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At the DC in DC panel “The Aftermath: Battle & Trauma in Comics,” writer Tom King revealed a new upcoming project called Sanctuary about a place where DC heroes can go to deal with the trauma resulting from the violence they’re a part of on a regular basis.

“Every DC Comic is full of violence,” King explained at the panel. “It’s fun and exciting and I enjoy reading about that, but do we talk about the consequences of that, both on the characters and the readers, and they asked me to think about that and do something with it. And we are.”

“It’s called Sanctuary,” he continued. “We’re creating something where it’s sort of like a crisis center for superheroes. It’s gonna be DC-wide, all the superheroes, and it’s gonna be a place where these superheroes who are living violent lives every single day — Batman gets in a fight every single night, five times a night.”

“We’re creating a place superheroes can go that mimics the good work people are doing for veterans around the world,” King explained, “where they can have a space where they can actually admit that this violence has had consequences for them and has affected them mentally, so that your greatest heroes, who are inspiring our children, can say proudly: yes, I’ve had some mental difficulties, and yes, working with people has helped me through them. And we don’t hide behind that.”

King didn’t reveal when the project will be released, but it got a huge response from the crowd at the panel and on social media immediately afterward, so it looks like a lot of people will be anxiously awaiting more information. We’ll keep you posted.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/01/13/tom-king-announces-sanctuary-dc/
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I can't tell if this is satire or a cry for help
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>>98074094
Can't wait to read about superheroes crying about sad stuff and wallowing in self-pity. Get some help, Tom.
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>>98074160
>>98074213
These people probably thought John Steinbeck was a cuck.
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Sounds awesome honestly
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>>98074233
You're totally right anon, people with PTSD are fucking wimps.
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>>98074266
Anon, don't reply to these idiots
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>>98074094
this is an excellent idea for a series

that whole panel was pretty great
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DC = depressed characters
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My favorite superhero bit comes from Sandman, towards the end of it. Daniel just got kidnapped and the cops are at Lyta's apartment and the way they view being a superhero like an extreme hobby for yuppies like skydiving or rock climbing and that something that always something stuck out to me.
So yeah I like this premise.
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>>98074430
Make sense, Despair is a cosmic entity that's beyond Godhood.
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>>98074232
John Steinbeck was a cuck. After the success of Grapes of Wrath, he moved to New York and became a laughing stock trying to catch lightning in a bottle twice.
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>>98074094
>And we don’t hide behind that
Oh I'm sure the contents of these Very Special Episodes won't go out the window during the next big battle's splash page.
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Why is Tom King so far up his own ass? Everything he writes just reeks of desperation for critical approval.
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>>98074600
>he's trying to make good comics.
>what an asshole!
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>>98074632
He's trying to make critic-bait. There's a difference.

>>98074637
Ennis is actually a short Irishman trying to live vicariously through his protagonists, though.
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Has King been to therapy because I think he needs it
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>>98074637
>Jannies don't get sarcasm
I'm not surprised.
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King posted a picture of Harley and Booster Gold a few days ago.

It's probably for this, what with Harley being domestic violence victim and Booster Gold having his problems.
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Coming soon to a Best Comics of 2018 list near you
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>Kinghater still butthurt
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>>98074793
That's the ONLY way his Batman run isn't going to last
A HUNDRED FUCKING ISSUES
of crying
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>>98074094
I hope this sticks with a few characters and helps flesh them out, and isnt just a one and done cameo fest.
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which fun characters will he make suicidal now?
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>>98074793
You got a shit view of mental health m8.
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>>98074794
And then they fuck?
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>hey, what if superheroes did something that's standard practice in real-world law enforcement and military organizations and has been a thing in comics before
Of course idiots here would think this is some controversial suggestion. It would be more surprising if a setting like DC's, where heroes operate with the vague blessing of governments, didn't have allied health workers along with all their superscientists and prison guards.
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>>98075030
You get one AAARRRRGHHH session with J'onn and that's it.
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I told you /co/. I told you this guy uses comics as personal therapy.

I am not paying for your fucking therapy King
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>>98075020
>Booster
>Cheating on his husbando Ted
>Harley
>Cheating on her waifu Ivy

No
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>>98075061
Don't forget the therapist Batman makes all his sidekicks see who's really just him in disguise to further his training/gaslighting regimen.
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>>98075100
>Show me on the Batman doll the best way to incapacitate a mugger.
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>>98075078
>can't stop reading his comics
You need therapy.
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>>98075081
DEATH TO BOOSTLE
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>>98075081
>>Cheating on her waifu Ivy
Didn't Ivy thumb that up and then order breakfast for her?
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>>98074793
This
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>>98075247
Marvel never had any comic like that.
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Is there a link to the stream this got announced on?
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>>98075293
Can't let that get in the way of desperate shitposting.
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>>98074094
Jesus, the CIA fucked him up good
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>>98074094
I'm underwhelmed by Tom King's writing in general but this is a good idea for a comic.
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>>98075324
This is what happens when you kill children in some "shithole" country. Don't kill kids.
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>>98075347
It's a better book for someone like Peter David
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>>98074094
So, it's a Safe Space for Superheroes
Seriously what did happen to Tom in Iraq that broke him so much?
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>>98074094
Jesus Christ how shit is the military at dealing with ptsd this guy clearly has enough demons to fill a haunted house
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>>98074094
>nah, king's run on batman isn't heavy handed garbage they said
>nah, the way he handles batman doesn't make him too much of a mopey autist, it's in line with the character they said
>king is a good writer, they said
miller warned you all
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>>98075366
>enabled bachi bazi
>allowed kids to be blown up by a drone
>saw videos of US troops raping women and kids
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>>98074430
Is this from Agent of Asgard?
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>>98075415
Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #26
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>>98074430
Do people get satisfied reading this tumblr shit?
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I don't think you can base a whole big two comic around that. Therapy is way too much talking and sitting around to be interesting, and if you try to liven it up with flashback to the "traumatic" events they are there for you are kinda of abandoning the premiss and the "healing" thing. And how far can you even dig into big two characters outside of their own books before you hit a place with continuity so fucked up that you can't really describe anything concrete anymore?

You can do stuff like that though, and most regular comics should include more calm and introspective arcs/issues/stories that let the hero deal with their shit because it makes them feel more balanced. But it should be a part of their regular comic(s), because it's just not interesting enough to be it's own standalone comic, especially not if King is going to be as outdrawn as he tends to be.

Though there is a comic that does manage to pull off a similar premiss. It's called "Common Grounds" and is centred around a coffee chain that set out to be a neutral common ground for superhumans. It involves a lot of introspection and talks about the "dirty" parts of being a hero/villain, but it didn't set out to showcase therapy as such which means that it still contains a fair amount of action while showing how it has affected the characters. But I don't think King can do that.
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>>98075427
I thought that reading it forward it came across too forced for Ewing's work. But that's still miles above what I expect from USG, both in writing and art. Was it a guest team or something?
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This sounds as dumb as the griefporn that was Identity Crisis but you Kingfags are too delusional to see it.
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>>98074094
thank god Batman will finally get therapy
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>>98074094
Sounds like a good idea for a story but King needs to get some help himself.
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>>98075487
North wrote it but it's a "zine" issue full of guest artists including Jim Davis
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It doesn't sound like a series. Might be more like a one-off in books, a one-and-done story introducing Sanctuary in the context of Hero X and their line of work. After that, it will probably remain a setting to be used later on wherever writers see it fitting.
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>>98075478
>Therapy is way too much talking and sitting around to be interesting
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0835434/
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I guess his heart is in the right place, but fuck. Remember when comics were escapism? Remember that?
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>>98075499
Batman would no longer be viable as a concept if the character got therapy. Almost every aspect of Batman depends both literally and thematically on him suffering from an untreated mental illness.
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>>98075543
I'm honestly starting to believe I hallucinated the whole thing.
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>>98075487
from the same comic
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>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE comics shouldn't focus on things like that
>Comics should be more like Squirrel-Girl
>Comics should be escapism only
I guess Marvel was right in making 90% of their comics cutesy slice-of-life.
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How are you faggots all so fucked in the head you don't understand PTSD? How fucking sociopathically dead inside do you need to be to go "WOW, THIS GUY WHO WORKED FOR THE C.I.A. DOING WETWORK IN GODFORSAKEN COUNTRIES HAS EMOTIONAL BAGGAGE, HURR WHAT'S HIS PROBLEM?"

I don't get why you'd prefer reading comics written by someone who ISN'T using art to express their emotions, you're effectively saying 'Please just give me soulless pabulum that the author doesn't really care about."

I don't get why you're all so fucking determined to be macho that you can't even allow goddamned veterans of foreign wars the benefit of the doubt in assuming that if they're traumatized, it's because they saw some shit that would probably leave you catatonic, instead of going "HURR people who volunteer to do dangerous work in wartorn countries are such babies DURR"

If you believe in Hell, I'd be very worried about where you're gonna end up right about now.
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>>98075543
>Remember when comics were escapism?
all ages books just like the ones you read as a child still exist, anon
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>>98075590
>implying slice of life is escapism for guys
faggot,escapism means action, action, fucking hot babes and more action
also
>comics should be more like squirrel-girl
no one said that
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>>98075478
>tell me about what happened last week
>okay, doc, but it'll probably take four issues
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>>98075543
>Remember when comics were escapism? Remember that?
You mean the fucking 50s?

Besides, it's not like Sanctuary is going to "take the slot" of some other, lighthearted comic book, it exists entirely on its own. If you don't want to read about superheroes seeking therapy, at least it's not a goddamn line-wide crossover where EVERY book is being forced to do a "Sanctuary tie-in". You can keep escaping from reality if you really want to, but that's pretty unhealthy and you should seek therapy senpai.
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>>98075610
>no one said that
I just did>>98075570
>>98075588
>>98075603
>>98075623

North is a better writer than King
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Can someone explain how the rest of his books are depression festivals but somehow he was able to write Grayson?
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>>98074094
That actually sounds like a pretty good idea. We'll get some more personal stories about the characters.
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>>98075591
He can write it, but we don't have to like it. And after writing one and a half minis that featured it as a central theme plus one that seemed to be more focused on trauma in general it might be time for him to write about some other feeling.
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>>98075670
Dick makes him happy.
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This would have been a better use for Watchnen than Doomsday Clock, tbqh. I'd love to see an actual, well written story about Rorschach that would explore his trauma and how he deals with the violence of the world around him.
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>>98075610
>faggot,escapism means action, action, fucking hot babes and more action
I really hope you're just a teenager, because if you are, you'll grow out of that.

