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*ruins entire season*
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>>94605081
The issue is she had zero character beyond "move the plot along and explain things." It would've been more interesting if she stayed a villain that kept hunting Jack.
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>>94605198
Isn't it funny how only females are demanded to have complex characters? Jack was as bland as a popsicle stick with zero development from season 1 to 4 and no one said anything.
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>>94605081
At least she wasn't the main character like another show ruining woman I could mention
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>>94605274
What the fuck are you talking about? Most female characters aren't allowed to have flaws to avoid the feminist backlash, and so have little to no character. It's classic Galbrush theory anon
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>>94605081
>I have aku's powers!
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>>94605081
That wasn't her fault. It was the shoehorning of a plot to finalize what was never a plot heavy series - there was no way anything they did was going to be satisfying, because there was never any setup beforehand for an ending. The best thing they could have done was have an assortment of standalone episodes, then a 2-part finale. any plot was going to be a letdown, especially after the hype cycle.
>>94605198
Jack has no character beyond asian warrior stereotypes, not sure what you're trying to say. He's as bland as she is.
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>>94605277
Korra was the chosen one. I jacked off to her countless times.
Thanks to fucking Bryke I can't stand to even look at her now.
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>>94605081
Who ruined what season? I don't see anything.
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>>94605453
Porn is the only thing she can seem to do right.
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>>94605454
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>>94605081
>Without Aku I would have never existed!
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>>94605081
Yeah, maybe if you've never been in love before
10/10 season, only Jerries will disagree.
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>>94605274
You're an idiot.
>Quiet
>Respectful but stern when necessary
>Glaringly out of his element when it comes to technology
>Forgiving and honest
>Treats all creatures as if their lives matter
>Incredible willpower, even when he starts to give up
>Has a flaw of being too good hearted and trusting, even missing chances at a portal for it

Jack has a very definitive personality.
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>>94605478
>Stops existing after Aku is killed in the past even though Aku would've been dead a thousand years before she was even born if he was killed in the past preventing her from being able to send Jack back to the past in the first place
That time travel plot made no sense at all.
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>>94605081
You just can't let it go, can you?
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>>94605512
>Jerries
OUT
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>>94605512
Jack and Ashi had one of the worst love stories ever written.
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>>94605533
So stereotypical eastern Mary Sue. Never developing outside season 5. And how is Ashi any less complex than that?
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>>94605081
Remember how fucking good the first three episodes were? Then Genndy let his dick write the rest and destroyed everything
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>>94605081
At least she was hot I guess.
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>>94605745
That she existed in Season 5 beside a more complex Jack. If she was a one-off or mildly recurring character in seasons 1-4 nobody would have minded, but with the different structure of S5 she interfered.
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>>94605757
>first three episodes
I've heard that a hundred times. But really, the first episode wasn't that good and /co/ was pretty meh about it. The next two were great though.
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OP what the fuck are you doing posting a white image?
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>>94605716
>Woman falls in love with man after he kills 6 of her sisters.

