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Which was better and why?
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>>102936855
Ward
>Goes on heroic adventures
>has lots of bro-moments with Finn and Jake
>Constant humor and random moments
>Lots of waifus
>Finn ages in real time

Muto
>fighting is bad
>focuses on deep lore
>Over thinking stories to try and be philosophical
>retconning characters for agenda points
>purposely making bad episodes
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Adam Muto for sure. I love having my expectations subverted, especially when I'm expecting a good cartoon.
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>>102937053
Bad Taste.


>>102936855
Penn all the way. His stuff is what built Adventure Time into what it was. Muto just squeezed whatever he could out of the corpse
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>>102937016
Someone make the incel Adam Muto and chad Penn Ward a thing please.
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>>102936855
Penis Warden
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one wonders what would have happened if Pen decided to end the show early like a big boy after he got tired of running it so Adam Muto wouldn't have corrupted it
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good show vs mediocre show

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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>>102937077
Read the muto guy's comment again.
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>>102937016
>implying Ward episodes didn'thad deep lore
>implying it wasn't a good part of the original AT
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>>102938759
But the point is that it doesn't Focus on it, and that's what made it better. I prefer the show be 95% episodic 4% callbacks and 1% pure lore. The Mortal Duology is an example of the 1%, and various Future Finns having only one arm, prior to Escape from the Citadel, is part of that 4%.
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Ward, I miss the Wacky stuff
Now its just all deep and shit, like why.

Before we had fucking Business Men in a ice cube, and now we have deep shit and mostly, bleh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aC8B52PnmZk
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>>102937053
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>>102936855
i just know that it started getting boring and repetitive after the lich was turned into a baby
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>>102937101
>Penn
>Dropping his entire creation because he couldn't take the pressure
>A chad
A Chad would've told Mutt and Sugar to fuck off a long time ago.
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>>102937101
more like soul and souless
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I miss the old Adventure time
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>>102938345

Best case scenario would've been AT going on hiatus after series 4 or 5, actually making the movie once Pen and co were rested, then maybe one more season to tie everything up. Something similar to Regular Show, which got it right.

From what I've read it sounds like Penn honestly believed in Muto and thought he could do his job better, he seemingly had this weird imposter syndrome thing going on despite being literally the only guy good enough to run the ship. Muto was just a spineless cuck and got walked over by every writer there, Penn's faith was completely misplaced.
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>>102936855
He should have quit at season 5

>If [Adventure Time] ended after season five, it would have had a very different ending. We didn’t have a definite, “This is the exact story that’s going to be in the end.” We had images from the finale in our heads, and that was as much as you could kind of plan in advance. That last image with Finn and Jake, I had an idea of what that would mean to me.

https://www.polygon.com/tv/2018/9/3/17806570/adventure-time-finale-finn-bubblegum-marceline-adam-muto-interview

>There’s a startling revelation in a new Rolling Stone piece about Cartoon Network’s hit series Adventure Time: Pendleton Ward hasn’t been running the show he created since sometime during season 5. “I quit because it was driving me nuts,” he told the magazine. He further explained:

>“Dealing with people every day wears on you. To spend that extra energy and time you don’t have, to make something that’s worth making, to make it awesome, wears you out. It’s a beast of a show. And the more popular it gets, the more the ancillary things – like the merchandise and games and everything – keep getting bigger. For me, having quality of life outweighed the need to control this project and make it great all the time.”

>Ward’s departure has been a bit of an open secret, especially since the new showrunner, Ward’s CalArts classmate Adam Muto, has been the public face of the show at conventions and festivals for the past year. But this article is the first official confirmation of the change.

https://www.cartoonbrew.com/tv/pen-ward-quit-adventure-time-because-it-was-driving-him-nuts-104191.html
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>>102939956
Has Ward given an opinion on the final episode?
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>>102940025
Doesn´t matter he isn´t going to burn bridges even if he didn´t liked it.
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>>102939956

Adventure Time came up at work last week and I found it pretty surprising nobody knew Ward left years ago. Everybody was talking about how it went off the rails and me simply saying he walked out was this eureka moment for them. It's been /co/mmon knowledge for years but I guess they were keeping it quiet otherwise.
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>>102937053
He learned from the best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPStG2f50v4
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Adventure Time back when Ward was in charge.

