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The writer of "The Punisher" will be writing a new "white power" comic book that could benefit America

https://medium.com/@Death_Ray/an-open-letter-to-chuck-dixon-4551684b4158
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>>95939492
Fuck you anon I though Dixon was going to write the Punisher again. What a waste of a thread about some guy bitching at a writer.
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>Creator of Clarissa
he should stick to that instead of sperging out
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>>95939492
Chuck is white and based.
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>>95939768
He's a closet gay though.
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>>95939804
And?
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>>95939663
"sperging" has really been run into the ground.
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What is this gay thread about? I'd rather talk about bane the new bane comic
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>>95939889
You'll talk about what you are fukkin' TOLD to talk about.
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>>95939889
What's there to talk about? It's good and I look forward to anything else he works on.
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>>95939944
What's good? The Bane series? my local shop can't move it and wishes the table space could be used for his coffee maker.
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>>95939980
>my local shop can't move it and wishes the table space could be used for his coffee maker.
Did the people pulling it not show up or what?
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>>95940062
He says there isn't enough interst to justify a second issue, much less 12.
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>>95939492
If even half of that shit is true then yeah this fucker is exactly what the modern comic industry needs, Captain America doesn't need to be going full /pol/ but fucking hell they need a different perspective over there than Tumblr on steroids.
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>>95939492
wait... a guy who makes porn is calling someone "raysis"

his comic is... of a nature that can't be discussed on 4chan... and he's trying to take moral high ground on something?
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Chuck Dixon is involved with that Alt-Hero thing? Hey, it may actually turn out worth paying some attention to.

I think the Punisher looks good and I'm not averse to him killing corrupt government officials. I am a little confused at how the trailer seems to tie it to his wife's murder when that was already dealt with in Daredevil.

This guy takes issue with Chuck saying Frank should be going after mafiosos and somehow twists it into a racial thing (Italians are generally regarded as white). Well, actually if Frank was real he would inevitably kill disproportionate numbers of blacks since blacks commit disproportionate amounts of violent crime. But I'm glad he doesn't. That would get boring and I'd rather see him square off against criminal masterminds than street corner savages.
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What's the new comic? I don't care about politics, but Dixon is legit the most underrated comics writer ever.
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I don't have a dog in the Punisher fight, but Alt-hero looks like shit.

Anything thats propaganda first, story second usually is.
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>>95940101
sales are pretty low at #5: 15,768
They are going to be very low by #12
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>>95940189
Literally everything is propaganda.
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>>95940189
Teddy doesn't care about your fukkin' opinions, cuck:

"I'm really not interested in being told HOW to do anything, especially given that I have considerably more experience in actually doing things than most of the would-be advisors. I also don't need people telling me that it would be advisable to find an artist or two who can actually draw."

(http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/03/diversity-in-comics.html)
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Holy shit people not only backed this project, but backed it HARD
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>>95940249
Jumping straight to cuck, huh? So you're, what, 15? 16?
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>>95940285
I wish someone gave me all that money
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>AltHero is a world not too terribly different than our own. It is a world where the Wehrmacht generals overthrew Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party in 1939, and where the first atomic bomb was dropped on the order of Reichskanzler Jodl on Soviet territory in 1944, leading to the fall of the Soviet Union in 1956. It is a world where Japan attacked Australia instead of Pearl Harbor and China occupies the Korean Peninsula. It is a world of four superpowers, where the European Union rivals the United States of America for wealth and influence, and where China and Russia possess the two most formidable militaries on the planet.

>And AltHero is a world of newly discovered superhumans.

>No one knows why rumors of individuals with seemingly impossible abilities first began to appear in the early 1960s, but in 1972, Linus Pauling conclusively proved the existence of a new breed of beings with superhuman capabilities that were genetically distinct from conventional humanity. Pauling named this new breed Homo Sapiens Sequens and won an unprecedented third Nobel Prize for this discovery. Assisted by funding from the National Science Foundation and the International Monetary Fund, he established the Institute for Enhanced Human Development to study them.

>Some scientists believe Homo Sequens to be a consequence of the advent of atomic weapons, others consider it to be an indicator of alien intervention. Optimists consider them to be the next step in the evolution of Man, while pessimists fear that they will inevitably bring an end to the human race. Regardless, what is clear is that Homo Sequens is real, that it is rare, and that its individual members are invaluable to the government, or private organization, that can effectively harness their wide range of talents.
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>>95940285
It's a money laundering scheme for sure. Notice that, unlike Kickstarter, you can't actually see a list of pledgers, except a few along the left of the page.
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Time to buy all those Chuck Dixon trades before DC stops printing them.
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>The various world powers have taken different approaches to trying to harness the superhumans in their midst. Both China and Russia draft all of its citizens who are discovered to possess superpowers into their militaries and boast the most formidable collection of superhumans yet known. The European Union has established the Global Justice Initiative in the hopes that Homo Sequens will bring about world peace, while the United States of America has joined 44 other UN Member States in signing the Singapore Superhuman Treaty, which is part of the United Nations Framework Convention on Advanced Human Rights and turns over the management of its superhuman citizens to the United Nations Superhuman Protection Council.

>The UN-SPC guarantees the political rights and provides gainful employment to the superhumans who fall under its authority, and forbids them from joining any military except as an adjunct to a UN peacekeeping force. It maintains a small, permanent force known as the Peace Squad which is usually used to confront abuses by militaries belonging to Member States that are not signatories to the Singapore Treaty.

>However, not all Americans who are superhumans are interested in being protected by the United Nations, and it is estimated that more than seventy percent of all Homo Sequens who are American citizens have managed to remain unidentified and unregistered.
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>>95940306
I thought that since "sperging" was already in play...
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>And there is no organization that is unhappier about the Singapore Superhuman Treaty and the limits imposed upon American citizens by the United Nations Superhuman Protection Council than the U.S. military.
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>>95940306
(also, were being sarcastic.)
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>Alt-Hero
>white power

Vox Day is a Zionist mutt who hangs around with queers like Milo and Thernovich.
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>>95940285

if there's one thing i know about people on the far right it's that they're easy to grift
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>>95940320

>AltHero is a world not too terribly different than our own.
>It is a world where the Wehrmacht generals overthrew Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party in 1939, and where the first atomic bomb was dropped on the order of Reichskanzler Jodl on Soviet territory in 1944, leading to the fall of the Soviet Union in 1956. It is a world where Japan attacked Australia instead of Pearl Harbor and China occupies the Korean Peninsula. It is a world of four superpowers, where the European Union rivals the United States of America for wealth and influence, and where China and Russia possess the two most formidable militaries on the planet.

this is some funny shit
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>>95939492
>Creator of Weapon Brown, Deep Fried and Clarissa. And AIDS.
Creator of...AIDS
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>>95940399
No shit. Teddy refuses to tell them when the project will even start delivering the goods, but the chuds just keep dumping their wallets into his lap. Comic vaporware.
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>>95940418
I fucked a lot of monkeys to get the recipe just right!
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>>95940380
Who's we? Got a mouse in your pocket?
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>>95940449
The project still has 18 days left
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>>95939492
>white people shouldnt be killing people
BUT WHAT IF THE MINORITIES ARE CRIMINALS YOU DOUBLE STANDARD BLEEDING HEART BITCH I FUCKING HATE SOCIAL JUSTICE
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>>95940424
Christ, such shit lettering.
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Is diamond distributing this? Will it be in comic shops?
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>>95940479

we have a justice system and due process and people shouldn't get killed for bullshit?
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>>95940479
Caps are a privilege, not a right.
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That's all the images from the project
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>>95940478
>>95940486
Hello poser my old friend.
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On one hand, the last thing that the comics industry needs on its hand is anything that could be construed as #ComicGate.

On the other hand, at least it's not D&C on the writing staff.
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>>95940495
No and no (this is confirmed).
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>>95940498
Muh clubfoot!
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>>95940537
Is it a web comic or do people buy it from their website?
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>>95939492
This guy thinks that immigrants sexually assaulting children is just something the right made up? Has he ever been to Sweden?
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>>95940580
I had no idea that immigrants alone molested children! I will have to rethink Clarissa.
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>>95940510
Its a fucking comic
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>>95940189

Yeah but fuck it, if CalExit can be a thing, then there's no reason Alt-Hero can't be a thing too. Maybe it will trigger some sort of moment of self-awareness by the people who shill partisan propaganda comics as to how silly their shit looks.

>>95940236

Yeah, it should have been a six-issue miniseries or something shorter, 12 issues is way too much.

>>95940249

I strongly suspect Dixon is going to back out in part because of shit like this. Vox Day is not particularly easy to work with. Part of the reason Rabid Puppies exist is that Vox didn't like the direction that Correia and friends were taking Sad Puppies and split off on his own.

>>95940449

Politics are a remarkably easy way to get people to throw money at your project.
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>>95940634
They don't do it alone, but the sure do it more.
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>>95939492
>Supporting Vox Day
>Being against politics in comics but be immediately fine with it if it's your political pandering
>Even /pol/ found it retarded
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>>95940534
It's too late, the left has already coined the term #comicsgate
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>>95940659
It's called playing by their rules. We don't want politics in comics but if we're forced to have it there may as well be some ideological diversity.
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>>95940580
>>95940634
>>95940652
Leftist white people (especially the women) are also complicit in this.
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This actually doesn't sound bad. Who the fuck is Vox Day though?
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a comics like this and even worse shit are released every week. these fags need to calm down
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>>95940716

An otherwise unremarkable genre fiction author who has built a cult following through /pol/-esque shenanigans.
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>>95940396
THIS

THE FUCKING AUTHOR IS JEWISH, NOT WHITE
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>>95940747
That's not actually a comic book cover. Deep in your soul, you knew this.
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>>95940747
Political comics have existed since the beginning of the medium.
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>>95940773
Yeah it is
https://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/comic/3452209/tremendous-trump-1
http://www.atomicempire.com/issues.aspx?title=19805&
https://forbiddenplanet.com/223030-tremendous-trump/
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Huh. Didn't know Chuck Dixon was such a fucking piece of shit.
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>>95940785
and they've all been shit
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>>95940773
I wish it was
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>>95940804
Never said they were good. Just said they existed forever.
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Christ
https://forbiddenplanet.com/232343-how-the-trump-stole-christmas/
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>>95940709
>I don't like shit
>Lets throw in a different kind of shit
This isnt solving anything
This isn't making the industry better
#comicgate would solve nothing
It'll just invite more outragefags who are nonreaders whose knowledge on comics from cherrypicked and outdated panels and issues taken without context along with e-celebs who can't keep out their bias when going through comics.
SJW shit was already falling apart thanks to low fucking sales.
E-Celebs don't get bad comics cancelled nor do they get underappreciated gems any attention
E-Celebs are fucking worthless
A comicgate is fucking worthless
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>>95940793
fake news.
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>>95940696
We honestly need this. Making smug comic """writers""" who make shit like squrrial girl and america chavez feel their not in control and that most of the industry hates them may make them actually quit, because right now in thier safe space they feel were a small minority and that they arent outnumbered.
>>95940711
I honestly dont understand why europe doesnt vet them before they come in. Why did they liberally let so many in?
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>>95940835
Since that worked so well for video games.
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>>95940796
>actually believing what some smut peddler says about based Chuck
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>>95940835
Someone might call them racists. Once someone calls you that in Europe it's game over.
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>>95940848
What's so based about Chuck? He made Bane, a one trick pony.
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>>95940796
In what way?
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>>95940835
>Making smug comic """writers""" who make shit like squrrial girl and america chavez feel their not in control and that most of the industry hates them may make them actually quit, because right now in thier safe space they feel were a small minority and that they arent outnumbered.

