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Old thread hit image cap and is almost at bump limit >>9460968

This thread is for ouji and aristocrat (aka "boystyle") discussion. "Boystyle" is shorthand for "boystyle lolita" and refers to the masculine counterparts of lolita and, often, aristocrat fashions. There is a lot of overlap between these styles, and different people use different terms to describe them. So, consider this a thread for those whose style is on the right half of Buttcape's Lolita Family Triangle: http://www.kawacura.com/moripress/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/0dmmLH6-350x350.jpg

>Shopping spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j7sg2_7CvXUeIgZGGSLvJ9lUUuSVXhW8FlWWFwiv1Yk/edit?usp=docslist_api

>Buttcape-sensei's shopping guide (mentions which brands/shops have men's or custom sizes):
https://drive.google.com/open?id=12fA-VA2PkRctKPlYFsT3GnIba-Ytdt-RArDfLw0Bba4

>Blogs for current boystyle releases, news, and info
palaceofprincesupdates.tumblr.com
ouji-armoire.tumblr.com
buttcape[.]blogspot[.]com

Google your questions before asking them here.

Read the whole thread before asking questions here.

OC and selfposts encouraged! Random picspam discouraged; we've seen most of it by now.

Discussion: Halloween approaches, are you ready?
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(stuff from the end of last thread.)

AatP's new cafe themed release: >>9591668

KERA continues to celebrate ouji on its online platform. street snap dump begins: >>9587858

>>9595905 asked for essential wardrobe items for capsule wardrobe. advice. inspo dump begins: >>9597005

>>9597384 asked for short hair inspo. dump begins: >>9600668
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I was able to snag a Peace Now cape on Closetchild, so I'm looking forward to it coming in the mail. But it feels like I collect more random things instead of purchasing full sets to make a fully coordinated outfit.
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>>9602566
I do this and it's kind of a problem.
I'm trying to save up and do one big closet child haul that'll fill some gaps in my wardrobe. There's actually a bunch of algonquins blouses on there that I'm feeling right now.
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>>9602566
I fucking love capes.
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>>9602566
same. i have too many blouses, not enough vests, and only one decent pair of shoes. not enough headwear either. but blouses, longsleeved blouses, yeah i got em all senpai
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Ok let's do a survey.
How many of each items make up your wardrobe?

>hats
>neckwear
>blouses
>waistcoats
>coats/jackets
>shorts
>long pants
>salo/OP
>legwear
>shoes
>other(if you want to specify)

>how often do you wear ouji?
>what do you think you need more of?
>what colors dominate your wardrobe?
>what brand do you own the most of?

and feel free to add more.
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>>9603896
>>hats
i don't know but i wish Mr. Yan had not ruined cloth top hats for the Western community.

pic related is from KERA's latest "pair" coords and i like the weird hat. it must be lighter than a normal top hat. and easier to customize.
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>>9603896
>hats
One, but it didn't match what I bought it for.
>blouses
Three
>shorts
Three
>long pants
None
>legwear
Some offbrand tights and socks
>shoes
Two pairs
>other(if you want to specify)
I have one of AatP's vest/shorts sets.

I'm slowly building up, I wish I could wear long pants but I'm a womanlet. I was eyeing all the AatP wide pants on lacemarket but the length seems too long for shorties unless they're altered.
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Could I get some Halloween ouji inspo?
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the new AatP coat looks baller. 2 sizes, 3 different plausibly-military colorways, and detachable capelet. i just need to find the ¥¥¥¥ for it
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>>9608059
never mind i thought it came in ,khaki", black, and blue, but only khaki and black are listed. is pic related not blue?
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>>9607706
do you have a substyle or thematic preference? here's a youthful vampire
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>>9608066
and another Halloween ouji coord from KERA but fuck if i can figure out what differentiates it from a regular coord, since they put the spooky accessories at the bottom and not on the damn model.

the h. Naoto hat shown reminds me that spider web gauze (not the cottony stuff, nor the tulle(?) on this particular hat) is available where most Halloween stuff is sold, and it makes a really cool temporary addition to a hat.
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>>9603896

>hats
3
>neckwear
I don't own any that didn't come with a blouse so ???
>blouses
4
>waistcoats
2
>coats/jackets
4
>shorts
6
>long pants
None specifically for ouji
>salo/OP
I wish
>leg wear
A shamefully high number for the size of my wardrobe
>shoes
Only 2 that I usually wear
>other(if you want to specify)
I have a crap ton of off brand that weaves its way into my outfits.

>how often do you wear ouji?
At least once a month, trying for more often, but work dress code makes it hard.
>what do you think you need more of?
I would like more blouses and waistcoats. Most of the blouses I have are hard to work with my other clothes, so I end up using the same two all the time.
>what colors dominate your wardrobe?
Well, black. I have more but once again with a small wardrobe it's hard to work other colors in.
>what brand do you own the most of?
Baby/AATP for sure, mainly because I'm close to a store.
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>>9608062

Screen difference, maybe. Looks black on my screen.
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>>9603896
>hats
6
>neckwear
5
>blouses
Maybe around 20? I wear lolita as well so a lot of them double up for my boystyle wardrobe
>waistcoats
0
>coats/jackets
5
>shorts
1
>long pants
0
>salo/OP
2
>legwear
Literally don't know- maybe 30 odd? See above for blouses
>shoes
4
>other(if you want to specify)

>how often do you wear ouji?
Once every few months
>what do you think you need more of?
Salos and shorts
>what colors dominate your wardrobe?
Black and red, bits of blue in there
>what brand do you own the most of?
Boz

Well this has been useful, I definitely need a few waistcoats and shorts.
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>>9603896
>hats
3
>neckwear
A lot
>blouses
15
>waistcoats
8
>coats/jackets
5
>shorts
2
>long pants
A couple of black normie dress pants
>salo/OP
no
>legwear
A lot
>shoes
8 pairs
>how often do you wear ouji?
I wear boystyle a couple of times a week
>what do you think you need more of?
Everything
>what colors dominate your wardrobe?
Black and navy
>what brand do you own the most of?
Moitié
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>>9608304
3 shorts, remembered I actually own AatP
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WA OUJI DOESN'T EXI--
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>>9608066
Not that anon, but I'd love to see some vampire aristocrat inspo.
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>>9603896
I've only been wearing ouji for 9 months, but I think I've acquired a decent amount in that time.
>hats
4
>neckwear
6-7
>blouses
4
>waistcoats
3
>coats/jackets
5
>shorts
3
>long pants
1
>legwear
2
>shoes
2
>other(if you want to specify)
AATP bag
>how often do you wear ouji?
Once a month at least
>what do you think you need more of?
Different colored jackets
>what colors dominate your wardrobe?
Black and Gold unfortunately (being a American male not a whole lot of brand fits me)
>what brand do you own the most of?
AATP
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>>9609065
visual kei makeup and styling will be your friend for any vampiric aristocrat look. no props necessary.
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>>9610216
or else faded, greyish makeup

the round sunglasses have a Dracula connotation thanks to Gary Oldman, and the raggedy blouse beneath the more normal suit jacket also lends a vampiric "this has been my favorite blouse for 200 years" feeling
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>>9610219
those are gloves, not a blouse, i was thinking of a different @gothmura coord, sorry
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I have an obsession eith buying long waistcoats/gilets, anyone have any cool inspo for that?
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>>9610219
also, every single Manasama Moitie aristo pic is vampiric, so rather than cheat and spam Moitie ads, here is a good use of that exact aesthetic