The Enchiridion- A good example of early Finn and Princess Bubblegum, and was actually the very first episode made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhBkUD5t8_s

Evict- Early Marceline back before the character was ruined.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3taBPm3gD10

Go With Me- Another early Marceline episode where she's shown as a potential love interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cEwz5Kn2lM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjxZa-MSDwA

Mortal Folly and
Mortal Recoil- These epsiodes could easily act as a series finale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_El13MWE0C8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7AYo63WK6A

Dad's Dungeon- A great episode with Finn being heroic and Jake cheering him on helping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn5MAjy3LiQ

Burning Low, a season 4 episode revealing that PB was jealous of Finn and Flame Princess being together, first saying she was only against Finn being with Flame Princess because it was dangerous:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89j3MjOyty0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsG7wl17-Nk

Final scene from Burning Low, showing that she really was jealous the entire time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzVWsuMWYT0
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>>102941274
The face Jake make in the burning low final scene will never not get me.
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>>102941274
I love it, thats how I saw it back then and still love it
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>>102936855
It only took Muto 2 seasons to kill all the momentum the show had and make it almost irrelevant
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>>102941320
I like it when it was just randomness and fun adventures, what went wrong?
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Unironically Muto. Yeah season 5 and 6 weren't as good but they still had plenty of good episodes and 7 onward was my personal favorite of the entire show. I can see how someone would feel differently but it would be wrong to just say everything post Ward is shit.
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>>102939301
He's still more of a chat then muto and suger, even with he flaking out. Muto is a weasel and sugar am idiot fangirl who got the opportunity to make her terrible headcanon real. Those two are hacks.
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>>102941370
For Season 5B they decided that Finn can't have a GF or that cool blood sword, but he can cry about not having a GF, and then needed to add daddy issues in season 6 because why the fuck not
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>>102941572
But thats not Adventure time
Thats fucking..not it dude.
It feels wrong
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>>102941592
Well if you look at the viewership, everyone agreed
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>>102941506
Shit taste
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>>102936855
Penn's version absolutely, Muto is garbage trying to justify bad writing
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I liked Ward's early seasons for its feel. It just felt like the original Adventure Time that was so appealing, while Muto's relied more on its legacy
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>>102942269
Muto kinda ruined the fun and made people lose interest.
Like a if Ward did it, he should had ended it with something happening with Fire, and Finn ending with Bubblegum, how it should had of went.
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>>102942488
I would have enjoyed Finn playing a much more central role in the series finale.
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More Ward:
The time Finn and Jake decided they were Ninjas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLNzzU08B-Y

Rainy Day Daydream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDXX6Js-q4E

Storytelling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wz54zEEaXk

Return to the Nightosphere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIvQZ4sqtDk
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I sorta kinda wondered why I suddenly stopped watching AT for some reason.

Now I kinda see why. The early seasons are really different from the later ones.
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>>102943132
Thank you for the Nostalgia trip Anon
You could be Finn in disguise
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>>102943298
Early seasons are more self contained stories about random adventures and aren't lore heavy. Later seasons are lore and drama heavy to the point of needing to follow several episodes in order to keep up.
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Shows best years were definitely with Ward as director, but lets not act like the show wasn't starting to rot under him. People forget that Ward was still the show-runner until somewhere in the middle of Season 5 (one that went one for two goddamn years because it 52 episodes long). By then the show had more than its share of stinkers and the animation started getting worse.

And Muto's adventure time still had some of the best episodes. Season 7 was so good that I'd say its about on par with the first two. It's just that Muto's AT also featured AT's worst season by far, #6.

/co/ deeply exaggerations as if AT turned to shit Simpsons-style. For a cartoon that ran for 8 years, it was pretty damn consistently good from start to finish, with only a couple of dips in quality (under both Ward and Muto). Like seriously, I been lurking and over the last week I've watched you fools whip yourselves into a frenzy over mostly misinformation and hearsay, seriously this Ward vs Muto dichotomy you set up is mostly just a meme. Yes the show got worse after the first couple seasons and changed tone a bit, but it good for its entire run and some of the seasons you idiots hate so much were literally directed by Ward. It was still the best cartoon not called "Venture Bros" during its entire 8 years. And ya'll act like Ward quit the show entirely, he was still there voicing characters and directing some episodes, just not every single one of them like before.
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>>102943132
Oh my god rewatcihng these, this is the AT I missed. I could watch this stuff for seasons on end.

Question: Would you rather a show get a mediocre ending, or just peter out as the humour finally ends?

Think of Dexter. It didn't have any great big finale, but admittedly, the final season was kinda lame. But it lasted for many many good seasons
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>>102940092
This is all I could find
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Painful reminder:
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>>102937016
This. And Muto fitted in a bunch of faggot SJW pandering bullshit in there too.
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Muto's such a tard he ruined Princess Gumball and turned her into a violent dictator, who spies on her people, and puts implants in their teeth. And she never gets called out on her bullshit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcl-mliTdU0
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>Hurr durr Muto is bad
The reality of the situation is that the first 2 seasons of Adventure Time, while great, contain more than their fair share of forgettable episodes. The highs contained in your average good episode do not equate to the low of what is essentially random for the sake of random. Interesting conceptually, but overall its a scenario where fans will get irritated over a lack of real progression that we do get in Muto's show

