>Buy a stock>It goes downLiterally every time
>what is technical analysis?
>>1465757>"""""technical""""">""""""""""analysis""""""""""
>>1465750>It goes down>Literally every timeYou should get in to shorting.
>>1465757>Technical Analysis
>>1465853There you go. Do a George Castanza move, you'll make millions
Protip: You never lose money if you never sell
>>1465914>80 years old>i-it has to go up any day now, r-right guys?...
>>1465757It's a synonym for "I like to talk complicated talk and look smart but can't be bothered with a fundamental and mathematical understanding of what I try to make money off of", or "I usually am more happy winning than sad loosing while day trading" >If you liked this article about "finding patterns in stock quotes" you might like the following : "finding patterns in clouds" and "finding patterns in tea leaves".
>>1465934>If you liked this article about "finding patterns in stock quotes" you might like the following : "finding patterns in clouds" and "finding patterns in tea leaves".Holy fuck this.Technical analysis is such a joke.
>>1465931Things don't stay low that longJust don't be a retard who sees a 2% drop one morning and decides to panic sell. That's why most retards lose money
>>1465914actually you only lose money if you never sell
>>1465943>>1465934>she doesn't do Macroeconmic and fundamental analysis before she does her TA
>>1465951>Things don't stay low that longExcept for the ones that do, amirite? The silliest meme in the world is the one that says the price MUST eventually rise back to the price you bought in for.
>>1465951Or you hold on to an individual stock too long and the company goes under :^).Or the company has to adjust to lower growth, permanently lowering its value.
>>1465750Muh nigga. Yo prob is you keep buying penny stocks.
>>1465757
>>1465996Is that the infamous "smoking duck" pattern?
>>1465750Stop chasing the God damn trend you retard.Look there's two ways to trade basically.You either trade to make the market and that's basically looking to sell when everyone like you is buying.Or you look for price drops for good value and buy when something is a lot cheaper than it should be. Then you sell it to noobs who see it spiking up after its already really high
>>1466132
>>1466447I'm probably one of the few people on this board that actually know how to trade properly. I could show you some trades but you likely wouldn't even understand how amazing the trades are if I showed you them anyway.
>>1466452>I'm probably one of the few people on this board that actually know how to trade properlyYeah, I bet you have a 9 inch cock too.
>>1466458I've showed some really excellent trades here before but since no one understands what they are looking at its just a waste of time.
>>1466461 >no one understands how negative and positive numbers work
>>1466486Me showing how much money I win on a trade isn't the same as showing you my entries and exits on a chart and the reason for taking a trade.You guys think of this on a fundamentally flawed level.
>>1466496>money I win
>>1466504Just for curiosities sake, what is it exactly you're hoping to accomplish with these post?
just get in things before the normies doi bought oil stocks like BTE back in january when oil went to 29 and ignored all the cucks saying it can go to 10 and did mad bank
>>1466510You got memed the fuck out, my friend.
Nicely wew'd my lad
BUYTHEDIP
>>1466586So, it was just another meme all along?Well I'll show you guys something cool anyway. Here's a picture showing my trades i took today during Prime Minister Yellen's speech about the feds.>>1466593I did like this guy says and bought the dips and sold the peaksAlthough I think I'm missing a 4th trade
>>1466602What the hell? I show you ungrateful bastards some sick ass shit and you don't even give me any yous?
>>1466640Sick ass shit. What did you buy
>>1466640Nice now show us your tits
>>1466658That's gold. Look at the picture. I bought two or 3 times and sold it once at the top.I hope you learned some valuable today son
Kek
>>1466667Did you learn anything? I don't get what's funny
>>1466670hindsight is 20/20 , aint it?
>>1466701You never answered my question
>>1466708i learned that hindsight is 20/20.
>>1466715You need to look at the pictures better if you can't understand it.
>>1466716whats not to understand?
>>1466708>>1466716>you can't delete a post this old>>1466602aint that a bitch?
>>1466721I just showed two pictures of me taking position before the market moved. If you can't understand it then I'm just wasting time showing you. Also it's probably not a good idea for me to leave these up for long
>>1466731I only want to delete the pictures. It's not a good idea to leave something like that up.
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>>1466739yes, wouldn't wanna leave a chart of todays price of gold up on the internet!!
>>1465750That happened to me with VRX, I bought at 26.But I planned on holding for a year anyway. I expect it to hit about 80 by that time. Gotta get that capital gains tax rate.
>>1466745Well those entries are pretty amazing and I wouldn't want too many people studying and trying to learn easily what I sacrificed a lot to be able to do.
>>1466739after all, you made markings on it , that could be considered vandalism!
>>1466752oh well good thing we still have this chart to look at. >>1466602
>>1466752heres how the big boys do it btw.
>>1466760>>1466753Did you even look at the one showing my entries before the market moved?