They leave due to their books not being successes.
Instead of bitching and moaning about Unbeatable Squirrel Girl, maybe someone could actually suggest an alternative to it so that gets attention instead.
Give them attention, lay out insults no matter how harmless, and they'll just act like martyrs and earn victim points
Comicgate wouldn't help
It'll make things worse
There's no scandal in a comicgate
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>>95940847
It did actually, it scared away alot of feminists and made it so companies cater to gamers instead of activists more
>>95940858
But why, its a fact that some of them are rapists. Why is europe so cucked compared to america?
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>>95940878
>I've never read Dixon's Bane
Bane has suffered from going from a calculating, intelligent, and tactical motherfucker to a DC version of Hulk.
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>>95940878
He also wrote some good Punisher comics and I heard his Robin was really good.
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>>95940906
It's not a fact. It's racist. You're racist. Game over.
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>>95940835
The only person who has a problem with Squirrel Girl is Diversity in Comics, because he can't wank to her. I'll bet he loves club foot Daisy Duke.
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Dixon adapted Clinton Cash into comic. I think I might pick it up
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>>95940189
guess that explains why marvel is complete trash and has been for the past few years then
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>>95940878
>>95940915
Dixon's Punisher is excellent, as is his Airboy, Winterworld, Seven Block, Car Warriors, Mad Dogs, Evangeline, and other non-superhero comics.

As a superhero comics writer though he's pretty middle-of-the-road at best.
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>>95940920
It is a fact you fucking moron. Look it up. Im not saying all muslims are rapists, but to say there all saints is fucking ignorant
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>TFW if Marvel does take significant damages retards will think Alt Hero did something
>Not Perlmutter drama, not the shit editorial, not the history of screwing fans over before SJWs
I bet these fags aren't even aware of DC Rebirth
I bet these idiots think that infamous 'Unsolicited Opinions on Israel" page is still revelant
I bet these vultures got offended by Green Arrow acting like a liberal
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>>95939492
>writing a new "white power" comic book
Cool, I love white power
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>>95940946
I can storytime a really shitty res
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>>95941002
Go ahead
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>>95940975
I bet they got offended by that one panel from Oz Effect part 1.
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>>95940975
>muh Perlmutter! I know the real story!
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>>95941033
>He hasn't read Marvel The Untold Story
>He isn't aware that the man's responsible for X-Men/F4 embargo
>He didn't notice the MCU fallout between him and Feige that reduced the Inhumans movie to a shitty show
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>>95939804
Milo brought back gay racists as in vogue
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>>95941023
Alright, it's still readable. I just have never found a higher resolution
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>>95941084
He's doing a lot for pedos too! He's the REAL Alt-Hero!
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>>95941025

That panel sucked though for a number of reasons, so that's a case of the broken clock being right twice a day.

>Superman handling mundane crimes with brute force
>Superman treating someone who is obviously brainwashed like his actions are his fault
>Superman equating a workplace shooting with African War crimes which are both equated to someone shooting a fucking rhino
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>>95940168
he's the Dan Jurgens of Batman
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>>95941156
The problem is that the immigrants weren't even said to be illegal yet everyone assumed they were because of shitty news sites
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>>95940906
>it scared away alot of feminists

Hardly. And now you have lootboxes to contend with.
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>>95941156
Still no reason to get uppity and offended about it.
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>>95941195
He wrote hundreds of issues of non-Batman comics, and most of them are good to great.
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>>95940237
How is Shaolin Cowboy, for example, propoganda? It tries to force people to become masters of chainsaw spearing?
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>>95941242
he's painfully mediocre and dull
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>>95939492
ITT: Bunch of asshats defend a comic written for a literal neo-nazi.
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>>95941258
Look at how it portrays white americans and you should also notice there are no black people in his big squalor illustrations
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>>95941258
Not that guy, but did you not read the new Shaolin Cowboy mini?

I do agree with you though. That guy is an idiot. Not everything is political.
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>>95941280
not at all

try reading something other than his Batman
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>>95941324
the guy making the comic is jewish
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>>95940457

So uh

I'm looking at this, how is this any different from any other somewhat edgy alt history "real society but not has super heroes and gubmints react"? What's specifically is rayciss about it?

It just looks... well it looks like a webcomic, frankly. With the same quality and writing. So, bad. But nothing stunningly offensive other than that. Is this another Orson Scott Card situation?
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>>95940399
People on both extremes are fucking retarded when it comes to falling for obvious scams like this just because that particular person says things that match their worldview.
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>>95940512
>Rebel
>Not Rebelle

ONE
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JOB
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>>95941385
Not even close. Card had homophobic remarks and shit, Dixon has done literally nothing than be a conservative working in the industry. He was even on Milo's podcast.
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>>95941355
Not the same guy, but any suggestions?
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>>95941422

Card gave money to anti-gay groups, idea being he's not just talk, no idea what/if Dixon has done.

but fucking Perlmutter is buddies with Trump so nowadays who knows
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>>95941470
Dixon is trying to get his Nazi card punched now.
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>>95941535
Doing what? Don't make such outrageous claims if you aren't going to back them up
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>>95941470
>Card gave money to anti-gay groups

They were just religious groups, who as far as I know, never said anything bad about the queers.
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>>95941422
>Card had homophobic remarks and shit

No he didn't. He just said marriage can only be between a man and a woman.
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>>95939492
Oh but when a liberal write about Calexit thay is okay, gotcha senpai.
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>>95940796

Dixon was one the guys behind Clinton Cash, a graphic novel hit piece against the Clintons.
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>>95941586
That's enough for the left, but he has said some pretty bad stuff about gays

>>95941598
More than that man, Google it
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>>95941620
>man with history of sympathetic gay characters in his books is somehow an evil bigot

You'll forgive me if I'm skeptical.
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>>95941600
Pretty sure I don't even know WTF Calexit is.
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>>95941653
https://www.glaad.org/cap/orson-scott-card
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>>95941669
>Calexit #1
>What if a fascist, autocratic President took over the United States? And what if that President lost California, the sixth largest economy on Earth, by nearly 2-to-1... a margin of almost 3 1/2 million votes? What if the day after that President took power, the largest mass demonstration in history occurred, and the state with the largest turnout was California. And then, the following week, two of the largest international airports in the world, California's LAX and SFO, were blockaded by protesters? What if California refused to be ruled? From the creators of YOUNG TERRORISTS, Matteo Pizzolo (GODKILLER) and Amancay Nahuelpan (CLANDESTINO), comes this tale of resisting oppression, punching Nazis, protecting each other, kicking ass, and demanding liberty for all.
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>>95941673
>homosexuality is a dysfunction

It is. This isn't an inflammatory statement.
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>>95941600

Hey I think we all made plenty of jokes about how dumb that was
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>>95941686
holy shit i'm a liberal and thats fucking awful
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>>95941433
Punisher
Airboy
Winterworld
War Man
Lawdog
Alien Legion
Seven Block
Evangeline
Rush City
The Black Terror
Mad Dogs
Moving Fortress
Alvar Mayor

There might be some other stuff as well.

The one thing you absolutely need to avoid though is his Moon Knight, which I think most people agree is crap.
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>>95941702
I am gay and I agree, but the left doesn't like hearing stuff like that. Lord forbid they have to think things logically. The fact that DC bent the knee to SJWs and stopped his Superman comic is stupid
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>>95941726
Guess what, you're not liberal anymore!
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>>95941726
Then you don't fit the modern definition of a Liberal you fascist bigot
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>>95941727
>The one thing you absolutely need to avoid though is his Moon Knight, which I think most people agree is crap.
He wrote the Trial of Marc Spector and the Spidey/Punisher/Moon Knight team up didn't he? Those are worth a look but otherwise I agree.
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>>95941741
>tfw I am technically a Liberal
>lose decade old friends for being against Clinton
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>>95940320
where the first atomic bomb was dropped on the order of Reichskanzler Jodl on Soviet territory in 1944, leading to the fall of the Soviet Union in 1956.
What happened in the 12 years between
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>>95940418
Worst invention ever. Dr. Gerald Aids with his fucking idea.
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>The problem, as you see it, is that in our current environment it is considered impolitic for a white man to lay waste to minorities, as the Punisher would have to if he were to take on a realistic cross-section of the criminal community.
Is this writer implying what I think is being implied?
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>>95941790

there's "aganist clinton" and "posting clinton cash online for free"
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>>95941833
What am I implying that you think I'm implying?
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>>95939492
>The writer of "The Punisher" will be writing a new "white power" comic book
I wonder if this will effect his current Bane mini at DC? It's still got 6 issues to go and DC have been fairly fair in hiring openly right wing people recently but if it's a legitimate white power comic then I don't think they'll be too happy.
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>>95941833
I think the key qualifier here is >As you see it

The writer is implying that this is what Dixon believes is happening, and that's bad.
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>>95941715
Well i am late, what are you going to do about it senpai?
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>>95941835
That's the same thing isn't it? It's exaggerated, but there's still truth to it. Besides, anon asked for it.

>>95941833
>>95941866
That minorities can be criminals too?

>>95941873
It's not a white power comic by any stretch of the imagination. It's an alt-right comicand for Liberals alt-right means Nazi.
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>>95941422
>Dixon has done literally nothing than be a conservative working in the industry

Well he did give that one Wall Street Journal interview few years back that soured a lot of people where he and another guy were bitching about how liberals were ruining comics because more realistic storytelling where there's moral ambiguity about how is right and who is wrong was bad, since it's not appropriate for kids tp read comics like that. Similarly he said you shouldn't do comics about AIDS. And this is the same guy who had Spoiler get pregnant as a teenager and then give the kid away. So, writing a story where a disease is talked about = bad, having underage unprotected sex and then avoiding responsibility by giving it up for adoption = okay.

He also has a long history about how he doesn't like gays appearing in comics, which is hilarious given how gay he has a habit of writing some characters, especially when he's trying to emphasize how straight they are. Connor Hawke being a prime example of this. And then there's that Grifter/Midnighter mini he wrote.
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>>95941880
If you read the linked article ( Dixon's words), that is precisely what he is saying. That it is bad that you can't show minorities being killed, at least because not doing so is unrealistic.
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>>95941894
Just sounds like a Conservative to me desu.
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>>95941912
Is that incorrect, though? Statistics, even when you remove /pol/ bait, suggest it is. I mean, whomever is doing it we know a LOT of black men are dying

>>95941917
>>95941894
>doesn't wanna talk about STD's
>is against the gays
>but secretly is super homo

yeah sounds like a conservative
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>>95941912
Those aren't Dixon's words, these are though
>“The whole conspiracy story, it’s an easy way around political correctness,” Chuck Dixon, a long-running writer on The Punisher series for Marvel, and one of the most prolific comic book writers of all time, told Task & Purpose. “Let’s face it, if Frank goes up against a drug cartel, he’s going to be killing Hispanics, or if he goes up against an urban street gang, he’s going to be killing African-Americans. They want to avoid that.”
>“There’s a way to deal with all this escapist stuff and navigate these minefields, but they only seem to know how to tread that line so it has a basis in reality, but there’s that fantasy element so nobody takes offense,” Dixon added.
>“The thing about The Punisher is that he fights crime we can all relate to — street crime, quality of life crime, and things like that,” Dixon said. “You know, like when you see criminals getting away, not getting caught, or the justice system fails and you see this in the news, it frustrates everybody, and The Punisher is like an answer — an escapist answer to that frustration.”
>“He would draw a line at killing a law enforcement officer, or someone in the United States military, it’s just not going to happen,” Dixon said. “That’s the one person Frank’s not going to shoot at. He would give up, he would surrender. This just doesn’t sound right.”
>“Frank’s not a dark conspiracy kind of guy,” Dixon said. “He kills the guy in front of him. He may work his way up the ladder of a drug cartel, or whatever, but he’s not concerned with the spider-web of shadowy figures working from the darkness.”
http://taskandpurpose.com/new-punisher-trailer-take-frank-castles-mission-one-step-far/
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>>95941894
sounds like the average conservative
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>>95941965
>“Let’s face it, if Frank goes up against a drug cartel, he’s going to be killing Hispanics, or if he goes up against an urban street gang, he’s going to be killing African-Americans. They want to avoid that.”

