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Is it morally unacceptable to cosplay certain characters? Some characters that I find visually interesting tend to be very. . . questionable. . . to the say the least to the point that I'm scared to cosplay it in fear of being attacked by neckbeards armed with katanas. And beyond that, should one feel guilt? Discuss.
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No...? They're fictional characters. Anyone who cares this much is overly sensitive and/or has a stick up their ass.
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what characters are you talking about?
I don't think it's ever morally wrong to cosplay a character, but it might be pretty insensitive to cosplay certain characters, like those who use clear Nazi imagery etc
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>>9646765
I speak of Griffith from Berserk, friend
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>>9646755
Why do you say it like "might get attacked by irrational neckbeards" = "morally unacceptable"? Some might people get offended at nothing but that wouldn't be your fault. I haven't read Berserk but there's nothing wrong with how Griffith looks.
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>>9646758
>>9646767
>>9646772
Well yeah he's done morally reprehensible stuff but I highly doubt anyone actually cares if you cosplay him. Even Tumblr wouldn't give a shit.

If you're attractive you might even go viral, anon.
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>>9646772
Sweet summer child, it's not what he looks like that's the issue, unfortunately
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>>9646772
Do genuine think that you're going to get assaulted by some Berserk nerd shouting shit like "WAUUUH WHY'D YOU RAPE CASCA"? Like some 30 year old dude is going to come out of nowhere and sock you in the jaw over some shit that happened in a manga?
I mean yeah Griffith is a shitty dude, but you're not going to get your ass kicked like if you're parading around in a Schutzstaffel uniform; hell if anything you'd probably get some "Griffith did nothing wrong" call outs and maybe some photo ops with Guts cosplayers.
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>>9646785
So are you going to explain what is? Even if he's a literal fascist or mass murderer or something there's nothing "morally" wrong with cosplaying a fictional character. Unless you're glorifying his behavior as acceptable in real life, which is something else entirely.
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>>9646792
I think you meant to reply to OP, anon.
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>>9646798
Yeah shit you're right.
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>>9646792
I dunno man, I've gotten threats for cosplaying Shinji Ikari once.
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>>9646812
I'm sorry what?
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>>9646812
That's because people are shoddily socialized/actually autistic and generally terrible, not because cosplaying Shinji (or any other character) is morally wrong.

Honestly this whole hand-wringing over characters (and shipping and fanart and so on) has gotten absolutely out of control, do people not realize there's a difference between fantasy and reality?
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>>9646755
>. . . questionable. . .
>neckbeards armed with katanas
>I speak of , friend
>Sweet summer child


this is the offensive stuff that's gonna get you the most side-eye desu
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>>9646860
Oops I'm sorry lol I left the autism on
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So I think consensus is it's okay to cosplay a villain, whether the villain did something cartoonishly evil (zim, Iago from Aladdin) or if they are actually really bad (Griffith, Claude Frollo, Bellatrix Lestrange), you aren't really advocating their actions to be copied in real life unless you really are a nut case. We like villains for a reason, Vader is way cooler than Obi Wan, most great Disney villains carry more pathos than the entire princess lineup combined. That doesn't equal advocacy for mass genocide or puppy slaughter.

