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>Sonic Boom is hilarious
>IDW has rights to Sonic
>Sonic Mania might be great

So what went right?
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>>94587926
>became aware of what their fandom is like
>Sega finally cut its ties with archie
>Sonic Team realizes their original games were better than anything released post-2002
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>>94588030
>Sonic Team realizes their original games were better than anything released post-2002
Except they don't
Sonic Mania started out as another Sonic 1 and 2 port that would include a smaller original game and Iizuka was like "Why not just make a new game" and Christian Whitehead was like "We'd love to"

Iizuka was actually afraid thinking that there wouldn't be much of a positive reaction to Mania which shows how much Sonic Team knows
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>>94587926
Sonic PR embraced the autism
Penders made them boot the 'going too far' autism, which led to them ditching archie (and the bloated continuity)
fandevs made them realize their shit could still be good
I hope IDW gets Megaman as well and we get another crossover
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>>94588067
ROM/Sonic Crossover is what I want to see.
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>>94588170
Why Rom?
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>>94588067
I just hope IDW lets Tyson finish Sonic Megadrive
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>>94587926
>IDW Sonic

Yeah that sounds great but then you hear Iizuka is "being more hands-on" with its production and then it suddenly doesn't sound as promising. I really hope he's not influencing it too much, but it does raise a big red flag for me.
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>>94588060
>Iizuka was like "Why not just made a new game"

Considering how retarded Iizuka is, I can't help but feel like that's bullshit--

>but make 60% of it old levels

--yeah okay, never mind, everything checks out here.
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>>94587926
Embracing what Sonic is instead of trying to force him to appeal to teens and 2kool4skool types.

Of course none of the people involved in these have anything to do with SEGA corporate.
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Don't forget Sonic Twitter is amazing
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>>94588202
You can make parallels between Rom and the Dire Wraiths and Sonic's usual run-ins with Ivo and his badnicks, especially how the badnicks are usually powered by/contain innocent animals inside them. Sonic and Rom are almost polar opposites in terms of personality and tone, but overall themes have some similarities. Especially with some of the more insane antics Sonic gets up to in later series, all the ancient evils lurking deep beneath the planet, villainous aliens all over the place, etc.

Plus Sonic's 2kool4skool attitude could play off Rom's more serious demeanor and make for some good banter.

Purely hypothetical, of course. We don't know what IDW's plans for Sonic will be, but I doubt it'd stray too far from the standard interpretation of Sonic.
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Someone at Sega finally realized that fans can make Sonic better than Iizuka can.
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>>94588359
>>94588387
>>94588677
Someone explain to me what this Izuka person did exactly to ruin things?
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>>94588727
He just won't stop meddling with the formula. Every new game has to have some new gimmick.

He also has some bizarre obsession with trying to make the series more 'epic', like Final Fantasy or something. 06 was all his idea.
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>>94588854
Why doesn't SEGA fire him then?
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I like the Hard Boiled Heavies. I hope IDW will use them.
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>>94589224
That part of the opening made me chuckle. The little look to the side Heavy Gunner does before he realizes the leader is looking to him is good stuff.
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>>94589182
Sonic games sell well enough regardless of quality that Sega sees no problem with the lack of quality most recent games in the series have put out
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>>94587926
What is he planning?
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>>94590303

He can't attack IDW himself, so he's trying to get people who have worked for them to attack for him.

How incredibly petty.
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>>94590303
This nigga really thinking of stirring up shit again?
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>>94590342

>company hires you to draw shit for a book
>10 years later rights for that book are sold to new company who then reprints that book
>BUT I DIDNT SIGN ANY TRANSFER OF RIGHTS! ILL SUE YOU ALL! I OWN IT!
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>>94590342
>Doing this shit again

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU.
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>>94588067
Fuck that, if IDW gets both I want a fusion universe. Like what Marvel and DC did back in the day.
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>>94590303
god i hope he's planning something

It will be so satisfying to watch an actually competent company stomp him.
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>>94588067
I unironically want to see a Sonic/MLP crossover
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>>94588854
Well maybe people shouldn't have encouraged that direction after Sonic Adventure 2
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>>94590303
>>94590342
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>>94591254

Out of the Loop, who is that?
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>>94591586
Guy who wrote the Sonic comic at Archie. When Sega wanted to use characters from the comics in games, he sued claiming they were his. Archie didn't have the contract he signed saying Sega owns them.
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>>94590333
kys boco
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>>94590303
>>94590342

God fucking damn it Penders
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>>94590493
I hope he's dumb enough to take IDW to court and they clean his ass out.

Shit I hope they pull out the documents and staple them to his fucking nutsack. Fuck Penders.
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>>94591829

Penders Right? Doesn't that pracitally write out a vast majority of the Sonic Comic universe?
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>>94589182
He's a Japanese businessman. If you get hired, you're there for life.
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>>94590303
>>94590342
Do you think he's lashing out because Sonic fans dump on him so much? You gotta be a LITTLE spiteful with the kind of reception his Lara-Su comic must be getting.

Not that he hasn't earned that.
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>>94588418
You are spouting stupid, uninformed things. Sonic was always aiming for an audience just older than Mario's. Teens were always the target.
>2kool4skool types
>not what Sonic is
Were you even alive in the 90's?
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>>94592706
He reserves a right to be spiteful, but we reserve a right to spite him

It's the circle of life
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Reminder Sonic Mania is a prequel to Forces with an unfinished plot because the big macguffin of the game is literally just the gem Infinite has in his chest and we'll need to play Forces to retroactively learn what's going on in Mania
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>>94592608
Yep, during that whole legal battle Ian happened to have quite a few of his characters ingrained in the current plots and he had to start dropping them left and right, couldn't even mention the names and the comic basically had to soft reboot to salvage anything. If it wasn't for the Sonic/Mega Man crossover happening when it did, I'm not sure how the crew would have gotten themselves out of the mess competently considering most if not all of Ian's ongoing plots were fucked pretty hard by this
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>>94592866
>caring about plot in 2D Sonic
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>>94592767
He's probably the same type of guy who complains about rock music in Sonic games because apparently rock music, a normally fast and free-spirited genre, doesn't fit the Sonic games, known for being fast and free-spirited, apparently.
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>>94591238
Haven't they always been pushing that direction since Sonic Adventure Chaos some ancient water dragon, Biolizard doomsday weapon bent on crashing a space station into the planet
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>>94592900
They've going into that direction since Sonic 3 & Knuckles even. Then Heroes came and fucked everything up.
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Also reminder that Bean, Bark, and Nack are bosses in Mania so IDW will likely still be allowed to use them.
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>>94592995
They have always been owned by Sega. Why would that stop IDW?
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>>94593041
New contracts being negotiated, we don't know what'll be the new terms of use in regards to what characters they're allowed or not.
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>>94593058
True Sega could possible want IDW to just focus on characters who appear in recent games or any after dreamcast games.
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>>94593086
Exactly- but as it happens, right now, Bean-Bark-Nack are exactly "characters who appear in recent games", so I'm fairly confident in their use. At most they might be restricted to a classic franchise instead of being allowed to be redesigned to fit Modern.
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>>94592995
Well since spoilers are out the window when was Bean and Bark bad guys working along with Nack? The only time I've seen that was in the comics.
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>>94593160
They all starred in Sonic the Fighters, so associating them comes pretty naturally.

Also don't sweat it, I think he's just regurgitating rumors. I haven't seen any proof they're in the game beyond the background gag of wanted posters.
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>>94592920
Heroes had a better tone for the Sonic series than SA1 or SA2 did

>>94593160
Maybe some obscure shit in Sonic the Fighters since I think that was the only other time they're seen together
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>>94593160
The Hard Boiled Heavy of Mirage Saloon has the ability to create, well, mirages. The boss fight is him taking the shape of the three in turns. So technically they don't appear in the game, only as a reference.
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>>94593195
That's the only game Bean and Bark are in at all, period.

