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SU started out with an interesting concept of an Earth that is essentially a post-colonial society recovering from the end of a brutal war for independence. However, I feel like the show completely bungled any opportunity to explore these themes of a post-war society or elements of a post-imperial world.

a few examples

>Resource extraction to the extent where life can no longer exist in some areas of the planet. this was briefly touched upon pretty well in the episode where Peri and Steven try to plant the flower in the Kindergarten, but then it's basically left at that.

>The former imperial power that was thrown off the planet laid waste to everything in pretty much a scorched earth exit, but this isn't really touched upon besides the corrupted gems that get focused on less and less as the show progresses.

>none of the Gems who fought in the war seem to carry any weight from the war outside of being sad their leader died, as opposed to all the others who perished. most of the sadness stems from Pearl being sad she can't fuck Rose.

>human society seemed to develop almost completely separate from gem society. a lot of post colonial societies grow out of the ruins or remains of the colonies that were left behind. it's almost as if the humans never had the curiosity to figure out gem tech to their advantage and just decided to tough it out on their own.

>whole idea of slavery is pretty much shown as inconsequential or even benevolent in regards to the human zoo. the concept of what defines humanity or how the human diaspora differs from native humans is alluded to but not really delved into.

>the organization of Gem society, it's military and the impact it has on the characters is really not discussed as much as it could be. the primary focus about it mainly revolves around fusion being taboo among the ranks.

>the militaristic Gem societies seem really hesitant to do anything to fuck with the rebels who scorned them.
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man shut the fuck up. its a childrens show. go the fuck outside.
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Steven Universe is not a scripted show. So instead of having a logical train of events in the story's bible, each episode is (usually) boarded by different storyboard artists. As a result, there is a large lack of communication between boarders and stuff like Lapidot ended up happening. The staff is also primarily made up of artists instead of writers, so no one on the team has the expertise to pull a serialized show with overarching storylines off and instead cop out to write easy slice-of-life townie episodes or flanderize characters like Garnet to be solely about fusion. The Steven-only perspective and the fact the show focuses episodes on bit characters like Lars, Sadie, and Ronald instead of the Gems are also huge flaws, and the show constantly flips back and forth between the Gem War, which there is criminally little of, and Beach City, which there is too much of.

In the end, the main problem is simply that no one on the crew is a good writer.
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I wonder what White is gonna do to Yellow and Blue?

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>>102256396
i'm a park ranger. i'm outside most of the day anyway.

>its a childrens show.

that's not really an excuse. SU tries to have depth beyond being simply a kids show, so it's not immune from critique.
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>>102256327
You have some points here but this:

>none of the Gems who fought in the war seem to carry any weight from the war outside of being sad their leader died, as opposed to all the others who perished. most of the sadness stems from Pearl being sad she can't fuck Rose.

Is actually autistic, to the point where it feels like misreading the entire fucking show. Pearl is obsessed with Rose BECAUSE Rose’s impenetrable image is how Pearl copes with the PTSD of having started a war that ended in outright genocide and the deaths of nearly everyone she knew. If Rose, and the cause Rose fought for were anything less than perfect, than the suffering the two of them caused would be all for nothing. Similarly, we see how heavily Garnet relies on Ruby/Sapphire’s codependence to function, as whenever something comes that fucks that up she instantly falls to shit. And Amethyst is a clusterpile of mommy issues from being the cerimonial dumping pile for the rest of the gang’s psychological hangups. This is one of the few points I will give Steven Universe.
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>>102256327
>show has some good ideas about the world and lore that everyone is intrigued to explore
>show just decides to focus on characters feelings and emotions going before and after episodes

Surely SU cant be the only fuck up
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>>102256497
>Calvin & Hobbes is a good comic, therefore it pretends to be more than a comic, but it is still a comic, therefore it is a failure
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>>102256327

We need to start calling you folks warfags. desu I dunno why you guys are so obsessed with SU being some generic story about humans using alien technology after a war on their planet. It's not a bad or boring thing to think about but it's also the much less interesting part of the show and every fanfiction idea I hear from you fags is some generic sci fi bullshit.

Say what you want but I'd rather the character focused narrative over this generic bullshit any day and the show stands out now because they took that route.
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>>102256550
fair, though

>we see how heavily Garnet relies on Ruby/Sapphire’s codependence to function

while i agree with you on this point, i think people hold up Garnet's fusion as an example of a healthy and positive relationship rather than a negative coping mechanism of any post-war trauma.
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>>102256327
Sugar wants to have her cake and eat it too, she introduces dark themes to make her show seem deep and mature, then never actually explores them in any significant capacity.
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>>102256555
Adventure Time comes to mind in this way, though I don't think it really made a real effort compared to SU in trying to go into the actual impacts of the war in question. The war in SU is more central to the plot while the war in AT seem more like a circumstance.
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>>102256327
Also (>>102256645 here)

>Resource extraction to the extent where life can no longer exist in some areas of the planet. this was briefly touched upon pretty well in the episode where Peri and Steven try to plant the flower in the Kindergarten, but then it's basically left at that.

yea cause there's not much more to say about it. The whole point of the episode was to stop wasting time dwelling on a place/thing that's dead and ain't coming back and to move tf on.