Now, on a similar topic, I think it's weird when people cosplay famous people. I'm not talking about something like "the Emma Watson version Belle" but something like "hi I'm markiplier". It's weird and a little creepy. Even something like dressing in a Miley Cyrus wrecking ball outfit is a little borderline for me.
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>>9646874
Agreeing with you for the most part. I'm okay with people cosplaying, say, the outfits My Chemical Romance wore for certain albums/music videos. Maybe that's moreso because they're alter egos or something, idk. Same goes for Ninja Sex Party cosplayers, for example. The people who play those characters see them as separate from themselves. However, people walking around actually pretending they're Dan Avidan or Jacksepticeye are bizarre. It's like when people write Youtuber fanfiction, it seems invasive or something. Because they're just average people with very public jobs.
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>>9646879
As an extension of that, I don't get how people cosplay K-pop idols. sure there's some pretty icononic looks but more often than not it's just tight skimpy clothes or generic cute outfits and someone who looks NOTHING like the idol is like "yeah I'm x from snsd but no one recognized me :'((" Like ok let's be real here your 'cosplay' is a tiny red dress and it just feels weird to be impersonating a real person.
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>>9646874
To Piggy back off of what this Anon said, some really fucked up villains like Doctor Doom cosplay go on without anyone going up in arms. Doctor Doom is the guy who literally said "The applause for me shall continue for another hour, the first to stop shall be executed."
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>>9646971
Doom has moments of cartoonishly insane evil though.
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>>9646820
>do people not realize there's a difference between fantasy and reality?

Apparently not as of late
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>>9646922
I think there are a few you can get away with. Big Bang have a number of easily recognisable outfits. As long as you don't yellowface you'd probably be fine_b
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>>9646922
What about visual kei cosplay? People don't really do it anymore but some of those old Malice Mizer and Dir en grey outfits were cool as fuck.
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When Hetlia was a huge thing some years ago someone went to a con dressed as Germany with nazi flag. No, she didn't get beaten.
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>>9647050
Visual kei is so intentionally visual that it's normal to just wear the outfits. Fans tend to wear at least parts of recognizable stage concerts to shows to show support. Wearing a musician's iconic costume as cosplay is fine but what you shouldn't do is actually go around doing inappropriate stuff as the musician, like kiss and grope each other for fanservice. Basically, it's fine imo as long as you're not being creepy or disrespectful.
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>>9647050
Think of it this way: an Elvis impersonator who's actually a fan being in character is cool, but an Elvis impersonator who goes around doing things that are disrespectful to his legacy is not.
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>>9646820
>do people not realize there's a difference between fantasy and reality
No. A while ago there was drama on tumblr (surprise, surprise) in the Voltron: Legendary Defenders fandom about shipping. One particularly loud account started a statement with "FANTASY IS REALITY."

It's very cringey, but there are people that think like that.
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>>9647052
Wasn't there some shit going on where Hetalia cosplayers were doing the Nazi salute complete with the seig heil?
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>>9647060
It was FICTION IS REALITY, but yes.
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>>9647065
Haah yep, that was the Hetalia fandom alright. That wasn't even a one time thing. Good times.

No sane person is going to bash you for cosplaying a morally wrong character. I think you may have seen one too many tumblr callout posts. No one does that shit in real life. Only actually crazy people do it online, and you probably didn't want to be associating with them anyway.
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>>9647060
Can somebody please explain to me why the Voltron fandom is so batshit insane?
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>>9647065
In front of the Boston holocaust memorial. It’s solidly /pol/ tier shit
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>>9647042

Well this was unsettling to read
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>>9647075
I mean if you're posting an SU image, you should understand. These fucks all came from the Tumblr Homestuck fandom in way or another when they were impressionable young babs, and once the mega hiatuses started happening their short attention spans forced them to abandon ship to other material; first being things such as Attack on Titan and Dangit Ronpal, Gravity Falls, Bobs Burgers, Steven Universe, and coming full circle with Undertale. In their quest for new content, they exposed new impressionable young babs to their erratic tendencies and the cycle began anew.