Stop selling you idiot. Invest in some safe bets that have been around for a long time and wait it out. Some will crumble but overall the market goes up if you average through recessions.Don't believe that anybody has a way to cheat the market other than insider trading, which exists and they will be the winners every time.
>>1466784Are you serious? That's what I mean by its a waste of time showing because you won't understand it anyway. The green or blue line shows where I entered. And the dotted red line shows where my stop loss or take profit are .
>>1466778i saw them all , it's just you drawing shit all over todays gold price chart.
>>1466788pretty hard to understand something we cant see ;)
>>1466792Can you see now? I even circled it for you since you probably don't understand what you are looking at.
>>1465750I have a great strategy for you anon. Repeat what you are doing now, but short everything instead.You will make money every time.
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>>1466799Well I hope you learned somethingfrom that sick trade. The other picture showed me selling at the top. You'll just have to take my word for it since you didn't look the other time
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>>1466812Why are you so impressed with yourself? There was a $20 price fluctuation in gold when it was already sitting at $1320. That's a fluctuation of less than 2%. I don't know how much volume you were doing but your gains can't be that much unless you were massively leveraged and exposed yourself to crazy amounts of downside if you guessed wrong.On top of that you had to pay all the fees and taxes involved with day trading. Is it really worth it? Wouldn't value investing be much simpler and pay off better in the long run?
Every strategy in the stock market is a variation of mean reversion or momentum. Mean reversion is a lot safer than buying stocks that are going high since you'd buy at the bottom.
>>1466816I did about 300 pips today.Commodities don't work the same as stocks where a 2% increase means nothing. %means almost nothing to me. I get paid per micro pips.
Mabye you should try URRE???
>>1466452>>1466461>>1466496I would be interested in hearing more. Ignore the all these haters.>>1466602I think I recognize this anon from the other day. Are you the anon we talked about a H&S chart pattern in the GC futures contract which signaled a short position.
>>1466496>Me showing how much money I win on a trade isn't the same as showing you my entries and exitsYeah, actually it is. By definition.Fucking retard.
>>1466913Hmm. What do you of trading during nfp?
>>1466602Wtf is this cartoon bullshit? Drawing fat arrows on a chart and pretending that it reflects your entry and exits points is bullshit.You have trade confirmations. Post them.Or don't, and fuck off. Poser.
>>1466925Yeah we talked about how most risk managers wouldn't allow it.
>>1466927>You have trade confirmations.I used my heart. It's hard for me to explain but I can sort of see most times not every time, when a spike to the high or low is ending. I watched the charts for many many hours and now I can sort of see it if in looking at the charts while the spike is happening
>>1466913>>1466932Yes. I would be very interested to hear more about what you know. It's pretty late and as you can see from my lot sizes I'm not making enough yet to not have to go to work early tomorrow but I'm hoping to slowly start increased my lot sizes the next few weeks. Also I think someone like you will be able to see my trades and understand why I took them and be able to do similar trades. It's getting late but I'd love to talk about the market with you another time
>>1466927See>>1466940>>1466948Going to delete them soon though.
>>1466816>There was a $20 price fluctuation in goldHe is trading in CFD which is different than futures but say for example the GC gold futures contract for 100oz of gold:tick value of $0.10 per ounce which is $00 per contract. 100oz x $0.10 = $10there are ten ticks per point, that means the minimum the price moves is $0.10 so for example the price can move $1324.0 $1324.1 $1324.2 etcthat means for every point is worth $100100oz × 0.10 × 10ticks = $100so that means a 20 point move in the GC contract is worth 20 * $100 = $2000remember there are 10 ticks per point so if you think of this as a 200 tick move and each tick is worth $10 so,$10 x 200 = $2000
>>1466954I like you. When are you gong to start trading?
>>1466940>I watched the charts for many many hours and now I can sort of see it if in looking at the charts while the spike is happeningThis right here gentlemen is the key. Chart time. Lots and lots of it. You watch it very closely long enough and you'll start to develop an intuition.
>>1466961It's not only that but if you look to the left of my entries there are peaks which were not broken during those spikes
URRE???
>>1466952>Going to delete them soon though.Listen you stupid cunt....First, you deleting your "trade confirmations" is stupid. Your photos are automatically archived, like pic related. Stop being a fucking noob.Second, that's not a trade confirmation, kid. That's just another crayon drawing of you roleplaying.FACT: You didn't actually buy or sell anything.FACT: Your portfolio balance, if any, is less than $1000.FACT: You couldn't pick a winning trade if someone put a gun to boyfriend's head.FACT: You get your jollies coming to a Chinese basketweaving board and pretending to be a wolf of wall street.Now fuck of back to /r9k/ where you belong.
