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Due in September, Heroes in Crisis will mark the introduction of Sanctuary, a crisis center established by the Trinity that uses Kryptonian technology, Amazonian mysticism, and Bruce Wayne’s money to help “superheroes who spend their lives fighting villainy and protecting others.” Created by King, a former counterterrorism operations officer with the CIA, Sanctuary and the limited series reflect his ongoing interest in exploring the consequences of violence on those involved.

“Heroes in Crisis is not a tale of universes colliding and dying. Instead this is a story centering on the humans and superhumans under the mask; this is about what allows them to get up and fight when it appears they can’t ever get up and fight again. When it’s too much, and it’s often too much, heroes go to Sanctuary — created by Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman — to find a moment of safety before returning to a universe of violence. Heroes in Crisis is also about what happens when Sanctuary fails, resulting in catastrophic consequences for the DCU.”


http://ew.com/books/2018/06/13/batm...ampaign=entertainmentweekly&utm_medium=social
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>>101088005
This scares me.
Particularly Harley front and center.
They're going to have her be the designated therapist, aren't they?
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>>101088005
This is either going to be great, or completely forgettable.
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>>101088023
It's going to be obnoxious. If you read King's batman, you'd understand, the man is not fit to handle characters under emotional stress.
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>>101088059
>that issue where Batman does nothing but chant "I must break Bane" over and over again, unbreaks is back and the plan doesn't make any fucking sense
King needs medical assistence and not more books
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>what is catalog?
Anyway, as I said
>another book that Kinghater will religiously read and buy, just to spite King
>>101088059
>>101088120
See?
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>>101088149
>what is catalog
other thread was made afterwards
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>>101088005
>Dick is standing with his wife and son

Looks good
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>>101088005

I BUY IT FOR Damian and Dick.
who is the big woman on wallys side ?
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>>101088005
Assuming the masked guys are the 'social workers', why do they look so goddamn cult like? Its a neat idea, but I feel like King will fuck it up by making it something other than the Trinity arranging a proper support network for Supers and dragging characters he really shouldnt into his self-therapy through comics.
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>>101088312
That's Big Barda.
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>>101088338
Thank you.
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>Tom King Gives Every Hero/Villain PTSD: Th Series

How refreshing and innovative.
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>>101088325
Psycho Pirate stuff
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>>101088005

Whos the third Winged Hawk looking person on the right?

Also I guess this is the thing Wally's gonna be in that King mentioned he was writing a while back.
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Is Tom King depressive?
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>>101088005
I can't fucking believe that King's PTSD bullshit is allowed to use the name Crisis when Johns cockblocked it from Metal, an event with multiversal consequences.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTSUjEeeWiA
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>>101088361
Makes sense though, series like Chase, Starman, and The Sandman always made me appreciative of the vulnerable and human side of Capes.
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>>101088005
No Jon ?
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>>101088005
are we not talking about POWERGIRL being there? (and captain atom)
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>>101088434
.... what? Snyder and co didn't want it to be named Crisis at all. Only Di
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>>101088005
sounds like the superhero equivalent of every "go see a shrink" scene in every cop show ever.

Marvel could pull this off, DC can't their characters are more outlandish.
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>>101088434
>an event with multiversal consequences.
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I like it,,I think that will be the first tom king book i buy and tom king like dick and Damian,
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>>101088496
*Only Didio and Co wanted it to be called Dark Crisis
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>>101088361
No way they do what they do and dont require therapy.

Its like seeing an arm broken and expecting them not to get treatment. How many heroes have psychological healing factors?
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“I feel like I’m part of a rolling generation of people who spent their 20s overseas fighting terrorism,” King said in a press release. “Millions of people cycle through that machine and come home to America. And I think that sort of experience of violence is shaping who we are as a culture, and as a country. And I want to talk about that. I want to talk about that experience, the experience of what violence can do to a person, to a community, to a nation, to a world.”

This isn’t the first time Sanctuary has come up in DC Comics. It has been referenced in King’s Batman and Christopher Priest and Carlo Pagulayan’s Deathstroke. According to the press release, Heroes in Crisis will explore the first time that Sanctuary fails and how that affects the entire universe. The cover image, which you can see below, also teases that Booster Gold and Harley Quinn will play roles in the story too.

“If I could do anything to the DCU,” said King, “it would be to bring a sense of community of superheroes and people. I feel a duty to talk about what violence does to a society through the comics I’m creating.”
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>>101088396
Zauriel. No Hawk person, he's an angel
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>>101088005
He's going to give Wally PTSD, isn't he?
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>>101088005
Honestly, Red Hood should have been in this cover. He is one of the poster boys when it comes to trauma and it makes no sense why he isn't in this.
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>>101088429
AGAHHAHAHAHA

In all seriousness yes, his books are stepped in it and he has done several interviews about how Iraq affected him.

