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>>3119127
>>3119102 is Maguri and Maora they're a couple from a licensed shoujo manga called The gentlemens alliance. >>3119105 is a character from Fuuka
>>3119107 is Juuzo from Danganronpa 3
>>3119122 are from Persona 2
>>3119124 I'm unsure about actually but the art style looks like assanation classroom
>>3119126 is Sweden from Hetalia.
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>>3119171
Most characters of the "mysterious white-haired boy" archetype fit.
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>>3119102
Do bi characters count? If so, then Anri.
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thanks >>3119134
the least anons could do when they post a character is also post their names/anime
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Besides the gay, mysterious white/grey haired boys also tend to have bad taste in men, die young and do stupid things for plot. Some come back later, though (for a second round of pain and suffering).

>Aru Akise, from Mirai Nikki
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Speaking of white haired boys
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>>3119215
And Shion was not even white haired to start with.

>>3119197
This is very true.

>>3119178
This is Anri, from Adekan. More of him on this post. A lot of the manga plays with homoerotic vibes so virtually everyone is dubiously gay but Anri straight out states he is fine with both men and women so he falls into the 'depraved bisexual' category.

And in a manga in which the main is known for stripping at the drop of a hat, Anri's fetish clothes still stand out as, well, fetish clothes.
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>>3119170
Don't forget his boyfriend.
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>>3119174
Not all of them are canon gay, though. Some of it is just fanservice or "implications".
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>>3119639
I said "most."
the one I posted definitely applies, though.
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>>3116485
He sure does have a twisted way of showing his love though.
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He's not going to get the dude, though, so there's no point in watching.
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>>3119781
Source please?
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>>3119820
Koi to Uso
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>>3119820
Koi to Uso
(Love and Lies)
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>>3119821
>>3119822
Thanks
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>>3119781
>>3119822
Shame, he's really cute.
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>>3119947
Is this taken from the actual manga?
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>>3119215
reminder that the anime is fucking garbage and the manga is where it's at
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>>3120027
That's right, an official English release is coming out august.
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>>3120030
Does it get any better? I stopped around the school festival I think. I know best boy won't win, but does the weird love triangle with the two girls become any less tiring?
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>>3120033
There is still a lot of love triangle shenenagains but the plot itself does get better and Nisaka is great. The whole being gay in a society that won't accept you side plot with him is something that isn't usually explored in non-BL manga.
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>>3120043
It's always good when they show such a struggle

Hope he'll be happy
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>>3120043
Even in BL, it is often not brought up at all, to be honest.
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>>3120045
Oh dog this series
My heart was too weak for that shit
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I really, really love Ten and Taiyou's dynamic. If anyone else knows of other shojo with BL side couples (who get a happy ending), I'd love to read them.
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>>3120063
Woah, haven't read this in ages, they're a couple now?
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>>3120072
Yes, and the author published a spin-off oneshot that gets pretty explicit. Definitely worth reading.
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>>3120076
Nice, will check out.
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>>3120045
I just read 13 chapters of this and I need more. I have no idea if I can trust volleyball dude and it's killing me. I haven't enjoyed something that much since Bokura no Hentai.
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>>3120080
Next volume should be out in Japan next month.
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I'm confused my yuri on ice. It's like the creators want to make the gayest show possible, but not have the characters be explicitly gay. Is implied homo the only thing that sells?
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>>3120225
Brace for impact
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>>3120080
>>3120083
I'm kinda thinking that the volleyball guy is a closet homo, would be interesting if they decided to go that route.
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>>3120225
>Is implied homo the only thing that sells?
yes
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>>3120225
Well they're clearly a couple and you could argue that Yuri is bi due to him previously having a crush on his female childhood friend and you could consider Victor to be gay since he dressed up like an iconic gay skater.
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Can an innocent human weapon and a male hooker find love?
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>>3120028

dont they fuck in the light novel? like not explicitly but
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>>3120973
Shion explicitly mentions Nezumi giving him a boner but I don't think it's goes beyond that.
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>>3120508
oh shit nigga

>>3120243
i think it's far more likely
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>>3119636

Shinji's bi though?
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>>3121245
Still counts for this thread, canon bi is okay too.
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>>3121247

Awesome canon bisexuals are the best.
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>>3121258
Oh man, Fruits Basket. Never seen a series bait and switch so hard.

>oh turns out, despite all the implied homolust up till now, that literally everyone is actually straight thanks to a series of asspulls! Hooray!!! Stop making yaoi art/fic of my characters now pls I am actually a homophobe
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lol I accidentally put the captcha into the body of the text??????
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>>3121271

Did she really say that?

I love Fruits Basket but damn, why does everyone outside of Kagura/Momiji need to get a damn bf/gf? I don't even think its a homolust thing, just the most random stuff. Ritsu and the editor? ...Hanajima and Kyou's dad???

Ayame may have counted as bisexual too, though its hard to tell when he's never serious.
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I hate bisexual rapists. I hate all rapists natch but like something about bisexual rapist just makes me #triggered. I get that its supposed to be like "wow he's so evil and so rapist he will rape ANYONE" (or the PG version "so evil he will be ridiculously creepy to ANYONE") something but idk.

Akio, Nakago, Gilgamesh, Gauron, Hisoka. More probably.
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Pic related sorry
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Setting aside his insecurities about handicrafts (whatever), he's attracted to Naoto when he believes she's a boy, he's attracted to Naoto when he discovers she's a girl, canon bisexual QED.
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>>3121261
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>>3121277
I think the worst asspull was suddenly revealing Akito is a woman in like the last book to ensure the Shigure/Akito endgame was heterosexual. IIRC Natsuki Takaya wasn't a fan of all the yaoi her series produced despite obviously trying to b8 fujos.
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>>3121473

Akito being a woman is revealed in Vol 17, which is a long way away from the end (Vol 23). Its more like 70% of the way through the series tbqh and came out at the same time as her and Shigure's history. I didn't think it was that big of an asspull, its a bit of a twist (especially if you watched the anime where she was cast with the most masculine voice actor imaginable) but not a very unbelievable one.

Furuba isn't really a fujobait series I don't think. There's a bisexual guy (probably my favorite anime bisexual of all time), some weird homoerotic banter coming from Ayame which you can take either way. Also Yuki's male classmates seem to think he's hot as a girl? If that's fujobait I think most shows ever are fujobait.
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Demon gaze 2 has a gay guy you can romance, by extension, this also makes the protagonist bi.
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>>3121633

Isnt that some weird Bonobo chimp thing where their dystopian society conditions children to hump each other to relieve stress? Because otherwise they might use their powers to destroy the world?

I know it gets good ratings and all that but damn that show was 2 stupid 4 me.
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>>3121489
Everything was no-homoed around the same time of the reveal, though.

>If that's fujobait I think most shows ever are fujobait.
yes
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>>3121489
>defending this trash

They've got the crossdressing dude, they've got Haru, they've got Ayame flirting with Shigure, they had Shigure/Akito (the gender reveal was an asspull, don't kid yourself), shotabait, and even jokes about sexual tension between Yuki and Kyo. Making literally every character straight was ridiculous.
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>>3121489
>Reveal was in 6 out of 23 volumes
>"It was totally believable guys!!!"

What are you doing on /cm/, Natsuki Takaya? Haven't found work since you revealed you were a hack?
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>>3121753

1) Crossdressing =/= gay.
2) Hatsuharu is bisexual. He was never revealed to be "straight". Like....I'm trying really hard to not tell you to fuck off, but bisexuals exist, and a bisexual doesn't stop being bisexual just because they end up in a relationship with someone of the opposite gender. Lots of bisexuals, if not most, do end up with someone of the opposite gender. Shigure's editor was also revealed to be bisexual in extra materials (she doesn't know if Ritsu is male or female and doesn't really care).
3) Ayame's flirting with Shigure was always played as a joke and his actual love interest is given very early on. Many people still interpret him as bi though, if you want to take those jokes seriously (or his joke at the student council).
4) Shigure/Akito's past was revealed at the same time as Akito's gender, which is far far less of an asspull than most "trap" characters considering Akito always looked like a woman. (Since Yuki and Ritsu also look feminine though, it gave her some deniability).
5) IDK what you even mean by shotabait? Hiro? What does Hiro have to do with anything and when was he ever sexualized? Also why would sexualized children have to do with being gay? What?
6) You are scraping here. Are you talking about when Shigure said they "fight like an old married couple"? If you ever read the series they have about zero sexual tension or really much of a relationship at all. Yuki was a rival figure to Kyo when he was young, since he was told that the only way the cat can be accepted into the Zodiac is to defeat the rat. He doesn't really know Yuki as anything more than a symbol and he outgrows it pretty early on. He was always shown as straight.