Is this not exactly what I said he was saying?
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>>95941727
Only thing I've read from that list is Airboy which I thought was pretty decent.
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>>95941993
I was merely posting what Dixon said rather than the OP saying what he said.
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>>95941889
>It's not a white power comic by any stretch of the imagination. It's an alt-right comicand for Liberals alt-right means Nazi.
Is it even alt-right though? The alt- could be because it's an alternative history scenario. And I don't doubt Vox chose the name to piss off liberals by getting them to jump to conclusions too. No one knows what alt-right means anyway.
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>>95941917

Giving a long interview to a big newspaper that consists of bitching about how liberals ruined comics while your entire argument is just "comics were better when the code was around and you couldn't write about certain things and the target audience was seven year old boys!" isn't exactly good form. There's way more constructive ways he could have argued about wanting more conservative perspective in comics. It made him sound like an angry old man mad over the fact it's not the 50s anymore.

It was also funny how he said Persepolis and Maus can't be considered to be either left or right wing leaning politically. Despite Persepolis in particular having a clear anti-fascist message to them, with the main character yearning for progressive liberal values that the Iranian government was suppressing.
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>>95942070
>No one knows what alt-right means anyway.
I keeping thinking I do until someone else comes in and is all "ACHTUALLY"
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>>95942070
no it's definitely alt-right

whatever that might mean
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>>95942070
Vox is pretty plain about what alt-right is, and it is plainly what supremacist:
https://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html
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>>95942094
>It made him sound like an angry old man mad over the fact it's not the 50s anymore.
you could've just said it made him sound like a conservative
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>>95942117
That should say "white supremacist."
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>>95941894
Half his dialogue between Oracle and Black Canary walked the line between regular conversation and flirting, leading the hilarious final issue of his run
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>>95939492
Holy shit this article is bad.

The stuff about Vox and the alt right is correct, but why did they try to tie it into the Vegas shooting? What a jaded, blatant, cynical attempt at clickbait. "The Punisher of Las Vegas", what the actual fuck?

Read this shit. Snip out these paragraphs:

Some kind of reasonable stuff, set up goes here

>Your comments came just as the events of Las Vegas forced Netflix to push back the premier date for their TV series out of respect for the dead, and Marvel to cancel a Punisher promotion at the New York Comic-Con. If that weren’t bad enough, Stephen Paddock’s body count was almost entirely white! Hath the creeping vine of political correctness now wrapped itself around the trigger fingers of our nation’s spree killers?

A bunch of stuff I ACTUALLY AGREE WITH goes here

>Which brings me back to Stephen Paddock, The Punisher of Las Vegas.
Chuck, with tragedies like Vegas certain to continue rolling across our great Nation, I would like to suggest that your creation for Alt-Hero be a hero who is truly politically incorrect, who will do the things that only the bravest person would do. This hero would be called “The Silencer”.

cont
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>>95941889

but it's like citing Dinesh D'Souza. even if there are like technically facts in it you aren't really right.
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>>95940320
Well, the art certainly sucks.

I don't care one way or the other about the politics. I'm just disappointed Dixon is throwing his career away on something this cheap-looking.
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>>95942192
>The Silencer’s weapon is a tube of Super Glue. His gimmick is that after a fictional American shooting spree, he travels around the country, finding every “law abiding” gun collector, hunter, sportsman and average Joe—the gatekeepers of the gun culture—and seals their lips shut so that just ONCE, instead of shooting their mouths off like the very weapons they worship, they would be unable to give voice to their hyper-stimulated sense of persecution, their castration fears, and their precious need to own every instrument of slaughter they can get their hands on, as well as every accessory to make them ten times as deadly.

>Instead, in silence they would be forced to consider their roles as customers, as fanboys, as gunfags, in propagating all of this unbelievable, unending carnage that is plaguing our country, the very insanity that YOUR cartoon Punisher wants to avenge. Because the real Frank Castle—soldier, son, good guy with a gun—lies dead on the Las Vegas strip, Chuck.

>If there is one criminal constituency being protected by the powers that be that has yet to face the music, a class that could benefit most from a politically incorrect kick in the balls, it is America’s law-abiding gun cult.
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>>95942209
>Vegas shooter used a gun that already couldn't be legally bought
>we need more gun control
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>>95941965
>He would draw a line at killing a law enforcement officer, or someone in the United States military, it’s just not going to happen

I'm guessing he means non-corrupt ones, as Dixon himself had Frank occasionally kill dirty cops and the like, including in Marvel Knights (the last the time he ever wrote the character, and one of the last things he wrote for Marvel).
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>>95939492
As obnoxious as this guy is, holy shit Dixon.

The motherfucker you're associating yourself with is a legitimate white supremacist. Not some guy idiots on Twitter labeled as such because they don't know what a white supremacist looks like outside their hug box. A legit fucking white supremacist Who knows what the fuck he's doing with that white hate symbol bullshit.

Jesus Christ I got into comics because of Dixon. This is legit kind of painful to see.
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>>95942239
>a gun
>a
and all of them were purchased legally
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>>95942209
>as gunfags
>gunfags

...f....fourchan?is that you?
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>>95942192
>The stuff about Vox and the alt right is correct

No it isn't. It's taken grossly out of context and follows the mainstream media line.
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>>95942261
the problem is we can't enforce the gun laws we have NOW because the ATF is underfunded, under-staffed, and HILARIOUSLY incompetent if not out and out corrupt. There's a reason gun owners hate them, even the law abiding legitimate ones. They're the definition of bunglers with no oversight.
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>>95942252
didn't Ennis write a Marvel Knights storyline where Frank refused to kill corrupt cops or am I mis-remembering
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>>95942191
It wasn't the last issue, but it was pretty gay
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>>95942315
>Canary's hand on Barbar's boob
>barbar putting her hand on Canary's ass/thigh

The artist knew what they were doing
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>>95941894
>Arachnaphobic? You mmust secretly want to fuck spiders.
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>>95942354
The artist can't be blamed 100%, because she even has a flirtatious "goodbye" on the next page.
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>>95941894
>He also has a long history about how he doesn't like gays appearing in comics

Or maybe he's okay with gay characters and just doesn't like them being used to push an agenda.
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>>95942359
>Me thinks the sir doth protest too much
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>>95939492
>Dixon is getting into bed with Vox Day
The longer I fucking live, more and more of the people I like turn out to be complete assholes.
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>>95942288
In what way? (Can't wait to hear THIS!)
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>>95942376
Take off the yuri goggles, anon.

>>95942389
>If you don't like x, you must be x

This is not a credible argument.
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>>95942395
Pipe down, faggot. Vox Day has done nothing as bad as the people in the industry who complain about him.
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>>95942376
that's not a very flirtacious goodbye. It's 100% the art
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>>95942420
not for lack of trying, mind you
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>>95942313
Yeah, I think Ennis for some reason never had Frank kill cops, even corrupt ones. It actually becomes a plot point in Aaron's MAX continuation.
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>>95942420
>Pipe down, faggot. Vox Day has done nothing as bad as the people in the industry who complain about him.
>Nothing as bad
How does him being a lesser asshole remove any of the bullshit he's pulled? Or shit he's said and done and the beliefs he holds?
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>>95942379

Nah, he has a pretty long track record about freaking out over gay characters in comics. Didn't he basically get blacklisted at Marvel over how he reacted to that gay Rawhide Kid comic?
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>>95942455
>any of the bullshit he's pulled?

Like what? Voting for authors he likes at the Hugo awards?
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>>95941535
And you're under informed or a liar - Vox may be unpalatable but he is neither a NAZI or a supporter of them. You can't substantiate that - so which is it lies or ignorance?
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>>95941385
>Along with "no one will support this" and "HAHAHAHAHA LMFAO", "the art sucks" has been one of the constant refrains of comic SJWs since they first became aware of AltHero a few days before the Freestartr launch. We had, of course, announced the project months before, but they simply hadn't paid it any heed until the first image of Rebel triggered them into a swarm.
>However, I do not subscribe to the genetic fallacy. The fact that malicious people of evil intent are seeking to discredit and disqualify the project does not necessarily mean that all of their criticism is invalid. Although I vastly prefer the AltHero artwork by Cliff Cosmic, and would be quite happy to proceed with the project on that basis, Castalia House has always taken an iterative approach to quality. This is occasionally a little disturbing to some of our readers, who would prefer that we try to get everything flawless at the start, but the reality is that we're still learning what we're doing. And since the art is not the very best in the industry, that means it can be improved.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-art-sucks.html
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>>95942460
He objected to Marvel doing such a cheap publicity stunt, which it was.
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>>95942474
>Like what? Voting for authors he likes at the Hugo awards?
Actually it would be more the constant racist he says.
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>>95942474
Vox is a notorious apologist for Anders Breivik, the Norweigan mass murderer.
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>>95939768
>based
you must be 18+ to post outside /pol/
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>>95942455

At the end of the day, VD only does three things:

1) promote award slates that favor his buddies
2) talk mad shit 24/7
3) put out otherwise forgettable genre fiction

Yes, he's an unpleasant individual, but it's not like he's the fucking spawn of satan here, neither are the people he bitches about. This is all just petty fandom drama, not a matter of life and death.
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>>95942515
He never justified the shootings. he only said that mass immigration is going to create more reactions like this.
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>>95942483
His "16 points" defining the Alt-Right paraphrases Mein Kampf (especially point 14)
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>We all underestimated how bad the convergence in comics had become; we had to actually see it in order to believe it. I suspect we may be similarly underestimating the degree to which the SJWs in comics are going to be triggered by the mere existence of Alt⭐Hero, let alone if it proves to be even remotely popular. This has the potential to make the response of the SF-SJWs to the Rabid Puppies look calm and measured by comparison.
>UPDATE: Judging by the initial response of SJWs on Twitter, which is about as calm as measured as a vampire's reaction to garlic-infused holy water, this is going to be even more triggering than I'd imagined.
>UPDATE: I have been reliably informed that they are not at all triggered. Not even a little bit. No, you see, they're all laughing. That's a new one....
>Meanwhile, SJWs on Twitter are shrieking in amygdala-stress about how no one will read Alt⭐Hero, no one cares about it, how they are Laughing Out Loud about it, and how it is utterly doomed to failure. This is a rather remarkable response considering that not only has it not been released yet, but we have not even launched the Freestartr campaign for it yet or released the video for the campaign.
>I promised you REEEEEEEES. Have I not delivered? Am I not kind?
http://voxday.blogspot.com/search/label/Alt-Hero

He thinks Kirby would have wanted to work with him
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>>95940145
>a guy who makes porn
please stop while you're retarded
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>>95942544
Jack did a lot of things for a quick paycheck.
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>>95942536
He often refers to Breivik as "Saint Breivik." Would you defend him if he referred to the Vegas shooter as "Saint Paddock"?
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>>95940320
> Captain EU choking Overwatch fans
cap was right
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>>95942559
>He often refers to Breivik as "Saint Breivik."

