

Seconded on deeper substrate. Assortment of logs and/or wide PVC pipe pieces for him to motor through and climb over and dig under. Also, some uros really like those spinning saucer things intended for rodents:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqml9GnFc14

The saucer kind, mind you, like in the video. Don't do the vertical hamster wheel as the radius is a little too tight for adult uros to fit in without back strain. Saucers are easy to build yourself, like so in video below. You can improve this girl's design in a number of ways, I'd use a couple skateboard bearings seated in a bisected skateboard wheel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbkhN_2S304
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>>2840884

Fish n' Game could write you a fine for it.
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>>2840884
Check your local laws
Alot of places legally let you collect common species under a certain number for private use
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>>2840918
>>2840911
There's nothing written about the newts I want to collect other than to not litter in water bodies and vernal pools and to not fuck with blue spotted salamanders (which I don't want)
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>>2840921
could always scoop them up and put them in a water bottle inside a backpack or something if you are worried
because no one really cares about a single guy taking a handful of non threatened animals as benign as a newt
just dont get caught
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My BCI is getting ready for a bigger tank. I'm thinking about going bioactive, maybe potted plants but definitely not planted in the substrate. Am I crazy for even thinking about a bioactive for an animal this size?
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Tomato frogs, yay or nay?
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>>2840884
Shit never even thought about that being illegal growing up.
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>>2841395
State parks have weird laws. In Yellowstone, you can carry a rifle, but if you shoot a bear, even in self defense, you're in for all kinds of felonies.
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She knows it feeding day.
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>>2840597
You don't really see many oldschool pure german giants these days. I have a big old boy who's nearly 10 years old. I'm gonna miss him when he's gone.
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>>2840803
Since I keep geckos I tend to use things like senservierias, pothos and pineapple leaves (slice the top and plant it in the soil). Basically things that can handle the animal climbing on it and have low water requirements, and don't necessarily need much light.
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>>2840937
If he's bigger he might not have any interest in climbing. Worth a shot though large snakes are notoriously bad with planted cages and making a mess of them
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>>2841275
How active are they? It sucks that so many pretty amphibians just sit in the same spot all day.
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>>2840937
Use plants that can take a beating such as pothos, mosses, umbrella tree, money tree, peacock plant, elephant ears, heart of jesus (personal favorite), ferns, etc.
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>>2841455

That's about as smug as corns are capable of looking.
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>>2840664
She only took 1 swing at me today during a 10 min handling session. That's progress over the last few times.

Maybe it's just me, but seems like she doesn't actually want to bite, just to look scary. Just thinking that out of all the snaps, she hasn't actually landed one yet. Is that a thing they do for defense strikes?
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My mum thinks that keeping reptiles is unethical, cruel, and uses this as a counter argument when I’ve expressed intent to take care of one. I’ve always had great interest in them, they are absolutely fascinating. She thinks that keeping these animals in “glass boxes” to be displayed in unqualified people’s living rooms for their entire lives is cruel, and disagrees with taking them from the wild to fuel the demand for them in the pet trade, and the conditions that even captive-bred reptiles often find themselves is very cruel. She says that taking them from their perfectly suited environment where they have to be sustained with an artificial system at home here in our mild/cold weathered native country is cruel and unnessecary. That their natural environment can’t really be replicated perfectly, because they are so sensitive to their environment they shouldn’t be kept in captivity outside of the upper echelons of experienced specialists.

I’ve been trying to articulate a proper response but tend to come up short when talking about it in-person.How would you begin to respond to this argument? I do live with my parents (pls no bully) into my 20’s and it’s a pretty good deal for everyone, we look after each other, I cook and clean and do freelance work from home, but I adore animals and am deeply interested in their husbandry and care, I would love to own a BTS in particular. It is their house, and thus what she says goes and I’d never go behind their back, but she was actually okay/open to the idea of me getting one up until recently, and now she is adamant that she doesn’t want reptiles in her house.
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>>2841669
Ask if you could at least keep a few fish and then set up an aquarium but actually put some type of frog or newt into it instead.
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>>2841669

Move out. Trying to convince a housemate to tolerate your keeping reptiles is not going to work out well. Especially if it's your mother and she owns the place.
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How do I convince my God-fearing, Mexican mother to let me keep a pet snake?
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>>2841633
She's probably not fully committed to giving you a nip quite yet.
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my young Beardie checking out the view, there were a few birds outside that he thought were very interesting. still too young to take outside but by the time spring come around and it warms up he should be big enough to fit in the lizard hardness my sister gave me.
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>>2841682