> Making literally every character straight was ridiculous.
2 bisexual characters and maybe 3 if you want to count Ayame. Most series have far FAR less. Please don't troll with biphobic garbage just to get a (you) this is a blue board and I work at a bisexual factory.
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>>3121762
>biphobic
tumblr pls

haru and ayame were cured of teh gay by women
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>>3121762
>2 bisexual characters and maybe 3 if you want to count Ayame

Only 1, faggot, the rest is reaching. And even then, it doesn't seem to be taken seriously in the slightest and is more of a "I make an exception for this one guy". Haru has been deeply in love with Rin from the start. Barely even counts.

>Shigure/Akito's past was revealed at the same time as Akito's gender

There were implications long before then that they had a deeper relationship and that Shigure was devoted to her. But then, bam, the gender reveal came out of nowhere, almost like a "no homo". There were no implications prior that even hinted that she was female. Hell, the anime was made while the manga was in works and even they had no clue she'd suddenly wind up female.

>3) Ayame's flirting with Shigure was always played as a joke

Still fujobait. You moving goalposts now? Do you even know what fujobait is?

>5) IDK what you even mean by shotabait?

Momiji. Girly shotabait is a classic fujobait trope, even Ouran High School Host Club spoofed it.

Furuba is shit, the author is notoriously homophobic and there's a reason the series is a forgotten relic. Stop sucking her clit and derailing the thread.
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>>3121755
Nice math, but since the reveal happens IN 17 (and early on, ch 97 iirc), that means 7 out of 23 volumes, about 2/3 through.

Looking at volumes where Akito actually plays a role and isn't just a throwaway shadow/villain (or not appearing at all), there are 14. So it happens roughly halfway for Akito's role in the story.

And ALL of Akito's development comes afterward. Pre-reveal Akito shows up as an evil and abusive figure and nothing else. It comes later in the story because reaching Akito and learning about Akito comes later in the story, as the curse on the zodiac starts to unravel.

>>3121752
>>3121765

Ayame's girlfriend is introduced almost straightaway, enough that her relationship is shown with him in the anime where he gives that weird hand embrace since he can't actually hug her.

Hatsuharu's girlfriend shows up in volume 8, like pretty early on (same volume Ritsu gets introduced for the record), and his attraction to women is given at his first appearance (he likes embracing women if they are cute). He's literally always shown to be bisexual.

So who got "no homoed"? And don't say Shigure since he was always shown to be attracted to women and his history with Akito doesn't appear until the reveal anyway, at most he would be bisexual and apparently bisexuals don't real. Kureno for the same reason--his history with Akito is given the same time as the gender reveal.

Like its super ugly because Fruits Basket has THE best portrayals of a bisexual guy I can think of in a shoujo.
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>>3121768

>Only 1, faggot, the rest is reaching. And even then, it doesn't seem to be taken seriously in the slightest and is more of a "I make an exception for this one guy". Haru has been deeply in love with Rin from the start. Barely even counts.
Wow almost like bisexuals can still fall deeply in love. Who knew. I thought they were all psycho sluts, but like a bisexual deeply in love and devoted??? Unheard of!!

But yeah, Ayame might be reaching to call him bi since straight guys make stupid "durr lol I'm acting gay" jokes too, and Shigure's editor's bisexuality was only mentioned in extra materials. But Hatsuharu is an amazing character.

>There were implications long before then that they had a deeper relationship and that Shigure was devoted to her.
OK...? But that's not the same as a sexual relationship, which is revealed at the same time as the gender. There was never a "homo" to "no" (especially since the posters here seem super dismissive of bisexuals so even if Akito was a guy he'd never be the true "homo" they want him to be.

Also Shigure acts kinda ambivalent towards Akito desu.

>Furuba is shit
Furuba is great, sorry you hate bisexuals.
> the author is notoriously homophobic
Where? For all her notorious homophobia if you google Natsuki Takaya and homophobia literally nothing comes up. ALSO I don't want to hear about "homophobia" from someone as obnoxiously biphobic as you. You literally just finished implying that a bisexual "in love" is not a serious bisexual. Nope.
> derailing the thread.
No you. You went into a canon gay thread, where bisexuals were welcome, then took one of the best series for male bisexual representation in all manga especially shoujo representation and started erasing bisexual people and screeching about "shoujobait" because......like nothing. Literally nothing. Fuck off.
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>>3121800
> He's literally always shown to be bisexual.

LOL

Except he turns out to have never been bisexual. His crush on Yuki was just a kid's thing and then he moved straight to Rin.

When was Haru ever into guys other than Yuki (which he really wasn't)?

Stop reaching. Haru being bi is not canon. He doesn't belong in this thread nor does anyone else from furuba.
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>>3121824
>FURUBA IS GREAT BECAUSE ONE BISEXUAL REEEEEEEE BIPHOBIA!!!

Shut the fuck up, no one cares. Make a FB thread so you can sperg about your mediocre series there.

Now back to posting actual gay characters and not fujob8 that are actually straight.
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This picture triggers biphobic fujo garbage. (also wow originally I just posted him for the nostalgia I forgot how great he is).
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>>3121824
>then took one of the best series for male bisexual representation in all manga

Imagine being this delusional. Protip: bisexuals don't exist in most Japanese media. His "crush" was clearly treated as a childhood thing that he didn't take seriously and never pursued. He literally never showed interest in any other males and any attention he gave to Yuki (which was, like, once? As his depraved bipolar version, no less?) was done for the sake of a joke. He was obsessed with Rin from the beginning. I get that you're desperate for bisexual representation, but Haru is shit for that.
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>>3121837
>being this triggered
>thinking any character in Fruits Basket is great
>being 12

Why are you posting examples of him being straight in a gay thread, you spazz?
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>>3121835

Sorry I don't speak biphobic garbage. Also your being biphobic has nothing to do with disliking Fruits Basket. Claiming bisexuals aren't real makes you biphobic, saying bisexuals can't fall in love is biphobic, acting like bisexuals in committed relationships with opposite gender are straight is biphobic, treating bisexual representation as secondary to homosexual representation makes you biphobic. Also I am going to keep posting bisexuals and you will have to get over it.

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>>3121839

>Except he turns out to have never been bisexual. His crush on Yuki was just a kid's thing and then he moved straight to Rin.
Yes, bisexuals exist even as children. Wow. And bisexuals magically don't stop being bisexual just because they get a girlfriend. Guess what? There are bisexuals who literally only ever date one person in their whole lives, because monogamy is not exclusive with bisexuality. Hatsuharu has 2 love interests, one male (that he moved on from), one female (in the present). Hatsuharu also is the one who got Yuki out of the Sohma main house and his crush on Yuki literally changed his entire life.

>When was Haru ever into guys other than Yuki (which he really wasn't)?
He was really into Yuki and he still even lightly flirts with Yuki even though Yuki is straight. Like when was Tohru ever into guys other than Kyou? When was Kyou into girls other than Tohru? Why do you accept Tohru as straight but not Hatsuharu as bisexual? You sound like the same biphobic retards who want to deny Shinji is gay because he has one male love interest but its seriously not a fucking numbers game.

Bisexuals can be in love and deeply in love with either men or women. They are no less bisexual.
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>>3121840

Oh SHOOT I forgot whenever bisexuals are attracted to someone of the opposite gender they magically become straight! Woops!! The only way someone can be bisexual is if they literally are actively having sex with men and women at the same time.

Name one bisexual guy from a shoujo better than Hatsuharu. You'd need to stretch for any manga at all desu but I can see where it might be debatable for other demographics.
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Why Hatsuharu is great:

-Amazingly loving towards his gf (apparently "not all bisexuals are heartless sluts" is a lesson that still is revolutionary even almost 20 years later wow). Has a romance that probably ends up outshining the hetero main couple.
-Open and unashamed about his sexual attraction to his male cousin and helped to free him from the extremely abusive main house
-Also very loving towards his little cousins like Kisa and Hiro, true pillar of the family.
-Tells assholes to fuck off.
-Triggers biphobes
-Turns into a cow and carries people on his back.
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Kind of cheating maybe, but it is published in a shounen mag...
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>>3121852

I may well be autistic, but if you don't stand up for your bisexual anime husbando then who will you stand up for?

Eyuuki's another bisexual in a relationship with a woman. Romantic lead even.
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>biphobic rant
Please be trolling, please.