That's just edgy /pol/ humor.
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>>95942493
tl;dr, we know the art sucks.

Yes, the art sucks. I am not a SJW, the art is just webcomic tier. I didn't say it was intolerably awful like Squirrel girl, but it still sucks. I guess how "bad" it is is gonna depend on how they try to sell it, and how much it costs the consumer.

Ironic shitposting is still shitposting. Intentionally bad art is still bad art.
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>>95942539

And yet he's also disavowed actual neo-nazis like Andrew Anglin and friends, as well as contemporary national socialists like Greg Johnson. There was a big blowup on /pol/ about the kerfluffle. So while VD may be on the far right and have views putting him outside the overton window, calling him a "nazi" is a veritably false claim and gives VD a chance to look good.
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>>95940479
Then they get shot or arrested. Literally don't understand what you're REEing about.
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>>95942574
I work for a lot of corporate clients who like to use the word "edgy". It means "I have no idea what makes something edgy."
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>>95940973
This is the funniest fucking reply to that anon.
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>>95942579
Nazi is as Nazi does.
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>>95942534
>not a matter of life and death.
And who was making it a matter of life and death?

You just said yourself he's an asshole and you know what the post that set off this reply chain stated?
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>>95942594
Edgy means being deliberatly provacative to get a reaction, and it looks like he succeeded.
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He sounds like a fucking teenager
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>>95940512
> DAZ models
so it's Marvel by another name
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>>95940825
why split hairs anon
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>>95942613
By that standard, any unwiped asshole can wear the edgy crown.
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>>95942614
aw you left out him trying to claim his webcomic has better art than Jack Kirby
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>>95942117
>>95942146
vox is jewish, you fucking idiot, he's not even white
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>>95942639
They call Jack Kirby the "King" of comics. What does that make Vox?
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>>95941127
> publishers: Stephen K Bannon
kek
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>>95942655
a random peasant with delusions of grandeur
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>>95942667
He doesn't even read comics
He's a fucking nonreader who thought Faiza was actually Captain Britain until somebody corrected him on twitter
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>>95942559
breivik is also jewish, as is vox
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>>95942609

It doesn't work like that. It's remarkably easy for white nationalists and racists of multiple stripes and flavors to get positive reception by just demonstrably not being nazis. Acting like all racists are one specific flavor of racialist ideology doesn't help anyone.
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>>95942460
A lot of people flipped their shit over that, it was hilarious, especially since the comic itself was just a run of the mill Western story that had Rawhide acting dandy-ish and that's it.

Clarence Thomas was a huge fan of the character. I can only imagine his initial reaction to hearing about it.
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>>95942613
No, that's provocative.

Edgy, as it has come to mean in the common nomenclature, is any attitude that glorifies and revels in the provocative for it's own sake, or for the self aggrandisement of ones-self.
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>>95942633
>grammar error
>>95942679
Guy converted to Norse
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>>95942695
>Norse neo-paganism

the Asatru convention HATE Neo-Nazi's and their constant attempts to co-opt Thor, God of Bro's
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This reminds of when Gamergate was going on there were shitty games that were "pro Gamergate and anti SJW" that were still shitty games in the end
Vox isn't trying to create quality, he's trying to piss people off and instead people just laugh at it.
He's so dense that he thought people's laughter to Alt Hero meant that they were triggered
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>>95942544
Christ, can't go through this without cringing.
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Why are you guys so afraid of nazis? They haven't existed for decades
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>>95941106
When is The Onion gonna take it to the next level and make satirical political cartoons?
I can really imagine them making spoofs based on the concept of late 80's to mid 90's cartoons.
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>>95942420
>Vox Day has done nothing as bad as the people in the industry who complain about him.
How does that make him less of an asshole?

Vox Day is legitimately a complete ass. How does the fact that the people he regularly insults and demeans are also retarded change the fact that this guy is a actually a racist asshole?
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>>95942677
Oh great, so he's a regular traveller to this board? Someone posts that panel once a month, and leads to shitposting.
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>>95942733
...for your own safety, don't google "charlottesville va riots."
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>>95942743
>>95942420
>>95942395
Vox is immature as fuck
See >>95942544
He's the one kid who lost a game but keeps insisting he won.
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>>95941389
Tell me about it.
The more extreme on either end of the scale they are, the less likely are they to have common sense or using it.

It's directly linked for Gods sake.
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Which one /co/?
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>>95942817
pump and dump the right, marry the left
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>>95942817
Kamala.

Likes nerdy shit. And as cringy as she can be that enthusiasm is cute.
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>>95942801
What is directly linked?
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>>95942801
>tmw you realize there will never be a community for centrists that isn't completely lukewarm on political issues but also isn't batshit crazy and you get accused of "not caring" from both sides.
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>>95942756
the Charlottesville riots were a joke. There are totally Nazi's in America still, but that's not really a good example
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>>95942817
kamala
don't be a fucking retard your whole life kid
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>>95942685

I probably should try re-reading the mini. It wasn't any good at all from what I remembered, because it was so bombastic and dumb, but maybe it's got camp and kitsch value to it that I didn't recognize/appreciate when I was younger.
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>>95942685
>Clarence Thomas was a huge fan of the character
As a diehard liberal I keep coming back to disliking his politics but being pleasantly surprised by the man himself.
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>>95942817
The girl on the right: What the fuck is up with he right hand? She's got a deformed finger or sumthin'.
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>>95942712
>Neo-Nazi's and their constant attempts to co-opt Thor
they don't want Thor
they think avoiding Yud-Hey-Vov-Hey and His son will get them out of hell
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>>95942544
Yikes.
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>>95942817
Khan. How is this even a fucking question.

Just going by similar interests Im probably going to have not only more in common but more fun with Kamala. Is the one on the right even going to be even remotely willing to cosplay for fun?
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>>95942544
>He thinks Jakov Kurtzberg would have wanted to work with him
it's like this guy never read Judenhass by Dave Sim
oh who am I kidding, he never read anything
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Ms. Meme has a gross hook nose
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>>95942943
They're both kikes why wouldn't they work together?
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>>95942961
My God....ANOTHER inside job??
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>>95942817
real talk: the filename makes it obvious you're reposting from another website but you have no serious background reading comic books at all do you

Like, every time a roster of new characters comes up and we're asked "who goes and who stays" she's on the shortlist of "stays" against the rest of the shitty legacy characters but I'm guessing you're a tourist who'd never know this

Do you feel in charge, redditor
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>Be nonreading outragefag
>Don't read comics
>Don't know shit about the industry
>Decide to get involve not because you want to read comics or are curious about it but because of some political bullshit
>Pretend to know everything about comics and the comic industry when all your information stems from other nonreaders and some shitty Youtubers and journalists
>On average they only use examples to justify their frustration from panels and issues that date years ago and from cancelled titles
>Drama comes and you and your fellow nonreader outragefags consume discussion instead of actual readers
>Be gullible as fuck to false articles and information because you never read comics to begin with and just assume they are correct

OUT
GET OUT OF MY FUCKING HOBBY
I want these fuckers out.
I want all of these outrage seeking, nonreader pieces of shit out of my hobby
How do we end this shit /co/?
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>>95942990
We stop being love and start being more like /a/ used to be
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>>95942988
>real talk: the filename makes it obvious you're reposting from another website but you have no serious background reading comic books at all do you

I got it from VoxDay's blog
The context is that he says the right image is justified because the left image exists
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>>95943008
and we know the nigger doesn't read comic books because the worst thing about Kamala is that she's a filthy fucking inhuman which even we forgive her for
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>>95942990
If I may be so bold:
1) Link to my Chick Dixon article
2) Watch Dixon squirm as more of his real clients learn that he is working for an open Nazi
3) Dixon quits the project
4) Vox Day's waifu leaves him
5) Vox puts a gun in his mouth
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>>95943008
Why does he have to justify his comics? You fags should stop freaking out. People can make any type of comic they want
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>>95943034
He was trying to convince people that his comic's art wasn't "that bad"
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>>95942990
we can probably start by stop spoonfeeding people

and stop getting mad at dumb diversity stuff so outragefags stop thinking they have an audience/ally
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>>95943043
The problem is some spoonfeeding is necessary because people can be easily mislead by very old panels/non-canon pages, and then spread those around (like Vox Day and Captain Britain)
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>>95943008
The asstard is right, but for the wrong reasons.

Either way, alt-anything and forced diversity should just stop existing
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>>95943034
because he's insecure about the quality of his work
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>>95943043
>stop spoonfeeding people
spoonfeeding reminds them that shit like Whor's page about feminism is years old
spoonfeeding reminds idiots that Green Arrow has been a liberal for years
spoonfeeding shoves down the awareness that Sensational Comics issue with mansplaining happened years ago and is from a writer who doesn't work at DC anymore
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>>95942961
Anon, listen...I know it's hard, and i know it fucking sucks. But this is life, it's reality. People do fucked up stuff. Some guy murders a lady by running her over. A guy guns down country music fans from a hotel room. A dude guns down people in a theater. School kids are shot.

It sucks, but that's the world we live in and you need to face it and suck it up. We can't all pretend everything was an "inside job" to make ourselves feel better.
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>>95943042
Reminds me of the Shittywebcomics tumblr
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>>95943025
you guys call people nazis too often. no one gives a fuck anymore. It's not an insult or a scary label. I think some real nazi comics should be published. I would read them
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>>95943025
Link to the article?
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>>95943025
>1) Link to my Chick Dixon article
Jason, you're a whore whose entire career circles around pimping a little girl out to her dad and the delusion that you'll be remembered instead for Weapon Brown. You're a great cartoonist but a mediocre editorialist.

Go back to raping a fictional little girl for emo points and let us do our job.
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>>95942677

Wait, people got mad that Faiza might have become Captain Britain? Jesus Christ, what is wrong with people.
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>>95943097
>let us do our job.
what is our job, exactly?
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>>95943079
nothing in the post you quoted is untrue

show where "heather heyer" appears in the video

of course you can't because she doesn't

and the mayor of that dude's town really did release a public statement that he never actually lived there
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>>95943098
It's a popular /pol/bait image thanks to the whole immigration and refugee stuff in Europe
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>>95943089
>stop insulting my people
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>>95943089
"The greatest lie that Nazis ever told was that calling out Nazis no longer mattered."