Muto, while different in how he approaches storytelling, is not inherently bad. His lows hit harder than Pen's, but he also provides the worldbuilding elements and longform stories that fans desperately wanted that do explain the world around them. He goes much more indepth with the characters, albeit in a way that does differ with Ward's original approach and therefore it becomes understandable why modern fans disapprove of them. While we can all complain about how PB and Marceline's romance was really forced, which it was, we also have to remember that without Muto we would never receive Fern who is without a doubt the best new addition to the main cast out of any of the later seasons

I guess it comes down to which episode you like more: "Evicted!" or "Simon and Marcy"
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>>102937016
fpbp
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>>102944965
Dad's Dungeon.
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What are /co/'s thoughts on the bmo episodes. I unironically did not drop the show in season 5 and 6 because I loved bmo lore that much. >inb4 bmo became the best character in Muto's run. Also season 5 rivals season 4 in being the best season. I appreciated the expansion on the lore in that season. The pillow town episode should have been Finn's true destiny but replaced with hunter. This my honest opinion.
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>>102941274
I want to go back.
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I would've like Muto a lot more as I appreciate story in cartoons but like he didn't know how to conclude his arcs at all, like he always wrote himself into a corner.

He ended the Islands arc with Finn showing memories rather than proving he can survive.

He ended the Elements one with a literal reset button.

and he ended the finale and had the ultimate evil beaten with a song and a Mcguffin.
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>>102937101
soul
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>>102936855
The best era of the show was when Rebecca Sugar was working on it and you all know it.
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>>102945693
go home betty
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>>102941274
Oh man, I'd forgotten how much I liked Adventure Time.
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>>102941296
Best face ever
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Witch's Garden was one of the first episodes I saw, and probably what originally drew me to the show
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7_4hfMPV38
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>>102945668
soulless
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>>102946264
I thought this would be a bigger deal than it turned out to be.
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>>102944657
>Nazi dictator
>bad guy

Holy shit /co/mblr is real
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>>102937053
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>>102943132
Throwing in my favorite Adventure Time moment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcPEHn3ETKY
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So what are all these writers going to do now this shit's ended?

Also what has pendleton ward been up to since he left? Is he just done with cartoons? He's only in his late 30s I think
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>>102937016
>>102937053
100% correct
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>>102946597
'Sometime during the fifth season of Adventure Time, Ward abruptly stepped down from running the show, explaining it was negatively affecting his "quality of life". In the October 2, 2014 edition of the Rolling Stone magazine, Ward stated "I quit because it was driving me nuts". However, he continued to work as one of the show's writers and storyboard artists until the end of the season six, and he still serves as an executive producer.[6] In an interview with Indiewire prior to the debut of season seven, head writer Kent Osborne noted that Ward had stopped writing episode outlines at the beginning of season 7 but still looks over them and provides input, as he is focusing on an Adventure Time movie.[7]

In 2017, Ward was credited as "Story Consultant" for the current hard-cover adventure for Dungeons and Dragons 5th Edition, 'Tomb of Annihilation'. '

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pendleton_Ward#Career
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>>102944657
That's what I love about PB. She's a dictator who canonically hates democracy, and the show is fine with this.
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>>102941370
Brezy

Frost and fire

They destroy Finn has a character
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>>102943727
>>102940025
he was outright one of the story writers the finale (even though he hadn't been regularly involved in episode stories since shortly after Stakes)
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>>102946597
a vast majority of the AT crew went onto Summer Camp Island
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Season 3 best season, Season 7 best Muto season
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>>102946927
*Season 2
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>>102943590
Mad respect for this anon actually throwing logic into the thread.

Late season 5/season 6 undoubtedly took a huge shift in terms of comedic timing and narrative structure, but that’s honestly what kept the show interesting for me. Unlike Regular Show, AT never felt stale ‘cause you would never know what to expect with each new episode. I can understand how season 6’s experimental nature and deep, philosophical writing could’ve turned people away—at the same time that SU continued to prove itself as a more easily digestible show that could be both fun and emotionally charged—but there was no such thing as seasonal rot for AT; just unique writing experiments previously unheard of in cartoons that worked out sometimes and failed other times.