Dynamite Duck doesn't really count since those are two other ducks.
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>>94593181
Didn't they also have missing poster in generations for classic Sonic stage in City Escape? Who knows maybe if we are lucky Sega might consider using them the same way they are used in the comics hired mercs for Eggman to call on heck they'd be a cool rival gang for the Chaotix to cross paths with
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>>94593195
>Heroes had a better tone for the Sonic series than SA1 or SA2 did
Yeah, no

Fuck you
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>>94593371
Yes, also Mighty and Ray show up in Missing posters in the same level.

I would love nothing more than those 3 to be revived. One of the best things Archie ever did was make them relevant again. And rival battles were always fun, dating back to fighting Knuckles in S&K. Felt really satisfying.
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>Embracing what Sonic is instead of trying to force him to appeal to teens and 2kool4skool types.

Nigga what. Sonic was always 2kool4skool.I think the only exception was like the scholastic kid books.

It wasn't till the 00s where he became WE CAN ALL DO IT TOGETHER, POWER OF TEAMWORK bullshit.

10s seemed to have toned it down and aimed for a more mario.
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>>94593432
We keep getting these history revising youngins'.
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>>94593432
This Sonic personality was drop dead 90s from the way he talked and acted and words he used.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3N8eIZZVbM

True ending bros.
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>>94593412
>Bean, Bark, and Fang wanted posters
>Mighty and Ray missing posters

.......So is there a connection?
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>>94593598
What the fuck was that seagull sound coming from Tails.
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>>94593598
Game will probably be fine but the last thing I want to see is an ad for Forces.
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>>94587926
>sonic boom is hilarious
It has it's moments
Other times I feel people find it funny because it's sonic and will watch the show regardless.
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>>94593432
Some kids started on later adventure series and think that's what sonic was originally. This ruined sonic for a while and forced him into a spiral of simplistic hero of justice who could super saiyan.
>>94593546
At least that wad his design.
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>>94588854
>>94592900
>>94592920
Sonic has some decent lore, all things considered.

I just want to know more about the Echidnas.
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>>94593735
>I just want to know more about the Echidnas.
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>>94593755
No. Fuck you. I don't want that.

Echidnas have relics inspired by both Egypt and the Mayans. And there were a ton of them.

Now there's only Knuckles.

I don't need some big thing with tons of exposition. Just more little ties like Adventures 1 and 2.
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>>94593735
>>94593755
um its spelled echd'nya
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If IDW releases Overdrive and/or a Mega Drive trade, everything after that is gravy.

I'm sure they will. You'd think it would be the first thing they would do.
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>>94593701
I had no interest in forces kinda bummed this game is used just for that.
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>>94593735
I'm certain Sega will never touch echidna lore ever again last time that happened in a game Penders sued them and Archie
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>>94593884
Would depend on Archie, wouldn't it? They payed the writers/artists/etc. for it to be made. Surely, they'd have to play ball for it to get a smooth release.
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>>94593935
It probably depends on the contract they had with Sega. There may be some stipulation that all work Archie did for Sega belongs to them, which would give Sega the right to reprint stories through another publisher.
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>make comics for a beloved franchise for ages.
>you seem to enjoy it
>creators want to use your orginal characters for something.
>throw a fucking hissyfit.

I don't understand...ponders was a sonic fan right? Why would he be this angry about them using his OC for a game? Hell I would be honored.
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>>94594115
>sonic fan right

Not much of a Sonic fan. Just has a huge thing for the echidnas since he's been shoving his other non-Sonic related comic ideas into them for years.
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>>94594115
>ponders was a sonic fan right?
Penders never played a Sonic game in his life and actually proudly admits this. The only reason he cared that the Sonic Chronicles characters were similar to his Red Sonic OCs was because he saw an opportunity to litigate and make money.
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>>94587926
I'm just glad they went back to Knuckles' original semen demon design.
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>>94594246
A slim Knuckles, is a sexy Knuckles.
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>>94587926
>IDW
>Good
0/10 try harder to sell your shit comics you noob. How about you idw rats start to accept criticism ?
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>>94594199
>Penders never played a Sonic game in his life

And he has the gall to claim Knuckles was only popular because of him? What a fucking faggot.
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>>94594512
Especially since the comics are the most obscure media for Sonic. Penders is a faggot.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wE2dVQBXe0

Shame this never actually went anywhere.
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>>94593907
>Penders sued them

When Ken sued Sega, EA, and Bioware, they literally smacked his shit in. It's when he sued Archie alone over his enchiladas that he got that settlement.
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>>94594730
Wasn't it the other way around? Archie were the ones who sued Penders over the OC issue.
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>>94593735
>>94593735
Fuck off, Penders.
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>>94593887
>gets 100% in a game and it foreshadows the next game
Too bad Metroid Prime 3 was just an ad for Metroid Prime 4 this whole time :/
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IDW won't be able to top the Archie series.
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>>94593432
>10s seemed to have toned it down and aimed for a more mario.
That's my problem with modern Sonic games. Trying too much to be like Nintendo, from low energy humor to graphical/stage design.
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>>94594638
So AOSTH Robotnik was basically the canonical Classic Eggman all along, all the way to having a base shaped into a golden statue of himself.
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>>94593393
>can't handle the truth
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>>94593717
Terrible. As an old fag I didn't mind the attempts at SA1/2 level of story. But heroes just felt like they wanted to write a sega pico/kirby game and everything after (06/Shadow) as mad attempts to correct for it.

>>94593907
Sega gives 0 fucks about that guy. But we won't get story deep dives as they seem set on doing one off stories as far as the future is concerned.

>>94595437
It makes sense on paper though. You got a fractured fan base that tells you 50 different things. Meanwhile your former rival seems to have side stepped the problem by letting fans project onto the character. End result is a safe, character that hits the right beats.

Personally I think Sonic's gameplay system would flourish if it Incorporated more parkour elements if Sega had its former programming talents.
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IT IS TIME
ASK THY QUESTIONS
RECEIVE THINE ANSWERS
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>>94596233
oh dubs of truth, will I get sonic mania for my birthday on the 15th?
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>>94595989
>Personally I think Sonic's gameplay system would flourish if it Incorporated more parkour elements if Sega had its former programming talents.
That's true. Sega's forgetting its older talents.

>You got a fractured fan base that tells you 50 different things.
Well, really, in that case you either make a few products for everyone (like they do with 2D/3D products now - even though there's a whole different special olympics concerning which specific variation of 2D Sonic is the true one), or focus on the group that brings you the most money - which, I think, is what they are doing with Sonic Forces so far. We can all laugh at the autistic fanbase that got inspired to create its own 2kool4scool characters, but the core to fun in Sonic games still lies in the flashy, energetic action B-movie atmosphere, just add the furries. Fiery explosions, escaping from giant killer whales, surfing on lava, stuff like that.

Take THAT away and all is left is Sonic acting like some old guy who tries to be hip by being ironic and disdainful toward his friends, villains and even the very idea of adventure (the other extreme being nearly emotionless Jesus the Hedgehog from Sonic Unleashed). It works in Sonic Boom, which is a sitcom, but not so much in the mainstream "adventurous" Sonic, IMHO.
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>>94596233
Oh great sonic totem, will Ken Penders ever stop being a thorn in Sega's side?
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>>94596233
Is Platinum the Trinity the best Blazblue girl?
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>>94596233
Will we ever see Sally in future comics or games?
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>>94596233
Is there such a thing as TOO fast?
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>>94596368
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>>94594936
Yeah. My mistake. Archie sued him over the character copyrights. But Penders did sue Sega and pals over Chronicles and got smacked the fuck up.
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>>94588030
>SEGA cutting ties with Archie being "right"
Stop breathing.
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>>94596369
Holy fuck
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Reminder that Metal is the best Sonic Character.
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>>94592811
> IT'S THE CIRCLE OF SPITE
>LET THE AUTISM FLOW
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>>94596233
Will Capcom ever stop being jews and make good games again?
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Reminder that Shadow's best characterization was in Sonic '06. He was the only good character in the entire game.
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I'd honestly love to know what IDW writers feel about Penders' implications of desiring to sue the company.
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>>94597027
Shadow should have been dropped after SA2 like they planned. All this autistic fucking pandering to fans is what's ruined so much of the series.
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>>94597051
>Shadow should have been dropped after SA2 like they planned
They didn't. The new games with him were already being developed as soon as SA2 got released.
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>>94596233
Will sonic forces be good?
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>>94597091
I know. But before SA2 was released they planned on having shadow for that game only... I think...
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>>94596233
Will Yuji Naka ever make another sonic game again?
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>>94596233
>>94597244
Will he?
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>>94587926
>Mania
>Might be great
It was confirmed shit.
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>>94596714
>dropping a company because they were so incompetent that they allowed a nigga to gain enough ground to legally claim Sonic recolors >implying this was a bad move