His very first novel had a superhero look at hinself in a mirror point a gun at his head and yell pull the trigger over and over.
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>>101088005
>>101088015
>>101088325
>>101088462
>>101088473

Theres a few oddities.

Powergirl, captian atom, phantom stranger.

catwoman is way in the back with Ivy, not with Batman.
harley is there front and center of course.

the cult..

Wheres nat, and/or Steel?
Zatanna?


Lois and Jon are in the far distance in the house i think.. with another male? is that just clark, for him twice?
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>>101088429
PTSD
I thought it was just a meme but King keeps writing the same story about people dealing with ptsd over and over and over. This is just more of the same.
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>>101088556
every hero is in it says king.
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>>101088361
Who on that cover WOULDN'T have PTSD before Tom wrote them?

Damian? Aquaman? Phantom Stranger?
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>>101088455
That's what I think is the most underrated theme in DC comics, the toll that comes with fighting in a war of Good vs evil
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>>101088005
'Member when(DC) heroes used to be the pinnacle of moral fortitude and justice?
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>>101088595
>I thought it was just a meme but King keeps writing the same story about people dealing with ptsd over and over and over. This is just more of the same.

Not to split hairs but Vision, Grayson, and Omega Men really don't deal with PTSD that much. Omega Men does a little in the epilogue but it's more about the inability to win a war than PTSD.
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>>101088596
The fact that he isn't in the cover pretty much mean he will play very small role if he is indeed in it which is dumb. This great opportunity to explore his issues especially after the recent issue of his book.
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>>101088629
There is nothing immoral about seeking help when you need it.

Its one of the least selfish things you can do.
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>>101088005
Superman is a narcissist!
Batman is a cutter!
Wonder Woman is bulimic!
Flash is a speed freak!
Green Lantern is a fascist!
Martian Manhunter is a psychopath!
Aquaman has the bends!
Isn't this great? Aren't you feeling less guilty about reading comic books? DID YOU KNOW THAT TOM KING WAS IN THE CIA AND THAT PTSD IS A THING?????????????????
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>>101088629
Are you saying there is something morally lacking in seeking help?
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>>101088629
Are you implying something about fan favorite Dr. Harleen Quinzel?
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>>101088643
>Aren't you feeling less guilty about reading comic books?
Who you talking too?
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>>101088005
Did someone kill the Psycho Pirate and everyone is going to the funeral?
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Can he unfuck DCU
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>>101088629
Yes, in the sixties.
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Does anyone still want to claim that King is anything but a complete hack? Anyone?
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>>101088638
Jason and Jon is in the house ...this is Jason's jacket
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>>101088455
Yeah but Tom King is Bendis 2.0.
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>>101088676
The people who fundamentally misunderstand the concept of the superhero, i.e. the people that DC have been catering to for the past decade.
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do you guys think Deathstroke is in the book ?
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>>101088699
He's not a hack.
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>>101088737
>He's not a hack.
wew
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>>101088714
>Yeah but Tom King is Bendis 2.0.

It's definitely summer time.
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>>101088726
>The people who fundamentally misunderstand the concept of the superhero,
What do you mean?
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>>101088761
t.kingfag
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>>101088455
The difference is that those books are well written, interesting, and have a healthy respect for superheroics, whereas King couldn't write his way out of a paper bag, let alone make the concept of superheroes having a PTSD center interesting (but then I doubt anyone could seeing as it's such an utterly stupid and flawed idea).
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>>101088765
The people who need to have Batman be a cutter in order to be relatable.
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>>101088473
>>101088574
Atom is back in mainline continuity and is probably one of the only people I'd seriously consider getting psychological help. The dude got fucked more than Metamorpho at the initial change.
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>>101088595
>TheViceroy, who is the Citadel officer in charge of the Vega System, is taken from the worst parts of myself during my time in theCIA. It's hard to describe if you haven't been there, but there's a certain (and certainly sinister) energy you get from being the representative of a great empire in a far corner of the Earth. It's like a high. You sort of think you can change things. You can push on the world, and it will move, and if you push it in the right way, you're the hero of every story. TheViceroyis addicted to this energy. He thinks he understands the people of the Vega system better than they understand themselves; he knows what's good for them. I had that thought. I had it a lot. I'm not sure if I was always wrong. I'm not sure if being not sure about that is a good thing. So I put all this in him.

