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Holidays are a comin', good luck seagulls!
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ALA is getting pretty big nowadays isn't it? Should I just bring the usual 10 pc per charm design for stock or go a little higher?
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>>10027363
I hope you have over 100 designs because 10 charms per design is weak as fuck anon
You sure you’re in the right place?
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>>10027554
relax
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>>10027633
Dif anon but I want to jump I'm on charm discussion. I do well with cons and my online store, I'm not sure why but acrylic charms are always one of my weaker sellers.
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>>10027650
That's unusual! What are your strong sellers? For me, it's stickers online and charms at cons. I barely sell any prints these days.
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>>10027554
Speaking of charm selling, who are some of the biggest charm sellers? I want to pick one or a few to make my “goal/competition” with and so far I’m not finding very many big sellers. Hitsuya seems kinda big on the market, but that’s all I can think of now as far as names.
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>>10027697
>Hitsuya
Who?
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>>10027731
@hitsukuya on Twitter.
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Youmacon's over. How'd everyone do? I've heard pretty mixed results from friends and the fb group. A lot of people complaining they barely made cost.
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>>10027697
that's really close minded thought and not productive towards your growth.
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>>10027807
How is it not productive toward their growth? Some people are “inspired” to make art and sales others are aggressively “ambitious” to make art and sales.
Sakimichan is a more “aggressive” type for example.
One size doesn’t fit all anon and don’t try to foist your ideals onto someone else so condescendingly.
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>>10027807
>not productive towards your growth.
Setting goals for yourself isn't productive towards growth? wut
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>>10027697
>anon wants to pick someone to compete with in sales as their goal
Idgi How would that even work? You won’t have access to their sales figures/order quantities or even the info to make a guess in the right ballpark. Maybe you mean in terms of how many designs they have available but it doesn’t sound like it.
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So how was Nekocon for those of you that went? I wanted to do it and decided against, thinking about next year. And is pro row worth the added cost?
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>>10027554
>attempting e-dick swinging in /aag/
what are you even doing lmao
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>>10027759
I did pretty decently! I flew in from out of state and made about 6 times my cost - so I'll probably be back next year. This is my first year going so I can't speak for how this year was compared to others but I will say Friday was incredibly slow. Sunday was on part with Saturday sales though. Honestly, it was busier than Saturday considering that the hall was open much shorter on Sunday.
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Does anyone want to buy my table from me at HolMat?
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>>10027697
I don't know if they count but kayozia seems to be rising a wee bit. The only issue i have with her charms is that EVERY charm she makes suffers from same-face syndrome. I'm not even joking, because when i first discovered her store, i thought she legit was copying and pasting all the eyes she's drawn onto different anime and video game characters from laziness.

Her art is cute and obviously high-quality but i can't unsee the skinny necks on each Chibi she draws and the same-face syndrome. It actually inspires me to make sure each character i draw has their own unique eye shape and not the same thing.

Pic attached is her Nekopara charms.
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>>10028021
Is that artist the one anon who kept getting hugely flawed shipments of charms recently? I felt really bad for them.
It is cute, does look a bit same in the face and expression. Otoh i actually like the necks, it sets them apart from a generic chibi style.
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>>10027840
I did well, also liked how it was run.
About pro row, besides a bigger table, the benefit is the placement means people are likely to see your work first/when they walk in, but the whole Alley is of a size that they’ll probably do a circuit of the whole thing anyway. It’s a great size for the con in an age where the trend is to oversell more and more tables proportionate to the attendance.
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>>10027840
It was ok but I was down 30% from last year. I think the pro row is only worth it if you need the space.
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what program do people draw digitally with these days, is it still Photoshop?
I personally use Paint tool sai, but it doesn't really let you have transparent bgs like pic related
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>>10028210
I've ditched Photoshop in favor if Clip Studio Paint. I just find the tools more practical and easier for my drawing process, and at this point I've hoarded and tweaked so many custom brushes going to back to PS to experiment feels like a chore. I still use PS for touch ups and tweaking, but even kind of use is further between for each time since CSP can handle most of my needs.

I used to use Sai a long time ago too, if you prefer Sai to Photoshop too I would give Clip Studio Paint a try. It is similar but better than Sai in pretty much every conceivable way.
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>>10028210
You can get a transparent background in sai though. Make a background layer, turn it invisible, and when you save as .png check the "32bpp ARGB" option. Not sure if it works on anything other than .png though.
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>mfw I used the wrong image
rip

>>10028255
Thank you so much for the tip anon! I've been looking for other programs to try, so I'll give it a shot!

>>10028267
OH - thank you anon!!
I didn't think it was possible on Sai for some reason
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>>10028210
Illustrator, because I like to make my life difficult
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>>10027840
Pretty bad. I came in from out of state and I'm in the red.

I have 2 AA friends who also came in from out of state who are also in the red. We are all print artists with a few pins and charms here and there. We were also placed in the back of the room. I don't know if that has something to do with it. The girl next to me though did incredibly well from what I could tell, but she had LOTS of prints surrounding her on every side and was a rather good artist. She may even be >>10027843 ...?
Because I heard her say she flew in several times.

