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Jax character is well written in the sense that it makes perfect sense why he did everything that he did, all of his actions are perfectly justified in a narrative sense (and because i know some of you are retarded and don't know what words mean what justified=/=correct, i mean justified by the narrative) but he is still a dogshit character, nothing in his story justifies all the focus and screentime he got, his arc could have been an email.
IT'S EASY TO DECEIVEIT'S EASY TO TEASEBUT HARD TO GET RELEASEYES WITHOUT A FACE
Ragatha is straight, she's dying to become a mother.
Jax is my favorite lesbian
Isn't she lovelyIsn't she wonderful
Your own problem if you self inserted/wanted to fix a self hating troon. Let it be a lesson to all of the tumblr fandoms.
Day one believerAbsolutely vindicated
Post stuff like this! I wanna hear more about your guys' OCs and what they're like so I can pretend to know what my own OC would do around them!
>>153858029Just like Pomni. There is no way they will live as lesbians considering most women hate other women. They will most likely fight over who gets to give a better birthday present to Kinger becuase they will develop weird daddy issues with him.
>>153858025I can agree that if it were up to me I would rather Jax have not been the focus of the show in the finale.
>>153858025Jax was weak because he felt bad about not stopping Kaufmo before he died, and humans can be abstracted under strong stress, and he is not able to return from abstraction.Caine was strong because he feels no guilt regarding their abstractions, and even if he does, it won't abstract him, and he can't be erased by console command.So you need superpower and psychopathic remorselessness to survive.
>>153858034Jax is neither a she nor wonderful. goose almost certainly intended the song to be about him but at best it only works as dark humor and even then it doesn't land
>>153858029yes with her husband Pomni!
>>153858029>>153858053They can conjure dicks and uteri now they'll be fine
>the sceneraio where rags abstracts jax takes it so hard he becomes the jonklerBUNNYDOLL WE WON!nothing.
>>153858039>gets no story o shipping for entire story>she still doesnt get anything in the finale, her only "win" is not getting abstractedLMAO MALDgatha
>>153858029>>153858053Conjuration babies and futa cocks :)
>>153857993Caine coming back and getting the good ending after running the circus like it was Dachau shows that it was never about "deserving" for either character.
>>153858072ehh i'll take what I can get
>>153857924Jax has only gotten worse around Pomni because she was poking where it hurt, what these threads as a whole doesn't seem to understand and acts as if it was in the right is that kind of behavior did more harm than good, it wasn't the right way to handle it and Ragatha herself was a indicative on how it wouldn't work out.Pomni peeked in beyond the veil because she was desperate for connection and unfortunately, Jax wasn't ready, it was too much too quick and Hell, even the flashback with Ribbit shows that same end result, except Jax couldn't handle a repeat.Not every problem is solved by pushing further and further into a person's problem, it can lead to more harm than good.Jax did need a friend, one that could tag along on his antics and it was up to the other party to slowly guide them away from self-destruction, not insistence on opening up further, because he wasn't ready to break free from his egg.
>>153858075>ESLDone
>>153858069>>153858076Why would they need to conjure dicks and get pregnant in the first place when they could conjure a child and skip the mess?
>>153858072I KNOW YOU WANTED TO FUCK HER YOU DUMB RABBIT!!!
>>153858075>no shipping>doesnt get anything in the finalelmao what are you talking about
>>153858072Jax is dead in every universe. BunnyDoll and FunnyBunny is as legit as Ribbun.
>>153858059yep you're so right you're right about everything the message is that only people with superpowers get to live, good job. now that you've won the thread you can go away forever and not come back conglaturation!!!
>>153858045Reposting Kaijacques' chart. I've talked about this a few more times already but I'm okay with talking about it again, these threads go by so fast that the OC counter-current could use any momentum it can get
>>153858059Jax was weak because he was too scared to ask for help or be his true self long before he abstracted.Caine is strong for making that change.No superpowers necessary.
>>153858096
I really liked the little detail of Jax knowing how to play piano.It's something humanising, and an aspirational hobby, which isn't really a luxury that's afforded to them in the circus. It's counter-intuitively creative, which plays to that more endearing side he doesn't nurture. It's something that could have fostered social bonds which he squandered (particularly to Ragatha, who has a piano in her room, and Gangle who also finds a way to indulge in a creative hobby). And as someone who also has deep seated trust issues, I have a lot of random little hobbies and interests that I instinctively hide even from people who've known me for years for literally no reason lol
>>153858045tEMPLATE?
>>153858108>lobotomizes myself so I can become good againIt's that easy
>>153858097Did your mother never hugged you like this on someones funeral? You shippers really are pitiful animals.
>>153858077It never was. Writer just wanted to make people depressed and desperate fanboys seek answer why Jax 'deserve' it, ignoring the same writer asspull revived Caine to give the Big Tops a mandatory happy ending.
>>153858095Ragatha wants the full experience of motherhood
>>153858108Well Caine also survived dying and was able to take away part of himself to improve, he and Jax are not the same.
>>153858022This was asked in a previous thread but what are the Amazing Digital OCs ordering at the cafe, and why?
>>153858108>Caine is strong for making that change.Before he was deleted? Absolutely no. Do you think Caine was able to return if he had no power to return?
>>153858131my OC will give her the amazing digital creampie
> make character ur self insert > character rapes and beats women > character kills trans person in fantasy > character drives gf to suicide > character kills themselves > character happier and not mentally ill living life as a boygooseworx what does this mean
>>153858131Fair enough
>>153858122>makes a choice to changeYes it is that easy. Jax should have done that.>>153858133>dyingDeleting and abstraction are not the same thing as each other or death.>Him and Jax are differentYes, Jax refuses to change and better himself at the many opportunities he had and Caine does
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAAXjHKXhNI
>>153858088Pomni pushed too hard in episode 6, but I think afterwards she handled it well. It's just that the plot kept serving up crises to fuck him up.I wonder how he would have reacted to the episode 7 adventure if he hadn't fought with Pomni in 6.
Thank god goose ignored ragatha for so long so he wouldn't have a chance to ruin her.
i feel like there was meant to be another flashback that contradicts Jax's own flashback showing that he's been looking at his past in a lense of guilt and self hatred that puts himself in the worst light but that cut because Jax's had to die or something
>>153858156>everyone is shown to be happier after character dies>everyone on xitter tells you to kill yourselfyou are hereextrapolate the conclusion
>>153858122>Jax lobotomizes himself so it becomes even worseHey, wait a minute...
Posting this here too:>>153857370This, and this very much includes the obnoxious and endless hoard who “know how fuck up and horrible Jax is that’s why we love him!”With any level of torturous ending and “the show acknowledging his flaws” Jax is just a boring as shit character, he’s just not interesting at all.It’s like people think what made Tony Soprano, Walter White, or Bojack “iconic” is what horrible people they were, not that they were overall well-written.Also - just look at the discussion of the finale. Now it almost all has to be about this nothingburger of a shitty rabbit character with a handful of precious yurifags mixed in. Jax never should have had so much screentime.
>Caine, who did did far worse things than Jax, for only 1/10th of the justification, was able to come back, by simply deleting the part of his body that made him bad in a deus ex machina asspull>Real life Leroy got his shit together under far worse conditions than circus Jax. Jax never had to worry about sleeping, eating, shitting, shelter ever again, and was surrounded by a network of potential friends, whereas Leroy was homeless, and only had one friend reach out to him>Jax clearly shows signs of regret and even wanting to improve himself over the course of the episodes after 6, even wanting to help the group out to rebuild before abstractingThere's literally zero excuse for Jax to be irredeemable.
>>153858072I'll continue to read, maybe even create AUs and whatnot, i came from /a/ after reading the pile of shit that was my hero academia but i can't deny that it made an excellent playground for new stories and i will treat tadc the same way, it's fun.
>>153858136something sweet and whimsical like a big goofy sundae
>They bring Jax back and encourage him to become a woman>girl clothes, makeup, etc>after a few adventures he stops>very awkwardly thanks everyone, but he's going to try not being a girl again>everyone instantly accepts this>he feels foolish again
>>153858072>Not a single proper conversation after ep5 >The finale has ZERO interaction between them>The only thing you get is a what if scenario >A scene that will ONLY be remembered as "that part where he choked pomni" fuuuuuuuccckkkkk ...... FUCK!
>>153858103I saved a screenshot so I could give an explanation if someone asked about Spoils!
>>153858178how long until goosefag makes a detrans post
>>153858120Pomni needed his help on the keyboard in the credits
>>153858183Well, the author wanted Jax to get as fucked over as possible.That's it.
>>153857450I wonder if Glitch will start to sell abstracted Jax dog figures and plushies, complete with detachable pink bow
>>153858183There’s a great excuse1. He gave up on himself2. He gave up on everyone else3. He killed himself4. The moral of the series to to not do that5. Consequences convey the above message far more powerfully than O MY MAGICAL POKEMON TEARS
>>153858121Here you go!>>153858079AHHHHH THIS IS SO FUCKING CUTE
>>153858183>There's literally zero excuse for Jax to be irredeemable.He really isn't. People who have never dealt with actual bullying think he's evil
>>153858174I'd say her character is damaged by goose just forgetting she exists and/or being a heavily flawed writer, but overall she gets out relatively unscathed
>>153858186>whatnot, i came from /a/ after reading the pile of shit that was my hero academia but i can't deny that it made an excellent playground for new storiesYeah Vigilante was good.