>>3121842
>Like when was Tohru ever into guys other than Kyou?
When she was also into Yuki? Have you missed the love triangle part?

>retards who want to deny Shinji is gay
Good point, Shinji and Kaworu were confirmed by word of god multiple times.

On the other hand, Takaya herself prohibited even homosexual fanworks of her characters.

>Bisexuals can be in love and deeply in love with either men or women. They are no less bisexual.

We are talking about fiction, not reality. Things happen because the author said so. And the author said "no gay". And there was no gay. Behold.
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>>3121858
Kill yourself.
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>>3121258
>>3121858

o is this headcanon tumblr thread now?
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>>3121870

>When she was also into Yuki? Have you missed the love triangle part?
She was never into Yuki romantically or sexually. They were friends, the way Tohru is friends with Arisa, Hana, Momiji, etc. The love triangle was on their part not hers. The only person who she actually expresses attraction for is Kyou.

>On the other hand, Takaya herself prohibited even homosexual fanworks of her characters.
>And the author said "no gay". And there was no gay. Behold.

lol fuck off you are making shit up to justify your garbage biphobia. Like....she wrote at least one bisexual character (possibly 2) and she added another in extra materials. So what are you talking about? Give a source to that or fuck off.

"Uhhh I know he is bisexual in the story but the author said he wasn't, she changed her mind and said its not canon anymore. It doesn't show up on google and I don't have a source but you need to trust me I was there she no bisexuals allowed ok"
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>>3121873

Hatsuharu is canon bisexual. Biphobes denying it are the ones who are posting headcanon.
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>>3121854
Who's he from?
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>>3121835
Amen.
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>>3121877
well if he fell in love with a boy then he's bisexual innit
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>>3121880
Sanada Kou from Sorairo Flutter

https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=139385
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>>3121958
Thanks.
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Looks cute, shame there isn't anywhere to read it in english.
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>>3121894

well no shit but apparently fujos of /cm/ are biphobic to the point of being retarded so idk
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>>3121995
how do you know it's a fujo

maybe it's a boy like lots of us
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>>3120045
Honestly can't wait for the next chapter, these types of plots are so rarely explored and it's great.
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>>3122001
this shit is brilliant, attention drawing to a sad reality, therapeutic and emotionally appealing

they're really doing a great job
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>>3122004
Yeah, hopefully if it gets enough attention it could get officially licensed. I really want this kind of manga to succeed and have people know these types of stories are popular.
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>>3121877
that was a running gag in the series (making yuki uncomfortable with the whole childhood crush thing)
have you even read the manga yourself
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>>3121995
No, fujos on /cm/ are delusional and start calling faggots homophobic because we don't partake in your bulshit.

Go burn some more Tokyo Ghoul volumes and tell the author to commit suicide because straight characters aren't gay.

And stop posting characters who aren't confirmed gay in the CANON thread. Especially when there's already a thread for ambiguously gay characters.
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>>3122035
>>3122040

Haru's CANON bisexual get over it.

>h the whole childhood crush thing
Whoa I wonder what kind of person gets a crush on both males and females, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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>>3121824
>one of the best series for male bisexual representation in all manga
Haha.
Read more manga and also dial back on the projection.
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Have a damaged gay megane and bi best boy.
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>>3122053
there's a huge difference between childhood crush and wanting to bang both genders
unless you are telling me that little kids have a perfect notion of what sexuality is
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>>3122066
They look cute, where are they from?
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>>3122087
Bokura no Hentai
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>>3122055

I've read a ton of manga, posted more bisexuals ITT than the rest of the thread combined, and no. Most male bisexuals in Japanese media including manga tend to be bisluts, evil or mentally fucked up. (Sometimes all 3). Even in BL the vast majority of bisexuals end up having their bisexuality fetishized. Evil, promiscuous, or mentally fucked up characters can be fun and I'm glad we have them but it seems bullshit that the majority of bisexuals fall into those categories.

Hatsuharu is none of those, and he's a well written character with a solid romantic/personal arc, and he was introduced in a popular shoujo almost 20 years ago. He is literally one of the best. Like taste is subjective and all, and you might have bisexual male characters you enjoy more, but nah.

>>3122070

.......are you saying kids can't be bisexual or what? NOBODY has "perfect notions of sexuality" (wtf) but everyone expresses their romantic/sexual attraction as is appropriate for their age and development. ALSO Hatsuharu is still pretty open about his sexual attraction and devotion to Yuki even in the present day (even if he 100% respects that Yuki does not feel the same way and supports his happiness and growth as any good shoujo runner up would).

Is there any other biphobic canards you would like to give out? Can you seriously not help yourself? You seriously need to keep on inventing more reasons why bisexuals aren't real? Made a bisexual 3x3 for u btw.
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Ao no flag has a closeted gay character in it if anyone is interested.
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>>3122096
you just posted a bunch of gag panels when he's talking about yuki
he's only ever serious about rin
oh, and haru's black personality is a depraved bisexual, btw

and sexuality in kids is completely different from adults: even if they feel pleasure on a basic level, a kid is neither mentally nor biologically prepared to know what to look for in sex yet
stop being a pedophile

also, for someone so tumblr triggered, shouldn't you be using the term biromantic instead
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>>3122112

>you just posted a bunch of gag panels when he's talking about yuki
Serious and gag panels with both Yuki and Rin. That "days will pass and I wish for your happiness" and "you still have me" is him to Yuki. Also while Yuki/Tohru's reactions are played for humor (eh), Hatsuharu isn't joking about it the way its played with Ayame.

>oh, and haru's black personality is a depraved bisexual, btw
lol I thought you said he was straight??? Nice random 180 right in the middle of your post. Its like you only see bisexuals when they start acting openly flirtatious (or ""depraved""?).

"Black Haru" is just Hatsuharu losing his inhibitions. He normally bottles up everything and is super deadpan, but when he can't or doesn't want to bottle up anymore he releases those emotions in a destructive manner. Black/white aren't 2 separate people, one flows into the other. When Rin dumps White Haru, Black Haru destroys the classroom. The fact that his release of emotion also makes him more openly flirtatious towards Yuki ("worse than Kagura") just underlines the fact that white Haru isn't "just kidding" when he says how much he loves Yuki. (duh) As he matures through he ends up dealing with his emotions appropriately and stops going black.

>and sexuality in kids is completely different from adults
Obvs. sexuality in teenagers is also different from adults, which is why the age of consent is at 16-18 and not at 13. But that doesn't erase sexuality altogether, kids/teens can be gay or bi just like they can be straight, they just express it differently as is age appropriate.

> for someone so tumblr triggered, shouldn't you be using the term biromantic instead
Nah because he's also sexually attracted to Yuki as a teenager. But if it helps you to use the term "biromantic" go ahead idc.
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>>3119171
Not even remotely canon.
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>>3122120
black haru is bi for the lulz

and age of consent is cultural, not medical
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When are you faggots gonna drop this autistic argument?
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>>3121966
>>3121988
Only one volume is out so far so I hope someone picks it up.

>>3122011
I really want both Shimanami Tasogare and Sorairo Flutter (which has a lot of the same themes) to succeed. I'm afraid if publishers see these as a failed experiment that'll be the end.
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>>3122128
Nigga, have you seen the drama cd?
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>>3122139
Shimanami tasogare is actually getting a lot of popularity and the author is known for including LGBT themes in her work, Shounen note has LGBT themes and Nabari no ou has a subtextual gay couple in it which were confirmed to be written as lovers on her tumblr.
Hopefully they'll be good news at some point in the future regarding publishing.
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>>3119530
Sauce?
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>>3120083
>That part in which he had to pretend to be straight in front of his friend and his friend went "Of course I know you could not be gay, teheh"
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>>3120225
>It's like the creators want to make the gayest show possible, but not have the characters be explicitly gay.
It's not like we live in a society in which male homosexuality is shunned.

This said, I wouldn't call Yuri on Ice >implied

Yamagi was implied before ep 20-21. This wasn't. There is nothing subtle about YoI.
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>>3122159
Fragments of love, it's a yuri manga but it has a gay guy as one of the main characters.
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>>3121641
Everyone is Bi in SSY. Sexual attraction to people on the same sex is consider normal and encouraged among teenagers.

Adults can get married only heterosexuality if they want, but free sex is encouraged.

The first time Saki and Satoru fuck, they are both thinking of Shun.
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>>3121835
I fucking love Yoko Taro
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>>3122151
>Nabari no ou has a subtextual gay couple in it which were confirmed to be written as lovers on her tumblr.