It's original at the very least.
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>>94605832
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ashi ruined season 5 and samurai jack
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>>94605358
Thanks love
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>>94605971
>T A L K I N G P E N I S
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>>94605790
Her character development was as extensive as Jacks.
It was subject to the rushjob the entire season was, but it was there.
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>>94605790
The reasoning that she ruined the show because she lacked character is invalid. She was a complex character, going from a mission-driven cold assassin to being reborn as a person and having to relearn the world. Whenever guys dislike a female character they always go to "poor/lack of character" because they have no real reason besides their own personal biases.
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>>94606122
Sorry people don't like your paper thin waifu
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>>94606122
People just see her as an avatar of all the issues this season had, so they attribute any and all blame to her because, as the only meaningful newcomer, she was the only target available.
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>>94606122
>She was complex
maybe when they first introduced her but nothing was complex about being "born beautiful yesterday"
she was there to show her tits and be a cool action girl
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>>94606169
Ashi exacerbated the problem, but the real underlying issue was that 10 episodes was not long enough to tell the entire story at anything but a breakneck pace, and Genndy wanted to give certain elements enough time to breathe meaning other elements had to be cut to the bone.
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>>94606162
>people don't like Ashi
http://www.strawpoll.me/12982841/r
>>94606171
She wasn't "born beautiful yesterday". She wasn't naive or inexperienced at life at all and was simply misguided at the beginning.
In fact a criticism I have is that she seemed TOO knowledgeable on certain worldly aspects.
She shouldn't have the knowledge of relationships to kiss Jack or ask him if he has a girl back home waiting for him.
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>>94606241
I don't disagree, but I'm saying people are wrong to blame Ashis inclusion for all the problems when it's genndys fault for poor pacing and abysmal narrative choices for the finale
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>>94606250
>fucking strawpoll
Damn anon, you sure got me there
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>>94605809
The first episode had based Scaramouche and some amazing action, I don't give a shit what /co/ thought of it and neither should you
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>>94606250
>strawpoll
wow really got me there this totally wasnt rigged
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>>94606293
>people don't like her
>show proof that a majority of a sample liked her
>"that means nothing"
For context that poll was thrown around /co/ nonstop for a few weeks and kept a consistent rate of increase for each side.
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>>94606336
Of course, I totally believe you
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>>94605638
Pfft, later, Dweeby Chimp
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>>94606336
yea and strawpoll is easy to rig
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>>94605745
>JACK HAS NO PERSONALITY HURRR
>yes he does you fucking spastic moron
>WELL I DONT LIKE IT SO IT DOESNT COUNT DURRRR
Off yourself
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>>94605081
Pic not related?
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>>94606241
Episodes 5 and 6 could have been somewhat combined.
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>Aku responsible due to her being conceived by Aku's essence.
>She allows Jack to get back to the past.
>But then she doesn't exist.
>So then Jack would not have been able to get back to the past because she wouldn't exist.
>Since Jack is still there as opposed to him also being erased, it means she was merely pulled back to her time line as the timelines split with Aku's death in Jack's current time.

She is alive, and Jack needs to go fucking get her.
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>>94605478
>uses her last breath to explain something completely obvious to the audience
>never once do we hear her tell Jack she loves him
I really don't know how Genndy let that slip.
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>>94605467
Korra getting fucked stupid is pretty great I must admit
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>>94605868
This, and the fact that he went out of his way to protect her after slaughtering her sisters are what floor me
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>>94606760
He cared more about shoehorning a tragedy then anything else.
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WITHOUT AKU, THE TIMELINE I WAS BORN IN WILL FADE FROM EXISTENCE DUE TO YOU DEFEATING AKU IN THE PAST AND THEREFOR THE FIVE SEASONS OF YOU DOING SHIT FOR RANDOM PEOPLE MAKING COUNTLESS SELFLESS SACRIFICES FOR THE GREAT GOOD WILL MEAN NOTHING BECAUSE ALL THESE BEINGS EITHER NEVER EXISTED OR WERE NEVER BROUGHT TO EARTH ALSO BUURRP RAMA ODIN AND RA AREN'T REAL MORTY YOU PARENTS ARE JUST EMPERORS OF A SMALL VILLAGE
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>>94607136
If this were Rick and morty ashi could have just sucked Jack's dick to prevent her disappearance
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>>94605277
What's wrong with Korra? Bringing up her sexuality will trivialize your response.
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>>94608324
She's an unrepentant cunt whom the universe bends over backward to justify.
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Im mostly upset about the final season because it spent the entire time setting up a relationship that gets thrown out last minute for the sake of plot convenience. Moreover, erasing everything that came before it, every friend hes met and good deed done, while planting him back at square one just rubbed me the wrong way
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>>94606241
>the real underlying issue was that 10 episodes was not long enough to tell the entire story
Which wouldn't have been a problem if not for Ashi being given so much focus.
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>>94608324
>What's wrong with Korra?
Opening the floodgates for countless immortal, magical, virtually indestructable beings hostile towards humans into the physical world (something that was desired by the embodiment of evil), for starters.
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Would it have been better if it was a paradox?
It makes no sense that Jack didn't age 50 years forward due to aku's magic being stopped. Or reset the timeline due to aku's magic never affecting him in the first place.
The fact that ashi didn't disappear immediately makes it even weirder, time corrects itself but only prevents the future from happening, but why is jack still himself?
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I think people are more analdevastated by the ending rather than the story in general.
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>>94605198
People don't have an issue with Jojo and Jojo is full of that shit
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>>94605274
I'm a socially liberal guy but this is what people mean when they say /co/mblr, shut the fuck up
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>>94605274
Jack as a protagonist is a straight man, the supporting cast around him is what the show depends on for character.
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>>94609921
But hey she got to munch carpet so all's well that ends well
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>>94609921
Context? I didn't actually finish korra, I just heard people were pissed about the lesbian reveal
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>>94608324