Pen, Muto, & Co.’s lack of direction and their constant buildups to disappointing letdowns were fucking shit, though. Hate on Rebecca Sugar all you want, but she knows exactly what she’s doing as far as advancing an ongoing story while still pacing it out to tell smaller-scale stories that can feel just as important.
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>>102944965
>>102947193
> Season 7 was so good that I'd say its about on par with the first two.
No.
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None of this matters. The lesbians kissed. Therefore the show is above critique.
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>>102944657
>And she never gets called out on her bullshit.
Did you not even watch The Cooler
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>>102947439
I dislike how Finn never really bucks up against PB until the finale. And whaddya know, after it she sees him better now. Now he's somewhere near the level of respect of the early seasons
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>>102941274
Dad's Dungeon was honestly kino.
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>>102947339
Right, that was season 8
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>>102947501
She respects him way more than the early seasons though. Now she actually sees him as an equal rather than a kid or someone she has to guide and take care of.
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>>102947553
Absolutely not. She was regal and held him in the highest regards when it came to Ice King and the Lich. Then, everything took a nosedive when she went into her grey area with it spiking at Pajama War. I remember that half assed speech in Don't Look as well.
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Stakes was an all-time high for me, but otherwise I far prefer Pen's AT.

Muto had far too many episodes that were just weird for the sake of it. No real plot or meaning. Like a wannabe David Lynch, minus the style.
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>>102947696
>Stakes was an all-time high for me
Jesus that fucking taste
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>>102947592
The Lich was the first time she really cared about Finn that much, and there were also times where she got annoyed at Finn, Dungeon and The Duke come to mind.
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>>102947696
I also really liked stakes but I'm curious why you liked it more than Islands.
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>>102947516
how about no

>>102947696
>Stakes was an all-time high
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>>102947696
If it makes you feel any better I love Stakes. Though that's probably because I haven't watched Islands yet.
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>>102941274
I wonder what would've happened if Ward stayed on the show.

>>102941506
The mini series were good, especially Islands but I didn't like the no gf thing, Finn should've ended with Hunter Wizard.

>>102943590
Good logic anon. People are too hung up on the past seasons. It was a good show overall, I just wanted Finn and Jake to have a more central presence on the finale though, that's my only gripe with it.

>>102944965
The show overall was good.

>>102945307
Finn should have ended up with HW.

>>102945664
How are the comics anyway?

>>102947193
Where can I get more of that Fionna? Can you post all of your pics of her?

>>102948273
Watch Islands anon.
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>>102948682
Well Finn and HW were still together when the series ended, they just didn't interact in the finale. So yeah, he most likely did still end up with her.
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>>102948736
>Well Finn and HW were still together
They never got together in any previous episode. All they did was kiss and she had said that she couldn't date him. And then they're specifically not shown together in the finale. By your criteria he finally got with PB.
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>>102948899
Did you not watch The Wild Hunt?
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>>102948911
Also this from Seventeen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btw46xsB2yQ
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>>102948911
>>102949859
She still doesn't end up with him man. Why are you in so much denial over it? What's what the autism?
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>>102937016
You forgot
Ward
>Lich is the big bad

Muto
>Immediately turns the Lich into a baby and forgets about him
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>>102946302
It was an aborted arc. Would make a nice plot point for a Shermy and Beth show.
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>boohoo finn didn't get the girl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8nPpaT_0Zw
Finn doesn't want to be in a relationship.
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>>102943590
It turned mediocre after season 3 and never got good again.
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>>102950934
HW shippers are mentally ill incels
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>>102951181
The "waaah why didn't Finn get a girl" shippers are weird.
Finale was crappy but not because Finn got no gf or lesbians kissed (though the kiss was lame and forced in its execution)
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>>102951140
Nah
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>>102951263
I don't think it's crazy to say that Finn should have ended up with someone. It was like a huge plot point with his character since like season 3. Even Finn's voice actor thought so.

>"I think for Finn, it’s hard because I know things that are going to happen, but definitely just closure. For me, I’d like to see Finn possibly finally settle down and end up with a Princess, as he’s been having trouble with that over the whole nine seasons."

https://metro.co.uk/2017/01/08/adventure-times-jeremy-shada-reveals-his-hopes-for-finn-in-the-final-ever-episode-6368644/

As for HW as shown in that clip, both Finn and HW agree not to date
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>>102951577
I'm not for or against Finn being with someone, in that clip I posted where HW gives her love speech it's not really clear if Finn agrees with her or with Jake, but some here are overly dramatic about projecting the "lesbians made finn an incel" thing. Forcing PB or Marceline or whoever on Finn for the sake of him having a relationship would be pretty much like forcing that kiss. I just don't see who Finn could be with in the finale:
- not PB, I think Finn doesn't like her anymore because she messed his FP relationship
- not Marceline, neither Finn nor she seem to be interested
- maybe FP? But their relationship seemed strained when they were dating or whatever. I don't think they're compatible, she probably needs someone like CB who has a weaker personality than Finn, but if something else happened in the finale maybe they'd fall back in love again or whatever.
- maybe HW? She could've seen the power of love or whatever and ended up with Finn I guess, and there was some build up between them. Seems to make the most sense to me, like HW sees Golb being defeated through love and goes ok i was wrong lets bang. Though honestly it seems like she and Finn are fwbs anyway and just don't want to make it serious.
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I'd be wary of Finn and HW having a relationship though because HW is a wizard and wizards are fueled by madness and sadness. HW LOOKS sane but is probably all sorts of crazy when you get to know her better. Though her brand of crazy might be some kind of avoidance or dissociation stuff.
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>>102950327
How do you watch Wild Hunt and still think there is nothing going on between them. After that she was even at his b day party that most of his friends weren't invited to.
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Didn't Penn still work on the show after he stepped down though?
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>>102952190
Don't even bother replying to him. He's been baiting about this for days.
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>>102953817
As a story writer, storyboarder, writer, supervisor and voice actor. He stepped down as story writer after Islands.
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>>102946302
>I thought this would be a bigger deal than it turned out to be.