-Keyser Soze
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>>95943089
>you guys
fuck off back to your own kind then
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>>95943093
At the top of the thread, Chief.
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>>95943107
I'm pretty sure I don't need to considering everyone's seen the vid about a thousand times, but if pretending boogeymen are responsible for these crimes helps you sleep better at night, then why not.
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>>95943122
now you're just baiting

I'm jewish and even I know that nazis don't actually exist anymore

it's not 1945, deal with it
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>>95943083
But Princess Highground has good art.
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>>95943097
"Go back to raping a fictional little girl for emo points and let us do our job."
(Dude's mad that I won't draw a Clarissa Rule 34 for him)
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>>95943135
she never appears in the video ever

you can't show a single frame of her getting hit by the car because she isn't in the video

you can see all the people that got hit by the car and she isn't one of them
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>>95943158
No one needs you for that chum
http://rule34.paheal.net/post/view/1906549
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>>95943128
Go back to where? What are you talking about?
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>>95939492
>alt-hero
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Shame that Youngbluth never read Punisher Max though, and is a gun-control moron. Kinda weakens his argument.
But Alt-hero, jesus, that is just totally pathetic.
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>>95943162
Alrighty, just like Scott Petterson didn't exist? Just like Sandy Hook was staged?

It must be a nice world you live in where everything can be explained by yelling "conspiracy!"
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>>95943173
Creepy. You found that way fast. How come I'm not getting royalties for that?
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>>95943193
I get Scott Peterson cause that's the dude who shot that church, right? The fuck does Sandy Hook have to do with anything though
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>>95943158
No one's mad at you about anything, I'm saying your essay's overdoing the smugness because that's what you learned growing up reading the same kind of editorial pieces I did.

One of the things that makes Medium cancerous is that it has so many tools for aggregating social media into a useful narrative but its users exclusively stick to using it for "Why I Was Wronged/In the Right" for pity points.

Be better than that. Or, you know, actually use your fucking cartooning skills to get the point across instead of treating them as beneath you when it comes to something that matters. THAT'S more offensive than how hamfisted you come across in parts here.

tl;dr: someone who actually agrees with you is taking you to the woodshed and it would behoove you to listen instead of you fulfilling a stereotype of a tie-smelling white-wine faggot.

Or you can act bemused and quote back portions of what I say as nonsense and learn nothing. Your call Jason.
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>>95943238
it's a semi-popular conspiracy theory that Sandy Hook was entirely staged as a false flag to take away muh guns
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>>95943193
>can't refute any of the points in the post you quoted
>"BETTER CHANGE THE SUBJECT"
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>>95943238
Because /pol/tards didn't find any pics of dead third graders to jack it to, they all screamed conspiracy and thought it was an inside job to take away guns.
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>>95943238
>The fuck does Sandy Hook have to do with anything though

Some people claim Sandy Hook was a false flag operation, he's drawing parallels with the claim that nobody died at Charlottesville.
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I didn't vote for trump, and I have no intention of reading this comic (and think it looks unbelievably retarded), but the guy who ranted on this is a fucking idiot.
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>>95943107
source from the mayor?
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>>95943254
>>95943274
>>95943279
TY for explaining anons, I only visit /pol/ rarely for North Korea threads.

all conspiracy theories root back to the same insecurity - people cannot accept that they are not safe and never will be safe, so they invent complex narratives to reinforce the idea that the world is not fundamentally chaotic. The very fact that either side needs someone to blame is evidence of this. One side screeches about gun control, one screeches about false flags.

Neither wants to face the truth that a single asshole obsessed with being famous forever can just walk into a school and slaughter dozens of innocent children and then get away with it by eating a bullet
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>>95943155
Yeah, that actually is true though.
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>>95943272
Read this man's words
>>95943296
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>>95943296
I guess it's just human nature to try and rationalize chaos and despair
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>>95943247
I'll go with the quoteback, Mitch. So, you tried to persuade me by calling me a "smug white-wine faggot who doesn't use his fucking skills." What I want to know id: How did you know I prefer white over red?
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>>95943343
>How did you know I prefer white over red
I know what I see in the mirror
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>>95943343
>liking white wine
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>>95943363
you uncultured swine
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>>95943363
you will not insult viognier again
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In all seriousness Dixon is a man who wields only words. If I were a skilled enough cartoonist I'd eviscerate him with my most honed weapons and leave the lectures to the privileged little whitebreads in my Rochester classroom. Boss Tweed was indifferent to editorials but fucking enraged at cartoons because they go right past reason to the amygdala. You should KNOW this.
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>>95943373
>>95943371
Wine tastes like the feet it was pressed by. Alchohol in general is a meme people lie to themselves about to look and feel mature, and because they need to drug themselves to distract from the gnawing emptiness of their lives
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>>95943403
You'll note that my article features a cartoon, and what's with the hate towards my students whom you know nothing about?
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>>95943409
>Alchohol in general is a meme people lie to themselves about to look and feel mature

well meme'd my fellow redditor
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LMAO. This moron tried to troll the blog and fundraising page by "just asking questions... shouldn't you give us a solid timeline?" Now he's weeping about Nazis, surprising nobody.

So anyway, I've read Vox's fiction, so I know it won't be propaganda crap. Story always comes first. It will also be neither boring nor predictable. Nibba has like a 150 IQ and shit.
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>>95943409
go away Randall
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>>95943439
He's only making this to piss off SJWs not to tell a good story.
The characters and plot are his blatant hamfisted political opinions
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>>95943439
go away, Vox
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>>95943420
Your article features a caricature straight out of a bad newspaper editorial page and then an ego masturbating word dump.

Do the work, or don't, but people will ignore what you wrote knowing you held out on what you were capable of. I have had art instructors like Barry Moser who are capable of incisive editorials and you my friend don't hold a candle to him. Play to your strengths and go for the gut instead of this mealy mouthed appeal to reason. You're a crude, nasty person and you're wasting your abilities pretending otherwise just so your peers will like you.
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>>95943420
Wait, that was you? I've seen subtler Ben Garrison cartoons.
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>>95943439
"I read his books... I know this won't be propaganda."

Try reading his BLOG, ace:


Q: How about doing what you did for S-F? Not a "message" comic at all. Just a darn good graphic novel, with solid traditional values. Excellent art, great story, clever dialogue, no spoofing and no obvious ideology beyond what comes naturally from the characters.

A (Vox):That's like saying that Captain America should just ignore the Cold War. It would be unnatural and ideological to pretend that rogue superheroes would be any less affected by social justice than all the rest of us.


Q: Given your description -and agreement that heavy political messaging is an ugly thing in any type of fiction - I think there's a danger that the project would be just as clunky as those of your opponents.'

A: Not as long as I am heading up the project. At a bare minimum, there won't be any lame monologues while kicking ass. You have to understand that the problem is not ideology; after all, saving the weak from the bad guys is an ideology. The problem is the insertion of an inappropriate ideology... as we know, the West is practically screaming for a real Alt-Knight and a real Captain Hammer.

"The latter's catchphrase, of course, will be "You have to go back!" Spoken as he subdues the illegal immigrant rapist and drops them off at the local ICE office."

--and--

"Villains:... an androgynous gender activist. The Samaritan, who smuggles third-worlders across borders. Captain Euro, who battles all the enemies of EU oppression."

...

(I can only imagine what screedy crap his novels are)
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>>95943439
>LMAO
You must be 18+ to post on 4chan.
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>>95943522
but captain america DID ignore the cold war

his comics have never been about any wars other than the original series in the 40s
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>>95943555
>but captain america DID ignore the cold war
I guess being frozen inside a block of ice for most of it was him being a coward
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>>95943560
well he did deliberately choose not to participate in the Vietnam War once he was unfrozen
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>>95943560
you are now aware that the Captain America comics ran non-stop from the 1940s to the present era
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>>95943499
Something you will need to learn about writing that Twitter won't teach you: nonconstructive criticism is easy to write and even easier to forget.
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>Which brings me back to Stephen Paddock, The Punisher of Las Vegas
>Everything about the Silencer
Good lord, rarely have I seen a relatively reasonable argument segue into utter ridiculousness as sharp as that.
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>>95940696
>>95940732
>Calynn Brooks is a thing
We're fucked.
Kill me now before this hobby gets swallowed by the cancer that is nonreader trash
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There's also this whore
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>>95943773
>>95943806
fucking kill me
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>>95941084
Racist trans when?
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>>95941222
I think games have gotten way worse than they used to be and i partly feel responsible because the second half of this year has been all ports of older games i played. fuck destiny and shadow of war.
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>>95943838
Already exists, hypocrisy is nonstop source for entertainment
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>>95943816
I can imagine /co/nrad, annoyed, battered, and pissed that his hobby is being flooded by nonreaders and controversy that could've been easily ignored and died quietly from pitiful sales and reception and confronting those two about bringing a comicgate when there was no need for one to begin with.
They simply reply with, "We're doing it /co/, we're saving the industry. No need to thank us."
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>>95943838
look at truscum. It's fun reading about how batshit insane people are.
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>>95943926
*easily prevented
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>>95943816
It's comics so it'll never gain actual traction.
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>>95943939
>Implying nonreader trash haven't already latched onto it just for the chance of SJW drama
Milo and Metokur think it'll happen
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>>95943939
regardless of whether it goes mainstream or not, it's still going to bring more non-readers to /co/ to shit up every comics thread

get ready for more people whining about Green Arrow being liberal, more people saying the Watchmen movie had a better ending, and more people whining in Mark Russell story times
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>>95943952
Who cares what those fags think. People just don't give a fuck.
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>>95943961
But it's the same people doing that. Same writing style even.
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>>95943978
and now there's going to be more
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>>95943816
>This is what comicgate fags see in E-Celebs/wannabe e-celebs
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>>95944035
I'm honestly surprised at how deep my disappointment can grow
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>>95944047
Odds of these guys turning on each other because comicgate has no actual clear attainable goal whatsoever?
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>>95944083
they'll probably just peter out on their own eventually if and when /co/ doesn't support them like /v/ did with Gamergate, depriving them of a centralized gathering place
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>>95939492
>we can't show Frank fighting crime cause minorities cause crime and killing minorities is problematic
>Paddock was Punisher of Las Vegas
>tries to get moral progressive highground, uses "gunfag" as an insult
This is bait level retardation.
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>>95944138
I'm waiting for them to get torn up for using gunfag

Once I slipped around a normie friend and said Write Fag and they went off on me for homophobia
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>>95940709
>tries to stop pandering to the left
>by pandering to fringe extremes of right
It's called shooting yourself in the foot and invalidating everything you stand for. Every good point that Chuck makes while talking to Milo (http://archive.is/DC1RM) is immediately invalidated in the eyes of a normie that hasn't developed strong views on it, by his association with openly racist alt-righters.
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>>95939492
I wasn't awere Chuck wasn't just conservative but a full raging member the alt-riech. Sad.
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>>95940785
I want a Red Sarah ongoing.
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>>95944189
>https://medium.com/@Death_Ray/an-open-letter-to-chuck-dixon-4551684b4158
The term is "Cutting your nose to spite your face"
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>>95939889
Fuck off. Dixon's writing is not worth talking about. This thread is much better.
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>grinding your teeth into dust because you can't stop obsessing over DRUMPF
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>>95942260
The motherfucker you're associating yourself with is a legitimate white supremacist

Except he's not and has been at the center of a flame war at gab initiated by actual white supremacists exactly because he's not.
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>>95945401
Why do people care whether or not he's a white supremacist? The only thing you should care about is whether his comics are good or not.
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>>95945444
Ask the guy who lied, not me.
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>>95939804
Tell that to his wife.
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>>95942260
Most of those points are pretty unobjectionable. Even the '14 words' is mostly objectionable because Nazis associate with it, the actual content of the words is not offensive. It's just unnecessary because I don't think white people are in much existential danger as a group, but intelligent people could disagree with me on that. Vox likes trolling the left so he threw that in there. Even the 15th point he lists is explicitly against any kind of supremacy.