They're nothing but locusts and their only intent is to hop onto a fandom for a couple of months, flood it with fanfiction and shipping, and then hop ship after the stream of content slows down again.
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>>9647087
>I mean if you're posting an SU image, you should understand.
You know what, fair enough

Yeah you pretty much summed it up
>dangit ronpa
I laughed, I just got back into it recently and had almost forgotten how popular it was back in 2013 on tumblr
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>>9646785
Why do you talk like a pretentious idiot with a dick up your ass?
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>>9646755
I've had so many creeps that were fans of Berserk/cosplaying it that you wouldn't really be anymore on my radar at least. Before anyone gets triggered I won't care or say anything, but from someone who IS cautious of certain types of people and fans I wouldn't treat you any differently. The ones who won't shut up about their rape fetish usually are usually just decked out in merch anyway. If anything cosplaying at all would separate you from that.
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>>9647118
Because I'm a filthy pretentious autist with at least three dicks up my ass, actually.
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>>9647136
>pretentious
>autist
>three dicks up your ass

And you think cosplaying Griffith is what would get you threats.
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>>9647144
Well...
It's just the cherry on top, you see.
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who gives a shit they aren't real
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People freak out over things like killing stalking all the time
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>>9646755
At this point I really wouldn't want to cosplay villains/disliked characters anymore. I had plans to cosplay Adachi from Persona 4 but after hearing about Akechi (Persona 5) cosplayers being harassed and insulted just because they cosplayed Akechi, I'll just stick to SMT/early Persona cosplays.
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>>9647593
That's mainly because it's gay though t.bh. Besides the "gross" factor a huge part of it's fanbase is sjws because of it. The anime community (god I feel so cringy saying that) absolutely has no problem with anime full of nudity and rape or mixing sex with violence. It's more about autists being unable to separate characters with people like >>9647621 said. Same thing with waifufags and creeps.
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>>9646755
desu I only cosplay sociopathic characters

of course the random passerby wouldn't know that, but I've never gotten shit for a cosplay in person or seen someone get shit for who they're cosplaying as
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What about characters that are based of real people?
Example; Gilles de Rais from Fate
Gilles was a historic figure that molested and murdered little kids, but is it alright to cosplay his Fate counterpart? (Fate Gilles kidnapped kids too, but Fate is based in a fictional setting).
I was considering cosplaying Elizabeth Bathory from FGO but was hesistance considering that she was known for killing girls in Hungary...
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>>9647937
Are you glorifying kidnapping and killing children? If not, there's no problem.

This thread is ridiculous. Just use common sense, be able to separate fantasy from reality (or just don't be cringey in general), and stop worrying about brainfucked autists.
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>>9647937
Charlie Chaplin isn't viewed as a Nazi because he played the role of Hitler. There should be no worry about wearing a costume based on a fictional character based on a real person.
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>>9647937
Nobody cares,and if they do then they've got serious mental issues. I really don't think anyone within the Fate fandom would want to beat you half to death over a servant's historical background over what they do in universe. If anything, I'd expect you to get more flak cosplaying as Caster Gilles's Master from Zero rather than Caster himself (which when done well, is really good/funny in a positive way). For majority of the servants out there, I -highly- doubt anyone not versed in Fate would know who you were based off of.

On a related note: do it, Elizabeth is a super qt and if done right can be super impressive. There was one at the Aniplex booth at Otakon and I can tell you she's got potential for a really eye catching cosplay.
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>>9646874
>Vader is way cooler than Obi Wan
I'm triggered
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>>9647039
A character with such a long legacy and series of representations usually dips his toes in both. Either way it shouldn't matter.
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>>9647937
Only if you're cosplaying people like recent serial killers and murderers like the Joker guy. Anything where you're looking for an excuse to be all "Boo how why you snowflakes so sensitive?" makes you an asshole.