She constantly screws up yet never learns a damn thing as plot hole after plot hole covers her ass and then everyone turns around and gushes about how awesome she is for ruining everything
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>Could have become a daughter figure to Jack, who was like 50 years older than her
>could have had a much better dynamic
>NOPE LOL LET'S MAKE 'EM FUCK
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>>94605809
First ep wasn't as good as next 2 but is still good.
>Jack saving doggo wiafus
>showing how he has PTSD and blames himself for failing to slay Aku/get back
>is so jaded that he's not helping villages that are being attacked anymore
>Scaramouche exists and is really fun
>pretty cool fight

It was solid. I really don't think they had to bring Scaramouche back after it, he did nothing funny or interesting besides making a penis joke.
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>>94619370
This. It was weird how they were portayd as "brainwashed/innocent" little girls who just left home and 1 week after that she bangs jack, the old samurai with PTSD.
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>>94619386
>I really don't think they had to bring Scaramouche back after it
They needed a reason for Aku to show up. At that point it was clear he was fucking done with Jack, it'd would've been too convenient for Aku to have a contrived reason to see Jack again right after him and Ashi got together.

His scenes definitely dragged a bit, but that's why they tried to make him as charismatic as possible.
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>>94607050
so just regular fucked?
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>>94606250
>She wasn't naive or inexperienced at life at all
She didn't know what deer were, and she didn't understand their affectionate gesture of rubbing noses together.

>She shouldn't have the knowledge of [...]
A lot of important character development apparently took place off-screen. We don't know when exactly did Jack learn Ashi's name, or when did Ashi learn that Jack's from the past, but they still did learn those things.
I wish the show hadn't skipped important character moments like that. But since they did, presumably Ashi learned a lot more off-screen, and that's supposed to explain why she appears less naive towards the end of the season.
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>>94605081
>episode three
im going to kil youkill you kill you kill you kill you kill you kll you kill you
>episode five
submisive waifu

why is this allowed?
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>>94608324
>trivialize your response
thats all her character is now and Brykr doesnt let you forget, also she was terribly written it shocks me people still defend her
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>>94609921
You hold to that even though it didn't happen.
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>>94605478
>Jack will forget she ever existed
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Ashi was the best girl and helped to make the season
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>>94605745
there's no such thing as original character traits, everything has been done before and it's how those traits are applied that makes the character distinct. Jack had 5 seasons to grow while Ashi had 10 episodes
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>>94605081
Nah, pacing killed the fifth season. Trying to cram so much in 10 episodes is impossible and something had to give. Ashi's just a scapgoat for a complete hackjob of a conclusion
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>>94622578
wtf is going on here?
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>>94605274
B-but jack is the main character!
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>>94622617
Where can I find more of these episodic reaction guy things? I lose my shit at them every time
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>>94605274
>zero development
HEY, REMEMBER THAT TIME JACK FOUND THE RUINS OF HIS OLD HOME AND STARTED REMINISCING ABOUT THE PAST, REFLECTING ON HOW MUCH HE MISSED HIS HOME AND HOW OUT OF PLACE HE ACTUALLY FELT?

REMEMBER THE TIME HE GOT INFECTED WITH AKU SICKNESS AND NEARLY SUCCUMBED TO IT, ADMITTING TO HIS FATHER AND MOTHER THAT HE FELT TRULY GUILTY FOR FAILING THEM?

REMEMBER THE TIME AKU MANAGED TO TRICK HIM WITH GREEN PUSSY TO DESTROY A TIME TRAVEL GEM, AND THEN WHEN HE TRIED AGAIN JACK WAS READY BECAUSE OVER THE COURSE OF THE SERIES JACK HAS SLOWLY BEEN GETTING MORE SAVVY TO AKU'S SHIT?

REMEMBER HOW JACK AND AKU FINALLY DECIDED TO DUKE IT OUT IN A DUEL, AND JACK MANAGES TO MAKE AKU LOSE HIS SHIT BY PLAYING HEAD GAMES WITH AKU?

REMEMBER THE TIME JACK FIGHTS A COUPLE OF MONKS FOR A LITTLE BIT, ONLY TO REALIZE THEY WERE TRAINED IN THE SAME STYLE AND PROCEEDS TO GEEK OUT ABOUT IT?