>>153858177Yeah sameNothing that'd prove he's not a destructive asshole, just something to contradict the idea that he's the irredeemable piece of shit he tries to portray, that'd prove he didn't deserve to die, that there was a way forward if he'd dared to tryI really expected the brain scans to be more relevant in 9 to facilitate something like this, like I was expecting the mind scape shit I just thought it'd be more comprehensive and not justified via the random "btw you can visit something while they abstract" thing suddenly being thrown in there
>>153858190Bunnydoll is stupid, but I'm very mad this relationship was neglected.
>>153858183You ain't wrong, although I don't want this to be an excuse for Caine not to get redeemed. I just think Caine's redemption should have been more difficult.
Stop throwing tantrums and desperately look for bullshit to nitpick. The show is not that hard to understand.
>>153858202They have a figurine of him ready to go that strongly implies his abstraction but it's arguably the best designed piece of merch this show's gotten.
>>153858216>I'd say her character is damaged by goose just forgetting she exists and/or being a heavily flawed writerKinda both
>>153858190>>The finale has ZERO interaction between themThat's not true! He makes fun of her for still being abused by her mother in the real world!
>>153858214I've dealt with bullying and what Jax does is child's play in comparison, specially considering they're pretty much cartoons that can just get back up.Caine did far worse if we're going through comparisons.This shit feels like the latinx dilemma on getting butthurt on behalf of others.
>>153858088>>153858173Except that pomni did literally nothing wrong.When jax was having his little we were never friends moment pomni actually took it as a betrayal, almost shot herself over it (even if it was just an adventure game) and attacked him when he said he was joking, when jax the has his incel meltdown about then being his playthings she realizes he is just faking it and worries but she literally didn't try to press him about it literally all she did was give him space while offering occasional words of encouragement and her hand when they thought they could escape in ep 8.That literally all she did, how did she press too hard? If anything she didn't press hard at all, she literally says she wishes she tried harder right before jax abstracts, when jax walks away she doesn't even wonder what was that about.
>>153858223Yes exactly
There’s a youtube vid of episode 9 but sped up with 100k right now and half of the comments are saying it can’t be real since the movie is an hour Do people not know they’re going to be watching episode 8 again?
>>153858223Jax burned those bridges himself.
>>153858223They want to be mad.
>>153858241I'm the second guy, and I'm not saying Pomni did anything wrong, just talking in a sense of cause/effect
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>>153858216Its better than what could have done if goose cared about her.
>>153858223If that was the message, then they probably shouldn't have showed everyone being super happy and living their best life now that Jax is dead.
>>153858136Spoils loves sweets, baked goods, and the like!A benefit of the circus is she can eat all she wants know without health risk, which she was always bummed about irl!Smores also got more fun for her because now she can roast marshmallows with fire breath!She also would definitely try to bake people cakes to make them feel special. Not Jax though. She'd make him a microwaved egg if anything.
>>153858254where is the falsehood in this statement?
I have to be honest, seeing ragathas image on the door crossed out like that fills me with dread and anxiety
If teen gooseworx watched the finale what do you think his reaction would be?
>>153858241>almost shot herself over itShe did not
>>153858271Damn, it is almost like Jax could also have had all that if he hadn't killed himself.
>>153858243>Do people not know they’re going to be watching episode 8 again?A weird amount of people don't seem to realise this
>>153858077Yeah if you’re reading this who thing as an asinine self-righteous moral lecture it was no fucking sense, Jax is EXACTLY as much of an inhuman AI as Caine is, in fact an AI with more limited training data and “younger” and Caine has been low to high key torturing everybody for years.CAINE is the character who has been making everybody kill themselves this whole time.Mind you, the difference is that Caine is actually an interesting character unlike Jax and a finale about him would be actually interesting. Also, I don’t want to see Caine punished, because that last thing I want from this show is a stupid morality tale.
>>153858275Nowhere. I thought it was the best encapsulation yet of why the ending is so fucked in regard to Jax.
>Jax gets endless chances to accept the offered hand and ignores them>Caine gets two decades to listen to what the humans tell him and he ignores them>Jax continues to ignore everyone until it leads to his own abstraction>Caine doubles down on his own worst impulses and creates a scenario that leads to his own deletion>After abstracting Jax comes to regret it but can't do anything about it because he waited too long to change course>After deletion Caine comes to regret it and gets to come back and be friends with everyoneIts alright to admit that Caine's arc is narratively unsatisfying.>>153858243Post it, want to see the comments.
>>153858088I think even taking it for granted that adjusting to the circus being your life now and playing along with everyone = a good thing assumes a lot. After we know it eventually drove everyone else crazy to be there, tweaking out on people and losing his grip on reality seems like a pretty normal human reaction.
>>153858223>suicide is not the answer>but the setting and the characters are much better off after it happened
>>153858190>>153858072this ship is like the middle child of the family, absolutely fucking ignored
>>153858279Probably about the same as Jaxfags watching
>>153858254The term "sadomasochism" has generally taken on the meaning of a sex thing where people wear leather and get whipped. But Goose's treatment of Jax is its actual, literal meaning.
>>153858293fair enough, i thought by the filename there was some disagreement
>>153858275The falsehood is the basic premise, refusing to engage with what the show is actually saying through Jax’s tragedy and solely deriving meaning from twitter shitposts by the author and a lolcow headcanon.
>>153858274>she'd make Jax a microwaved eggwhere would she get a Jax-sized microwave?
The message is that trannies make everyone's lives around them worse and they are better off without xim
>>153858299It's more like it was the cherished only child until your divorced parent remarried and then everything became about the new baby they had with their new partner. Bunnydoll used to be at the top of the world.
>>153858164>They’re comparable if it means I’m right>No comparison to be made if it betrays flaws in my thinkingIronclad mate
>>153858309Fuck that got me good
>>153858295Caine's arc isn't unsatisfying because of the bare fact that he was redeemed, it was that it was too easy and it happened anyway. Jax's is the exact inverse. It's frustrating because he suffered so much but the narrative still made him a canine cuck toilet in the end.
>>153858308The problem is that the message is harmed by basically everything surrounding Jax's abstraction and it ends up making no fucking sense.If the main takeaway was supposed to be that he was an asshole with zero redeeming qualities who deserved to abstract, then it rings hollow since you have Caine, a flaming narcissist who psychologically and physically tortured everyone over hurt feelings, show up and become friends with everyone like nothing ever happened.If the main takeaway was that he was a cautionary tale about how you can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved, then fine. But his human self got his shit together when a friend reached out to him and as far as we can tell he's a good guy and a productive member of society which means that this cautionary tale doesn't work because bunny Jax should have been capable of the same thing.Hell, if the main takeaway is that he has bad gender dysphoria and his issues would have been fixed if he was able to freely be the girl he is inside, it doesn't work either because he's still a dude in the real world and is doing just fine.He works fine if you view him as a troubled guy who becomes worse in a high stress environment that brings out the worst in him since it shows the inherent horror of being trapped in the Digital Circus, but in that case he should have just abstracted in episode 7 since he was on the edge of doing so to begin with.His death is not well written at all, nor was his character handled well.
>>153858301Ironic since so many sexual fetishes are in the show
>>153858284You mean, if he didn't burn those bridges?
Ragapom is so cute
Well atleast Jax is a asian twink irl.
>>153858298It kind of reminds me of Arcane season 2 where in an alternate timeline Vi dies and suddenly everything gets better and there is peace between the two townsI know that wasn't the point but it's still funny that's what it ended up being and even in the time of the story it doesn't make sense for some characters to get along
>>153858319>no nuance allowed
>>153858298The thing is that everything gets better after Caine changes because Caine changed. The Jax shit is just a weird diversion.
>>153858175Still need to rape this social retard
>>153858328>He works fine if you view him as a troubled guy who becomes worse in a high stress environment that brings out the worst in him since it shows the inherent horror of being trapped in the Digital Circus, but in that case he should have just abstracted in episode 7 since he was on the edge of doing so to begin with.This is the most consistent reading, and it makes the effortless and immediate redemption of Caine (the one who put him in that high stress environment) all the worse
>>153858279Suicide.
The reason you have so many ways to rewrite tadc. Is simpy because it's a nothing burger show and you are just introducing a something burger ingredient.
>>153858349Why?
>>153858328Them saving Jax regardless of him being an asshole would have been uplifting. >"Why did you save me? I've been an asshole, for years!">"Just because you're a bad person, that doesn't give us an excuse to be bad people too."
>jax fumbled ribbit >Fumbled ragatha >Fumbled gangle>Fumbled pomni >All because of his persecution and victim complexShouldn't have burn those bridges rabbit fuck.
They should've played a Radiohead song instead of Stevie Wonder during Jax's death scene.
Horrifying thought: If Goose hadn't been able to do Jax's arc in the creepy self-indulgent way she did, would she have even had any interest in making the show?
>>153858339>asian twink irlI thought he was french or something because of his family name.
>>153858369Ew>>153858380Probably couldn't afford it
>>153858365submissive prey vibes that makes her look like it's exactly what she wants even if she would never admit it.she's the type to fold under pressure unless she already has a social "boss" and then she goes from doing whatever anybody wants to thinking "I don't know if [X] would want me to lemme ask"
>>153858328>the main takeaway was that he was a cautionary tale about how you can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved, then fine.It’s this>But his human self got his shit togetherBecause he didn’t have his Ribbit moment and therefore was not as entrenched in his trauma/identity issues. It works because as Pomni says directly to the camera, they are not their brain donors, they are their own people. Jax had potential if he made the right choice like Leroy but he didn’t.His death was incredibly set up, consistent and thematically on point. Of all the reasons to complain about the finale how it handled Jax specifically is not it.
