Is Innocent World classic lolita or sweet lolita?
>>9593593Classic, although some of their dresses can be used in a sweet coord as well. Some IW stuff is even right for gothic, but it's still a classic brand.
What are the major Japanese auction sites and what Shopping Services do people usually use?>tfw been in Lolita for five years but still don't know how to buy from Japanese auctions
So, to order from Taobao, you hire a shopping service to buy a certain item for you? Is that right? It always seemed so daunting that I never tried.
>>9593687Yep, that's right. Unless you go through a taobao reseller which I don't recommend because they upcharge items. It seems daunting at first but it's actually pretty easy to do. Taobaonow is pretty easy imo, they go over how to use their cart on the site and it's hard to mess up. Plus their service fees are reasonable.
>>9593684y!ja, mercari, mbok. Many shopping services don't do mercari, the only one I can think of off the top of my head is Japonica Market. People also use FromJapan, Zen Market for y!ja.Personally I've found Japonica to be super easy to use.
>>9593687You can also buy through a forwarding service for many items. http://www.howtotao.com/buy-from-taobao/But a shopping service is a better option if you don't read/write in Chinese, because if there's an issue with the seller or the warehouse, you'll be in trouble.
>>9593702does japonica market have any hidden/surprise fees or is it really just 5%?
>>9593684>>9593702Fril is also a popular auction site. Smaller shopping services like chibitenshi or muuh can buy from mercari.
>>9593593Classic, with a sweet flair. (Not to be confused with AP's sweet with a classic flair)
>>9593684Same, I've been into Lolita since 2013 and I'm still a big baby about ~hard~ shopping. I'm usually too afraid I'll fuck something up royally and it will be a disaster. Still, I use y!j, because I can shop thru buyee and it's pretty straight forward.
Would this dress work for lolita?
>>9594482I'd imagine so, assuming it can fit a decently sized (though not huge) petticoat and coordinated well. It's cute! Is it ETC?
What are the lolita substyles?In my comm it's called a substyle whenever you wear a different style of lolita, but here I've noticed some people put it in the "theme" box. At first I thought it was just a different word for substyle and you can say you're wearing lolita with a gothic theme..Anyway, this is what I've got so far:Sweet lolitaGothic lolitaClassic lolitaPunk lolitaSteam lolitaPirate lolitaSailor lolitaAnd the rest are themes?
>>9595394I'd say that sailor can also be a theme because it can be sweet or classic in nature, you know? I've yet to see gothic sailor but I imagine that can also potentially exist.
>>9595394Personally I would say there are only 3 sub styles, and the others are just branches of them.
>>9595398But gothic, classic and sweet are branches of lolita? Then what are punk, steam, sailor and pirate a branch of?
>>9595394I think Sweet, Gothic, Classic and Punk are substyles (punk being a dead substyle now but used to be bigger than classic, you could argue it's a crossover style but so was gothic originally), the others are themes (e.g. country, sailor, pirate, hime - I'd argue that country and sailor are still themes even though I can't envision gothic country or sailor), crossover styles (e.g. deco-loli, steam lolita, original hime that's gyaru-inspired), or eras (e.g. oldschool) and descriptors (OTT, casual, ero) that can be applied to any style.There's no definitive answer though so there's not that much point getting bogged down in the semantics of it.
>>9595394Sweet, gothic, classic.Everything else is a variation upon a theme. Most lolitas fall into one, two or all three main styles. However, I've never seen or met anyone who is strictly a sailor lolita. But they may have a few coords.
>>9595428Thanks for all the answers but still don't get how punk, steam, sailor and pirate are a variation of a substyle
>>9595430I wouldn't say punk is... Punk arguably is a crossover style like >>9595415said (lolita combined with a different fashion), but back in the day it was big and a style in its own right. "Pirate" or "Steam" or Sailor" are just themes. You can have a gothic pirate coord, a sweet pirate coord, a classic pirate coord, even a punk pirate coord but there's no way to have just a "pirate coord." What would that even look like?
...how do you tie waist ties? Apparently I've been doing it wrong
>>9595445So the pirate stuff aatp would release is gothic pirate?
>>9595447There's this tutorial by Meta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pz2A70Dfrc Coincidentally it works great with Meta's irrationally long waist ties. You can find many other tutorials on youtube as well.Also, what I like to do if I'm in a rush is attach the ties so that they face the front of the dress while I'm wearing it, tie a bow, detach and reattach to the back of my dress, if that makes sense.
>>9594396Domestic shipping and a paypal fee.
>>9595448Or classic. If you take a pirate hat off the coord, what style is it? There's your answer
>>9595457thanks ur a life saver
>>9595415I really want to see gothic country. Wonder if it could be done with Moitie's floral dresses?
>>9595406Punk was a substyle but is now dead. Sailor can fall into anything depending on styling. Pirate and steam probably more gothic and classic. There aren't any hard separations for each coord much anymore since the rise of sweetclassic and gothicsweet. Sometimes people can't even tell Gothic from classic as you can see from the non black Gothic thread. You will see people bitch about a coord being sweet when it's Gothic, etc. A of things fall into a grey area these days.
>>9595573I wouldn't say punk lolita is dead lol since I wear it. It was also one of the few styles that got its own pages in Misako's book and h.naoto among others makes clothing especially for it.
>>9595394shiro and kuro tho
>>9595585Those aren't really substyles though, just monochrome outfits. Shiro/kuro can be sweet, classic, gothic, depending on the pieces and motifs you used they can be sailor too.
>>9595585>>9595591But they're usually used to refer specifically to sweet or relatively style-neutral oldschool in all-black or all-white, since the term originally came to prominence to distinguish all-black outfits that weren't gothic. Nowadays it's used for any monochrome outfit but oldschool is the first thing that will come mind for both people when you use the term.See here:https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/cgl/thread/8950449/#8971889There's another bit from the same site that I CBA looking up that says something like "gothlolis and kuro amalolis are very insistent they're different from each other when asked, but for everybody else it can be hard to tell"
>>9595640People only think of oldschool because our resources are old and young people are afraid to use the terms because they think using a Japanese word is cringe or cultural appropriation. Japanese lolitas still say it.
>>9595583I guess yeah it's not completely dead but somewhat niche and rare kind of like guro or ero? Old school, decora, cult party, is also kind of "dead" in a sense even though a handful of people still wear it.
>>9595749Oldschool is much less "dead" than punk, ero or guro, there are quite a few people who have mostly or entirely oldschool wardrobes and wear the style regularly, whereas even the few people who wear punk, ero or guro tend to only wear it very occasionally.From my experiences in the UK I'd estimate around 10% of the lolitas here own and wear at least some oldschool, even if it's not their main style. Whereas something like ero or punk would be maybe 2% having worn it ever.
is it really wrong to wear black stockings when the rest of the coord is fairy kei/menhera? i'm not comfortable enough to wear any other color than black with stockings/socks. or should I just not wear jfashion until my self-esteem is better?