REMEMBER THE TIME YOU'RE A FAGGOT WHO HAS NEVER FUCKING WATCHED THE ORIGINAL RUN OF THE SHOW AND YET YOU THINK YOU'RE AN EXPERT ON THE SUBJECT?
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Let's talk about what really ruined Samurai Jack. April 1.
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>>94605081
>first 4 episodes is literally 10/10
>last ones is just some fanfic-tier trash
How is this even possible?
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Look, I'll just say it. The problem is girlfriend characters. Especially in cartoons. I don't think they work in any medium besides a sitcom. She was shitty because she was introduced to become jacks wife.
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I still love Samurai Jack, and I've gotten over the terrible finale, but what bothers me most is that every thread about it from now on will be the same shitty arguments and points being made.

Thanks for ruining your show, Genndy.
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>>94624741
I'm annoyed this is the only place I can discuss it freely. My friends ate up the finale, and when I mentioned that I didn't care for it they just immediately assumed I was being a contrarian dick for no reason.

I mean, I get it was a mix of justified and unjustified backlash but I feel like my complaints about the pacing and overall character development (or lack thereof) is in some way justified, I'm not just saying "I HATE SAMURAI JACK BECAUSE IT'S POPULAR".
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>>94624817
I've been in the fence about it for so long, not sure whether I completely loved or hated the finale. What it ends up being for me is ehh, because for all the things the finale does right, it's cancelled out by something shitty, so the whole things ends up feeling like a disappointment.
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>>94624817
>not being eloquent and charismatic enough to convince your friends that last season of Jack has shitty pacing and Ashi was literally cancer of entire story.
wew son
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>>94624904
pick one
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>>94624902
But she wasn't. Ashi is a scapegoat for everything else wrong with the season.

If she had been a recurring character from the beginning, nobody would be blaming her like they are.
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>>94624952
Well, she is guilty of being centre of all the season right after 5th episode. Every episode before that one were excellent. But then
>muh Ashi
>muh references for the sake of nostalgiafags
>muh forced final battle only to end like animeshit
Scottsman talked to Jack FOR FUCKING 10 SECONDS. Fuck this shit.
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>>94605081
Honestly, if they were going to pull her being one with aku and having his powers and all that power of love and bullshit, why didn't they have a twist end like Her being the root cause of Aku in the first place via this time loop or something, so Jack has to tragically kill her, and then gets with that one yellow kimono girl and has a daughter, and names her Ashi in remembrance?
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>>94605745
>jack didn't develop
>er..okay he did! But not in season 5!
>uh..okay he did BUT I DIDN'T LIKE IT!

Fucking Kill Yourself
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>>94625022
Like I said, the season was chock full of bullshit, and Ashi's character was unfortunately bogged down by all of it. I still like her, and wish she was utilized in a better way like the original series might have. No matter what anyone says, people are still going to blame her for the season being shit, and that's sucks.
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>>94625166
I want to say that Ashi's problem stemmed from a lack of time to explore her as a character (which is true, the season sorely needed more episodes to tell the story it wanted to), but honestly there's a lot of irrelevant bullshit that could have been reworked or cut to better suit the needs of the story. I mean, too many parts of the story were solved by deus ex machina, Scaramouche's journey to Aku took FAR too much screentime (and I say this as a man who fucking loves Scaramouche), and Jack's journey to retrieve his sword was ultimately a forgettable endeavor.
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>>94619370
The salt of daughterfags' tears was priceless, though.
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I was surprised when /co/ wasn't just being contrarian as fuck about the ending being disappointing, but a lot of the focus seems to be on Ashi when my personal problem was the final battle being anticlimatic as fuck. The "then all of Jack's friends help fight" thing was so creatively bankrupt I couldn't believe it. It's literally the default "I don't know how else to end this cartoon" ending. It could've been fine as a short little outside battle thing, but it replaced Jack having a final showdown with Aku and Ashi. This show had so much action, but literally any random episode from the original series was more thrilling than the finale, which is embarrassing. Especially since the bar was raised so high in the first three episodes. Yes, we all know that Jack can beat Aku but that's not the point. This was THE final fight, yet Aku and Jack barely did anything at all.