>>1466975He s-saved my p-pictures. This is the first time someone has saved one of my pictures. Does this mean were married now?Also look at the dotted green line next to the word buy with the numbers. That clearly shows my entry. What else do you think those dotted lines represent?
>>1466954CDFs are traded with forex brokers and forex brokers allow you to trade based on these lot sizesStandard 100,000 unitsMini 10,000 unitsMicro 1,000 unitsIm not sure but IIRC for a xxxUSD pair a mini lot has a pip value of $1 and a standard lot has a pip value of $10 so 20 × $10 = $200 per standard lot.So you could have a position of 10 standard lots to get the same exposure as the GC futures contract.
>>1466984Here is an example of how to calculate the value of 1 Pip for one 10k (mini) lot of xxxUSD where the base currency of the account is USD. Start with 10,000. Multiply 10,000 by .0001 since 1/10,000th is a pip for all xxxUSD pairs 10000 x 0.0001 = $1.
>>1466962I see it looks like your short entry was near the top of the candles from the previous candles around Aug 24.
>>1466998Shh don't let these plebs learn the secrets. They just want to get rich quick and be toxic. I don't believe they are actually interested in learning the market and improving. It takes a lot of work and a lot of time. So much sacrifice. I knew you would be able to see it but don't share it so easy with them
>>1466981>He s-saved my p-pictures.I didn't save anything you pathetic mongoloid. Do you even know what an archive is?https://warosu.org/biz/thread/S1465750#p1466975Go. back. to. r9k. you. fucking. loser.
>>1467002OK bye
>>1467001you're correct it takes a lot of time and effort and hard work to learn this stuff which is one of the many reasons why 95% of people who try to trade end up failing even though there are lots of books and websites and blogs that talk abuot this plus there are tons and tons of videos around on places like youtube that talk about this
>>1466602>>1466602>>1466602What do you think about buying growth shares? I like to analyse fundamentals and then buy from small cap companies and wait for them to appreciate.I just bought my 2 first shares but since im not american i couldnt invest in HLFN. It's on the OTC Pink sheets :CMy problem is im low paid, so i invest in mutual funds like vanguard and some others, and try to put like 100 dollarydoos at a time into some small cap companies.
>>1467016>>1467001meme
>>1467016Maybe I should try watching more videos but when I was first learning ait of what I found online wasn't very helpful at all. It was then everyone would be doing it.And there's some shit I could show you that I'm pretty sure you would never find online or anywhere. I'm not saying no one else figures it out but they sure as hell aren't telling anyone else.>>1467017Sorry bro I don't know shit about stocks yet. I only do fx for now and I seem to do much better on gold charts. If you are low paid I would look into something with high leverage if you actually know what you are doing or really lucky.This shit is really tough and you likely won't see any results for a long time but if you are lucky and good enough and put enough time into it and willing to sacrifice everything then maybe you can make it.
>>1467028I got my copy of the 1940 edition of Security Analysis, too. That's gonna be a fun read. Here's to reaching financial independence and not having to be a wagecuck
>>1467028I'm an Order Flow newb myself but here is my attempt at analysis
>>1467016>it takes a lot of time and effort and hard work to learn this stuffCan you show me the evidence that "time," "effort," or "hard work" leads to greater returns? You retards keep saying these platitudes, but you never back them up.
>>1466504Nicely wew'd my lad.
>>1466510A lot of [you's] bb girll.
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>not much opportunity to invest in undervalued stocksBuffett says hi
>>1467074>>1467074>>1467074>The rate of return sought should be dependent on the amount of intelligent effort the investor is willing and able to bring to bear on his task. The minimum return goes to the passive investor, who wants both safety and freedom from concern. The maximum return would be realised by the alert and enterprising investor who exercises maximum intelligence and skill.t. Benny Graham from The Intelligent Investor
>>1467118>>The rate of return sought should be dependent on the amount of intelligent effort the investor is willing and able to bring to bear on his task. The minimum return goes to the passive investor, who wants both safety and freedom from concern. The maximum return would be realised by the alert and enterprising investor who exercises maximum intelligence and skill.That's a conclusory statement, full of puffery and good intentions, but completely lacking in actual hard evidence. Saying that "Graham thinks so" is not proof of an argument. Graham is full of shit and/or outdated on many topics.So how about some real evidence that effort, hard work, skill, time, or commitment actually improves your rate of return. Because I know a lot of Wall Street trading firms and hedge funds (95% of them, in fact) that have FUCKING PILES of effort, skill, education, time, commitment, and resources ... and yet can't beat an index fund after accounting for their expenses.Prove me wrong.
>>1465931Took two decades but my 1/64th share of Disney is finally worth enough to buy a pack of gum. Thank you Luke Skywalker.