It's an absolutely end of the world type of deal. We're shown what the Lich can do in an alternate reality. And it was confirmed those hands were indeed, fresh incarnations of the Lich when it was discovered to be alive, whispering to Sweet Pea.

I honestly thought this would be the main plot for the finale. Oh well. Wasted opportunity.
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>>102947761
The Lich is an example of her caring about Dinn the most earlier on, but not the first time. Also being annoyed at Finn at times doesn’t mean she values him less. Stakes possibly was the example of what you’re looking for.
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But seriously guys, where can I get iTunes rips of this show. I really want to rewatch all nearly-300 epsidoes in order, high quality.
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>>102954930
Sorry, what about stakes? I might be forgetting something.
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>>102955159
Top tier Finn incompitence and likely irritated PB to the point of respecting him less
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>>102955180
Yeah he didn't really do much but I can't think of a time he actively annoyed her. I'm not sure if he was actually "Incompetent" he just didn't really get to actually do anything.
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>>102937053
>>subverted
That's not how you spell (((pozzed))) .
Everything else I can live with, but Finn deserves a waifu.
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>>102955345
Can't live to keep a waifu if he doesn't improve his strength/fighting skills to protect said waifu anon
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>>102937016
empire of dirttttttttttttttttttttttttt
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>>102936855
>Ward
Stuff happens and Jake will probably fart

>Muto
Characters talk about stuff happening or that happened and explain why that makes them feel stuff. And Finn probably cries in a corner
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>>102936855
I really liked the early AT because it was one of the few cartoons that felt like it was written by kids. Later episodes lost that whimsicality.
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>>102956882
>Before
Random fun adventures that needs little to no lore

>After
So edgy and deep, and lost the spark
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>>102952190
>here is nothing going on between them
Because they both agreed not to date and aren't shown together in the finale.
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>>102956973
>I'm gonna ignore every episode after Flute Spell and still keep baiting because I said so
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>>102954068
Yeah, I thought it was a bit dishonest to say the show went to shit because Pen stopped being the show runner.
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>>102954068
He stepped down as showrunner around Season 5. That's the head writer. It's being disingenuous to insist that because they brought him in to do a mini-series that he was still in charge of story at that point.
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>>102959237
Wait, is this gonna be a spinoff, or just comics at this point?
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>>102959280
A sequel comic book series that takes place after the finale
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Rewatching It came from the Nightosphere, it is actually interesting how there are some similarities to the ending. Even funnier that Muto was involved with both. You have a world ending threat, a side character focus, Finn is the voice of reason who can't win a direct fight and a musical number saving the day. Not saying they are the same or one is a blue print but it is interesting.

I think a big part of it is Hunson isn't just used as a random threat but an actual player doing things. Unlike Golb who just sort of plops in and is just a threat cause he is there. They didn't bother to create a story cause lore meant we should care. While with hunson they had to give us a reason to care. This also factors into why the singing work, it had set up and pay off while also oddly humanising the characters while not making them good. It could have quite easily been oh I am big evil man so songs hurt, but even with set up that isn't as interesting. Early AT was pretty happy to just throw in a world ending threat, ones that could be defeated in silly ways so ending with that just seems meh.

Finn is way better balanced throughout the episode. He isn't capable of winning on his own, but he still tries to be effective in different ways. He is more assertive, more capable and less likely to take crap from people when he doesn't have to. He was still portrayed as weak but did more to overcome it. Marceline gets explored through actions, the backstory we get is done through a song so no drawn out flashbacks. It was willing to explore a negative side to her without oh actually she is a good person really. She even takes a swing at Finn at the end with no apology. They use to get you could have a likeable but negative character. There was a lot more nuance and less direct exploration and development of characters early on.
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>robot arm is back after Adam said Finn didn't need it anymore
It hasn't been released yet and BOOM! is arleady fixing Muto's fuckups.
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...you son of a bitch.
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>>102959380
This smells like Ward now
Dammit..
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>>102959380
WHY WASN'T THIS THE EPILOGUE GOD DAM IT
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>>102959237
Oh boy, tthe PB and Marceline lesbian series we've all been demanding! Hopefully that's the last we see of it.