>And I relate that [Batman] a little bit to my C.I.A. stuff. Cause that’s what it’s like in the C.I.A. You want to get as close as you could to the horror without becoming the horror. And I tried to do that, and sometimes I didn’t do it right, and sometimes I slipped up, so I’m trying to bring that experience, of seeing the other side and both being empathetic to it, without being destroyed by it.

>King: I think what he just said is the most important advice, cause I’m kind of a dirge-y writer. I write books like Vision and Omega Men and they’re definitely written in a minor key, of like, what a tragedy life is. So I have to remind myself that, when I was a kid, I read comics for the heroes. And I think the most noble thing comics do is, they give someone who’s had a tough day five minutes away from that tough day. And they give someone an adrenaline rush and show them that, in the end, the good guys win.

https://youtu.be/FZ6XraN8jGQ 3:40:00
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>>101088737
This book says otherwise.
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>>101088607
Damian needed therapy before King even worked for DC
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>>101088780
How would it be stupid and flawed as an idea? Spending your life in dangerous and violent circumstances takes a toll on people.

Hell even 9-11 operators get ptsd becasue they hear shit like rapes and Murdurs happening while its going on. They had to mandate time off after certain calls becasue they kept getting fucked up.
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>>101088643
>>Green Lantern is a fascist!
Go to bed, Ollie.
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>>101088637
Grayson I'll admit was about the mind fuckery of having to keep world changing secrects (played against sexy Dick, a man raised to deal with precisely that kind of shit.) It was kings fantasy CIA like James Bond was Ian Fleming's MI6 and good because of it.
Vision was about Vision making a family as a coping mechanism to try and connect with reality apart from all the super shit. Then when it doesn't work he loses his shit and is only saved by somebody else affected by the same shit fucking up before he gets the chance to. It's not even a thinly veiled story about returning home from war. Omega Men had the same arc but the story starts earlier, in the middle of conflict and only at the end do you see the attempt to rebuild a life.
Don't even get me started on Batman or Miracle. I wanted to like King so bad but the guy has locked into one story and everytime he tells it he gets more pretentious.
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>>101088836
Because they are fucking superheroes. I shouldn't have to elaborate.
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>>101088797
Are you saying Batman doesn't use physical pain to deal with his emotions?
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>>101088811
How does it say that?
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>>101088807
>“[Writing Sheriff] was not how I wanted to spend my days, being back in those memories,” he said. “PTSD is a weird thing where it can do two things to you and do it simultaneously. They always show one side of it on TV. You know, ‘I’m so ashamed of what I did,’ or, ‘Something bad happened to me. It brings back these memories of fear.’ But PTSD also does this other thing where it’s, like, when I was there and I was in danger, but I was also happy because I had a simple goal. Now I’m back here and I’m with my family and I don’t know what’s good and what’s bad. I feel bad and guilty at the same time, like I want to be there and I don’t want to be there.”

He repeated this in the panel, media shows the cartoonish "see a fan and get helicopter flash backs and kill someone" type of ptsd when its a lot more insidious, he talks about missing the high of feeling like a Hero or God, of changing the history of world with your actions or how at times he questions his own reality because he doesnt know if something really is fucked up or if its his ptsd cropping up.

The whole first issue on Mr Miracle was autobiographic. He had a panic attack, woke up in the hospital with his wife and then saw a world get more and more dark , and wrong and wandered if it was real or just in his head.
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>>101088850
This guy gets it. I swear the "le Realism" effect have gone too far.
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>>101088846
>doesn't help black people
>not a nazi
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>>101088872
Not when he has a decent writer that understands the character.
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>>101088699
I think he's still better than DC or Marvel's core talent, except maybe Lemire.
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>>101088005
>Kryptonian technology, Amazonian mysticism, and Bruce Wayne’s money

Seems like they really had no use for Bruce so they made him throw in some cash
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>>101088850
How does being a superhero make you immune to having feelings?
What kind of person can spend a life beating up criminals and trying to save lives and not have that affect them?

You would have to be soulless to not have the kind of stuff these people go through not affect you.
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>>101088888
By being the hackiest concept imaginable.
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>>101088005
Are we going to talk about how hot Barda looks on this cover?
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>>101088908
No way someone as smart as Batman would avoid therapy given what he goes through. It would compromise the mission if he didnt keep his mind ans body in peak condition.
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>>101088915
Or maybe, just maybe, you'd be a hero.
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>>101088850
>>101088898
Ask me how I know you're newfags.>>101088910
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>>101088005
Wait...created by King, is this written by Tom King or is this gonna use the character of King Faraday?
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>>101088909
Marvel has better books than DC right now.
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>>101088780
>have a healthy respect for superheroics,
Not really. Sandman characterized them as anderline junkie yuppies and Cameron Chase saw them as flashy amateurs. Even Starman, who is arguably the most superheroic book of the three still eagerly subvert the traditionalist superhero you seem to be talking about.
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>>101088936
If you think Batman would sit around talking about his feelings and that that would make for a good comic you must have trouble distinguishing your asshole from your elbow.
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>>101088958
Being a good person doesn't mean you don't have feelings.