>>9595790Yea, it looks really off. Try colors like dark blue, grey, purple or wine to ease yourself into it (and wear clothing that has accents with those colors of course)
>>9595790also if that's you, you have small legs so go for it
>>9595790>Cursed pictureMost of the time it looks awkward. Maybe try to match it with something else? Not like that girl in the CoF thread. Don't do that.
>>9593684Mbok and y!j. I use buyee, japonica market, and Zenmarket. Buyee is probably my favorite for small orders, I like the instant bidding
>>9595790It's fine >>9595793Misako wears black tights with sweet/pink dresses all the time
>>9595799Yeah but it's usually balanced? And even if it's not, it's hard to make that work. In OPs case it just looks like a cute coord on top and whatever tights weren't in the laundry on the bottom
I have a character that dresses in lolita, but I'm scared that she comes off as an ita or something. Could I post a picture of her for critique on her main outfit?
>>9595804Sorry for ant pic
>>9595804Are you one of those people it's better not to dress cute at all if it can't be 100% perfect?
>>9595805Please! I love OCs and would be glad to help
>>9595810No??? I wear solid black tights and the like all the time with non black items. But that shit looks off balance and weird if it's extremely light everywhere but the black tights . If the only dark you have is one item in the entire outfit it's harder to make it look anything other that awkward. Not impossible, but hard. There's a difference between not perfect and basic color balance issues. Just wear lighter tights unless you want to work 6x as hard to look okay. It's not rocket science
>>9595797>>9595817thanks anons for the honest opinions, most of the feedback I get from fb (I know, not the best place to ask in the first place) are answers like ''wear whatever you want it's just fashion.'' And they are right in a way, but I want to try my best to get good coords. >>9595793I'll try wearing darker colors first! and then slowly go a tad lighter. Until then I'll just put a hold on fairy kei for a while and wear more black-based menhera.
>>9595862You're welcome! It's not a nightmare issue, but it's worth slowly trying tights that fit with the coord better. Luckily tights are cheap and easy to come by. Glad to have new people in jfashion!! keep working at it, you'll be great
>>9595790It looks weird with fairy kei but often looks fine with menhera, since menhera has a lot of black accents.
>>9595812My art isn't the best so I apologize in advance! The last properly colored picture I did was years ago, haha, but a good chunk of what she's wearing is powder blue.
>>9595397>gothic sailorRouge Aerie's Nightmare Rising fits that descriptionsage for no contribute but I thought I might mention it
I've been admiring mori for a long time but am thinking of actually getting into the fashion and buying some for myself. How brand-focused is it? I know that for lolita, you really can't buy off-brand/normie clothes and try and make them fit the lolita fashion, so brand is really important. And I know there are mori brands, but is buying brand essential to pulling off the look? Or can you piece it together with normie and off-brand clothes if you find the right pieces? Sorry, this might have been better in the mori thread but I feel like it's a dumb question.
...can people in the US still order off of body line? I know their international site is down, but off of the main site I can still look at the products If not, how do you even use rakuten?
>>9596115I thought someone would bring that up since it's the most comonly-cited example but I don't really feel like it or most of the coords I've seen with it are gothic at all without the print. I don't feel like it's any more gothic than, say,Holy Lantern.
>>9596116Would be strange for a style that's so focused on looking natural to be brand-centered. I'll readily admit I'm not into mori so maybe I'm talking out of my ass but as long as your look fits the aesthetic, you should be fine. It's not like lolita where most non-brand places don't produce designs and quality that fall under the expected standards of the fashion, you know?
>>9595397> Gothic sailor You mean Pirate?
Are there men's style that don't look stupid?
Are the stars in her hair/wig just stickers?
>>9596246What looks stupid to you?
>>9596254Anachronisms and extravagance
>>9596251Could also be confetti. It can be held there long enough for a photoshoot with hairspray or gel.
>>9596116Your bigger issue that morigirl is pretty dead, a lot of the Japanese brands that catered to it slowly shifted over to normie fashion or closed completely. The only one left I know of is Favorite One on rakuten. So.... do whatever you want, I guess? Not like there's a lot of girls left to judge you, and not a lot of brands left to buy anyway.
>>9596118Either use an SS, or use Tenso. Rakuten jp accepts foreign CC, using Tenso is fine. Probably not worth the extra charges to get one measly $20 Bodyline dress, but if you must have that one pair of shoes, there you go. Or if you're already buying Japanese snacks off rakuten or a dress off Wunderwelt, you might as well throw in a $20 dress.
>>9596045I like it but I would make her bangs more straight
Can a petticoat be too poofy? I'm pretty new to lolita and the first petti I got was too flat, so I bought another one, and it looks really huge? Like, I feel like I look kinda ridiculous in it
>>9596461Yes, when the fabric of the dress/skirt is around it too tight the petticoat is too big
>>9596464I don't think it was too tight, it just looked strangely balancedI'm fairly short too
>>9596295>>9596116I would say Axes Femme produces a lot of mori friendly clothes as well, even if it's not a mori "brand." I'm not into mori myself, but I have friends who are. They thrift a lot of their wardrobe and it looks great--I know my one friend loves finding old Free People items the most. Mori is probably the easiest style to build with western stuff.
>>9596267Why are you here?
>>9596045You should make her legs slimmer or the rest of the body bigger, unless your character is thicc (jk) because it looks unbalanced.As for the coord, since you put crosses on the tights, maybe put some on the capelet? Or anywhere else really.>>9596116You CAN buy offbrand. Get out of cgl and you will find lots of efamous lolitas using offbrand and looking pretty darn good. Tumblr for example. You just have to think with lolita when you buy.>>9596484Kek
>>9596045Is that supposed to be a drop-waisted JSK or a skirt and blouse? The waistband is sitting a bit low, usually lolita skirts sit dead-on the natural waist at its narrowest point, and would maybe be slightly longer.
Not exactly a dumb question imo but I don't know where else to ask.Are there any Japanese dollar stores that have a webshop?
>>9596755Daiso! Though their online store only sells things in bulk (think 10 or 12-packs).
>>9596461It may deflate over time to just the perfect poof. My older petticoats tend to deflate after a few hours now and the skirt looks sad. I've started stacking and I used to feel ridiculous leaving the house cause I felt too poofy but by the time you start taking coord snaps, the poof looked just right.It could also be that you're not used to "proper" poof yet if you've had only small petti before.
>>9596769I see, thank you anon!>I used to feel ridiculous leaving the house cause I felt too poofyYeah that's basically my problem too hahaIs it looked down upon to have a little less poof? Not flat, but not super big
>>9596331>>9596554>>9596560Thank you so much everyone! I really appreciate it. I will definitely adjust her design. I didn't even realize that skirts were supposed to sit on the narrowest point, woops.
>>9596780It isn't. Everyone knows that pettis deflate over time, so as long as you have a little poof you're fine.
>>9596461What brand, I need this?