If you're not, congratulations, you're mentally arrested and are incapable of processing real emotions. Please KYS.
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The next book is a vertigo book starting his own OC king Tom and it’s just him crying in his room trying not to cut himself
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>>98074213
Wasn't this guy in the military or CIA or some shit? How is he such a crybaby?
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>>98075670
Grayson was only the way it was because Seeley happened to become co-writer purely by accident.
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>>98075396

>Jesus Christ how shit is the military at dealing with ptsd

"PTSD" as an accepted medical term is only a few decades old, anon, supplanting previous inconsistent terminology like "shell shock" or "battle fatigue". Only in the past century, and really post-Vietnam have strides been taken to actually help people suffering from it.
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>>98074094

>great writer does one run on Marvel
>immediately goes over to DC to do work on significantly less interesting characters

Why is this allowed?
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>>98075687
He's a writer, not a jukebox.
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>>98075670
King pretty much said Seeley helped him write happier things. Like they'd hand the script to each other to make sure they didn't forget anything and were on the same page and Seeley would remind him to not get depressing.
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>>98075716
He was in the CIA a pencil pusher who got people to infiltrate terrorist cells in the Middle East so he probably got a lot of people killed
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>>98075696
>tell someone to kill themselves over what cape comics they like
>thinks the other person is the mentally arrested one
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>>98075030
Fags on /co/ whine when an issue is just a hero beating up villains/monsters. That was what Snyder’s run was all about and the cucks here hated it. They also hate when writers try to do other shit like King exploring Batman’s mental health. /co/ just hates comics.
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>>98075738
>Impiyng Vision is a more interesting character than Nightwing, Kyle Rayner or Mr. Miracle and Big Barda
Vision only gimmick is "I'm a robot that can cry" and 99% of his stories are focused on that. What an amazing character.
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>>98075716
>T.Keyboard warrior
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>>98075360
Peter David hasn’t been good in years. His Scarlet Spider is mediocre.
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>>98074430
Didn’t Marvel they use this paneling before in that one spidey issue where Jameson’s second wife died?
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>>98075759
>"Take few day off. Me no word good. Good think bad."
Lad's fucking shook.
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>>98075397
>Batman being a mopey autist isn’t in-character
Batfags need to pull their heads out of their asses
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>>98075716
>WHY DO PEOPLE WHO SERVE THEIR COUNTRY HAVE PTSD?!
I dunno faglord, maybe because it's not easy having to kill people as part of your job if you're not dead on the inside. Yes I know as a 4channer, you take your psychopathy as a badge of pride, but take 4 seconds to think before you shit on the VAST majority of veterans who dealt with PTSD.

My goddamned grandfather fought at D-Day and he woke up with night terrors into his 80s. You don't know shit.
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>>98075843
Your grandpa doesn't write comic books meant for a wide audience
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>>98075730
And even then they've been pretty bad about recognizing their duty of care for soldiers and veterans when they're not actively deployed.
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>>98075801
But King's Vision was the exact opposite of that.

He's a robot that should have been crying, but was not.
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>>98075543
>Remember when comics were escapism? Remember that?
It’s more and more obvious /co/ is full of retarded casuals who don’t read comics or they only know comics through memes. DC is not a place totally devoid of any and all darkness or realism you faggots. And I’m not just talking about Batman.
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>>98075869
I'm pretty sure comics aren't meant for a wide audience.
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>>98075687
>but we don't have to like it.
>we
Speak for yourself and only yourself. You don’t have to buy it but throwing a bitchfit because it exists is stupid.
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>>98075869
But if you did you would mock him because funny books for kids are more important to you than actual people.
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Oh man I was gonna make a joke about how the "Trauma in comics" panel was just a stealth Tom King panel but I thought he was in NYC for the weekend so i didn't
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Why don't they chain Seeley to this fucker so he can write decent books that WONT make kids want to kill themselves
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>>98075849
Oh shut up nigger. No need to sperg out because King’s making a comic you don’t like.
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>>98075841
come on, king overdid it
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>>98075907
Most of the audience are pretty wide.
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>>98075891
I'm talking about the characters, not about King's story.

It's a fact that Vision's only gimmick as a character is being a crying faggot.
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>>98075956
Seeley is pretty handsome yes homo
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>>98075869
No, he came back to his country to work in the literal toilet factory in his hometown, which slowly killed him as they realized that inhaling porcelain dust for years was bad for your health.

So yeah, veterans get shit on by society as a whole.

I'm not surprised to see you fucks shitting on them too, but I'm still fucking mad about it. And you're still going to Hell for it.

I mean, what the fuck is wrong with you? Do you think that going "Hmmm, maybe getting in a life-or-death fight every day WOULDN'T be as cool as my Japanese mangas" would make you lose fucking machismo or nerd cred or something? What do you have to fucking LOSE by admitting that PTSD is a real debilitating mental ailment? Nothing, but you're still going to reflexively reply to me "no u" or some shit because god forbid you actually take inventory of the shit you're saying.

Did your grandfather serve?

Would YOU tell him that he's a "crybaby" who needed to "get over" the memory of his best friends viscerally dying in front of him?
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>>98075794
/Co/ Is a faggot circlejerk of hate desu
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Superheroes getting counseling is not a terrible idea. I could easily see some just wanting to talk about people they could have saved or how the fight just never ends. Obviously certain people shouldn’t show up, Wonder Woman crying because she killed a guy would make no sense. Add a scene where people try to drag Batman in for some comedy.
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>>98075983
Vision has tons of choices of stories.

Honestly he has more than Grayson, who's entire story is "I don't want to be in Bruce's shadow"
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>>98075966
We need more comics about heroes struggling to fit into their outfits and wearing puffy jackets after holidays.
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>>98075953
I wouldn't man. And I didn't mean to badmouth your grandfather.

I'm just worried that King probably isn't the best writer for this sorta thing - the guy shows serious signs of needing help. At the end of each book, there's no real resolution or growth to his problem. He just repeats it every single book. The topic is better for someone with actual battlefield experience who's also relatively well-grounded.
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>>98076002
I loved that episode of King of the Hill where the WW2 chad veterans constantly dunked on the Vietnam virgin veterans.
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>>98076002
>And you're still going to Hell for it.
pfft nice try hell isn't real dummy
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>>98076034
Hurr yeah, it sure it great how you can belittle my grandfather's experience because it doesn't match up with your funny cartoon.

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, as pappy would say.
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>>98076023
>Vision has tons of choices of stories.
Yeah.

>I'm crying because my sons are demon spawns
>I'm crying because my dick is synthetic
>I'm crying because my wife is fucking another guy in the same house I live with them
>I'm crying because my wife killed me

So many stories...
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>>98076002
This

People hate vets for no fucking reason. I think it's jealousy.
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>>98076020
Batman has Alfred and Leslie in his cast of helpers, so he's better equipped in the mental health area than many others even if he deliberately ignores their help.
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>>98076065
Isaac Asimov cry un The heaven for this
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>>98076020
>Wonder Woman crying because she killed a guy would make no sense.
With the poorly written sword and board Wonder Woman is doesn't, but with her proper characterization being forced to take a life should be a great tragedy. She loves everyone, Anon.
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>>98075100
We Venture Bros now
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>>98075360
Wouldnt it make more sense for this to come from someone with actual PTSD?
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>>98074094
HahahahhaHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>98075716
>guy who was in the military talks about PTSD, more at eleven
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>>98074094
This just reeks of DC Comics: Other M.

PTSD is a topic that should be avoided like the plague in fiction. It's never been handled well, ever.
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>>98075687
The dude had a panic attack and woke up in a hospital like right after he got Batman. If Morrison, Tarintino Ennis and Millar can mine similar themes in all there works why not this guy.

Besides, a superhero therpay comic us a novel and fresh idea.
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>>98076002
not him but
>9/11
>joined the army to protect Americans
>served in Afghanistan
>get PTSD and tinnitus coming back
>VA care stigmatizes mental health and they can't do anything for my hearing
>do a couple of months of bullshit physical therapy
>tfw stuck with PTSD and a ringing in my ear
>use my GI bill to study e. engineering
>have a hard time hearing the professors so I miss a lot of information
>get a disability-provided assistant to help me transcribe stuff that I can't hear
>this lead to rumors getting out that i was in the military (this was after the whole no weapons of mass destruction debacle)
>other students shit on me
>tell myself whatever i wont see them when i graduate
>get into an internship
>graduate
>can't find a job even with a service record

being a vet is suffering
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>>98076190
>Tom King
>getting PTSD from pushing pencils

>while other people are facing actual gunfire and IED explosions
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>>98075670
He said in the panel that Seely reminded him Dick was basically Bruce if he wasnt as fucked up.

Like he would do the whole "Crying a single tear while looking out a window at rain" thing and Seely would be like

"Dude, its dick, the whole point is he is well adjusted."
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>>98076129
Yep.
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>>98075955
I mean yeah he was the clear headliner.

The other guests were good too but he got the most questions.
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>>98074094
First they launch a ton of Marvel ripoffs just to rub it in Marvel's face.

Now they set out to do social commentary better than Marvel could hope to.

It's beautiful.
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>>98076278
I mean working intel can fuck you up too.
Like the fact peoples live and die based on what you type in a keyboard, having to read top level fucked up shit as a day job
My family knows ENGINEERS who came back fucked up because they were working on machines that did some pretty horrific things. Just because you arent pulling the trigger yourself doesnt mean it doesnt affect you.
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>>98076251
>superhero therapy comic

You could read the second Runaways run or the Zatanna minis in Seven Soldiers
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I just...I just personally don't give a shit, to be perfectly honest.