What kind of messed up world view would you have to have were being a hero means you dont go to therapy.
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This is going to be really depressing, but in bad and probably somewhat try hard way.
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>>101088919
What's so hacky about it?
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>>101088850
>I shouldn't have to elaborate.
Based anon with no argument so he just assumes he doesn't have to make an argument
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>>101088993
Sandman barely counts, Chase was both the daughter of a superhero and was tied to Batman at her introduction, and Starman is literally all about the legacy of superheroics, not a subversion in the slightest. The salient point is that none of these books deserved to be mentioned in the same sentence of anything King has shat out, especially in the context of a PTSD-center comic.
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>>101088005
>all that generous amount of cleavage
I´m sold
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>>101088999
So all heroes must go to therapy. Even the omnipotent flying space aliens because otherwise that would just be too darn unrealistic for my enlightened worldview.
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>>101088998
>Therapy sessions cant make for good stories.

Seriously given how psychologically tinged the whole Batman series is a Batman in therapy issue would be pretty cool. Explore his self isolation his need to control, his survivors guilt, his complicated relationship with hia adoptive family and friends, how he pushes people away becasue he is afraid of losing them, his compulsive ego....

Hell it wouldn't even have to be that grindark, Lego Batman was great and had Bruce's trauma as a key theme to his charcater arc.

I mean the dude had his parents shot in front of him when he was 8. NOT going to therapy would be actively dangerous .
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>>101088005
is it just me or do all the king stuff relating batman and catwoman come off as some really cringy fanfic?
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>>101088005
>Sanctuary
>crisis center
Either of these would have been a much better name. “Heroes in Crisis” sounds like it should be some educational pamphlet given out for free. This is going to flop hard. Definitely shows some more
cracks for DC.
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>>101089072
>comparing the greatest tv show ever to fucking capeshit
Christ.
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>>101089072
We're talking about Batman, not The Sopranos. You're a fucking idiot and I'm done talking to you.
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>>101089071
Which one of Superman's powers gives him immunity from emotional stress?

Was this scene to LE REALISM for you?
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>>101089109
You mean the one where Superman from the far flung future wrapped himself in bandages and tagged along with other Supermen from different dimensions in order to say goodbye to his father?
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>>101089071
Superman being a caring and senstive person is a key part of his charcater. The guy runs on sheer LOVE. There is no way you can say its out or charcater for him to have feelings.
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>>101089143
Where did I say that?
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>>101089094
DC knows it’s going to flop. That’s why even though this announcement was scheduled for yesterday and they had Tom King booked on Seth Meyers they last minute did not have him bring this up to plug it at all. Probably because they knew it would sound so embarrassing for the company and would drive possible readers away from giving comics a chance.
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>>101089071
I mean if the omnipotent flying space alien has human emotions like Superman than yeah, It's nice to know that he does grieve. Clark is human just like the rest of us and that's what I love about Superman.
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>>101088596
Does he know how impossible of a claim that is.
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>>101089136
Exactly. Just becasue these charcaters are larger than life and gave powers and strange adventures doesnt mean they aren't people with feelings and emotions that are capable of suffering.

You can punch out a space monster AND feel gried about losing a loved one. Taking care of your mental health doesn't make you less of a hero or a good guy.
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>>101088993
Nobody cares about grimdark shit from the 90s. 90s are hated for a reason, you faggot. Superheroes should inspire you to be a better person.
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>>101089166
Me too, that's why I really appreciated the next page where he tried to hang himself with a Kryptonite noose.
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>>101088988
Both are shit.
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>>101088005
I cannot believe no one mentioned the most important character on that cover.

Hell yeah.
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>>101089179
They're doing that with this series. You've just placed too much stock in the mindset that needing help, especially emotional and mental help, is weakness that you're lashing out against heroes doing what you're afraid to do.
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>>101089177
SUPERMAN DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF HIS MENTAL HEALTH THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM SUPERMAN YOU STUPID FUCK
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>>101089179
This. Superhero comics are at their best right now because we have left all this gritty and grimdark stuff back in the 80s, 90s and 2000s. Now we can finally have some fun comics.
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>>101089136
Doesn't that just show that he's still not immune from emotional stress. The idea is that this god being wants to see his father again.
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>>101089236
This is sarcasm, right?
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Is Ted Kord even alive in DCU?
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>>101089247
You're right, it would have been a much better read if he just sat around and talked to his future psychiatrist rather than traveling through time to fight Solaris.
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>>101089152
You implied that Superman being physically very powerful would mean he would have no need for therapy and I countered noting he still is a caring person with the abiltiy to feel emotional pain.