>>9594470Don't you mean Baby is sweet with a classic fair? AP is the sweetest brand, only a handful of classic pieces.
>>9595394Punk, steam, and pirate are goth/classic substyles or themes, sailor is a sweet/classic substyle or theme
How do you say MAXICIMAM ???Like, what language is it? What does it mean?
>>9597184the japanese writing is makishimamu so based of that I say maxi (like the dress) and mam (like woman)Idk where the name came from though
>>9597167I don't think it's fair to say punk is a substyle of gothic any more than you'd say punk is a substyle of goth...it sounds wrong since OG punk was around before goth and goth evolved from post-punk. I think you can either consider it a substyle in its own right or consider it a theme or crossover style, but it's silly to just lump it under the gothic umbrella when it's not how it was originally conceived. Nowadays the few punk looks you still see definitely are punky gothic, especially since h.NAOTO are the only brand still consistently releasing it, but 2000-2007 "punk" lolita was often closer to sweet than anything and the brands that released it tended to either also sell jpunk (Putumayo, MAM/MAXICIMAM, Sex Pot Revenge) or also sell sweet lolita (Metamorphose, MAXICIMAM, Baby, AP). A lot of gothic brands of the time like Moitie, Atelier Pierrot, Arachnophobia, Sheglit never touched punk at all. I guess a lot of Alice Auaa's stuff is punk-influenced but it's more punk goth than punk lolita, since they're mainly a goth brand that do/did some lolita stuff, not a gothic lolita brand.I honestly don't get this weird obsession people have with making things fit under the umbrella of the main substyles instead of letting them exist in their own right. I only started seeing it recently so it seems like a newb thing to me.
>>9596780Also, have the right poof for the right occasion. Going to a big fancy meet? Might want to stack a few prettis together. Going out to run errands or just looking cute on a normal day? Maybe a small petti even none.
>>9596470was your hair flat? big pettis look good with big curly hair and head accessories
>>9595790Is that you in the picture? If so, the floral/more classy dress (jumper?) looks extremely out of place with everything else. Funny thing is, the tights are what's bothering me the leastDress + tights with styled natural hair, a black hairband (which it looks like you have on) and fancy-looking shoes would look good. Remove the purse.Tights + wig + purse with a menhera tee and cute shorts/skirt would look good.It would be better if they were lacy yeah, but the tights aren't your issue hereMostly, the dress is one style, the wig and purse are another completely different one. And you have a cute body, hope your self esteem improves soon!
>>9597184It is pronounced the same as "maximum" in English.As for the spelling, this is just my own theory but here it goes.In Japanese it's makishimamu, like the other anon said.Makishimamu is the Engrish pronunciation of maximum.Now to get from makishimamu to maxicimam you just need to get a bit creative with spelling (Japanese people love doing that).Ma ki shi mamuMa xi ci mamThe letter C (when you want to say a b c for example) is pronounced shee (kind of like she with a long e sound) in Japanese, so the shi syllable got replaced with ci. K and X look sort of similar if you squint maybe? So the ki syllable got turned into xi.
>>9597295>K and X look sort of similar if you squint maybe?in english the letter x in the end of a syllable has a /ks/ sound, hence ki-shi. japanese can't into double consonant sounds (or any consonants not followed by a vowel) so ki-shi is the best they can do for kssage for phoneticsperging
>>9597303Yes, but you seem to assume that they had the name first and then decided on the pronunciation, whereas I'm thinking they decided on what they wanted to call it first and then wanted to spell it in an "exotic"/quirky way so in a way we're considering the matter from different ends. Of course, either could be right and we probably will never know.
>>9597194>I only started seeing it recently so it seems like a newb thing to me.Same, when I stated lolita, crossover styles were considered substyles. Outside cgl I haven't noticed this change though.
>>9597312Right, I was just explaining why ki-shi was an X. It doesn't really matter if they decided pronunciation or spelling first, it's an appropriate spelling for the sound/appropriate sound for the spelling.I wasn't correcting you, just adding to your explanation
What does it mean when a dress that has been released twice before (2014, 2015) has only been sold on lacemarket like, 3-4 times? Does it mean it was unpopular with the western crowd and isn't really in circulation here?
>>9595790I don't think it looks bad but it would look better if you'd have some black accents in the rest of your outfit as well.If you like black you could try menhara or creepy cute/bittersweet/pastel goth (whatever it's called, I don't see much difference)Other than that, there are also very opaque pastel stockings/leggings and your legs look good so you should really try to step out of your comfort zone. It would be a step in the direction of better self-esteem, anon.
Dumb newbie question: If you're a tall Lolita and your OTKs only just hit mid-knee, are they ok to wear, or should OTKs only be worn if they are truly over the knee?I just got some amazing socks, but I'm nearly 6ft, so not sure if I can get away with them or not...
>>9597394it can mean anything. Just because it was released twice doesn't mean hundreds were available for us to buy.
>>9597418I think it would look awkward, I would pull them down a little bit and make them UTK.
How much do people hate bittersweet?
>>9597431Cgl hates bittersweet 10.I don't think the average lolita hates bittersweet, as long as you don't act like it's a substyle.
>>9597418The real question is how much bare leg you're showing. With lolita, the more bare thigh you show, the more it looks like either the clothes don't fit, or you're playing dressup as a kinky sex prostitute. At least the fix is fairly easy, either lengthen the dress with an underskirt, or wear a pair of tights the same colour as your "otks" under your "otks". The actual socks being utks, otks or mid knees doesn't matter as much as how much thigh you're showing.
>>9597480That's objective, just becaus shorter socks aren't popular on CoF doesn't mean they make you look like a sex doll more than OTKs do. If anything, OTKs are more popular with prostitutes and porn.
>>9597484They mentioned they're tall, stands to reason a lot of dresses might be short on them as well.Maybe I should have typed the word BARE THIGHS in caps so people understand I'm not against crew socks or UTKs, it's just BARE THIGHS looks really wrong in lolita.
So how do you know when your blouse should be tucked/untucked? I have a really long one and it looks awful both ways. Halp.
>>9597063>>9597213Thanks for the tips! I feel like sometimes less poof looks a bit better (depends on the dress ofc) but I was a bit afraid of what other lolitas would thinkWere would you guys recommend getting petties from?
>>9597644If the hem sits around your natural waist or a bit above it and is decorated with a frill or two, it's meant to be worn untucked, and you should tuck in blouses with long hems. In what way does yours look bad?
>>9596182I've seen very few Gothic Sailor outfits, but the overall feeling is different from Pirate. But I see where you're coming from.
There was one circle lens site called 1969 or nineteen69 or something but I can't find it? Does anyone remember what is was called?
>>9597862I think I've seen sheglit and bpn pieces with a sailor color. But substyle is basically just the way a coord is styled or the concept, so there's no point of coming up with another box (theme)
>>9597763There's a lot of debate now about who makes the best petti, but lately Bunny House has the best rep. I've also heard that the ones from closetchild and wunderwelt aren't too bad, and I have the cupcake from fanplusfriend that is huge.