Aww. Looking good!
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>>2841671
That is a possible idea anon, thank you. I will think on it further, perhaps she could be swayed In that direction and allow me to keep an Aquarium as you mentioned.
>>2841672
That’s very fair, I understand anon. Thank you. I respect my parents a lot and if one of them is against the idea I absolutely want to respect that. Moving out would some day be an option in a few years, I’d need to save a lot more first. The first time I left home didn’t end well because I’m an autist, I ended up coming back home. Another issue is if I manage to move out is finding a rental that allows pets, as I’d never leave my dog behind but it’s something to seriously consider.
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>>2841683
we've been very happy with him over the last couple of weeks, especially for a generic Petco Beardie. pretty nice colors and lots of personality and a voracious appetite so im sure it wont take him long to grow.
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>>2841669
>disagrees with taking them from the wild to fuel the demand for them in the pet trade
Thats a good thing, I understand breeding populations need to be established somehow but never should an animal be taken from the wild to be sold into captivity, however captivity is far cushier than the wild since they dont have to fight for survival against predators or prey and the only cruel conditions are from shit or abusive keepers
But largely aslong as a reptiles basic needs are being met they will do fine, for more intelligent ones like varanids crocs iguanas etc they will need more room and generally need some kind of mental stimulation to keep them from going nuts
Most herps arent all that sensitive to their environment beyond temp and humidity which usually has a decent amount of wiggle room
Theres absolutely nothing wrong with artificial heat/light
On the glass box issue it depends on the species, snakes for the most part largely dont give a flying fuck aslong as their enclosure is big enough for them to stretch out and thermoregulate as needed
Larger things like the lizards I mentioned above need fully decked out enclosures that take up a large portion if not all of a room
Keeping most pet trade reptiles is far easier than keeping a dog since reptiles are fairly autonomous as long as you give them correct parameters+food+cleaning and the things that are reserved for the upper echelon of keepers are usually things you cant just buy at the drop of a hat because they are either rare/expensive or the people selling them will vet you(granted large monitors get the shit end of the stick often)
tl;dr your mom is wildly incorrect about most of her statements but its her fucking house so deal with it she can do whatever she wants
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>>2840480
Looking at getting a snake. Is a Ball Python a good first snake? I want something that I can hold. Also is paper towel fine to use as a main substrate?
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>>2841997
>Is a Ball Python a good first snake?
Eh, not as much as advertised. They can be picky feeders and need better husbandry than some beginner snakes.
> I want something that I can hold.
You can hold balls (heh) if that's what you get
>Also is paper towel fine to use as a main substrate?
Some people do use it. It would probably be ok, but some cypress mulch or coco fiber or whatever would look nicer and be more comfy for the snake
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>>2842042
Thanks for the heads up on the ball. Any recommendations? I've read about Childrens Pythons but my city's reptile show just passed so I wouldn't have a chance to get my hands on one easily for a while though I could wait.
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>>2842046
>? I've read about Childrens Pythons
Those are good. Other good starts are rosy boas, corn snakes, king snakes, milk snakes etc. Google could probably give you more ideas.
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Found a couple of these wiggly red-backed fellas in my yard yesterday. I'm kind of surprised that this is the first year I've ever found them on my property, given that I've found 3 of them this year
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>>2840803
I got into bioactive setups recently. Currently my pacman frog, both my solomon island leaf frog tanks (they had to be separated one tried to eat it's tankmate), crestie and gargoyle gecko's tanks are fully planted. Planning on fully planting my jackson chameleon's cage in a week or two.
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>>2842290
I wonder how active these are. I'd make a vivarium for a few salamanders but it'd be a waste if they were hiding the whole entire time.
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>>2840839
At least 3-4 in a row, without refusals. But it doesn't really matter, that's just how long I wait to not worry about relapses with typically tricky eaters. This goes for established animals that have just made the switch, as well as hatchlings or adults getting ready for sale.