This is a guy who tried to punch his way into heaven when his cousin died.

There is nothing out of charcater or non heroic about Superman seeing a therapist about any of the plenty of pretty hard stuff hes been through.
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>>101088005
The idea is good, but its King so the execution will be shit.
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>>101089263
He's alive as long as Giffen didn't kill him during his BB run.
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>>101089263
Yes, he was in the rebirth blue beetle series.
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>>101089261
>Character that really needs therapy
>Not on the cover
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>>101089046
>Sandman barely counts
I disagree, Lyta Hall did play a big part in the story.
>Chase was both the daughter of a superhero and was tied to Batman at her introduction
Her father is the reason why she thinks are stupid amateurs and She still thinks Batman is an amateur, just a really good one.
>Starman
>not a subversion of superheroes in the slightest
That's just objectively wrong.
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>>101089227
Dipshit, the whole reason Superman isn't Superman 24/7 and instead spends like half his time as Clark Kent is for his mental health, because of there were only Superman, he'd snap.
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>>101089312
Don't know why are you replying to me but yeah, she is a prime choice for someone needing therapy.
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>>101089188
>Going to therapy means you are suicidal or crazy
Taking care of your mental health when you are put in scenarios that threaten it is just as reasonable as taking care of your body if you are in a sport or field with a high risk of injury.

The bullshit stigma about mental health and seeking help with it is really dangerous. The idea in this thread that it is some kind of moral and un heroic failing is the same mentality that keeps people from seeking out help before its too late.
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>>101089312
Nobody cares.
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>>101088005
Jesus christ, MUH PTSD is faaaar from a meme
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>>101089278
I'm not saying anything of the slightest, but it wouldn't diminish him if Superman did seek out a counselor.
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"Heroes going to therapy" has been done before with varying degrees of success, but seeing how King treated Booster Gold recently (a character who really didn't need more drama to seem "damaged") it's almost certainly going to be boring and over-complicated.
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>>101088005
Wait, did Poison Ivy become an anti-hero too? I actually kind of liked the idea that Harley Quinn was still friends with some unrepentant villains.
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>>101089286
Feeling emotional pain does not mean you need psychological help. Superman isn't just physically strong like you unsuccessfully tried to rephrase my argument, he's mentally and emotionally strong too. Superman is larger-than-life, he transcends humanity, it's the intrinsic nature of the character. What's hard for us isn't hard for him. Having him catch PTSD or need to see a therapist is a boring and counterintuitive idea to start with, and in the hands of King it is guaranteed to be awful.
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>>101088005
So, they are planning to make a series about heroes psychological issues and Jason Todd isn't even in it?
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>>101089347
See and here I thought it was because he was essentially born in Kansas and raised by a family called the Kents that named him Clark. Thanks for setting me straight.
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>>101089396
>Feeling emotional pain does not mean you need psychological help.
There's no harm in seeking it though.
>he transcends humanity
That doesn't sound like Superman. Superman was raised by salt of the earth midwestern farmer, he has a life as Clark Kent.
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>>101089352
It's a wonder Superman didn't kill himself a long time ago since he hasn't been regularly going to therapy for 75 years and witnesses planetary genocide on a nigh-weekly basis.
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>>101089469
I'm not arguing whether there is harm in seeking mental health you colossal fucktard.
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>>101089473
Why is the idea of seeking help so toxic to you?
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>>101089369
It sure as shit would have diminished the story you referenced.
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>therapy comic
Already done by Grant
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>>101088059
Nah, King is just too deep.
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>>101089396


>I immersed myself in Superman and I tried to find in all of these very diverse approaches the essential “Superman–ness” that powered the engine. I then extracted, purified and refined that essence and drained it intoAll Star’s tank, recreating characters as my own dream versions, without the baggage of strict continuity.

>In the end, I saw Superman not as a superhero or even a science fiction character, but as a story of Everyman. We’re all Superman in our own adventures. We have our own Fortresses of Solitude we retreat to, with our own special collections of valued stuff, our own super–pets, our own “Bottle Cities” that we feel guilty for neglecting. We have our own peers and rivals and bizarre emotional or moral tangles to deal with.