>>1467138Well beating the market as an institutional investor who needs to invest billions in high quality and fairly low-risk investments is hard.Beating market returns as an individual investing in under-valued or growth shares is not as difficult.Also, Graham's writings all clearly demonstrate those willing to do good security analysis can make good returns.Buffet's only real difference from Graham is that he places great value on unique intangible advantages like strong brand names.I know you want to pretend you're all scientific with evidence, anon. If you'd ever read anything on investing, such as Tim Hale's book, you'd know the majority of evidence says that passive investing usually gives better returns than those who try to beat the market with stocks.And yet here we are with people like buffett. I myself know a 75 yo guy who has made a few hundred thousand from stock investing, he's amazing.Point is, success can be had. Don't take advice from losers though. If you follow the advice of slater, graham, and buffett, you can do a lot of good.
>>1467143>Well beating the market as an institutional investor who needs to invest billions in high quality and fairly low-risk investments is hard.>Beating market returns as an individual investing in under-valued or growth shares is not as difficult.Ah, the old Buffett apology. "It's harder to invest more money than less money." Conveniently forgetting a few things though: (1) It's never been shown to be true. (2) Having more capital open up opportunities not available to smaller investors. (3) No one is requiring them to invest every dollar or even to take in every dollar offered to them, especially if they can't earn an above-market return on the funds.It's a tired, well-worn excuse than doesn't convince anyone who thinks beyond platitudes and pithy quotes.So, I'm still waiting for that evidence that effort, hard work, skill, time, or commitment actually improves your rate of return. You keep posting bullshit and idealizations. You keep posting quotes from "star" investors. You keep providing anecdotal stories about your neighbor's cousin's hairdresser.Got any actual evidence? It's a simple question that should have a simple answer....
>>1467185You're a giant goober.>(2) Having more capital open up opportunities not available to smaller investors.Yes, it does. But the fact is, an institutional investor is never going to put a small amount of money into a small-cap company. They are very limited in the type of trades they can make.Similarly, individual investors are limited by being poor, or poorer than institutions, but they can invest in anything they can afford.>Got any actual evidence? It's a simple question that should have a simple answer....I've already pointed out that Tim Hale gives LOADS of references in his book to financial journals, and explained that most of the evidence suggests passive investing is better than trying to beat the market.As someone whose day job actually involves research, let me tell you not to place too much importance on MUH JOURNALS, you fool. They only tell you what has happened in the past, for one thing, and they certainly cannot predict the future.And they certainly do not tell you what you are capable of. With some study an intelligent person can beat the market, and indeed many of them do. So you can stop repeating yourself asking "where is muh evidence" now. Posters of your type are very common at forums about intellectual activities, but you fail to think about any problems that """"""actual""""" evidence has.
>>1467185>>1467143How about when your position sizes in the millions and there is simply not enough liquidity in the orderbook to do things that you could do with a smaller position size.
>>1467196>They are very limited in the type of trades they can make.No. No they're not. I know of very few hedge funds or trading firms that arbitrary restrict themselves from profitable investments. And while they may have size thresholds, that's more a function of transactional and research costs rather than a limitation on their pursuit of profit.>They only tell you what has happened in the past, for one thing, and they certainly cannot predict the future.Nice attempt to move the goalposts and avoid the question. I'm not asking about the future. I'm asking a simple question that you're unable or refuse to answer.>With some study an intelligent person can beat the market, and indeed many of them do. Less than 5%. Bleak numbers indeed.>Posters of your typeYou mean people who ask for proof of claims, rather than accepting conventional wisdom? You mean people who are aware of the dismal track record of stock pickers? Or do you mean people who aren't beholden to Wall Street, like you?So I'll ask again, and keep asking until I get a direct answer: do you have any evidence that effort, hard work, skill, time, or commitment actually improves your rate of return? >>1467204>How about when your position sizes in the millions and there is simply not enough liquidity in the orderbook to do things that you could do with a smaller position size.No trading firm or hedge fund is required to invest all of their capital into any single investment. If they wanted to do small plays, they could. If they wanted to do hundreds of small plays, they could. Stop with the "muh small trades" bullshit. There's no evidence that small trades are more profitable than large trades, or that trading firms are precluded from making small trades if they wanted to.In reality, they do whatever is sufficiently profitable to keep their investors and their board happy. Even though in 95% of cases, that means underperforming an index after expenses.
>>1467220>do you have any evidence Yes, I do. Investors who beat the market using their effort, hard work, skill, time, and commitment.
>>1467223>Yes, I do. Investors who beat the market using their effort, hard work, skill, time, and commitment.Who are they, how many are there, and by how much did they beat the market? What's the correlation to effort, hard work, skill, time, and commitment? Where are the numbers?I'll ask again, and keep asking until I get a direct answer: do you have any evidence that effort, hard work, skill, time, or commitment actually improves your rate of return?
>>1467234>I'll ask again, and keep asking until I get a direct answerWould you stop if someone slapped the shit out of you?