For new arrivals eating for the first, time, I do just 2 meals.
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>>2840687
>54 inchs
Fucking kys
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>>2841669
"Reptiles aren't like birds or mammals. Theyre cold blooded and their entirely lives are about energy conservation, very few of them are active or run around a lot. Most reptiles just want to hide or sleep and really only move about because they have to in order to eat. The space I'd keep [reptile of choice] would be more than enough for them to get the exercise they need and stretch out. Birds and dogs might like to move around for fun but [reptile of choice] really doesnt. I wouldnt want to keep an animal I couldnt keep happily or healthily, please trust that. Captive reptiles live with much less stress and discomfort than wild reptiles and they miss very little."
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>>2842358
good to know,
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Sometimes I wonder how they survive in the wild

Also fuck making webms why is it so hard and why doesnt hiroshimoot up the file size limit to like 10 mb or something
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>>2842800
If those are axolotls they dont
IIRC mexicanos trashed their 2 lakes and none have been seen since like 2012
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>>2842835
They're ribbed newts. They look like a wrinkly thick skinned axolotl. They live in small ponds in spain but holy shit are they stupid. They don't know how to lift their head up an inch so they can see the blood worms sitting in the saucer.
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>>2842840
>They don't know how to lift their head up an inch so they can see the blood worms sitting in the saucer.
Thats kinda endearing honestly
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Paludarium sounds kinda retarded, they should've been called amphidariums instead desu
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South Florida. Looked about one meter long.
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>>2842917
paludarium is from the word palus in latin which means marsh/swamp
amphibian is is from the greek word amphibios meaning both kinds of life

If anything amphibian is slightly wacky since "both" but there are multiple types, aquatic terrestrial subterranean and Im not sure what things that spend the majority of their life in the air/flying are or even if they have their own classification
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>>2840480
Found a buddy walking outside
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Going to get a leopard gecko when my beardie outgrows his 20 gallon, but i don’t know if they need uvb or not. I already know the other cage requirements, but nobody has given me a solid answer.
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>>2843746
Get em UVB to help with coloration and calcium absorption
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>>2840864
Try shooting it in the face. I hate your uromastyx and this will always be my reply anytime you dare to show its faggot fucking face in these threads.
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>>2842356
Salamanders are specialized burrowers and hunters of worms and other soft bodied invertebrats. They spend almost the entirety of their lives underneath the forest floor, whether it be below leaf litter or a rotting log.
There are some exceptions to this rule however. The arboreal Salamander is an active predator that will come out to stand watch at night and chase down any prey it sees. Tiger and Fire salamanders also emerge from their burrows at night to roam around in search of food. Neither of them are more active than newts however. You're much better off with a pair of those.
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I have room for one more bigger terrarium (about 150cm long, height up to 160cm, I haven't built the tank yet)

Help me decide which species to get.
Should I get Varanus pilbarensis or another Chameleon (thinking about a calyptratus)?
Or maybe any other species you would recommend?

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Found this little garter in my lawn while I was weed whacking, nearly chopped his head off. I'm tempted to keep him, but I'm not really sure if garters make good pets.
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>>2843973
People have kept them before, they’re neat, but make sure you don’t need a license for garter snakes in your area
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>>2843973
Why not just leave it alone to go do its thing?
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>>2841675
Move out of your parent’s house, Pablo
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>>2843870
Fuck you nigger BEHOLD his comfy hammock

Don't ever reply to me again kid
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>>2844115
Why does that dude want to shoot your uromastyx?
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>>2844115
Cute critter, but what’s wrong with the shed? Looks like the shed tore.
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>>2844167
That's just how they shed. It comes off in pieces at different intervals instead of all at once like in a lot of reptiles
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>>2843973
Garters make great pets, but many areas have laws against capturing and keeping wild animals, and in some places it's illegal to keep native species even if they're captive born and bred. I would research your laws, and try to find a breeder of a species you can keep.

This is the garter I currently have with me, hoping to get the other back come spring.
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>>2843877
Yeah, I knew about the aboreal salamanders and the newts, i actually have some newts of my own and plan on catching a couple red efts in a forest when i go to the pine barrens over the summer. I heard about mole salamanders and salamandra being kinda active (mostly after being sprayed or when they know its a feeding day) just like tree frogs and toads. Guess i'll stay away from other salamanders then, shame cause they're so pretty.
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>>2843755
Alright, I will.
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Happy boi
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>>2843649
>>2843652


D'AAWWWW
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>>2843930

Only go chameleon if you ambient humidity is sort of close to their required levels. It's a real pain to deal with the high airflow + high humidity combo required if your air is dry to begin with.
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>>2844557
What do you think would be the perfect chameleon set up if you could do whatever you wanted, short of setting up an actual aviary in their native habitat?
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>>2844652
live in florida near a shallow bog and have a few a few of those trees that sound like dodecahedron (forgot the actual name) surrounded by a 4 foot cinder block wall with no vegetation near it to make sure they cant escape.
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>>2844557
Couldn't you buy a humidifier for the room? Or use one of those fogger?
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>>2844557
I have two chameleons already, that's why I said "another" chameleon.