>>9610226
i love long gilets! i can work some onto this vampire aristocrat inspo dump, but are you more into a less gothic look?
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>>9610228
a cape will also add a vampiric touch
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>>9610230
sharp nails, popped collar
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>>9610235
as far as props go, roses are great
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>>9610228
Not that anon, but I'm also a huge fan of long gilets. I just purchased a new one last night, so I'd love to see some less gothic looks as well.
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>>9610792
here you go
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>>9611629
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>>9611631
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>>9611636
is far right modified AP? it has that JSK look
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>>9611644
or OP, now that i see the sleeves seem attached.
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>>9611646
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>>9611650
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>>9611652
this one is adorably posed
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>>9611667
you can sweeten a coord with oversized items, or with cartoon-like accessories.
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>>9611673
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>>9611676
Meta has a few JSKs that can function as LGs (LJs?)
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>>9611683
more meta
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>>9610352
fell through a rabbit hole on Japanese twitter, here are a couple more vampire coords that may fit the aesthetic
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>>9612060
that fucking face cracks me up

if Babadook and No.96 had a child...
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>tfw ywn be as kakkoii as Grandpa Boz
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>>9612061
Who is this? Reverse image search gave me nothing
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can anything be done about a long torso?

can i jenga a piece of my spine out so that vests aren't too short?

only the highest-waisted pants seem to cover the gap but those are almost always cut for women and are kind of wasted hidden under a vest or jacket
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are there any brands or taobao shops that sell full ouji coords as sets? I'm looking for something like that to get my ouji wardrobe started.
If anyone could offer some links or list brands to watch for that sort of thing, I'd really appreciate it.
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>>9612155
a rando found via Atelier Boz Twitter tag, i think. sorry

>>9615259
cummerbund or untucked blouse may help
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>>9615451
i think most stores that sell ouji sell full sets. maybe not as a "one click purchase," but they usually link each item to the others in the set, right?
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Dangerous Nude's take on ouji is unique
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>>9617953
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>>9617955
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>>9617962
the people and models who use DN in ouji coords also tend to pair the DN pants with a corset.
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>>9617964
sometimes their shop staff does post coords that are less extra, like pic relared which DN's official Twitter shared.

i do not often see the brand discussed in the West but they specifically market themselves to different fashion styles, including ouji, so i wanted to spread a little awareness of this underrated brand.
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>>9617968
oh yeah, then there was this which was a lucky pack set
>>9615451
maybe consider keeping an eye on lucky packs this year
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>>9617973
dolly kei style accessorizing is also a trend, despite most of these coords being from the last 12 months or so
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>>9617977
GLB snap featured on DN's Facebook page
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>>9617983
one more because this shit is fucking bonkers

the elements of an ouji coord are all present but the colors are whack
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>>9617991
Thanks for the spam anon, I'd forgotten about dangerous nude!
I really like the mish mash of patterns and colors. It's probably not talked about more in the western community because many are clinging to matching only 2-3 colors perfectly (thinking of lolitas specifically here).
These outfits make me think of edgy mad hatter interpretations, but in a good way.
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>>9618022
i agree

i think the "pierrot" aesthetic is more alive in Japan's gothic scene than in its lolita scene. even AatP's jester themed releases have been quite clean and wholesome rather than complex. i would be interested to hear a Japanese person's take on this.
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What does /cgl/ think of this coat and the look in general? Trying to diversify my wardrobe to include some japanese fashion
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>>9621263
not relevant to ouji fashion desu
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>>9621263
while ouji can look more conventional and masculine, it is a pretty specific type of jfashion and isn't inclusive of all male jfashion, you're asking about techwear in a goth thread, just because they're black doesn't mean they're the same thing.

to answer your question though you have to be careful with those jackets if they're from cheap sellers, the asymmetrical look rarely works out in person
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>>9621319
I need this.
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>>9621327
The brand is Atelier Boz
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>>9621319
more masculine boz
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>>9621319
Kounto Durakyura
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>>9621331
Thank you anon.
I have a broad build, and don't like most of the boystyle things. but this one looks amazing.
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I'm not sure how this will be received but we don't have much else to talk about.

Here's some Jean Paul Gaultier couture for inspo. Might not be jfashion but if you see Alice auaa and JPG stuff on closetchild or wherever and are as confused as I am as to how it's supposed to be worn, here is some inspo.

I wouldn't call what they're wearing ouji exactly, but I think there's a lot more room for experimenting and these are pretty visually interesting. Pop on a jabot or whatever and you're in business.
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>>9622406
I think it might also be motivating for tall masculine men who are interested in the style.

Probably better aristocrat inspo? Eh, ouji vs aristocrat is tough sometimes. I usually say all black + pants = aristo but these also have some pops of colour and use AatP style vests where aristo uses long jackets. The effeminate and youthful ouji styles are very distinct, obviously, but the lines can get very blurry.
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>>9622410
A lot of these would really benefit from a jabot, I think.
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>>9622411
This model really pulls it off, the mad hatter hair looks good.

I don't think I've ever seen a long umbrella used as an accessory - obviously not the best on a sunny day but otherwise more practical than a cane, I think.
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>>9622413
This is a bit less relevant, maybe put on a jabot. I can't tell if the hat looks good and the outfit is really cohesive, or if it's just the model being hot that makes it seem ok. It's interesting to see these textures and colours used.
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>>9622418
An interesting hat concept, on a guy that.. looks like a lolita boyfriend that would never try on jfashion. Crazy shoulder cape thing aside, I think he looks pretty good. Send your dude to Boz or Shrine of Hollywood and give him some makeup, he can keep the beard.
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>>9622420
More cage-hat. The model is wearing a dress, so no full outfit shot.

I think it would look cool in a goth ero coord with cage skirt, or on an ouji paired with an ero lolita, otherwise I'm not sure if it would fit into any coords.
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>>9622421
The idea that ouji has to look a certain way and meet certain requirements is silly. More experimental stuff like Dangerous Nude has been putting out above, is a step in the right direction, I think. The progress lolita has made, looking back to oldschool, is leaps and bounds ahead of ouji. That's largely due to popularity, of course.


i've seen an alice auaa lookalike of this top on closetchild before
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>>9622424
Last pic, some shoes by John Fluevog called Lestat, very vampirey obviously. White version called Martel is on sale for 140 CAD on their website, considered buying them but pointed toes look bad on me.

I've been interested in incorporating higher quality pieces to my coords, sorry if the spam is too unrelated.
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>>9622424
Most of this isn't even close to ouji at all or even aristocrat. Some of the elements, like the cage top hat, if you accessorized it a bit more could work. More interesting fabric choices too, but these cuts are just no to me.

Dangerous Nude isn't even a ouji brand, nor is Alice Auaa. They're just straight up goth/punky eccentric jfashion. A lot of their pieces could be worked into a coord but it's more difficult than just using pieces from a proper ouji brand. Ouji is changing but the Chinese are pushing it in a bad direction with taobao releases I personally feel. So many same-y cutesy cuts with super short shorts and short vests. You can see that same push with loltia fashion, and a lot of people don't like the direction it's going, hence why old school lolita is becoming more popular again.

>>9622428
The shoes are nice though. I'd buy them.
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Are there any kinds of glasses that are acceptable in ouji? I'm going to a tea party and I want to actually see the fashion show.
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>>9622467
If your eyes aren't that bad and can get glasses for cheap, for my opinion almost all thin framed ones fit ouji. For example those round "Harry Potter"-glasses. Avoid thick ones since they look really heavy and unfitful.