>>94597719
go away /v/. You hate everything
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Who's been writing the dialog on recent main sonic games? A few days back I saw a playthrought of Lost Worlds and god, is awful.
I hope Forces doesn't make sonic say pathetic one liners, but just by looking at the trailers I can't really hold too much faith.
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>>94598186
The Happy Tree Friends creators, believe it or not.
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>>94588387
If you would have watched the stage, its old stages but new layouts you faggot.
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>>94590621
Ew, fuck no. That would lead to too many problems with both franchises being owned by separate companies, and is just an awful idea in general.
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>>94597719
By who? IGN (aka "Sonic was never good"), or E-celebs?
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>>94598470
>its old stages but new layouts

*it's old stages but new layouts
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>>94587926
I don't know, I'm still pretty ticked some jerkwad spammed Sonic Mania spoilers in the chat of the last official Sega broadcast. I had the final boss spoiled for me, but luckily I was able to avert my eyes from the complete list of all zones in the game.
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>>94588030

>Sonic Team realizes their original games were better than anything released post-2002

In Shadow the Hedgehog's defense, it was the only Sonic game that didn't handle like a barrel of vaselined slugs on the PS2.

Additionally I feel Sonic Team like ignoring the Dimps games, despite the fact that Sonic Advance was pretty damn good.
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>>94593703
>Other times I feel people find it funny because it's sonic
It has added appeal because it's Sonic, but I don't really think that fact adds humor.
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>>94588359
Not really a big deal for me, especially if Pontac and Graff won't be writing it.
I guess they're going to try to connect the canon of it
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>>94598186
Forces has a completely different writer than Lost World, thankfully. Though it looks like it's commiting the exact opposite sin of using an edgelord Naruto plot.
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>>94591829
>When Sega wanted to use characters from the comics in games, he sued claiming they were his
Not exactly. They were characters and concepts reminiscent of his, not his characters
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>>94600688

They've had the same writer since Colors. Seems this time he's just going all out with the ironic humor.

And bless him for it.
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>>94600718
Someone said it was taken away from Pontac and Graff for this installment. Was that not accurate?
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>>94600735

Graff is back anyway.

https://twitter.com/warrengraff/status/864507805331476480
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>>94587926
>Stopped pandering to a fanbase of autistic man children who take this shit too seriously
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>>94598214
>mfw they're still making new HTF episodes
Who is even watching it anymore?
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>>94592866
>DON'T GO TOO FAR, MANIA TEAM
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>>94600853
Lost World already tried that and STILL was shit. So that can't be all.
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>>94594199

I heard that he basically used the Sonic franchise to tell his own stories he retooled for the Sonic universe.

If that's the case, its like if you wrote a novel, rewrote it into a story for an already existing property, and now getting surprised over the characters not exclusively being yours.
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>>94587926
Is Ian going to go to IDW?
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>>94600921
Lost World was great you shit heel
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>>94600951

He's already there for TMNT.

Now we just wait to see if they give him Sonic too.
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>>94600965
Ian's working on TMNT now? What arc? I kinda stopped following it after Shredder died
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>>94600891
Japan?

They love the shit out of it, and they usually hate over-gorey and violent shows.
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>>94600963
Sure, I guess if you like shit physics, low to no air control, two arbitrary different types of homing attack, a villain cast of muppets, unfun boss battles (that can end in about 2 hits because multilock is broken as fuck), an underwhelming soundtrack, and NEEDING TO HOLD A RUN BUTTON.

Oh yeah and shit writing.
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>>94600992

Just the ones based on the Nick cartoon.
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>>94601033
I suppose

They did help save their dub of Horse Show, when they decided they loved them turning into humans.
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>>94587926

So Penders basically has no chance at ever getting into the industry ever again, right? What's he thinking?
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>>94593393
This is where the SA2 tone takes us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Pg86--7CT8
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>>94600963
Lost World wasn't bad, just disappointing.

It felt more like what if the Super Mario Bros Team made a Sonic game than the actual Sonic Team.
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>>94601108
>It felt more like what if the Super Mario Bros Team made a Sonic game than the actual Sonic Team.
Sounds better to me, given how much crap the actual Sonic Team has made.
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>>94601033
>they usually hate over-gorey and violent shows.
I'm sorry, what?
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Sonic isn't very popular over in Japan.
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>>94601190
Unfortunately, a real Sonic game by SMB's team would blow Lost World the fuck away.
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>>94601447
No it wouldn't.
The kirby team would be a better fit
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>>94592866
>Unfinished plot
>plot in a classic Sonic game

Who the fuck cares
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>>94601555
It doesn't have to be a perfect fit to blow Lost World away. Lost World was mediocre to bad.
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>>94596368
I'm hoping that an autistic fan pulls a Randy Stair on Penders.
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>>94594512
>He thinks he made Knuckles popular
Jesus he really thinks that I mean how could no one like a character like Knuckles who not only is fast but can glide, climb and punch hell he is far more interesting than Shadow if you ask me.
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>>94597235
Yeah his popularity like Goku was to demanding so they brought him back from death shame to in my opinion he got a lot less interesting with the whole amnesia thing.
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>>94601775
Well Shadow introduced Chaos Control so there's that. I do like Knuckles, but it would be better if the Master Emerald wasn't just a damsel in distress in the games, and gave Knuckles power, instead of just controlling the chaos emeralds. Knuckles whole appeal is in his race's history, and SA1 and Brotherhood managed to fuck it up.
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>>94601913
Yeah and now everyone can do chaos control now at least if they are a hedgehog hell I'm sure at some point Amy will be able to pull that shit off.
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>>94601775
Ya'll just jelly of his special, enormous penis.
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>>94601775
He also vastly overestimates exposure of his comics vs. a pop culture icon's well known video game series.
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>>94601962
Sonic and Silver stopped using it after Sonic 06
Metal Sonic stopped in Sonic Heros
It's really only Shadow move
You would think Knuckles would some trick like Chaos Control with the Chaos or Master emerald since he's the one guarding them, but nope some edgy hedgehog who should have had no knowledge of the emeralds introduced it.
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>>94601913
>Knuckles whole appeal is in his race's history
Uh, no not really. His appeal is he's a scrappy rodent with giant fucking fists who punches his way to victory. His "race's history" is a footnote to his very obvious visual appeal.
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>>94602115
I'm surprised they don't do more with Knuckles shitting over Eggman's plans with the chaos emeralds by using the master emeralds hell Knuckles sucker punch the super out of Super Sonic who's supposed to be invincible.
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>>94593783
Adventure 1 was full of big things with tons of exposition for echidnas. It's the Echidna game, way more than Sonic 3 & Knuckles was.
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>>94600769
Boo, they only know how to write cute animals dying, not actual dialogue
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>>94596233
Will we ever get another game like the Adventure series?