>The former imperial power that was thrown off the planet laid waste to everything in pretty much a scorched earth exit, but this isn't really touched upon besides the corrupted gems that get focused on less and less as the show progresses.

They eradicated the gems and the organic life that remained was allowed to continue living to become what it is today. What fucking else do you want?

none of the Gems who fought in the war seem to carry any weight from the war outside of being sad their leader died, as opposed to all the others who perished. most of the sadness stems from Pearl being sad she can't fuck Rose.

Watch the fucking series to twat just about any episode proves this is bullshit

>human society seemed to develop almost completely separate from gem society. a lot of post colonial societies grow out of the ruins or remains of the colonies that were left behind. it's almost as if the humans never had the curiosity to figure out gem tech to their advantage and just decided to tough it out on their own.

The gems built most of their shit in remote areas away from where human societies developed. The few humans who did get involved in gem business were said to have died, and any human who managed to make it to these remote locations long after the war ended were convinced to go away except for the madman Buddy.
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>>102256713
I mean people are free to be wrong. The whole reason you had four fucking episodes devoted to them getting married is because Ruby and Sapphire realize how unhealthy their relationship has become, and taking time to figure out why they want to be together. It’s why Bismuth gets brought back here- it’s important to remind the audience that the Rebellion wasn’t fought for Rose or Pink Diamond, but for the Gem proletariat, so that it’s clear that when Garnet marries herself, it’s fufilling PD’s dream of a society of free gems.

Steven Universe is really bad at building a consistent lore, and particularly bad at making the human side of things worthwhile in any way shape or form, but it’s probably up there with Bojack, Morel Orel, and dare I say Venture Bros as far as character studies go. The only time I feel like a not-townie character arc got derailed was Lapis/Peridot at the barn, and honestly they even managed to rework Lapis’s character arc as of late after Zuke fucked it up.
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>>102256327

>whole idea of slavery is pretty much shown as inconsequential or even benevolent in regards to the human zoo. the concept of what defines humanity or how the human diaspora differs from native humans is alluded to but not really delved into.

How many episodes do you want to waste in the zoo. We got the episode and arc that showcased the difference between free humans and zoomans that actually in the amount of time it had did a pretty good ass job showing hwo disturbing and fucked up the humans raised away from other humans became after generations.

>the organization of Gem society, it's military and the impact it has on the characters is really not discussed as much as it could be. the primary focus about it mainly revolves around fusion being taboo among the ranks.

We've gotten hints from when Lars and Steven initially landed on homeworld and now we're getting more episodes on homeworld that will most likely delve more into life on homeworld.

>the militaristic Gem societies seem really hesitant to do anything to fuck with the rebels who scorned them.

They were going to leave the planet to die when the cluster emerged but that plan ended up backfiring. Now White seems to want to take things in a new direction.
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>>102256396
Why don't you want the children to have good cartoons anon?
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nigga steven universe is not a show about the socio-economic repercussions of post-war society
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>>102256861

/thread
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>>102256861
Right sorry it's a show about lesbians and rape. It's not meant to be good or deep.
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>>102256834
>We've gotten hints from when Lars and Steven initially landed on homeworld and now we're getting more episodes on homeworld that will most likely delve more into life on homeworld.
way too late, but i guess it's better late than never.
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>>102256904
>Right sorry it's a show about lesbians and rape
i mean yeah it totally is more about that and feelings and stuff than what you're describing, you're scrounging for the stuff you want in the absolute worst place lol
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>>102256904
>rape

oh god you're one of those. If you just watched a shitty youtube video and not the show wtf are you even in this thread?
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>>102256861
most of the early episodes were spent on dealing with the corrupted gems who got fucked at the end of the war. the cluster, Kindergarten, Human Zoo say otherwise too.

though it's not as explicitly stated as the gay rape themes >>102256904 the war and post war themes are still there.
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>>102256327
>implying SU manages ANY of its themes right
Hah
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>>102256904
There's a lot more lesbians and rape in the United States than the post-war elements you're talking about, SU tackles themes that are undoubtedly more resonant with kids than this.