If your eyes are really bad, get ones that fit your face and normie clothes. Throwing hundreds for glasses you don't like is just a waste.
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>>9622424
>The idea that ouji has to look a certain way and meet certain requirements is silly.
So I can just wear a pair of jeans and sneakers with a Pokémon shirt and call it boystyle? Thanks anon you just made my alternative fashion shopping so much easier and cheaper!
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>>9622467
Take a look at buttcape and sorgevinter, they both wear functional glasses
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>>9622481
>So I can just wear a pair of jeans and sneakers with a Pokémon shirt and call it boystyle? Thanks anon you just made my alternative fashion shopping so much easier and cheaper!
Walking through the high grass in harajuku
A wild Misako appears.
Mana I choose you. And he/she kicks the ever loving crap out of Misako.
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>>9622586
>he/she
>not knowing Mana is a crossdressing man
Shameful
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>>9622453
There are no ouji brands, to be fair. Who, AatP? Their main demographic and focus is still lolita. Given that all most people know is Boz and AatP, we get stale coords using the same rolands and fjords, captain hollows and rose of versailles and samey-cut vests from years of aatp releases. At some point we stopped doing image dumps in these threads because everyone has already seen everything.

Taobao is a bit too kuroshitsuji-inspired these days, but at least they're doing something. AatP has been pretty stagnant for years, and hasn't released anything of the same quality as the above-mentioned jackets ever since.

>>9622481
You know what I mean. If oldschool lolita made rigid rules to follow and stuck to them we'd have a very dead fashion right now.

Obviously what I posted isn't ouji, but looking at different fashions and taking inspiration is important if anyone is going to make innovative coords with their own taste and style. You look at bakasoseji, agentlemandoesnotconga, and aeryn. They all coord in very different ways, but bakasoseji was always using the most unusual pieces and accessories. To me, at least, he was inspiring. In more recent memory ouji couple that post on CoF sometimes have been designing their own, very unique pieces. It's refreshing to see after so much of the same.
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>>9622589
>crossdressing man
Did you just assume their gender?
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>>9622467
Kinds of glasses that are acceptable? Seriously, being able to see properly trumps fashion every day. If you feel your glasses don't match your outfit, don't wear them for photographs. The only style of glasses I have seen get ridiculed in lolita are thick black chunky hipster frames. Ive personally not seen styles of glasses get bashed im ouji. If you're that worried, and are getting new glasses anyway so want to get some that got in with the ouji aesthetic, you're best looking for a style that suits you and look smart. Get some that work well with your wardrobe's colours as well as suiting you. It's worth investing in a good pair, look round for frames that feel and look right on you, and don't scrimp either on the lenses. Your eyes are important, look after them, go to a good opometrist, and discuss options on styles that suit you, and if need be, mention the fashion aspect for what you're looking for. Don't feel pressured to wear contact lenses if you can't wear them, not everyone can. Just like not all styles of glasses suit everyone.
I'm a fan of thin metal supra half rim frames as I have delicate facial features. I wear them when needing to see but take them off for photos even though they're smart.
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>>9622479
The trend for the thin metal round frames is ridiculous. Most of the people I have encountered wearing these in ouji and lolita don't need to wear glasses, so you might be asked if you actually need them. Also, they don't suit everyone. Some people do look good in them, but some people need a small, rectangular frame. Some people look better in rimless or half rim frames. Don't skimp, invest, and go to a decent optometrist's to get the right prescription.
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>>9610226
You're not the only one. Most of mine are from Boz, but I've just picked up this one by Moitie from 2007.
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>>9622730
it's common knowledge, get the fuck over yourself
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>>9622711
Ouji is not as popular as lolita. It's not even 5% as popular. All of the main lolita brands, save Mary Magdalene? have made ouji pieces. Even Angelic Pretty has a few odd ball sets. I really think it's just more people don't wear ouji nearly as much as lolita. And this has always been like this. I really think ouji has evolved alongside lolita, back in the day you only saw black x white coords like this. OF course there is EGA too, but ouji has definitely gotten more interesting over the years.

I love rolands, I have 4 myself and they're versatile with my lolita wardrobe too. I'm sick of aatp's releases with the bright trim and nasty pleated ribbon trims. And I'm also sick of everything being black still. I've been successful in buying a lot of colored and textured ouji pieces recently, you just have to look around.

>>9622746
I have thick hipster glasses and always take them off for photos. Looking to getting some round wire frames in my prescription for tea parties.
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>>9622872
I agree about the versatility of Rolands, and how many different fabrics they release them in, with the annual variants. I also have four - a regular and a long in the standard fabric, a short navy velvet one, and a corduroy long one. They work with lolita, with ouji, with aristocrat...
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>>9621347
Where are these boots from?
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>>9622868
Ignore it, it's a meme from Reddit.
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the rules for ouji are basically: like lolita, but with pants, and, if you want, a more masculine look.

the same brands that make stuff for ouji make stuff for lolita. and offbrand ouji often looks bad because it is people using office blouses or fast-fashion shorts instead of quality materials.

here is some random shit i have saved recently which was called ouji directly, or else seems obviously ouji to me. i am happy to do more themed image dumps so i have a reason to hoard these photos.

since the discussion is on boundaries of ouji here are some coords which you may find interesting

#1: KERA shop staff, i forget which store. they usually wear visual kei type stuff (Sexpot Revenge) but specified this as an ouji coord. i dig the "rocker" edge to it.
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>>9623356
another angle. the KERA style of street fashion loves combining styles. the West sort of picked up things like punk lolita and casual lolita but ignored other fusions. i think something like this coord, which has strong vkei elements, is as valid within the EGL fashion genre as punk coords are.
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>>9623359
this is casual "neko ouji" from probably a KERA event.
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>>9623360
ouji model for Triple Fortune. idk how i feel about it
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>>9623361
also, many ouji looks are just tagged lolita on Japanese social media. many people who wear what we would call ouji just call it "lolita." probably because they use same brands and all, and have the same aesthetic.
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>>9623361
I like the fabric and the design but the fit and coord are pretty bad. And those tights are too much. Could have been good but isn't, basically.
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>>9623364
"masculine/androgynous version of lolita" is not much of a "rule" but i think it is the best rule we have for ouji. a lot of diversity is possible within that framework. without the need for a skirt that accommodates a petticoat, ouji is freer to experiment with silhouettes.

just make sure you follow the rules of head-to-toe coordination (a balanced silhouette, unified theme, and color scheme) and quality (frills, pinktucks, lace, bows, etc., are more important than prints). the extra care in assembling the outfit pieces, both on the manufacturing level and the coordinating level, is most important.
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>>9623366
i think i agree
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>>9623361
It would have looked a lot better had the tights been cream instead of black.
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>>9623369
another thing i think is important to keep in mind when looking outside the box, such as to other quality but non-jfash brands, is whether or not the coord is/would be distinguishable from other fashion styles.

Gothic Holic posts a lot of ouji-like coords, though they just call them gothic. even without the ouji label, dude on the left has many recognizably ouji elements. the only thing missing is good makeup and hair.
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>>9623379
in contrast, this dude on the right looks like literally any kind of neo-vic fashion enthusiast. a lot of guys who are too big for the usual ouji items make this mistake of using normal clothes. then, you might as well be at a steampunk event, a Dickens fair, or the Victorian picnic at WGT.

this man is probably not aiming for "ouji" (the pic is from, iirc, Artism Market, which tends to be more mature than a tea party or KERA event). but he is standing next to some people wearing burando so the contrast is good. on Mr. Right, the jacket is too plain, and not fitted.* the ascot and blouse are nice, but again, too plain. there is no accessorizing, and the outfit looks rather thrown together instead of coordinated in a way where each piece is talking to each other piece as part of a unified self-referencing whole. in comparison, the person in the middle seems closer to ouji because of the fit and extra details on the coat, and the flair on the top hat.