It would be good if you were local, but the hotel and food cost killed me since I was paying for my helper too.
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>>10027650
>>10027685
Diff anon but charms hardly sell for me either. Nothing can beat prints for me.
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>>10028342
I did pretty well- A fair couple grand. I drove in from out of state and I beat what I made at a larger con earlier in the year. I think it was definitely not a "print" con though. I didn't really get steady print sales until Sunday and many of my neighbors that we're mainly print artists seemed to be really slow all weekend. I was never more thankful to have expanded my product offerings...
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>>10028392
I think it's genuinely just a case of what type of products your art is suitable for. What looks good as stickers, charms, etc. might not be that interesting as a print and vice versa. Obviously there are artists who can do well in both, but I think your average artist will probably have a preference for one style and that will be reflected on their products. Not a bad thing at all though, I think it's nice when artists know their own strenghts and offer products based on that instead of focusing whatever just happens to be the newest trend.
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>>10028021
Looking at their Etsy store it seems like they’re doing it intentionally. I’ve seen some artists kinda make their charms in very very similar style to each other to kinda force a “brand” type of feeling to it. I don’t know any artists off the top of my head, but it’s kinda what funko does with the intentional “same-face” style.
I guess it depends on what their regular non-chibi/charm art looks like.
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>>10028422
Closest example I could find was like Noflutter. You instantly see their art and know it’s by noflutter. I guess it’s just a design preference.
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>>10028398
>A fair couple grand.
I just brought home $450-ish ( >>10028342 here). My other 2 friends brought in even less. This was my second con, AN being my first where I brought home $700, just broke even for my first time. I was even in the way back in the dead row at AnimeNext too (so I was pretty annoyed I was put in the back at Neko as well).

I heard such good things about Nekocon, so I was confident I'd break even and bring in profit too. I feel terrible and feel the same about my artwork.
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>>10028404
I think audience has a lot to do with it too, though. My audience loves prints and stickers but they're definitely not the kind that would pick up many if any charms, versus other fandoms that hoard as many keychains as they can. When I'm doing a con, the charms that I do sell are definitely not to my typical demographic of customers.
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>>10028428
Actually it was my 3rd. First one I just forget about because it was a first year 2-day high school con called Fanfaire.

I just got an email from them though that says they're raising table price to $150, but I'm locked in to a special $60 price that was the 2018 cost.

This is funny because no one showed up to that "convention" and they really want $150 for their 2 day shit show now? Some people didn't even make $20. I was one of the lucky few to make table back at $61.

It was so dead, artists were playing their 3Ds behind the table or sleeping. The only people buying from one another were the artists.

Would it be in bad taste to email them back and tell them how ridiculous this is?
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>>10028444
I would email them, that sounds atrocious.
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>>10027993
I do! Please email me anon.
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>>10028210
I switched over to Sai primarily but use photoshop for color touchup and text
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>>10028444
>>10028428
You and the other anon don’t necessarily have bad or unmarketable art, we’re in the middle of an AA bubble where many many people are selling and those who are relatively new (and usually have a smaller product range, vs the zillion charm and enamel pin catalog some people have amassed) are susceptible to not do well through no flaw of their work.
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>>10028210
seconding Clip Studio aka Manga Studio. It’s a nice program especially relative to its cost and the more i learn to do with it the better and better it gets.
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>>10028422

You're probably right. But the thing that gets me is that a lot of anime/video game characters do have specific eye shapes. I know anime is all samey from afar but some characters do have different eye shapes that distinguishes them from each other. It just confused me because EVERY charm in Kayozia's store has same-face issues and i used to do same-face art as a teen and i stopped once i realized my issue.

I didn't know people out there do it for their brand, possibly like Sakimichan, but it just.. makes the artist's work feel stale to me. Kayo has cute art and it's high quality, but i feel they can do so much more and better as opposed to doing the same eyes for everything with just small alterations.
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>>10028210
if you get clip paint, wait till they have the sale. it happens every so often.
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>>10028342
Pretty sure I'm not who you're talking about, anon. I was talking about my Youmacon profits since I was at Youma and not Nekocon...
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>>10028477
emailed you!
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>>10028428
I don't know where you heard good things, because most people did meh last year. I did 3k last year so I came back but I only did $2300 this year
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>>10028513 >>10028428

I'm going to disagree- it may very well be their art. We are in the middle of an AA bubble. But that just means you have more competition. If half of an AA is earning thousands, and you're lucky to make back cost, that's a pretty clear divide. You have to find a way to make yourself either a) good enough or b) different enough to make sales. (or both)

I'm very new to cons myself, so it's not a seasoned veteran thing. It's a business sense and skill level thing if anything. I'm not trying to be mean, more so just encouraging people to be realistic about what is obtainable for them at their current level.
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>>10028669
I mean, it IS linked to business sense and marketing (ex what type of product you brought), but that doesn’t = art skill. The anon who did really well even said they thought product was important and it wasn’t a print con.
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>>10028669
>If half of an AA is earning thousands, and you're lucky to make back cost, that's a pretty clear divide.

I always read about how to not expect to make thousands your first few cons. How many cons should you do before you start to see profit?

I thought I was "ok" with making costs back at my first con, but now I'm questioning due to losing money at my second.
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>>10028689
Maybe see what booths are doing well (as much as you can-like if they get lots of traffic and seem busy) and see what they do that you can do similarly?