>>9597763MeLikesTea is where I've been buying mine lately, I prefer theirs to my older Classical Puppets ones.
>>9597763My favourite is The Black Ribbon, her pettis are really soft and comfortable and still very poofyMy last one before that was a classical puppets one and it kind of started to disintegrate at the seams and is prettt scratchy in comparison
im looking for good seifuku sellers, any reccomendations?
>>9597763The petticoat that I use most often is from victorian maiden
What kind of petticoat would one use for tiered dresses?
>>9598754This dress is weird af, anon. This particular dress has never looked right on me. It gets a weird bell shape even when using a light a-line petti.I own other tiered dresses and normally I will layer an a-line over a cupcake and that will give it a nice shape.This one is just weird af and never looks like the picture on me.
>>9598754I would wear a cupcake petti with this one
>>9598754I'm not sure about the dress in your picture because anon's right, the shape looks weird, but general 3-tiered dresses are very versatile with petti shape and I generally try on a couple and see which I prefer. Because they often have an almost circle skirt cut and are designed to fall in folds anyway, it doesn't matter if you wear a bell or A-line petti with a lot of them. I tend to go A-line as often as possible if it's a high-waisted dress because with a bell petti that kind of cut can make you look pregnant.
>>9597644blouses are really difficult to work with if not worn under a jsk. if you feel like it's really bulky or you feel like something is unbalanced, wear an elaborate corset (brands make some, don't go for any regular goth corsets) or a bustier on top of it to flatten everything a bit more
>>9599295>blouses are really difficult to work with if not worn under a jskYou're either really new - Not just to lolita but to fashion in general - Or not a lolita at all.
>>9599316I've worn lolita for 8 years, and I've always found blouse with skirt combos awkward looking because none ever fit my small frame properly
Ordered something off through FJ and the original listing changed to raise the price + the seller's other listings now forbid customers who don't speak Japanese. Should I contact FJ after the holiday to address the extra cost? More importantly, do I still try to buy it? It's not a huge price hike, the item is really rare, and I'm feeling spiteful.
>>9599316This is a common opinion, it doesn't mean people are new. I find that high-waisted skirts and corset skirts are easier but a lot of ordinary lolita skirts just look awkward. The blouse can look too plain or weird tucked in but a lot are too long to untuck. Some blouses designed to be worn under JSKs only really have details on the top part and look extremely plain with a skirt, but ones that have a low of detail going all the way down the skirt can look like the detail's been cut off at an awkward point when you tuck them in.If you check the archives for past threads we've had on skirt coords, most of the non-oldschool coords posted as successful examples either use cutsews instead of blouses or have a cardigan, vest or belt to disguise the awkward join and stop things looking so blocky.
>>9599324If the skirt and blouse fit, it shouldn't be a problem. Tuck it in, reach up as high as you can so it lightly untucks itself a bit and enjoy.
>>9598252>>9598268>>9598632>>9598680Thanks for your replies!Hadn't heard about any of those, only Classical Puppets and I've heard their quality isn't that good anymore
what does it mean when a dress has "switching" in the name? I saw a post of someone saying they finally found out what it was a while ago but was too embarrassed to ask. I looked it up but couldn't find a definition
Can anyone recommend a fast, reliable online Japan-based shopping service? I've attempted to use two this year, but both took more than 3 days to get around to ordering what I was after and by then the items had sold out.
>>9599617I've seen it used when two different fabrics are in the dress.
>>9599617I typically see it with bib dresses. But anywhere the fabric is switching from one type to another if that makes sense.
How do everyone find out what other lolitas have been up to, besides /cgl/?I keep seeing people talk about chinese lolitas like such and such dress, or japanese lolitas don't care about this and that, and to be honest I don't really know where else to look besides /cgl/. I left lolita before LJ died and now I don't know where else to go, besides CoF.
>>9599804>>9599838thanks gulls, it was that simple? I feel dumb now Well, I felt dumb before anyways, so...
What app has the heart lolita sticker?
>>9599748I've used Muuh (on Facebook) recently and she's been pretty quick. Chibitenshi and Mintkismet also have pretty fast turnarounds, but I think they are on holidays currently.
>>9599864It would be nice if you included a picture, but I'm assuming you're talking about the Kira Imai stickers on LINE.
obvious stupid question here, but I'm looking for a good petticoat for a cosplay and I was wondering if you guys had any suggestions. i want more of an A-line shape and not a bell/cupcake shape, if that helps at all.
>>9600078malco modes: has a lot of lengths and they are all a-line, very quality and can be bought on Amazon
>>9599840Instagram, lookbook.nu, wear.jp, tumblr (yes, I know), magazines like melt (japanese) or girlism (chinese) are usually where I get my coordinate inspo. There isn't much in the way of written content or conversations anywhere outside of here or facebook, which sucks. Rainedragon still runs a proper blog and it's fairly interesting.I'm hoping Insta culture dies soon and we can get real social media platforms that support conversation again
>>9599840They just make shit up when they make statements about other lolitas
What's the best way for me to start with a casual lolita style as a student with no income?
>>9600087thanks! I'll give them a try since I have Amazon prime
>>9600090Also Kera, Tokyo Fashion and other street snap sites.
Kinda unrelated but have any of you girls ever done a cosplay of Ciel Phantomhive?
>>9600112>asking about cosplay in a jfash threadFor what purpose
>>9600102The same way anyone starts on a budget? Saving up and watching out for good deals on the secondhand market.
>>9600102You need to be more specific about what you mean by "no income". Literally no income? No money? Or you have loans and grants and shit but no job? What sort of situation are we talking about here?
>>9599843Don't be so hard on yourself, it's okay to ask questions :)
>>9600142Where are good places to go? I'm a little afraid about the shipping cost cause I live in a trash country that nobody really cares about. I wish I could shop local for anything even remotely similar, but jfashion isn't a thing here as far as I can tell.>>9600146I'm still being supported by my family (which is the norm here) and I mostly just take commissions every now and again to help out when I can. Other than that, I have no job and no student loans.
>>9600157So exactly how much money do you have? $90 a month? $50 a month? $30 a month? $5 a month?Does your country have chains like H&M and F21? They often sell jfash-influenced normie clothes and your parents might buy them for you when you need new clothes if they're supporting you. Do they have second-hand shops where you can look for accessories and other interesting vintage things? Or is there nothing?
>>9600160After all my expenses, I have about $20 a month... I had some savings at some point but I've used them up hard recently cause of a cosplay and to help out some of my poorer classmates.I actually don't get bought clothes very often, most of my stuff is handed down. We have both H&M and F21 here though so I'll check it out!For vintage accessories, I'm not really sure where to go. When I think vintage, I think European vintage and we don't have much of that here either.
>>9600170Does it have to be actual vintage? Simple pearl accessories, cameos and rose hair clips are timeless and are fairly easy to find, just make sure they look good. They don't have to be expensive as long as they don't look cheap, if you know what I mean. Where do you live, if you don't mind me asking?