My only problem with Ashi as a character was her development was rushed, inevitable with only 12 episodes, and that she somehow persisted in the past for weeks to months after Aku's death. If this show had gone out with an actually good fight scene, I'm sure the Ashi bullshit would've been forgiven but the final fight was literally SO underwhelming it just left you feeling empty. This show was largely about a samurai killing robots and other fantastical creatures, and the final season felt like a darker and more thrilling version of that show but the lack of consistently good fight scenes like in the original show killed it.
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Everything wrong with the season can be traced back to the fact that they didn't have enough time. They didn't have enough time because they decided to spent a ton of screentime of Ashi, leading to rushed unsatisfactory conclusions like the ghost samurai haunting Jack. And to top it all off, they spent like half the season building up Ashi and her romance with Jack and throw it away at the end for cheap drama. I mean if you're gonna to spent so much time on her and a romance subplot then at least have the balls to commit to it at the ending. Instead it feels like a waste since we didn't even have a happy ending with her and Jack.
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>>94624741
Yeah. Samurai Jack threads, as scarce as they were, used to be pretty fun. Now it's shitposting all over the place.
And this is coming from someone who, acknowledging season 5's flaws loved it nonetheless.
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>>94621963
No he won't, Jack experienced the time loop. Its just that once he looped it sealed itself creating a divergent timeline.
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>>94625368
I think the final battle between Jack and Aku would have been disappointing either way.
The power difference between the two of them has scaled immensely since the show started. The best fights they've ever had were during their first encounter, in which they didn't know each other and thus were inexperienced and in the one in the cemetery, in which Aku held the advantage.

I do think it was an intelligent decision having Jack finishing Aku up without even talking and doing it in a rather quick and humiliating way. It fit quite well. But as the finale, they needed to add more trepidation and thus we got the final battle between Aku and Jack's allies.
And that's pretty sad, because I feel they decided to play it safe with that.

Now, this is just my opinion and I probably have shit taste, but I feel maybe it would have been better to let Jack finish off Aku in the first ten minutes of the episode and spend the final 10 minutes wrapping up everything with going back to the past and Ashi.
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>>94625394
10 episodes would have been a fantastic season with the old format of episodes barely relating to each other with only a few lingering plotpoints hanging over. If they wanted to tell a concise story they should have gone for 15 episodes or so.
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>>94621401
>I wish the show hadn't skipped important character moments like that. But since they did, presumably Ashi learned a lot more off-screen, and that's supposed to explain why she appears less naive towards the end of the season.
Show don't tell, amirite?
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>>94625550
You're absolutely right in that one of the biggest problems with the finale was the rushing of Aku's defeat and the lack of closure with Jack's allies. Presumably, many of them died in that final battle after Aku rained spikes on everybody, but it would've been nice to know whether they continue to exist after Jack changes the timeline.

Sure, it's clear enough that Ashi can't exist because she was born from Aku, who was never there to inseminate her Mother. But it's not clear how things are for everyone else, the circumstances of their births could still have occurred even without Aku's existence. NOT THAT THEY EVER TOLD US.
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>>94625681
I actually don't mind the ambiguity of the ending with all those characters because I feel it's pretty well closed in that ending shot.
When Jack holds the butterfly in his finger (as corny as it is, that sequence of Jack wandering though the mist redeemed a big part of the finale for me) and releases it to the world, only to show the rows of trees that had been burnt by Aku.
It was a message of hope, but also uncertainty. As in Jack doesn't know what lies ahead of him or the world for that matter, but there's now something good to look forward to.

That visual message sat very well with me and made me forgive the lack of attention the secondary characters suffered in the finale.
However, I still lament that they did most half the way. They really should have stuck to one extreme.
For example, killing off the Scotsman for good. I honestly liked his death and wouldn't have minded if he stayed dead.
Bringing his allies but without giving them the proper attention (and I mean in Jack and them interacting somehow) was a mistake. Either go all the way or don't do it at all.
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>>94624585
I could care less about Rick and Morty, but at least it prolonged the inevitable for us by delaying this abomination
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>>94607429
Suck and jerk him.
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>>94619370
>>94620085
Stay mad forever, daughterfags.
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>>94622650
This. THIS SO MUCH.
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>Bring back a series thats been dead for 13 years
>Dedicate 7 out of 10 episodes to some baboon faced, literally who character that should have died in Ep. 3
>Reduce all of Jacks internal conflict to a cringy forced romance in the end
>Blatantly rip off an anime ending for the finale

JUST
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>>94622762
None of that is a change to his personality.
It's an addition of depth, but it isn't development.
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>>94605198
She had a thriving defiant curiosity to see the world and inherited it's love for Jack.

She represents what happened to the future after Aku was defeated and how that world felt about it's end and how Jack felt about it.
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Can we talk about the REAL fuckup Genndy made, ruining the series forever?