This is my first year or so doing cons, but I spent over a year preparing for my first con with my goal being no one would say "yeah, I can tell it's your first year." Though, I'm a person that over analyses everything. I put a lot of effort and upfront cost into making my booth as good if not better than veterans' booths I see online. Scope out AANI and make note of what everyone else is doing. it sucks to compare yourself to others, but they're your competition. You need to ask yourself "Out of everyone in the AA, why will they choose me to give their money to?" What are you offering that makes you desirable. Every booth has a BNHA print, why should they pick yours?

If it's your first year I wouldn't worry as much as if you had been doing AA a while. Most businesses make a loss their first year. Just observe others and start building yourself a solid foundation.

>>10028672
I still agree with you, but that's where my A and B example comes into play. If your art isn't god tier, you have to play smart. Diversify, find a niche, etc. In the current state of AA you better be fucking fantastic if you think you can get away with the same wall of fanart prints and handful of *kawaii* acrylic charms everyone else has.
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>>10028689
It's hard to get a trend from just two cons anon, I think you're doing fine, so long as the next couple cons you have positive progress.
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>>10027817
being a cunt and comparing yourself with others so you can "beat" them like they're your "rivals" or something is pretty stupid and immature but if you want to keep living your high school anime delusions go for it ig
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>>10028724
I don't see how anon is being a cunt by making rivals. It's not like they are trying to sabotage other artists, they're just setting those artists as goals to ameliorate towards. Some people do best when they have a clear objective to strive towards. It's not too different than targeting an old master and studying their style to "steal techniques" as some put it.
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>>10028689
Here's my experience for reference:
- First con: made like... $20 profit after costs
- Second con: made $400 profit

After that, I regularly hit 1k+ and I saw steady progress throughout the years. I remember hitting $4~$6k with just prints and a handful of charms and nothing else. Several years and a ton of new merch types later- now I can comfortably hit 10k+ at big cons.

But to be fair, I didn't start off doing cons with the mindset that I was going into it as a fulltime business. For the first year or two I did like 2-3 cons tops per year. And I did it as a way to make cash on the side, not as my bread and butter. It was only about 2 years ago that I made the transition into full time tabling. I definitely wouldn't recommend it to anyone now. The market is volatile and while I've been doing well (I have a huge stock in terms of merch and fandom variation and a small group of devoted return customers/fans), I have friends who've really been struggling recently when I know they used to make 2-3k comfortably at cons in previous years.

I actually don't really understand why so many newbies nowadays sign up for multiple cons ahead of time when they have 0 con experience in their belt? Like I see people on AANI talk about signing up for 6+ cons a year when they haven't even tabled at a single one yet. I would suggest to take it easy and do a couple at a time without the expectation that this is going to turn into a dayjob for you. Putting less pressure on your ability to have a successful con will help you make better art, honestly.
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>>10028743
I’m 99% sure that’s not how you use the word ameliorate, it’s more like “fix, resolve” ex “ameliorate a dangerous situation”. /offtopic
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>>10028754
Same. First two cons barely made back cost, then a low three digits profit, then up. It’s very much a thing to learn what you’re doing right and wrong and become much better after a little experience.
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How long do you think the KDA hyoe is gonna last for? Was thinking of making a print for it but I'm slow as molasses and probably won't have it done till February or so (have to finish up current pipeline)
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>>10028893
oof I can't imagine the hype sticking around for more than 2 months or so
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>>10028743
>I don't see how anon is being a cunt by making rivals.
Rivalry has to go both ways or else it's just weird and gross. Imagine being the person on the other end and once in awhile you notice this rando shadowing you, either trying to match your output, or doing the same fandoms, whatever. And even if you don't notice, it's still creepy as fuck. You're just doing you and meanwhile anon is analyzing your every casual move and using it to boost themselves above you. How can you not see how shitty that is? Other people don't exist just to provide benchmarks for anon's art career.
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>>10029126
Have fun never becoming successful. Artists do this to eachother more often than not, how do you think anyone gets to the top? You have to constantly compare yourself to everyone else, this is why juried cons exist.
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>>10028724
If you hate all your rivals and competition, then you have issues.

>>10029126
I've had several people be inspired by me. I think its cute. I don't understand how you think that is creepy? It sounds like you are taking competition waaaaaaaaaaay too seriously.
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>>10029017
This. You gotta remember a lot of people hyped about it don't play League at all, so there's no sticking power here.
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>>10027759
Did about 4.9k profit flying in from out of state. about the same as last year.
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>>10029126
I’m with you, i don’t really even get what anon is trying to do in picking *one specific* successful artist to hurl themselves towards imitating as closely as possible instead of doing the logical thing we all do and learning from successful people in general.
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>>10029174
>>10029169

There's a difference between healthy competition/following trends and picking one artist specifically and copying their entire business model though
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>>10029244
Where are you getting “copying their entire business model” from? You literally just conjured those words up from nothing?
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>>10029244
>picking one artist specifically and copying their entire business model
Who said anything about doing that? You are taking what others have said and just taking it to the extreme.
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>>10029270
>>10029273

>>10029126 is literally talking about the behavior stalking one particular artist , that's where I got 'entire business model' from. I disagree'd with the replies assertion that behavior is 'just competition'
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>>10029270
>>10029273
The original poster said they were going to pick specific charm sellers to make them into their "goal/competition" and mentioned one person in particular >>10027697 That's creepy.