The term alternative-right was invented by a Jewish paleoconservative, Paul Gottfried. It was meant to be an alternative to neoconservatism. Hillary's speech (which happened the day after Vox posted this) had the effect of making everyone see the alt-right as an exclusively neo-Nazi thing, which became a self-fulfilling prophecy because all the people who had previously associated with the term and were not neo-Nazis dropped it so as not to be associated with it. Generally hardcore /pol/ neo-Nazi types hate Vox Day because he's part Native American, because he criticizes Hitler and the Nazis, because he publishes and associates with Mike Cernovich who is married to an Indian, etc.
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>>95947371
Linked to the wrong post, meant to link to this:
>>95942117
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>>95942854
>>95942882
>>95942933
You do realise her twelve brother-cousins will stab you and then throw acid in her face for looking at her, right? Muslim girls dating non-muslims is *very* disapproved of, while Muslim men going after non-muslim girls is practically required.
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>>95940405
>>95940412
>>95940424
The art for this is awful. Getting good illustrators should have been priority #1 if they wanted this taken in any way seriously.

I'm guessing it's just a shallow cash-grab aimed at less discerning members of the alt-right.
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>>95947654

It's not awful, but it does look like it was rushed. Hopefully the final product looks better.
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>>95943926
>We did it, Patrick! We saved the city!
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>>95940405
>that lettering
Disgusting
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>>95943296

>Neither wants to face the truth that a single asshole obsessed with being famous forever can just walk into a school and slaughter dozens of innocent children and then get away with it by eating a bullet

Counterpoint: that's still speculation! It's been five years and we still don't know the shooter's motives. Conspiracy theories build up due to a lack of information as well- when the public doesn't know the whole truth, they try to fill in the blanks the best they can, because people hate the unknown. You can watch this play out in real time with the Las Vegas affair- the officials are being slow to go public with the facts, so /pol/acks and others are trying to put together what little pieces they have the best they can. The antidote to conspiratorial thinking, in my opinion, is to be as transparent as possible with information and allow for independent investigation.
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Uchhkkk. All this alt-right conversating made me have a dream about Milo. It was as gross as you'd expect.
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>>95943296
One side doesn't want to face the fact that these sorts of things DON'T happen in other countries... Canada for instance...and don't want to own up to the fact that it is simply about the guns.

Mass produce guns, mass produce ammo, give them to everyone, let the fun commence. This is not an equation that would stump Einstein.
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>>95949156
>is to be as transparent as possible with information and allow for independent investigation.
The world moved post-cold war and nobody expected the leftover secrecy to bite everyone in the ass. The whole privacy issue is fucked and for every problem you can name that would be solved by "transparency" there are at least three assholes that have a vested interest in naming a problem that requires obfuscation.
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>>95949282

These sort of things do happen in Canada though, one even happened earlier this year. They happen all over the world at their own rates. WaPo just had an article from a 538 writer talking about how social programs (eg: suicide prevention and DV crackdowns) are more effective at combating gun violence than gun control because they address the underlying motivation for the crimes rather than wage a losing battle against the means.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html

>>95949307

Yeah, but honestly, I can't think of who would have a vested interest in keeping the details of the Las Vegas investigation under wraps without going into conspiracy territory. Unless there is an accomplice of sorts that they're going after (which wouldn't be surprising, since McVeigh had an accomplice as well) then there's no reason to keep everything so tightly locked up. The government refuses to give us the facts but at the same time gets mad as hell when we try to work with the facts they gave us.
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>>95949418
You speak of not wasting time in Canada (say) fighting losing battles against the "means" of gun violence: guns. But Canada already HAS very restrictive gun laws, compared to the US,. That battle was fought and won FIRST.
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>>95939492
>a new "white power" comic book
How is it "white power" tho?

It looks cringe as fuck but I'm going to end up defending this shit if the alternative is to throw in with the mind-numbing view that anything vaguely traditional or conservative is the equivalent of Hitler.
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>>95949418
>Yeah, but honestly, I can't think of who would have a vested interest in keeping the details of the Las Vegas investigation under wraps without going into conspiracy territory.
Just a pro-secrecy policy in general. All public officials like having the ability to 'spin' the facts and that requires a little time to work. I'm not saying it's some sort of conspiracy, just the modern human condition.
One that needs to change.
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>>95949811
When the authors line up with fascist ideology, and are upfront about it, then it is safe to assume that what is being put forth is not a good-faith effort to rescue superheroes from PC, but to put its obnoxious opposite at the front of the line.
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>>95949714

Here's the thing- Canada didn't have an epidemic of mass shootings before they adopted restrictive gun legislation, so there's no evidence that the changed laws actually did anything. Mass shootings were remarkably rare back before Canada enacted their gun laws, and they continue to be remarkably rare today. So we can't really reasonably link gun laws to Canada's rate of mass shootings. It's the same with a lot of these countries anti-gun types like to tout as examples of gun control working- there weren't too many mass shootings to begin with, and there aren't too many afterwards, suggesting that there's no direct link between gun laws and mass shootings.
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>>95950661
I don't know if you know this, but mass shootings used to be rare in the United States too.
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>>95950661
And Canada is hardly the only Western nation with restrictive gun laws that also benefits from few mass shootings. England, Australia, Sweden... coincidence?
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>>95941702
In what way is it?
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>>95943467
>>95943426
Randall is an uppity faggot, but "broken clock" and all that.
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>>95942260
I'm pretty much in agreement with this. I really admire Dixon, and love a ton of his stuff, but I'm pretty horrified at this, since Vox Day is a pretty slimy white nationalist.
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>>95942288
Agreed. I know that Vox Day is really slimy and good at getting out of obvious "I'm a bad guy" situations, but he does not believe that racism exists, or that if it does it's a bad thing. He thinks racial purity is a good in and of itself, and so while he's technically a white nationalist rather than a white supremacist, "separate but equal" wasn't a thing in the 60s and it shouldn't be a thing now, whether it's BLM or the alt right pushing it.
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>>95950704

Yeah, and the incident that kickstarted the epidemic, Columbine, happened during the AWB, when American gun control was at its peak.

>>95950737

You're ignoring my point: these things were not common in those countries to begin with. So you can't say that a lack of mass shootings is tied to gun laws when there was never an epidemic of mass shootings there to begin with. Again, read the linked article I posted at >>95949418 it explains that point perfectly.
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But the American government, has indeed gone after Frank, and made conspiracies against him?
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>>95951208
I don't think "American gun control" has ever been remotely serious. The problem is now and alwatys has been the overabundance of guns, highpowered, and the ready availability of ammo.

I did address your point about massacres. I pointed out that America used to have far fewer in its past as well. The trend is rising, and it is a trend that feeds in on itself, because the psychology of those on the margins is affected with each new shooting.
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>>95951208
Gun absolutists use every trick in the book to distract from the issue of mass gun violence. They say "what about mental health? What about video games??" It is a bluff. The gun manufacturers and the cun cult work hand in glove to ensure that the norm is "any gun you want/any time you want/all the ammo you want". There is no different than cigarettes. The mass market allows for pure freedom of guns, and the lung cancer is the shootings.
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>>95951854
Invalid argument.

The constitution doesn't explicitly allow you to smoke in order to overthrow a tyrannical government, like the forefounders did.
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>>95951776

>The problem is now and alwatys has been the overabundance of guns, highpowered, and the ready availability of ammo.

Except the data doesn't show that. Your belief is just that, a belief built on conjecture and confirmation bias.

>>95951854

>The mass market allows for pure freedom of guns, and the lung cancer is the shootings.

If that was true, areas with heavy gun control like Chicago would be murder-free, while areas with lax gun laws like Vermont would be a violent free-for-all. But the reality is the opposite, suggesting that the deciding factor in gun violence isn't related to gun availability. If you map out the areas where gun violence is the most prominent and map out the areas where gun laws are the least restrictive, there isn't significant or meaningful overlap.
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>>95950219

If it's different than the radical leftist shit Marvel is shitting out, I'll read it merely on the basis of being a change of pace.
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>>95951992
The Constitution's first and last word on guns is that owning them is for the purpose for maintain a well-regulated militia, not for helping drunken gamblers go out in a blaze of hate.

I will also remind you that bump stock equipped AR-15 assualt rifles that can mow down a crowd in half a minute from a thousand yards away was about as far from the minds of the Founding Fathers, who, as flying to the moonse guns fired one piddling round an hour.
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>>95951992
Let's try that again:

The Constitution's first and last word on guns is that owning them is for the purpose of maintaining a well-regulated militia, not for helping drunken gamblers go out in a blaze of hate.

I will also remind you that bump stock equipped AR-15 assualt rifles that can mow down a crowd in half a minute from a thousand yards away was about as far from the minds of the Founding Fathers, whose guns fired one piddling round an hour, as flying to the moon was.
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>>95952076
>I will also remind you that bump stock equipped AR-15 assualt rifles that can mow down a crowd in half a minute from a thousand yards away was about as far from the minds of the Founding Fathers, who, as flying to the moonse guns fired one piddling round an hour.

It was actually completely in the mind of the forefathers, who didn't have a well-regulated militia, relied on inferior armaments to the British, and relied on the few French shipments that could get through the British privateer blockade.

The entire point of a "well regulated militia" is that if the federal government has tanks, the people should have tanks too. If they don't, then you have a gigantic bitch of time fighting a tyrannical government, like they did.
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>>95952065
then you're just part of the problem and should kill yourself
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>>95952033
>areas with heavy gun control like Chicago would be murder-free
the problem is areas around Chicago don't have as heavy gun control. Gun control only works if it's universal
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>>95952153
I'll remind you that owning a tank is not, in fact, the right of a Citizen. And if government tyranny ever arises, the people will already be overwhelmed by a trained army with automatic weapons and every other kind of advantage. Your AR-15s will be of no more help than a pump-action shotgun then.

If your argument is that citizens need to have the right to own weapons to at least disincentivize tyrnats, I agree, but no tyrant with an army at his back would fear the people with or without the most excessive amounts of firepower the public now possesses.
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>>95952247
>And if government tyranny ever arises, the people will already be overwhelmed by a trained army with automatic weapons and every other kind of advantage.

>dood the british have cannons and an armada and shit there's no way we could fight against that!

(((you)))
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>>95952287
Joos?
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Dixon Tracts when?
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>>95952121

>The Constitution's first and last word on guns is that owning them is for the purpose of maintaining a well-regulated militia

Except no SCOTUS decision has ever affirmed that. They consistently point out that the key phrase in the amendment is "shall not be infringed." So unless you think you understand the constitution better than the Supreme Court, you should probably drop that line.

>>95952199

So areas where gun violence isn't a problem need to be punished because a city several states over has a problem with gun violence? That sounds remarkably unfair as well as terribly inefficient. Indeed, it backs the general hypothesis that "gun control" isn't actually about solving gun crime, but rather about punishing a cultural/tribal outgroup. Surely there's a better solution that doesn't involve punishing people who have done nothing wrong, no?