But I see where you are coming from.
In winter, it's kind of a pain in the ass to keep the humidity up (I keep them outside in summer).
But it works for me.

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where can I find info on keeping newts and salamanders? I want to get a pair of triturus pygmaeus but I'm not really sure what their requirements are. I have a tank with lots of plants and caves and also a water part. Anything else required?
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>>2844855

Ooh! Very nice cham.
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I've been considering getting a Uromastyx as a pet. Bit confused on care for them, however, because there is a lot of conflicting information on the interwebz.
>Substrate
Some people say don't use sand; other's say do use sand. Some suggest using seed as substrate too. Does it even matter?
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>>2845322
>Some suggest using seed as substrate too. Does it even matter?

It does matter. Recommended substrate is millet seed. It works very well. While uros are adapted to sand, it isn't the best choice for captive conditions. Hard to keep clean. Millet seed can be more easily removed for tank cleaning.
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>>2845327
Thank you for the reply. I also saw a video of someone using Finch seed instead of Millet. Does this work too, or was this just someone with a bad setup?
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>>2845331

Millet is the only type of seed I have heard of being used in this application.
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>>2845331
I use play sand for mine and I’ve never had any issues
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>>2845443

If using sand for uros, I recommend a sand/soil mix rather than 100% sand. It will be firmer, easier for uro to walk on and will hold burrows better for digging.
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>>2840480
Got myself a baby cornsnake last thursday. He was exploring the terrarium was being curious. I fed him that day and since then he did not leave his rock, now this is the fifth day he is in permanent hiding. I worry.
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>>2845459
>I worry.

Don't. Perfectly normal. Also, him eating on the first day is pretty impressive.
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>>2845475
it didn't work out that well. he ate a pinky but dragged it in the crushed nut bedding, so he got a mouthfull of that. i'm putting in aspen instead before is next feeding. I lift is rock everyday to be sure he's alive.
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>>2845480
>he ate a pinky but dragged it in the crushed nut bedding, so he got a mouthfull of that

No worries. Snakes are well capable of digesting/passing that.
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>>2845480
>nut bedding, so he got a mouthfull of that. i'm putting in aspen instead
The nut bedding is probably safer than the aspen for digesting. But a little bit of either isn't going to hurt a snake.
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>>2845480
>. I lift is rock everyday to be sure he's alive.
Also don't over do it the fiddling, especially if he's new. Surprising he ate so soon honestly, but extended hiding while digesting is normal
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>>2845457
Is this stuff okay? I saw it at the store the other day and it says its supposed to be good for Uromastyx since its basically a powder.
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>>2845635
Yes, yes it is. Feel free to use it in your tank.
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>>2845635

NO.

>>2845638
0/10
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>>2845639
Any particular reason as to why not?
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>>2845640

Calci-sand is designed to encourage herps to eat it. That is the opposite of what you want. They're not supposed to eat sand as it can cause intestinal impaction (potentially fatal).
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>>2845645
Would Finch seed be a good alternative to Millet as a substrate? None of the stores near me sell bags of just straight Millet.
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>>2845647
Or Safflower. I know a few places that sell that in big quanities.
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>>2845647
>>2845650

That I don't know.
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>>2845645
Why would they make it like that then
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Post pics goys.
This is my motley Colombian.
A few years back I had a fairly large collection but had to move.
I got this girl a year ago.
Glad I did.
Went through a pretty big break up and moved again, but was easy to bring her along.