>>10029222
>the logical thing we all do and learning from successful people in general.
This is correct.
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>>10029305
>The original poster said they were going to pick specific charm sellers
Yes, sellers, with an s at the end. Not "picking one artist".
Literally 99% of businesses compare themselves to other businesses and look into how much they make, how they are trending, how much they sell stuff for, etc.
What other point of reference do you use to determine how well you are doing, and how well you should be doing?
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>>10029320
They literally mentioned a specific person.

The point of reference I use is whether I'm profitable.
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>>10029325
>They literally mentioned a specific person.
As an example of one of the people (s)he likes.......

>The point of reference I use is whether I'm profitable.

Some of us do this as a real business, not as a hobby. If you feel that its "creepy" that someone might look up to you and be inspired, then the creative field is not for you.
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Everyone, relax.

How well do magnets and shirts sell?
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An artist I follow just posted a screenshot of them purchasing AX AA 2019 tickets 2 days ago. Ummmmmm wtf did I miss?
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>>10029374
The fuck? I'm on the waitlist email list, do they just approach people one by one?
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>>10029374
Do you mean extra badges or do you mean tables? Because extra badges were to go up for sale on the 5th
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>>10029335
The artist said one OR a few and didn't say that person was just an example, but keep reading your own interpretation of it I guess.

>>10029335
> that someone might look up to you and be inspired
I think you know that's different from the behavior described. Being inspired/influenced by successful artists is fine, but the behavior of looking at others as if they are a goal post is gross and dehumanizing.

I don't even really understand what OP could learn from targeting charm sellers specifically. Seeing what sells well? You can find that by searching for general top sellers, keeping up with the market and trends, following MANY different artists, not choosing a specific one or few. How to design good charms? You shouldn't be learning that from specific artists, but looking at a broad sampling of charms so you're not just ripping people off. How many designs to make and stock? That can vary even if you do the exact same quality of art and the exact same properties, you just need to learn that from experience. It's such a weird thing to "pick" such a small sample group for.
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>>10029406
Oh that makes sense. They bought 2 tickets I think, so maybe extra badges? I know they didn't actually get in through signups but had people offering to share with them. Though not sure if that would make sense if max 2 people are allowed to be behind a table at a time...

(Also desu they're so popular idk who'd wanna fuck themselves over by sharing with them lol)
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>>10029536
Your last paragraph was exactly my reaction upon reading anon’s post. “I’m going to pick one or three charm makers to model myself after and try to be similar to” this just makes zero sense as s goal to set and is bizarre lol.
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So a few threads ago, the conversation topic of Etsy and how successful some anons were on here motivated me to put some more time and effort into my store. I've went from having 1-2 sales per month to about 10-12 per day for the last 2 weeks. I love seeing it when people post their successes here because it pushes me to work harder on my marketing/business side of AA. Thanks anons!
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>>10029853
Congratulations! Keep up the hard work, Anon! Are you an American? Etsy is great for Black Friday and the holidays. I hope it's a good season for all your hard work
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>>10029869
I'm in the US! Thanks for the tip, I'm looking forward to this holiday season and I'll most likely participate in BF sales then. I wasn't quite sure how BF was for artists, I saw a thread on AANI mentioning how many don't participate in BF/CM much. Let's hope we can all make it rain $$
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>>10029853
Mind me asking what that entails? Like putting more products up, offering discounts, etc? My sales have really dropped off since I've been busy with life stuff so hoping to get the ball rolling again.
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>>10030024
I reworked my SEO, changed my pricing structure (offering discounts for multiple purchases), reorganized the categories in my store for easier browsing, and added a lot more clear, higher quality photos of my inventory. I've also been posting daily on my social media now, so I think that's been helping a lot.
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What's the best way to approach you guys at cons if I want to commission lewds? Just walk up and ask "hey, do you draw lewds?"
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>>10030586
Worded nicely but don't skirt around it I guess. "Hey would you be willing to draw NSFW/lewds, if not I understand."

None of my AA work is really saucy but I've had people ask when commissioning and I'm like yeah sure why not. I think some other artists may seem more uncomfortable about it though so just be prepared for that and them maybe thinking you're weird.
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>>10030586
>Just walk up and ask "hey, do you draw lewds?"
yes, but just be ready for the occasional artist who thinks lewds are of the devil or whatever.
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>>10030586
Just ask. “Do you do Lewds?” Is a reasonable question to be asked in a (mostly) anime industry artist position. We’re not fucking children here.
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>>10030594
>>10030595
>>10030598
Alright, just act cool about it. Thanks guys.
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>>10030586
I'd say target tables that already have NSFW art for sale, a lot of the time they tend to be kind of hidden away in a folder with a warning so they're not that easy to spot, but they're there. A polite "do you take commissions" and calling it "nsfw" sounds way nicer than "lewds" or "porn" or whatever else. Also make sure to mention if you're looking for an at-con commission or not, I can't imagine a lot of people would be interesting in drawing nsfw at the con though.