>>102959380
More of this
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>>102959430
I KNOW RIGHT
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>>102959237
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>>102959305
Burn it down.
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>>102941506
>7 onward was my personal favorite of the entire show
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>>102959345
>arleady fixing Muto's fuckups.
call me back when they retcon the last 7 seasons
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>>102959494
I'm talking about this
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>>102959281
>>102959305
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>>102959380
>Editor's note: It was Betty
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Well now that Season 11 is full of dykes will Muto re-reverse himself and declare it canon with his magic wand?
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>>102936855
I haven't watched Adventure Time in a long time but christ it's changed for the worse. It's nothing like I remember it being in 2010.
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>>102941274
>The Enchiridion- A good example of early Finn and Princess Bubblegum, and was actually the very first episode made.
That makes me happy to hear it was the first one made.
I didn’t keep up with the show, but I remember being really impressed as a kid at their characterization of Finn as being super morally absolutist.
He’d kill an evil monster in an instant, but wouldn’t raise a finger against a neutral ant.
Then there was that whole first episode with Billy where the old lady affirms that he was meant to do good deeds through righteous violence.
Not an ethic you see displayed very often these days, and I respected that they made him that way.
As a kid who grew up with stuff like LOTR and Narnia, it made me really empathize with Finn.
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>>102959237
Stop! Stop! I want off the ride!
>>102959380
>It was Betty.
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>>102959621
This
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>>102959621
But AT also played it very loose with morals, Finn's moralfagging was played up as comically impractical and depending on the episode he'd happily do more immoral things. Jake, who is portrayed as the more calm reasonable one to a fault also has pretty loose morals.
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How come every time the Earth is shown from a space point of view there's a HUGE chunk missing out of it but the perimeter of that edge is never visited in the show? Would have made for a cool episode where the land just "ends".
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>>102959237
>>102959281
>>102959305
>Candy Kingdom destroyed
But it wasn't even shown in the finale

>Even more Bubbline
This better not overshadow Finn and Jake
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>>102960231
The strangest part is that not only the Candy Kingdom was destroyed, but GOLB and his creatures managed to destroy even more than just the treehouse.
>>102959345
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>>102959237
Shoulda just left it at the ending with Finn and Jake fistbumping. Now they're going down the Legend of Korra comics path where the whole lesbian thing becomes one of the central focuses of the comic instead of an actual story with characters and such. Of course, this is just the first page.
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>>102959237
When do they scissor?
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>>102960829
never, marceline shapeshifts herself a dick and dominates pb
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>>102959380
>EDITORS NOTE:It was Betty
>Implying Bonnie and Gumbald wouldn't have gone Nuclear if Finn hadn't stopped them
Please let this be good and not a soapbox like Korra's Comic, Muto isn't here to hurt Finn anymore.
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>>102959345
All they need now is the Lich to be brought back.
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>>102961022
His hand is infinite at least
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>>102937053
Don't forget the lesbians!!! So fucking good!!!
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>>102960888
Marcy is a cocksleeve bruh, she'd ham it up as PB's gay dungeon slave, this is Adventure Time after all this is what the show has always been about
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>>102960231
It will. Nobody cares about Finn when you got two dykes.
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>>102959523
>Finn is living with a disability now but also that there's nothing wrong with that

t. wheelchairfag
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>>102961424
How's he going to pay Candy Kingdom's sky high tax rate now?
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>>102959345
Wait why doesn't he need a new arm? is getting a new arm too ableist or some dumb shit?
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>>102961490
>not understanding current year +3 culture
Everything is offensive now, even prosthetics apparently.
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>>102961130
How can a cocksleeve be a lesbian? Does PB shapeshift a cock? Or does she invite men over to fuck Marcy while she watches?
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>>102961486
Depends.
Ward's Finn would just go on a redonkulous adventure and get mad loot to pay off everything

Muto's Finn would have to find an alternative method that included being forced to watch PB and Marceline (and the occasional guest like Flame Princess, Cinnamon Bun, Huntress Wizard, etc.) just be happy and enjoy life together while he is forcibly restrained to a chair in a dark room watching it all via HD security camera with some lesson on human greed being awkwardly being shoehorned in somehow
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>>102939260
Which is when Ward handed shit over to Muto.
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>>102937016
>Finn ages in real time
really? as someone who didn't watch the show much, his design looked like it never changed (save for the arm).
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>>102937053
>people can't read post properly
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>>102936855
Adam Muto's because it ended.
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>>102961570
BIG
BUBBLE
GUM
COCK
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>>102936855
SO FINN AND JAKE
WENT OUT TO FIND A NEW HOME
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>>102961591
delet CM and kys
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>>102961691
t. Muto
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>>102961623
His design doesn't change, but he gets taller and it's said that he's older. He's 16 around the time that Ward left, and then Muto never lets him age until season 10, when Muto let him turn 17.
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>>102961520
But characters “not needing” their aids for their disabilities is what people find offensive

t. has seen the tumblr discussions about Peridot from Steven Universe

If tumblr cared about anything in AT aside from bubbline these days, they’d probably be flinging shit at Muto for the “moral” of Finn’s arm
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>>102959305
Everything past 5 season is sponsored fanfiction, including this shite. AT died years ago.
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>>102937016