I liked the treasure hunting levels.
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>>94596714
Literally any comic book company could have handled it better. They get points for hiring a competent creative team (something most anybody could do), but holy shit that is not enough to place the credit on the company.
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>>94601210
Too young to sound like him. Cummings has a roar and gripe to his voice. This s like a cocky meow
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>>94602159
>Knuckles sucker punch the super out of Super Sonic who's supposed to be invincible.
Actually Knuckles got lucky and managed to hit Super Sonic at the same time Sonic's ring count hit 0. Later in the game when you fight Knuckles, if you're Super Sonic, Knuckles can't hit you out of it.
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>>94601210
Liam O'Brien
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>>94602181
And yet Knuckles' reaction to other Echidnas was really disappointing.
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>>94602234
Sadly no people bitched too much about how they didn't want treasure hunting or shooting levels which worked well for Tails since he's a tinker and made Eggman playable in a mainline game and only wanted to go fast as Sonic. In short I enjoyed the treasure hunting levels using clues to figure out emerald locations also goota admit Knuckles and Rouge had the most chill sound tracks in SA2 for their stages.
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>>94600025
The Sonic Advance games were made to be ignored though, they wrap themselves up pretty well. Hell, if anything Sonic could stand to ignore more of their library, even the good games. They don't need to keep referencing so much continuity.
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>>94602270
Wow, that was really fucking nerdy. You are arguing cutscene logic vs. gameplay logic right now. You realize that, right?
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>>94602305
Don't remember, explain
>>94602181
Ehh, like a 40:70 ratio of Echinda.

Also Really wished that the Echinda's were more prominent in the Sonic series as a tribal group, it would really open up and be a reverse from Penders' echindas ala Advanced city livers and tribal hero
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>>94602333
Well in the games Super Sonic needs rings to maintain that form. And when Knuckles hit Super Sonic no rings appeared, and when you start the level Sonic has no rings, so it's safe to assume that Super Sonic was gonna transform back anyway regardless if Knuckles hit him or not. And it's further proved in the Knuckles boss fight, Knuckles gets hurt from just touching Super Sonic.
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>>94602368
In SA1 Knuckles' story in the flash back parts, Knuckles's reaction to other Echindas is nonexistent. He makes no mention about them. Even though they can see and hear them, so it wasn't like he was a ghost or something.
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>>94602415
That's stupid. It's just a fucking cutscene. Please don't make these threads more autistic than a Sonic thread needs to be.
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>>94602415
next you'll be saying that Tails is like invincible cause he always comes back from dying in those games
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>>94602457
>>94602478
>>94602484
I speak nothing but truth, Knuckles doesn't have the strength to hurt Super Sonic.
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Who's your favorite character other than Knuckles?
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>>94602547
Super Knuckles.
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>>94602547
Blue Knuckles
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>>94602596
Metal blue Knuckles
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>>94602630
Green Glowing Knuckles
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>>94602478
>That's stupid. It's just a fucking cutscene.
Then why do people use that cutscene to say Knuckles could hit hard enough to knock Sonic out of Super Sonic form, but in the same game he can't do shit to Super Sonic? So obviously they matter when you want to prove a point, but when that point meets a counter argument the cutscene suddenly doesn't matter anymore.
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>>94601403
Tomato paste isn't gory
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>>94602713
It was a suckerpunch. Maybe he was caught off-guard. Also, real, playable Super Sonic is a reward for players who work hard to earn it, so of course they aren't going to be a dick and take it away from you. Use your head, man. You're spinning fanfiction explanations when the answer is "It's just a fucking cutscene."
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>>94602547
I liked the robo duo Kuckleses in Advance.

It'd be nice if we got to see them again.
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>>94602700
Isn't Chaos Knuckles like the strongest being in the comics?
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>>94602768
I dunno, I remember that thing derailing the comics for like 3 yrs
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>>94602766
>Kuckleses
Somebody make a new greek echidna oc named that
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>>94596233
Will they ever give up making shitty games ?
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>>94596368
Concerning.
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A daily reminder that Blaze, and Chaos are better Guardians than Knuckles.
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>>94602049
His enormous two headed penis
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>>94596233
Will Roger Craig Smith be oped out for a better less cocky voice?
I'm thinking Josh Keaton
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>>94592866
thanks for the spoiler asshole
sure would have been fun to see that for myself
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>>94603345
Adventure fags wins (once again).
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>>94603345
You're on 4chan. Don't expect nothing to be unspoiled or janitors giving a damn about that kind of shit.
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>>94603345
it's not that big of a deal, i care more about other stuff than that

in fact i'm pretty fucking angry if it's real and i hope to god it's not a real spoiler

iizuka just HAD to go and fuck it up, didn't he
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>>94603128
The better for getting head from Supergirl on a daily basis, my man.
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>>94600718
shut up boko
ironic humor is cancer that eats itself
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how long until idw works with penders?
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>>94603530
Never
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>>94602368
Knuckles' whole thing is being the last echidna. It's the one group that explicitly shouldn't be around, and the only interesting thing they DID was die off.
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>>94602700
I just noticed how clumsy this justification for exposition is. Even in a line that's just "you're green like Dimitri was" there had to be a retconned explanation.
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>>94603530
Isn't he black listed among the comic book industry?
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>>94603652
Officially? No.
But with his resume and background? The best he could hope for is a Zenescope backup writer. Nobody would deal with that shit.
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>>94603556
We'll see

>>94603652
Not officially, but after that lawsuit, no sane company would risk dealing with him
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>>94601101

This is the theme of Sonic Forces. I'm very concerned where this game is going.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI97jY3FZ9Q
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>>94603432
im more mad that a /v/ shitter felt the need to crap on other people fun cause he's pissy the game didn't cater to him personally
>>94603431
im an adventure fag im looking foward to Forces thats said im still super excited to get my hands on Mania. i got fond memories of 1-3K and playing them after elementary school days
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>>94588060
>make a new game
>most of the game is just old levels

but why
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>>94603824
Goddammit, it's sort of catchy. It really is the Adventure games all over again.
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>>94603824
i like it
reminiscent of Open Your Heart or Live and Learn
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>>94603744
>>94603673
>>94603652
>>94603530
>>94603556

Penders will have to live off fan money from now on. Convention appearances, doing sketches, that kind of thing.

No real company will ever hire a self-confessed traitor, and his own projects are vaporware fueled by Ken's constant, pathological lying to his fanbase.
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>>94587926
>debatable
>not necessarily a good thing
>MIGHT be great
Nothing to see here.
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Can someone explain to me why the Archie Sonic Comics are believed to be good?

Without Nostalgia, since I grew up with AoStH instead of SatAM
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>>94604250
It started getting good by the end. Over half of the run is garbage or mediocre though.
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>>94604250
>Without Nostalgia, since I grew up with AoStH instead of SatAM
Funny, because Archie made such a mishmash of everything that their Robotnik, while looking like SatAM's, behaved like something between AoSTH and Classic Eggman, even adapting the Death Egg arc and Silver Sonic.

As for your question, depends on which fan you ask. Some like the more gamelike-in-spirite Flynn era, some are SatAM groupies, and some actually bought into all that teenage echidna drama crap that Penders was writing. Since Penders was the main writer for a long time, there were some interesting parts in his overall shit run too, like probably the most extreme and genuinely evil version of Eggman ever.
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>>94603824
>I'm very concerned where this game is going.
This is becoming a fucking meme on youtube.
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>>94600718
>"I'm a fast hero fighting Baldy McNosehair who never wins, heh! Isn't that funny, fellow kids? Baldy McNosehair such a loser"

That writer is shit.
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>>94604426

Better than a grim, pointless serious story involving monsters from the center of the Earth that look like knock off Final Fantasy villains.
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>>94604250
average american comic is capeshit.
So yeah, Sonic is like an oasis in the desert.
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>>94604386
>>94603824
honestly why?
the gameplay looks like Generations which was great and the CaC stuff looks like it'll be a blast.
is it cause there an Edgy villian? cause there are vocal themes again?
i dont know why im asking, people who are sure the series will die have been around since Sonic and Knuckles
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>>94604440
nobody care about your mom's offspring.
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>>94604440
Shut up boko
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>>94603744
>neither SEGA or IDW can use any stories, characters, &/or concepts of pre-2005 creators
i'm a bit confused, is he saying they just can't use pre-2005 Archie shit or is he trying to say they can't use ANYthing pre-2005 like the SatAM crew? even if it is just the first then really, doesn't that really just mean they can't use the stuff by him or that other guy that sued? as far as i can tell, they're the only ones who threaten lawsuits. i don't think any of the other ex-writers care.
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>>94604488