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>>10030598
Technically, some artists tabling are still minors. But yeah, asking and framing it as 'if not, that's fine' is a good way to go about it.
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>>10030598
>We’re not fucking children here.
I sure hope we aren't, anon.
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I have no problem with people doing it, but its kinda surreal to randomly see someone use your art (original/not commissions to them) as their avatar.
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>>10030751
Do they follow you at least? It's 100x more surreal when they don't even follow you or seem to know who you are lol, I hate people
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>>10030598
If the artist looks like they do, they probably do. It's probably good to approach artists that already do fanservice.
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>>10030586
I draw smut and if someone walked up and used the word lewds I would say no, because that word is for teenage boys and is also incredibly non descriptive. Just ask if they're willing to accept a not safe for work commission and if they seem fine with it, ask what their limitations are. Keep in mind that not everyone's view of what is adult content is the same. One artist might think a fully clothed sexy pose is lewd, a different artist might draw explicit pornography. One tactic you could take is to boil down your request into the most vanilla version that you'll find acceptable, and then tell them they can take it farther if they want. Many artists might be uncomfortable with your question so using the term "lewd" or jumping right into a description of what you want might not go over well.

Also, yeah, artists tend to sell the kind of art they prefer to make so if they don't have any sexy art up then maybe don't ask them?
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>>10030751
>>10030812
I made a thank you post for followers once and someone used that art as their icon. They don't even follow me, but they did like that single post. If they would just message me, I would give them the image without the huge T H A N K Y O U I scribbled on; looking at their icon sends direct pain into my soul.
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So I did all 31 pieces for Inktober this year.

I've thought about compiling them all in small booklets or zines to sell at conventions, but all the zine making services look to be pretty pricey to just make one. Something like pic-related.

Anyone know of any affordable zine printing services?
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>>10031085
PrintNinja does zines for cheap, but you have to order at least 250 copies, which could cost around $900
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>>10031085
Just print it yourself and buy a stapler.
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>>10031096
But what if they want to sell multiple copies? If they want to make 10-20 books, then that's gonna be a lot of paper and ink
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>>10031085
If you're only doing some 10-20 booklets in black and white, I would check what the local printers offers.
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>>10031128
.... That's still going to be cheaper, anon.
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>>10030595
>Kiki dickbutt
...I think i was here for this thread and still somehow missed that. good god that's hilarious
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>Make pin
>Super proud of it
>Very well made
>20 followers I have buy it instatnly
>Awesome
>Now can't get new followers...
>Start posting lots of art of things from fandom to get attention
>No followers
>Befriend others in the fandom
>A few likes

Ugh, I'm going to have to start drawing porn, arn't I?

I know that Twitter/Tumblr has like 1M uploads of art and gifs and whatever every three seconds, but DAMN. If you're a newbie into a fandom you're never going to push your product. I know for a fact if I sold at cons (like in person), I would sell out cause I have a nitch fandom that I am catering to, (Millions of fans, but no cute merch or fan artists really), but fuck me im trying to get recognized this day and age on Twitter.
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>>10031177
You realize it takes time, right?
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>>10031177
Do you have Twitter friends? Like do you actively try to befriend other artists on Twitter without expecting anything or are you just treating Twitter as like "professional art only I never engage with anyone and I still expect them to RT my stuff"?

Like anon, how do you think people RT things on Twitter? People kind of have to be following you first to see and RT (tagging isn't super great on there). So if you have only like 20 followers, your reach is going to be super small. I made friends organically by complimenting other people on their art and sharing common interests and once I had artist mutuals, it was much much easier to get engagements and new followers on my art posts since it increased my reach.
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alright who's the idiot with the display that injured someone i need to know
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is this the artist?
https://www.instagram.com/keikiiart
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>>10031513
How the heck does someone get sent to the emergency room from a wire grid display falling? Was it filled with knives or something?
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>>10031530
It said in the replies there was a plastic sign on top the grids that also fell and cut the person across the forehead. Said person had to go to the ER to get stitches.
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>>10031522
it's dangerous to post that without proof
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>>10031690
NAYRT, but I can see how anon found out though. If you search the handle of the artist this happened to on AANI, you can find her posting about the incident in Aug at Matsuricon. If you go to the Matsuricon website, the AA map is still up so it narrows it down to one of two people: Keikiiart and Belli-buttons. And the Keikiiart person does have a photo matching the description of the display (grid cubes, sign overhead).
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There was some discussion about drawing tablets last thread but I wanted to ask specifically, what's the best non-Cintiq standing monitor tablet that people have used? I'm feeling ready to upgrade but would like to try and stay around $500 if possible, or at least below $1000.

A friend of mine has an Ugee and said it worked fine, but I've seen Huion mentioned too.
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>>10032208
I was thinking about that too, I still don't know if I should get an ipad + pen or cintiq.

Also please don't get a huion anon they really suck.
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>>10032241
DA, but I'm curious what's wrong with Huion? I got one of their basic no-button ones 6 years ago and it's still working alright with no critical issues. It does lack some Wacom-only features, but I can at least draw.
Has their quality degraded since then, or there's something wrong with the more expensive tiers?
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>>10032265
Curious too. I have a big screen tablet of theirs and it's worked like a charm, I actually prefer it over my cintiq and it was a fraction of the price.
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>>10032256
Going to the ER for something so... small? really? LMAO. seems like someone BAAAWWWWing for money.
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>>10032296
You're an idiot lmao
You can't assume injuries, especially head injuries, are minor just by looking at them because you have no idea what preexisting conditions the person may have or how much internal damage was done. They would've been stupid not to go to the ER.
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>>10032296
If it required stitches, I'm guessing the cut was pretty deep.
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>>10032296
Are you really this retarded? I've had a gash on my right inner arm about that same size and it required stitches. You can literally see the fat layer underneath skin bulging out when a cut goes deep enough, even as small as half inch, and even on thin skin areas.
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This is most likely a AA vent but when I was tabling at an art con a bunch of randos went around asking for free sketches in their journals. Literally every other artist had drawn in the book and I had to tell them no twice cause I was tabling and I’m not giving out free art.