Which one?
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Rider is confirmed Bi.

>>3119107
I fucking loved Juzo. One of the few times a gay character's death didn't feel out of place.
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>>3121873
Samumenco is not gay.

>>3121283
Nope, shitty bait and switch.
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>>3122171
>Samumenco is not gay.
u dont say

>headcanon tumblr thread
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>>3122128
Let's conveniently forget his confession in the game, his confession in the drama CD and his behaviour throughout the anime.
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>>3122096
>Haru's bisexuality
>not mentally fucked up
Okay.
Dial back the projection.
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>>3122170
I genuinely wasn't expecting them to go full homo with him. And damn did he redeem himself.
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>>3122177
he's from danganronpa, right?
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The character on the right, not the left.
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>>3122168
Gau and Raiko, they even live together so it's not a huge surprise
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i dont like this tsundere <w> but its cute when its not an annoying pussy
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>>3122651
>:P
Stop it.

Also confirmation is retarded.
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>>3122624
Posting a character from a BL series is kinda cheating.
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>>3122676
Well, it's just strange that they leave anything open when Yuri On Ice is definitely gay. I don't think anyone's gonna argue that wasn't their intention. So if it is their intention, then why leave anything ambiguous?
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>>3122802
Because there'd be an outcry if the series, as popular as it is, actually pushed for a normalization of same gender relationships.

Keep in mind this is Japan we are talking about. Sure, Ishikawa Taia actually got elected to as an openly gay politician, as a representative in Toshima, a ward in Tokyo, but the country is still a long, long way from viewing homosexuality as in any way normal.

YOI, for example, just teamed up with a hotel (ironically, in Toshima, Ikebukuro). Would this have happened if the anime was actually canonically gay? Probably not.

In other words, it's a case of playing it safe. Why bother to alienate many to please a demographic that is either too small to count (as in, gay people) or that will gobble it up if it's not made entirely overt (ie, fujos)?

It's a case of not rocking the boat too much. And having the cake and eating it, too: the anime can easily be seen as actually gay, which will please some of the viewership; without actually antagonizing many others by actually making overtly gay.
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>>3122812
He's cute!
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>>3122802
>So if it is their intention, then why leave anything ambiguous?
We already know ep 7 scene was censored because of producers. Also I would not call YoI ambiguous.
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>>3122805
Really good comment. I was considering the political climate because I know that gay people don't have the same marriage and housing rights in Japan, but then considering that they don't have a huge outcry against homosexuality like US had and there's not huge controversy over it in shows and film I doubted the possibility. Maybe it is the case tho? I've tried looking into more of Japan's view on homosexuality but most polls say that in recent years they're mostly accepting, at least socially.

>>3122818
I agree that it isn't ambiguous overall, but stuff like the kiss... why not just straight up show it if not for ambiguousness? Whether it was made that way by the studio or producer, they could've just made the kiss fully visable if they didn't want some level of ambiguousness.
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>>3122870
>>>3122818(You)
>I agree that it isn't ambiguous overall, but stuff like the kiss... why not just straight up show it if not for ambiguousness?
Because they couldn't. Sayo alredy confirmed she had to push for that scene to happen.

It's like you guys don't know how male homosexuality is treated.
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>>3122873
Thanks for the clarification on YOi

I'm wondering if there really is a disconnect between the actual Japanese people and how producers and company heads view homosexuality as controversial.
Just a thought.
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>>3122876
>I'm wondering if there really is a disconnect between the actual Japanese people and how producers and company heads view homosexuality as controversial.
But homosexuality IS controversial, even today. Go read about Koi no Uso or Shinsekai Yori reactions on sites like Mal or even /a/.


A lot of people also use anime as their escapist fantasies and a large part of the anime fanbase is made of whiny manchildrren who are used to get pandered and cannot even comprehend a show not aimed at them.
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>>3122878
I looked into both the manga/anime you described. Love and Lies (I believe is the English???) didn't really come back with a huge backlash. All the top reviews on MAL were positive and didn't really touch on homosexuality. The highest negative review was just some asshole screeching about a transgender character but no talk on homosexuality.
I did find some stuff on Shin Sekai Yori where people were talking about it but again there wasn't really any homophobia. I also tried googling both titles and "controversy" but still nothing really different came up.

And on the last point about pandering... A good part of people who watch anime are people not just there for bewbs and swords. Not every popular anime is SAO.
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>>3122886
>I did find some stuff on Shin Sekai Yori where people were talking about it but again there wasn't really any homophobia. I also tried googling both titles and "controversy" but still nothing really different came up.
What the fuck. We had weeks of thread on /a/ about the dudes kissing. The MAL thread has like 10+ pages of people bitching about the gay kiss (But not the Yuri one)

Jesus christ, they still bitch to this

>A good part of people who watch anime are people not just there for bewbs and swords.

I didn't say every, I said a lot.
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>>3122890
>>I did find some stuff on Shin Sekai Yori where people were talking about it but again there wasn't really any homophobia. I also tried googling both titles and "controversy" but still nothing really different came up.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=519471

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=519277
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>>3122894
Thanks, the links plus me looking through specifically episode 8 helped a lot.

I wish I actually knew the show better myself but it does have a lot of jimmies rustled for sure. It's crazy how upset people got (and some still get) over this show from 2012. Looking at a summary of this show and episode I'm wondering if there's something to how it's handled on top of the kind of show it is. A lot of people noted how weirdly it was handled in that there was a time skip and right afterwards there are two gay couples. There is quite a bit of people who just didn't want that in the show, on top of that I think there's a French kiss which probably doesn't make the shock any lighter.

Anyway I'm not denying homophobia over this anime. I just think that it's more complicated than that and the same goes for anime in general.
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>>3122870
If you want to know more about male homosexuality in Japan, I strongly suggest you read Ishikawa Taiga's autobiography, 'Boku no Kareshi wa Doko ni Iru?'
You'd have to read Japanese, though. At any rate, Ishikawa is an openly gay politician, currently a representative of the Toshima ward in Tokyo (where Otome Road is located, weirdly enough). He isn't just openly gay but his platform is entirely supportive of lgbt rights, complete with his showing with a rainbow flags at events.

He is actually not only the one either. There are at least other two that I know of, one of which is a lesbian.

With that said, this is Tokyo we are talking about. I cannot imagine Taiga standing a fighting stand anywhere else (perhaps Yokohama?) and chances of his ever getting to, say, the Diet, are slim to none.

Incidentally, some wards in Tokyo actually do have housing rights for same sex couples. Shibuya and a few others.

As for the lack of public outcry against homosexuality in Japan, as opposed to the very vocal anti-gay voices in the West, that has more to do with the fact lgbt rights are hardly ever discussed. It does not cause much controversy because it's not a public topic.

And there is outcry when it does get mentioned, actually. Just a few months ago, some ward representative in Tokyo made a statement to the effect of homosexuality being perverse. She was not alone in thinking so and was endorsed by others.

Back to YOI, as I got very off-topic, another reason for not making it actually gay may very well have to do with airing times. If the show opted to have an on-screen serious kiss between two males, it should be bumped to a later slot, more likely than not. And this can very well kill a show.
I'm not too sure this was a factor in YOI specifically but it is something that anime shows in general need to be very careful of.
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People are usually fine with male homosexuality when it's 1) Jokes 2) Stereotypes (T&B fire emblems) 3) Not explicit, anything else tend to make homophobes or the less tolerant uncomfortable because they don't like the idea of gay guys being like them and they tend to assume straight by default.

It's why I think you get all these no-homo kneejerk reaction every time there is a gay character that is not stated in plain text to be gay like pic related used to be.
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>>3122907
I agree on that, and will say that the fact that people are usually fine with it through stereotypes, jokes, and it not being explicit leads me to believe that the backlash can't all be attributed to straight up homophobia.

I also watched the episode of Shinsekai in question and it was very uncomfortable. The two guys get together at the beginning, French kiss and such, and then they break up like 5 minutes later. Huge difference from the two girl character's relationship, although they do have a kids and some tiddie touching.

>>3122902
Thank you so much for the info, I knew about some of the stuff like the Shibuya ward deal but the extra info is VERY appreciated!!
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>>3122916
>I also watched the episode of Shinsekai in question and it was very uncomfortable. The two guys get together at the beginning, French kiss and such, and then they break up like 5 minutes later. Huge difference from the two girl character's relationship, although they do have a kids and some tiddie touching.