Yes sir...
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>>94603824
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKjOJuPjiu4

This shit is the best brand of almost catchy garbage music Sonic could make. I can't wait for it to turn into a meme like Spinball's options menu theme did.
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>>94603824
Sounds like an Anime
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>>94596937
Yeah, the fact that he can't talk means he never managed to become annoying. Plus his design is so good that even Boom didn't change it in any way.
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>>94604575
why is there a razorblade in my hand?
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>>94604440
for one thats a dumb comparison, theres very little correlation between the two. and big giant monster than the hero fights at the end is a trope as old as time.
and two seeing what youve vetted for in the past gives you very little room to critique what counts as a worthwhile story.
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>>94604575
i still like it
its fun and fits the hell outta that character
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>>94604250
It's just fun competent adventure stories. That's particularly rare in comics, especially in monthly serials.
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>>94604506
No, only pre-2005 Archie. He's not THAT dumb.
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>>94604575
Little too hippity-hop for my tastes.
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The Freedom Fighters are dead, right?
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>>94604895
Hard to say. Legally they're allowed to be used with no hassle.

But Sega might want a completely clean slate with nothing from Archie whatsoever. We just don't know yet.
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>>94604895
>>94604947
The comics are the ONLY thing left using things from the old cartoon. Pretty sure Sega wants to finally end any connections to it.
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>>94604895
If IDW gets to do whatever they want, I could see them getting a nod. But they'll probably never be as important as they had been to SatAM or Archie.
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>>94604975

Probably. The Sega sonic team has never had a very good handle on what the fans want, and now that they're hands-on involved they'll probably push for shitty game adaptions with the boring Sonic Team cast.
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>>94605105
I remember people talking like this when the modern run of the comic got into full swing. Nobody wanted to know what Sonic, Tails or Knuckles were up to. They needed to know what was up with Luger, or Mecha, or any other number of bland characters that got latched onto for no better reason than the Sega characters had. Eventually the pendulum swung the other way, and people loved seeing Sonic and friends get the actual development (including the game cast, Antoine and Bunnie still barely had presence for most of the modern run by comparison to even characters like Silver.)

I feel like people say they want the cast other than Sega characters because they can have development, but in honestly in an action/comedy oriented adventure series for kids most characters received such predictable, shallow or superficial development that the Sega cast weren't comparably dry at all. This isn't even a knock on the series, character arcs that drastically change the character have just never been a strong draw for the series.
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>>94605218

That's dependant on Sega lifting the rules they put on Archie's Sonic.
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>>94605291
Even without mandates, any popular character's going to remain relatively static. They may have their character expanded or displayed in new ways, but the amount of characters that got interesting arcs of personal development in the Sonic comic can be counted on your fingers, and they won't all be DiC or Archie originals.
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>>94591829
>Archie didn't have the contract he signed saying Sega owns them.
it's worth to notice they were lost in a fire. Yeah, such things happen.
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>>94596937
I always preferred him in silver
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For as much shit Iizuka receives, I think we need to keep some perspective: Ever since 2009, he's only been a producer on Sonic games & he's only a supervisor for Forces.

He has made some dumb decisions, but he's been a part of the Sonic series for a long time & IIRC, he's one of the few from the Genesis era that's still working on Sonic games.
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>>94605524
He's just the public face, and the Internet always needs a face to demonize so they can say everything would be happy forever if that person were just out of the way. Every popular video game series that slips in quality gets it.
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>>94605524
>NiGHTS Journey Into Dreams

The designs and music were great but god damn I hated everything else about the game.
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>>94605674
We really need a third game. The first one looked like it started in the US and the sequel starter in the UK. I feel it's time to have one in Japan, the boy character will be a baseball player (keeping the sports theme of past male heroes) while the girl will be all about dancing (since the previous ones covered singing and playing an instrument respectively).
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>>94605783

I'd buy it. NiGHTS is my all time favorite game.
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>>94605368

Yeah, sure, it's just that you could really notice that Flynn was struggling to do much of anything post-reboot. He couldn't have Sonic get sad, he couldn't have Sonic lose, he couldn't have him be involved in anything resembling romance and he couldn't have him have any relatives (which is why Uncle Chuck became an uncle in name only). And that applied to every Sega character like Tails and Knux too. It's just kind of like "What comic book plots are there even left to do at this point" and the comic really suffered for it.
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>>94605783
The baseball makes sense since Japan is obsessed with the sport. The dancing one will probably be j-pop creepy underage crap so fuck no.
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>>94593195
I never played Heroes, but I thought Adventure 1 had a pretty good tone. Maybe got a bit over the top, and mixing Sonic with humans was a weird choice, but I liked the intersecting stories and Chaos was a good antagonist.
2 was a bridge too far for me, though.
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>>94605835
>he couldn't have him be involved in anything resembling romance

Especially since Sally was gay now.
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>>94605862
So gay Sally is to what gay Rotor was.
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>>94605862
Sally isn't gay. She's just a sloot.
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>>94605825
Fucking loved NiGHTS as a kid, played it all the time along with Panzer Dragoon.
>>94605846
What do you suggest then, friendly anon? She could be a traditional japanese dancer being trained by her grandmother to carry on the dance, like maybe Kabuki?
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>>94605906
>>94605914
I mean, like, officially. That mini with her and Nicole? The lesbo vibes were completely intentional.
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>>94605860
Heroes was all upbeat and happy, it didn't really get serious until the final boss.
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>>94605949
I'm aware of what Ian said. But Sally has always had on-again-off again relationships with fucking everybody. At most she's bi.
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>>94603824
>>94604575
Not as GOAT as the Adventure-era songs were, or even Black Knight, but it's at least better than fucking Cash Cash.
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>>94605906
Pretty much. Ian has zero intention of doing anything with it since anything not SallyxSonic in the comics would make people flip their shits
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>>94605944

Creepy or not, an idol dancer would sell the best.
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>>94605944
She wouldn't be in Kabuki. Kabuki plays are all male actors. If anything it would be miyako odori but that would kinda isolate the game for Japan. She could be an actress competing for a role still.
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Hey guys, you know what IDW should make a comic about with the SEGA rights?
>pic related

Also Duncan Fegredo as the artist
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>>94605524
Just because you worked on an excellent game 20+ years ago doesn't make your decisions today any more sound. He doesn't get a free pass for that.

>>94605643
Show me someone more worthy of criticism than the director/supervisor and then you can talk. But yes, games coming together poorly are often several peoples' faults.
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>>94590303
>I keep meeting parents who think it's a great way for their younger kids to learn to read
Does he think anyone will believe that?
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>>94606078

Theres tons of Sega IPs they should use.

Sonic. NiGHTS. Vectorman. Phantasy Star. Streets of Rage. Ecco. JSR. Ristar. House of the Dead. Burning Rangers. Bonanza Bros. Golden Axe.

Then have them all meet in some big crossover.
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>>94606045
True, we do need to try and making it easier for western audience to be attracted to the characters. I was just trying to complete the trio of Song, Music and Dance.
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>>94605835
All the story mandates about what characters could and couldn't do existed before the reboot. What the reboot showed was that Ian Flynn's way way better at writing characters and plot hooks that other people have dropped or made available than making up his own. The best arc in the main book's reboot (Champions) used entirely game characters for its main cast. Sonic Universe was able to do some more introspective stuff because it wasn't connected to the main series and thus could spend its issues just doing whatever it wanted, but Shadow's Black Arms arc was just as good as Spark of Life so it's not like the Archie characters were particularly better there either.