How do you feel about this and how anons dealt with this?
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>>10032296
you either have to be keikiiart or a troll because i have trouble fathoming how anyone could be this dumb
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>>10032328
not that anon, but I've had far worse cuts and not gone to the ER. maybe that's what they are scoffing.
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>>10032296
>seems like someone BAAAWWWWing for money.
I agree. I can't see how a plastic sign can cause enough damage to send someone to the ER unless their skin is made out of tissue paper.

>>10032322
People ask for free stuff at about every con I go to. I just say no and forget about it.
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>>10032329
That just puts you firmly in the idiot corner too, anon.
There are many valid reasons not to seek medical care for an injury (like lack of insurance, lack of access to quality care, etc), but just thinking "oh it's not that big of a deal" isn't one of them and that's an extremely dangerous mentality.
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>>10032296
lol maybe secure your display next time
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>>10032322
Hm, I like it! Not exactly fond of random congoers asking, but I like the idea of sketchbooks containing sketches from various artists attending the con. It's very common for artists to trade sketchbooks at Comiket, and I wished it was a more common practice at North American cons.

>how anons dealt with this
Honestly, I would just scribble something regardless of who asked. It only takes a few minutes, I can draw whatever I want, and it fosters goodwill.
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>>10032268
Sorry to be that guy, but which model screen Huion do you have? I've heard increasingly good things about non-Wacom screen tablets over the years, but never to the point someone says they prefer it to a Cintiq.
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I've been going to this one con every year since 2014 and just made less money this year than I did my very first year....
They moved the tables this year, and it was in a much larger area with a huge amount of space between each row. Technically, that seems great since it means way more room for people to walk through the area, but it made me realize that the area people walk through is probably purposely made small as to force people to slow down and look at everyone's booth? Idk, i'm just trying to figure out why I made 1/3 less money this year than last :/
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>>10032371
Usually less cramped spaces make it easier for people to browse, since they're not 'forced out' by the flow of the crowd. Your decline in sales could be attributed to many reasons though, honestly. You can probably narrow down the reasons by comparing your gross profits to the other artists who tabled. Like are you updating your stock? Did you pick the right seasonal fandoms? Is the area the con is in going through a recession? Were the table placements shitty this year? Etc etc.
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wheres the anime boston artist alley application page? the website just redirects back to the page before it.
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>>10032394
I thought AB's reg opened on the 17th? Delayed due to 'personal emergency' or whatever.
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>>10032335
I could see one of those thick acrylic sandwich signs doing it, they are usually pretty heavy and have sharp edges. Kinda looks like what's sitting on the top of that display in the pic.
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>>10032256
>>10032296
While it looks small in the picture that's really no indication of whether it needed stitches or not (with how much head inuries bleed and how a facial injury may be prone to reopening, it's normal), and once it needed treatment then we all know the healthcare system can charge
insane prices.
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>>10032322
draw dickbutt
Or like, whatever else you can default to drawing in thirty seconds. I understand being annoyed, but also they probably weren't expecting anything like what you'd do for a commission, more the sort of little doodle people put next to signatures etc.
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>>10032369
I have a Huion KAMVAS GT-191! A lot of the reasons I'd prefer it over the cintiq are personal preference, such as I enjoy the surface texture of the Huion and love that the entire tablet is a screen without those buttons on the side- The cintiq I'm comparing it to is the 22HD, by the way. I feel like the Huion is sleeker and less bulky, and I like the placement of the plugs with the way my desk is set up. Also I love the Huion stand- The cintiq stand was really weird and uncomfortable to me, it was kind of just far enough off the desk to be inconvenient- My arms would always be in an uncomfortable position when trying to draw on it. Huion's basically touches the desk and matches me perfectly. As far as pressure response and pen accuracy, I have noticed no difference between the two.

There are downsides to the Huion, though. They didn't matter to me but they could to other people. If you don't like the sleek texture of the screen, there is no other option because the texture sheet that comes with it gives an oily effect to the screen. The tablet pen must be charged as well, this hasn't been an issue for me though since it comes with two pens so just have one plugged in and swap them out. It could pose an issue though if you break one. Also if you are a gamer and plan to use the Huion as a second screen, sometimes the touch software will make a click not register. It happens maybe once a day for me, and it's only been an issue once when I was playing a moba. You can prevent this by closing the touch software when you are planning to game, and whenever you're done just open it again from the start menu.

The Huion GT-191 (19.5 inches) is $500 and the cintiq 22HD is 1.7k (pulled from amazon's prices) - Do a lot of research on your own if you want to get Huion, but my personal experience and the experience of my friends who have also picked up a Huion have been great. I'm honestly really glad that there is a serious competitor to wacom now.
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>>10032322
This is actually a very common practice at comic cons. I can see why anime con-only artists might be confused about it though. I do them whenever people ask but I never spend more than like a minute or two on it and I never take requests, so they get whatever I decide to draw.