>Superman grew up baling hay on a farm. He goes to work, for a boss, in an office. He pines after a hard–working gal. Only when he tears off his shirt does that heroic, ideal inner self come to life. That’s actually a much more adult fantasy than the one Batman’s peddling but it also makes Superman a little harder to sell. He’s much more of a working class superhero, which is why we ended the whole book with the image of a laboring Superman.

>He’s Everyman operating on a sci–fi Paul Bunyan scale. His worries and emotional problems are the same as ours… except that when he falls out with his girlfriend, the world trembles.


Superman being the idealized image of humanity doesn't mean he is immume from problems, it means he deals with them in a morally upstanding and healthy way .

Seeking out help when needed is for sure in line with that.
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>>101089494
It's not at all. I'm trying to talk about comic books.
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>>101089416
No, Byrne.
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>>101089416
If it was just because of some ties to his parents, he'd never have left the farm. It's not like he isn't fast enough to commute wherever he needs to be.

Like are you seriously arguing that he doesn't get anything out of his mundane identity)
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>>101088149
>another book that Kinghater will religiously read and buy, just to spite King
Shitfags really believe this.
Now I dare everyone on /co/ to tell me Kingfags aren't the biggest brianlets on 4chan.
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>>101089473


Thats probably the point.

"Real heroes don't go to therapy." Is a dangerous and fucked up ideal bro.
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>>101089498
That's a strawman argument though. I'm not saying that's how story should've went but it clearly shows that Clark goes through traumatic events that give him emotional stress.
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>>101089520
No, it means that he deals with them on a cosmic scale, like rebuilding the Sun for hundreds of thousands of years, instead of going to his therapist's office every week.
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>>101089539
No I'm arguing that Clark is his identity not some sort of mental health crutch like some idiots around here.
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>>101089547
Yeah, fuck Superman! Leading all those kids to suicide by not setting a good example!
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>>101089550
That's not a strawman, it's literally the plot structure of the comic you referenced in your argument that Superman should go to therapy.
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>>101088737
(you)
>>101088909
I bet Bendis, Tomasi and King are your favorite writers.
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>>101089524
We are too but your central argument does seem to be that superheroes don't need therapy because it's contradictory to what superheroes should be which stems from the fact that you think it's morally degenerate.
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>>101089623
Tell me where I said therapy is morally degenerate you retarded taint blister.
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>>101089621
I bet you are a Cassfag.
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>>101089182
It's the other way around by brainwashing people.
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I hope King kills himsemlf
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>>101089621
I am so tired of Cassfags. -Tomasi haters tend to Cassfags.
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>>101089621
I bet Ewing, Tomasi and Cates are your favorite writers.
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>>101089650
In fact you are wrong and you proved once again Tomasifags are retards.
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>>101089621
Then name better ones? And not from the ones who don't do ongoings like Morrison or Busiek.
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>>101089642

>>101088629
>>101088850
>>101088958
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>>101089690
See>>101089697