I attribute the lack of great arcs in the post-reboot not to the Sega material, but way more to the lack of a strong direction (it was dumped on them out of nowhere), lots of editorial mandates shuffling around how long arcs could be and how long single stories could be (ten pages is not enough time to do anything), and Flynn's own adherence to the past canon sticking its neck in where it didn't belong (we absolutely didn't need to spend Unleashed's arc just introducing another whole batch of redundant Freedom Fighter teams.)
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>>94606143
Ian admitted the purpose of the Unleashed arc was world-building using the game's plot as a flimsy excuse.
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>>94606139
I wouldn't mind dancing it's just.... Japan.
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>>94606093
He isn't free of blame, & that was never the point I'm trying to make. My point is that Iizuka has done good things for Sonic back then & has even done some good things now. To me, Iizuka is less of an "idiot who has no idea what he's doing" & more of a person who has a million ideas of what to do with the series & needs someone to filter out the good & bad ideas.
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>>94587926

Nothing, just because something is meta doesn't make it good.

Sonic boom lacks all plot, development, world, characterization, etc (And fucking yes, you can have all this in a goddamn comedy).

Sonic Boom has replaced it all with "aware" jokes. It's like a somehow even worse version of Teen Titans Go. Jokes are not a good comparison to story or world. It's a pile of "self-aware" garbage.
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>>94606249
Thats the big one. Until the recent restructuring there was no one keeping an eye on Sonic Team to tell him "no".
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>>94606249
Isn't someone who has as many bad ideas as good ideas just another way of saying "he has no idea what he's doing?" That sounds pretty parallel in my mind at least.
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>>94606197
Yeah, and I think he fucked that up. He focused too much on building the world and continuity, and spent extremely little time showing us why we should care about all of it. He was focused on making things we could care about later, and following extremely strict formulas from his editor which didn't help.
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>>94606261
>Sonic Boom has replaced it all with "aware" jokes. It's like a somehow even worse version of Teen Titans Go. Jokes are not a good comparison to story or world. It's a pile of "self-aware" garbage.

Sonic doesn't have much choice left, the series is run into the ground with mostly bad games.

Teen Titans stung worse because it went straight from one good show to the self-aware style of Go.
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>>94606308
Usually having no idea means having no good ideas.

>>94606261
I highly disagree. The banter Sonic, his friends & Eggman share in Boom has been the highlight of the show for me for the last 3 seasons. The whole "Boom is just self aware jokes" thing is way overblown, imo
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>>94606459
>Usually having no idea means having no good ideas.
You are removing words from their intended context.

I never said he had "No ideas." "No idea what he's doing" means he can't parse a good direction from any other and just picks one at random.
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>>94606143

We'll just have to agree to disagree.
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>>94606516
Fair enough, I suppose. But I do think that if given someone to tell him "no" once in a while, Iizuka would still be good for the series. And honestly, I think that's what's starting to happen. For example in Forces, the Wisps' role in the game is honestly the best it's had since Colors & I doubt it would've happened before the restructure.
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>>94596233
Oh Sonic Totem, will the new sonic comic line be successful?
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>>94607446
Has Sonic totem answered a single question yet?
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>>94596233
Great Sonic Totem, can I ever get a Sonic Waifu?
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>>94607751
What are you saying? That was a very specific answer.
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>>94607951
Never mind. Apparently I misunderstood how this works.
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>>94596233
Oh great and powerful Sonic Totem, will Ian Flynn write for the upcoming IDW Sonic comics?
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>>94596233
Oh terrifying sonic totem, will the spark of my childhood wonder for the Sonic series ever be rekindled?
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>>94608208
>suffering awaits
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>>94608288
>Dubs
Oh. Well that's...foreboding.
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>>94605846
>complaining about j-pop creepy underage crap
Where do you think you are?
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>>94608208
Anon, why would you do this to Flynn? He's been cursed enough by the comics
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>>94606405
>mostly bad games.
oh fuck off, people highlight a few genuinely bad games and then lump in anything thats mediocre to say that. not to mention they tend to ignore a ton of great handheld games and the like. the series is fine and just because you fell for the meme dosen't make it true
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>>94606459
there are only 2 seasons
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>>94596233
Will the Lara-Su Chronicles ever get a video game adaptation?
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>>94596233
>>94608534
OH GREAT AND TERRIFYING SONIC TOTEM, WILL THE LARA-SU CHRONICLES EVER GET A VIDEO GAME ADAPTATION.
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Here you go, anon. Have fun!
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>>94596233
Is Tails dick that long and girthy?
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>>94608586
I miss Ian Flynn's Lien-Da. He actually did a pretty good job of writing the extended echidna cast.
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>>94596233
Was Sally Acorn really gay?
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>>94596233
Am I going to get that CRT fixed for a good price?
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>>94608672
Fuck
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>>94596233
Oh wise Sonic Totem, I must know: will Ken Penders ever receive his comeuppance?
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>>94596233
>>94608644
Oh Sonic Totem, is there a very good reason why Tails gets all the ladies?
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>>94596233
I want more Metal Sonic and the Hard Boiled Heavies in the IDW comic. Make it happen?
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>>94596233
re-asking >>94597004
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>>94596233
Do you have a good reason you're being very coy about this, Sonic Totem?
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>>94608808
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>>94608808
>>94608856
>suffering awaits
>for all eternity
oh shit
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>>94597004
>>94608761
Why are you asking a Sonic totem? He has no say in Capcom matters.
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>>94596233
Will we ever see Sticks again?
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>>94608957
posting images here
>>>/v/386998476
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>>94609026
>>94608957

sorry didn't mean to reply to you
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>>94609026
>>94609049
You fucker, got me all excited thinking I was about to see Sticks in the background of one of those images.
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>>94609111
>Playable Sticks in Mania
There's an interesting thought. Maybe in one of the sequels.
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>>94609026
>/v/
no thanks, /v/ is a trash fire that apparently already shitting on this game cause it didnt measure up to whatever stands they had
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>>94609205
if you want I can post here after I'm done there, if the thread is still alive
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>>94608957
i mean the TV show is still going on
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>>94609191
haha i know that image
cropped PORN
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>>94609225
Anon is just being whiny. Don't reward him for that.

Not like it takes any effort to tune out a thread you're visiting only for the pictures, anyways.
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>>94609257
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>>94609259
you make a good point, I won't reward him
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>>94596233
Will tomorrow's tabletop session get cancelled again?
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>>94609026
so what your just taking still from the opening?
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>>94596233
>>94609404
Asking again: Oh terrible and powerful sonic totem, will tomorrow's tabletop session be cancelled for the fourth time in a row?
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>>94609499
yeah took some stills from the opening for people so they can get some wallpapers
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>mfw MLP is kicking the shit in out of it's fandom like Sonic Boom is
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>>94587926
>IDW has the rights to sonic
>IDW also has rights to MLP
The ultimate crossover. Just imagine the shitshow.
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>>94609257
You can't just say that and not give us a link.
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>>94604470
It's retards who don't understand irony. The edgelord hedgehog's trailer video literally started with a shitty nu-metal AMV and people act like SEGA doesn't know what it's doing
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>>94609736
Yeah, can't believe nobody else has said much of this
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>>94609761
Probably because the chances are very low right now. Sega and Hasbro would have to make a deal to for it to happen.
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>>94609563
how?
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>>94596233
Is Infinite the greatest addition to the Sonic franchise in a decade?
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>>94609563
I'll bite. How so?
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>>94596233

Asking again.>>94609864
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>>94609739
FA website then /view/15452029/
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>>94609788
You are aware crossovers are IDW's bread and butter right?

Hasbro has gone far weirder and with their crossovers and harder to make an agreement with.
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>>94609886
>Infinite
>for all eternity
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>>94609931
>X-Files/Transformers crossover
That's fake..right?
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>>94609533
i had though you were posting like, and art book or something
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>>94609931
I know IDW has done tons of crossovers but Sega is super strict with Sonic. They didn't like how Sonic was mingling with non-Sega characters. Like I said, chances are very low right now. Give it a few years.
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>>94609941
>>94609966

oh sorry, no art book stuff is available yet, but if I get some stuff later maybe I'll make another thread
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>>94609886
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>>94609756
i dont think its a hedgehog, the tail and hair dosnt have any of the shared design elements from Sonic/Silver/Shadow/Amy.
also i dont think its completely ironic, i mean i think the tone of it is very carefully done
he's like a power rangers villian i think, in universe hes dangerous and powerful and mostly taken seriously but out of universe he's so over the top hes just a blast to watch.
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>>94609810
>>94609883
In short, it takes the Sonic Boom Chis-Chan approach and uses characters being fans of the main cast to show how utterly dogshit the fandom is.