Jack didn't have a trimmed beard when he got his sword back
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>>94626546
This.
She was a perfect product of the world Aku had created and which Jack intended to destroy.
She starts off being the epitome of every evil Aku unleashed on the world and with time Jack's goodness manages to get her out of that pit.
In that regard, her character is pretty interesting.
I also liked how they showed that Aku could undo everything Jack had accomplished in just a second.
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>>94605081
I liked it (even the last episode)
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>>94626278
DEVIANTART
MY
SHIT
UP
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her existence reduced 4 seasons of jack making friends ans saving people, down to a clip show. they're existence only now serves to win Ashi over to Jack's side.
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>>94626651
>I also liked how they showed that Aku could undo everything Jack had accomplished in just a second.
Only for it to be undone by the power of awful writing and LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUV
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>>94628486
It's not the first time the power of love defeats Aku's influence. Don't you remember "The Aku Infection"?
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>>94628552
I know, it just feels awful how the ultimate evil can be defeated by a simple emotion
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>"LOOK MA I POSTED IT AGAIN!"
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>>94628597
The ultimate evil also stretches in the morning, gets depressed and sells propaganda to children before sperging out when they don't buy it.
Aku's not really a perfect incarnation of ultimate evil.
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>>94605081
She was cuter with her evil hair
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>>94628715
He's a lovable ultimate evil
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>>94628833
Indeed he is.
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Anyone who thinks Jack developed in any way through the first four seasons is objectively wrong. The only lasting difference is that he learned to jump good.
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>>94628913
>Tumblr
Fuck off.
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>>94628986
I take you've been here a couple of weeks. How's the adaptation process going?
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>>94605081
Ashi didn't ruin the season but she is emblematic of the real problem: With Season 5, Genndy completely changed the formula of Samurai Jack, and the transition was not graceful.

Samurai Jack (Seasons 1-4) was a show about a wandering samurai having achronological adventures in a weird sci-fi futurescape. "Getting back to the past" was never more than an excuse for Jack to meet new people and enter new situations. Each episode was self-contained, a movie unto itself.

Samurai Jack Season 5 flipped the script in almost every way. S1-4 was self-contained storytelling, S5 was serialized. S1-4 were relatively bloodless, S5 piled on the violence. S1-4 was straightforward and action-driven, S5 injected characterization and SO MUCH ANGST.

It's almost like Genndy felt uncomfortable with what he viewed as limitations within the framework of Samurai Jack and tried to make Season 5 more "legitimate storytelling". But the greatness of Samurai Jack was always in its craft, not necessarily its storytelling. The reason Samurai Jack was so compelling was because Genndy was a master at pacing, cinematography, and fight choreography. Every episode was a master class in how to entice a viewer through a slow build, then rewarding their patience with a loud, satisfying crescendo.

Samurai Jack 1-4 was a show that told simple stories spectacularly well. Season 5 told a more ambitious story in a clunky, uneven manner and ultimately it will not be remembered as fondly as a result.
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>>94629122
>Samurai Jack Season 5 flipped the script in almost every way. S1-4 was self-contained storytelling, S5 was serialized. S1-4 were relatively bloodless, S5 piled on the violence. S1-4 was straightforward and action-driven, S5 injected characterization and SO MUCH ANGST.
With this I disagree a bit.
While the first seasons were bloodless, they were as violent as season 5. Also, Jack did received some characterization in the original seasons as well as a good dose of angst here and there; those moments were more spaced out because we're comparing 4 seasons with one. I'd say that in those regards the new season was pretty balanced compared to the original in proportion.
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>>94605198
>she had no character development
>she would have been more interesting if her character didn't change
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Even with this season's flaws, I really liked their relationship, and wish we'd seen more of them together.
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>>94629492
I am okay with the path they chose for their relationship's nature. Whether they had been lovers, friends or master and apprentice I would have enjoyed.
I wonder if this is a testament of how good their interactions were, since you can see them going in very different directions, or how mediocre it was since every development would have adapted to it.
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>>94628749
>They change hairstyles
>Therefore there is character development
QED
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>>94629569
I think it's that despite the difference in the method and context of their training, both of them were brought up in similar ways. The disparity between their experience of the world is what setup the father/daughter scenario, otherwise they would only have been seen as equals/friends/romantic partners.