Maybe I'm jaded, but this doesn't even smack of "King being King" as much as it does of DC trying to fix a HUGE long-standing problem (i.e. the incredibly small comic readership) with more awkward, comic-hating bullshit. It's slightly less transparent than Marvel's attempts, I'll give them that, but it's still so annoying.
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>>98076252

>get PTSD and tinnitus coming back

That must have been one hell of a plane ride.
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>>98076444
How the hell is this "comic hating bullshit"

"Batman gettong therapy" as a story means you hate comics?
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>>98076252
>tfw my brother is in a similar situation
war was a mistake
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>>98076444
>Comic-hating bullshit.
That's so fucking dumb of you to say. Like when did this become about hating comics?
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>>98076494
>>98076507
Anything outside of the status quo not written by a british occultist is comic hating bullshit.
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>>98076502
But anon...WE GOT HIM!
MISSON ACCOMPLISHED!!!!
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>>98076541
This kek
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>>98076502
Not for Cheney and the corporations behind him.
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>>98074094
>Brubaker does it, gets praised
>King does it, everyone bitches
Fuck you /co/
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>>98076580
It's okay when Marvel does it.
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>>98076577
Cheney is the penguin done right.
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>>98076494
These are funny books about people in goofy costumes. Johns almost seemed to get it by blaming Moore for everything, but it looks like he and DC lost the plot somewhere.
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>>98076502
We won though, thank you for your service :^)

U S A U S A U S A
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This is a mini, right? I can't imagine something like this being an ongoing.
Honestly though, I'm interested in seeing how this turns out.
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>>98076604
You can always read Squirrel-Girl and Hellcat, my friend.
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>>98076604
>These are funny books about people in goofy costumes.
...but those same "funny books" are written deadly seriously 90% of the time. If you expect people to take the life-and-death struggle of Captain Wombat and Dr. Dick Cyclops seriously, the least you could do is show them grappling with the effects of waging war nonstop.
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>>98075843
King wasn't in the military, he's not a veteran, he was just a pencil pusher in the CIA.

Jack Kirby, Stan Lee, John Romita, Dick Ayers, Doug Murray, and Larry Hama all served and their comic stories were all diverse ,some good and some bad but they were different.

King on the other hand feels like a one trick pony, not to mention that if you read one of his stories (Grayson being the exception which he co-wrote) the protagonists start to blur into one another in terms of feelings and personality.

It's obvious he's depressed and he's channeling that into his stories which from a talented writer could be a good thing but on his end it's starting to get repetitive.

The same thing that happened with Bendis is going to happen with him, people will catch on and start getting bored with this shit.
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>>98076002
Ignore those fags, anon. Your grandpa did a brave thing, and although I personally don't agree with going to war, it takes a special kind of man to fight, come back and fight for the rest of their life.
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>>98076710
Thank you, anon.
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>>98075843
He was a desk jockey at the CIA, he didn't deal with IED
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>>98076014
As opposed to reddit that is a faggot circlejerk of wank and hivemind mentality, yet you choose this board.
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>>98076695
>King wasn't in the military
You don't have to be in the military to get PTSD, it affects police officers and EMTs.
It's all about stress and how your brain reacts to stimuli.
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>>98076755
>Implying /co/ isn't a hivemind
Try to criticize a story written by Al Ewing.
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>>98076690
By drawing attention to it, you draw attention to how utterly unrealistic and therefore unbelievable everything is. The working of the DC Universe fall apart on scrutiny.
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>>98076002
Vets are people. There are good and bad vets. Stop worshipping in absolutes.
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>>98076695
Best post.
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>>98076252
Almost the same thing happened with a friend except that in the end being in communications helped them get a job in the Colbert Report and now they're with Jimmy Fallon.
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>>98076811
Every fictional work falls apart on scrutiny.

Is it reason enough to only tell safe, cutesy stories?
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>>98076695
Dude 9-11 DISPATCHERS have crazy high ptsd rates just because their job requires HEARING fucked up shit all the time. Its to the point where in my city they had to mandate they cycle out shifts because they kept getting too fucked up to do their jobs.

Someone spending 10 hours a day processing intel in a war were that intel contains a shitton of war crimes is going to have some effects.
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>>98076781
King wasn't in the field, at all. That's like saying the administrative lady at the hospital or the janitor at the police station is affected by PTSD
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>>98076811
That is a pathetically stupid argument. By your logic no character should ever behave in a recognisably human way because that would just call attention to the fiction.
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>>98076851
>Every fictional work falls apart on scrutiny.
That's not accurate. But something that started out as entertainment for kids certainly does, and Moore was right, deconstruction was a mistake.
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>>98076252
Try more companies my man. I know a lot of places around here like to suck mil coc, they'll give literal war criminals a job
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>>98076863
>took the dispatcher test and did extremely well
Ummm should I turn that shit down.
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>>98076874
Well, police staff who handle certain materials are in fact paid special attention to with regard to their mental health, so I'm not sure what your point is.
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>>98076811
>you draw attention to how utterly unrealistic and therefore unbelievable everything is.
Not if you make it realistic and believable.
>The working of the DC Universe fall apart on scrutiny.
I disagree, if anything It deepens it. I don't see this as wanting to know who pumps Batman's tires but more like the seedy underside of superhero porn or seeing police forms Superheroes can fill to work better with the police.
Interesting ideas that build a neat fantasy universe.
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>>98076794
What are tou talking about? People shit on Ewing too, as a matter in fact in this thread right now people are both defending and shitting on King and at least here anons can't hide your posts.

>>98076781
You can get PTSD out of pretty much anything, I knew a kid that was afraid of dogs and fireworks because a dog bit him during a loud firework show.

And having PTSD won't make you a good writer.
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We all know this guy isn't going to explore violence and how it affects the mental health of different characters.

He's gonna use it to wank about being depressed and suicidal
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>>98076937
Whay was it about?
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>>98075716
Because people who have legitimately seen some shit no longer have a need to posture.
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>>98076882
The unbreakable rules of the universe (these stories must continue forever and ever every month with a familiar-feeling status quo) prevent any kind of "recognizably human" behavior.
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>>98076985
Why is that?
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>>98076989
LITERALLY all I said was that Tom King and DC have become an embarrassment.
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>>98076252
lol
sucks to suck
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>>98077011
He's done it for four books mate!
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>>98076999
oh please
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>I knew a kid that was afraid of dogs and fireworks because a dog bit him during a loud firework show.
What an amusing predicament.
Imagine being at someone's place at new year's eve
>The fireworks are going to start, we have to bring the dog in.
>DO NOT bring your dog in while I'm here.
>Then go outside.
>I CAN NOT go outside while the fireworks are out there.
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>>98076710
>humoring a killer
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>>98077014
So your shitpost got deleted and now you're violating the global rules by complaining about moderation.
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tbf you need a high iq to understand King comics
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I like talking-shop superhero books, and this seems like an interesting place to take that. I forget where it was, I think maybe that one web-fiction series about the girl who can control bugs, but there was a scene where a veteran superhero casually talking about how getting raped now and then was just one of the hazards of the job and you get numb to it. That struck me as insanely realistic and fucked up.
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>>98077029
As even Frank Miller says, a "realistic" Batman would be killed on his first night out. He certainly wouldn't be able to do what he does every single night for years on end into infinity.
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>>98076985
Exactly it's going to be romanticized depression and numale "feel bad about me" wank shit.

It's not going to be anything as interesting as pic related and honestly I am glad King isn't going to touch Superman as the star of a story because he finds him boring for being mentally healthy.
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>>98077067
Missing the point doesn't make you more convincing.
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>>98076695
>he's not a veteran
First of all, who are to say that? He was over there serving his country and even if he wasn't out there in the middle of ot he was still helping soldiers who were. Intelligence is needed, influence is needed.
>he was just a pencil pusher in the CIA.
That's still a dangerous high stress job. People are out to get you and ypu are out there to get people and that creates stress.
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>>98077014
>>98077079
I take this >>98076958 back, you can't talk bad about King here either, better cap my post before it disappears.
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>>98076917
I mean imagine all the most horrible things people would call 9-11 for.

Now imagine them screaming them to you from a phone, usually while the crisis or danger is ongoing.

Are you prepared to have a murder liveblogged to you?
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True
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>>98074094
So wait.....is it a new on-going book called Sanctuary or is Sanctuary just someplace that the heroes will visit in their own books? They keep calling it a "project" so I'm not sure.
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>>98076958
I get nam tier flashbacks around big gates because I fell off one and tore my liver open leading to 5 hours of internal bleeding with no painkillers.
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Forgot the pic
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>>98077027
He said he's going to work on a book about super hero violence and trauma and made it about only suicide and depression? What was that called?
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>>98077118
Did he served in the military? Is the CIA part of the military?
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>>98077247
For starters his current DC runs
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>>98077261
Well, it DID originate as the OSS in WW2, which was military, so... yes, kind of.
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Okay, guys, we get it, comic writers should never try to write things that aren't slice-of-life shit, it's not what /co/ wants!
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I would like to read him writing Jessica Cruz for an issue, just to see what happens.
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>>98077217
Damn that sucks anon.

>>98077031
Lol, they would go to Canada during New Years, but that would be a shitty situation.
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>>98077247
Omega Men, Vision, Batman, and Mr. Miracle all star the same lead character in different points of his life.
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>>98077309
She would mope for four issues, then her cousin Chaquito will shoot up some rival bangers and she'd go into fetal position and piss herself
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>>98077261
CIA Intellgence Operations, they bring it up in the panel and he's brought it up before.
>The Viceroy, who is the Citadel officer in charge of the Vega System, is taken from the worst parts of myself during my time in the CIA. It's hard to describe if you haven't been there, but there's a certain (and certainly sinister) energy you get from being the representative of a great empire in a far corner of the Earth. It's like a high. You sort of think you can change things. You can push on the world, and it will move, and if you push it in the right way, you're the hero of every story. The Viceroy is addicted to this energy. He thinks he understands the people of the Vega system better than they understand themselves; he knows what's good for them. I had that thought. I had it a lot. I'm not sure if I was always wrong. I'm not sure if being not sure about that is a good thing. So I put all this in him.

>And I relate that [Batman] a little bit to my C.I.A. stuff. Cause that’s what it’s like in the C.I.A. You want to get as close as you could to the horror without becoming the horror. And I tried to do that, and sometimes I didn’t do it right, and sometimes I slipped up, so I’m trying to bring that experience, of seeing the other side and both being empathetic to it, without being destroyed by it.

>King: I think what he just said is the most important advice, cause I’m kind of a dirge-y writer. I write books like Vision and Omega Men and they’re definitely written in a minor key, of like, what a tragedy life is. So I have to remind myself that, when I was a kid, I read comics for the heroes. And I think the most noble thing comics do is, they give someone who’s had a tough day five minutes away from that tough day. And they give someone an adrenaline rush and show them that, in the end, the good guys win.
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>>98074972
Pretty much all of them
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>>98077340
Holy shit i havent thought of it like that
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>>98075366
He did more fucked up shit in Eastern Europe
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>>98077334
I was scoring with the model at the time too.