>>9600157I'm also from a trash country, if you say which one we'll be able to help out better. I also started out with zero income, but I had an allowance that I used to buy stuff. Do you have something like that?
why are ap miniskirt waist sizes so big. Normal skirts start around 63, but a lot of the mini skirt start at 72. no matter what i do pic related just hangs weird on me.
>>9600179I'm pretty sure they're meant to sit on your lower waist, a little towards your hips, rather than your natural waist.
>>9600170On this sort of income, it sounds like you should be able to get into more generic jfash styles like larme, but would struggle to get even one lolita outfit without saving for a year (after all, you have to buy petticoat, shoes, etc).Does your country have customs or a high chance of post being stolen? How easy is it to order online?
>>9599748I've never had Japonica Market take very long to go about ordering my items, have you tried their service? They usually get to it pretty quickly
>>9600184I thought that as well, but even in a lot of stock photos for skirts like this they have the item sitting on the natural waist.pic related has an even bigger waist than the last skirt i posted
>>9600243True but did you try wearing them lower anyway? Maybe they'll fit and look better worn like that.
>>9600179>>9600243What do these look like without petticoat?
>>9598754I have a 3 tiered petti that makes this exact shape, this would be the perfect dress for it, lmao. Malco Modes 582 - Jennifer.
>>9600245I have tried, I guess I just wanted a shorter look than it is supposed to have. I may have it taken in. thanks for the answer!>>9600246Idk about chocolate rosette, but promenade looks fine without a petti except the pleats at the back go all crazy, at the back, if you have to do the corset up tight.
Is it Classic or classical lolita? I'm using Alice Holic app now and I usually fin the tag "Classical" being used.
>>959790119ninety-six?I think that was it but the website seems down.
>>9600307Classical is used for both old school and classic lolita. Tbh people don't bother with correct labels as much anymore so it's kind of whatever.
>>9600307I think "Classical" is usually used in Japanese sources and like >>9600329 said it usually refers to oldschool. People do sometime use it to refer to Classic too but it's not as common in western comms, unless you're new and unfamiliar with terms.
>>9600307It's classic in the west because calling it classical lolita is kind of weird grammar in English. Sometimes Japanese sources use classic, often they use classical, but some also used "classical" or "traditional" to mean oldschool so it's a bit ambiguous. Tag it as both if you want, but in a conversation with Western lolitas calling it classical is kind of odd, like insisting on calling sweet ama-loli.
>>9600307>>9600329>>9600371>>9600393It's probably because they're both pronounced exactly the same in Japanese, since Japanese people can't into words that don't end in a vowel.I might be wrong here so anons who know more can correct me, but according to Google Translate both "classic" and "classical" are written as "クラシック", "kurashikku" in Japanese.
What would the search term be for dresses/skirts with a bottom like this? I keep trying asymmetrical but that doesn't bring too much up..I absolutely adore this style and want to find more, but the only brand I know that does it is Atelier Boz.
>>9600404Technically I would consider that a handkerchief hem, but I don't know if Japanese bramds use those terms. If you look for old BPN they do those hems, and Sheglit has carried on making them. Sometimes Moitie does it, but not nearly so exaggerated. Alice Auaa also does, but their stuff veers away from lolita a lot of the time, though it is beautiful stuff!
>>9600404IDK what the search term is but Black Peace Now, Moi-meme-Moitie and I think Surface Spell and Souffle Song have all done similar stuff. Batwing hem/ragged hem maybe but I don't think it's generally tagged on Japanese sites.
>>9600404If you're okay with indie brands, soufflé song has a few dress designs with this kind of hem. Hope that helps!
What makes a pair of shoes okay for lolita?Like, for example, would these work for gothic?
>>9600494I can see those working for punk lolita and maybe oldschool gothic lolita but they're not very elegant or feminine looking so you have to know what you're doing to pull them off.It's kind of difficult to explain what makes one pair of shoes better and more "lolita-friendly" than another but if we're talking about lace up boots for gothic then I'd go with something like pic related for example.
>>9600329>>9600371>>9600393>>9600400Thanks, everyone! I'll stick to Classic from now on.
>>9600503Yeah I can see that now that you explain itBut do you think boots like that could work for more sweet (not so classical looking) gothic? Like pic related I feel wouldn't look that good with the pair you posted (not sure if this dress even counts as gothic though, sorry if I'm wrong)I probably wouldn't pair it with a pair of boots, but just for the example, could the pair I posted work better with a dress like this?ps, it's not that I'm desperate for these shoes to work, I'm just asking to better understand what works and what doesn't
>>9600511This dress is definitely more sweet than gothic, and with this in mind I think the boots you posted may actually work. I do wonder what the rest of your coord is though, it might depend on that.
>>9600511those shoes would definitely not work with that dress. old school punk/goth yes, but sweet, no. maybe if it was a costume halloween coord though, but it'd be hard to pull them off. Love those shoes, though! i'd get 'em anyways even if you don't use them for lolita
>>9600511Is that Stitch?
>>9600494I disagree with >>9600503, >>9600515. Those boots would look great with more mature gothic (oldschool or no--I was just going through melt and it's very obvious platforms are making a comeback, especially in gothic), but they would look very out of place in >>9600511 since it's basically a sweet dress with halloween themes. >>9600503 would look even more odd, though. I would look for sweet shoes, and if you want something generic go for Mary Janes
>>9600171I'd actually love to go for accessories like that! I'll do some research and try to look for shops that sell those or anything similar for an okay price, and hopefully I won't end up just finding a bunch of trashy plastic ones that break after a week. I'm from the Philippines!>>9600172As I said above, I'm from the Philippines! Where did you live and how did you start out?>>9600189Yes, my country has customs and it actually makes it harder for me to buy stuff online since I have to pay another fee just to pick the item up. I've heard a few stories about post going missing, but I'm not sure how often that happens.When it comes to ordering online, it can be really tough for me. With the post office situation, I'd much rather have things delivered straight to my door, and the stores that do that are either local or cater to Southeast Asian customers regularly. Examples would be Zalora, Lazada, Sephora, etc. While the first two sell clothes, they're much too modern and trendy for my taste, and I have a good chance of being sent a low quality Chinese rip off a lot of the time.
>>9600515>>9600522>>9600535Thanks for the feedback! I guess it's also kind of opinion based, but at least I feel like I wasn't totally offI personally really like the look of chunky boots, so I might just get a pair and try them on with different coords and see how it looks!Thanks again!
>>9600566I own a similar pair of chunky Demonia boots and IMO they only look good with certain oldschool gothic coords or punkier coords, like other anons have said. It's OK for me since I wear oldschool, but even within oldschool they only work with a tiny minority of coords IMO, and if you look through old G&LBs you'll see those sort of boots are more used by punks and goth than lolitas, and the few lolita coords they were used with often would have looked better with other shoes IMO (pic related). I use them all the time in non-lolita outfits though and I love them.