Or if you don't know the line between being in character or being a piece of shit if if you were going to be Caster and then go up to a family and threatening to murder their kid. Or those Hetalia cosplayers who think it's a good idea to go anywhere near a war memorial or Holocaust museum.
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>>9647966
nayrt but I think being paid to act as a person and dressing up as that person for fun are two different things.
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>>9646755
OP, how the fuck old are you? It would explain many questions.
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>>9646755
No one cares. Cosplay whatever you like.
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Griffith was mostly a good guy until the Eclipse. I hardly ever see cosplays of him at cons, you'd probably very popular if you did a good job of it.
Anyway loads of people (including little kids) cosplay Darth Vader who is a tyrant and mass murderer who blows up entire planets and nobody seems to take issue with it.
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>>9648060
Fuck bringing up Darth Vader is a really good point. This reminds me of that argument poeple brought up over banning Red Skull and Hydra cosplays, and how you would need to ban Vader and Empire cosplays in general because they committed atrocities greater than real or fictional Nazis ever did, and they're essential space Nazis.
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>>9648041
There's also the fact that Chaplin's movies are, you know, art
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>>9646755
People won't get mad that you're cosplaying him. They'll get mad at the character for what he's done and they may be asspies to you because of it.

One of my friends did Joseph from Dream Daddy after it had just came out and the asspie teens of the con decided to be weird dicks to him all day, telling him he's a horrible person and how could he do that to his wife and the dad ect. It was so stupid.

As long as your character isn't a Nazi (large amount of hellsing) or KKK member go for it on cosplay. Just don't black face or anything like that
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>>9647087
They'll move back to YOI when the movie comes out, unfortunately.

>Dangit Ronpal
Damn, that's great.
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>>9647966
I'd still think people would judge you if you decided to grow a mustache like your idol Charlie Chaplain.
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>>9648048
19 but I am incredibly paranoid and am not the best at understanding people.
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>>9646879
You should peep the YouTube threads over at /y/. It’s insane and brutally autistic.
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>>9648087
>telling him he's a horrible person and how could he do that to his wife and the dad ect. It was so stupid.
I dont have interest in playing that what the fuck did he do to have random people saying that?
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>>9647087
>2011
Oh my god... no... it hasn't felt that long. No. Where has the time gone? Fuck me.
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>>9646879
>It's like when people write Youtuber fanfiction

Fuck those people, that shit is always weird and cringey
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>>9648000
Holy shit those barbies

There's too far and then there's hilarious
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>>9648955
Not a damn thing. He just dressed as the character. Said character strings along your character while semi cheating on his wife with you, only to go back to her in the end to work things out. Then theres the whole secret cult ending that everyone knows about but cant do that makes him an actual demon.
But yeah he just dressed as the character. The teen brats in bad costumes would try to rile him up about anything. It was super stupid.
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>>9648000
I mean, you got to understand that certain social groups have a very high degree of societal ineptitude.

They dont really get a pass but hey, everyone will still think they're retarded.
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>>9646812
If someone asks you to get in the fucking robot don't consider it a serious threat anon
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>>9647039
Would you move to Latveria, /ceeg/? I would. In a heartbeat. I'd work my ass off every waking hour in the mines so that one day, DOOM himself may allow me to fellate him as a reward.
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>>9646792
Actually I read the other day about shit like this legitimately happening to Goro Akechi cosplayers.
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>>9651821
Goro at least semi redeems himself though...
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>73 posts and no one has posted it

GRIFFITH DID NOTHING WRONG
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>>9651859
This is /cgl/, not /a/ yo
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What do y'all make of this?
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>>9651894
They're usually the type of people that go around yelling "Fiction is reality! If there's a two year difference between a couple then it's pedophilia! Video games cultivates violence in children! If you like a 'problamatic' character then you deserve death!"These people spend a majority of their time on Tumblr, regurgitating whatever bullshit opinion gets thrown in their general direction and sending death threats to so called 'problamatic' people. It's disgusting what they do but unless you're one of the Top 50 People Who Are Opressed and Unproblamatic that they follow, then they're going to dismiss you as a nobody and treat you like shit.
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>>9651954
Whoa easy there, your robot is showing.
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No one is beautiful enough to cosplay Griffith anyways
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>>9646784
>>9646755
GRIFFITH DID NOTHING WRONG
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>>9649533
Yeah there are many people who will make snap judgements over the whole community over shit like this.
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>>9652005
A fact

>>9652136
A LIE
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>>9651894
I think this is exaggerated. It would of been talked about way more if it actually happened. Especially the coke on the crow costume one. Also betting the person who "threw the beer bottle" was a underage drinker cause that sounds like a tumblr baby.