The thing is poorly developed in the anime, but you don't tell me you believe if those were two girls and the scene played EXACTLY the same you would have gotten angry watches. Anime can get away with 8 years girl kissing with tongue (Prima Illya).


>I agree on that, and will say that the fact that people are usually fine with it through stereotypes, jokes, and it not being explicit leads me to believe that the backlash can't all be attributed to straight up homophobia.

There is more to homophobia than straight up hating homos. Some times it's subtle and it limits at being uncomfortable about them.
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>>3122907
I've never watched this show, but this looks like pedoshit rather than homosexuality. Unless the big guy is actually a teen?
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>>3122924
The difference in the kisses between the girls and the guys in this show is major.
The girls have more weight behind them in that they have more screentime together and it's not just kissing and stuff. Before the guy's kissing scene (and after the time skip) all we get is the opening shot where everyone in the school is suddenly gay. When the next scene is them on a hill French kissing it feels almost like I walked into a porn.
Prima Illya is a magical girls show so of course it's more accepted, girls are the ones watching magical girls shows and don't get as upset at guys over homosexuality.
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>>3122940
>girls are the ones watching magical girls shows

it hasn't been a girls-only genre since cutey honey
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>>3122951
Umm... There are definitely genres aimed specifically at girls and types of shows with mainly female audiences.
I'm wondering if I just misunderstood what you said or if I'm actually having to say that.
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>>3122940
>The girls have more weight behind them in that they have more screentime together and it's not just kissing and stuff.

Uh no, Maria and Saki never kissed before this episode.

>When the next scene is them on a hill French kissing it feels almost like I walked into a porn.

What the fuck. How is that even a porno. Beside, you are missing the point.

You think all these guys who dropped it and got angry calling it disgusting did it because they felt it was rushed and not on principle because they don't like male homosexuality?

>Prima Illya is a magical girls show so of course it's more accepted, girls are the ones watching magical girls shows and don't get as upset at guys over homosexuality.

lol, Prima/iIlya is the spinff of a FSN, a visual novel aimed at straight otaku. The anime/manga has pedo content aimed at otaku, it's not CCS or Sailor Moon, dummy.

I'm not sure what you are arguing? Homophobia don't exist.

Oh I forgot, check the reactions to Haruchika first episode.
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>>3122934
>Unless the big guy is actually a teen?
Yes, Yamagi and Shino are a couple of years apart max, but all the pilots in IBO don't look their age. (Pic related is the same age as them)
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>>3122952
you made it sound like magical girl shows are made only for girls, which is untrue
there are many series made only for guys, illya being one of them

and girls are just as anti-gay as guys in japan, if not more
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>>3122968
>and girls are just as anti-gay as guys in japan, if not more
How?
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>>3122969
ever talked to a japanese fujo
"yaoi is sexy but real gays are gross"
in fact, the whole BL genre is as far from gay as possible (is basically still otomeshit, just the chick happens to have a dick, which you won't even notice unless it's porn)... exceptions are like 1/100
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>>3122975
>ever talked to a japanese fujo
Yes, they have different opinions about things.

Either way the girls drawing gay porn are probably going to be less hostile to you in real life compared to the straight dudes that may punch you if they just see you.
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>>3122940
Others have said this before but the magical girl genre hasn't been aimed at girls for a long, long time. Illya in particular is most definitely not aimed at girls. I'm not even sure what got you the idea that it was, desu.

>>3122916
You're welcome. I just ordered Ishikawa's book and am eagerly waiting its arrival.

>>3122975
I wouldn't go as far as to say exceptions are that rare but without a doubt BL is not pro-gay and its main consumers, for the most part, have no interest in real gay men.
I'll go as far as to hazard a guess that a lot of BL mangaka themselves have never given much thought to lgbt matters at all.
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The protagonist probably could fall in the Ambigous thread, though I'm not sure I would call him gay specifically.
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>>3122995
He and the younger dude had sex at least once, so he probably counts as bi.
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>>3122978
>compared to the straight dudes that may punch you if they just see you

Eh, not really? Unless you are absurdly flamboyant and throw yourself into a bunch of delinquents.

We're talking about homophobia in Japan, right? Since they're the ones who influence what anime and manga will be like.
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>expected canon gay characters
>got a bunch of reaching instead
Disappointing thread.
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>>3122910
Are they canon gay?
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>>3123126
There's two pairs in that picture and both are pretty gay.
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>>3123126
Particularly these crazy fags.
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>>3123148
Bait but actually straight in canon.
>>3123150
Gay for their husbando.

>>3123075
>We're talking about homophobia in Japan, right? Since they're the ones who influence what anime and manga will be like.
Someone never read for 2chan. They even still hate YoI to this day.
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>>3123075
Statistics show that homophobia in Japan is prevalent
Certain actions of some studios and developers indicate it as well
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>>3123075
There is much more to homophobia than being punched.

Japan is indeed very homophobic. So much so there is virtually no legal protection for lgbt individuals and when some development in that area does happen, it tends to be on a local scope as opposed to a national one.
This is probably because you'll get plenty of people in some urban areas who may be either supportive or simply not against homosexuality so that legislation passes.

Keep in mind that we are talking about a country that has never even seriously discussed same gender marriage as a possibility. Plenty of lgbt groups do fight for it but they have almost zero support from the overwhelming majority of society.

Also, keep in mind that that while 'punching' may be rare (at least in adults, gay kids and teens in Japan go through hell if outed), this is a society in which 'keeping face' and societal pressure is extremely strong.
Sure, no-one will be flat-out punch you in polite society but no-one will accept you talking about your same gender spouse either. Expect snickers behind your back, whispering remarks that you are expected to overhear, and if you are unlucky enough, constant harassment from peers, co-workers, and a family structure that will add more stress than support.

Of course, there are exceptions but homosexuality tends to be accepted as long as it is entirely a private thing. Do you want to have sex with people of the same gender? By all means, just don't ever talk about it, don't ever expect your relationship to be acknowledged, don't even dream of 'equality' because, ultimately, it's just not deemed 'correct' or a viable choice for life.
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>>3123225
>Sure, no-one will be flat-out punch you in polite society but no-one will accept you talking about your same gender spouse either. Expect snickers behind your back, whispering remarks that you are expected to overhear, and if you are unlucky enough, constant harassment from peers, co-workers, and a family structure that will add more stress than support.

Reminds me of this comic
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>>3123225
Exactly what I would expect from Japan based on my knowledge

>>3123232
I've read some similar mangas though I don't remember the titles
Sad, but needed and can be therapeutic
Hope things will get better with them eventually
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>>3123232
Also sauce
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>>3119170
According to Wikipedia this is debatable

He isn't human
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>>3123243
>>3123225
>>3123151
>>3123075

I was on this thread yesterday but was in satisfied with the inconsistent view of Japan and homosexuality so I spent the rest of my day looking at YouTube.
Here's a couple videos of Japanese people talking about what it's like to be LGBT in their country, they both hit a nice scope of different experiences so I thought I'd share it:

Vlogger in Japan asks her audience
15:07 - https://youtu.be/fxQYu4MOFCY

Interview at Tokyo pride parade
12:05 - https://youtu.be/-p0tYGNw-s0

General vid on Homosexuality in Japan
3:28 - https://youtu.be/7hJpJq8H3u8

All of the people who talk about it actually live in Japan/have lived in Japan.
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>>3123232

https://youtu.be/kVUyw8Pob68
^ this video has the comic you were talking about, it was put out by the HumanRightsWatch YouTube channel.
Poor guy, I hope he's in a better place nowadays.
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>>3123247
That's right, but his human form is fully male and it's more like a matter of semantics
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>>3123078
I'm sorry anon
Have a Shinji for that
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>>3122934
They're 2 years apart in age (17 & 19). Genetics man.
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>>3123277
Well the guy on the left has a draw-a-girl shoulders
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>>3123277
>>3123286
>Genetics

Yamagi is also asian.
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>>3123409
Can't forget this classic.
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kek
gomofobs mental again
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>>3123225

>there's homophobia in japan

u don't say

The mahou shoujo fag was the one saying girls aren't homophobic. I just said that Japan is not as violent as America.