Lore was pretty much the only good thing to come from Muto.
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>>102962741
But it was the thing that doomed the show.
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>>102961642
She has a girthy long dong but it's a quickshot like Juicy Fruit, Great at the start but disappointingly short
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>>102962873
a fucking baseball bat between her legs
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>>102961490
>>102959523
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>>102944965
I think the show overall was good and I liked Muto adventure time.
I honestly don't really understand all the hate it gets but maybe im an sjw or something
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>>102963250
As long as you acknowledge you're objectively wrong given AT went from 3.5 million viewers under Ward to ~600k under Muto.
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>>102963095
Orgasmic German Screaming as Marcy has barely gotten past the tip
Plays god with her subjects and many others but is a one pump chump and quite insecure about it as she spills her pepto bismol at the slightest touch
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>>102963339
Objectively wrong in....liking the show? And are you sure the drop in viewers wasn't just from CNs horrible erratic and abysmal scheduling?
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>>102963724
That helped too, for me, it was a chore some chapters and others were ok.
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>>102960950
Even Finn's stopping the war was kinda bullshit because PB only listened to him when she looked at his arm and remembered when he used to be a girl.
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>>102959877
>how come there's a whole big wide world
>but we only ever see Oo, and maybe the islands in depth

Someone on the show forgot about V E R Y D I S T A N T L A N D S
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>>102963790
Proof she's a 6 on the Kinsey Scale and always was
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>>102963824
It's proof of nothing but shit writing
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>>102963819
And the part about the fun not ending.

And "with Jake the Dog and Finn the Human".
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What was the name of that really late episode that was entire guest written by someone who wanted to actually make an AT episode and not Muto & Rebecca's Teen Hormones Gayfest so it's actually good like S1 and S2?
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>>102963932
Gotta be more specific than that. Food Chain and Ketchup were both guest written
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>>102963489
>makes a big bowl of candy punch for Finn's birthday
>It's not punch
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i want marceline to annihilate by boipussy
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I can't get over older Jeremy voicing Finn. I stopped watching in Season 3 and Finn just doesn't seem right if he isn't a screeching crackly little boy.
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You think that if Penn had stayed around, AT would have ended better?
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>>102964196
Nah i doubt it
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>>102964196
I bet my left nut that Golb wouldn't be the final bad boy under Penn.
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>>102964196
no doubt
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It honestly feels like Finn and Jake are just more hindrance for the writers of this show and comic than the main characters. If they had the option to kill them off, they probably would.
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>>102964260
No doubt. The later writers were always introducing their OC to try and make a big break for themselves. They didn't come up with Finn and Jake so they don't give a shit about those characters
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>>102964260
>hey Finn I'm generic woodland waifu, want to move in with me
>K
>editor's note: Finn spent the rest of his life in the woods and was never seen again
And this is chapter 1.
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No pls, don't kill me again, i have a little of hope that they will do something good with this.
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>rewatching series
>already blew through the first four seasons
>it gets so awful after this
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>>102964414
M-Muh lore and shiet.
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>>102964668
M-muh side characters
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>>102964724
M-Muh dykes with 6 years of foreshadowing.
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>>102964799
M-muh postmodernism
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>>102964833
M-Muh subverted expectations
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>>102964724
>>102964799
>>102964833
>>102964999
I hate the later seasons of this show and everything they represent
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>>102937016
>focuses on deep lore

Dude, the lore isn't important in Muto's AT, there are an enormous amount of dropped plots in this version of the story.
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>>102946260
>>102945668

accurate
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>>102946260
>>102945668

Impressive anon, that's exactly what happened
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>>102948682
>especially Islands but I didn't like the no gf thing

Islands was terribly boring, what a waste of the best plot of the whole story.
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>>102954625
This pic makes me wish that there was story/art of a tsundere fem-Roger.
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both. as long as i get my fix
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>>102941274
Man. I remember fantasying about being in Ooo. The early episodes made me feel like life there would be endless fun and adventure.

The newer one makes Ooo more threaten because it's more edgy and brings in societal problems.
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>>102967030
>Used to think about a funny lizard dude OC in OOO being a goober and making money doing odd jobs and getting into the occasional brawl
>Nowadays he'd probably be in the poor and in the gutter because of some stupid melodramatic shit because it's "mature" if he were an actual character.
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>>102959865
And PB has no morals at all.
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That's the best thing about her
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Isn't the background lore of the show supposed to be that Ooo is what's become of earth thousands of years after a nuclear war, evidenced by remains of tanks and ruined cities and shit?