*have you noticed that often, but not always, ouji sets made by brands have a defined waist around where a lolita OP or JSK would flare out? this is often because vests and jackets and blouses are made with both ouji and lolita in mind. it is a small echo of the lolita silhoutte, not as extreme, and not ubiquitous, but i think it is there more often than not. offbrand coords that use menswear tend to be shapeless in comparison, and fall short of the ouji label despite ticking off the usual items (buttoned shirt, waistcoat/vest, and pants/shorts)
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>>9623385
the defined waist, often created by either a fitted jacket or pants that are loose/poofy at the hip, is what seems "off" about indie designer Fidel David to me. his work is beautiful, but his ouji often looks odd due to emphasizing the square torso with items that are fitted to waist, hip, and leg. this is a very masculine look, but a little give or poof in the upper part of his pants, or even a gathered hem below the knee, might help bring it in line with Japanese brand aesthetics. i am not sure about this. but i know many other male ouji designers and models go for the defined waist and flared hip, and i think his work would seem less "Western" if he did the same
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>>9623389
here is BTSSB/AATP designer/owner(?) demonstrating that boxy people can still have flair, and that this adds to the distinctive ouji look. there is no body-hugging like >>9623389 or shapelessness like >>9623385
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>>9623390
I have two of those coats
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>>9623390
Isobe kinda rubs me the wrong way. During an event I staffed at he wore an old pair of jeans and the type of polo shirt that both of my grandfathers wear, during the teaparty he wore that vargosa jacket. He gave off the impression of not being interested at all in the clothing and only wears it when he absolutely have to, he could at least have worn a nice set of slacks and a shirt for the event day.
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>>9623199
They aren't from any specific name brand, but you can find around rakuten, y!a or even some taobao stores. Here you go: https://item.rakuten.co.jp/minsobi/sho_5465/
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>>9623359
These are what I'm talking about, the fusions that exist in so many street snaps I've seen are totally absent in the west and are even sometimes made fun of in this thread. I gotta give it to them for trying, at least.

>>9623369
>"masculine/androgynous version of lolita" is not much of a "rule" but i think it is the best rule we have for ouji
Precisely why I think it is ripe with opportunities to incorporate interesting avante garde fashion pieces. We have a very flexible guideline to work with, so long as a few key points are hit, and ouji can, as you've shown, blend in with other styles very fluidly.


>>9623385
>*have you noticed that often, but not always, ouji sets made by brands have a defined waist around where a lolita OP or JSK would flare out?
This bothers me a lot, and I am always upset to try something on and realize the vest is made to fit a skirt under it; the waistline is extremely unflattering for men unless they can pull off some sort of shota coord. We need a better name for that, shota probably isn't a good one, but that's another discussion. I was going to say schoolboy but that sounds like it excludes young prince, I.. eh, anyways.

>>9623390
It's very interesting to me that Isobe has done something here that no one else has.. he's wearing a granny smith long vest in black under a vargossa jacket. When combined like that, the omnipresent gaudy trim aatp uses on everything actually looks cool and adds layers to the outfit. I was going to joke that he probably can't button it up given his size, but.. I think he actually can't I'd assume he would modify it to fit, but from the look of his vargossa collar being folded over in a way that needs some serious ironing, he probably doesn't care.
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>>9622881
I'm so annoyed I almost bought this jacket. I thought it had delicate pinstripes but it's just Boz's shitty image quality. The pictures on the mannequin look way better but it's actually just distortion.
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when thinking about the rules of ouji, it reminds me of an interview with rick owens.

>It's funny—whenever someone talks about rules, I just want to break them. I recoil from the whole idea of rules.
lolita was a rebellion, and while some guidelines are necessary i'm always happy to see new ideas.

>With layering, sometimes the more the better. When you layer a lot of black you're like a walking Louise Nevelson sculpture, and that's pretty attractive. Allowing yourself to be vulnerable is also one of the most attractive things you can do.
this applies to all dark and gothic fashion, what we lack in colour we make up for in depth and texture

>Hair and shoes say it all. Everything in between is forgivable as long as you keep it simple. Trying to talk with your clothes is passive-aggressive.
I don't know what the hell he means exactly by the last bit, but I find that hair and shoes can really make or break a coord.
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>>9623385
Some different shoes and more elaborate hair would do some of these wonders, and could turn steampunk or historical wear into.. at least more passable of an ouji coord. A wig can or fancy up-do can really turn you from "regular dude looking out of place in victorian clothing" to full fledged ouji pretty quickly. Shoes are less of a priority but really bring it together - given how expensive and impractical most of them are, however, they're often ignored.
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>>9623472
If this is from this season's variant, I think it is meant to have a subtle stripe. It's possibly very faint - on my corduroy Roland the texture didn't show up really in the photos.
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>>9623470
>This bothers me a lot, and I am always upset to try something on and realize the vest is made to fit a skirt under it; the waistline is extremely unflattering for men unless they can pull off some sort of shota coord. We need a better name for that,
you could just say "childlike," it is how lolitas refer to certain sack dresses. it would be 100% better to keep "shota" far away from ouji discussion. lolita suffers enough from its loli connotation.

as for the waist, i think the prime periods of mens fashion that ouji designers draw from (Rococo, Regency, Victorian) have defined waists. ideally, i think a jacket or long gilet for ouji would have a subtler flare than one made for lolita, but i enjoy swooshing too much to do away with it and just have a straigt, tight line.
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>>9623902
for bigger oujis that do not fit brand, i would also recommend using Regency or Napoleonic style clothing over Victorian (Rococo/Colonial is also better). the clothes are often more uniquely distinct from modern wear, and have that waist definition, even if it is a trick of the design like in pic related. i think it would be easier to work a pre-Victorian inspired outfit into an ouji coord.
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>>9623912
Napoleonic style is often featured in menswear collections and can be close to brand silhouettes. this is a Balmain jacket that has the kind of shape ouji brands use, with trim that i think is also appropriate
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>>9623484
>Some different shoes and more elaborate hair would do some of these wonders, and could turn steampunk or historical wear into.. at least more passable of an ouji coord.
i agree and those are often the first things i notice in offbrand ouji style coords. makeup also is important. balance matters in EGL fashion so a very plain or very rough face looks washed-out or dirty with an elaborate outfit.

also, lolitas often budget for multiple lolita specific shoes, so oujis should be prepared to spend some $$ to not look like a lazy cosplayer
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also bakasoseji was mentioned, so here is a recent coord of his
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Western brands that make ouji items update: here is matticusnightshade in Elegy Clothing's Erised set. this is the only photo i have found of a human being wearing this. i still do not like it.
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>>9623941
and this is the only photo i have of an Ikemen Mode gilet worn by a human being (@frochan) who is not Grandpa Ouji.

it is disappointing to still not have full coordinate photos of these two brands' ouji releases, since they offer sizes that Asian brands often do not. generally speaking, both matticus and frochan fit brand normally, and the photos are not clear quality
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>>9623931
I recall hearing bakasoseji was 5'4, his ability to elingaelte his legs is incredible. I'm not a fan of the more drastic cosplay makeuo he's started using, but his coords have always been very interesting and unique. He used to always use the same two pairs of shoes, but his hair made up for it, hard to believe it isn't a wig
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>>9624022
holy hell im tired and my hands were in the wrong place on the keyboard

>>9623941
>>9623947
I can't imagine it takes that much effort to get higher quality and better lit pictures to advertise.. I am very reluctant to buy from them without seeing the fit and quality of what they're making
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>>9624022
He sure is shorter than me at 164 cm. He's very very thin and wears platform shoes only, that's where the effect comes from, also angles.
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What are some good search terms for finding second hand ouji items on auction sites like yahoo Japan? There is a list for lolitas, just wondering if there is a similar ouji list.
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>>9624968
unfortunately i end up having to search the brand names, maybe with an added "vest" or "hat" on top. sifting through AatP stuff is the worst.
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>>9625242
>sifting through AatP stuff is the worst.
yes it is.

if you look on Yahoo Japan, you can go into the "angelic pretty" category and waste even MORE time sifting through a bunch of poorly-classified lolita items in hopes of finding something for ouji.