If you want to see these themes explored, how about you read a big-boy book for grown-ups instead of trying to find it in a goddamn children's cartoon.
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>>102257106
it gets the theme that gay people are cool right, i think
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>>102257111

>implying you can't have mature themes in a children's cartoon
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>>102256458
underrated point
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>>102257214
not underrated, just repeated too often by folks who miss the entire point of the show
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>>102256645
>implying wanting generic scifi stuff out of a show about aliens visiting earth, waging a war amongst themselves, then fucking off and the warleader has a half-alien son is a bad thing
Now I'm not trying to defend OP, but you'd be wrong for saying that SU shouldnt at least try to expand its scifi themes a bit
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>>102256327
Because those aren't the themes of the show. Might as well ask why Ben 10 fails as horror.
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>>102258055
>Implying Ghostfreaked Out wasn't a horror episode
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>>102258078
Were you actually scared?
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>>102258105
Nah. I was horrified when Max was turned into a larva in another episode, however.
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>decolonization thought
wew buddy oh boy

it's neoliberal midcult, there's your answer. they pander to Der Queer Volk because that's their demo. nobody working on that show is an actual Marxist so none of this shit would be taken into consideration even if they paid attention to the writing.
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>>102258028

I'm not saying it'd be bad or that SU couldn't spare to go more in depth on the sci fi. I mean they can if they want and it seems it's somewhat going a direction that explores homeworld a bit more.

My point is that the sci fi themes have never been the focus of the show. We didn't even know it was sci fi until the the end of the first half of season 1, it could have just as easily been fantasy up to that point.
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>>102256497
>i'm outside most of the day anyway.
Bullshit. If you were really a park ranger you'd be in bed waiting for your next shift instead of shitposting on 4chan.
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>>102258128
Then it failed at horror.
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>>102258664
Or I'm desensitized.
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>>102258698
Oh just fuck off already.
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>>102258275
>decolonization
basically colonization all over again but with brown people.
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I've never seen people so angry at a show not being perfect.
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>>102256855
Why do you want SU to be a war cartoon?
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>>102256327
Everything bad about SU comes from the idea of basing the narration on Steven's PoV, starting it as funny episodical show introducing things that were ignored later and the semi-episodic format of the show that leads to things going back to status quo even after a big revelation (see all the townie episodes after important events or Steven after the Bismuth episode).
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>>102256327
Steven is a shit character
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>>102262436
Or Steven finally physically growing up then becoming a fucking baby
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>>102262436
>starting it as funny episodical show introducing things that were ignored later and the semi-episodic format of the show that leads to things going back to status quo even after a big revelation

But we've basically covered every 'ignored' plot point. So how is this a bad thing

Is it because you have to wait?
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The themes would make more sense if the native population actually gave a shit about their supposed oppressors and recognized they were even there in the first place. The best course I could have seen them taking with this is if the humans ended up becoming antagonists following HW. Powerful groups/governmental organizations who've either made a pact with a rival space empire or decided that it was their turn to rule the stars. So they scavenge lost technology, research their own developments, and build up a fighting force to remove all gem influence from Earth, maybe even with future ambitions to take the war to Homeworld.

I just want them to do something with the humans. You're telling me all the world governments are just sitting by, letting space ships crash into their planet?
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>>102256327
Because conflict is bad, hug and cry it out
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>>102256327
Because sugar isn't interested in that.
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>>102256327
Because Rebecca Sugar is a hack.
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>>102256327

Because its writers/creators aren't leftists, they're status quo liberals. If the theme really was anti-imperialism, Bismuth wouldn't be cast as the bad guy for being willing to use violence against a reactionary empire.
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>trying to justify su human logic

This world is not one where humanity is the master of their own domain, willing to learn and expand their horizons, with the power and capability to create technologies both horrific and beautiful. Instead, this world of humanity is nothing more but a cattle of sheep. A cattle of unblinking, apathetic beings that do not wish to improve themselves, but to wallow in their own filth. Their eyes pitch black as the void that inhabits both the space between their planets and the void that exists inside these soulless beings. The technology laid around these ruins would allow them to develop an interstellar colony in a matter of a few years, and yet they have done nothing. They continue to be these depraved husks of man. The humans here are human only in the physical form, but mentally they are so alien to us that they might as well be creatures from another world. To think that humans could have evolved to become these amalgamations of broken men is a sign of warning. A warning of what not to become.
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>>102256327
The show has a problem that the concept is more interesting that what they are aiming for. From the start to now, the show is about Steven, and how he discovers truths about his world and the universe. The fact that there is a lot of potential for great stories about war, rebellion, ideologies and morality is only second to the main story: Stevens life. That is what it allways has been and the mistake isn´t that the show dropped what they where doing, is that they kept doing it. That´s why there are still townies. Its about stevens life with his friends and enemies. Not about other more important things.
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>>102265366

>More important things

More important than what the story set out to do...got it
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>>102256327
aw I thought this was a Jasper thread
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As much as I love this show, sometimes, it's absolute bullshit.
That "Rose is Pink Diamond" twist nearly made me drop it altogether




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