>>101089693
>Tomasi
Kys.
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>>101089720
Cates, Ewing, Aaron, Tynion, Lobdell, Slott, Soule.
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>>101089727
So you're illiterate, got it.
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>>101089697
you Cassfags are so Tumblr
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>>101089772
Cass Caine fans are the worst.
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>>101089752
Hahahahahahababahaha
All those are fucking shit. Aaron is the Snyder of Marlel.
>Tynion
He can't even write.
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>>101089772
>Tomasifags don't have reading comprehension.
Who could have seen this coming.
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>>101088643
>Superman's planet (an entire race of people) are dead
>Batman's parents were shot in front of him
>Wonder Woman's mother lied about her father or she can't find her way home or whatever the fuck is happening with the dark gods and her brother
>The Flash can't save his mother from being murdered everything he loves dies or hates him
>Green Lantern died, came back, faces intergalactic nightmares on a relatively daily schedule and also the loss of coast city
>Martian Manhunter is the last survivor of Mars and saw his family and species die out
>Aquaman has been through a bunch of traumatizing stuff (including rape from that Bunn arc, which, since it's a new 52 arc, counts)
therapy is the least that these people should get. plus a lot of arcs end with heroes staring into space, unsure of what to do next. is it so unbelievable that they get some kind of therapy between like arcs?
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>>101089796
>imagine being this wrong.
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>>101089832
>Imagine liking all those hacks.
>Image reading so many big two books
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>>101089827
>Superman's planet (an entire race of people) are dead
The point of superman is that he's strong and doesn't need therapy. The same can be said for a lot of heroes.
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>>101089827
You're right, looking at that I'm thinking they should have all killed themselves a long time ago instead of continuing the neverending superheroic fight against evil. I'm gonna stop reading DC now.
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>>101089849
>proving me right with a post without arguments like the first he made.
Thanks, I guess?
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>>101089764
And you're too cowardly to stand by your argument.
Talk about moral fortitude.
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>>101089892
That wasn't me Fucko the Half-Brained Clown.
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>>101088005
So Power Girl is back?
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>>101089772
Jesus Christ,Cassfags are cancer. She serves no purpose, she was never a good character and she has the streongest plotarmor in comics.
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Why is the DC universe always in crisis?
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>>101089912
Because it needs therapy apparently.
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>>101089772
epic.>tumblrnose
Every goddamn time.
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>>101089903
Which means you don't even have an argument. You're just saying we can never do a story about Superheroes going to therapy.
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>>101089876
Liking Tynion proves that you're objectively wrong.
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>>101089953
I asked you to show me where I implied that therapy was morally degenerate in the context of it being a bad idea for superheroes and you cited the wrong post that doesn't even say that. Just shut the fuck up I'm done with you.
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>>101089962
>proving my point again and again.
It's not even funny.
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>>101089862
Just because you go to therapy doesn't mean you're suicidal and just because you're suicidal doesn't mean you can't be heroic. Ever heard of Mister Terrific? Or Sandman? Or Major Damage?
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>>101089906
>talking about cassfags because why not
What's your age? Honest question.
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>>101090021
And just because you feel sad doesn't mean you need to go to therapy.
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Honestly Batman going to therapy would be the least ridiculous thing to happen to him.
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>>101090039
>What's your age? Honest question.
You made your fucking bed, now you sleep in it. Stupid cunt.
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>>101090000
>I'm done with you
That's not how this works.
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>>101090003
Nice argument, faggot
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>>101090039
why are Cassfags fans so easy to bait?
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>>101089860
Going to therapy doesn't make you weak. Seeking help when you need it, even when it is hard is one of the strongest things you can do
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>>101090046
Most superheroes go through hardcore trauma that for sure qualifies for therapy.
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>>101090046
Why not? If you're a cop and you're feeling sad you should see a therapist. There's nothing wrong with getting therapy.
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Sometime I'm happy Zatanna isn't popular with normie cause I don't want her to be shoved in our throat like harley
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That barn in the background...is that where Sanctuary is? Holy cow, did Clark repurpose the old Kent barn for this? Because that'd be pretty perfect.
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I'm just happy he's not going to write Kyle again
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>>101090111
>>101090128
>>101090146
Superheroes aren't cops. Superheroes aren't people. Superheroes are fictional characters. Superheroes ask other superheroes for help in the rare instances when they need it. Saying superheroes should be in therapy is the same pedantic bullshit that says Bruce Wayne is an insane psychopath. A superhero going to therapy would be just another tired boring exercise in pop-culture psychology. It could be done well in the right hands probably, but anyone capable of doing it justice would most likely realize how inherently flawed and well-trod the idea is. Dedicating an entire book to it is a fucking terrible concept, and King is definitely not the one to pull it off.
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God, is this entire thread baiting and greentexting?
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>>101088574
Power Girl tried to get back to Earth 0 but got stuck between dimensions in Deathstroke.
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>>101090307
No. This entire thread is "superheroes should not have trauma" vs "Superheroes should have trauma.
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>>101090293
>King is definitely not the one to pull it off.
Why wouldn't he be?
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>>101090379
Superheroes are always gonna have trauma.
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>>101090097
It actually was, retard. The one without arguments was you but okay, feel free to be a brainlet.

>>101090110
>>101090071
Proving to be retards again and again.
Here's your (you), brainlets. Now go be idiots elsewhere.
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>>101090440
>Proving to be retards again and again.
>Here's your (you), brainlets. Now go be idiots elsewhere.
Cassfag You have shit taste and have to deal with it.
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>>101090440
- Don't worry "Dukeman Is Coming"
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>>101090484
The Cassfags tears will be delicious.
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Dick holding Starfire! DickXBabs BTFO!!!
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>>101088847
He has Bendis' strengths and Morrison's weaknesses, a very bad combo.
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>>101090379
No, it's "superheroes should be able to overcome trauma" vs. "all superheroes need therapy".
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>>101090293
>Superheroes aren't people. Superheroes are fictional characters.
how little you understand
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>>101089827
>Green Lantern died, came back, faces intergalactic nightmares on a relatively daily schedule and also the loss of coast city


Let's just gloss over the time where he was "possessed" by the embodiment of fear and murdered his friends and mentors.
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>>101090471
>>101090498
>>101090484
Mods, this level of idiocy should be banned.