Nothing sucks the fun out of getting to second base more than vomitting because your liver is leaking blood into your digestive system.
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>>98077289
Yeah but King wasn't alive back then and it's not considered part of the military (even the CIA makes that distinction in their website) so no.
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>>98077358
>that stuff about the viceroy

I am seriously concerned.
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>>98077364
Because it's bullshit.
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>>98077358
Errr I hope he's getting some help
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>>98077384
Jings, I thought fireworks dog guy had a bad day.
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>>98077309
King would seem like a natural fit to write Simon and Jessica. You get the war on terror and PTSD right there.
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>>98077358
>“[Writing Sheriff] was not how I wanted to spend my days, being back in those memories,” he said. “PTSD is a weird thing where it can do two things to you and do it simultaneously. They always show one side of it on TV. You know, ‘I’m so ashamed of what I did,’ or, ‘Something bad happened to me. It brings back these memories of fear.’ But PTSD also does this other thing where it’s, like, when I was there and I was in danger, but I was also happy because I had a simple goal. Now I’m back here and I’m with my family and I don’t know what’s good and what’s bad. I feel bad and guilty at the same time, like I want to be there and I don’t want to be there.”

He repeated this in the panel, media shows the cartoonish "see a fan and get helicopter flash backs and kill someone" when its a lot more insidious, he talks about missing the high of feeling like a Hero or God, of changing the history of world with your actions or how at times he questions his own reality because he doesnt know if something really is fucked up or if its his ptsd cropping up.

The whole first issue on Mr Miracle was autobiographic. He had a panic attack, woke up in the hospitak with his wife and then saw a world get more and more dark , and wrong and wandered if it was real or just in his head.
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>>98077358
>>98077459
But why does this make him a bad writer?
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>>98077395
>Watching other human beings getting blown apart and sometimes being the one making that happen only affects you if you're weak
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>>98077393
Depending on the type of intel he handled I can see how a major "playing god" effect would kick in. Whether people libed or died could depend on your paperwork.
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>>98077433
Funny enough it healed itself like a paper cut, I just needed to be morphened up so I would stop writhing in un imaginable agony.

3 days and I was out.

Also 150 pills of Oxycotin because jesus christ america
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>>98077459
>>98077491
Isn't this alsobliterally from The Punisher? Is Tom King living netflix's the Punisher in real life?
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>>98077526
I mean I dont think he pulled triggers. Like he said he was more a viceroy type, human lives as chess pieces and all that.
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>>98077524
We gonna get you high boy so we can arrest for getting high boy and then you gonna pay us to when you nearly OD and have to go to the ER boy.
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>>98076695
He could stall be a pencil pusher but he did go to Bagdad.
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>>98077358
I lnow there was a writer who said he ended up killing what look like an 18 year old Nazi because the Nazi stumbled on him by accident and he was going to run. He said he felt bad and it haunted him but his platoom and his missiom came first.

I know it wasn't Kirby because Kirby had no remorse about killing Nazis.
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>>98077539
So like Agent orange from Netflix's the punisher.
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>>98077539
>“I think it’s like any work environment,” said King. “I think the thing that’s most surprising is that the young people in their 20s do all the work, and that the people who are older are doing a lot of management of HR and stuff like that. Like, in the movies, you always see the head of CIA, and he’s down in the street, doing all these clandestine meetings and stuff. No, that’s like seven levels higher up from what’s actually being done.” He continues: “I remember I worked in the ops room, you know, like Tom Clancy’s ops room. It was during the Iraq War. ‘This is going to be amazing, I’m working in an ops room.’ And it’s mostly just dudes watching CNN trying to get through the night. The work gets done, but it’s not what you think it is.”
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>>98077558
You mean Jack "burnin' every german" Kirby?
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>>98077573
I was a civilian in the military and I can confirm.

Its like a cubicle farm with cofee pots and desk jockees but its behind a titanium sealed locked, phones arent allowed in and you are surrounded by superweapons.

Imagine Office Space but whats on those files are bomb and planes that kill thousands.

Shits fucked up senpai.
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>>98076937
>>98077395
Why are posts getting deleted? It's just a Tom King discussion JFC
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>>98077542
Its funny because due to dea bullshit it took me a weak to even get it filed and by then the pain was gone so now I'm a black 20 year old in baltimore with hundreds of dollars worth of hard drugs and no use for them.
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>>98074094
Honestly, I feel like this would work a lot better for Marvel's young heroes rather than DC's heroes. You could have Dani Moonstar or Trauma, perhaps even Emma Frost talking to the kids and trying to help them through their problems.

Mainly you could have the idea of these young heroes who have watched their friends die and experience horrifying things. Hell, the New X-Men/The Initiative kids alone would be enough to keep the book going for quite a while. Add the 2000s era kids then you would have a very interesting book.

I mean think about it. Imagine having Gravity, Surge, Hellion, Cloud 9, Eli and Hazmat talk about their issues. It would be a very interesting comic, rich with story potential.

Seriously, why isn't Marvel doing this? Thought this would be right up their "Look at us we are so progressive alley".
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>>98077619
Thousands? What was it, a holiday weekend?
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>>98077679
Holy shit, is Gravity still around? I thought for sure he would be a mass casualty in some shitty summer event, or faded away into obscurity.
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>>98077679

man I really want a Tom King Cyclops book now, fuck
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>>98077679
>Honestly, I feel like this would work a lot better for Marvel's young heroes rather than DC's heroes
"I'm triggered because everyone in my team is gay".
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>>98077725
He's only around in the sense that people forgot about him.
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Will there be veggie trays at group therapy?
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>>98077679
Marvel lost Tom King the momemt DC offered Batman but yeah maybe his type of writing would serve Marvel better.
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>>98077679
Because Marvel's brand of Progressive is incredibly safe. Outside of the occasional confrontation with bigotry that will inevitably end up with the hero winning out the biggest issue someone has had to face is Robbie raising his disabled brother while possibly trapped forever in the rough part of LA. They dont have the guts to actually delve into serious issues like mental health in a way that isnt dethroned for their easily 'triggered' (I know thats a culture war thing to say, but its the best term for it) target demographic.
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>>98075366
Most likely he got a lot of men, won and children killed while sitting comfortably on a desk honestly how many comic writers can say they killed people and get away with it?
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>>98077679
>>98077767
It's like you guys forgot all about the british invasion and that period when vertigo was doing comics about DC capes.
Animal man?
Black orchid?
Starman which is what current marvel wishes it was?
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>>98077765
Yes because meat is opressive.

>>98077713
>God gave his son Scott Free to the devil
>Scott is Tom King's self insert
Maked sense now.
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>>98077381
What he do there?
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>>98077794

well a shit ton of golden/silver age dudes served in ww2
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>>98077644
Well, for one thing, those posts are against the site rules.
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>>98077397
It's true though. Omega Man stars the depressed bachelor getting his first big taste of trauma, Batman stars the broken man getting engaged to another broken woman, Mr. Miracle is about their depression-tinged honeymoon period followed by bittersweet joy of an expected pregnancy, and finally Vision has the damaged hero and his wife semi-retired in suburbia with teenage children.
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An ex-marine with PTSD won Survivor last month, made me want to read a comic about it but I couldn't find one, the arrival of this news is timely for me.
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>>98077725
Yeah... Still around. Surprisingly not dead, at least yet. I think that would be a fascinating idea to write. The idea that a hero is still waiting for this "Big moment" to come, yet nothing has happened. Every time it looks like his life is going to go on track, it falls apart.

>>98077735
I feel like that would probably be really good, but really fucking depressing. Mainly because I can really see King channeling his war experience through Scott, as it really works.

>>98077737
"And that is more important than everyone being dead."

>>98077767
Yeah. His Batman has its ups and downs, but I honestly feel like if King wrote a X-Men or X-force book, it probably would be one of the most highly regarded runs in comic book history. Whether or not it would be good for his mental health.

>>98077787
I know and it pisses me off. Playing safe when trying to progressive is aggravating. I mean, there is a reason that Claremont's book is so well loved. It took a ton of risks with its characters and stories. Hell, Young Animal and Deathstroke does progressive shit better than Marvel at the moment

>>98077809
Haven't forgotten, just thought that there is more at Marvel he can work with.
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>>98077872
I don't believe you anon, why don't you videotape yourself getting the shit beat out of you, play it back every day for a few years, then make another tape telling us about how great you're feeling.
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>>98077872
Go shitpost on a less heavily moderated thread.
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>>98074094
Come on. King can only write one character and that’s himself as a self-insert.

They should call him Tom:King of the SSRIs.
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>>98077890
>>98077905
>>98077907
leave the fucking bait be
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>>98077907
>be soldier
>your job is to kill people
>kill people
>waahhhh I am so sad
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>>98077872
>My opinion is right, a century's worth of medical professionals are wrong.
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>>98075570
he doesnt make a hole at the bottom before opening the can?
is this next level? or shitty art?
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So how long until the Snowflake series?
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>>98077619
>I was a civilian in the military and I can confirm.
Similar here, with respect to policy shit and some later forays into political shit. They shunt a bunch of people in their 20s into a room and give them enough orders to make everyone feel like decisions are all top-down, but after a while there's this high where all us kids realize that we're "making a difference" and determining the course of societies, only for that to slip into a fucked up mentality once people begin to see the effects of their work.

tl;dr Shit's fucked up senpai
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>>98077963
Didn’t he join post 9/11 or something and ended up dealing with the mortally corrupted clusterfuck war on terror
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>>98078029
I don't think anyone's talking about Harper's ongoing.
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>>98078099
Maybe for soldier from WW I but today's soldiers are going to war willingly so it's illogical to get PTSD
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>>98077809
Please King's writing is not at thise levels of good and even at his wankiest Morrison did not romanticized depression or used it as a tool to make himself more interesting.

And Robinson when he wrote shit like that he made you see that characters were pieces of shit when they did awful things, even when he made you sympathize with them, they were flawed (hell how are Scott and Barda flawed when written by King? Admittedly Scott really didn't have much of a personality to begin with).

Hell Airboy or whatever is bad but when Robinson showed his depression it showed us how ugly it made him (because like it or not depression is ugly and it also affects those around you in awful ways).

King has Virginia (who has depression) do awful shit in the comic but he never paints her in a bad light, he even had Vision try to kill Victor only for Virginia to absolve him of the burden, the narrative even paints them as wholly tragic more than anything. The Avengers are shown as being antagonists in the story and Victor's death is blamed on them.