>>1465750If your good at picking losers, then put a limit order a few percentage points below the market price.
>>1467039You should really start trading. I actually fell into that trap up there at 1 trying to go long but I also had a short a but above it waspretty risky though as the price had been spiking lately and completely blown through a couple of my limits so fast that it actually hit their stop losses which on the charts were about 10 to 30 pips away and the limits were even further from each other.Some sort of weird slippage happened where I was charge for 0 pips for both orders being activated.I also set a limit there at the end of that too and made another quick 60 pips or so right before the market ended too.I'm no expert myself but I like the way you see the charts. It's similar to how I see it. You would probably be pretty good at this. Too many people are focused on chasing the trend in too short of a time frame and lose. They don't see the traps which you should be doing the opposite of the masses to actual win good trades
>>1465934Clouds actually have really nice patterns.
>>1467088Going to take a look through these
>>1467433from chapter 2 on the history of technical and fundamental analysis in the book "Investing With Volume Analysis: Identify, Follow, and Profit From Trends"
>>1467354this is actually a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apophenia>is the human tendency to perceive meaningful patterns within random data.
>>1467322you might be interested in the book "Daemon Goldsmith Order Flow Trading for Fun and Profit"
>>1467599I'll look into it but I honestly have trouble understanding this kind of stuff from books. Much easier if I see it on a chart
>>1467093This is a pretty good read so far. Sounds like technicals got cucked by fundamentals even though technicals were clearly predicting shit and making people into millionairesome.Then some guy told everyone not to worry about learning the markets and dealing with manipulation(which I doubt can ever be stopped) and just focus on fundamentals and long term trades.Reading this makes a lot of things clear to me and answers some questions. I've always wondered why the average person thinks you can't predict the market and thinks it's all random.Thanks for this. This is really interesting so far
>>1467096OK now this makes things much much clearer holy shit. The SEC basically brain washed everyone. Well if these fools want to believe that the market can't be gamed and like that dude said don't want to learn the laws of supply and demand then that just makes it easier for people like me to slaughter them in the markets.
>>1468259>>1467599>>1467798Don't mean to bother you guys, I'm a newfag on this board and I was wondering how you guys got to where you guys are now? You guys seem to have heads on your shoulders. I'm new to business and finance and wanted to start learning as a hobby mostly and perhaps as something profitable in the future. Is there anything I should focus on as a beginner? Im looking for some guidance or some general direction to steer. I was thinking of learning what I could on Khan academy and see which way the wind blows from there. Anything would be helpful
>>1468329I haven't gotten anywhere yet. I've only been learning how to trade for the last year and I only started to have a better understanding of the market very recently like maybe the last 4-6 months. And on top of that I seem to only be able to trade gold well.I guess you want to study supply and demand and the way the ways the market moves.Most of what I learned is from watching some videos on how the market traps the average investors into fake out moves and then watching the charts and learning why what I was learning as a beginner wasn't working and seemed to always have me trading the exact opposite of what the market was doing for the day.And then lots and lots of live trading experience over the last year and looking at other traders charts and entries to help structure the way I see things and building from there.It's probably a good idea to just read some of those books the other guy is recommending. Will save you a lot of pain and money learning those same lessons from the market at a premium price.
>>1465757>technical analysislel that shit's a meme, it doesn't work
>technical analysis"see dey beez 2 hills on dis chart here? dat means da double top pattern gunna go downzies"It's just pseudo science garbage
>>1465934>"I like to talk complicated talk and look smart but can't be bothered with a fundamental and mathematical understanding of what I try to make money off of"This sums "technical" "analysis" up.
>>1466132DELET THIS!!"!1!!!
>>1467003LOL ROBOTS BTFOHOW CAN HE EVER RECOVER
>>1469394Some technical analysis is okay if there's a logic to the patterns.For instance heads and shoulders. It's the point where an up trend fails to make a new high.Trendline break is a natural point where stoplosses are. When stoplosses are hit, people that have bought expecting a bounce all 'sell' accelerating the price.Supply and demand just represents unfilled orders. So a bank tells some trader to place 500lots of EUR/USD at 1.1 price. Lets say 400 of those 500 gets filled. There's 100 more lots sitting there at that price.So when price goes around and comes back to 1.1 it jumps up again as those orders are consumed.
>>1466504nicely wew'd my lad
>>1465853Lol, my thought. "Buy one share, then sell one hundred, then buy 99 to cover the gap."
>>1469465lolwut
>>1467185Lol broGo try to buy 50 BILLION dollars worth of any stock lol just try. That's the cash Berk is sitting on right now. No they don't need to invest every dollar, and they don't! All that waiting for the right, big opportunity is harder than just buying memes on Robinhood. >tfw you are sharing a board with people that honestly think investing is linear
>>1469657BRK doesn't buy public stock, moron. Well, they do buy some, but their trading activities are a de minimus percentage of their income.>tfw you are sharing a board with people who don't know the difference between M&A and stock purchases
>>1470297https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_Berkshire_Hathaway
>>1465750The stock market is not for you.