I wonder if Goose held off on Ragatha and Pomni getting a major bonding scene to make their moment in the finale more impactful? If so, then it was a mistake, but I could see where was coming from
>>153858386>frenchwe already have a frog, dumbo
>>153858332no its notyou already have a lesbian canon shipAND YOU WANT FUCKING MORETAKE IT ALLLEAVE NO MORE FOR STRAIGHT SHIPS YOU GREEDY LESBIAN CUNTSYOU HOG ALL THE DHIPS AND WANT MORE MORE MORE FUCK YOU
>>153858380Nice dream...
>>153858385considering how many gags and aspects of the show are around goose's fetishes, i kinda doubt it. this is all a weird sexcapade condensed into 9 episodes of wasted time.
>>153858396Yes I want it all muahahahaha
>>153858392>Because he didn’t have his Ribbit moment and therefore was not as entrenched in his trauma/identity issuesAlso Leeroy probably didn't kill his mom. Actually I'm gonna just say he didn't kill her since he was a free person in 2017. But the fact is Leeroy knew for sure he didn't kill her.
>>153858214Yeah and again the way Jax treated Ribbit was shitty and vile but how the fuck sheltered and young do you have to be if that’s the worst thing that someone can do? I don’t even keep track of people being that mild level of asshole to others and myself not because it’s okay but because it sadly happens and way worse all the fucking time.Caine’s position of power makes that scenario way more accurate to experiencing actual NPD narcissist abuse, with the psychological and physical torture and no option to just walk away.
>>153858390i see
Waiter! Waiter! More shippernigger seething, please!
>>153858396No one cares about Gangle x zooble
>>153858396It's gonna be so bad on /co/ if that guy was right about Kit being a lesbian lol
>>153858369oh my god. them not babysitting the abusive, friend-murdering psycho 24/7 so he doesn't kill himself after they tried countless times to help him does not make them bad people
>>153858136Kaijacques would want to order something "grown-up" and "refined", like a cocktail with a weird name. Maybe one that doesn't even exist, just so he can be all like "you wouldn't have heard of it". Once Caine fails to give him what he wants, Kaijacques just orders a black coffee.
>>153858358I think if you don’t assume Goose was thinking this is supposed to be a kids’ cartoon life lesson and just take it as a story about characters it’s way less weird to compare the storylines, anons got attached to defending it as le message very quickly.
What a weird and bad ending that was, holy shit.
It’s okay Anon I’m sure Ragapom would double team you if you asked nicely
>>153858412ive been seething since ep6.
I don’t get why jax hated his mom even though his dad is the one that left
>>153858409yeah. she's made for bossing around, making her take care of herself because you KNOW she doesn't, face fucking, exhibitionism, and telling her that her insecurities are stupid because she has inherent value beyond sex.you gotta bully her plenty but with the setting of "it's just a sex thing and sometimes you need the boot to your ass to get moving".
>>153858412Would be a nice change from the antis crying.
>>ILL SUCK YOUR DICK, PLEASE! ANYTHING! YOU WANT ME TO EAT SHIT? I'LL EAT YOUR FUCKING SHIT!!what did goose mean by this?
>>153858418But Jax not babysitting Kaufmo makes him friend murdering psycho?
>>153858407For real. It's like getting dumped by a co-worker or something, and things are fucking unbearable afterwards because you have to see each other every day and one of you might be a fucking sperg, but you don't fucking kill yourself over it unless you've already got huge issues of your own
>>153858241>Except that pomni did literally nothing wrong.She literally did, just because it seems "right" to you, doesn't mean it's the "right" option for Jax. Someone with trauma has to be handled differently like a surgery, not YOLO BALLS TO THE WALL LET'S TALK BESTIE YAY.>When jax was having his little we were never friends moment pomni actually took it as a betrayal, almost shot herself over it Because it was a parallel to Ribbit and Jax, in the best of his current ability, tried to fix it the way he could which really isn't that great either. A person drowning isn't the best at saving another one. Which is what led to the fighting and fallout.>when jax the has his incel meltdown about then being his playthings she realizes he is just faking it and worries but she literally didn't try to press him about it literally all she did was give him space while offering occasional words of encouragement and her hand when they thought they could escape in ep 8.Which loops back to the pushing too far part, she should just have backed off and given him space, her own perception and stubbornness like Gooseworx tried to convey is what contributed to his demise, like I said before it did more harm than good.He's traumatized over being homeless, thinking her hurt his bitch of a mom, burdened by insecurities surrounding masculinity and vulnerability, for fucks sake. I've handled trauma, and trauma isn't solved by sheer insistence, it's knowing when to give space and when to help when you allow them to but no, armchair psychologists of /tadc/ are hellbent on saying "BuT hE bRoUgHt It UpOn HiMsElF tHO??" while completely discarding trauma as something minor and inconsequential. That's not how it works, at all.Trauma is a massive fucking bitch of a weight that will always drag you down and your best hope is psychological help.1/2
>>153858421Because the message is the driving force of the whole story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k85mRPqvMbERibbit theme
we need more yuri in cartoons
>>153858421Yeah, honestly I think Glitch is more to blame here for not stepping in and at least giving her a reality check on how this was gonna come off
>>153858392>Jax had potential if he made the right choice like Leroy but he didn’t.Except Leroy was in a far worse situation than Circus Jax was. He was completely homeless, friendless, and alone, constantly worrying about eating, sleeping, shelter, etc, stuff that he never had to worry about in the circus. In the circus, Jax had an entire network of potential friends and people that were actively supporting him through the last three episodes. Leroy only had one friend reach out to him and offer him help. Comparing the two's situations, it makes absolutely zero sense that circus Jax ended up worse than his real life counterpart. "Themes and such" isn't an excuse. If the main point was that, then they should have had him abstract way earlier.
>>153858450based beyond belief
>>153858438him pushing ribbit to the point of abstraction makes him a murderer you disingenuous fuck
>>153858136Tiramisu
>>153858452the ragapom hug did feel like goose indulging his /u/faggotry but damn if it didn't tug at the heartstrings
>>153858432His mother was clearly emotionally abusiveAnd he didn't say he hated either of them
>>153858455bro is really power scaling the suffering between real life jax and circus jax
>>153858452We actually need less.
>>153858452The last like 10 years or so have been full of western yuri. Need less of it.
>>153858407>Yeah and again the way Jax treated Ribbit was shitty and vile but how the fuck sheltered and young do you have to be if that’s the worst thing that someone can do?When your whole world is four other people it makes sense.
>>153858455leroy was not in an enviroment where humanity is stripped away from you and you are at the whims of a god
>1/2Im not reading all that lol.
>>153858455>me when I'm retardedI don't have time to explain, I have to sleep, but I just want you to know this is the stupidest shit I've read all day(NTA)
>>153858471>bro is finally analyzing and finna mup da doo didda on gahh blub lil bro crine sonion
>but Jax is TRAUMATIZEDhe's a pussy with a personality disorder, Ragatha is obviously traumatized and doesn't hurt other people, Gangle is obviously traumatized and doesn't hurt other people, Jax is just a fucking retard with BPD
is jax goose's self insert or leeroy... bc why tf is leeroy a man lol goose whats going on
>>153858407the average person has traumatic memories of not being picked first at sports.. That's their whole trauma. And they think this is a serious issue. Jax was terrified of Ribbit telling anyone about his gay thoughts, imagine if everyone found out Jax's gayness>PomniOh... that's fine i just thought... never mind, it's fine Jax>RagathaThat's against the bible!>GangleOh... have you heard of Yaoi?>ZoobleWait this whole thing is you being Gay? You're an ass to everyone so nobody will find out you're a homo? holy shit that's pathetic, oh and so your whole fight with Pomni is because you have the hots for her and are sexually confused jesus christ you millenials are so fucking pathetic, Imma get a strap on for Pomni, you're 100% bottom energy Jax and we all know it
>>153858136Probably a hot chocolate with marshmallows in it because she really likes sweet stuff >>153858433That's weirdly specific
>>153858469But with the way he treated almost all woman in the circus and causing the suicide of one of them is it too far fetched to say he had some resentment towards his mom
>>153858444The bottom line is that most people that dealt with Jax were unprepared to handle him, and, comically enough, the one that could was deemed cuckoo by Jax and disregarded.Stop undercutting Jax problems because you dislike him for whatever reason(it really doesn't matter which even it's about, this is not what this post was about).2/2
>Goose"There's no romance. It's not that kind of show""UNLESS IT'S BETWEEN LESBIANS"Every time.I can't wait for Deltarune fags to have that purple dinosaur be a lesbian too and all their shipperfag shit fall apart because Toby is a hardcore yurifag too.
>>153858460>Friend tells you to fuck off>Keep going back to him>He keeps telling you to fuck offJax was a motherfucker but after a certain point you are responsible for managing your personal relationships by yourself and knowing when you need to walk away. You can't rely on other people for it. Gee, doesn't that sound familiar.
>>153858460Caine did that, not JaxAnd everyone is fine with Caine just coming back
>>153858490>no argument
>>153858493I'm disabled, and i can use stairs, you're just a pussy
if you guys help me get a show with glitch i'll give you a canon main straight couple but it's amofh
>>153858496Goonerism is not a substitute for proper character writing.
Would kinger fix jax if given the chance?