I dunno but from King I always get a "I did horrible things that I regret but feel bad for me" and "I am so sad and complicated" and the few stories he has done where he breaks from thay mold or does much more have actually been more interesting for me.
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>>98074094
What kind of double faggot spoils the link?
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>>98078165
>it's illogical
>something involving emotions and requiring actual empathy gets dismissed by anon for being "illogical"
Spotted the autist.
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>>98078193
Stop responding to such pathetic bait.
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>>98078165
At the start all the WW1 soldiers from the UK were volunteers. And fucktons of them came back with shell shock. Even if you go willingly its very much a possibility that you arent prepared for what war actually is like.
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King joined after 9/11 I dunno why people are yelling about Clinton itt
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>>98076695
>Jack Kirby literally killed people while on scout duty
>Wrote large, inspiring epics about god people

>King gets sad because he realized the body count of sending robot planes to kill people
>Takes those same god people Kirby wrote and make Kirby’s escapist artist a self cutter and his warrior prince a tyrant.
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>>98078200
What makes you think he doesn't unironically believe that shit? I've seen so much heinous shit I don't fucking think anybody's trolling anymore unless they're deliberately evoking old greentext memes. You're all a bunch of broken shitlords who unironically defend child molestation and/or the Holocaust.
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>>98078229
Complaining about moderation and using standard garbage language outside /b/ are both against the rules. The fact that the rules are rarely enforced doesn't mean they don't exist.
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>>98078219
So this is even dumber
Did he really believe in WMD? fucking hell
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>>98078185
>even at his wankiest Morrison did not romanticized depression
Crazy jane.
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>>98078301
When did he actually join? I know a lot of people here are too young to remember, but 9/11 didn't immediately lead to invading Iraq.
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>>98077482
Because King can only write one character and transforms larger than life heroes who endure adversity into cringing crying weaklings.
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>>98078255
kirby think's he's god

king knows he's just a man
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>>98076695
God Kirby was a WWII veteran who valiantly gunned down Nazis while King was a pencil pushing CIA agent whose job was getting other people in danger and probably got them killed
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>>98078375
The CIA and the "intelligence" community holds responsibility for that mess though.
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>>98078385
King just wants sympathy points.
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>>98078420
He was a scout. He didn’t gun anyone down.

He knifed them.
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>>98074500
Read Travels with Charley, it's a goddamn joke.
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>>98078385
Kirby was a man and dealt with trauma and adversity like a man.

King is a boy and deals with trauma and adversity like a boy.
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>>98078444
Yes, but my point is whether he believed the WMD lie is irrelevant if he joined in the year or so after the attack when the focus was mostly on Bin Laden in Afghanistan.
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>>98078360
Less depression and more of a dissocoative disorder but yeah he romanticized her mental illness.

Although I have to agree with that anon that King hasn't written something as interesting as Morrison or some of the best Vertigo writers, so the comparison falls short.
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>>98078420
He stabbed four Nazis to death, fuck I need to find the story.
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>>98078185
>used it as a tool to make himself more interesting.
>>98078255
>Disrespecting anyone who serves
>>98078420
>King was a pencil pushing CIA agent whose job was getting other people in danger and probably got them killed
I bet you fags steal valor too.
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>>98078568
>He stabbed four Nazis to death
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It's not a bad premise. I can't think of a single superhero that doesn't need at least a little therapy.
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>>98078481
>>98078568
>Kirby recalled that a lieutenant, learning that comics artist Kirby was in his command, made him a scout who would advance into towns and draw reconnaissance maps and pictures, an extremely dangerous duty.[38]
>During the winter of 1944, Kirby suffered severe frostbite on his lower extremities and was taken to a hospital in London for recovery. Doctors considered amputating Kirby's legs, but he eventually recovered from the frostbite.[41] He returned to the United States in January 1945, assigned to Camp Butner in North Carolina, where he spent the last six months of his service as part of the motor pool. Kirby was honorably discharged as a Private First Class on July 20, 1945, having received a Combat Infantryman Badge, a European/African/Middle Eastern Campaign Medal and a Bronze Star Medal.[42][43]
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>>98078612
I thought the third comment was suggesting King's less heroic job would be more likely to lead to mental issues, but it can be difficult to tell.
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>>98078518
But he is a bad writer tho? What's so terrible about using your life experince in the creative process? What's all with this vitriol against Tom King?
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>>98078682
he's boring, like Bendis but without big stupid ideas
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>>98078682
"All this vitriol" seems to mostly becoming from the same two or three people. It's not very compelling.
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>caring about corporate capeshit at all
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>>98078708
But it's in every King thread and I don't think I'm being paranoid when I say that.
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>>98078612
His interviews are about how he did bad things in the CIA and characters based on certain ambiguous bad things that he can't say because CIA/classified, that's obviously looking for attention.
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>>98078763
It's the miracle of autism.
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>being this triggered
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>>98078755
>>98078776
>>98078796
These are hot, and I thank the janitor for being slightly too slow.
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>>98078682
He is not a shit writer like Chuck Austen or Gabby Rivera tier but he goes from OK to terribly mediocre and is highly overrated.

>>98078708
>>98078763
>>98078780
It's 4chan, King isn't anything special, Ewing, Johns, Snyder and just about every writer gets hate too.

Hell we had a "writer you hate thread" in December and King wasn't even mentioned once, so he's not the most hated writer in /co/.

But I bet if you make another thread of any other writer right now you will have hate and love coming from anons and a bunch if trolls shitting up the threads.

King isn't anything special not even for /co/ to hate him that much.
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>>98078763
Because people both hate him and like him on /co/? The board is not a hivemind like reddit where they love or hate something and you gotta go with the flow.
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>>98078675
You have to pay attention to the language of the thread.
>He wasn't really in the military
>he's not really a vet
>he was just a pencil pusher
Compare how they described Kirby's record, this is what>>98075591 is talking about, these guus think being a vet is all about being manly macho bullshit.
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>>98077794
I do like how he admitted he was totally into it. A lot of people show war fucking folks up but the otherside of ptsf is the idea it can be addicting and enjoyable
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>>98078763

King got popular so now people really hate him
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>>98078007
He signed up under Bush
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>>98079010
Nah, I remember anons disliking his writing in Omega Men threads, don't make things up.
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>>98078048
I would like a JL run that pointed out that the team started out in their 20s and now basically run the world.
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>>98079002
>I do like how he admitted he was totally into it.
Seriously?
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>>98079047

I said Really hate him. it got a hell of a lot worse once he got on Batman.

the early stuff seemed more like "oh i read this and dislike because X, Y, Z" and now most of it is meme shit.
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>>98079063

isn't that what Priest is doing rn?

and Bruce at least was like 30
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>>98079066
This is honestly any writer, King is hardly special.

That said he isn't even the most hated writer at /co/
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>>98078375
Right after 911 iirc
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>>98079066
>the early stuff seemed more like "oh i read this and dislike because X, Y, Z" and now most of it is meme shit.
This, I have stuff I like about his Batman and stuff I don't like, like Snyder, and like Snyder you can't discuss his comics now without people getting mad and shit.
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>>98076917
I guess if you can stomach this than you are good for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SGDHfcZVOg
I can't actually listen to this at all, the idea of it is just too awful
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>>98079084
This, wouldn't even put him in the top ten most hated /co/ writers. I only see him get hate in threads thay focus on him but he never geys randomly brought up like Johns or Snyder.

Hell he doesn't even have the equivalent of that anti-Hickman autist.
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>>98079126
it does seem to be one guy though
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>>98079065
>>98079002
That explains a few things.

When you write your issues into your books as blatantly as King, it's because there's no safe or acceptable way to deal with them in your life.

For King, he knows whatever he did was morally wrong, but he also enjoyed it, either he knew he was doing the right thing (or "knew," I don't know what he actually did) or got a thrill out of things that he knew were wrong. I'd bet dollars to donuts he wound up in some hyper-macho unit that act like like the people in this thread who thinks feelings are for pussies, so he was never able to deal with it. The CIA is all about compartmentalization, ignoring everything but the task at hand, then dealing with your problems on your own time in a low-key way.

Then he becomes a comic writer, where unless you're writing Punisher, anyone with his kind of moral conflict is a straight-up villain, that can't be much better for him.

Omega Men, Vision, Batman, Mr. Miracle, and now this are all him doing therapy in comics form.
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>>98079116
I watch this type of thing constantly on youtube. Not sure how well I'd be but I'm both compassionate and distant at times so i dunno.
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>>98078682
He wrote Batman.

He literally was adored by /co/ as Based King until his Batman run.
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>>98079153
I don't doubt it being multiple people, I mean this is the only place you can express displeasure about King and even badmouth him without getting banned. I can see why people would go crazy and exagerated shit and let out their autism.

There are also anons that get touchy about him too even when there's legit complaints.

But that said outside King threads I don't really see much hate, hell we have another thread remotely related to King right now and it hasn't exploded with hate, it's mostly pretty neutral towards him and focusing more on the characters.
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King's writing aside, while the premise of superheroes dealing with mental angst is interesting, it'd be pretty silly for them all to conveniently go to one place to get that kind of help.
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Does DC have a Doc Sampson?

Or even a Karla?
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>>98079310
>it'd be pretty silly
COMIC
BOOKS

it's not like this is some canon-changing event that will be referenced in future releases, this is just a cool idea that will be released as a book, by a company that already releases plenty of one-shots that interpret their characters in weird or unexplored ways
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>>98079258
Eh the hate was less but we did get a few people shitting on him, I remember the Vision threads having anons saying he was shit. But Vision was also getting critical acclaim even if it was a title that didn't sell well.

Grayson got its shared of hate too but mostly by "Not muh Nightwing" people.

But yes the hate increased with Batman and I guess it's because it didn't meet a lot of people's expectations.
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>>98079310
If it's the only place offering that kind of specific help, it wouldn't be a matter of convenience for the characters.
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>>98074094
So is this gonna be like a oneshot or a prestige format mini or an ongoing orrrrrrr

The only thing I wanna know
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>>98074094
When are casuals going to learn that King is a fucking hack?
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>>98074094
I like the idea of this, could be good, could get wanky but the shit superheroes deal is heavy and sometimes I get frustrated when writers glossed over stuff that would make anyone go fucked up.

Like Nova in GotG looks super well adjusted for having escaped the Cancerverse, and I know that Loveness and Perez dealt with some of the PTSD he had from it, but being killed and tortured over and over would leave a toll on anyone.