>>1465750Most institutional investors are in it for the short run. Most stockholders outside of Wall Street are in it for the long run.Think about the long run. By seeing the stock going down, you are guaranteed to lose money. 99% of stocks will not plummet to zero.
>>1465914Except you do. Companies can go under and have their stock ticker removed from the system. No penny stock starts as a penny stock.
THERE IS AN EMERGENCY, THIS IS NOT A DRILL OR A SHILL. >>>>>>>>>SWHC + SLV<<<<<<<<<<<<SWHC ER (EARNINGS REPORT) COMING INSILVER WILL RISE BECAUSE OF DOLLAR CRASHINVESTORS ARE JUMPING ON THE SILVER (SLV) BANDWAGON AND GOLD, THE USA HAS SO MUCH DEBT THAT THEY ARE JUST PRINTING THEIR OWN MONEY.THE DOLLAR IS SAID TO CRASH NEXT WEEK.INVESTORS ARE BUYING SILVER (SLV) BECAUSE GOLD IS BECOMING TOO EXPENSIVE.>>>BUY SLV(iShares Silver Trust (ETF))AND>BUY SWHC(Smith & Wesson Holding Corp)I KNOW THIS SEEMS UNSURE, BUT SLV WILL RISE IN PANIC OF DOLLAR CRASH, MANY INVESTORS ARE BUYING SLV... ITS GOING TO HAPPEN SOONER THAN YOU THINK IT IS.>WITH A MIX OF SWHH , YOU GOT YOURSELF SOME GUNS AND SOME SILVER, FEAR MONGERING AND NEARING THE ELECTION SWHC WILL SKYROCKET, AND BECAUSE OF PANIC IN DOLLAR CRASH FOR NEXT WEEK, PEOPLE STOCK UP ON SILVER.SLV IS A SECURE INVESTMENTAS WELL AS SWHC.SWHC + SLV ANY NAYSAYERS ARE KEKS>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z5py1098RA [Embed] >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR6p4vPck9A [Embed] SLV AFTER GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN mooned CONTINOUSLY.IM HERE TO SAVE YOU ALL.
>>1470309Owning shares in a public company doesn't mean you bought them off an exchange, idiot. Ever heard of a tender offer?>Jesus, I'm getting cancer just dealing with these morons.
>>1470369tender offer means you payed above share price because you are buying so many shares.its painfully apparent that you are indeed new 2 the game. while i ,intact , am TRUE , to the game, keep playin tho playa. .
>>1470397>tender offer means you payed above share price because you are buying so many shares.It's called a control premium.Are you the same moron quoting investopedia in the other thread? I hope so. I'd be even more sad if there were TWO people so stupid. I'm honestly hoping it's just you.
>>1470366Silver could go down to 17 dollareedoos yet. Even lower.
>>1470403Tender Offer Definition | Investopediawww.investopedia.com/terms/t/tenderoffer.aspInvestopediaA tender offer is an offer to purchase some or all of shareholders' shares in a corporation. The price offered is usually at a premium to the market price.
>>1465760"lmao"
>>1465951Look at the fucking Nikkei cunt
>>1470366>THE DOLLAR IS SAID TO CRASH NEXT WEEK.Yeah and Russia is going to invade USA next week too.
>>1467594ordo ab chaos or some shit niggaIt's called having a fucking brain
many investors much smarter and successful than you lot attribute a lot of their success to technical analysisJust because you're shit at it and can't combine it with a fundamental view doesn't make it useless
>>1466132ThisJust use finance ratios to make sure the company isn't fucked before you buy it.Enough muh super intelligent speculation
I'm going to buy 10K of AMZN monday and it will assuredly crash and burn for the rest of the year.
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>>1472244>>1470642You are going to try to catch that falling knife? I learned about that term on investipedia.
>>1465750IT WONT STOP HAPPENEING
>>1465750what criteria are you using to pick stocks? I used to be a prop trader, and I used what I learned about institutional algorithms to develop my own indicator. But it's not like I run around applying my indicator to anything with a pulse. I am very particular about my short list of stocks. Then I apply my custom indicator to my short list and:>pic related.
TA is a meme, all you should do is buy Bitcoin on every dip or cry later.
>>1465750cuz ur too big of a pussy to sell
>>1473473What would you say are the different risk/reward ratios that the institutions use in trading positions (not market making)?
>>1473523I wouldn't say. Nothing personal, it's just how I feed my kid. I have no incentive to see my strat diluted by posting specific details online.
>>1466510Give good luck to other anons you retarded cuntwhat other use do you think it has?