Here's the episode for those curious enough
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY563_DtzZw
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I'd like another Sonic cartoon that's straight forward. I'd like the design to be like this ms paint doodle I did months back

He'd be more lovable jerk and athletic and have to learn that it isn't about the spectacle and crowd cheers but helping others
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>>94610228
Pls no more redesigns
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>>94610626
No problem, just an Idea
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>>94596233
Oh great sonic totem, will I become the pro athlete I dream of becoming?
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>>94610626
But do you like it?
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>>94602723
Thank you fucking god, i felt like the only one who thought all this "gore" from that series as nothing more then just biting into a tomato
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>>94610065
Got an example? I don't have time for the whole episode.

I think these call out the worst bits of the fandbases, purely because the writers always tend to go to the conventions so it can't be all that bad for them.
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>>94601101
Calling it right now the bad guy is tails from the future after he is killed or some bullshit
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>>94588030
The adventure games are worse than colors and generations
Hell even unleashed is better
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>>94596233
Will Forces be okay? Is sonic back?
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>>94610774
I don't
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>>94589224
Eggman should create new ones (either of these or new models) in future games. They seem like a fun boss squad and have fun fights and music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW6TtXKVLYg
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>>94611643
good
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>>94611732
so wait if Mani is confirmed another dimension does that mean that Mania ia still canon to the other Sonic games? or is it its own thing in a universe where its the 90s forever
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>>94611732
They are the most fun I've seen in such a long time for a Sonic game. I can't decide which one is my favorite.
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>>94612010
I've heard about that from others and thought that might be a thing too, but I want to wait till Forces is out to see if that's truly the case.

If it is, maybe Mania simply didn't happen in the main series dimension indeed.


>>94612094
Agreed. They're definitely a fun and creative bunch. Here's hoping if Mania 2 happens, Eggman will make a bunch of new types, seeing there's many themes they could still use. I wouldn't mind the ones we have now cameoing and showing up in other stuff like Forces as well now.
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I hope the sonic design will be cute.
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So im hoping Forces lets you make multiple charcter per save file cause the character creator look like a lot of fun regardless.
like the game looks enough like generation that im not to worried about its gameplay quality at least on the sonic side, and if infinite is any indication the story looks like it'll be cheesy in all the right ways, so heres hoping the CaC gameplay is fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PV1MVNgOcc
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>>94587926
>Sonic Boom is hilarious
>Sonic Mania might be great
If by "Hilarious" you mean "Shit" and by "Great" you mean "Shit"
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>>94613208
Sonic Mania is good, it just won't live up to the hype.
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>>94606131
>>94609931
Just throwing it out there, but Sega is the parent company of Atlus these days, meaning that by extension they may also hold the rights to Shin Megami Tensei, Persona, Etrian Odyssey, and Trauma Center.

Wrap your head around what kind of crossovers those could result in.
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>>94614015
so what your saying is that a future Persona game will definitely have a character with Sonic as their Persona
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>>94608808
>>94608856
>>94608871
This kid keeps suffering when it comes to relationships. When will the cucking end?
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>>94596233
When will the Sonic was never good meme finally die?
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>>94614378
Sonic gets cucked all the time in the comics, Tails needs to find a better role model.
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>>94614378
>that whole page
ah yes, truly these cruel mandates are the assassins to the character of the Game characters
who could ever dispute that this grand display is a disservice to the character they are representing
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>>94596233
does this mean we'll finally see good sonic porn rather than awful fetish art?
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There was a Sonic Comic I saw once where it was like, the characters were going back to school or some shit, it was very anime. The cover had Amy running at the viewer, I think. Anyone have this? I can't fucking find it.
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>>94601101
>In Mania, the weird crystal Eggman uses to send Sonic through the worlds and what created the hard-Boiled Heavies seems to be Infinity in gem form.
>After failing to use it raw Eggman wishes upon something that can be darkers, evilier and betetr than Sonic.
>The energy from the gem grants it by giving Infinity a body.
>yfw Infinity is basically Eggman's own OC to destroy Sonic.
>Forces is the forces of good and your OC vs the forces of evil and Eggman's OC.
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>>94611413
Fuck I can't think of a good example if you don't already have a good idea what the fandom is like already.
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I hope we still get lesser-known game and cartoon characters in IDW like we did with Archie under Ian. It would be kind of lame if the cast was limited to just the popular game characters. I definitely get not wanting to overwhelm readers with characters they don't recognize, but after the book's been out for some time I think it would be safe to start using them.

My biggest fear, though, is a writer hamfisting real-world politics into it. IDW has a history of that (see horse comic and Transformers). Ian's got SJW tendencies but he's respectful enough to keep it out of the book about cartoon rodents jumping on robots.
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>>94615063
>writer hamfisting real-world politics into it
Iizuka's gonna have a close eye on everything that goes on in the comic & from the reboot on-wards, everything that's been put in the comic had to be ran by SEGA.
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>>94596937
damn fuckin' straight he is
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>>94614948
I like this.
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>>94614852
its from Archie, i remember it during /co/s big story time. it was during the big anime boom so the heads down at Archie basically said to do a big Anime arc with High School and Big Eyes and Girls in Sailor Fuku and everything.
it was very transparent and very embarrassing to read
im sure if you go through the Sonic Wiki or the Archie Sonic Wiki they'll have the cover your looking for
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>>94592866
Story barely matters in a game like Sonic Mania, you retard.
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>>94609957
nah man, it wasn't terrible, but it revolved around the lone gunmen
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>>94615858
I know what you're talking about. I remember that issue when it came out. Anime was crazy popular at the time. The Amy scene was an interior art. Strangely I can't find it on any online scans.
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>>94614948
Holy shit
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>>94616755
AAHH LOOK AT HER FAAAAAAACE
it must be an issue or so after that cause i cant find it in this issue on TKA
and god im not looking though any more cause the art
THE ART
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>>94616755
What is up with that character on the left?
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>>94596233
will Chris-Chan be ok?
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>>94616856
Yeah I have no idea what issue it originated or it's just missing from scans.

>>94616991
Mina Moongoose. A terrible character.
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>>94617269
like on the one hand i cant argue that the late 80s-early 90s shoujo that was popular in America at the time didn't have fuck huge eyes or tiny mouths that floated off of the faces of the characters they belonged too but good god it looks SO BAD HERE
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>>94617269
How so? Also are these anime designs really from the comic looks like they were done by some middle school student.
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>>94596233
Will I get a GF
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>>94596233
Will I get good GF
>>94614809
W O K E
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>>94617359
The artists drawing them weren't artists that had anime in their wheelhouse. They were mandated to draw Sonic, an already Japanese franchise, so it would look more anime, a style neither they nor the editors making the mandates really understood.
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>>94617359
When I say terrible I say this out of being bias on the character. She was created to be a wedge between Sonic and Sally at the time. She was even as fast as Sonic. Later I found out she was meant to replace Sally after the Endgame arc. (Sally was suppose to stay dead but her death pissed off a lot of fans at the time)
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>>94596233
Oh great and powerful Sonic Totem, will I ever fall in love with someone who loves me for who I am?
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>>94617710
>I'll see you soon
I'm scared
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>>94588060
the Super Sonic ending leak also tied it straight into Forces
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>>94614378
Oh hey I had this issue after jumping back in after not having read since ~issue 60, so I was really fucking confused.
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>>94596233
Does she like me the same way I like her?
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>>94616755

The comic had some really fucking bad periods, mostly the Penders era.
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>>94616755
I just read this issue.
It's not as bad as the covers makes it look
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Will Sonic Team every realize that the main Sonic audience is in the West and nobody gives a shit about Japanese Sonic?
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>>94596233
OH great and wise sonic totem, was it a good idea for me to give her a second chance?
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>>94596233
Power and great sonic totem, will I ever actually get off my ass and succeed at my artistic dreams?
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>>94591829
>When Sega wanted to use characters from the comics in games
This did not happen at all.
In reality what happened was that penders saw a new character introduced to the games and screamed that it was a rip off of his donut steel echidnas.