also, for any Japanese second-hand site, run the brand name you are interested in through Google Translate to get the katakana of it.
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>>9626480
what makes this even worse it that some sellers only use english and some only use japanese, ive also seen just "boz" and "atorie boz" used for atelier boz, or the item name without the brand it's from like.. "roland jacket"


searching yahoo japan is like a full day of commitment
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Ozz On is really hit or miss, but man, some of their stuff is so cool. I have no idea what to do with this and don't like short vests like this, but I want to see it used or the print in a different form.

item.mercari.com/jp/m60097903218/
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>>9627430
A simpler waistcoat and trousers set in this fabric would be nice
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I posted this in the dream dress thread but it will probably go better here
Im looking for Granny smith vest in any color
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>>9627674
I got this in white, mens size for sale.
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>>9627674
http://www.closetchildonlineshop.com/product/146500
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>>9627696
How much would you sell it for? Definitly interested

>>9627776
Thats not the same vest but thank you for trying
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In the SF comm, I heard about a black ouji who is a rapist/pedophile/sexual groomer. Anyone know about that?
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>>9627910
I think 150€ is reasonable. Worn twice, no visible wear on it.
I can take pictures tomorrow and we can share contact info if still interested.
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saw this amazingness on weibo today
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>>9627944
Thats sounds fine, and please do leaving my email so you can send me some pics and we can talk more there
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>>9627921
1. Not an ouji just a guy who sometimes shows up with his partner.
2. Apparently some nobody in the con scene had a psychotic break and has all of her friends spreading shit about him.
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more KERA shop staff fusion
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>>9627958
i hate MeituFace

but i like those boots
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>>9601536
Is there any way to do gothic boystyle without looking like a kuroshitsuji?
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>>9631909
YES. to avoid Cielification, no steel blue or grey wigs. to avoit Butlerfication, if you wear black Boz with a white shirt, wear some goddamm accessories.

here is a small selection of gothic ouji
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>>9632616
*newish gothic ouji, i mean

not the same 12 coords you get from google images
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>>9632617
i don't like these pants, at all, but corsets are trending in Japan right now and a lot of oujis use them too. a full size hat and a corset should keep you away from Kuroshit zones.
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>>9632619
the leaves on his hat are dopey, not dope. would not recommend.

but the black shirt and full sized hat = wearing Boz clothes without looking like hired help
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>>9632623
an all-black coord from the front. accented in silver and navy, which should be easy to come by. when wearing that color combo, avoid puffy pants, eyepatches, and mini hats.
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>>9632630
a couple detailed inspo shots

how you accessorize, style your hair, and make up your face will be important.
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>>9632640
gothic makeup is not present much in character designs from KS, i believe. embrace your ashy skin, sallow cheeks, and raccoon eyes.

i am running into older pics now so unless you have a more specific request i will stop here
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>>9632623
Sorry this is off topic but I just need to know. On my last 2 trips to Japan I saw the same man (and friends) wander around with little brown 'pets' on leads. Does anyone know anything about the little 'pets'? I really want to know!
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>>9632690
/jp/ might know, or /toy/
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>>9632616
God bless you, anon. Super interested in gothic ouji at the moment, but I am like babby with lolita.
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brand > tech
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solution to no ouji prints: printed capes

source: Fidel David
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>>9637561
front view
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>>9637561
No.
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>>9637741
Seconding this.
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Anyone know how to contact Gropey_the_clown? I need his critique.
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>>9638280
have you asked in the LARP thread?
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Self post for hair/makeup recommendations. I've been getting into ouji/aristocrat type fashion, but I'm struggling on what to do with my hair and makeup. I tend to do foundation, a bit of subtle contouring an fill in my 'brows a bit, but I'm not sure what else to do - I'm Goth in every day life (and Romantic Goth) and I don't know how to do ouji-appropriate Gothic makeup.

Several people recommended I get a hat for this co-ord, and I do have a tricorn for it now :) But hat aside, what should I do for hair? This is a short black wig. My natural hair is pretty unnatural these days with v-bangs and neon green, so not ouji-appropriate
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YO BIG OUJIS: http://www.closetchildonlineshop.com/product/150283

alice auaa jacket, 51cm shoulders. probably the widest you can get brand. it has a Moitie-esque shape so if you prefer the asymmetrical, flowy drama of Gothic Aristocrat, this baby calls out for you

>>9638911
this is a solid coord, but your face looks washed out and your wig needs texture. i would start from whatever your usual makeup style is and subtract elements that feel too strong. as a goth, you have a style that is yours already. own it. in fact if you want to post a pic of your usual makeup i can give tips on how to oujify it.

because the western comm gets most of its inspo from the rare scans people deign to post, and those people who deign to post tend to all come from the "fresh faced lolita" aesthetic, gothic aesthetic is under-represented. this was less true back when gothic substyles reigned, but for a long time, the most circulated scans have followed a similar plain aesthetic. most ouji does do best with a cleaner look, but gothic ouji with darker makeup does exist.

pic related is an OTT coord for Halloween (the spider is attached to the jacket) but check out the face squiggles
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>>9639027
visual kei style makeup is popular for gothic coords
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>>9639029
even manlier faces do shimmery shadow sometimes
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>>9639031
on the right, note the mostly clean face but gothic angularness emphasized via that angled brow shape
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>>9639034
some gothic oujis prefer that manga-like BJD look
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>>9639037
this is filtered to hell but check these raccoon eyes
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>>9639042
but if you want the cleaner look, here is an ouji with the sort of basic makeup: trim brows, black eyeliner with some white, and hair styled to fall into face. a plain, fair face can avoid looking washed out with this hair trick, imo, and the piecey, textured look is popular for ouji.
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(this is his full coord, for reference)
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>>9639046
Thank-you very much! Lots of inspiration there! Very helpful indeed :)

I think I need to invest in some more layered/choppy wigs. The one I tend to use (in the picture) tends to lay very slick and flat, and even when I try and make it more interesting (which I did for the pic shared), it's still very plain. I do have a black wig with a red streak, that's a little fluffier but have worried that the red wouldn't be suitable for Ouji, although I have actually worn it for an Ouji co-ord anyway (no good pics, sadly).

I've got some pics of my usual make-up styles; I go for either vivid colours to match my hair, or swirlies. My real hair is dyed pretty bright, so it's a) not ouji- appropriate and b)what I usually try and go with in my make-up; black + the colours of my hair, so the bright hair and all black outfit get tied together more. (Pics have been collaged from the collages I make for my Insta)
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>>9638547
Did I miss something? Why would creep-o the clown be needed here? Don't shit up the thread.
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>>9639624
>worried that the red wouldn't be suitable for Ouji
i think it can work, especially for gothic.

for your makeup, i personally like bottom-left best. i think swirls would look better if your brows were also darkened, since in the upper photo the vine crawls over it and makes it seem weak in comparison, which highlights the unnaturalness of the squiggles, but i am NOT a makeup artist or any kind of expert. in my unexpert opinion, to j-fashify your current makeup style, i think i would go subtler and play with the gradient idea on bottom left, bringing the brows closer in for that visual kei scowl (like >>9639029 and >>9639031). the Boz dude has a gradient shimmer up to his browbone but it is much lighter. even the relatively raccoon-eyed example (>>9639042) keeps the deepest colors closer to the eye. so i would try to blend the color into something paler approaching your brow, if that makes sense.