>>153858442Yeah and honestly one common but a therapy wisdom is that suicides are complex, there’s usually not any one thing that makes a person kill themselves and the idea that the moral takeaway here is supposed to be that Jax “murdered” Ribbit and Kaufmo and that having a fight with a loved one who commits suicide is fucking crazy, holy shit. That’s an insane line of thinking that a therapist will immediately dismantle with survivors. If that (and also that Jax SHOULD) have killed himself like 4chan has decided is really the whole point of the series, how insanely irresponsible and toxic is TADC?
>>153858420Spoils would bring him one of those fancy milk art lattes because he's a SILLY NERD or skip the coffee entirely if he's just pretending to like it to seem mature
You'd think most people dissatisfied with Jax's arc would be Jaxfags or Funnybunny shippers, but I have a theory that they aren't. Could I get a roll call of people who disliked it and whether they were? I myself wasn't either one. No special bias toward (or against) the character, I just thought it was fucked.
>>153858509>least dishonest jaxfag:
>>153858519>spoilerpost tits.
Caine never caused an abstraction nor he controlled anyone's minds beyond some modifiers for gags.
>>153858503>I can't wait for Deltarune fags to have that purple dinosaur be a lesbian too and all their shipperfag shit fall apart because Toby is a hardcore yurifag too.GoodI don't care if yurifags winI want shipperfags to lose
>>153858519Fuck no, it needs to be hmofa or bust
>>153858493And would you look at that, each of them handled their problems differently Wow, amazing how people are affected differently over their own personal Hells, right?You want to run in the comparison between them? We can do it, no problem.
>>153858529i forgot where Jax made fake exits to torment someone and created a torture chamber where they were kept for years
How many Jax copes do we have so far>it’s goose’s fault I deserved a free asspull>It’s Pomni’s fault because I would have tried even harderer>Jax never had a chance not to kill himself he was retarded and had no agency>It’s hard to be better so we can’t expect that of him>The show just did it for no reason and I refuse to find one>I’m upset so it sucks>But mooooom how come Caine gets to redeem himself and not me that’s not fair!
>>153858532maybe later
>>153858519>but it's amofhIm ok with that
>>153858499What can I say? I have a specific type of sad girl I really like. She's definitely the type to go "What are you doing?" and never saying no if you start forcing yourself on her for the first time and just accepting it from the second time onwards.
>>153858528Jax is my least favorite character on the show. I hated his arc because it took up so much goddamn time, like a creative tumor. I just don’t care and now he is the ONLY thing anyone is talking about or will talk about.
I pray that anyone empathizing with and defending Jax is forced to deal with someone like him
>>153858540I shall not engage with your strawmen.
>>153858533Scratch.Kaufmo.Who knows who else?
>>153858535>>153858519Just make it both. There's several characters in a story just have a side romance be the other one. Make HMOFA and HFOMA propaganda. Way better than "YOU SHOULD KILL YOURSELF NOW!" shit that Goose made.
>>153858540seems like they have a lot of very good reasons why killing off the main character of a show in the finale was a bad choice
>>153858535i'll support you getting your own show too
>>153858540>He was hecking depressed that makes everything he did by his own choice not his fault
>>153858455Jax is in an incomprehensibly more mentally taxing situation. Humans aren’t meant to live there.
>>153858539you sure forgot the part where ribbit was happy before Jax started treating her like shit.
>>153858528Even the worst Jax haters absolutely hate Jax's ending, because him abstracting essentially gave him an easy way out of having to take any accountability for anything that he had done.
>everyone makes their work about their fetishes>the only reason goose is catching strays is because the show got popularMakes you think success isn't worth it.
>>153858571Yeah pretty much this.
>>153858540Got them malding with this one chief
>>153858552And I pray you don't lump the bogeyman you compared to Jax only because you hate the character and want him to be Hitler 2.0.
>>153858552When I say his arc was fucked I'm not defending his actions. Everything he did was unjustifiable, almost comically so. My problem is that it became torture porn instead of having a satisfying conclusion that didn't create unintended dissonance with the rest of the finale.
>>153858568>But Jax-Everyone is responsible for creating their own happiness, anon. Ribbit not being able to do that independent of Jax is shitty writing.
>>153858528I hate Jax and disliked the ending because it wasn't worth it having him take the spotlight since ep 5.I like that he died though.
>>153858223>suicide is not the answer >but Gooseworx will commit it
>>153858528It was great and I found Jax to be an interesting character.
>>153858573Goose's got away with it for the most part. Jax was ripped apart most of the show and everyone laughed. But he pushed it way too far with the whole 'dying while crying and begging' thing.
>>153858540Having too many reasons to hate the ending isn't something you can be proud of, anon.
>>153858573no the only reason goose is catching strays is because there was zero interesting payoff to any of the characters. caine got a crumb and pomni got an atom, and that's it.
Should I recommend this show to my other?
>>153858573If I made a successful piece of art I would simply not interact with my fanbase
>>153858595>torture pornBecause it is.
>>153858571I wanted him to apologize, to everyone, and really mean it. then i wanted to see the next day, where he comes out and can't make eye contact with anyone, humiliated, but so glad to be alive he's not about to abstract
>>153858573His fetishes genuinely suck, even actual trannies are hating on it.
>>153858612All those great cope— I mean, reasons lol
>>153858607I genuinely think people wouldn't have had a problem with even the worst of Jax torture if he would have just been allowed to survive and atone instead of dying and becoming a dog eternally living in a toilet
>>153858623
>>153858623Holy shit.And fanboys are trying to find a logical reason from fetish. Disgusting.
>>153858519>amofh
Is Murder Drones worth watching?I thought the TADC finale was between okay-good
>>153858636Him having actual terminal consequences is what makes it good.
this whore is definitely the type to let you knock her up because she can't say no and she's afraid you'll stop touching her otherwise
If you made glitch next hit, what poorly disguised fetish would you insert into the series?For me it would be harem and interracial (all the females in the harem are different fictional species)
>>153858646No
It will be interesting to see Jax in future merch commercials
>>153858638
>>153858645anthro male/female human pairing
>>153858644Outed yourself as a secondary
>>153858655Futanari.
>>153858601>who cares how Jax treated her Ribbit should've just been happy anyway broI'd think you were baiting if I hadn't already seen jaxfags trying to claim that Gangle actually enjoys Jax's bullying
bravo gooze
>>153858568All of the characters in that environment eventually committed suicide though, except for Kinger who went totally insane.This wasn’t a happy supportive environment where everyone was perfectly happy and healthy and then Jax introduced sadness for the very first time into the circus and episode 8 and the end of this finale make no sense with that take.Anyway, I think Jax IS an irredeemable asshole because he sucks and has no positive qualities, and he was a massive dick to Ribbit and everybody, but “he MURDERED Ribbit and Kaufmo!!!” is a completely retarded take. If being trapped in the circus had nothing to do with their suicides and it was ALL just Jax, why have it be part of the story that EVERYONE in the circus eventually kills themselves?
>>153858663>Pomni: and that's our new merch line for today, what do you think jax>J: *bark*>P: good boy, whose a good boy, yes you're, you want the toy go fetch
>>153858653It could be fine (although not as good imo because I'm a Christian who always prefers redemption) if Jax had terminal consequences, but you would need to 1. Not have him crying and begging at the end, have him stubbornly refuse even up to the point Pomni is hugging him so it feels more justified2. Don't have the Isn't She Lovely tiktok edit and take his death more seriously without the clunky gear shift toward everything being okay
So let me get this straight.Jax intuited correctly that there's no way out, Caine is an incomprehensible algorithm,the 'game' appears vibes based and works better if they lean into their roles.And they lobotomized him for this?
>>153858654What makes you think that?
Is this technically masturbation? Sadomasochism?
>>153858223>"Suicide is not the answer">after Jax's suicide everyone is notably happierHmnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
I thought you guys have mindlessly been talking shit about trans people for years on end, but no, Goose is literally every fucking stereotype you've guys have been talking about
>>153858601Then why would anyone care about jax not being able to get his shit together.
>>153858688Now that's some funny shit
>>153858688Had to check if this was real because it's lowkirkenuinely the kind of thing Goose would post
>>153858655Futa, especially futa on male
>>153858683Ribbit should have found comfort in her friendship with Kaufmo or Ragatha like Gangle did in Zooble. Again, shitty writing.
>>153858701It’s just bad writing.
>>153858655>>153858519this but it'd also contain elements of monsterfucking
>>153858701A bit of both.
>>153858703You silly billy. Caine coming back and ushering in a utopia was not dependent on Jax dying. By killing himself, he literally missed out on it.
>>153858701It is literally sadomasochism.
>acts like a selfish, petulant piece of shit for the entire series>objectively makes everyone's lives worse>everyone keeps trying to be his friend anyway>diesokay
>>153858708He is pitiable but he brought his death on himself.
>>153858694>the 'game' appears vibes based and works better if they lean into their roles.No, the show explicitly says the opposite
>>153858693As a Christian do you believe that the man who doesn’t seek redemption will, barring a miracle of God, surely be damned to hell, something you lament but can’t return from? Because TADC follows that system.
>>153858699She already has a pretty passive personality. The way she holds herself especially shows she doesn't have confidence and if you forced herself on her and she didn't have someone who has already claimed her, she'd have no real will to express any discontent.You could even get her to give "consent" if you wanted pretty easily by egging her on with comments "Are you gonna stop me?" which she definitely could only respond to with a "No.
>>153858701I can't get over how fucked it is for a trans person to dedicate an entire cartoon series to torturing (sometimes erotically) and eventually killing the teen pre-transition version of themself. It's spiritually sickening.