Did anything actually come of that?
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>>102937016
>purposely making bad episodes
I still can't understand why anyone would do that.
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>>102959621
>as a kid
Come back when you finish high school.
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>>102937053
I bet Muto secretly masterminded the cgi godzila trilogy.
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>>102937016
>>102936855
I liked the Lore, but I know Ward would have done better with the lore. Just look at the comics Ward made. He did better.
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>>102939956
Sounds like total lazness mixed with some serious back room nudges that he couldnt morally agree with aka lesbians and reincarnation, making fun of Christianity with Glob. Reincarnation and "universal consciences". Thats all new age occult beliefs. Theres a bunch of stuff that could be and has been explored as to the subversion pushed onto the series with agenda pieces set in place.
>season 5 finale
Sounds terrible.

Yeah its a lot of work, but really? Couldn't muscle through a show you created? It just sounds so off.

I know I'm not the only one here on /co/ that sees this and thinks this. A few years ago they had an entire site dedicated to nit pick episodes of adventure time after Ward left.
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>>102959281
Simon
>manbun
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
APPOLOGIZE!
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>>102937016
fpbp
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>>102959523
I really cant stand Muto.
He has no idea what having a disability is like does he? This dude.

Your basic liberal trying to flower themselves with tolerance when infact they have no idea what hte party they think they're being "tolerant" of is really like, struggles they face, or feels.

Its one thing to think "muslims are our friends" and "diversity matters", but now I've got this dude saying "your disability is a good thing" basically.

Christ and his Saints healed the disabled.
Now I've got nsjw denouncing healing saying I'm better off disabled.

Hollywood is hell incarnate.
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>>102937016
/thread
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>>102936855
if wards adventure time never existed and the show started with mutos crap nobody would have watched it in the frst place
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>>102941274
i wish this post was pinned
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>>102943872
I need an edit of this.

"Total Drama Island outlived our Adventure Time"
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>>102943872
Isn't the movie still happening?
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>>102936855
Go Ward for Action, Muto for development.

Either way, grow the fuck up.
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>>102943590
It's mostly that some of the channers hate growth in a cartoon about Adventuring in a magical, yet post apocalyptic, world.
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>>102943590
>>102970711
>S7 on par with the first 2
>Good growth
Absolutely not and slap yourself for thinking so.

>pretty damn consistently good from start to finish
Consistently mediocre
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>>102970674
>Either way, grow the fuck up.
We can criticize bad writing anon and be civil about it. It doesn't make one less or more right off the bat.
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>>102959281
>>102959305
Simon is real cute, damn.
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>>102970674
>grow the fuck up
Explain why we can't criticize bad writing and be adults.
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>>102971009
Because Anarchy, that's why.
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>>102937016
This 100ù wrong. Both have been doing all of this.
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>>102969991
Lol no.
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>>102946515
>real video of Kendrick Lamar performing for a white crowd
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>>102946264
what ep? I think I might marathon all of adventure time next spring.
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>>102959281
>>102959345
Why did they start giving Lady eyelashes?
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>>102972523
Crossover, Season 7.
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>>102950327
Your post talking about being in denial and autism is very ironic.
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>>102973442
Give it up guy, they could have shown them in the little Montage at the end and this wouldn't have any baggage. But no they chose to have them apart.
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>>102973505
You spergs being mad that they left it open so as not to kill any of the surviving Finn ships is pretty funny to me.
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>>102961490
That's what these retards want nowadays, I mean look at Trump working hard to undo everything that happened during Obama pres. And the guy after Trump will work to undo his shit, etc. etc.
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>>102973584
What Finn ships?
Guy is forever alone in that end.
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>>102973654
Did he die in the ending you watched? Why would you think he's FOREVER alone? Stop projecting.
Also he was with HW at the time, she's still with her, I think the Season 11 comics will make that clear.
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>>102969826
I didn't know Ward is a Christian.
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>>102973730
>she's still with her
Yes, the pairing of PB and Marcy that,was confirmed is in the season 11. How good of you to notice.
Unless you mean HW, who never actually dated Finn, is a forgettable non-character, and the effort to show them both in the finale as being separate indicate they aren't a thing.
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>>102973851
Jesus Christ, you really are loving baiting and falsefalgging these last days, aren't you?
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>So what are all these writers going to do now this shit's ended?
Hopefully give themselves the rope in shame.
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>>102974195
>being honest is baiting and falseflagging
These past few days I've come to develop a burning dislike for Finntressfags who are so deluded they adamantly think their fanfiction has any validity. Only Muto's does sadly.





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