>>9600563It's >>9600172 here, I'm from South America.Philippines is pretty close to Japan and China, so I thought importing was a much better option.I found this link about flea shops which look useful:>http://www.cosplay.com/showthread.php?t=172743Buying blouses, tights, shoes offbrand is a great option. And then you only have to import the main piece. Looking at the Philippine Lolita Page (they seem helpful with noobs) they have a "Local shops" album and also a local sales comm. It's a good starting place.
>>9600262You know these skirts are adjustable, right..?On the inside is a little elastic pull tab with multiple button holes to make the waist smaller.
>>9600246I own a handful of these skirts and I usually wear them without a petti and they look nice. I'll usually wear puffier bloomers though to give it a tiny bit of volume underneath.
>>9600694Unfortunately, all of those shops are in Manila, our capital. I live in another island...We have similar flea markets here, but they aren't as big and anything you buy there falls apart after a few uses.
>>9600404Check Wunderwelt for BPN and Atelier pierrot. They have a lot of skirts like this lately at decent prices
My closet is too crowded. I don't want to sell anythingWhat should I do?
>>9601085Get a bigger closet or a second closet in the hallway or wherever and separate winter and summer. Most lolitas just sell what they don't wear often.
Does anyone else have issues getting their bow tails even? I follow the videos online but the tails are always uneven.
I bought a offwhite x pink skirt and I'm having a hard time coording it properly. Suggestions? I guess I should wear it with a pink/lavender/offwhite top?
>>9600090>>9600111Thanks!I hope insta+facebook die asap too, can't stand social media nowadays. So focused on images and videos
Has anyone bought socks from sockdreams and in that case were they decent?
>>9601303I have, and am pretty satisfied with my purchases. Just be aware that although Sock Dreams has their own line, they also sell socks from other companies, like Leg Avenue.
What type of fabric are good quality lolita dresses made of ?I want to get started in in the fashion but im scared of geting something of poor quality and wasting money, also what is a good place to buy parasols? Thank you in advance!
>>9601268Depends on what it looks like but generally speaking yes, you can introduce another color like lavender or sax, just make sure to keep your coord balanced color-wise.
>>9601323You can't really narrow it down to fabric type because fabric types vary by quality greatly. Just buy from reputable sources and you should be fine.And, Lumiebre's parasols are amazing, very recommended.
>>9601323Good lolita dresses can be any number of fabrics, and unfortunately bad quality ones are often made of the same types of fabrics but at a lower quality.I personally like thick, old school cotton or a more modern chiffon. I have some lovely silk blend pieces but the wrinkle like a mother fucker...If you want to be safe, tru sticking with second hand brand for a while until you learn the ropes. It's often just as cheap and easy as taobao (or cheaper and easier), plus brand can come in more sizes than you expect. Lace Market, or even Closet Child or Wunderwelt (both Japanese) are good places to start.
>>9601332I'm actually >>9601335 and I've been eyeing Lumiebre! Have you tried their umbrellas? Are they worth it? Their designs are lovely.
>>9601338Yes! I own two and I love them, they're very sturdy and comfortable to use on top of being beautiful. Just make sure to check the rib lengths before you buy because some designs are smaller than others. "Long type" parasols/umbrellas are super wide and provide the most shade, while most of their fancier designs are "short type". Oh, and apparently the colors are darker than in the pics so take note of that too; the sax parasol I bought turned out to be some sort of antique shade of light blue, it's lovely and works well with my wardrobe but all the same, keep that in mind and read buyers' reviews if there are any.
>>9601332>>9601335>>9601338Thanks everyone for calming my paranoia of wasting money. Also i will surely check out Lumiebres parasols, thanks again.
Saw an anon mention it in the dream dress thread and I'm curious; what is 2taobao? Is it just an extension of taobao for secondhand stuff?
>>9601365From what I understand, yeah. many taobao shopping services won't buy from it though because aparently like 50% of the sellers flake
Does anyone have inspo pictures of tan/colored girls in cute coords? I don't have the porcelain white skin I wish I had and that discourages me a bit.
>>9602108xylia-x is the efamous lolita that springs to mind that's tan brown rather than white or black.There are a ton of tumblrs dedicated to PoC in lolita or jfash if you look it up, although I'm not sure if all of them are active.
>>9593684mbok, yahoo, fril, mercariI use japanshoppingserice or fromjapan (fj can't use mercari though)
>>9601338I bought one for a Halloween coord last year and they're great quality. Worth every penny.
>>9601268Try this: When you cross the two tails one over the other (before you tie them), make sure that one of them is longer than the other, and keep the longer tail on top of the short one when you go in to tie the bow. Kind of difficult to explain in words but I hope it makes some sense. IW's waist ties are often uneven lengths for this exact reason.
>>9602145Oops, somehow quoted the wrong anon. meant to respond to >>9601219
what substyle are most AatP dresses anyway? not to be neurotic, because I can intuitively coord them just fine. but what are they going for??
>>9602166Depends on what it is, their designs are varied like many other brands'. What you posted is gothic, but they've released classic and sweet pieces as well, and of course pirate is a common theme with them too.
>>9601303I love sock dreams for their thigh highs that actually sit thigh high on me. I'm not super tall and average weight, but taobao otks are usually utk or barely covering the knee on me (thanks, calves). No such problem with sock dreams. Their customer service people are pretty sweet too.Now I just wish they would release decent floral tights that fit.
What's the difference between tmall and taobao?
>>9602302Which ones did you buy, if you don't mind me asking?
could someone please help me ID this dress? Someone on fril says its bubblestokyo but 1. it doesn't look it and 2. I can't find any evidence of that.
>>9601323I'm being completely honest, figure out which style you like, stick with it, and just buy brand.
does anyone have the source on this? it was posted in the ita thread and the outfit is a mess but I thought this sweater was really cute.
Not sure where to ask this, but I wonder why I am having so much problem selling things on keimarket. It's supposed to be the best place to sell J-fashion clothes, but I've never sold anything there. Instead, I've sold maybe five or six items off of ebay without a problem. Well, I would rather sell off keimarket because the fees are lower, but I'm not sure why I'm having so much problems.
>>9602693reverse image searched it. seems like a taobao dress.
>>9602813How many views are your listings there getting compared to your eBay listings? I honestly just don't think that many people check keimarket.
>>9602808Kei market is pretty new so that might be the reason.
>>9602808That sweater can be found on Etsy. Unfortunately, the seller has stopped making this particular design. I wanted it myself when I was getting into pastel goth.
>>9602813I buy most secondhand jfashion from Facebook groups
>>9602693Reverse image search shows a few taobao results
So i was just wondering, what can you do with a jsk w/ ballerina tulle skirt? I was thinking about getting a skirt to wear over fthe tulle and using it as a second petti layer
>>9603053Why not just wear it the way you're supposed to?