That said I would be down to read a Nova comic by King more than I want to read his Batman, too bad he has that DC Exclusive, Marvel did let him get away.
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>>98079511

After the Darkhawk issue of GOTG I would read Duggan write about how fucked up Nova is
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>>98079525
Duggan can write dark shit but he has been going light with GotG.

Maybe GotG getting cancelled would be good if it opens Duggan for the possibility of writing something better, and if the excuse of tje event is to get people's attention then I can excuse it.
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>>98079063
If it's anything like my circle, the JL would spend an inordinate amount of time with escorts, wine, and no human contact.
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>>98079499
>Batfags
>accepting their current writer as a hack
o I am laffin
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>>98079511
Well Richard Rider, like many Marvel characters, has always been borderline on depression and he kind of already risked killing himself while trying to get his powers back.

The cosmic horrors that he faced and him being in wars could really lend the character for King to write him.
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>>98074094
Sounds like an interesting idea. Just the implementation I dunno. We'll see?
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I once thought of a similar premise for a book.

Kent V. Nelson as a magical therapist.
He's the great nephew of the original Dr Fate, also a Dr Fate and a psychiatrist. There's precedent too, as another Fate before him (Inza) tried to help people by removing their problems, make them demons and fight them, which of course, made them unable to stand on their own feet.
Kent V. , as a psychiatrist would go for a balanced approach, pull the problems out, but let the people themselves fight them.
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>>98079765
I'd read the shit out of that, /co/mrade.
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I don't understand why a company like DC or Marvel would hire someone with King's background. He runs his mouth about how he did "bad things and liked it" in the CIA post 9/11, how do the Big 2 not shit their collective pants and character assassinate him as a rightwing loony?

These are companies that blither endlessly about their beloved progressivism and how do you do my fellow lefties. Doesn't add up unless King slashed his wrists in someone's office when he heard the word "bush".
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>>98074094
Is King psychiatrist or something. He has this weird obession with a heros mental help but he doesnt write it well. Just look at Batman. We are constantly reminded by Selina that Bruce is damaged like we dont already know that.
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I wonder who are going to be some of the patients? Some are really marked by mental issues, like Red Hood, but they have to actually want to deal with it, so... Not many bats.

I can see Kyle being on of the first. King already knows the character well, and he can be put in that setting and circunstances.
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>>98080415
Harley and Booster Gold

https://twitter.com/TomKingTK/status/950738892596051969
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>>98080452
Booster I can see. But is Harley really a hero? I dunno...
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>>98080415
>King already knows the character well
His characterization of Kyle was terrible though.
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>>98080415
This reminded me that Morrison already played with this idea in The JUST, once again confirming that King is a derivative hack.
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>>98080688
As always.

But at last he has some ground and knows his story. Which takes tim for a writer to adquire and is the reason I doubt this book is going to give any actual deep insight into any chaacter if it's going for the stand alone each issue, so to speak.
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>>98079343
you're either a shill or don't belong here if you do the "lol thats comics shit" you insufferably new faggot. bet you eat the shit out of metal.
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>>98075728
>>98075756
>>98076282
I hope they team up again for something short.
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>>98075591
the thing to remember is that people who go on 4chan tend to be retarded.
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>>98076251
>If Morrison, Tarintino Ennis and Millar can mine similar themes in all there works why not this guy.
Those writers can write PTSD and depression but they can also write beyond those themes.

Tom King can only write a character that's sad, has mental illness, or suffers from a tragedy and when he gets to a characters that doesn't have those problems he spins it so they do but he can't do it without making them OOC. His protagonists also tend to read the same.

It's not wrong for him to write what he feels but him being sad doesn't mean he's a good writer and so far I find him to be at the most in the OK to good range, and at his worst to be pretty plain (but nowhere close to shit). Those other writers you mentioned (regardless of them having PTSD or not) have certainly made me care about characters being depressed more than Tom King has.

I feel like King's niche right now is to focus on writing mentally ill heroes and sad stories and his type of writing might be new for a lot of people, but after time goes on people will get tired of it and either he would have to evolve his writing or stagnate like Bendis did.
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>>98082852
And you're an excellent proof of that.
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>>98074094
Here they all reveal they've cut themselves and attempted suicide.
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>hurrrr durrr I'm so deep and depressed
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>>98074094
This idea is nifty but in the end it will boil down to King either wanting to write stories were heroes look to get better or him just doing a depression wanking fest.

Going from what he says in that interview it's the former so I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
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>>98075478
>Therapy is way too much talking and sitting around to be interesting,
your typical capeshit reader everybody. If it's not punching, kicking, or energy beams of some kind, then it can't possibly be interesting. you are a fucking child
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>>98084925
>Tom King can only write a character that's sad, has mental illness, or suffers from a tragedy
But that's a bullshit statement m8. You guys will willfully ignore everything that doesn't fit this stereotype you have Tom King.
You guys who keep bringing up tom's PTSD speak entirely in innuendo where you guys are implying that Tom king is brain damaged from his PTSD and trying to use emotional manipulation to get people ignore the craft behind his writing.
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>>98075478
You can provided the writer is good enough. Still this doesn't mean the writer can't insert action into that type of comic. They can have the character flashback and recall a moment where he was fighting a villain that was traumatic or flashbacking to a moment they failed to save people, etc... It's not new territory, a lot of writers have done it, see >>98077221

>>98085175
I agree you don't need action in a comic to make it interesting and you can make an action scene also be boring. The last issue of Mister Miracle for example had non stop action happening yet it managed to be boring as fuck apart from the last four pages.
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>>98074094
I'm kinda torn. The concept is actually an interesting one and it could work. But on the other hand having ALL the superheroes using it seems kind of pushing it.
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>>98085359
What character or story has he written that doesn't revolve around depression, PTSD or tragedy? Aside from the really generic one-shots he has written only Grayson managed to not fall to that trope and it has been stated by him that Seeley helped him out through the happy parts.

Hell the guy himself said he found Superman boring because Superman didn't have a tragedy as a motivation and because he was a mentally healthy character.

He managed to write an OK Superman only through his connection to Bruce but I fear that if he tried to tackle Superman himself he would have to change Superman drastically as a character or probably write an Elseworld.
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>>98080608

>But is Harley really a hero?

She both is and she isn't as merchandising demands.
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>>98075081
>>Cheating on her waifu Ivy
HarleyIvy fags should die.
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>>98085480
>What character or story has he written that doesn't revolve around depression, PTSD or tragedy?
The prelude to goalpost shifting. I give yoy an answer, you say that doesn't count. I give you another answer and you respond again dismissively. Your question covers sucha broad area that you can always retreat and say, not that omega men counts as revolving around PTSD even though that would be wrong as it's a space opera with modern political intrigue. I say Batman and you say no because even though Batman has always been about the despair of a little boy transformed into this force of good but now that Tom King put a name to what we all know was a depressed character that means it's wrong.
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>>98085480
>Hell the guy himself said he found Superman boring because Superman didn't have a tragedy as a motivation and because he was a mentally healthy character.

https://youtu.be/eLRsxS-V6zs?t=31m5s

No one tell King the Kents are dead.
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>>98085606
>I don't have an answer
Ok then.

>I say Batman and you say no because even though Batman has always been about the despair of a little boy transformed into this force of good but now that Tom King put a name to what we all know was a depressed character that means it's wrong.

If you think Tom King has done the first story about Batman as a depressed character then you can fuck off and read more Batman comics.
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>>98085480
>Hell the guy himself said he found Superman boring because Superman didn't have a tragedy as a motivation and because he was a mentally healthy character.
This is how I know you're just trying to emotionally manipulate /co/, by the fact you're cherrypicking quotes from interviews and twitter and basically putting words in Tom King's mouth.
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>>98085660
I gave you two answers but you ignored them just like I knew you would.
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>>98085696
>trying to emotionally manipulate /co/
I am sorry innocent /co/ please forgive me for emotionally manipulating you uwuv

>the fact you're cherrypicking quotes from interviews and twitter and basically putting words in Tom King's mouth.
He said it himself, the whole video is there for context and you still can't answer my question.
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>>98085480
Superman gets rebooted more than Wonder Woman and has been an else world since 1986. He's even right about Superman. Superman has lacked any kind of struggle since a long time. Editorial even tried to distance him from his Kryptonian side so that he may lack anything interesting.
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>>98085623
Is King this much of a spaz? There was no reason for him to go into whatever that was.
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>>98085660
>If you think Tom King has done the first story about Batman as a depressed character
See you putting words in people's mouths again. Tom King flat out admits that Batman has depression and that bothers people because they associate depression and suicidal tendencies as being mentally damaged.
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>>98085789
>Tom King flat out admits that Batman has depression and that bothers people because they associate depression and suicidal tendencies as being mentally damaged.

And? He's not the first one to do that, but like I said he can only do those type of stories.
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>>98085623
I'm not sure what you think the Kents have to do with anything.
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>>98085751
>the whole video is there for context
But do you imagine people are gonna be able to watch nealy 50 minutes of an interview? Give people a time stamp so we know the actual context because right now you just sound like someone that just wants to smear Tom King.
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>>98085832
>but like I said he can only do those type of stories.
Not that anon, but I don't care if that's true or not. I genuinely find most (not all)
of his work interesting; even if he's just doing the same story again and again, it's done far better than most of the "varied" stories other writers are producing.
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>>98085832
Who cares? He's the only one who does these kinds of stories nowadays. Capeshit was better when they were trying to be taken serious. 80s was a great decade for comics because they were on the serious side rather than trying to pander to manchildren through nostalgia and ""fun"".
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>>98085884
Well yes, that is how autism works.
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>>98085752
there have been a lot of stories with Superman facing struggles, the thing about him is that he's a character that doesn't exactly face the normal problems humans have but even then writers have found ways to make him interesting.

There are also plenty of characters that don't have tragedies that choose to be superheroes.

If King can't relate to him because he's not damaged that's his problem.
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>>98085751
I gave you two answers.
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>>98085884
>>98085901
The video is provided with a time stamp in this thread, look for it.