>>153857996i say this with all my heart that if they made jax sacrificial??? there would be barely any hate from how it ends on jaxs part and instead most of the hate would be coming from lorefags (c&a, who tf is bubble, scratch, etc...)
>>153858749Ahh yes, the twitter discourseMy favourite.
>>153858694I don’t think I’d get from just watching this that Jax’s suicide is good or just desserts or that disabled and/or trans people should all kill themselves or something, but the internet has sure decided that’s what the show is about AND Goose has had this bizarre self hating flagellation thing going with Jax’s character for a long time, so maybe it is?If I just watched the show with no discourse I would just think Jax’s death was meant to be sad and the finale would be pretty good.
>>153858768You’ve certainly said that a lot but Jax is no hero
>>153858701>Jax is my self-insert>I get horny from making my self-insert suffer>I want my self-insert's story to end with him a mindbroken cuckdog drifting through an aquarium tank as his conscious mind is trapped in his own body festering in regrets foreverUnironically, what did Nooseworx mean by this?
>>153858756I don't believe the modern interpretation of Hell myself. No soul deserves ETERNITY of torture and Jesus never claimed hell was such a place. His only mention of "hell" was comparing something to a body dumping ground.
>>153858763tbf i feel like this was pretty normal for queer stories prior to the 80s
>>153858756In my view of Hell I'm torn between annihilationism and universal reconciliation, but in either case if a person is conscious then they're capable of repenting. Jax was and did. That doesn't mean he wouldn't have to go through some very painful process to atone, and in fact he should for it to be narratively satisfying. But he should have the chance.
>>153858749Jaxfags trying to shift the blame to other characters.jpg
Jax isnt dead, the leak is fake ai shit
>>153858768This fucking image KEK
>>153858704/pol/ is always right. It sucks. We hate it. But it's the truth.
>>153858777Did Goose delete that tweet?
>>153858704I did have a really bad experience with one trans woman that is hard to talk about, but then1. All kinds of people can just be evil assholes2. I think being a part of any minority group honestly just causes massive amounts of stress that is difficult or impossible to cope with and some people react badly
>>153858744how do you figure? conjuring + the gun episode made it seem like you can just believe yourself into whatever looney tunes outcome you want.
>>153858571I seriously doubt that even that would be satisfying. Everyone would have forgiven him anyway. Can't even keep Gangle not giving a shit he died.
>>153858798Lmao at this gigacope.
>>153858704Mentally ill people are... le mentally ill!?
>>153858782>>153858789Alright I won’t debate theology here. TADC’s moral universe has a point of no return.
>>153858571>Even the worst Jax haters absolutely hate Jax's ending,Nah I'm pretty satisfied with it lol
>>153858833>Everyone would have forgiven him anyway.But could he have forgiven himself?
I will only rest easy when I know Gooseworx became NooseworxThen I'll have myself some Boozeworx and make it a holiday
>>153858571Don’t put words in my mouth.
>>153858768I get the impression that if Goose had handled Jax's ending in any way except the worst of all possible worlds, then yes, most of the criticism of the ending would be much lighter or more autistic and just focus on unanswered questions. I myself wish a few more things had been addressed (Scratch's abstraction, Jax holding his breath) but those don't ruin the finale for me the way Jax's shit did.
>>153858782>No soul deserves ETERNITY of torture and Jesus never claimed hell was such a placeTry reading the bible and not your mormonic garbage sometimes
>>153858855Why, you prefer dicks instead?
My fantasy is me being Jax and fixing my relationship with Gangle by being very sorry and doing nice things for her
>>153858853Goose will outlive you
>>153858848>being happy that the ending was a long wet fart directly to the face Hey if that’s what you are into I won’t judge. It’s your fandom.
>>153858850That’s the test and the answer is no so he chose death.
>>153858861No, your mother's fat fucking tits will suffice.
>>153858844It does, yes. I'm saying the finale would be much better if it didn't.
>>153858571I'm torn. On the one hand, it balances the scales for Jax and his vapid sadboi angst taking over the narrative of the second half, but on the other hand, Goonworx clearly jerking>hergock to it makes it feel skeevy and wrong.
>>153858870>appeal to fart analogy>I’m a tourist btwGreat post
>>153858869LolLmao
>>153858855>>153858861Gangle on the edge of her seat, drooling, KNOWING these muscular green anons are going to fuck
>>153858869
>>153858874Such consequences exist in real life, and those consequences are compelling enough to talk about in art. So I have to disagree.
>>153858869But I thought that trans women were being targeted for death every single day. Are you saying that's not true?
>>153858860How about YOU try reading the bible?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42eoA2-kzO0
>>153858833i actually want to see the reaction Jax gets when people quickly forgive him. Stuff like him starting having a paranoid reaction about how it was too easy and the other must have some ulterior motives or something or him having too much self hatred and inner guilt to even accept the other's forgiveness
>>153858856I think if Jax sacrificed himself to save the circus or something, at least his death would be plot relevant? Instead the end of the story is all just about Jax unrelatedly killing himself because of some backstory shit that were also only finding out now and also that only really connects to his own shit.Either it’s a weird unrelated diversion or “wait I guess Jax WAS the story this whole time.”
>>153858873>appeal to mother's tits fallacy
>>153858893The consequence of becoming an abstraction doesn't exist in real life
>>153858903We could have had that if Goose wasn't so focused on jerking off to Jax lobotomization and eternal damnationGuess it was much easier like that
>>153858136i want a cup noodle, and because a man doesnt need anything more
>>153858912That would be a sick burn if you were replying to me and not another guy
>>153858768real human bean....
>>153858907I think Jax sacrificing himself to save the circus would have been OOC, corny, and completely against the style of the show, but would still be better than what we got.
>>153858913You dont know that, what if you kill yourself you end up in your own personal hell like jax?
>>153858920Imagine if Goose had decided to jerk off to Jax spending the rest of his life paranoid that everyone else forgiving him is some sort of trap
ngl, the poster made me think that the finale was about Jax going nuts with the conjuring , messing with the entire circus and the cast working together to finally ground his ass.
>>153858931I do know that because if I killed myself I would be dead.
>>153858913Slitting your wrists or taking a lot of pills and then picking up the ringing phone and talking to a concerned friend is a thing that exists.
>30% episode 8>5% plot relevant dialogue>35% Jax sympathy porn for tumblr audience>29% montage with no dialogue>1% FUCKING POPCORN BUCKET ADVERTISEMENTin the end the whole thing really was just about the fucking rabbit having crashouts.how were gangle and zooble relevant to the plot at all?
>>153858938Yeah, you were lied to so they could make money.
>>153858466Abstragedy might have gotten the sex but Ragapom got the better yuri in the finale for me
>even Jax haters aren't happy with his endingNope. I was prepared for him getting a "aw shucks we forgive you pal" ending including Ribbit somehow transcending abstractions to kiss his ass one last time because I'm just so used to it from a lot of media ending in similar ways these days, but I was also anticipating him getting a little bitchboy ending and I'm glad it turned out to be the latter. After shit like Encanto and SU I'm glad Goose had the balls (LOL) to say hey sometimes it's too late for you to come back and you did that to yourself.
>>153858900>gets called out on mormonic garbage>posts more mormonic garbageboy am i laffin
>>153858925anon I think you might be schizophrenic
>>153858945Hmmmmyou lost me there pal
>>153858690>All of the characters in that environment eventually committed suicide though except for Kinger who went totally insane.and Ragatha. and Jax, until the finale.>This wasn’t a happy supportive environment where everyone was perfectly happy and healthy and then Jax introduced sadness for the very first timenever said that. I said that Ribbit was happy before Jax pushed her away, which she was.>If being trapped in the circus had nothing to do with their suicides and it was ALL just Jax, why have it be part of the story that EVERYONE in the circus eventually kills themselves?again, you're putting words in my mouth. is being trapped in the circus a factor? absolutely. but it's clear that surviving in the circus with your sanity intact IS possible, as proved by Ragatha. if NOTHING else, Jax significantly accelerated Ribbit's abstraction. at worst, Ribbit would've survived to the finale if not for Jax. but the bottom line is he's directly responsible for her dying before she would have otherwise.
>>153858929Why? What we got was none of those things.
>>153858503I expected Abstragedy to be confirmed. I didn't fucking expect last minute Ragapom.
>>153858893I disagree because stories are about morals and lessons and it's immoral for Jax not to be able to come back after finally accepting help, in a story about accepting help.
It should be noted that as a jax hater who dislikes the ending, that doesn't mean i sympathize with jax or think he doesn't deserve the ending he got.
>>153858952They never were relevant, Gangle existed so we don’t feel bad about Jax dying and Zooble was functionally not a real character.
>>153858954IT WAS A FRIEND HUG YOU STUPID FUCKSTHEY JUST HUGGED BECAUSE THEY WERE SAD
>>153858957>pretending to be retarded fallacy
>>153858798>leak movie>actually, its a fake ai generated one in poorgaycheese so no stupid americans question it at all>actual ending is completely different and ends with jax trooning out and hooking up with ragatha and pomnibravo goose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXvYd13rdrE
>>153858956>Scholar citing the Bible and nothing else>Mormon garbage
>>153858988>YOU ARE THE BEST THING THAT HAS HAPPENED TO MEyeah yeah
>>153858975He never accepted help.
Bad thread.