>>95952247

This is a terrible argument because it shows no understanding of how asymmetrical/guerilla warfare works. You're not even remotely qualified to discuss this sort of matter because it's evident that you have no sort of education on the topic whatsoever.
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>>95952287
The gun cult keeps America at civil war levels of violence by selling the fraud that "we need all these guns to prevent a civil war." Pure genius.
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Welp, deleting all my Dixon written comics from my folder.
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>>95952364
>Except no SCOTUS decision has ever affirmed that. They consistently point out that the key phrase in the amendment is "shall not be infringed." So unless you think you understand the constitution better than the Supreme Court, you should probably drop that line.

SCOTUS: Nine people with nine different opinions who occasionally get 50% + 1 to agree to a single opinion. They aren't prophets, and everything they agree to today can be changed tomorrow.
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>>95952384

That brings up another interesting point: Why do you think violence in America is so high? Let's look past how we kill each other for a moment and question *why* we kill each other. What drives most gun violence in America?
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>>95941790
>>95941738
>gay
>fascist
Pick one.
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>>95952436

So then you're basically saying you think you know the Constitution better than nine lifelong legal scholars who have spent decades studying it. Don't you think that sounds incredibly silly? Why should I listen to what you have to say?
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>>95952364
>This is a terrible argument because it shows no understanding of how asymmetrical/guerilla warfare works. You're not even remotely qualified to discuss this sort of matter because it's evident that you have no sort of education on the topic whatsoever.

I am as fully briefed on the topic as any American. You are saying "we need gun laws to stay as they are so that we can mainatin the hallowed peace we have come to know and lo"(RING RING!)...Hello? What's that you say? My child has just been murdered along with all his classmates? Hold on, I'm making a pithy argument on 4Chan!
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>>95952494
The great thing about the 2nd Ammendment is that it is brief and to the point. Nine Constitutional scholars could each write a bible on the topic and, in the end, still arrive at the same argument I can make in one sentence: That Amendment is being abused."
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>>95952435
As a conservative who is deeply troubled by this move by Dixon towards the alt right, I'm curious which part of this project bothers you. I assume - but could be wrong - that you're more on the left side of the spectrum.
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>>95952518
>Hold on, I'm making a pithy argument on 4Chan!

Well that's ironic.
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>>95952451
What drives most gun violence in America is that getting a gun is extremely easy.
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>>95952518

I'm sorry, where in that was an actual argument? Like, what in that post is supposed to convince me that gun control is a good idea?

>>95952577

What about the people who arrive at a different conclusion, that the amendment is being used just fine? What about the people who say it's not being used enough? What makes you believe that your understanding of things is better than theirs?

>>95952624

Again, that's focusing on the *how* part of it. I'm talking about the *why*. Are you saying these criminals are shooting people just because they can?
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>>95952624
Okay. But what about the argument that if you got rid of all the guns, they would turn to knives and clubs? Or the argument that if the law abiding citizens lose the guns, sure, there would be fewer guns to go around, but most of them would now be in the hands of either the police who could abuse them, or criminals who don't care about the law anyway?
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>>95940320
Captain EU beating on commies and autist-righters alike?
Wasn't the EU (((turbosatan))) in their minds?
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>>95952708
>they would turn to knives and clubs
lot harder to kill 60 people and wound 300 more with a knife
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>>95952578
>REEEE YOU'RE A COMMIE
Running CCleaner now.
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>>95943025
>Chick Dixon
lol
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>>95952762
I'm really curious about whether it's the guns or the Vox Day thing that bothers you more.
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>>95952684
>Again, that's focusing on the *how* part of it. I'm talking about the *why*. Are you saying these criminals are shooting people just because they can?
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That's exactly what I am saying. Guns allow for a quick, cowardly approach to violence. As for "what kind of argument will it take to convince you", I'm not sure, The gun cult in this country is fine with violence the way it is. They think it is normal and, in the scope of the 2nd Amendment, healthy, a necessary downside of liberty.

I am saying they are wrong, and lazy. They fear losing their guns instead of building a new gun ownership culture, while at they same time they think that they are safer for living in the country as it is when the evidence is plain that we are all in a lot more danger than we need to be.
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>>95952624
Are you retarded? Does that mean putting a normal person in a room with a gun turns them into a homicidal maniac. Guns don't cause violence, people cause violence. Guns are just a tool that makes violence easier.
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>>95952762

He's very politely asking what bugs you so much. Why does that bug you?
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>>95952756
>lot harder to kill 60 people and wound 300 more with a knife

"Our top story: a man threw dozens of clubs at concert goes in Las Vegas today from his room on the 20th floor of the Mandalay hotel."
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>>95952684
>>95952804

You might have to actually spell it out for this retard, because his entire idea of "gun violence" stems from sensational news articles like the Las Vegas shooting and Columbine.
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>>95952807
>>95952804
Reminds me of that episode of Simpsons where Homer carries a gun around and uses it for everything. Weird how people actually see gun owners that way.
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>enjoy his Batman run in the 90s, get so happy when he writes Bane again
>hear about Clinton Cash
>OK, he needs the money, I understand
>teams up with a neo-Nazi
And so another piece of my childhood dies. I knew he was a conservative, but this...
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>>95952858
Looks like I was right:
>>95952841
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>>95952807
Guns are a product. Like all mass produced products, the seller needs them to be purchased in excess of the actual need. Once the market is flooded, they will be USED in excess of actual need. No one can deny that that is what is happening.
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>>95952804
>They fear losing their guns
Because without their guns, they're nothing. Just white trash.
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>>95952477
Hitler's brownshirts were overwhelmingly homosexual.
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>>95952919
This. Fascism has always been gay.
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>>95952908
>If you choose to own a gun you're white trash

I guess the women who buy them for protection from potential rapists are trash too, eh?
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>>95952949
Feminist trash, yes.
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>>95952902
What, are you saying that guns can actually compel people to use them for crime like Sauron's ring or some bullshit? The people that buy guns in excess are the ones LESS likely to use them for crime. Those types of people are hobbyists who had to jump through hoops a lot of times to get their hands on the guns, they aren't going to be compelled to preform mass shootings just because they have them.
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>>95952908
I don't own a gun, yet I can appreciate the culture.

They have a lot of history behind them. There's a lot of technological developments and distinctions involved with each type of firearm. There tends to be many different customization options for each one, which affects their performance. Shooting guns themselves is a sport all in itself, far more interesting than shit like "golf" or "curling".

I'm literally one of the people "without guns", but aren't such a massive faggot that I can't appreciate them.
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>>95952804

>That's exactly what I am saying

Then you're wrong. There are tons of other factors to add into the mix: poverty/desperation, domestic unhappiness, aggravated political/cultural anxiety, depression, etc. And like the WaPo article explains, treating these social ills is far more effective at reducing gun crime than gun control.

>The gun cult in this country is fine with violence the way it is. They think it is normal and, in the scope of the 2nd Amendment, healthy, a necessary downside of liberty.

People are willing to tolerate violence as a price to pay for their values. Like on the other side of the coin a rightie will post something like

>The diversity cult in this country is fine with violence the way it is. They think it is normal and, in the scope of the 1965 immigration act, healthy, a necessary downside of liberty.

And they'd be just as correct as your post, because it's the same thing: the out-group is willing to tolerate any violence that results from their policies as a reasonable price to pay for a greater good.

>They fear losing their guns instead of building a new gun ownership culture, while at they same time they think that they are safer for living in the country as it is when the evidence is plain that we are all in a lot more danger than we need to be.

I am not in any danger. I live in a nice suburb with virtually no gun violence of note, despite gun ownership being relatively high. I see no evidence that I'm in any sort of clear and present danger simply because my neighbors and I have guns in the house. For your argument to work, you have to convince me that I'm in danger. How do you do that when I feel that I'm not?
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>>95952989
>I want to be white trash
Give this man a green card, Donald.
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>>95952985
>What, are you saying that guns can actually compel people to use them for crime like Sauron's ring or some bullshit?

This is why gun grabbers are the only ones who shouldn't be allowed to own firearms. No sane person's first thought upon seeing a firearm is "I WONDER HOW MANY BABIES COULD BE GENOCIDED WITH THIS THING?!"
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>>95952908

That's really not going to help move along the gun control issue. Calling people trash and belittling them doesn't endear them to your side.
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>>95953046
Well, duh. White trash doesn't want to be reminded that they're white trash.
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>>95953073

So why do it then? What do you hope to accomplish?
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>>95953020
But I'm an American middle class citizen. What does your comment have to do with literally anything?

The only reason I don't own one is because I earn enough to live in a decent area, and would rather save up my money for graduate school before I invest in firearms.
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>>95953096
>>95953107
Because it makes you angry, Billy Clem.
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>>95953019
> the out-group is willing to tolerate any violence that results from their policies as a reasonable price to pay for a greater good
Exactly. These are the same type of faggots that think the first amendment should be restricted because it allows for things like racism and hate speech.
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>>95953122
But it doesn't make me angry, it merely makes me confused what you're trying to say.

It's an expensive hobby. Unless you own some kind of Fuddgun, ammunition is incredibly expensive, and not something you could regularly do without a decent income.
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>the alt-right doesn't have the balls to start their precious RAHOWA
>they prefer to shitpost instead
Cowards.
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>>95953149
>it doesn't make me angry
I know, white trash.
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>>95952985
The more guns sold, the more mass purchases that are tolerated, the more guns that will find their way into the wrong hands. Nutsos will steal them from Mommy and Daddy's collection, or a collector will just decide that today is the day to explode and take the world with him. If fewer people have access to fewer and fewer guns, and even better, a limited supply of highly taxed AMMO, you will see fewer massacres and fewer average gun crimes. The math is simple because the solution is correct.
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>>95952985
That's truly what liberals seem to think. There's that dude who got PTSD from just firing a gun last year, and then Terry Pratchett's novel "Men At Arms" treated the Gonne exactly like the One Ring.
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>>95953173
Oh. So you're someone who opposes gun control, but is deliberately acting like a retard who supports gun control to make gun control supporters look bad.

There's really no need for that.

Gun grabbers already look bad.

Between that and supporting illegal immigration, those two issues already cost democrats millions of votes without your falseflagging shenanigans.
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>>95953020
Guns are wonderful machines. So are cars. Cars belong on roads moving people, because that is their function. A gun's function is to kill. If too many people who ought not to be killed are, then the way we regulate guns is out of whack.
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>>95953250
>it doesn't make me angry
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>>95953176
>The more guns sold, the more mass purchases that are tolerated, the more guns that will find their way into the wrong hands.

Actually, the most guns are sold right after mass shootings, because the kneejerk response from leftists is "ban guns", usually by introducing a bill that would never have stopped the shooting in the first place.

If gun grabbers weren't so psychotic about taking away people's constitutionally protected rights, people wouldn't feel the need to buy firearms every time they try to do it.
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>>95953176

>The math is simple because the solution is correct.

Except earlier in the thread I posted an article from someone who crunches numbers for a living who decided that no, gun control is not the solution. Also, you're focusing on high-profile mass shootings, which are statistical outliers, each case being radically different than the next. The vast majority of gun crime is just petty crime with guns added into the mix.