>>98085885
>>98085889
If you enjoy them it's fine but he is a one trick pony
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>>98085914
That don't refute what I said.
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>>98085901
Oh come the fuck on anon, if you link to a video that's 47 minute video then you clearly relying on people on not giving a shit to see if what you're saying os true or not.
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>>98075623
The Laura signature is what makes this one for me.
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>>98085976
It does, because his Batman is just a normal Batman and his Omega men is just a space opera. His Mister miracle is just a cosmic horror and Vision isnthe only true tragedy here.
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>>98086033
With the protagonist having some sort of depression/PTSD as the motivation drive.
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>>98076695
Even if you want to complete discredit his personal experiences, you think maybe, just maybe, he has seen the effects of ptsd on other people, coworkers or friends or civilians?
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>>98085902
>there have been a lot of stories with Superman facing struggles
Then whats wrong with King making Superman face any kind of struggle? Most writers write Superman as one dimensional as Carol Danvers and as a result Superman hasn't had any good runs since decades.
Most happy go lucky characters without any personality are also bereft of good runs. Even Nightwing started out as interesting, but was turned into a happy go lucky version of Batman. Morrison
had to introduce self doubt into his life to write something interesting with him.
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>>98086097
Neither Vision, nor Kyle had any sort of PTSD.
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>>98086097
Kyle Rayner wasn't motivated by PTSD but had his good nature manipulated by the omega men and if people admit that Batman has in always been motivated by his depression and if Mr Miracle is a cosmic horror with Darkseid then depression is the least of Scot's worries. Know what you never jave mentioned anon? His craft. How he writes. You try to make the argument into a moral one, where you try to argue that people are jist too damaged to write comics amd that really annoys me.
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>>98074094
>tfw /co/ hates it because it has no fun
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>>98076958
Maybe that kid has PTSD, I don't know, but you can have severe anxiety issues and phobias without it actually being PTSD.
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>>98085959
You may not enjoy them, but how is King more one dimensional when every other DC comic is literally the same type of story as one another. GLs, Hal n pals, Aquaman, Titans, TT, Superman, Action comics, Tec are literally telling the same kind of editorially infested story.
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>>98078912
>OK to terribly mediocre
what kind of scale are you operating on?
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yawn
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>>98075812
X-Factor was god tier.
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>>98086206
Not him but I don't think King would care to write Superman outside of him being Batman's friend judging from the video where he sperged when Miller said he was interesting.

But if he were to try to give Superman pathos then sure, I would read it.
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>>98076580
But King is shit.
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These threads always devolve to an anti-King faggot sperging and some triggered Kingbitch getting retarded and both going back and forth.

Also I love how no one gave a fuck about the thread when the King PTSD panel was happening >>98072648
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>>98076580
I never liked anything with Brubaker outside his Catwoman run and his BuckyCap stuff DESU, so you can kindly fuck off too.
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>>98079511
rich has seen some shit
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>>98086320
>The what about _____ excuse
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>>98085696
He said on reddit he would like to write superman because it would be a challenge.
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>>98086987
>Bendis writesAction Comics
>King writes Superman
>They have an event crossover

I'm not a Superfag but I would read those comics and I would go to /co/ to watch the meltdown.
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>>98087029
>Event with Bendis and King
Imagine going back and forth from Bendis to King and back to Bendis and again to King.

Sounds wild.
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>>98074094
Selling all my Tom King books.
A man admits when he's wrong, and you were right /co/.
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>>98075738
No character Grant wrote at DC is less interesting than the fucking X-Men
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>>98075738
Morrison went from being hated by X-fags at Marvel to winning an Eisner at DC.
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>>98087081
Tripfag
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>>98076917
>Listening to a list of horrifying 911 calls
>Old lady calling because she's concerned about some noise in her yard
>Less than a minute later there's a sickening thud, the phone falls to the floor and you can hear the terrified lady screaming as she's being strangled by the invader.
I had to turn it off after that, I have a huge respect for these dispatchers.
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>>98087184
>hating a magician
I wonder if they've learned their lesson yet.
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>>98074094
Tom King is pretty much single-handedly breathing new life into comics, Image aside. DC comics are good right now but rarely great. He puts creativity and originality first to separate himself, already making him a go-to name in the industry in relatively little time.
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>>98074430
>the coloring
Fucking hideous
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>>98087397
God I know the one you're talking about and I haven't listened to it for years. Hearing people die and being unable to do anything is just the worst.

The other one that gets me is the one of a little kid (around 5 or 4) calling about his mom and dad being on the floor all covered with blood. You can tell he doesn't fully understand the gravity of the situation and he's pretty calm about it.

The dispatcher was really good at handling the situation, started asking him stuff about his dog, etc... and told him to go outside and wait for the cops and didn't let the king hang up.

Yeha being a dispatcher must be pretty hard.
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>>98074094
This sounds perfect. Tom King does extremely well handling PTSD in his current Batman run so I'm interested to see how he explores it in this series in a more realistic, grounded way.
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>>98087184
Why did they hate him? I haven't read new xmen yet but from what I saw so far seems good?
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>>98087900
It was different
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>>98075794
Don't act like the execution behind both of those wasn't dogshit.
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>>98087397
>>98087502
>tfw know both of those calls
And here I was, about to go to sleep.
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>>98087239
Anon.
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>>98074094
Dear sweet baby jesus no.

this is clearly a push for the "new paradigm" in mental health.
This is PR, and turning mental health into a business.

HEROES WOULD GET SUPPORT FROM THEIR FRIENDS AND COMMUNITY WHEN THEY FELT THE WEIGHT OF THE WORLD.

now they are outsourcing that to a specialized place.

Its the same thing, except now we saying that people need to go to these places to talk about their problems and not their friends and family becuase they don't understand etc....

it s enouraging to isolate from one another, to stay disconnected.

fuck
this
shit

and this is coming from a person who works in a place they talk about.


a superhero wouldn't use these places.
a super heroes would be supported by his good deeds, the gratitude of the common man "fan letter etc..", and other super heroes who experience the same thing.
Now instead of letting those moment happen organically, they are turning it into some assembly line shit.

this isn't the way to talk about mental health in the comics. trust me. its going to fail horribly, and its going to read like shit.
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Wow, how dare Tom King use his personal experiences to tell original stories! What a fucking asshole!
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>>98074094
>a sanctuary for dealing with trauma
Well the GLs had Mogo, so it's only fair. Then he died. That really fucked with me.
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>>98075620
>>tell me about what happened last week
>>okay, doc, but it'll probably take four issues
I can see that happening; but I don't think they'd get King to write it ...
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>>98075526
rebooting didn't work as well as DC hoped.
SO now they are probably going to introduce new heroes
like maybe flesh some superhoes out that were in Kingdom Come.
So the new superheroes/villans with their new found powers have to confront a bunch of trauma and shit that they never experienced before.
So they get sent to this crisis center where theres a bunch of experienced super heroes to talk with them about the nature of great power, great responsibility, and great depression/anxiety mental illness etc....

honestly if you trying to get some PR for the mental health industry, one of the biggest issues we have is that people with serious mental illness (schizophrenia, dementia, bipolar) tend to use methamphtamine and other illegal substances to cope with their extrmem states which only exacerbates the problem.
These people also tend to get off their meds a lot. Or not take them regularly.
Most often homeless when they don't have the abililty to pay, or receive their meds regularly.

Another big issue is the friends, family members and their church or religious community will often ostracize them becuase of their mental illness, or come to their own conclusions about this. Rather than seeking the guidance or advice of a therapist, doctor, or psychology professor.
And that tends to fuck them up more.

Not to mention the copious amounts of abuse that people with mental health issues have.
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>>98076002
wOkay anon I know PTSD has itself become a trigger word for the 4chan sperglords.
but please try to contain your reactionary feelings.
The main issue isn't that veterans getting PTSD.
The big thing alot of the anons take issue with is when people who didn't get raped to near death or see their buddies die in a gun fight or worse claim ptsd.

PTSD has had some exposure recently.
But alot of people who take issue with PTSD for the same reason anyone who knows anything about OCD, gets a bit annoyed or angry when someone says they have OCD becuase they need to have everything clean.
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>>98076999
though the trips are impressive
your reasoning lacks any sort of psychological insight

maybe these people are superheroes out of habit eh?
maybe these heroes like to stick to their "scripts and schemas"?
Otherwise how could you empathize with them and see them become dynamic superheroes from static ones, if we can't see them developing new habits and breaking old ones?
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>>98074094
>Superheroes Dealing With the Mental Trauma of Violence
So ... Foolkiller?
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>>98077679
back history and truama slowly gets reveal as character get more and more exposre in comics.

we don't have to learn about a heroes traumatic past when hes's on a fainting couch.
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>>98077963
honestly the biggest injustice to these people with PTSD coming out of the military .
Is that the military in no way helps these people get back to "normal life" mode.
They just give them a 30 minute "recalibration" video, give them all the vet benefits and send them on their way.

They also don't prepare soldiers going into the military for PTSD.
Like the symptoms and signs and causes of this.
Theres a shit ton of veterans and regular normies with PTSD that don't know anything about current research into PTSD and how we understand it.
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>>98078165
you have to consider that back then people engaged in close combat. And rarely was there the level of carnage and destruction that we see with modern warfare.
Most of the causaties from pre-modern warfare was from infected battlewounds.
So you got cut in battle, went to camp to lick your wounds. Then died of gangrene three months later becuase you live in a shithole timeperiod.

compared to warfare now where most causualites are due to indirect artillery where they get vaporized or turned to little bits on top of a loud fucking boom. Except the boom is like 20 in a minute.

War is hell
wasn't a quote till Churchill or some WW 2 guy said it.
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>>98078773
it kind of hard to talk about your mental health issues when they are technically considered classified

the subconscious bleeds out what it can, however it can.
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>>98080338
becuase CIA, propaganda/psychological warfare, and comic books all go hand in hand.
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>>98088873
>rarely was there the level of carnage and destruction that we see with modern warfare
You know that the reason a nickname for a military doctor is "sawbones" is because the standard way of treating an infected wound was to amputate a bit further up, right?

Then they discovered antibiotics and needed to up the ante with shit like Mustard Gas:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gassed_(painting)
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>>98074094
>>98079310
>the premise of superheroes dealing with mental angst is interesting

They can do that in their own respective books though in bursts and it can be brought up in relevant situations to tell us more about the characters or to provide an interesting conflict or relatable plight, this is straight up fucking retarded. I mean, what're they gonna be doing? Sitting and fucking talking?

God King's a fucking fag. His Batman run reads like he's dead inside so I'm not exactly surprised. He needs mental help, not to keep shitting up comics.
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>>98089113

while I think Kings heart is in the right place, and he is doing what he can in his own way.