>>9603024>>9602815did you guys actually find it on taobao? I got linked to taobao but i couldn't find an actual link to a dress
>>9603053If you are asking, you probably don't have the knowledge or skills to pull it off.
>>9603585where are you looking? there are like a million of them>https://world.taobao.com/item/555565000454.htm?fromSite=main&spm=a21m2.8232318.104.22.168e47277m7zbR5
Is this trustworthy? https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/v513627407https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/k267319734
Does anyone happen to know where this wig is originally from (or where to find something similar)?I found it on taobao and fell in love with it, but knowing taobao it probably isn't the same wig as in the stock photos, and I really want it to look as much as the pictures as possibleI tried google image search but didn't really find anything
>>9603629Are you asking if those are replicas? Doesn't seem like it to me, I think it's fine. Note that the auctions are set to end in five days and already have many bids, the starting price is low to intentionally set them up for bid wars.
Do you count aprons or tabliers as JSKs? How about if they are sheer? And same for overdresses, do you count them as OPs or do you have a separate category for them?
>>9603654Aprons are accessories, not JSKs. Some JSKs are apron-styled, like this one: https://lolibrary.org/items/iw-shoulder-frill-apron-styled-jsk And can be worn on top of an OP like an actual apron, but aprons themselves don't count as dresses.As for overdresses, depends on their design. If they're closed off and can be worn on their own they count as OPs, but if their skirt portion has an open back, side or front, meaning they have to be worn with an underskirt, then they're not quite one pieces.
Is wunderwelt reliable?
>>9603667Thanks! That's a good rule of thumb. For aprons vs. JSKs then, is it also a matter of how much the skirt portion covers? Like this one: https://lolibrary.org/items/excentrique-cafe-apron-jskIt's still a JSK since it has a full skirt, even with an apron-style back?
If I only want to buy a single item from SWIMMER Japan what would be the best shopping service to use?
What do you call this hairstyle? I'm also looking for a wig like this, so any suggestions would be cool.
>>9603723Ringlets curls. Maple sells a wig just like this.
>>9602498I've purchased the Extraordinary Thigh Highs in black, navy and pink, Solid Opaque Thigh Highs in white, Long Cuffable Scrunchable socks in black and white, Dream Bamboo OTKs, Crochet Lover OTKs in beige and red, and some others (more on that later)Crochet lover in beige are a favourite of mine for lolita, they sit right above the knee. The red ones though are completely different in terms of fit, they don't stretch nearly as long and barely go up to middle of my knee. They're still cute however. The bamboo ones aren't quite as long or stretchy, but they're very soft and the pattern is pretty.The Scrunchable socks can legit cover my entire leg up to my crotch lol (I'm 5'5" for reference). They look very nice both cuffed or scrunched up, but if you're looking for loose scrunchy socks for nanchatte the material is too stiff for that as it's 100% cotton and ribbed. The Extraordinaries are probably my favourite sock from them, they're soft, stay on very well (I sometime used sock glue nevertheless), and they hit me right mid-thigh. They come in longer versions as well. The solid opaques are nice too, and in fact they're probably what I'd recommend for cosplay if you want to avoid nylon stockings. They are indeed opaque as promised.I've also bought N40s before, but wearing the thick nylon socks really wasn't pleasant on my skin and one pair got a snag very easily. I recommend you stick with cotton or blends (or natural stuff like bamboo). I think I've also purchased vertical striped stockings and nylon thigh high stockings from there too, and there's not much to say about those, the fit is nice but they roll down very badly so you need either sock glue or garters to wear them.I hope that helps!
I found a centipede crawling on my dress a few months ago. Is it saft to think it left?
Is it ok to mix brand items?I have an AP dress but the accessories I'm finding that match are from btssb/aatp that have their logo blasted over it.
>>9603766No one give a fuck
Hi quick question. What kind of fabric is good for black eye holes? I'm doing a cosplay of hollow knight and it's a bug skull with black eye sockets
>>9602813I check keimarket, but I think I'm one of few. Plus, I can get way better prices on y!j so I've all but given up there. I can't justify spending $50-90 on a Liz Lisa dress when I can get it for $12.
Which shops offer suitable legwear for my heigth? I'm close to 170cm tall and looking for thigh highs or tights for gothic. I'd be interested in lace ended OTKs too.I got a few random ones from Taobao, but they were all too short on me.
>>9603802Wrong thread, friend. Check out the help thread, this question was answered there very recently.
>>9603765It probably died and is now stuck in the lining somewhere.
>>9603683Nayrt but if it's something you can't wear on its own without flashing your underwear/petti when you move around, I wouldn't call it a main piece/JSK. Maybe if the back was wrapped and doubled over, but not if it's hanging open like that.
>>9603683>>9604051Those are usually called apron skirts, it's a skirt. The panel on the chest is often detachable in those styles too, although not in this case. Seems like Excentrique might have it's own naming conventions different to other brands. The back isn't open and you just need a blouse to wear it so I can see why they called it a JSK
>>9603994I am over 1.73 and Moitie always had the best overknees
>>9603994Try Western stores, it's easy to buy plain thigh-highs. Meta's OTKs are also very tall and stretchy as are (surprisingly) some AP ones. I'd avoid Baby/AatP and IW.
What is up with the measurements on Closet Child? Looking to purchase a JSK off of there, but it says the bust measurement is max about 20 inches, that can't be right?
>>9604219They're flat measurements. Multiply by 2.
>>9604219The bust is a flat lay measurement, while the waist is for whatever reason a normal measurement - not sure why they're mixing the two.
>>9604051And over-dresses are.....?
>>9604231Just that, overdresses. Like underskirts, they're their own type of garment.
>>9604236That seems ridiculously anal. If it costs the same as a main piece, is worn in place of a main piece, and has the same impact as a main piece, I'm going to just call it a main piece.
>>9604246No one said it isn't a main piece but as was mentioned before, if it has to be worn with an underskirt, it's not really a one piece.
>>9604251>Nayrt but if it's something you can't wear on its own without flashing your underwear/petti when you move around, I wouldn't call it a main piece/JSK
>>9604252That comment was about aprons, I do disagree with it when applied to overdresses though because they are main pieces, just like skirts are main pieces but obviously can't be worn on their own.
>>9604254I was just replying to that post, which had weird logic. It's all cool.
What kind of sale is this??
Is there a site or some sort of catalog that logs every major brand release for lolita? I want to get into the style one day so I wanted to stalk past brand releases for my dream dresses
>>9604312That would be Lolibrary: https://lolibrary.org/ It used to be a lot more organized though, it's a bit of a chore to browse now especially if you don't know what you're looking for.
>>9604312Do you mean past releases or future releases? In general, lolibrary but they have been a shitshow lately and the site is far less searchable andnot updated (because it can't be?? I think?? Actually stupid questions wtf is happening with lolibrary)Otherwise watch brands you like, follow lolita bloggers or youtubers, check the general here, or read magazines like kera, girlism, melt etc that will advertise.