>>10032335
I've bled/broken skin from just running into the blunted corner of my wooden bed frame. I imagine a plastic sign holder with a sharp corner falling 4ft and hitting you in the head will definitely draw blood. Have you ever picked up one of those signs, anon? They're actually pretty hefty. And while normally you won't be able to cut anyone with it like you would with a knife, the force of it falling so far down would definitely do it.

>>10032296
Everyone else already mentioned that head injuries are serious so I won't reiterate that but like... have you considered the fact that the con staff might have told them to the ER? The con they were at seems pretty small, I don't know how equipped their first aid station was to handle a bleeding wound that apparently needed stitches. I know if I was staffing that con, I would have suggested the artist go to the ER too.
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>>10031194
NAYRT but this is what I have the most problems with on Twitter. If I comment to try to engage, they'll just like and not reply. If I try to engage with a comment, I have been told to "fuck off, I'm not going to reveal how I did xyz."
The like and no reply is what I get too often, I usually take it as a sign of "whatever ok" but most don't respond at all
Maybe it's just the artists I try to interact with, they range from 30 followers to 3k, rarely 30k (but I can understand those people get flooded and will likely not reply)
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>>10032737
what the heck are you commenting with that gets you that kind of reply
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>>10032744
"I really like how you did x, it's beautiful. Did you do the glowing hair strands by y? Anyway, I love your style! :)" just basic shit like that and it's true, I loved her style and I even bought some of her stuff before.
(I didn't include the actual text because I don't want to get outed here)
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>>10032753
I get people not responding to comments because I avoid it too (out of discomfort w/ strangers, not anything their fault) but responding like that is fuckin crazy. I think a lot of artists get such an overinflated sense of importance, mixed with stress that they end up acting weirdly intense and cunty. Like relax its just pictures
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>>10032783
Yes, I try never to ask other artists how they do a technique because some go really crazy about it (pic related) I'll try to be more careful with how I ask ask casual questions though, I try to be as inoffensive as possible
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>>10032801
I don't get people who act like that. Not sharing your techniques is absolutely completely fine, but why not just respond with "I'm too lazy/don't have time to make a tutorial because it's too much effort, sorry" or something? There are better ways to avoid answering questions than acting like a pretentious cunt about it.
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>>10032801
what a pretentious twat.
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>>10027554
I've only attended very small cons before which is why I asked, yes.
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>>10032208
I love my Huion way more than I ever loved my cintiq. Never ever going back to wacom.
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Meanwhile, i've been thinking about making a tutorial on how I make my crafts/props just to show people how hard it is to make, which I think would make people more willing to pay a higher price for what I sell.
I've also thought about selling tutorials, which is what that person could do. I don't understand pretentious response.
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>>10032894
It's from Bara chan, who has thousands of followers and could easily sell some classes on udemy or whatever instead of just making Gaia Online art. Even Sarah Anderson makes online classes for webcomics and sells tons of her class packages for simple black and white digital strips.
Now, I don't think anyone should be forced to give out the name of their manu or how they do a technique, but she could have just ignored the question or declined.
It's hard for me to separate artist from art, so I unfollowed her after
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>>10032801
to be fair that was really badly asked. "your work is generic and interchangable with other artist's crap from tumblr, but i guess you'll do. teach me without me saying please"
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>>10032911
I mean I sure wouldn't have bothered telling them either, especially with that kind of attitude, but there are better ways of declining than acting like a pompous prick.
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>>10032801

For sure the artist was being a dick here, but they possibly got this question frequently and this was just the point they snapped? A lot of people treat artists like sources that can be mined for techniques, and they aren't really subtle about it, so I kind of get it. Saying "Sorry no" politely over and over to people who are just trying to use you as a resource can get exhausting.
But maybe I'm projecting some personal feelings onto the situation.
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>>10033003
lol yeah it was absolutely because asker was a jackass about it. literally the next post over
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>>10033055
>>10032801
I think they replied as professional as they can, why are you so butthurt? You are not entitled to their time
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>>10033055
Yeah wow, first image smells like vendetta now, can't complain about an artist being rude and refusing to talk about their techniques/process when literally one post over they politely answer someone else about their techniques/process.
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>>10033063
That's not me, but an example of why I don't ask other artists their techniques or try to ask them how they do xyz.
>You are not entitled to their time
Of course not, I'm just trying to make conversation with artists about things, and I thought since we both like art, maybe it would be an icebreaker (that would lead to more than just a "like" or not replying at all)
But if artists have this kind of attitude and think other artists are just competition, I think I was wrong to try to befriend them or say anything nice to them jfc
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>>10033333
If you can't see the issue with the question in the first post then maybe there's a reason you're not getting polite replies. Also not everyone is looking for new friends online, maybe they have had bad experiences in the past, or maybe they prefer their IRL friends, so not every person is going to be interested in talking with you, regardless of their popularity or personality.
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>>10033333
Uh, you're not entitled to a conversation with strangers online... shocking, I know. Why do you just assume that a like is a bad thing? I like comments all the time to let the person know that I've seen their reply and use it as a way of acknowledging what they said. Artists have lives outside of the internet too, and they can't always respond to every reply. Or they might not feel comfortable enough going straight into friendly banter with someone they've never interacted with before. I know that when I'm busy I only generally respond to 1) people I've met IRL before (at cons or other settings) and 2) people who I have an online familiarity with/have been commenting on my stuff for a while now.