>>1465967>>1465966>>1465961>>1465951>>1465943>>1465934>>1465931>>1465914I bought a meme stock (AFPO) and it has gone down 90%. All of my bluechip picks have soared 20-40% in a year. Lesson learnt. Not penny stocking again tbqh.
>>1465757But it becomes more and more popular, when a majority of people will do it, won't it be usefull, or true more often, not always because of luck ?
>>1465757who the fuck orders shots of espresso?
>>1473543Exactly. People don't understand that if you share what you know and everyone starts using it then it won't work as well anymore. There has to be losers so the few can win. Everyone can't win or it doesn't work.
>Short a ton of stock>Buy a small amount of stock>Sell portions of that stock for lower prices that would almost certainly be immediately snatched up>Do this over and over again until you create a panic-sell situatoin>MASSIVE gains on the shorted stockSo why wouldn't this work
>>1474337I don't do stocks but apparently people used to do things like this and now there are rules against shit like that.
>1467138>1467143>1467185>1467196>1467220>posting your blog on a self destructing image board
>>1474337One thing to consider is that your sell orders would only be filled on an uptick after a decline activates this uptick rule.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uptick_rule>The uptick rule is a trading restriction that states that short selling a stock is only allowed on an uptick.>It is triggered when a security's price decreases by 10% or more from the previous day's closing priceAnother thing to consider is that there are plenty of examples of traders entering incorrect prices way below/above the market and they lost hundreds of millions or even billions to the other sharks in the water who smelt the blood because when you are offering APPL for $7.71 instead of $771 they are willing to buy as many as you can give them. And then these typo traders got hit with huge fines from the regulators for manipulation and causing halts.http://www.efinancialnews.com/story/2007-03-12/the-fat-finger-points-to-trouble-for-tradershttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat-finger_errorhttp://www.cnbc.com/id/46835129>Shares of Apple plunged 9 percent on a single trade, causing it to be halted by the single stock circuit breaker rule>A single trade of 100 shares at a price of $542.80 hit the tape at 10:57 >The previous trade seconds earlier was at a price of $598.26.>“It looks like a fat finger mistake,”https://www.quora.com/In-securities-trading-what-does-fat-finger-trade-mean>Apple's share price fell today because a trader supposedly entered a price for Apple stock that was much lower than the market. He essentially gave away apple stock at a steep discount and the market responded with confusion and selling. The activity was so significant that automatic security protocols were launched resulting in a "halt trading" in which Apple's stock stopped trading until the mistake was uncovered. Apple's stock recovered promptly after the error was identified and the shares resumed trading.
>>1474696But if you have deep enough pockets to exhaust the buyers you may get 'lucky':https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Flash_Crash>detailed how a large mutual fund firm selling an unusually large number of E-Mini S&P contracts first exhausted available buyers, and then how high-frequency traders (HFT) started aggressively selling, accelerating the effect of the mutual fund's selling and contributing to the sharp price declines>determined that a large seller, a mutual fund firm, exhausted available fundamental buyers and then triggered a cascade of selling by intermediaries, particularly high-frequency trading firms.
>>1465750lol I know the feel anon, I know the feel
>>1474337That's called "painting the tape" I believe and it is illegalDo not do it. Ever ever
>>1474704>>1474337interesting, not tryna to do that just curious. dont you need massive amounts to do that, like millions?
Does anyone here actually make decent profit from stock investments and how much?
>>1466011I believe you'll find it's the "farting duck" pattern.
>>1465853Topkek
>>1466768>i knew it
>>1465750shoulda bought Rich Dad, Poor DadTHEN and only THEN will you be financially successful
>>1473917>I got burned once and now I'm too much of a pussy to ever do it againNot really a good attitude for life tbph
>>1474325The stock market isn't a zero sum game. Companies are creating value and grow in size organically. Companies develop new tech and new products. Markets expand, economies expand. Zero-sum is just a child-tier meme.
>>1475176deal with it.
>>1474337lol, the fucking amount of illiteracy on this board. 4 people replied to you, and none of them hit the mark.>if you short a ton of stock, then buy a small amount of stock, you are now short slightly less than a ton of stock and you do not own any. Short 1 million shares, then buy 100,000 shares, you are now net short 900,000 shares. Period. End of story.Also, thinking that you can just sell your 100,000 shares down to shittier and shittier prices. There is such a thing as a bid/ask spread. You cannot sell at a price lower than the current highest bid. You can try, but your broker will just match your retarded sell order with the NBBO (National Best Buy or Offer). So right now, you could go out and put in a sell order on AAPL for $0.01 and you broker will just execute that order at $106.38 for you. So much fucking stupid. I don't know why I even.
>>1466768>Taking a picture of his screenTrading geniuses in this thread
>>1475180>I got burned once and now I'm too much of a pussy to ever do it againThat's what I said about Three Card Monte.But now I realize that like penny stocks, I should try again, with more money.