I still feel it would be better exposure for mental health if the superheroes actually dealt with mental health crisis in a more appropriate manner instead of just passing the buck (which is a huge issue in mental health) and sending them to arkham or whatever.

could see a nice one off of the daily life inside arkhsam asylum, where the focus is on therapy and rehabililtating and doing some psycho-education stuff. and doesn't involve joker taking over the whole damn place, or creating another villan out of the administration or doctors there.
Unless of course they already did that.
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>>98080785
He was also kind of perpetuating that therapy is for losers.
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>>98089240
That would be nice, but unfortunately that's antithetical to the nature of comics where the only way bad guys can get better is if they're more marketable as a hero, and even then there's an over 90% chance of a relapse.
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>>98089345
thats the big thing right there
I know they say relapse is the 13th step. jokingly
but its true.

We have to expect relapse.
so sure it might take joker 2000 stays at arkham before something finally clicks on the 2001.
This is all part of the recovery process.
And I bet you heard that sentence in a soft spoken therapist voice.
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>>98088933
Then why aren't comics selling?
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sounds gay
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>>98088672
>claim ptsd
A brain scan would clear up any bullshit claims. PTSD is quantifiable and significantly reroutes the brain.
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>>98074094
Tom King keeps writing about mental health issues, suicide, PTSD and alike with a thin connective issue attaching it to Batman and superheroes. All of his new villains are call-outs to tropes and feel like he's saying all of this shit is stupid, I want to write my deep shit about depression.

That said, if it's done correctly this could be a little neat.
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>>98089498
becuase of win'o threads, bartering/borrowing, piracy
and the movie industry and web comics co-opting the paper comics.
like why bother reading any of the current runs when they will just get adapted into movies 2 or three years down the line?
or why bother paying for comics when I can read some good shit that posted online for free?
>>98089591
PTSD does have a biological impact on brain function true.
but a bunch of other mental illness also does this too, as well as the less serious but equally annoying personality disorders.
like theres psychosis, but theres psychosis due to dementia, psychosis due to schizoaffective disorders, and psychosis due to methamphetamines.

ptsd is essentially anxiety with flashbacks/persistent unwanted thoughts.

also in order to be diagnosed with ptsd would would need a baseline scan before the person in question ever got afflicted with ptsd. No one I know has the foresight and/or the money to do this. And the only ones that probably would are the ones in the military that have to get full physicals before joining up.
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>>98089664
also inregards to comics not selling and them being used as propaganda by CIA.

anons have become smarter to tricks of manipulation in the media. But the CIA is still using old playbook post 2009.
I remember hearing on /co/ that marvel is dropping all their sjw shit becuase they know it aint selling.

so there was definitely an agenda to manipulate the public.
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>>98076002
I went to Afghanistan on two tours. Honestly fucking hated everyone in that shithole toilet of a country. Maybe your grandad just liked Nazis.
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>>98077459
That's true. I got sick of the military and left a fair few years ago but now I'm just working boring jobs and going to work and everything is shit and people are bitchy for no real reason. The pay's better, I can run my own life, but I really sometimes really wish I was back in Afghanistan sometimes, surrounded by people who were trained and half-decent fucking people's shit up. I look over everyone here bitching about things that don't matter; oh you're so tired, oh Becky is a bitch and is sleeping around, oh etc, etc, etc, etc and I just remember the time I called in an airstrike on a compound feeling power and righteous vengeance as the whole thing disappeared into noise, smoke and fire after the fuckers shooting from there hit some of my boys.
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>>98089805
Im slowly gaining the impression that the only thing one needs to do in order to become a philosopher
is to survive a war
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>>98089318
Soft "science" is junk, so he's not wrong.
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>>98090252
therapy isn't a science.
its a craft numbnutz

I see "therpists" with master degrees that are too timid, full of themselves, or just ignorant of the "real world" that they absolutly suck at their job.
And I have seen absolutely depraved and homeless people lift someone out of the depths of depression.
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>>98077358
tell me about bane
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Comics went to shit once these faggot, hurt feelings millennials started showing up. Literal pussies.
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>>98090052
Well, it helped Socrates to shape his thoughts.
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>it's a King writes about PTSD episode
Well, better than the "King writes about a married couple who do superhero activities while having mundane, elliptical domestic conversations" episodes we've been spammed with recently
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>>98090772
>implying
Batman will probably end up at a therapists after endless bitching from Catwoman and pages and pages of BAT CAT BAT CAT BAT CAT
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>>98088799
Foolkiller was that for one issue before spiraling off into some meta stuff.
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>>98075623

>subtle FSM reference
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>>98074094
Whats the arguement? This is just the result of fags who ask questions like "Why doesn't Superman save everyone?" or "Batman kill the Joker?" would get. Hyper realism breeds hyper realism questions.

Done right this could be good sort of like Damage Control or any other story we see shit from the bystander results.
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>>98074430
They burned Loki and shit on the ashes. Jesus.
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>>98079160
Honestly I rather have traumatized war vets write my supers than writers insert their woman magnet self inserts, ex wife issues, or dead son OCs.
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>>98079160
This doesn't explain why his writing sucks.
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>>98076695
CIA is an Intel support agency. Its not uncommon for their agents to get killed, hell they have an entire wall dedicated to them of literally with blank names because some of their dead was so deep they can't be named.

And depending on what paper he was pushing he could have seen some fucked up shit. We're talking bomb plots, enabling child fuckers & smut, videos of torture done for pure joy, field agent friends killed, etc.

In this day and age with Trump its fun to shit on the work those people do. But they're the ones giving 70% of the Intel the military needs to stay alive and nail badguys.
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>>98076129

Both of you should read the fallout from when she killed Medusa back in the day. There wasn't a lot of 'crying' but she was definitely fucked up by it.

This idea can work if it explores coping in different ways, Martian Manhunter as a counselor taking different heroes through different dark points in their lives for example. Doesn't have to be just crying over it, just discussion and possible development.
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>>98074740
Artists dont go to therapy, they function at peak in terms of stress, that's why new gods is the best kirby title, he just lost his position at marvel cause no one would stand up for him when the suits came in,same thing with comedians, when they're going through tough shit, they're funny as hell. By extension, King suffers and produces pieces about trauma.
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Did Alan Moore forced Johns to allow this?
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>>98091608
These are always the most pathetic posts.
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Is Tom King a hack? Everyone knows that DC characters are Gods trying to be men and something everybody should aspire to be.
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>>98091558
>I found something worrying about the fact that the superhero film audience was now almost entirely composed of adults, men and women in their thirties, forties and fifties who were eagerly lining up to watch characters and situations that had been expressly created to entertain the twelve year-old boys of fifty years ago. I not only feel this is a valid point, I also believe it to be fairly self-evident to any disinterested observer. To my mind, this embracing of what were unambiguously children’s characters at their mid-20th century inception seems to indicate a retreat from the admittedly overwhelming complexities of modern existence. It looks to me very much like a significant section of the public, having given up on attempting to understand the reality they are actually living in, have instead reasoned that they might at least be able to comprehend the sprawling, meaningless, but at-least-still-finite ‘universes’ presented by DC or Marvel Comics.
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>>98091912
Nice argument.
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>>98092068

And that's how a 32 years old moorehater is born, after reading this he will go to /co/ and start a thread about "comic pages that gives you feels".
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>>98092191
leave.
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>>98076245
>PTSD is a topic that should be avoided like the plague in fiction. It's never been handled well, ever.

The Iliad - the fucking cornerstone of western literature - deals with PTSD. But please continue stating your idiotic views.
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>>98076245
>It didn't work in muh nintendoe game so it should never be addressed in fiction.
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>>98087081
thats honorable
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>>98091005
He belongs to trash
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>>98088440
Well King can write one shots perfectly but his decompression is hit and miss for me.
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>>98094288
That's not an endless you fucking retard, it doesn't even start with the letter D.
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>>98076874

I love how everyone on /co/ seems to know what a member of the fucking CIA did while he worked for the CIA. The fact that the CIA keeps that shit as on the downlow as humanly possible yet some autist on /co/ somehow worked it out is a fucking joke.

I'm not trying to argue that Tom King was some sort of James Bond figure, he may very well have been a pencil pusher, or he may very well have been some wetworks enforcer.

The point is none of y'all have a fucking clue what he did in the CIA. Whether he's writing a book about superheroes having PTSD because he suffers from it, or whether he's writing it because he thinks it's a matter worth exploring is irrelevant. He pitched it to DC and DC said yes, time will tell whether it's any good or not.
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>>98075478
>Therapy is way too much talking and sitting around to be interesting
Reminder your precious POW BOOM WAM capeshit sells like garbage compared to "boring" noncapeshit things.
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>>98095507
>"2015 bookstore sales"
>I'll take the most selective data set possible for 1000, Alex.

now show their floppy sales. Because to ignore those is to ignore much of the pow boom wam lifeblood.
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>>98096551
>show a dying form of sales
>over one that has had growth to the point where Didio has publicly acknowledged it
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>>98096636
>those sales don't matter
sure, anon. You do know graphic novel sales in total were down from 2016 to 2017 right? Doesn't that mean your old numbers would be kaput as well if you used the current ones? because falling numbers don't count, right?
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>>98096707
Yes they were down because marvel is determined to crash the industry.
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>>98096734
Compared to floppy sales that have only been going up because of lenticulars, numerous #1s, and marvel's cash grab variants where you have to order different books.

Graphic novel sales went up naturally because of increased interest and children's parents buying children's graphic novels. The latter being important because scholastic kicked DC's ass last year in book store sales, which is why Marvel got Moon Girl a deal with them.
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>>98096734
you haven't addressed the point. you don't get to ignore sales simply because "they're falling". I suspect the reason you'd like to ignore them is because they contradict your point.
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>>98094483
Who said it was an Endless? He still belongs in the Trash.

You want a D? Fine, Dumpster.
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>>98076252
I do t get why they shit ok soldiers when it’s the incompetent fucks in charge that screw everything up
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>>98087900
New X-Men is still my favorite X-Men run, not sure why people hate it.
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>>98101139
Grant was depressed and it shows. He made Scott and Jean miserable, had the X-Men act like a bunch of uppity mutant supremacists, turned Magneto into an incompetent loser as if he had never been a head of state before.
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>>98101139

really? it's super wild and different so of course people hated it.

the only problem was Magneto going full silver age genocidal
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>>98101202
It was the first time I ever read X-Men comics before, so I didn't know how different it was.
Looking back at the stuff a few years before it though, it's clearly much better than that shit, not sure how anyone liked the crap the was going on right before he took over.
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>>98101405
They didn't, X-Men had been in a long slump.




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