I'm saying one more time, maybe you idiots (if you're more than one) will understand this.
I don't care about Cass, and muh Cassfag isn't an argument. You're proving to retarded.
You don't have any shame?
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>>101089335
Chase is a superhero. Starman is all about heroic legacy. You're an objective idiot.
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hell yeah the phantom stranger is there
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>>101090790
>Chase is a superhero
No she isn't.
>Starman is all about heroic legacy.
But it's subversive anti-hero take.
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>>101088005
Is this what BleedingCool was ranting about being a "Reboot" a few weeks ago?
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>>101090828
Bleeding cool was talking about a company wide reboot but this is just an event.
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>>101090432
I was talking about the people in the thread not the event.

While I think the premise is interesting, its King so I dont have high hopes.
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>>101090824
She literally has superpowers. Jack Knight is not an anti-hero.
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>>101090642
>Let's just gloss over the time where he was "possessed" by the embodiment of fear and murdered his friends and mentors.
not canon anymore. I miss this Hal
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>>101090599
What do you think therapy is for?
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>>101088005
This sounds totally stupid. Even for King standards.
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Tbis is stupid because if superheroes didn't need therapy till now they shouldn't need it anymore.
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>>101090912
>she literally has superpowers
It's literally anti-superpowers that she hides.
>Jack Knight is not an anti-hero.
He objectively is.
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>Animal Man in the Background
NONONONONONONONO
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sounds pretty gay, standard DC now really
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did one of you guys edit the cover? cause those women in the dcu have massive titties.
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>>101090979
shh. The Summerfags wouldn't understand.
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>>101088005
>When it’s too much, and it’s often too much, heroes go to Sanctuary to find a moment of safety before returning to a universe of violence.
Where were you when even superheroes needed a literal safe space? Adulting is hard, you guys.
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>>101093102
Oh, eat a dick, you idiot contrarian. If there's one group of people who would actually need a "safe space," it's people who see death and violence every day of their lives.

We laugh at it when it's a chubby purple haired college students who saw a tweet they didn't like and needs to go color an adult coloring book about Grumpy Cat. We don't laugh when a Vietnam veteran who stepped on a landmine has a bad day when he occasionally remembers that he hasn't felt his toes in 30+ years.
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>>101090111
This might as well have been said by Superman himself. Fuck, I can actually see him saying this to someone in the comic.
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>>101093199
>upset King fan
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>>101090979
Shitting up comic books with unneeded real world consequences in the most blunt manner imaginable.
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>>101093199
>contrarian
opinion discarded
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>>101093199
>If there's one group of people who would actually need a "safe space," it's people who see death and violence every day of their lives.
That all depends on how this “Sanctuary” actually operates. If it’s some kind of AA meeting situation, or a psychiatric service of some kind, it’s bullshit and a waste of readers’ time. Superheroes never needed a safe space before. There’s gonna have to be a real good explanation as to why one is needed now.
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>>101093199
But we do laugh when people want the horrors of Vietnam crowbarred in to their superhero comic books.
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>>101088005
"In which King continues his de-evolution from being the next Moore to the next Bendis to the next Meltzer."
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I remember the last time someone attempted this and it was Chuck Austen. You can only go up from there.
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>>101088535
>a sense of community of superheroes and people
This is what's been missing from DC since the reboot.
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I didn't read Crisis on Infinite Earth, but it just occurred to me to ask this question.

During all that, where was Darkseid? I never hear about Darkseid's involvement in Crisis on Infinite Earth
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>>101093302
The Legion of Superheros had a team psychologist for a while. The X-Men occasionally try to talk to their students about trauma in a way that's similar to how a psychologist does it. So it's not like it hasn't happened before.
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>>101088005
Should we expect a hero to commit suicide? Or will it be a PTSD violent event?

...or perhaps both?
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>>101093597
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>>101093769
Thanks.
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>>101088312
Why is it no surprise that the Robinfag is a complete casual?
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>>101088015

>King is actually going to treat Harley Quinn as a real character instead of porn bait for stockholm syndrome fetishists or a Marvel movie quip dispenser

How could anyone be against this?
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>>101094255
If her real character was something else, other than
>strong wimmen who's an abusive survivor, so all the shit she does is forgiven
I might have given a shit. But that's all she's used as, so fuck her. Stockholm is better.
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>>101088005
For some reason, I don't like this cover.
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>>101088059
He is, it's just he's not fit for Batman.
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>>101088005
Wait

Why is Citizen Steel in this cover? I thought Johns had a monopoly on everyone JSA related?
For reference he's right behind Supergirl and Phantom Stranger.




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