Mana-sama is always good inspo for dramatic makeup, and gothic lolitas & oujis still imitate his style. even in a dramatic Aristocrat look, like pic related, there is the blending i was trying to describe. compared to western goth, Japanese goths seem to prefer to keep the deepest pigment concentrated around the eyes with any color directly beneath the brows blended more mildly.

also, the matchiness of choosing eyecolor based on hair color could work well for gothic ouji, even that wig you mentioned. i imagine a black wig with a red streek worn with dark, black eye makeup that has a pop of red. or black+red gradient lips, which are a longtime staple of visual kei looks.

another thing, which i have been gather inspo pics for for a different thread, is that colored hair is trendy in Japanese street fashion of all kinds right now, and all genders. the colors are on the softer side, mostly, and often they have a gradient involved. i have been looking for an affordable short wig like that without luck, but i hope the trend continues and more options appear.
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>>9640173
ahahaha i didn't realize from the thumbnail that that was a reaction image
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>>9640173
(continued)

this is an ouji with multicolored hair, but the Japanese are shy so it is hard to see. i think your bang/fringe line is probably not right for ouji, but i have also seen a certain model with a similar hairline but as a wig where the V was much further forward. still, fun hair colors are In so everyone should have fun with them. and even if they go Out, have fun with them. the Western community needs more style and variance and risk-taking
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>>9640185
a feminine multicolor-haired ouji. maybe extensions, idk. looks cool as fuck whatever it is.
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Well, this is just tragic.
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>>9639987
First, Gropalope is bae, and shut your whore mouth.
Second, he's knowledgeable about the historic clothing most boystyle is based on and had great advice.
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hello /ouG/s, i found another new digital magazine while investigating Japanese social media. it is called LucuLucu. here is an ouji coord from their Boys Snap section:

https://luculucu.press/snap/kousaka-aki-snap2/
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>>9641752
also this is google's translation of the model's Q&A:

>Q. Oji Fashion, how was it when you wore it?
>The silhouette was beautiful, and seemed to be able to arrange the feelings of nature when wearing.
>The inside shirt is a short sleeve, so I can remove the tie, so it seems that various wearing methods can be done.
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Anyone have recommendations for reasonably priced jewlery that would work in a gothic ouji coord? Need a cool necklace for halloween.
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>>9644763
based on currently available stock, you might look into:

>Alchemy Gothic
they are iconic. they are also often ripped off, poorly. if you have Amazon Prime, there are good deals there.
>Martha Rotten
my favorite. hand-cast pewter in spooky themes, usually bones, nature, and dolls.
>Fantastic Grim
i do not own anything they have made, but they have a skull king neclace i wish i had made.
>GhastlyGear
this is my shop. it has not been updated in a long time, but @ghastly.gear on Instagram has a couple more recent pieces. my goal is to update the shop this weekend.

if you feel brave, you could tell me what kind of colors or themes (and a price range) you are looking for, and i will make something and put it in my Etsy on reserve. and if you like it, bam. and if you don't, thanks for the inspiration and good luck finding the right thing!

>pic related, the newest thing i made (caution, the photo is unedited and large)
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Deorart has a guide up for how to dress in ouji for Halloween: http://deorartmagazine.com/halloween-gothic-items-available-for-vampire-prince-corde/
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>>9644887
Thanks for all the suggestions, anon! I've bought from you before, and your stuff is really nice.
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new sweet release from Meta: https://www.metamorphose.gr.jp/product/detail/13617

>>9648901
thank you, i am very glad you like it! unfortunately i was not able to update the shop over the weekend before my day job took over, but i will leave a note here when i do.
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>>9649051
and they have 3 colors for their Magic School convertable salo, open for reserve this Friday: https://www.metamorphose.gr.jp/product/detail/14198

waist of 68cm but hips of 128, am i reading this correctly?
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new AatP for reservation, black or "khaki" (olive green) colorways, one size only: http://www.babyssb.co.jp/reservation/oblivion_longing/
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want to try wa ouji? consider Miho Matsuda

http://mihomatsuda.com/smp/item/701133.html
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>>9652573
or make like usagiyouhinten and just do pic related
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ouji koopa
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I want to get into ouji and stuff but I have no experience in jfash in general, so some help would be appreciated. I'm looking for some more masculine style like
>>9621347
>>9621319
I'm a tall guy (6,4ft) and i have broad shoulders so I guess that will be a problem.
What brands should i look for? I've read the sticky but i can't find anything.
Sorry if I sound like a newfag, but you're the only people I can ask.
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>>9656180
if your shoulders measure more than 40cm across, you will probably have to rely on indie brands that offer custom sizing. Fan+Friend makes many dupes of Atelier Boz and Moi-meme-Moitie, the main masculine gothic brands suitable for ouji. they are iffy quality-wise, but check reviews for the items you are interested in.

technotropism (>>9611629) is quite tall and manages to fit men's sizes in brands like Moitie, Boz, and Alice and the Pirates. other tall, broad-shouldered men have had success with alice auaa as well. however, you would also need to be thin to fit those brands.

Buttcape's list of brands (in the thread OP) mentions which indie brands have custom sizing.

one day, Ikemen Mode will have an online shop. they are meant to fit larger, Western oujis. they look good in person. but they seem to only sell at cons.

meanwhile, as mentioned earlier, napoleon-style jackets are sold by many non-EGL brands so be on the lookout for them. and always remember to color coordinate. sometimes the "feel" of ouji can come through in non conventional coords if some general guidelines are followed. pic related is in Ozz On, which is still a Japanese street fashion brand, but this kind of outfit (napoleon jacket, interesting black pants, and Docs that kind of match a jabot) can make for "good enough" ouji style when you are starting out and give you coording practice. no reason to wait for that Fan+Friend order to come in before you start dressing like a prince with what you have on hand!
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also for any manfaced oujis out there: most people, even if they are not models, touch up their faces a lot in photos to achieve inhuman smoothness. if you are looking at inspo pics and think, "i will never be that bishounen-like," remember that only Akira is truly like that IRL.

here is a pair of coords, beauty filtered
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>>9656485
here they are outside of the purikura booth.

don't feel bad if your face isn't "Asian enough" for ouji bc lots of Asians have rougher, blocky faces too
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>>9656487
anyway, i don't think masculine faces of any ethnicity look bad in ouji. if you have good grooming and appropriate makeup it is fine. some people in EGL or related fashions are self-conscious to have a big nose or square jaw but it's not worth the stress. be your best face and rock your coord.
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>>9656468
Technotropism is 5'11ft for reference, and seems to barely fit into a lot of Japanese men sized items. My boyfriend is 5'10ft, 150lbs and also right under the max for most Japanese mens brand. Anon will probably be out of luck for most brand items but I second F+F as a great alternative.

>>9656491
These guys honestly look like they match the fashion way better here than >>9656485 anyways. Super feminine faces I never liked in ouji or EGA. Also damn, black + navy + brown combo.
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>>9656502
>Technotropism is 5'11ft for reference
i always think he is taller. thank you for clarifying

>>9656502
>These guys honestly look like they match the fashion way better here
those are different guys but i agree. i dislike purikura filters.

but feminine faces in ouji can look good. Door-chan is one of the best (pic related). it is all about playing to your strengths and finding the style that works for what you have, imo
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>>9656516
well, that pic is a bad example, because she is fairly androgynous in it, like Tilda Swinton. still, i like the whole range of masculine to feminine in ouji. sometimes in lolita too. (that one middle aged man with the clarinet who wears lolita is darling.)
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>>9656516
Yea I think the over filtering/editted looks really make it look worst.

>>9656519
Yea, Door-Chan is good because she's got that androgynous vibe.
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>>9656468
yeah, my shoulders measure 45cm across, so i guess I'm out of luck unless I get custom sizing. But F+F is great, it has many items with the style I was looking for!
I'll start saving money now, this is not going to be cheap.
Thanks a lot for your help anon!
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>one size only

There go my OTT dreams. This is gorgeous. ;_;
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I figured this would be the best place to ask for aristo even though the thread seems mainly for ouji, but what are the top brands for masculine aristo? (Atelier Boz and MMM are the only two I can think of off the top of my head, along with some stuff from Ozo)

I'm trying to find some stuff to help my girlfriend who is a jfash noob who is suddenly really into aristo/EGA, but not so much ouji. I'm a lolita/more feminine jfash sort of person so I haven't paid much attention to the masculine counterparts until now!