The only part that probably happened was the person asking them to not be in the photo, and their friend is kind of a dick. If someone wants to take a picture of you, and you have a friend from the same thing you ask the person taking the pic if they want that person in it too. Not force yourself in and get mad when they don't want you.
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>>9652136
the only thing griffith is doing wrong is not having more homosex with everyone in sight
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Last time I crossplayed some dude grabbed my ass, never again.
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>>9652298
Now you understand how Casca felt.
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>>9652287
Griffith was an insecure homo, who was afraid of getting boners for guys. It's why he did his "see, I'm not gay" rape of Casca
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>>9652306
Getting your ass grabbed by a male is gross.
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>>9646755
It's only immoral to cosplay characters badly anon

(This was taken the weekend of the Solar Eclipse over summer, where I realized the potential for a picture was great, but only had a morning and a Walmart to make a costume)
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>>9652286
The coke on the costume was legit, there are pics to prove it.
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Seriously people who confuse fiction with real life should be sent to re-education camps to get those sticks pulled out of their ass. Cosplay whatever you want anon.
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>>9652286
The cosplayer who made this post >>9651894 posted in the comments the coke-stained shirt. Not that it couldn't be faked or that they didn't spill it on themselves, but I don't see why someone would lie about that considering how pretty much everyone I know who's cosplayed Goro has a story about randos insulting them just for cosplaying Goro, so I can see whiny tumblrbrats taking their "FICTION IS REALITY" bullshit too far and starting to physically assault cosplayers.
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>>9652286
>I think this is exaggerated.
Nope. Some people actually behave this way. Not normal people, but it's not like you're asked for your mental health history at the convention door. And some people don't want to make a big deal out of it because they don't want to be questioned or accused of lying so you don't hear about every single case that happens.
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I'd like to one day bring back my old Schrodinger cosplay. It was sort of a baby's first cosplay from a few years ago, so it has some imperfections, especially with the epaulets. Despite that, it was a bit popular, but I think I can make it better. I just need to find a better shirt and modify it. It was one I found at Goodwill but it's too wide. I had to use a scrunchy to tighten the back of it. Plus, the wig needs to be trimmed a bit in the front. Only problem is that I worry SJWs will harass and/or attack me at cons, thinking I'm a real Nazi. A while ago, I asked about bringing back my Schrodinger cosplay on FB. One person discouraged me from doing it. I don't even have a Nazi armband. I made mine out of felt and put a Maltese cross on it instead of a swastika. The person discouraging me from bringing back Schrodinger said even wearing a Maltese cross on the armband is pushing it. What do, anons? Should I just wait a few years for the political climate to cool down before bringing him back? I just don't want to get beat up over a costume.
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>>9654216
Can't you just do the cosplay without the armband?
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>>9654216
If you are going with friends it shouldn't be a problem. Frankly I don't see the climate cooling at all for the next couple of years, so your only issue is getting jumped by some crazy. You could pull a Wolfenstein Germany edition and use a skull and crossbones or simply a blank ring.
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>>9654264
>>9654269
Suppose I could do without the armband, but it would just feel a bit lacking. Maybe I could change the symbol to a smiley or a black heart, something not offensive. Also, using a buddy system sounds like a good idea just in case.
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>>9654216
Do no arm band or the wolfenstein route. For sure have a friend.
and while you probably wouldn't do it, for the love of fuck don't do the salute.
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>>9654216
Greyscale thinking emoji.
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>>9654216
It is a costume that would go far more smoothly if you had a Hellsing group. I wouldn't wear the costume outside the convention ground. If you must wear it in public, I'd make sure to take off the armband when traveling outside the convention. You could just make the armband without the symbol. That's fairly common. Honestly, there's a lot of uniforms and costume designs based of Nazi regalia. Hell, the director for Nicki Minaj's Only video admitted that the uniforms and imagery in the video were taken directly from the Nazis. Equally, you aren't glorifying anything, but it is tricky... you'll likely offend someone who hasn't seen the show.
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>>9646792
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>>9647042
>>9647060
>>9647966


People send death threats the game of thrones villains all the time. Real life actors, get threats and harassment because retards think they aren't acting. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch to assume cosplayers would gain the same kind of attentions from autists.