>>9604315Thank you! Just found it in the locked cgl thread oops.
>>9604316Past releases! I'm not really sure of any of the names of the dresses I have found and liked are so I wanted to find what I'm looking for + dresses I haven't seen before. I'll check out lolilibrary! I'll make sure to stalk the official brand sites for new releases.
>>9604302None.This banner is already up since september 2016. If you're interested in Bodyline sales, pay attention to the prices of their actual items.
I need help finding one really poofy bell-shaped petticoat for an upcoming convention. All I have is one cheap, scratchy petti and two deflated Leg Avenue ones. I dress super OTT, so I want to find one decent petti (I don't mind layering my other pettis with it).Victoriangirldress and Bunny House is dead from what I can see, and Classical Puppet's quality has dramatically decreased. Melikestea is out of my price range in terms of shipping, so my only options are either Wunderwelt's or Closetchild's. Is there any other place to look?
Hopefully this will be appropriate, but I'm looking to get into lolita, and I want to get my first coord off Taobao since I'll be making an order soon and I might as well add to the same cart.How do you guys personally sift through Taobao listings? Do you search for "lolita" and look through listings until you find something you want or are there certain brands and shops that you check on a regular basis for new prints?Also, do blouses work for JSKs and skirts? What should I look for when coording these articles or clothings besides colors? Or maybe I'll only get OPs because I'm terrible with aesthetics and then I can take the easy way out...
Want to buy the Tokyo Bopper Ballerinas, sick of wasting my money trying to figure out their fucking sizes. I wear an EU 37/JP 23.5/US 6-6.5. Can anyone give me first hand experience as to whether I should buy the 22 or the 22.5? My first try was the 23.5, which were comically large (I'd guess 1-1.5 sizes too big).
>>9604706It's easier to start with a printless OP
>>9604700Get Wunderwelt's, it seems to be really good. CC is A-line.
How does everyone wash their lolita items? Dry cleaning usually? Can you handwash dresses usually?
>>9604727I handwash and machine wash
>>9604706I would lurk a bit more before shopping for lolita. read fyeahlolita and the lolita guidebook for a good primer before you dive in. once you get a good base, check out the taobao thread for store recommendations (although I personally recommend 2nd hand brand before tao abo when you are new)
>>9604727Most solids can be hand washed and some are safe to machine wash too, there are translation charts online for the Japanese laundry tags. Take off waist ties or any pins or accessories that can catch on the dress or leave rust marks. Be careful with washing prints because the colours can bleed out (especially reds). You can use colour catcher sheets to protect against bleeding but always test on a small inconspicuous area before washing the whole garment.
>>9604706I have a list of trusted shops that I used to regularly check (before I got into oldschool and started focusing my funds on second-hand brand), and I check Lolita Updates and Chinese Lolita Updates on Facebook for information on new releases.>>9604727It completely depends on the dress. My washing machine has a handwash setting (basically soaks and rinses, tumbles gently a few times to agitate) that I use for some dresses, I actually handwash some legwear, and I ordinary machine wash a lot of other stuff as long as it's not too hot. I always separate by colour and I drip dry/line dry instead of using a dryer.
>>9604706>sift through taobao storesI generally watch for updates through lolitaupdates on facebook, but that's more for getting in early on preorders so I can chose exactly which cut I want and which accessories. The wait time can be several months, so if you do go looking at preorders keep in mind it's going to take a few months to complete and you won't have much control over when.If you want to see what's readily available in one place, what you can do is go to a taobao reseller shop like my-lolita-dress, lolitawardrobe or clobba and look through their store. Then find out the brand name and google [name] + taobao and see if you can locate the shop. Do note that all of these resellers sometimes have their own seperate stock, so sometimes you can find the store but the dress you were eyeing is not on there, meaning the reseller has their own stock but the taobao store itself might be out of stock.>blousesFor a blouse to work over a skirt, you want something that is fairly opaque, short and has a finished hem that you can show over the skirt. You can pop a camisole under a sheer chiffon blouse if it comes to that, but I find these sometimes shift around or don't look quite right, depending on the blouse.You want something that is long enough to hit your waist, but short enough not to go over your hips, because then it'd end up squishing your skirt. If it's not finished with a nice ruffle at the bottom you can tuck the blouse into the skirt, but if you end up with one of Meta's lucky pack skirts that are fully shirred, the only way to wear that decently is to have a nice blouse that you leave untucked so the frilly blouse bottom can cover the skirt waistband.>Op vs jskAn OP is pretty limiting in terms being a single-look outfit. I'd advise them as the lazy way out if you have the space and money for more than one. If you're limited in terms of money and space I'd say get a nice solid-colour jsk instead so you can change it up a few times.
>>9604727Before all else, read the care symbols and try to follow them. They'll rarely lead you wrong.Dryclean these, do NOT wash in water: - velvet - flockingThe hairs are held on by glue, and water washing apparently damages the glue. You can check the wash label to be sure.These things should NOT be drycleaned: - screenprintsThe chemicals in drycleaning aparently dissolves the solvent used in screenprinting and damages them.Other general tips: - seperate your lights and darks and use a colour catcher - Never use hot water (unless you're washing a batch of white cotton blouses/bloomers/inners -- only exception) - use a laundry net - do up all the zippers and hooks to prevent them from catching on delicate lace - Headbows with metal headbands in them need to be unstitched, the fabric can be washed in the usual way, and then the metal headband is re-inserted once everything is dry. Don't go throwing headbands into your washing machine, sometimes the really old pieces are rusted inside and water washing allows all the rust to come out and stain other things.I actually prefer putting my lolita into nets and using the delicate cycle on the machine, the spin cycle results in a dress that's less wet, dye bleeding is usually a bigger issue with handwash since the wetness allows the dyes to creep out and move around more easily while machine washing with a colour catcher usually means all the moveable dye is soaked by the dye catcher and whatever is left is too dry to migrate very far. Also less chance of water weighing down the dress and distorting it while it's wet.Also, - if you have old school with cotton lace on it (not eyelet, venise or tulle -- the kind that looks like it was crocheted or tatted except it wasn't) -- while they're wet, straighten out the lace by giving them a gentle tug. Otherwise it shrivels up into little tissue paper clumps and you'll have to steam like crazy to get them straightened out again.
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>>9605073Thank you so much for the advice! I think I may go the blouse + JSK route for future coords then! Also, what would make you nitpick a blouse + JSK outside color mismatches? I know that it's generally frowned upon to mix white + off white, but are there any styles of blouses + styles of JSKs that just don't work together?
>>9605118Well, the obvious glaring one is office blouses and loliables, always a ton of glaring things off about them.The other is peter pan collars. The larger the peter pan collar, the more ott sweet it is, don't use them in other substyles unless you're intentionally going for a mixed style. Similarly, fold down collars with pointy ends only for aristo and gothic. They're too masculine even for a good deal of classic.That's about all I can think of. If you're really worried you might post your intended first coord to the coord help thread and see what they say.