People not willing to expend emotional labor on a random online stranger is not the same thing as them thinking you're competition.
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>>10033348
NAYRT but is it fun ignoring context?
Thread started off with wondering how to improve reach on Twitter. Answer was to network and make friends with other artists. Anon wants to know why they keep getting cold responses...

Yeah people are not required to respond positively but friend making doesn't just spontaneously develop and finding common ground is a good way to begin the process.


Main Anon: The best luck I have had for making friends is joining in on contests and doing trades. It doesn't work with the big time artists but I'm able to interact more with up and coming artists.
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>>10033365
I'm well aware of the context. I even said that people who comment regularly are more likely to get a response than a one off comment. Acting like other artists are too scared to share their art tips because of "competition" when they don't respond is fucking stupid. Obviously friendship takes time to build which is exactly why you can't expect people to engage every single time when you're a stranger.

It seems like we're in agreement here so I don't even know what you have your panties in a twist about.
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>>10032801
I think a few years ago, I remember asking barachan about her crystal style at a con once and I made a remark like "wow I thought this was like a texture overlay or something, do you really do this by hand?"
and she replied with, "Yes, I do it by hand, it's really meticulous, but the result is worth the effort."

So I think the reason why she gave a standoffish remark is that it's a style she's cultivated through lots of time and effort to be signature to her style, but the asker is implying that everyone and their mother is doing this style and that it's easy to replicate so they decided to just ask her how to do it like it's a photoshop function or something.
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>>10032753>
I think the main problem here is that you're veiling a direct question about their methods with a silver lined compliment. Artists generally get turned off as soon as they feel like they're being buttered up to get something out of them. Like, "Oh I love your style, it's so pretty! Where do you get your [x merchandise] done?"
or "How did you do [x signature technique]?"

It might be an innocent question, but on the artists's end it just seems like a rando trying to extort them and once they give an answer, they'll be dropped like a rock. I think a lot of artists share this feeling so now they're more wary of engaging people they don't know who ask stuff from them. You might get more response if you just deliver the compliment instead.
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>>10033404
yeah, i can grasp the basic technique (little angular blocks in analogous colors and varying brightness to mimic light refraction) but im just wincing thinking about what a bitch and a half it must be
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>>10033084
>vendetta
But what's shown in the image is the literal opposite of vendetta (which would be if they had some preexisting grudge against the first asker.) The person asked like a twat and got a cold response, meanwhile the person who asked nicely got a nice response.
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>>10033404
Yeah. Hearing that a technique you sunk a crazy amount of work into is ~everywhere on tumblr these days~ and since ~everyone's doing it please just tell me how~ is possibly one of the worst ways to ask someone about their style, yeesh.
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>>10033442
I think they meant to imply the person posting the screenshot has the vendetta rather than the artist
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>>10033447
oh i think you're right lol nvm
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>>10032894
It really is quite different with crafts though, there's less competition and more variance in medium so you're less likely to have Crafters trying to steal your work

I'm also a crafter and I get a lot of people who ask how I make things who just are not interested in the answer at all once they realize how complicated it is.
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>>10027554
Dang 10 charms is weak? What’s good then? I thought my 15 of each was pretty good...
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>>10034852
Hmm,I personally think the person you're replying to is a bit of a dick since 10 charms each isn't bad if you're not doing this really intensely. I go pretty hard on AA, I have over 100 charm designs and sell 10~~~50 of each. Really varies, sometimes I'll only sell one of a design... And sometimes more, at AX i printed 50 of my popular ones and ran out of them by day 2.
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>>10034852
>>10034935
I have around 50 designs and I sell anywhere between 10-15 of each design. I also thought I was doing good lmao. My price point is a little high, but I don't really wanna lower it desu
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>>10033473
>>10034974
you guys are probably fine, don't fall for overly antagonistic bait. artists who say things like that are just trying to make everyone else feel bad probably because their lives are lacking in other areas.
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potentially stupid question, but is this pricing normal..? Am I missing something, or did I set it up wrong? I didn't expect the smaller prints to be more expensive to produce.. Also, do you guys typically do it the way I did (multiple print design in one job as 'pages') or do you do each design as a separate job?
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>>10034996
They're charging you for the extra effort of cutting 11x17 down to 11x14. Typically I print two 11x8.5 prints on the 11x17 and cut it myself because it's cheaper.

IIRC the amount is priced the same even if you did separate jobs because there's no minimum price breaks per page on catprint.
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>>10034996
I make them seperate, but I think the smaller size means extra labor which is why it's so high
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>>10034996
11x17" is a very standardised size, like 8.5x11".

Custom sizes are going to be more expensive.
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I've been tabling for around 2 years and this year at my recent cons I've had attendees come by saying that they have my stuff which is insanely amazing to hear. At the same time, I'm worried that I'm mainly recognizable by the meme I've drawn fanart of rather than my handle and other art since and I'm known as "'that' artist".

I met another artist that I haven't met in a while and they heard my handle and didn't recognize me, but the minute they saw my business card (which has the meme on it) they were like "nope I know you".

At this point, the meme is my brand and while I love it, the meme is getting old (as in attendees are growing out of it and it's already ~5-6 years old) and I'm afraid it's all people will know me for. I'm making other merch based on the meme, but should I try to put more focus on making new merch? Has anyone else experienced this?





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