I had a similar discussion before with a guy who insisted Japan is a gay paradise because yaoi exists.

tl;dr Japan is as homophobic as Amurika, but they'll wait until you kill yourself instead of murdering you
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>>3123428
>female love interests
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>>3123592
When? Everybody wanted to fuck the MC.
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>>3123617
Hisae, Ruka, Tsubaki, Ukyou. Ukyou should just marry Oriya already though.
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>>3122170
I felt the same way until Hope Arc aired. If Munakata is going to be the only survivor out of the anime original characters and he's left with nothing while everyone else gets perfect endings, what was even the point of including them? At least let him keep his bff and give them both a chance to atone for their mistakes.
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>>3123508

In the entire 2015, only a single gay guy was killed for being gay in the US. Its not perfect but like....getting murdered is not the norm for gay people in America.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2015/tables-and-data-declarations/4tabledatadecpdf
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>>3123428
>>3123592
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>>3123638
Tsuzuki is straight, but Muraki is more of a grey area; he really loves Ukyou, to the point of feeling unworthy of her, but it doesn't change the fact that he's raped and molested men.
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>>3123664
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/the-extraordinarily-common-violence-against-lgbt-people-in-america/486722/

the orlando mass shooting was fake news, apparently
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>>3123671
Never expected someone to back me up on that. Poor Tsuzuki had a hard (after)life.

My problem with including Muraki is that he explains his interest as being in defiling pretty things and torturing the vulnerable regardless of gender. He doesn't treat anyone with actual respectful affection save for Ukyou, Oriya, and his butler. With the prostitutes he was killing I guess you could assume his sexual preference is "can I fuck them up in more ways than one".
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>>3123508
The States being such a huge country, you have both people who are pro-lgbt, those who are violently against it and everything in between.

One of the differences is that in Japan you have no large movement of people who will defend the rights of gay people nor do you have legal protection. In the reddest of red states, a gay couple can get married. In the most liberal of places- by Japanese standards, mind you- you can live with the same person for decades on end and still be denied access to their dying moments if the official kin decide to blackball you at the hospital.
This is not some hypothetical situation either, this has happened and continues to happen because in Japan, being a homosexual means you have absolutely no nation-wide rights to have your relationship recognized.

Also, in the States, as homophobic as it can get, being overtly so does cause a strong backlash from the before mentioned movement. In Japan, a politician can make a comment on how dirty the gays are and the general population wouldn't bat an eyelash. You wouldn't see the outcry you see in the States.

As for violence, it is true that a gay person is less likely to be attacked in Japan on the grounds of their homosexuality. But it is also true that in a broad sense, violent crime tends to be lower in Japan and perhaps more to the point, it's a country in which being 'out of the closet' is just not an option for the great majority of people.
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>>3123654
Damn, Juzo is cute.
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>>3124145
Tell me more about him
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>>3123126
The whole show is basically fujobait taken too far. I'm pretty sure the twins actually are gay, but Io and especially Ryuu are definitely straight.
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>>3124003
Japan doesn't have RFRA, though.
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>>3124145
ouma is canon gay?
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>>3123962
aaay, if he's eager to put his dick in another dude, he counts.
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>>3124284
He didn't though, the manga shows he sucked Hisoka off then carved his skin with his nails. Didn't even take his coat off.
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>>3123677

Orlando mass shooting was not in 2015 and its still a single incident (one of the worst in American history) Trying to act like its a regular thing is fucking retarded.

Fact remains that in the whole year of 2015 (the last year we have data on) a total of one person was killed for their sexual orientation out of tens of millions. So yeah you are 100% full of shit.
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>>3124244
It's implied he likes Saihara, but since he's always lying, who knows.
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>>3124407
On the subject of lgbt cases and the police, the Japanese police could not possibly care less.And if you do manage to get a case all to way to an actual court of law, there will be little to no sympathy.

It's true that Japan has no 'gay panic' but again that's mostly because gay people are not organized enough to be a threat to be taken seriously.

When the vast majority of the gay population is deep in the closet and where lgbt activists have very little power (you can even see this in their mottos. You have things like, 'A small voice can change society', admitting that the movement as it now is has little strength) there is no need to form an active front against them.

Organized homophobia tends to become a thing when lgbt people gain enough sway to threaten- or at least question- the status quo. Until that happens homophobes often feel no need to band together.

You can see this happening in Taiwan that is now in the process of legalizing same gender marriage. All of a sudden there are large marching crowds that are very vocally against. There are marches that are pro as well but that's how the dynamic of social movements tends to work.
These homophobes did not suddenly become so, they reacted when it became obvious that gay people were on the cusp of gaining rights.
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Does Balaban count? Or he still under "ambiguous"?
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>>3124376
Because it's totally straight to put another man's dick in your mouth. Stop reaching.
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>>3124447
Source?
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>>3124483
Altair.
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>>3124441
I dread the day LGBT political issues go into Japan. I can't stand the way gay stuff is handled here in the west, it's never fun or fantasy. It's always political BS or moping about woah is me.

The complete disregard for politics is why anime gay stuff is so much fun. I want to see Akira and Rin stab drug-crazed rapists in a blood sport or see alien faeries engaged in psychic battles. I don't want to see them talk about politics.
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>>3124509
>Gay is politics
>>>/v/
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>>3124509
I know your type, you are fine with Japan injecting politics into anything anyway and think having a gay option is a videogame is politics.
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>>3124470
Sorry, I'm only correcting you. There are a lot of people who somehow read the series and make up events that never happened while missing the ones that did.

But also,
>man
Practically a futa version of his sister, Terazuma and Saya confirmed. Muraki's a really bad example of bisexual only when it's time for fanservice and evil deeds.
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>>3124527
Nah. I just really hate politics interfering with my homo. It's why I can't enjoy any western movies about gay stuff, they always ruin the magic by drawing it into the realm of victim politics. I don't want them "addressing stereotypes", guilt-tripping, or talking about how hetroes hurt their feelings.

I want cool stuff like togainu no chi, berserk, or please save my earth (which by the way has a really cute gay couple in it, very under-appreciated!)
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>>3124536
>I want cool stuff like togainu no chi
Wat?

>(which by the way has a really cute gay couple in it, very under-appreciated!)
Except they were not gay, genius. They both end up with girls.

>Nah. I just really hate politics interfering with my homo. It's why I can't enjoy any western movies about gay stuff, they always ruin the magic by drawing it into the realm of victim politics. I don't want them "addressing stereotypes", guilt-tripping, or talking about how hetroes hurt their feelings.

Yep, you just one of these dudes who use "politics" as an all compassing terms that doesn't mean anything.
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>>3124527
>not political
Look at Skyrim. You can marry whoever the fuck, it doesn't matter.
>political
Look at Dragon Age Cisquisition. The gay love option is a flamboyant stereotype whose entire backstory revolves around his dad not approving of his sexuality.

I rarely, if ever, see western homo love stories done well because the romance takes a back seat to addressing whatever social issue is tasteful to bring up this week.
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>>3124536
How good do you think the Japanese gay folk have it for you to be spouting garbage like this?
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>>3124509
>>3124536
>>3124646

You can't compare gay western romance to gay eastern romance, because there's no gay eastern romance.

Unless you consider BL gay romance. In which case.. really, nigga?
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I guess Hasuta is more a case of "single target sexuality"
but that target does happen to be male...
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>>3124531
>Muraki's a really bad example of bisexual only when it's time for fanservice and evil deeds.

It's only really fanservice in the anime? I never got that vibe from the manga.

Actually, between "bi as an extra layer of evil" and Tsuzuki's no-homo outbursts, the manga feels pretty anti-gay now that I think about it.
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>>3124648
I'm >>3124646, but I wasn't really comparing them. I was just saying western romance is so muddled by social issues that it's just a bore to watch, even if you agree with what they're saying, because you're basically being preached at through thinly veiled allegory. Hell, even most fujobait-tier "romances" are better written than that garbage.
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>>3124648
>Unless you consider BL gay romance

It's two boys. They are being romantic. It's gay romance. How hard is this to understand? The fact that you might not like the writing doesn't invalidate this.

> there's no gay eastern romance
The east is where I get like 90% of my homo from, the other 10% is western fanart/fanfics about eastern stuff.


>>3124646
Exactly! I can't enjoy something where gay guy's entire character is defined by how gay he is and how troublesome it is. It takes the magic out. You're no longer fighting dragons with your virtual boyfriend and exploring strange new worlds but listening to a sermon.
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>>3124662
>It's two boys.
You keep telling yourself that.

>You're no longer fighting dragons with your virtual boyfriend and exploring strange new worlds but listening to a sermon.