I'm curious to see how she'll look at 6'. She's been getting lighter colored as she grows.
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>>2845682
Because money.
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>>2845682
because largely the pet industry doesnt give a fuck about animals and is just a way to procure money
If you paid attention to any chain pet store this should be blatantly obvious
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>>2845707
>>2845783
Seems like it would be easier to make money by making good products than making shitty products that get a bad rap after a while.
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I'm considering constructing a bin tank for my leo out of a large sterilite storage container. Considering ventilation, rather than drilling in a number of holes in the top and sides, would it be better to cut a large portion of the top out and fasten a piece of small gauge chicken wire to the new hole? Then also use vent plugs around the sides as well? his name is chips, say some thing nice pls ._.
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>>2846070
>cut a large portion of the top out
Isn't that going to replicate issues with maintaining humidity and temp that screen top tanks have?
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>>2846077
I suppose that would be an issue with an animal that requires high humidity and hot temps relative to the room he's in. Though I don't have trouble maintaining the temp in his tank with a uth and a relatively weak bulb (I bring it closer to the tank in the winter to maintain air and floor temps of the tank) and the humidity stays in a range of 20-40%
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>>2846033
Making good products costs more. In business there are three things to ask: do you want a good product, do you want a cheap product, do you want a product that can be produced quickly. You can't have all three so corners will have to be cut somewhere to keep the company afloat.
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You guys ever look at ipower products on Amazon? I can get the heat mat and the thermostat for the cost of a jump start thermostat alone, is it worth it or should I spend more for quality?
Any other decent alternatives you could think of if ipower is a sham?
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>>2846187
Also found this product at Wal-Mart. An astounding $25 and it comes with a heat mat which almost sounds too good.
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>>2846190
Should mention that this is the Apollo since it doesn't say on the product.
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>>2846190
For 25 it's worth buying just to try
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>>2846190
I like to use the hydrofarm thermostats if I'm only heating one enclosure.

If more enclosures or using a radiant heat panel I save up and use a herpstat.
I had a herpstat 1 on my rack system and used a herpstat 4 on a stack of 4x2 cages. Worked fantastic.

To the anon that asked about a sterilite container.
Just use a soldering iron to poke holes.
Easy and leaves no sharp edges.
Tubs aren't aesthetically pleasing but easy to maintain temps and humidity and clean.
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>>2846269
>If more enclosures or using a radiant heat panel I save up and use a herpstat.
Why for the radiant heat panel?
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I want to cuddle a big lizard.
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>>2846283
The hydrofarms work fine for it, but they're more like a rheostat.
They shutoff when they reach the desired temp.
So with a radiant heat panel they seem to click off and on quite a bit.
With a herpstat, I use the proportional setting so if I set it to 86f it supplies enough power to hold it steady at that temp and doesn't drop +/-
And herpstats should fail in the OFF position if they're overloaded.
A lot of cheap thermostats will fail and allow temps to get dangerously high.
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>>2846308
Neat. That would be much easier than trying to write my own control system. That shit is hard
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>>2846469
Check reptile forum classifieds.
Lotta times you can find used herpstats.
Replacement parts are easy to get from the manufacturer as well.

Overall I just prefer a proportional thermostat.
But I've got a snake in a tub now with a little zilla rheostat since it holds temps fine.
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Could any creature in history kill a titanoboa 1v1?
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Guess what country this snake is from
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>>2846187
I've been using one going onto 2 years. Don't know why shitlords have to shill
jump start bullshit. It's almost quite literally the same chink shit
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>>2846571
>Don't know why shitlords have to shill
>jump start bullshit

It's just the easiest one to find for most people as it is readily sold on Amazon. You are correct they're all pretty much the same.
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>>2846571
How long have you been keeping reptiles
Not so long ago products worth a fuck were hard to come by and alot of people rigged up lots of their own set ups with whatever they could find.
The last 10-20 years have brough a plethora of amazing things into existence but the jumpstart thermostats have a reliable history of working compared to niggerrigged dimmer switches you wired up yourself or just having your heatsource going unchecked 100% which can quickly turn dangerous
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>>2846586
>>2846592
I'm not saying it doesn't work. I just don't understand why people, including the OP, recommend that overpriced unit, when it is comparable to other similar units for half the price. At the end of the day, it is just another Chinese thermostat
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>>2846626
5$ chink thermostat is the way. Works flawlessly for the past two years.
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https://youtu.be/Aq2ZSY42Wzk
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>>2846592
>niggerrigged dimmer switches you wired up yourself

Ha! I have done that. Plug in dimmer switches are easily purchased from hardware stores but I like to tinker with electronics and had a wall style dimmer that I converted for herp use once upon a time because I had it laying around and I could.

>>2846645

Shinglebacks are so cool.
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>>2846569
North America
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>>2840884
just do it and dont get caught lol, nobodys gonna notice
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>>2847361
>desert lizard on top of moist dirt and moss

Why do people do this
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>>2847505
That's how NPCs keep animals.
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>>2847505
>Artistic, expressive individual forced to wageslave
>Why do people do this





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