>>153858952Gangle and Zooble were literally only there to show a healthy relationship that Jax could be jealous of. Especially since Zooble overcame their body issues and Jax didn't (why do you think Zooble looks so much like Gooseworx's OC?)
>>153858988Yeah and they got arguably one of the most cinematic hugs in animation in the past decade. Totally not open to interpretation.
>>153859000THIS is the best thing that has happened to me, you triplenigger.
Why were there two Portuguese leaks?
The ragapom hug was the most intimate moment in the whole show.
>>153858975It’s not immoral for a person who regrets killing themselves after they’ve killed themselves to stay dead. It’s an effective warning, do not be this guy. Giving him a kids movie asspull does not convey the severity of what could happen if you are like him.
>>153858768>>153858856>>153858907>>153858407Can we finally admit that 90% of the criticism towards the finale is from jaxfags who're mad their asshole rabbit isn't the hero of the story?
>>153858866Mine is being Gangle and BDSM brat taming him to show how sorry he is
>>153859016Welcome to the fate of these threads, it's only downhill from here specially after the movie finally hits until abstraction
>>153858962... because what we got was even worse, in different ways. That's what I mean.
>>153858988>A friend hug with 360 degree camera spin and changing mood lighting and constant position changing/arm movementSure anon, a blind man could see the subtext. Ragapom won.
>>153859029In your head, sure.
Are you strong?
>>153858988Yeah and they eat each other out platonically and get friend married and have bestie babies together we know it’s not gay they said no homo.
>>153859029Nta but i would say 60% is because of that, 30% are because people didn't like that jax was the focus.
>>153858988>full 360 hug>unbroken eye contact as they walk away for a minuteI don't know what it was but it certainly wasn't straight.
I need a pomni in my gay chudcel life
>>153859029There are massive problems with that ending outside of Jax taking up the entire thing.That fucking flash bang for starters and everything with Caine was so ass.
>>153859029No, I don't care about Jax, Caine revival and redemption was a massive asspull
>>153858999Citing the bible and nothing else, is in fact, mormon garbageTake your sola scriptura and shove it up your ass where your heretical shit belongs
>>153859029No. We literally just saw a poll that shows most people who don't like it also don't like Jax. I myself am neutral on Jax and still don't like it.
>>153858774Yeah pretty much
>>153859061The flashbang was there to stop Jax from voring Pomni.
>>153859029its at least 57 percent
>>153859016The shitposters are just riled up because of the relevance. Give it a bit more time.>>153859042Don’t see how, it was in character, not corny and completely in sync with the style and message of the show and its inspirations.
>>153859055fair enough
>>153859023Looking back through the whole show the Ragapom dynamic got more attention than it felt like from episode to episode. I guess we really were just too distracted by Jax.
>>153859029Cope. The pacing is shit and everything after Jax dies is contrived.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIbXvaE39wM
>>153859069>Citing the bible and nothing else, is in fact, mormon garbageso your source is your ass?
>>153859000>>153859019>>153859047>>153859052you anons are rolling or fucking stupid? it was a friend hug with emotional release because it was a hard moment in that episodeSTOP RUINING A WHOLESOME FRIENDS HUG
>>153858022posting this again just with a minor change
I’m sorry for asking about your theology for hell I didn’t mean to get you in a different argument
>>153859029It's not 90%.... we're talking 60-65% tops.
>>153859098
>>153859098anon this is /co/we only have two modes: irreverant and horny
>>153859098We're just enhancing it
>>153859027It seems completely implausible to me that a single child would see a version of the movie where Jax is saved at the end, then eventually kill themselves, who wouldn't have done so if they'd seen the real version. People don't avoid killing themselves because of how bad the consequences are (at least the consequences to themselves).
>>153858975>NOOOOOO! characters cannot have tragic ends! that's so immoral when they're constantly taking one step forward and two steps back, and only really changed when it became too late! in real life everyone gets better and never loses! Jax's end is fitting, get over it. he's a tragic character, not a hero, anti-hero, or even a villain, his whole being is just sad. and while that makes you feel for him because he always seemed like he was on the cusp of change, he never fully committed. it was too little, too late, simple as that.
>>153859101>that unabstracted eyeKEKDOG HELLKEKDOG HELL
>>153859017>healthy relationship>tranny butch bitch and a bipolar unlikeable bitchhehehe
>>153859098They're baiting to rile up other shippers Welcome to these threads the past few days, where have you been?
>OCs>trannies>faggots>gooners>*ndiansI'm glad you're all being replaced.
>>153859101>I consent>I consent>I don't
>>153859098It was the most intimate romantic “friend” hug I’ve ever seen. They’re definitely in love. Sex is allowed, no other options appear, Ragapom victory.
>>153859101>the Jax eyeYeeah.
>>153858655I would not disguise my transformation fetish, I would just make it the main power system
>>153858059Yes Jax was so weak he couldn't possibly be expected to apologise or stop bullying everyone around him. Meanwhile Caine was so remorseless and guilt free when he realised the consequences of his actions he apologised for what he did and did what he could to make ammends.You can just say you don't like that the story didn't have Jax survive so he could also apologise and do better. There's no need to make shit up.
>>153859098Fine. That moment was platonic. But this moment was pure gay.
>>153859082>Don’t see how, it was in character, not corny and completely in sync with the style and message of the show and its inspirations.Can you read? I explicitly said it wasn't corny, OOC or out of TADC's style, and that wasn't the problem.
When was your last hug, anon?
I'M YOUR JAX DOG
>>153859101I wonder if it’s more cruel to let him see what he can’t have or less cruel to let him see because it’s to closest he can get to having something near him.
I think this episode has a huge meme potential that can be spreaded to other series. Have any suggestion?
>>153859106The most prophetic art of all time
>>153859141The other day
>>153859141I can't even remember anymore.
Guys help me i was never a yurifag but that Ragapom hug fucked with my brain, now I just want them to be happy together forever
>>153858527Cute! It's funny that they're both vaguely dragons with big egos
>>153859141i dunno, 2 weeks ago? mom was drunk.but from anybody that wasnt family? id say 17 years
>>153859141i hugged my mom yesterday
>>153858567Yeah it’s a little disingenuous to say Jax doesn’t have to worry about food etc. compared to his meat, when it’s due to being trapped as a disembodied brain scan and not because his environment is meeting any of the basic human needs he has left
I didn't know Ragathugs were this psychopathic
>>153859115I'm not going to engage with you because you began your post with a blatant strawman of me.
>>153859148
>>153859113I have to disagree. Those who see themselves in Jax could very well carry that contrasting lesson and better themselves. If not suicidal right now, on the path to that in the future. And for those who are not like him, it’s a powerful cry of empathy about people who are.
>>153859167It was always there below the surface, if you looked hard enough.
>>153859167they're brutalt. Ragathug
I just want to discuss Caine's character a little more, to be honest. Him resolving all his problems in 2 minutes ruined him for me, he was pretty interesting before that.
The one-minute-long hug was fucking weird, sorry , and that’s coming from someone who ships Ragapom.“You are the best thing that has happened to me”? No the fuck it wasn’t, that was Kinger. Without the conversation in Episode 6, Raggy would still be spiraling over Pomni.With Kinger, Pomni had that beautiful moment in Episode 3. With Jax, they had a whole-ass chapter and the Daisy Bell duet.With Raggy, uuuuh the beach moment, I guess.God, I’m so pissed their conversation happened off-screen.I really wanted to see, idk, Raggy talking about her horses with Pomni, trading stories while vibing on the sofa or something bruh.For a character-driven series, we sure as hell lacked interactions. How many times have Zooble and Pomni even exchanged words again?
ragapom is a forgotten joke tier shipfuck off
>>153859167
>>153859167I hope Jaxfags follows his example and kill themselves after isolating.
>>153859193
>>153859141Took my niece to the last weekend park and she gave me the biggest hug.Fuck it kills me knowing that at this rate I'll probably never have kids of my own.
>>153859191Sorry anon, movie needed more screentime for Jax torture porn
No need to get mad that the underdog pulled it out.
>>153858136>>153858022Just imagine a more functional OC is asking him the question.
>>153859160It's okay anon, you can have exceptions
>>153859029Given the 90% of the final episode is about killing Jax and reviving Caine, it is fair most of criticisms are about them.
>>153859181And I think it would be more powerful and effective if, when he finally decided to accept help, it had led to a better outcome for him. Showing that in an uplifting way would be much more effective to help someone's spirit who's in that situation. (And no, Mateo getting better doesn't count because it wasn't shown to us, it was told to us).
Oh no... The Japanese, do they know?
>fell for the creator's fetish award
>>153859213Pomni ain't pulling it out, that plush puss is gonna be filled to the brim.
>>153859160I’m not the biggest yuri shipper either but sometimes it’s just right
>>153859162Yeah! She wants to be seen a certain way and not for who she REALLY is, even if who she really is has a gooey center.She wants to be seen as capable, authoritative, important, and has the confidence to at least trick a COUPLE people into thinking so!Call her a Karen and she'll be WOUNDED though. She'll totally want to cry and pout.
ragpom lewd doodlehttps://files.catbox.moe/pfamft.PNG
>>153859029>isn't the hero of the story Should've been.>jax realizes pomni basically trapped herself in his abstracting mind.>objective now is to find a way to free her.>after being taught by pomni on how to conjure, he realizes he can use it to delete his mindfiles in order to free pomni.>what follows is pomni trying to stop jax from doing this as she chases him across various different memories inside his mindscape.>jax finally finds a memory where he saw a computer.>but pomni caught up to him.>a struggle happens between the two but jax manages to conjure his mindfiles and delete them.>an explosion happens as they are ejected from his abstraction.>pomni got up and thought jax somehow survived but when she goes to hug him.>jax's avatar starts glitching.>his entire body doesn't have collision anymore.>and so pomni can't touch him, this happens as he slowly fades away.>last scene of him is apologizing to every single member of the cast.>does one last hug with pomni where she has trouble adjusting cause she can't feel him.>in the end, jax is gone gone, no abstraction no nothing, completely erased data.>importantly, no dogjax.