What are you even talking about, there's nothing eastern like that. You do know Skyrim is not Japanese, right?
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>>3124660
> because you're basically being preached at through thinly veiled allegory

the gay agenda, amiright
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>>3124675
It's not the (((agenda))) that bothers me. I could care less what values a show pushes as long as it's enjoyable to watch. When the vast majority of homo romance is a set of shallow characters shoehorned in for progressive points and then used as a soapbox to tackle social issues, to the point where the romance itself is poorly written and bland, it becomes an issue to me.
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>>3124681
So what you want is a story about gay dudes doing cool fantasy shit. I'm sure there are games, novels, or shows that have that.
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>>3124686
What I want is media where gays have more to their characters than just "I'm gay". Obviously they exist, but it's all obscure or at least overshadowed by mainstream homos whose personalities, backstories, and motivations are all solely revolving around bland stereotypes.
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>>3124686
Anyone that has spent much time looking at media will tell you that there are very, very instances of cool gay men doing fantasy stuff. And of the stuff that exists it rarely raises to the level of mediocre.

The majority of stuff that comes out of the west is soap-boxing, at best you get a supporting character that might be cool. And every decade or so you might get something like Midnighter.

The east has more stuff but nearly all of is fujoshi stuff which focus almost exclusively on the romance (no cool adventures). Fujoshi stuff is also almost universally weak in writing and animation quality.

The pile of stuff we have is so small we have to relay on slash just to make it feasible. As the number of cannon homo characters as opposed to just homo-erotic characters is insanely low (and again most of these are token characters).

So most gays are fucking STARVED for a decent piece of media about gay men (real gay men, not ambigious or slash stuff) doing cool stuff.
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>>3124692
>The east has more stuff but nearly all of is fujoshi stuff which focus almost exclusively on the romance (no cool adventures)
There's that mobile game 放サモ that's made by and for gay men. Don't expect a ton of brilliant writing though as its purpose is obviously titillation. It's super popular nonetheless.
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>>3124646
>Look at Skyrim. You can marry whoever the fuck, it doesn't matter.
And how is that political? Skyrim's romances are half-cooked shit, like everything in that game. There aren't even romances in that game.

>Look at Dragon Age Cisquisition. The gay love option is a flamboyant stereotype whose entire backstory revolves around his dad not approving of his sexuality.
Woah, one character! And "his entire backstory" isn't even true, it's just his personal quest and it's one character in 3 games! And Dorian isn't even flamboyant.

>I rarely, if ever, see western homo love stories done well because the romance takes a back seat to addressing whatever social issue is tasteful to bring up this week.

Read most stuff.
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>>3124716
>And how is that political?
It isn't, that's my point. It was a shitty example but it was the first one that came to mind.

>And "his entire backstory" isn't even true
He's a rebellious noble who hates the shitty system of his literally hitler homeland because the system didn't like him being gay. His dad was just an extension of said system.

>Dorian isn't even flamboyant
t. Flamboyant fruit
The only thing he's missing is the lisp.

>Read most stuff.
Please, gibs some recommendations because I cannot, for the life of me, find anything decent that isn't soapbox-y or at the very least obnoxious with its views. At least not anything that isn't obscure niche shit that no one's ever heard of.
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>>3124689
>but it's all obscure or at least overshadowed
Then it's up to you to dig harder and deeper to find it. It's out there, isn't it?
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>>3124741
>It isn't,
Then why are you using it?

>He's a rebellious noble who hates the shitty system of his literally hitler homeland because the system didn't like him being gay. His dad was just an extension of said system.

Ok, so what? Are you saying a character being gay in a medieval setting in which heritage is important isn't something worth exploring?

>t. Flamboyant fruit
He's not even top 10 flamboyant characters, especially compared to Japanese characters.

>gibs some recommendations because I cannot,
Not worth. You are clearly triggered every time homosexuality is treated in a more serious matter. Stick to Togainu no Chi.
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>>3124757
>Then why are you using it?
It was an example of non-politicized gays in media. Granted, it's usually treated better in vidya than television or movies, but it's there nonetheless.

>Yeah it exists but I can't give you recommendations because of this patronizing ad hom
Oh fuck off. If you can't suggest anything that doesn't come with a bunch of unneeded leftist baggage attached, you're only proving my point.
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>>3124757
Way to derail the thread, you fags.
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>>3124771
Say what you want about western produced gay content, but I don't think Japanese media/entertainment acknowledging homophobia and how badly homosexuals are treated in Japan is unneeded leftist baggage...
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>>3124771
>Oh fuck off. If you can't suggest anything that doesn't come with a bunch of unneeded leftist baggage attached, you're only proving my point.
Why do you care? You are be OK when Japan does lefting stuff, their media are super politicized.
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>>3124820
Still dodging the question, I see. And I don't watched politicized jap shit either, or at least nothing I recognize as overly-politically charged given that I don't give two shits about Japan's political climate.
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>>3124771
>acknowledging basic human rights issues in any form is unneeded leftist baggage
Considering exploring the problems of human society and human condition has been the staple of literature all over the world for centuries (or even thousands of years in some cases), you're clearly out of luck. Social commentary of all stripes is not immune to bad writing and never has been, but that's on the particular writer.

You don't have to like some particular trends; everybody enjoys fiction for different reasons. But demanding that the world should conform to your personal taste is simply childish.
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>>3124836
It reminds me on how people complained how sci-fi writers nowadays are too "political".

It's like these people never read a '60 book.
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>>3124647
I follow some Japanese lgbt rights movements and I bet they'd cringe to read this person's 'thoughts' but it probably wouldn't surprise them terribly and as they have to deal with way too many issues to care about what some random person says on 4chan.

Also, >>3124509
Then you're out of luck because there are already tentative inroads even in Japan with lgbt rights.
Ishikawa Taiga was elected, after all, I doubt he'd have a snowball's chance in hell ten years ago.

Politics affects real people, though. If you want your anime to be all gay angst or fluttery stuff, by all means; the moment you say that human rights of actual living people don't count, that's when it becomes questionable.
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>>3124835
>. And I don't watched politicized jap shit either,
So you are saying you want pure masturbatory fantasy. That's fine, there are plenty of smut novel in the western world, go read one.
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>>3124839
>>3124536

Same person.

The worst thing about how the west politicizing homo is that it is hostile and guilt tripping to hetrosexual society. The moment you train yourself to think like that you have lost. You've now alienated yourself from everything, you are fundamentally alone. Not because society rejected you but because you rejected it. Even if you do improve the civil rights of homosexuals you know have turned them into ressentful, spiteful, vermin.
That's ultimately what happened to the blacks, they got their civil rights through guilt-tripping and woe-is-me, so they end up with massive inferiority complexes and a hostility to the majority culture.

Video games and anime are my sanctuary FROM the political and social maddness. I like what they do in Japanese stuff where there is no focus on politics just some cute romance and adventure.
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>>3124907
So what do you suggest LGBT folk do then?

'' Excuse me my straight amazing hetero overlord master king who is way above me, I don't mean any disrespect by speaking out on this issue because I know how amazing and great you straights and heteros and what lowly disgusting subhuman vermin us gross faggots are and we definitely shouldn't complain because you amazing hetero royalty who sometimes even let us live with our gross homosexuality, but, could we have some human rights and stuff NOT THAT WE DESERVE ANY BECAUSE WE ARE SUCH FILTH COMPARED TO YOU but it would be nice to have what you have BUT I UNDERSTAND IF YOUR ROYAL HETERONESS DOESN'T WANT TO GRACE US WITH YOUR AMAZING APPROVAL, FOR WE ARE JUST PERVERTED ANIMALS '' ?
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>>3124771
>unneeded leftist baggage
I'd say that's a very needed leftist baggage and very relatable in our times

Even that it's perceived as leftist is not a good thing, when agitation for one's basic rights is an infringement of social norms and viewed as notorious activism

But I think I get what you' re saying, having a world where gay characters can be casually gay is refreshing, it is just far from our reality and if authors of given media want to change it, I think that's a very good thing
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>>3124907
>Video games and anime are my sanctuary FROM the political and social maddness
I bet you are one of these moron who didn't notice the social commentaries in FFVII or Tales of games kek.
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>>3124911
The amount of ugliness and resentment in your post is proof enough of my point.

As for what can be done with gay people? Some of them will enjoy life, others will become ugly like yourself. The ones that became ugly will remain that way no matter what rights they are given.
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>>3124918
He's not wrong. Your post literally read

>I'm so straight and oppressed my internet LGBT activist who post bullshit
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>>3124918
He strongly exaggerated the matter but he has a point

>>3124913
Also this seems probable: hypocrisy is an important component of homophobia
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>>3124921
See this is that us vs them shit I hate. That's YOU alienating yourself, it's not the evil hetrosexual overlords doing it. The severity of being fucked up you get from feeling alienated is WAY worst than your state of civil rights. And unless you are a fucking attorney it's also the more important personal issue. Individuals cannot change the laws of a country but you can change your deposition to the culture.