>>1467039Where did you learn how to do this? Because of you I recently started looking into this and stumbled upon some videos that teach what I've been painstakingly teaching myself from scratch. Seems like my crude and simple view of the markets is about to get expanded on exponentially .I didn't think I would actually learn anything useful here but you helped point me in the right direction. I'll probably take a break from trading for a while and at the very least skip out on nfp while I study this shit.
Anyone else make money on the brazil impeachment? I'm up 120k this year.
Put $50 in 4 days ago, up to $120 today. This shit is so easy come on senpai you got this
I've got one>Buy cryptocurrency>It goes up 10%I had no idea it was such a small currency
>>1477066I already recommended the book I started with:>>1467599>you might be interested in the book "Daemon Goldsmith Order Flow Trading for Fun and Profit"since this was one of the first books I read I see the rest through tinted glasses because now every other book I read I see these concepts between the lines, even going back to Edwards&Magee I these concepts being hinted at.From here I was able to find a lot more information and ventured out into other concepts related to this by searching for things like: order flow, trapped traders, depth of market, price ladder, market microstructure, tape reading, metagame concepts like lots of traders placing their stops at the same level, institutions with large positions hunting for liquidity.Al Brooks talks about trapped traders in his price action books.
>>1477255I see thanks. So if you have all this knowledge why aren't you trading? You would make a killing.
>>1477407Like I said I'm very new to this and I still have a lot to learn and plan on reading many more books first. I enjoy learning as much as I can anyways so I'm enjoying the journey.
>>1478336Look up a guy named Mike j huddleston of ict.a lot of it you may already know but I'm sure you will find it very interesting.
>>1465996if you see that beautiful duck pattern and don't buy it you only have yourself to blame
It can't be this easy
>>1465750>you see a stock go up>you get excited>so you buy it too>it goes downTurns out when the stock is going up, the people and institutions who bought before you were taking profits, causing the stock to go down.Why don't you do the opposite? Buy during the accumulation phase, after a decline, then sell when the stock is going up and distribution phase.If you're thinking that doing the opposite is scary, remember that buy when it's scary for ordinary people, and sell when ordinary people are excited and positive.
>>1465750What stocks are these my shorting budda
bump
>>1479479This anon knows whats upi usually do this.. got burned a few times by bull traps. I bought the dips and it kept dipping. But thats part of the game. sometimes you learn to cut your losses.
>>1479479so buy low and sell high?HOLY SHIT WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHTWE HAVE A MODERN DAY GENIUS HERE
>>1479714It's a lot more complicated than you are making it seem.>>1479706This guy seems to know what's up to.There are trap moves that make you think it's going one way when it's really going another way and it happens very very fast.You have to have a great understanding of what's going on. I mean honestly would you have sold into this here or bought it? It moved down in seconds and back up in seconds.Of course you can set limits but you have to know exactly where to place them and it takes either a lot of luck or a great understanding of what's happening >>1466975
>>1478408I looked into ICT back when I was researching hunting for liquidity but I didn't look into it any further but now you've brought it to my attention that it is much much deeper than than. I really like it so far. I especially like how it unifies a lot of concepts from different camps into one framework. Thanks for pointing that out to me.
>>1465853And then it goes upkek
>>1468329>heads on your shoulders Kek>>1465934>>1465943>>1480450Man you guys are actually idiotsThere are many successful traders who use fundamentals, technical analysis and quantitative as well as qualitative analysis to make decisions. TA is not a meme, you're on a 5chan finance board lol. Of course no one here would know how to use it, but it works. Paul tudor Jones etc. When certain ratios reach cyclical lows and macro sentiment is smooth and there's an RSI & MACD bullish divergence near a key fibonacci retracement level it can indicate a reversal you cuck. Its a cyborg finance world, not your dad's 1980s human only market
>>1465750>not staying the course
>>1480491No thank you friend. I was starting to put together a lot of the little pieces from teaching myself how to swing trade basically. And some of the things you mentioned like order blocks got me digging and looking and it led me to this guy.I've been watching his stuff and it's starting to fill in the gaps of what I've been discovering on my own.I think I'll take a break from trading for a while and study.I already have some new ideas on how I want to eventually trade. Thinking of trading somewhere between how a hedge fund and an institutional trades. I want to position and swing trade while stacking orders for my position trades and unload them at the end of the cycle and then do it the opposite way back every cycle.I thought I couldn't find anything worthwhile here but I found you and it helped lead me to where I needed to look next.
>>1467017>mutual fundsEnjoy your high MERs when you can get the same or better returns with ETFs
URRE you're welcome
>>1465750retard
Been on this thread for almost 20 and still don't know wtf is being discussed.Finance grad here lol