>>153859232The Yapanese (this thread)
>>153859230see>>153858444I genuinely hope none of you run into an actual Jax, not the fantasy of him being Hitler 2.0.
Me when a girl is nice to me
>>153859230That’s what the rest of the characters are for. Jax doing what everyone else does isn’t adding anything to the message. Jax’s tragic end is a memorable way to really drive it home.
>>153858183Minus the "worst fear" trauma, Caine didn't do anything that Jax hadn't been up to over years. The point isn't that Jax is irredeemable, it's that he was in denial that he could change and so he refused to try.>but he was helpful in episode 6 and 7That's not the same as apologising and making an effort to fix things.
>>153859249>they get to do this every nightAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
He will come back.He always does.
>>153859249nice work on the boobies
>>153859115>Constant need to invent strawmen of an extreme counterposition and reply to that instead of conversing with an anon who took the time to write a real message like a normal personDay ending in Y here
>>153859232The Japanese would rather commit ritual samurai suicide than pirate something so unless someone on american twitter is intentionally going into their posts and spoiling them they do not know.
>>153859249Good shit, like always
>>153859203basedfuck these chud incels
>>153859261IT STARTS WITH SORRYBUT IT CANNOT JUST STOP THERE
>>153859141the last hug related event was back in 2018, it was my birthday but no one in class wish my a happy birthday because it was also the teachers birthday that same day, they got him cake and all, next day they did wish me happy birthday but acting like it wasn't the day before, i didn't actually mind but the moment i haven't forgot to this day is that an alt hoe shortstacks wished my happy birthday, i said thank you while i was looking for something in my backpack, on the side of my eye i saw her lifting her arms like she was going to hug me but when i looked at her she just walk away instead, to this day i don't understand why she didn't hug me
>>153859141Yesterday? I have to hold myself back sometimes because my impulse is to always hug when greeting someone lol
Not that anyone here will make it or anything but how do you deal with a “fan”base trying to turn you into a lolcow like the digital circus creator? Is she feeding into it somehow?
>>153859293Not replying to everything on social media. That's it, just shut up.
>>153859293Genuinely she needs to disappear from social media for a few years.
>>153859293She has a humiliation fetish if Jax is her self-insert anyway, if anything she's beating her dick raw
>>153859249The size difference is so hot
>>153858185>This is why it works perfectly as a tragedy but falls apart when you argue it’s a cautionary tale lolHonestly where I'm arriving at but replace cautionary tale with "morality tale."The narrative has quickly become about how TADC is about how suicide is good because it's all about an evil person being successfully punished with suicide. That's a super gross moral AND the actual show plays this all off as a sad and tragic scene instead of a positive and triumphant moment AND Caine comes right back and is forgiven right away so as a "justice against the wicked" story self righteously glorifying suicide it's a piece of shit. 4chan has decided it is. But I'm not sure it's supposed to be.As a sad story or tragedy instead it's all suddenly fine.
>>153859259Literally jax entire character kek.
>>153858877But your criticism is something external to the show that >>153858877you invented in your head just based on "trannies always do this"
>>153859293>Shemade the whole series about>herself-hatred and porn addiction coming together into a masochistic torture session.
>>153859260None of the others were in Jax's situation. They had their own neuroses but they were relatively easy to get past (with Caine's being too easy). It WOULD add something to the message if even the one who was the deepest in their own head, who had repeatedly and stubbornly refused help, was able to get it.
>>15385928399% of that is the other side of the conversation for the past many hours I’m not surprised that anon got frustrated.
>>153859293It's a tranny he lives off attention/drama/validation, he'll noose as soon as people forget about him
I would be fine with ragapom ship only if pomni got turned into a little boyNow THAT would be super hot
>>153859326I never said all troons do that. Just that Goose did that.
hehe
>>153859029lol, i think you struck a nerve, anon
Reminder that Good is based and Evil is cringe, and truth justice and beauty will prevail if you fight for them.
>>153859029The ones complaining the loudest are
>>153859350Ñyehe?
>>153859322>As a sad story or tragedy instead it's all suddenly fine.Except a tragedy doesn't end with everyone partying maniacally.
>>153859029>>153859362hahahaha (ignore the jax image he just has good expressions)
>>153859322The people celebrating Jax’s death didn’t get the point either, though I suspect most of them are just bantzposting. It’s a sad tragic character arc of what not to do.
>>153859144Let the poor bastard feel like he's still part of something. Give him some things to think about other than his regrets.
>>153859375>Except a tragedy doesn't end with everyone partying maniacally.lmao jaxfags mad people aren't eternally sad
>>153859322>Honestly where I'm arriving at but replace cautionary tale with "morality tale."It really sounds like some Brother's Grimm tale>little Jackie didn't want to be a good boy and got devoured by wolves>little Caine decided to be good again and they lived happily ever after. the end
>>153859141I can't remember. But I'd really like a Pomni hug.
>>153857996Death to the Arch Fumbler
>>153859144He deserves everything he gets. Fuck Jax. Fuck Jaxfags.
>>153859293other anons have already said the same, but never ever EVER interact with social media. fandoms never know what's good for them, no matter what they might say. do what the creator of yume nikki did, and just don't have an online presence tied to your projects whatsoever.
>>153859397>got devoured by wolves*became a wolf forever watching the she-wolves he liked lay with other wolves
Best part of the ending is how everyone moves on from jax in 5 minutes after abstracting.
>>153859375They aren't partying maniacally lol you got three examples of people mourning Jax, but you can't expect the whole ending to be about that.
>>153859293She can’t control it and you can’t really do anything about it besides choosing your boundaries wrt engaging with it and establishing a public brand to divert attention to. It’s a feature of internet publicity at scale and you can’t tell the humans apart from the bots.
>>153859414Your obsession with cuckoldry while dragging it to any other post can't be healthy, dude.
>>153859337Every character was asked to give the same effort and decide to improve and communicate and live. Jax does not have an excuse, he ran away and paid the real price for doing so. It doesn’t add anything to do the same thing again, only bigger. His failure contrasts very well against the rest and the uncomfortability it leaves the audience forces them to come to terms with its themes seriously instead of comfortably exiting and treating it like a steven universe saved the day special.
>>153859397>little Jax accepted Pomni but he died miserably meanwhile little Caine flied back from abyss because he has a magic flying boots given by fairy. the end
>>153858136Grimy likes mochas.
>>153859432>Burf burf burf ruff
>>153859350what do you think Ragatha smells like? I bet she smells like fresh, clean linen and lavender.
>>153859425>but you can't expect the whole ending to be about that.I think most tragedy does. At least none of them have credits like TADC.
>>153858292>Jax is EXACTLY as much of an inhuman AI as Caine is, in fact an AI with more limited training data and “younger” It's an interesting idea but the show definitely treats the casts life experience in the real world before abstraction as their past. Caine's remorse stems from getting to see what they where actually missing out there.Also if you still look at it that way, then the casts training data is way more expansive than the AI created in world.>CAINE is the character who has been making everybody kill themselves this whole timeUnder that lens, Caine is the reason they lived at all. Or you could argue it was irl Kinger and Scratch's fault.
>>153859347Pomni can conjure a futa penis whenever she wants. Circus sex means Avatar tweaks are canon. Off model art is now canonically possible. Enjoy!
Hey anons, genuine question: how would you react if you learned that you were a copy and your real self was doing fine?Idk, but if the AI showed me an Instagram reel of how awesome my life was going, and the one behind that AI was in the room with me, I would probably jump at Kinger.I don’t think I could ever bring myself to talk to the chess piece again.
>>153859375Macbeth ends with a coronation
>>153859029You got them big time with that one
How did Goose manage to spread>nothing happens, nothing mattersinto 90 minutes?
>>153858761Hot
>>153859192>With Jax, they had a whole-ass chapter and the Daisy Bell duet.Which Jax refused to take seriously and then proceeded to push Pomni away. It's like you missed that whole lesson.And Ragatha and Pomni has been much more of a slow burn. Their development might not always have been in the foreground, but it's literally the ONLY character dynamic that's been developed since the very first episode. There was an initial awkwardness in 1 and 2, a platonic show of appreciation in 3, seeds of doubt sewn in both Ragatha and Pomni's minds in 4, the blow up in 5, Ragatha's lowest point in 6 and the reconciliation at the end (I'll concede that the talk between them should have been on screen), the beginning of hanging out more together in 7, which continued to the beginning of 8, all culminating in the ultimate show of Pomni's appreciation for her in 9.Could we have gotten a little more? Sure, but there's a complete story here, and in a moment as unsure as the one they were in, a hug was more than appropriate and was just the kind of catharsis Ragatha needed to not completely fall apart again after Jax's abstraction.It's honestly really well done, even if most of the finale falls flat.
>>153859466now I can picture canonical noire Ragatha sex, yes
>>153859474I'd be very frustrated and hurt I couldn't get my old life back, leaving behind so many things I have.Their reactions feel unrealistic as Hell
>>153859474I have to use the internet access to send myself the secret password. I intended for it to be used to communicate with time traveling versions of myself, but a clone will do just fine.