>>3124922
What point? Anyone that would think in those terms has sever psychological trauma. Which is exactly what I am saying you will get if you think of hetrosexual culture in hostile or alienating terms. I do not consider myself part of a different culture as a result they are not my 'masters'.
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>>3124927
>See this is that us vs them shit I hate
So what you are doing? You are sperging like a retard about "politics" and "the evil LGBT agenda".

I don't see anyone else bitching.

Have a canon homo.
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>>3124951
>>3122168
How gay is King of Prism?
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>>3124952
Lips touching gay.
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>>3124953
As a joke or actual homo?
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>>3124954
Actual homo, one of them being the MC.

The most unexpectedly popular supporting character is also all but said to be bi, and another popular guy admires one of the Herero guys.
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>>3124956
>The most unexpectedly popular supporting character is also all but said to be bi, and another popular guy admires one of the Herero guys.
Alex?
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>>3124956
This actually sounds interesting, which of the MCs is homo? Also do I have to watch Pretty rhythm first?
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>>3124927
>Anyone that would think in those terms has sever psychological trauma
Wrong. You have no knowledge about it, stop insulting him for no reason.

And I seriously fail to see what are you even trying to say, what do you mean "heterosexual culture", "alienating" from it, what does it mean to be part of a culture, apart from that it apparently makes such a culture your "master" - it feels like you're developing some obscure social theory but I don't even understand the terminology you're using. I think the point is - what can LGBT people do to pursue equality in the current homophobic societies?

And please see this >>3124912 post
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Wow, this is the most derailed thread I've seen...in a few hours...
This is /cm/ not /pol/. Shoo!
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>>3124961
The main character is homo. The blonde twink his is love interest (Not in this pic)

The main trio is straight and has girlfriend, except I think the brow one? Other side characters are various shades of homo.
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>>3124965
>I think the point is - what can LGBT people do to pursue equality in the current homophobic societies

My point is the average person does very little. The heavy lifting is done by lawyers and psychologists. You're assuming that once every LGBT gets their rights they will be happy. I'm saying that's not the case at all.

Running around like a chicken with your head-cut off will not get you more civil rights. What it WILL do is make you feel alienated from a lot of things and get your mind wrapped up in an 'us vs them' mentality. And if you develop that you'll still be a sad-sack even WITH your rights.
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>>3124998
So why do you keep raging about the LGBT agenda?
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>>3124980
Thanks, will pick up.
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>>3125066
That's a phrase I never used or implied.
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>>3125085
Good one.
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>>3124998
you are the same woman who was raging in one of the survey threads about homophobia being imaginary, aren't you

you complain about LGBTs not doing anything, but you don't want us to create works of fiction to raise awareness to our issues

you just want to masturbate to the faggots you hate, don't you
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>This Thread
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>>3125097
-midnighter, not cute but is gay

I'm not a woman and I don't know what thread you are talking about.

I am incapable of enjoying any gay stuff that gets political, guilt trippy, or involves some heart-breaking sob story. I don't WANT to hear about the issues in video games and anime, I want pure fantasy.

>not doing anything,
For a brief time I served as surrogate father to 16 year old who's parents abounded him because they didn't want to 'raise a fag'. The twitter 'activists' could end up in concentration camps and I would not shed a single tear.

>raise awareness to our issues
If raising awarness actually did anything we would have a cure for breast cancer. Every person in the country knows what that pink ribbons means!
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>>3125116
>I don't WANT to hear about the issues in video games and anime, I want pure fantasy.

OK? So stick to pure fantasy. What the fuck do you want? There are shitons of western novels devoted to pure smutty adventures between two dudes, /cm/ has a literal thread for that. Go read, I don't know, Captive Prince,

If people want to use fiction to explore "politics" they are also free to do so, fiction has always been used to explore human conditions, there is even a fucking genre called "Cautionary tale".

Did you get triggered by this Shinagami Tasogare?


>If raising awarness actually did anything we would have a cure for breast cancer.

Not even him, but what kind of idiotic comparison is that? One is a purely social issue, the other is psychical illness.
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>>3124658
The anime is a lot more servicey, adding in more almost lip touch moments than the manga ever had. In the manga there's a few jokes about characters being attracted to Tsuzuki and resisting it, and certainly the prettiest eyelashes and most shapely bums happen whenever the guys get close to one another. I've seen old fansites refer to it as BLppoi, or BL-ish, as a sort of aesthetic to please readers without actually going anywhere. I guess that means it's for the sake of eyecandy.

But yeah, pretty much. All the active homosexuals in St Michaels get killed off horribly and it's implied a demon drove them to act on their desires to begin with (Mitani-sensei is treated really kindly for a while though). I've seen Japanese fans say Matsushita had some angry outburst about how she's never done BL and none of her characters are gay, but the only evidence I can find is her complaining she's never done doujinshi so please stop asking. I think she's ashamed of the homoerotic moments she did before, the redraws try to switch out some surprise naked Nagare for more art of his wives, Kasane and Rui.

She likes pretty men but she's not entirely committed to what she wants them doing. Every character comes with a no homo excuse but puts their arms around another while making bedroom eyes. They only briefly get to do the same with the opposite sex, and sometimes that opposite sex is Tsuzuki with tits.
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>>3125131
Pretty boy tax since the thread could do with it.
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>>3124976
A /cm/ version of this would be fitting
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>>3124918
Hasn't it crossed your mind that people 'become ugly' precisely because they are treated like shit? No cause and effect at all here?

As for what can be done with gay people: Treat them like *people*. This doesn't mean you have to do activism, it's true that only a few people will be actively involved in lgbt rights movements.

What can you do is simply treat gay people you encounter like actual human beings. That's something anyone and everyone can do.

All this aside, the one who seems seething with anger is you.
Also, >>3125117.
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>>3125134
Source?
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Why did Yamagi have to suffer so much?
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Oh Great is actually pretty good at having gay/lesbian characters in his works who aren't just joke characters.
Yeah, sometimes their sexuality is played for laughs but for the most part there is more to the characters than JUST being gay.
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>>3125251
AIr gear had a huge amount of canon homos for a shounen manga, there was even an openly gay couple at one point.
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>>3125142
the shitty version we deserve
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>>3125241
Yami No Homo
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>>3125318
Good shit anon
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>>3121261
this show was too good
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>>3123247
>Wikipedia
Well, but remember he has a male body.
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>>3125242
Eh. It's either that or get thrown under a bus made of plot.
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>>3124927
Yeah, these people are so messed up, haha. How dare they fight for trivialities such as the right to work, live and even marry without being subjected to discrimination and open violence. It's not as if homosexuals' families have historically been able to snatch their worldly possessions at the time of their deaths often leaving the partners who'd survived them completely penniless due to legal minutiae concerning property laws and the couple's legal status, not to mention the lifelong humiliation they'd been subjected to, like the figurative cherry on top of the shit cake. Why would these people try to alienate themselves from a culture that barely tolerates them, anyway? They should try to be more like the cute and conforming gays in my Japanese animes which are in no way, form or manner purely fictional and outright fetishized to suit the tastes of a predominantly heterosexual and female audience. We could all be friends, hold hands and sing Kumbaya if only they weren't so ugly and full of psychological trauma!

Oh man, it just cracks me the fuck up.
[spoiler]Fellate a shotgun you stupid underage fujoshit.[/spoiler]
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>>3127648
You can acquire rights without seeing hetrosexuals as alien or an enemy. In fact if you do see them that way even after you get your rights your going to spend the rest of your life in self-loathing and alienation. Sure you can marry and work but you will always feel alone and the media will be dominated with heterosexual culture you cannot relate to.

Don't knock fujoshi. They produce and support the fanart we enjoy and keep homoerotic things on the air-waves. For that I can forgive them for being shallow. I don't have a vagina though.
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>>3127668
I'll chime in to say I feel there are different types of fujoshi and some of them really are abrasive. The fujoshi who create homoerotic content but go on to talk about how real gays are dirty aren't much more of a win than a loss. On the other hand, it's important to remember that that's how a lot of otaku approach 2D: 2D is pure and real people are dirty and nasty. I guess it's just a part of this particular niche.
I'll also say I understand what it's like to feel alienated by straight people, but it is what it is.
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>>3122995
literally the last thing i thought i wouldve seen on this fucking board




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