Personally, I'm glad we got the ship.
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>>94628986
are you actually a fucking retard?
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>>94629683
I'd also argue that despite her age, Ashi has experience enough harshness to compare to Jack's own, despite Jack's having been a much more prolonged one.
What do you have to say to those claims that Jack's practically a pedo for liking Ashi?
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>>94629683
It sucks that it had to end with no chance EVER for canon expansion of her life
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>>94629720
They are two consenting adults in a world where our standards of ethics toward relationships can not apply
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>>94629753
Yeah, those were my thoughts. Still, some people keep bringing up that Ashi's a teen, for some reason. Or that Jack's 75 even if she's 20.
Kinda fucking retarded.
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>>94629722
That gives me an idea for an fanfic:
>The Gods decide to give Ashi the chance to reclaim her existence
>She has to repeat Jack's trials in the Aku future timeline that was also erased, since it's not being used anyway
>Maybe a subplot about Jack discovereing some macguffin that can bring her back, and questing to find it

If I wasn't already working on an AU, I'd do it.
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>>94629720
This, >>94629753 plus, Jack was misplaced in the timeline, and wasn't actually aging.
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>>94629841
Good luck with that anon. I mean it.
I'm considering writing a fanfic myself about Jack's last adventure after he's retired decades after saving the world from Aku.
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>season finale
>literally no slowmo kill cutscenes
>he only kills humans like 7 times (the daughters of Aku)
>most of the time i spent on ashi and is dragged out
>things that should be for a few seconds last a few minutes
>2 episodes of running only to BTFO the daughters in a minute
>hype up the samurai armour and bike
>loses it within the first few minutes
>>94605081
where can i get a jacket like that??? looks cool
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>>94629978
>literally no slowmo kills
He does that with one of the daughters and with aku.
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>>94629901
Thanks, m8! I'm about halfway through, and getting a little bogged down in details because I'm autistic like that. But I have the whole thing planned out in my head for the most part.

If you get around to yours, I'd love to read it.
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>>94630014
>2 slowmo kills
unacceptable
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>>94630021
Well, perhaps I should get off my ass and finally start typing instead of panicking at the sight of a blank document and a keyboard now that I know there's someone who seems slightly interested in reading it.
I'd like to check out yours too. Is it the one that takes place in a Noir setting or the one that takes place in American suburbia?
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>>94630057
Suburbia, the other is an actual script for a future spin-off series, or so I'm told.

It's up to you, don't feel like you owe it to anybody but yourself to write it. As much as I love writing, I end up putting a lot of pressure on myself to put out good chapters, which ends up impeding me in the long run.
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>>94630098
>As much as I love writing, I end up putting a lot of pressure on myself to put out good chapters, which ends up impeding me in the long run.
Yeah, that sucks the most.
Every time I've been able to gather the courage to write something I always end up having a lot of fun with it and after I'm done I promise myself I won't be scared of trying again. And then I go back to being paralyzed. I don't think I've ever gotten beyond a single chapter in any story I've ever written. And I tend to write long ones; 15k to 20k words or so.
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>>94605198
She was a portal.
You wouldn't want your portal experiencing emotions, would you?
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>>94605081
>Genndy was so intent on pushing this glorified waifubait that we didn't get what we really came for
>tfw we never found out Jack's real name
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>>94630143
>15k to 20k or so
I envy that, this is my first fanfic and I'm already over 70k. It's maddening to think of how long this'll be once I'm finished.
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>>94630169
Call me crazy, but I doubt we were ever supposed to find that out. We would've known from the very beginning if it was of any consequence.
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>>94630174
Fanfics can get ridiculously long. I guess that's what happens when there are no deadlines.
Mind giving me a short summary of what your story's about? I'm rather curious.
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>>94630169
His name is Ahkhu
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>>94622696
That is a good question.
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>>94629492
>stupid, sexy samurai
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>>94630169
His name is Jack. He's been known by that name longer than by his previous one.
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>>94630231
It's a Jashi fic where Jack and Ashi are young adults who both end up living in Burlington, VT. They knew each other as kids, but reconnect near the start of the story, and their relationship kicks off from there.

I incorporated a shit ton of plot elements and characters from the show itself, but modern interpretations of them.
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>>94630464
Sounds nice. I admit I don't know how much I'd enjoy a story that takes character away from an action setting and puts them in a slice of life story, but if handled well it could be pretty great. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
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>>94630545
https://m.fanfiction.net/s/12557068/1/The-Actions-That-Follow
Not him but he was beating around the bush and not sharing.
I quite enjoy it, hope you do too.
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>>94630574
I'm going on a trip in a few days; I'll save it to read it while I'm gone.
Thanks for sharing anon.
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>>94605081
I once supported a Patreon just to get a porn animation of Ashi.
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>>94629062
>>>/tumblr/
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>>94630574
Yeah that's it, thanks for pulling the trigger anon.
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I really liked Ashi
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>>94631241
Same.
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>>94631241
I still like her
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>>94606708
There's only 1 back though. Jack got sent to the future, stayed there for like 50 years or however long it was then came back from after the time he was sent back.