There are some people who cannot separate fantasy from reality and cannot control their emotions enough to try not to act on it.
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>>9646755
>Griffith
>doing something wrong
I know this gets meme'd a lot but it's clear Casca enjoyed it, hell she fucking sticks her tongue out to french kiss him at one point.
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>>9647949
>>9647966
Ah, what a relieve. Then I can wear my Hitler cosplay without hesitations since I'm not gloryfing the mass-murder of jewish people.

On a serious note, nobody's able to look what's going on inside your mind or heart.
They will only see a guy in a Hitler costume and assume you're ok with him and everything he stands for. At least as long as you don't provide for a fitting context to wear said Hitler costume. Nobody took Chaplin for a nazi-lover because he played the role of a hitler-looking dictator in a film that was very obviously meant to be satire and criticism of the political situation in Germany of that time.

You have no context= People will make their own assumptions
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>>9656223
Please stop normalizing and justifying rape.
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>>9657189
"""""rape"""""
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Just play along as your character. Be the heel of the party. Everyone will lovehate you for it.
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>>9654216
Do it with the armband. then just find some other Helsing cosplayers so you don't stick out as much.

Or find some Felix cosplayers so you can have a "cute catboys" group.
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>>9657189
It's not rape if their pupils turn into hearts, ask any lawyer.
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>>9646755
I'd say you only run into problems if you're cosplaying as an actual historical figure who was a baddie. Like dressing up as Hitler or the Zodiac Killer or something.
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>>9659110
I think some people would enjoy a Ted Cruz cosplay.
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You can cosplay anyone. In a perfect world, it'd be even okay to change your complexion, if you did it correctly, but racism is still a touchy subject thanks to asshats promoting it and shit, so for now leave the makeup at home. Maybe in another 200 years someone won't bat an eye at a white person playing Blade with make-up or a black person playing Daenerys with makeup, assuming both go all out and perfect their makeup techniques (and not offensive caricatures)
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>>9659598
But are we going to pretend that white people get more shit when race-bending characters?
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>>9646820
I could not have voiced this sentiment better than you have
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>>9660959
Not that guy but wait what? Everyone considers blackface to be the worst thing ever, even and maybe even especially white people. Not sure what you're getting at. Definitely not defending blackface, it's in bad taste 100% of the time with almost no exceptions but yes, if you're white and you wear it, you get wayyy more shit for it than anyone else and probably deservedly so. Also just look at all the accusations of whitewashing that get thrown around 24/7 at literally anything and everything media-related. I mean I dunno maybe we live in different worlds
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>>9660959
>>9659598

Mostly you're fine 'blackfacing' in europe. Black people aren't as sensitive there. Also cosplayers get that you're being accurate and not offensive.
But you better not spam FB or tumblr with your cosplay photos.
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>>9663431
Don’t listen, everyone gets jealous dyed for blackface
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>>9647111
The time I spent in 2013 on Tumblr in the Dangan Ronpa fan community was unironically one of the most fun times of my life. I'm glad I grew up, though, and didn't go the way of the rest of those shitters.
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>>9646755
Do what you want
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>>9656248
except there is a difference between """"cosplaying"""" an actual person from history with a loyal following worldwide and cosplaying a FICTION villain that everyone knows doesn't exist. I've cosplayed Bellatrix from Harry Potter multiple times "out of context" and got no shit for it.




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