It's worth noting that this lawsuit didn't even make it to court, it was thrown out.

The famous court case involving archie is a completely different one.
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>>94620133
Well gee, I don't know, it's not like one of main character designers is going to into GOD BLESSED USA and offer some discussion to stupid gaijins. They're totally isolated and ignorant.
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>>94591201
derpibooru org/tags/artist-colon-terry
It's awful by principle but I can't get enough of this shit
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How bad do you think the Sonic the Hedgehog Live-Action/Animated Movie by Sony will be?
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>>94620832

It will never happen, mate
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>>94621322
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgeY9B1_S38&t
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>>94621365

The Penders movie will happen first.
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>>94593783
Personally. I think Sonic Chronicles added some pretty cool lore to the Echidnas. I also think that a lot of the other characters have untapped potential like Espio, Amy, Blaze and more that could get games that tie into their backstories.
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>>94587926
Talented people were put in charge of projects and bad ties were severed.

This is entirely coincidence and not representative of better decision making on Sega's part.
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>>94588060
I can't wait until they announce another one due to Mania's success With even fewer new levels because Iizuka thinks people bought it for the remix levels.
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>>94614015
They have the same parent company, but Atlus and Sega Games still operate as separate companies.
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>>94590493
This. His beef is with DC for exploiting loopholes to not compensate him, not DIE. It'd be like if David Wise sued Microsoft for re-releasing a game he worked on instead of Rare or Nintendo.
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>>94612360
Sonic is instantly a trap.

I approve.
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What was the single greatest loss of the Pendering?
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>>94621411
what the fuck?
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>>94587926
Sonic boom is okay to mediocre, Archie was good but I'm interested to see what Idw does with it, and Mania will be okay, but it's basically a level pack or fan game. I'm interested to see them going back to a more serious tone in forces but don't expect much with the writing from the last few games.
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>>94588067
>>94588387
God, this whole "the sonic fandom is autistic" thing that people meme is fucking ridiculous. Thousands of people like sonic, just because a few draw things you don't like on DeviantArt doesn't mean anything. This whole self-aware of the fandom thing that Sega has going is just making it worse by pretending it has any ground.
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Remember when this happened?
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>>94623694

Yes. It was 100% a launch vehicle for Ken Penders' Image series "the Lost Ones" as the main character for that was introduced in this special and drove the plot forward. Penders was hoping that the double whammy of featuring Spawn and Sonic would make people pick this up and get interested in his series.

And then Penders managed to produce a single issue of TLO before dropping it. Officially due to "bad sales" but most first issues of new Image series sell like shite, so it was more likely because Penders is lazy as fuck and thought it was too much effort
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>>94623535
Nothing. The majority of the """""original"""" characters he introduced to the comics were bland in both design and personality. It was really obvious how desperate he was to get his characters into the spotlight whenever they showed up. They were hilariously over designed and stood out like sore thumbs whenever they were in a scene with any official characters. His art was below average and his writing was terrible. All he did was shoehorn his OCs into everything and was obsessed with writing women like stereotypes because he has no idea what actual women act like.

Worst thing he ever did was turn out the way he did. He used all his time and energy burning every bridge he could ever use to actually be a professional in this industry and has spent decades stagnating with his art to the point that teenagers posting on deviantart have a better handle on what they do just starting out than he has now after working his whole life on it. Only good thing about him is how enjoyable a train wreck he is to watch.
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>>94623768
The only real loss was Scourge. I love how he was aware that he was just an evil version of sonic and did everything he could to differentiate himself from that.
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>>94604630
They sorta make him Talk whenever they feel like it.
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>>94623692
The brands that have it worse have huge, well coordinated marketing campaigns to help mitigate the stigma.

>>94623694
I've said it a million times, but the way he wrote Maxx is obscenely disrespectful to Sam Kieth.
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>>94624026
Which brands?
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>>94623768
Everything "good" about his work was introducing standbys that could be explored by other writers (people love the drama of daddy-issue girls and negligent parents) and forcing elements that didn't mesh, encouraging creativity.

He's right that the comic would have died without him, but only in the sense that without his halfassed work padding the pages and his obsessive need to keep the book running it would have sputtered and died. He could have done nothing but draw stick figures talking about coffee for 15 years and it wouldn't have made a difference.
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>>94624026
>I've said it a million times, but the way he wrote Maxx is obscenely disrespectful to Sam Kieth.

What?
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>>94620832
Sony pictures is going under mate
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>>94624052
Stuff like Pokemon and Mario have WAAAAAY more crazies attached, but TPC is protective enough of the brand that perception doesn't slip like with Sonic. The Pokemon-fuckers are "abnormal" despite being more numerous than Sonic vore and inflation faggots.
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>>94601403
Different demographics, sperglord.
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>>94622532
Mania is goin to sell great!
but its not going to out sell Forces, you know it, i know it, Sega know it. like it or not Mania ia a niche title as far as Sega is concerned and Forces is gonna do better just because it'll have better advertising, kids will buy it more than Forces, and lets not forget the sea of Youtube hacks and their followers that will goof on it cause "hurr hurr Sonic OCs"
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>>94624094
One of the properties in the crossover is The Maxx by Sam Kieth. It's one of the best titles from early Image and has a contemplative tone. Maxx refers to himself in third person a bit, but is articulate and intelligent despite being pretty crazy.

Ken wrote the character as HULK SMASH, WHERE IS MY GIRLFRIEND, DURRR I AM STUPID! It's like if you agreed to include Spider-Man in you crossover but just had Peter sobbing uncontrollably about Uncle Ben as he fights.
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>>94624182
Don't underestimate the power of nostalgia, more SKUs and a low price point.

I'm getting two copies.
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>>94623535
the potential storylines that Flynn had lined up
say what you will about Penders work but Ian FLynn was using it to its fullest
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>>94624026
>but the way he wrote Maxx is obscenely disrespectful to Sam Kieth.
?????????
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>>94624219

That's our Penders!
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>>94624219
>>94624577
its almost like Penders has a habit of ignoring his fellow writers work and and insisting on doing his own thing regardless of how little it meshes with previously established story.
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>>94624576
See
>>94624219
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>>94624638
Usually it's licensed instead of other artists' original works.
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>>94624906
but its the same disregard for others work
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So im reading though Sonic the Comic
and its pretty damn good? like the lowest its hit so far is that some time it does a one off story that cliche or slightly dull.
Spits in Archie's eyes thats for sure
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I've always wanted a Sonic game where revving up a spin-dash on a wooden bridge causes you to accidentally saw through the bridge and fall into the water.
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You know, I'm happy that Sonic is startin g fresh with a different company. How was I supposed to jump into the olds Sonic comics when it was going on as long as One Piece and had things like 'soft-reboots'? That's the kind of thing that keeps me out of capeshit.
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>>94602762
Seems like you're spinning fan fiction. Anon has more evidence of it was zero rings as opposed to "KNUCKLES STRONK (except when he's not)"
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>>94588170
>ROM/Sonic Crossover is what I want to see.

I'm hoping IDW crosses over with DC again to have a Sonic/Flash crossover.
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>>94625600
NIgga you just pick a new issue, it's not hard
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>>94625987
Evidence that is explained by common sense gameplay design
>You don't begin a level with rings because of course you fucking don't
>Rings don't spill out when he's punched because it's a cutscene and maybe they don't want players trying to frantically run and pick them up
>Knuckles can't punch you out of Super during his late game fight is because anyone who has attained Super mode fucking earned it

Also, typically "fan fiction" isn't plainly evidenced by what is happening on the screen. That's just canon.




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