I think. The last season was stupid
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Has anyone made an approximate estimate of what bra size Ashi would use?
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>>94631800
32C/D cup is what i would guess
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http://www.strawpoll.me/13700885/
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>>94634992
Fucking hell, I voted for the wrong option accidentally.
>Pacing
not
>Going back to the Past
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>>94605427
IMO best thing they could have done was have Aku accidentally end himself through his own arrogance.

IE: He sends Jack back in time just to let him watch the slave-labor conditions his parents are suffering under, but Jack breaks free unexpectantly and delivers the final blow in a very anticlimactic "Oh shit" moment for Aku.

This is how I thought the series was going to end, and I was really disappointed when this subplot about Aku's daughter inheriting his power got introduced.

Yes, yes, I know about the fanfiction about wandering the wastes with his girlfriend. At the same time, I thought Genndy would have more restraint than to just wholesale pick the plot out that he pitched years ago and place it unaltered into the show.

The whole point of the dynamic between Jack and Aku was how Aku could never really kill Jack due to his own conceited nature. So his death should be directly his own fault for underestimating him.
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>>94635417
You do realize his death WAS directly his fault right? He ordered demonashi to stop seconds before she executed a surrendering jack.
He did this so he could rub it in everyones face and it allowed others to rescue jack
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>>94635465
not necessarily. While his actions lead to his death, it wasn't a direct cause-effect. His arrogance did him in, but only because of a plot twist that Aku could have never seen coming.
Aku's greatest moments are when he fails at something that even a toddler could have seen coming, because he's this cosmological evil but still grapples with simple cause and effect problems.
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>>94635055
I kinda feel like i shouldn't have put pacing, because everyone agrees and always has agreed that pacing in general sucked and it isn't specific enough to be indicative of peoples opinions
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A-ASHI I WUB YOUUUUU LOL
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WOAH DUDE I GOT AKU'S POWERS LOL
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>>94608324
>vatu creates the spirit portals to bring over spirits and fight against humanity
>humans resort to living on lion turtles to avoid extermination
>won and raava work together to defeat vatu and close the spirit portals
>humanity flourishes and forms a health relationship with spirits (who for some reason are still able to come over and do their spirit shit without the portals)
>korra sees all of this
>defeats vatu again
>opens the spirit portals and fulfills the will of the literal spirit of human hating chaos energy
>already seeing spirits and vines disrupt the lives of humans with no way of stopping it
>no one blames korra, acts like this was just a change of the weather
>korra expects everyone to deal with it
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>>94619253
>>94636269
don't forget the vines lead to the universe's version of nuclear weapons
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>>94622617

I know how overused the term is, but the first three episodes were pure kino.

Those amazing scenes and atmosphere just plain disappeared the moment Ashi became a party member since now there was constant talking and Jack getting more and more awkward. Frankly only Aku and Scaramouche made the later episodes bearable.
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>>94622653
That was made by some anon shortly after the 2nd episode where the first sister died.
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>>94605081
eh, about half the season really. Pretty creepy how she literally raised to do nothing but kill Jack and ends up wanting to bone him. Why was Jack okay with this.
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>>94605277
She's even ruining her own fanfiction (canon) comic.
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>>94636184
I forgot how creepy her face was there.
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>>94626390
Development=/= Change you fucking dipshit, it the depth in character develops them more to the viewer
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>>94629841
I like this, I like this a lot
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>>94639777
Change is exactly what development entails.
A character ideally has a starting point and an ending point(in terms of personality), and the storys events help develop the former into the latter.
For example, telling us in different ways that jack is a noble humble man who feels regret for his perceived failure against aku is not moving his story forward, as we already KNEW that from the first episode.
However we see ashi begin as an indoctrinated aku-worshipping assassin, and through Jack's actions and dialogues with her, she develops into a sweet, brave, loving person who finally feels like she is worth something.

Jack even has character development between seasons and throughout season 5, but he does not have any meaningful development in the originals, if for no other reason than any development is wiped away in the next episode.
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>>94629841
Fund it.
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>>94609921

> Letting Spirits roam unhindered through the physical plane

Which coincidentally was something that WAN'S ENTIRE GODDAMNED BACKSTORY warned against, but of course Korra misses the only lesson that she could have conceivably taken from her stint as an amnesiac sleeping in a puddle...




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