>>153858222>although I don't want this to be an excuse for Caine not to get redeemed.Is there any reason the last two episodes couldn't have gone:>Caine pleads for his life in the last moment and gives up his admin powers to the group>Jax doesn't know this because he split away from the group over the button thing>Jax sees the Circus collapse because Caine no longer is in control and the humans don't know how to control it yet>He assumes Caine is dead and abstractsand have ended up with the exact same result without a bullshit resurrection arc with Bubble and Evil Abel?
I'm so fucking hungry
>>153859454TADC as a whole is not a tragedy. Jax's arc is.>>153859474I think I'd go through a whole grieving process but would ultimately make peace with it. I'd really just miss my family I think.
>>153859366BASED
>>153859474Anon, the chess piece is a clone too.
>>153859474I would be shocked and then quickly move on from my fake and gay backstory like Gummigoo did, and enjoy my happily ever after in the circus with a real community of cool people and go on awesome adventures of my choosing. The only rub is I’d want to try to date Ragatha but circus romance is scary because a rejection is the rest of your life. But worth doing anyway.
>>153858072>funnybunny shitters who hated ragatha finds out its canon that funnybunny gets axed and jax wants to choke out and kill pomni if ragatha ever abstractsbased
>>153859504>>153859504>>153859504
>>153859463>Caine is the reason they lived at all.Caine made this circus, saw everyone suicided in this digital prison, but decided to create more humans from new data.
>>153859249Damn Pomni is small
>>153859435Jax was in a mental situation because of his background where it was much harder for him. That's not an excuse, because an excuse implies his actions are okay, but it is a reason that him being redeemed would be more powerful, because it shows that ANYONE can get out no matter how deep they're in. That is what some people who are alienated and suicidal need to hear, not that suicide is really bad and you might regret it at the last moment, because that's obvious.
>>153859474Honestly it would be awesome, I could finally stop giving a fuck and goon all day
I like how people are purposefully ignoring the traumatizedanon post and running the same talking points like a broken record lol
>>153859366Trvke
>>153859523Do you think im gonna be on a rational state after learning such a shocking reveal bro
>>153859528i mean pomni fucking says "ill fix you!" after arguably his closest friend dies thats kinda fucked up, ik its just mindpomni but still
>>153859474I would never put myself in a situation like that in the first place, so I’d probably want to murder the real me or the ones responsible for putting me in there if it wasn’t done without my knowledge/consent>>153859510IKR? It sounds like an actual hell to be in
>>153859474Probably fuck me up for a minute but I’d adjust in time. I would really be curious to talk to myself though.
>>153859536If it’s so obvious why are people so shocked by the consequences of this story? Last minute rescues are a dime a dozen. Goose chose the more emotionally challenging, confrontational, real path. There’s plenty of hollywood movies for the other way.
>>153859177thank good cooper cant do shit on AD
>>153859541Link it
>>153859322The narrative isn't "suicide is good". The narrative is "if you reject every fucking opportunity to turn your life around this is probably where you're going to end up"
>>153859549You are acting like he forced you to do this instead of you agreeing to the whole thing
>>153859541>traumatizedanonliterally who?
>>153859474For someone as self-absorbed and egocentric as I am, I imagine I'd freak the fuck out and promptly abstract within days, while outwardly pretending I'm just fine with it and spouting some nonsense silver-lining platitutde.
>>153859570>Goose chose the more emotionally challenging, confrontational, real path*Goose chose the path that made him hornier
>>153859029
>>153859322This is pretty much where I’m at too because it gels better
>>153859541Is it the guy that said he was gonna off himself but also says he'll take as many with him?Yeah need to find that guy and snipe him dead
>>153859541Because they want to keep going with the faux-empathy spiel and make sure that Jax gets his comeuppance, as if every time he fucked around he wasn't punished for it, time after time. Jax's life was Hell and now it'll be even worse.
>>153858295Individually their arcs are fine, it's only next to each other does it feel weird.>Caine gets two decades to listen to what the humans tell him and he ignores themCaine didn't ignore them, he just had no frame of reference to understand what they where saying. It wasn't untill he learned about their lives outside that he could start understanding them.The actual unsatisfactory part was that he learned it from the internet rather than from them. It doesn't retroactively shine a light on path to how he could have achieved enlightenment without being sent to the void, even though you'd think realising he could have asked them about it the entire time would have been the easy answer.
>>153859593Where are you getting this from
>>153859604Would have been a good moment to play off as a gag.>Wait a minute... if I want to understand them better, I could just try listening to them! Gadzooks! Why didn't anybody tell me!? *wacky cartoon sounds*
>>153859578>>153859584Those posts >>153858444>>153858502>>153859598He doesn't sound like it at all lol
>>153859029Caine doesn't deserve acceptance or redemption.
>>153858328>a flaming narcissist who psychologically and physically tortured everyone over hurt feelingsSo Jax.
>>153859535She's big where it matters, her bigass head lmao
>>153859570Those are all good features of the concept but anon is discussing a flaw with the execution
Pomni getting so many hugs in the finale. I want to hug her too.
>>153859604It was the combination of learning from the internet and not having the blue ai making him crazy. But I dont understand how that squares with the beginning of episode 8 and Kinger clearly saying he was messed up from the start
>>153858358Isn't it Leeroy who put him in that enviroment by putting on the headset.
>>153859570People aren't shocked by the consequences, they're unhappy with what happened. If you told any of the people upset with the ending "hey, did you know that you can't come back if you kill yourself, and sometimes people regret killing themselves if they die?" none of them would be like what? No way! That can't be true!It's an absolute strawman.The path Goose chose is not more "real." Both things can in fact happen in real life. People can be brought back from the brink and people can regret a destructive path they took when it's too late. It's also not automatically a virtue for art to be challenging or confrontational. That's "comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable" type bullshit. It also doesn't matter if it's been done often before. Everything has been done before. Subverting tropes that are effective for a reason so you can get midwit applause is ALSO a dime a dozen in 2026.
>>153859688Unless there was a big blinking sign that read "putting on this headset will make a digital copy of your brain, which will be subjected a digital hellscape under an oppressive AI for eternity" then no. No reasonable person would assume that.
Caine and Jax both deserved better endings and we shouldn't be pitting them against each other. Their arcs were badly executed in opposite ways
>>153858183>Noooo my self insert!>Does this mean I should reflect on my own life and make changes so that I also dont die miserable and alone?>NO!>Its the world that is wrong!I've got jaxfag fatigue bros...
>>153858241It is not other peoples responsibility to force you to open up and talk about your problems. Pomni put in more than enough effort to try and help him and he dod comparatively little to help himself. I know Jax fans tend to be toxic narcissists themselves but I need you to understand that its not other peoples responsibility to fix your issues especially if when they try to reach out you shoot them down and treat them cruelly.
>The fairness of it>The injusticeYou didn't get it.
I've got jaxhater fatigue
>>153859684>and not having the blue ai making him crazy. Letting go of the blue ai was a metaphor for letting go of trying to be the perfect ai that would be accepted and be untouchable in favour of accepting his weaknesses and vulnerability.>But I dont understand how that squares with the beginning of episode 8 and Kinger clearly saying he was messed up from the startHe was "rough-around the edges" and imperfect as an AI that gave dedesired results, not as a person.Hell fans are debating what Jax and Caine deserved, but Kinger never had to take accountability for anything.
>>153858295False equivalents
I've got jaxlover fatigue
I've got jax bussy fatigue
Where's the new thread?
>>153859735But then in this scenario the troubled worker simply would not exist.
>>153859945>>153859504
>>153858328Such a huge wall of text when all you had to say was that you are upset your self insert got killed off
>>153859980And all you had to say was "I'm an illiterate fag that lets my hatred of jax cloud my judgement"
>>153858358>Caine (the one who put him in that high stress environment)Caine is just and A.I. it was humans who built him, the circus and uploaded the brainscans. Stop being mad and making whataboutisms because your favorite character got killed.
>>153859636It'd be more like>Wait I can learn about them, if I ask questions...unreleated to my adventures! It's just a bit weird that they really had no impact on his self-improvement at all beyon accidentally chucking him closer to somewhere that had a wifi signal.
>>153860014Many such cases!
>>153858571>Even the worst Jax haters absolutely hate Jax's endingLOL no I consider Jax's ending to be the happy ending of the show. Now everyone can live peacefully without having to constantly deal with his negative ass.
>>153858694He lobotomized himself because he didnt see a point continuing on in that form. He guessed the truth, found out he was right, and couldnt cope with it.Fun fact: real life is also a digital circus. Full of meaninglessness, pointless suffering, horror and occasionally something good, and often full of repitition and boring mundane shit. Plenty of people cant handle life for what it is without going insane or playing pretend that a better afterlife or utopia awaits. Suicide is one of the leading causes of death for a reason and it can happen to anyone who gives in to the meaninglessness.
>>153858763Transitioning often involves a mental killing of the old identity. Its why there is the idea of "dead names" and so forth.Or to put it another way that might seem more familiar. Born again christians and similar cult followera do the same thing. They metaphorically "kill" their old non-believer self so that they can be "born again" into good little true believers.
>>153858735Did you just shit talk my self insert motherfucker? Prepare for my huge wall of text to describe why it is your sacred duty to always forgive toxic assholes and constantly try to be their friend because if you dont you are a bad person. You need to learn how to be a better best friend.