Thanks for any help, guys, sorry I'm retarded.
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>>9665277
Miho Matsuda, Na+H, Mille Noirs, alice auaa, look around the brands carried by Atelier Pierrot.
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>>9604136
Trying to find the blouse in Kera's online store. Did they stop selling it?
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>>9665277
the same brands for ouji. the distinction is mostly artificial, created by the Western comm to separate cute from mature ouji. imagine classifying Fanny Rosie's coords as "not lolita" because they are different from Lovely Lor's. in many cases, coords used from KERA or the GLB to illustrate "aristo" are literally labelled ouji or prince in the magazine. or butler. because the distinction has a weird relationship with the Cielification of ouji and KERA did a lot of Black Butler inspired coords and all the "butler" ones got labelled "aristocrat" by the Western comm. fucking ironic.

anyway, look for brands from the Gothic section of Closet Child like other anon said. if you want masculine or mature ouji that is not gothic, Alice and the Pirates sometimes has items good for that and so does Excentrique. they also each offer men's sizing.
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>>9668225
>like other anon said
*or AtPie like other anon said

>>9666529
not sure, but it looks maybe like Putumayo, so you could check other Putu sellers maybe
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for persons struggling to find offbrand items, this article demonstrates how skinny pants could work in ouji without it seeming casual: http://kerastyle.jp/fashion/8332

it is still official brands being used, but skinny black pants are generic. the buttcape gives visual interest
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>>9665372
>>9668225

Thanks for the help, anons! And second anon, that insight is really helpful, so thank you particularly for that. Definitely solely looking for masculine/mature ouji that's gothic, but I'll definitely just out AaTP and Excentrique anyways!
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>>9670147
you are welcome!

>pic unrelated
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new Mana pic
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>AatP releases leopard print blouse
>only one size

why
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What are some good bags for ouji? I’m fairly new to the style and haven’t seen a lot of coords featuring bags.
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>>9682911
It really depends on the coord.
For themed coords: Alice and the pirates makes bags shaped like treasure chests. MMM makes a coffin shaped bag and a bat shaped bag.
For more casual looks you could try looking in for vintage looking satchels.
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>>9615259
Seconding cummerbund; also they are not too expensive to get made if you need it slightly wider or specific colours for an outfit. Most dressmakers are familiar with the look as they get used for weddings heaps.
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>>9617953
pop ouji?
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>>9688331
more punkish goth, i think. i cannot remember right now what DN coords tended to be classified under in KERAs. let us call it pop-goth ouji
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>>9615259
Who. Is. That.
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Whats the best time frame for classic American fashions that would fit with victorian or classic lolita
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Would a Edwardian style of dressing still be considered Ouji or related to Lolita classic? The Regent and Victorian styles dont resonate with me
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>>9689718
It's not necessarily ouji because it's not jfash, but you can style yourself with this style in mind as long as you accessorize well because Edwardian fashion doesn't have many frills if at all so you could easily look like you're just wearing a fancy suit. A nice ascot and an interesting (but not too big) brooch will be good, as well as interesting colors and patterns like wearing a wine damask waistcoat under your jacket to add some interest.
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>>9689730
Whats your opinion on regency? I dont have the face or facial hair for a dandy, but i think i can work with a solid vest and this kind of look and pull it off well. Would tying a bow into my beard be too much or?...
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>>9689834
Imo what you posted is really nice; again, not ouji, but can be appropriate for a meetup.
Mind you that dandy is a very broad term and you can have facial hair with it... depending on what it looks like of course. Don't tie a bow in your beard, that'll probably just look comical. If your hair is long enough you can tie it in a ribbon though.
Have you seen this video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwnmGod0OqM Look around the 5:00 mark and you'll see an example of a great aristocrat outfit that's absolutely appropriate for meets, and incorporates 0 brand. Another idea or reference for you, if you will.
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>>9689851
Ah, roger. I would prefer to keep the flash and embellishments down to a low roar. Seems it can be done with small accessories like pocket chains and ruffly neck ties and such. Dont get me wrong, I like the more elaborate stuff, but I just dont see it looking good on my Green looking ass
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>>9689857
If keeping the frills to a minimum will look and feel better for you then by all means, go for it. If something isn't comfortable to you it'll be obvious, and you don't want that. It might feel difficult to find a balance between aesthetically appropriate and flattering but it's doable, even if it takes some trial and error. Once you make some progress with whatever outfit you're putting together you can post here for coord advice, or even on your comm's page if you're comfortable asking for their guidance.
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>>9689873
Ha, nah i aint apart of a comm page yet since my only facebook page is my art page. Will probably pick up a pair of pants and an undershirt to test the waters and post it here.

Of course... thats if I stop eating cinnamon rolls...
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At RuffleCon, Ikemen Mode said their next step will be to update their online shop. They showed a number of ouji items that ranged from formal to casual (including a cutsew/jacket with a Napoleonic pattern/trim). Hopefully they can put their full range online soon.
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>>9693793
Ikemen Mode coord on left
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>>9693795
the parka
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>>9693797
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Any recommendations for platform shoes outside of Yosuke and Demonia? Looking for something that's not too "edgy" if that makes any sense, and white ones would be amazing. I wish aatp would re-release the ones in pic related.
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>>9695638
i can't help you, but what set is this?

also some of the Taobao shoe shops have had similar boots, but their names escape me
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>>9695638
It's the new Aatp reservation/MTO I think

http://www.babyssb.co.jp/reservation/premium_ap/
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eyepatch questions for those who have worn them in coords

>are you clumsier in a significant way?
>do they stay up well, or do you need to secure them with bobby pins, etc.?
>how long can you wear one without going mad from the lack of depth perception?
>do you switch eyes after a while?

thanks
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>>9697712
>no
>the one i have is almost impossible to keep up
>depth perception is no big deal, the fabric rubbing your eyelid is more annoying
>most of them are made to only be secured over one eye, like the one on the right in that pic. the straps come off it in a way that only works over the left eye
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if you liked all those old PoP dragon leathet ouji coords, you may love this h. Naoto collection of dragon leather items: https://hnaoto.shop/gos-style/1107-black-dragonleather.html

>>9698717
well, that sucks.
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>>9697712
>a bit clumsier yes, depth perception a little fucked up, mostly having to be careful when I step
>I used one with an elastic strap, didn't really slip but i had a hair clip on hand in case
>I didn't switch eyes but took a break every once in a while, I think I got a small headache at some point
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Do ouji coords ever feature some non pumpkin pants but shorts that are a bit looser at the bottom? Like the breeches mentioned here http://buttcape.blogspot.co.nz/2015/01/an-ouji-overview-part-6-pants.html
I would love some pics if anyone has any!
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>>9697712
>are you clumsier in a significant way?
No, I'm very right eye dominant so usually have some trouble with depth perception even with both eyes uncovered.
>do they stay up well, or do you need to secure them with bobby pins, etc.?
It's a trade off for me between being annoyed by tight-ish elastic or having to pin the hell out of it
>how long can you wear one without going mad from the lack of depth perception?
I think the longest was 3 hours, the feeling of the patch annoys me before my vision does
>do you switch eyes after a while?
Hell no. I can only last 30mins using my left eye before I really want my right back in play
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>>9699441
ah, dear new friend, regular shorts/breeches have always been popular.