>>95953250

Again, what makes you think that "too many" people are being killed by guns? What about the people who see the current number as acceptable? How do we define what number is "too many"?
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>>95953287
Actually, this is a hysterical overreaction by the gun cult, and demonstrably so since the will to actually regulate guns at the political level goes DOWN with each massacre.

The "gun grabbers" are on the right. They grab up every gun they can after a massacre out of sheer panic and thus flood the market with more guns for the upcoming slaughters.

How about a windfall profits tax on gun manufacturers after the next slaughter (in three-four months)?
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>>95953359
>three-four months
that's optimistic
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>>95953336
>Again, what makes you think that "too many" people are being killed by guns? What about the people who see the current number as acceptable? How do we define what number is "too many"?

Do I need to dignify that with a response?
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>>95953336
there clearly isn't a "too many" for gun owners, Sandy Hook proved that.
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>>95953359
>Actually, this is a hysterical overreaction by the gun cult

They're not a cult, and it's merely pattern recognition.

Leftists always try to introduce ineffective legislation to deprive legal citizens of basic rights when a mass shooting happens, and none of them would have ever prevented a mass shooting, because criminals don't care about following the law.
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>>95953359

Because taxes don't work like that. Seriously, do you understand how government works at all? Because it sounds like you're just having a knee-jerk reaction without any sort of actual information or education about the subject.

>>95953400

Yeah, actually. Like I said, people can rationalize violence as an acceptable price to pay for their principles. Look at Sadiq Khan talking about how terrorist attacks are "part and parcel" of living in a major multi-ethnic urban area. He and the pro-diversity left are willing to tolerate plenty of deaths caused by terrorism because their belief in a multi-ethnic society is too valuable to give up, no matter how many lives it saves.

>>95953417

Then why even bother fighting for gun control if you know it's a non-starter? Why not try to find solutions that are actually workable instead of this futile struggle against a culture that is entirely different than yours?
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The solution seems pretty obvious to me. Just make murder a felony. Felons aren't allowed to own guns, so if someone misuses a firearm, you take away their right to own firearms.
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>>95953493
I'm not in favor of the usual round of "ineffective legislation" at all. Take away bump sticks or keep 'em. Makes no difference. I am simply saying that the jig is up. Las Vegas changed me, and it made me realize that the average, law abiding gun owner is himself the biggest threat. He simply is unwilling to see the role he plays in the gun culture he is a part of.
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>>95953511
>Because taxes don't work like that. Seriously, do you understand how government works at all? Because it sounds like you're just having a knee-jerk reaction without any sort of actual information or education about the subject."

"Knee jerk reaction"? After so many of these massacres my cartilage is worn out, son! I don't think taxing the gun companies will "stop" anything, but it would be a nice punishment for all the grief they are causing you and me.
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>>95953511
Gun control has to begin with identifying the root of the problem: not guns, but gun owners themselves. They decided that this was the environment they wanted. They have given us the American gun culture. It sucks. It is unhealthy. They are smokers telling us to worship lung cancer.
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>>95953663

Amusingly enough, Pulse had a similar attitude towards me about pro-diversity liberals. Lefties had to choose between my people and Omar Mateen's people, and they'll chose Omar Mateen's people every time. Hell of a realization, isn't it? That we can rationalize all sorts of atrocities to uphold whatever it is we value.

>>95953706

But it's not actually feasible. It wouldn't fit in the tax code. Come up with an idea that can actually work, or just accept that this is going to keep happening.

>>95953748

So then what's your proposed solution? Eradicate all gun owners? This isn't a reasonable or workable line of thought you're going down.
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>>95953748
The problem isn't gun owners. The problem is criminals who murder with guns. But that's probably too individualistic for you.
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>>95953794
I don't understand who "your" people are or Omar Mateen's. No need to be cyptic.

Assuming you = gay, what a wonderful world we live in where gays are so liberated that they can pretend that it wasn't liberals who bought them their safe space outside of the closet. How does it feel to delude yourself that it was conservatives wanted you to be free to teach children, lead Boy Scout troops, serve openly and get married? I'm sure Jeff Sessions and Ray Moore fill you with excitement at more freedoms to come.

(That's a mighty tight blindfold you are wearing.)

An
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>>95953887
The problem IS gun owners. They feed the market, they set the norms, and I am tired of them telling me that Las Vegas, Sandy Hook and Aurora are the price of freedom. We CAN have a sensible interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, but first the gun cult needs a slap.
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>>95954094
Would you support a very severe immigration restriction to get a very severe gun restriction passed?
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>>95953663
>Las Vegas changed me, and it made me realize that the average, law abiding gun owner is himself the biggest threat.

He's obviously not a law abiding citizen if he's shooting up random civilians.

He should be charged with murder.
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>>95954047

Here's the thing- if I have to choose between a party that caters to people who want to restrict a few of my opportunities or a party that is willing to import people who want to kill me, I'm going to pick the former. And I'm not too worried about people like Pence and Moore, because they're being phased out. Peter Thiel getting to speak at the convention was a major coup, and Thiel is doing a lot behind the scenes in terms of working with Bannon (and formerly Milo until he fucked up) to help reform the party. So I see the GOP as a frontier I can colonize and make work for me, while the Dems as a party who insist I work for them while they turn the other cheek as their pet minorities slaughter me and other gays wholesale.

>>95954094

>but first the gun cult needs a slap.

And what's that slap going to be? What's your proposed line of action?
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>>95954158
don't delude yourself, conservatives want to restrict ALL of your opportunities, including your right to life. People like Milo and Thiel already deluded themselves enough to think that just because they act as lap dogs to the conservative establishment, they'll be spared or even liked.

It didn't work for Ernst Rohm, and it won't work for them/you
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>>95954094
>We CAN have a sensible interpretation of the 2nd Amendment

A sensible interpretation is "shall not be infringed". It's not vague, or has a double meaning, or the founding fathers secretly meant something else, or were so retarded that they couldn't dream of the possibility of better firearms being developed.

I think citizens should be required to own no less than 10 fully automatic assault rifles. If you want to reach a reasonable compromise, I'm willing to meet you halfway at owning 5.

But don't be surprised when 6 months later, I start asking that every citizen should own 20 guns, because that's how many you need to maintain a "well regulated militia".
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>>95954227

You could say the same thing about liberals obsession with flooding their own countries with Muslims. Half of the things liberals believe is punishable by death according to that cult.
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>>95954227
As a far right religious conservative, I do not think that gay people should be killed for being gay.
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>>95954227

You're comparing apples to oranges. Anti-gay sentiment in the GOP is on its way out as is anti-gay sentiment among white people across the country. Trump has said he's not going to make any effort to challenge gay marriage. Church membership is dropping like a rock among white people. Even Richard Spencer is willing to tolerate homosexuality. Major changes are occuring in the party, and they're changes that are for the better.

And even if what you're saying is true, why would that make me want to switch sides to a party that imports people from third-world shitholes where homosexuality is punishable by death, and then restricts my ownership of guns so I can't defend myself properly from said savages? If the thing with the GOP doesn't work out, I'm not going back to the Dems. After Orlando, they made it perfectly clear that they're willing to throw me under the bus to appease Muslims. I certainly won't forget that.
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>>95954349
Omar Mateen was an American conservative legal gun owner.
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>>95954446

His father was photographed at a Hillary Clinton rally. Likewise, he was a fundamentalist muslim. How is that "conservative" in any sort of American sense?
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>>95954508
I didn't sons were exact duplicates of fathers

and regardless of your feelings about them, Muslims have far more in common with the American religious right than with the left, they just are forced to ally with the left because the right pretty much hates them.
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>>95954158
It's absolutely charming that you think the right wing of the party is being phased out for an even more reactionary wing that is going to hug and kiss you. And why? Because they've found NEW scapegoats? Perhaps you have noticed how evergreen Jews are in the right wing conspirator's mind. Homos are never far behind.

So you cheer for a new right that doesn't try to force gays out of the Army but brooms transgenders? Way to protect your "people".

As for this argument that liberals are all about humping Muslims (because liberals LOVE conservative religions), it is the underdogs that the left sticks up for, which is why you can be out and proud and know that at least ONE party will always have your back. But you are paranoid about Muslim terrorism? Join the club. News flash: the Pulse massacre can happen anywhere. It just happened again in Vegas.
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>>95954581
>Perhaps you have noticed how evergreen Jews are in the right wing conspirator's mind.

The left hate jews too. They just refer to them as capitalists instead.
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>>95954614
You could've just said Israel and made the same point without sounding like a retard
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>>95954614
You've been reading too much D'Souza. I actually covered this myth after Charlottesville:
https://medium.com/@Death_Ray/see-no-evil-conservatisms-blind-spot-for-fascism-a55a5df226d
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>>95954664
go finish a Clarissa comic that you've been putting off for 5 years or something
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>>95954685
(I AM actually putting off one right now! I just love solving Captchas!)
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>>95954711
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>>95954581

>News flash: the Pulse massacre can happen anywhere. It just happened again in Vegas.

Are you referring to the theory that the massacre was the work of ISIS? Because otherwise, what you're suggesting makes no sense. I'm talking about the fact that the only people who currently target gays for death are Muslims, and given how the left is going berserk over Trump's travel ban, they're aiding and abetting Muslim terrorism.

At this point you're not presenting coherent arguments or workable policy. You're just screaming "RED TRIBE BAD, BLUE TRIBE GOOD" into the void over and over again. That doesn't solve anything. It doesn't accomplish anything. You're just spinning your wheels and getting angry on the internet because you're not setting achievable goals for yourself.

The thread is on its way to 404-ing, but before that happens, can you try to present one policy that will help prevent gun violence that actually has a chance of being put into action? I'll happily help you workshop it.
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>>95954556
No. Muslims have practically nothing in common with American conservatives, and are violently opposed to the actual beliefs of American liberals.

They only vote leftist because the left loves being genocided by them, as it's an inherently self-destructing ideology. What better way to check your privilege than being blown up by a "minority"?
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>>95954581
>So you cheer for a new right that doesn't try to force gays out of the Army but brooms transgenders? Way to protect your "people".

Transgenders are literally mentally ill. The military still requires psychological examinations, and being crazy enough to think you're a girl trapped in a guy's body who needs a few hundred thousand dollars of taxpayer money to chop off your dick only to develop an infected taint in a combat situation is fucking insanity.
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>>95954750
both recent attacks contributed to ISIS were carried out by native-born American citizens
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>>95954834
>trying to reach that hard
He was a Muslim, which means that his values were inherently incompatible with Western society. This delusion is calling Libyan immigrants "Tanned Germans" levels of insanity.
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>>95954834

The difference is that one was carried out by a mosque-attending Muslim and the other we still don't have an official motive for.

>>95954821

This too, actually. I don't think the military is a safe space for transgendered individuals, and them not being able to serve is probably better for their own good. Dysphoria is bad enough, adding on the additional stress of military life makes for a toxic combination.
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>>95954750
>Are you referring to the theory that the massacre was the work of ISIS? Because otherwise, what you're suggesting makes no sense.

I'm saying that The Pulse and Las Vegas were actually perpetrated by the same type of person with identical motives. Selfish, nihilistic psychos who tried to make themselves grand in the cheapest way possible. Because Omar was "Muslim", people look into his motives. No one asks if Paddock's attack was a political message against country music. He was white, we don't care.
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>>95954883
and what about all the Muslim immigrants and their children who have successfully integrated into American society and have never carried out a terrorist attack?




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