in honor of Putumayo's death, here are some Putu coords with shorts
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>>9699544
i got lost in my uncategorized images and i hope at least one of the coords in pic related involves the kind of short pants you wanted, with or without Putumayo
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>>9699551
no, and it turns out the pic is no clearer than its thumbnail.

so here is Bakasoseji being a skeleton man.
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>>9699554
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>>9699569
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>>9699570
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>>9699572
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>>9699573
ok that is a random enough selection. let me know if you want something more specific.
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>>9693793
That guy makes me so happy. How does one person always look so dang delightful and pleasant? Like, he gives me hope for being stylish past my 20s/30s.
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Does anyone have any Christmas ouji inspiration? Got invited to a nice Victorian Christmas party and currently my only thought paths are going for a nice wine × dark green color combo or doing things a bit Dickens inspired. Thought or examples? Seen a bunch of lolita Christmas coords but never any ouji.
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>>9700152
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>>9700755
Oh no. Obvious, strange color wig plus the very cheap candy color red just makes this read as 100% cosplay, not even getting into untucked shirt and the fact that Santa hats are the most aesthetically unappealing thing in existence
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>>9700755
Anon are you sure that this is ouji and not some Christmas art cosplay from an anime?
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>>9700938
IT'S OUJI I TELL YA
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>>9700152
AatP did a couple Nutcracker themed releases for ouji. pic releated is the Mouse King and they also did a toy soldier.
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>>9700990
besides official releases like that, other themes ouji have done themselves include drummer boy (pic related)
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>>9700995
regular Christmas colors (any velvet x metallic could work)
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>>9701000
whatever you want to call this holly thing
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>>9701005
those are roses. not holly berries. it would be cool to do a holly crown for Christmas, though.
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>>9701005
Christmas wrapping paper aesthetic
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>>9701020
out of time to find better pics but the sash is essential to the wrapped gift look.

also tartans are always seasonal
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>>9701005
This is very explicitly The Little Prince themed but with holly and an accessory swap I think it'd be lovely for christmas too!
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>looking for Putumayo ouji coords
>find pic related

maybe the brand was meant to go extinct
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>>9701324
yeah, i found it in a Pinterest category for Christmas coords and hallucinated the holly berries but i am glad i did.

also >>9700755 looks like a costume but i would love to see a classic Father Christmas coord, a sweet elf coord, a gothic Krampus coord, and others. the elf idea is probably easiest to do in any of the substyles and would be adorable in a group.
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hey /ouG/, have you been following the Moitie polls? they ask mostly about lolita items, but whoever runs the new official English Facebook page has also been interacting with commenters who wear EGA. i am not sure if the EGA line will see the same level of attention the EGL line is getting, but if you want to try to influence that, now is the time.
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>>9622453
Nayrt, but we know anon.other anon posted them because they were interesting for creative inspo. Dont complain about things being same-y then shit on stuff that is different but you dont like it, while also taking a dump on someone injecting some creative inspo from outside sources. You sound so boring, do you even like fashion?
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>>9703732
I made that post two months ago, but I still stand by my post. I didn't like much of what that anon posted (save for the hat and shoes), and that particular post they posted is what tipped me into responding. Ouji does have to look a certain way to be called ouji, there are rules. They were heavily implying just adding a jabot would tip those outfits into being ouji. And I said Chinese ouji is same-y. It's all way too cutesy anime cosplay inspired, but not all of it. I don't know why you seem so attacked by my post.

Yes I like ouji fashion, I don't like what anon posted.
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>>9703732
why respond to an old post when you have nothing interesting to say? anon's post had ideas and reasons and opinions. your post was a waste of time to read.

lurk more, newfriend.

>>9703750
>Chinese ouji is same-y. It's all way too cutesy anime cosplay inspired, but not all of it.
in addition, the cuts and materials are cheap and costumey. too bad that is all we have for prints, mostly. AatP has continued its bizarre ouji choices for so long, i cannot even remember what the last good print item was.

>>9681829 doesn't count bc it is a pattern, not a print.
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Wunderwelt's Black Friday coupon might make this AatP mens tshirt worth it: https://www.wunderwelt.jp/products/w-26291

casual ouji calls your name, Anon
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someone is selling this aatp vest in lace market and the seller doesn't know the name of the piece.
I've been looking for it in lolibrary but I can't find it, soes somebody know the name?
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>>9705078

William Gladstone. It's named after an English prime minister.
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>>9705156
the vest really captures the spirit of liberal economics and a kinder treatment of Ireland
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>>9705297
underrated post, 10/10
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Anyone have photos/reference of lolita items being converted into ouji ones? I recall a few people converting jsks into vests/skirts and the like and would love to look closer at how they went about it.
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>>9708429
no clear tutorials but there is this
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>>9709270
this was Bodyline, i think
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Mana-sama said he would no longer be modeling lolita for Moitie, but would give EGA renewed focus while hiring a female model for lolita.

do you think this may mean more EGA releases on the horizon, fewer, or the same?
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>>9710107
also if you have a Twitter, Mana-sama wants to see your Moitie coords with the hasthtag #moitie_code

show him the power of Western aristocrat/gothic ouji
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>>9711545
I don't want Mana-sama to cry.
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>>9711603
aw

i am sure he will not cry. last i checked, the tag was not going far and he may even have taken it down after getting about 3 responses. either that, or Twitter vanished some posts on me
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>>9712575
>>9711603
my bad, it looks like it was reposted to be for #moitie_coord instead of "code." the new international team probably corrected it, i imagine. the tag is hopping, check it out!
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>>9710107
My fingers are crossed for more EGA. I feel like While Mana modelling the lolita side of Moitie is traditional, I see the merit in swapping to a female model. Let's face it, Mana doesn't look quite as good as he used to in lolita. He still looks amazing in EGA though.
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>>9712640
Considering the sizing and his consistently conveniently placed arms (over the most likely gaping zippers) he probably doesn't fit size 2 anymore anyway
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>>9712978
I'd heard that he had custom sized dresses made for him. I think some of his posing was to disguise his masculine build as well.
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>>9713417
this is what i have also been hearing (for years).

i also think he would look better if he stuck with his old-school gothic lolita look. attempting the more natural wigs and cuter poses does not work.
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>>9640289
"Shoe-polish" would be a nice start.
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>>9713417
>>9713476
There are GLB shoots where they forgot to hide the safety pins holding the dress pinned to the front of the blouse he's wearing
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>>9714104
omg that is hilarious
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Um hi guys. This is my sweet boystyle outfit, and I posted on CoF yesterday. However people don’t seem to buy it, it got like 20+likes. Could anyone tell me what I did wrong?
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>>9714542
-that camel toe
- bloomers as shorts
- ita colorway in pink and black
- edgy garters that aren’t functional in a “sweet” coord

You look like the typical Chinese cosplayer trying to fit in. No sense of the style whatsoever.
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>>9714542
I almost commented on it critiquing it, but didn't... The garters absolutely ruin it for me I'm afraid. The bare skin isn't a good look, it doesn't balance out the solid black blouse enough.
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>>9714542
i know you from Discord and various other platforms and i feel like i should tell you that likes aren't everything. every time you post to CoF, you ask people in the Discord why you didn't get likes and it's a little concerning. maybe take a step back from CoF because all it seems to be doing is making you sad that you aren't getting the likes you want. it's natural to want validation but doing something that disappoints you over and over isn't good for you.

>t. genuinely concerned acquaintance

as for the outfit, i think black tights (patterned or solid) would be better than all of the interesting legwear you have on right now. the garters are a little too menhera-esque. your posing is getting better but it still looks a little forced; instead of overly posed photos, focus on standing up straight and having good posture. i think it'll help a lot.
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>>9714542
i dont think this is awful, but need to change everything on legs other than shorts.
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>>9714542
I would ditch the garters and get some different shoes, like booties. I also dont think the wig is very flattering cut.
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