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Lets have a thread about scifi and fantasy books with functional futarnari / hermaphrodites / newhalfs

I'll start:

The Left Hand of Darkness is a multiple award-winning 1969 science fiction novel by Ursula K. Le Guin. Le Guin's introduction to the 1976 publication of the book identifies Left Hand of Darkness as a "thought experiment" to explore society without men or women, where individuals share the biological and emotional makeup of both genders
The Vorkosigan Saga is a series of science fiction novels and short stories set in a common fictional universe by American author Lois McMaster Bujold. Many novels in the series contain an intersex character, Bel Thorne.
The World Wreckers is a 1971 science fiction novel by Marion Zimmer Bradley in her Darkover series. The book is notable for a complex sub-plot involving the sexual interactions between a hermaphrodite native species known as the chieri, and humans.
The Queen's Tiara (Swedish: Drottningens juvelsmycke) is a classic Swedish novel by Carl Jonas Love Almquist about a beautiful androgyne, Tintomara.

I have no idea how this hasn't been made into a eruomanga, just read some of the wiki:

The novel is set in 1792 and weaves the story of the beautiful but sexless androgyne Tintomara around the assassination of King Gustav III of Sweden, commonly nicknamed 'The Theatre King', on the stage of Stockholm's Royal Swedish Opera at a masked ball in 1792.

Tintomara is employed by the Royal Swedish Ballet to function as the centrepiece of their lavish spectacles. Tintomara's true gender is never made clear, but Tintomara is referred to by the pronoun "She". She is described as beautiful and is often the object of passion for both men and women.
Venus Plus X

Charlie Johns has been snatched from his home on 61 North 34th Street and delivered to the strange future world of Ledom. Here, violence is a vague and improbable notion. Technology has triumphed over hunger, overpopulation, pollution, even time and space. But there is a change Charlie finds even more shocking: gender is a thing of the past.
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Rings of the Master

A super computer has taken control of the human race and sent humans out into space to colonize different planets. The only way to regain power is via the control rings. But to get the rings found on each colonized planet, the wearer must match that plaint's biology. One such planet is full of sexy android herms.
in Isaac Asimov's Foundation and Robot series, Solaria was a planet populated by humans that chose to evolve into herms. They also allowed robots to do all their work.

The Wraeththu (pronounced rayth-thoo) are a science fantasy post-apocalyptic hermaphroditic species which evolved from humanity in the Wraeththu novels, created by British fantasy author Storm Constantine.

now this is some /d/ shit if I've ever read some /d/ shit

One of the biggest differences is in the genitalia and reproductive organs. Unlike humans, all hara have genitals that are simultaneously both male and female (described as "colorful" and "flower-like" and "like a sea-anemone"), able to fold flat and open or retract inwards or protrude, and thus reproduce and experience sex differently.
bump again

really, no one reads plain text?
bump senpai
Nifty idea will be monitoring thread
if you contribute nothing, there will be nothing to check.
I appreceate the idea, but I don't think anyone here has much to add.
some vintage traps

Achilles on Skyros:

"The core myth of Achilles on Skyros as presented in ancient sources was thus. Rather than allow her son Achilles to die at Troy as prophesied, the nymph Thetis sent him to live at the court of Lycomedes, king of Skyros, disguised as another daughter of the king or as a lady-in-waiting, under the name Pyrrha "the red-haired", Issa, or Kerkysera. There Achilles had an affair with Deidamia, one of the daughters of Lycomedes, and they had one or two sons, Neoptolemus and Oneiros.[1] Since another prophecy suggested that the Trojan War would not be won without Achilles, Odysseus and several other Achaean leaders went to Skyros to find him. Odysseus discovered Achilles by offering gifts, adornments and musical instruments as well as weapons, to the king's daughters, and then having his companions imitate the noises of an enemy's attack on the island (most notably, making a blast of a trumpet heard), which prompted Achilles to reveal himself by picking a weapon to fight back, and together they departed for the Trojan War. In some versions, Deidamia dressed as a man followed him."
oh, this is a good one. I'll post the whole wiki page. How some of this stuff hasn't been published as eruomangas is beyond me.

Le Roman de Silence:

"The narrative concerns the adventures of Cador, the heir of the Earl of Cornwall, and then of his daughter Silence, who is raised as a boy in order to be eligible to inherit, as the king of England has outlawed the succession of females.


The narrator prefaces the story by condemning the greed and stinginess of the wealthy class. King Evan of England goes to war with King Begon of Norway; to resolve matters they arrange a marriage between Evan and Begon’s daughter, Eufeme. Later, two Counts marry twin girls. Both Counts dispute over the twins’ inheritance and settle things by fighting, but end up killing each other. Evan, upset that two men died fighting because of women, proclaims that women can no longer inherit as long as he rules. Evan then goes to Winchester, where he and his men encounter a dragon in the woods. The King announces that if any of them are able to slaughter the dragon, he will give them a county and his pick of any woman in the kingdom. Cador, a knight who is in love with a woman named Eufemie who serves the Queen, successfully faces the dragon. Back home, Cador is welcomed warmly because of his bravery. Eufemie, who also loves Cador, is eager to marry him, but Cador falls ill from the venom and fumes encountered while fighting the dragon. Evan promises Eufemie that he will grant her marriage to any available man in the kingdom if she can cure Cador. Eufemie cures Cador, each of them falling more in love with the other. When they finally admit their feelings for each other, they ask the King to make good on his promises. The King gives his consent, along with 1,000 pounds a year and the territory of Cornwall once Eufemie’s father, Count Renald, passes away. Count Renald dies a year after Cador and Eufemie get married. Cador inherits the county of Cornwall, and he and Eufemie conceive a child. If it is a girl, Cador has the idea to lie to everybody and tell them that it is a boy, that way their child will be able to inherit no matter what.

"While Eufemie is pregnant, Nature makes the child beautiful in every way possible, putting the "beauty of a thousand" into her. When she is born, the midwife announces to everybody that Eufemie and Cador have a beautiful son, even though it is a girl. The Count decides to name the child Silence after Saint Patience. The child as a boy will be called Silentius, and if his sex is discovered it will be changed to Silentia. The Count calls on a seneschal, who was raised along Eufemie, to keep the child’s secret safe. The Seneschal builds a house in the woods where he, the child, and the midwife live in solitude. Silence grows into the best-behaved and smartest boy there ever was but Nature realizes that she has been tricked and wants revenge. When Silence is old enough to understand he is a girl, his father explains the circumstances. Silence agrees to conceal himself from everyone and builds up his endurance through physical activities. Nature appears to Silence at the age of twelve, chastising him for hiding his sex. Silence is almost convinced until Nurture arrives and debates with Nature. Reason appears then, and makes Silence sees that he is better off as a man, but his heart remains divided."

Then, Two skilled minstrels touring England receive shelter with Silence and the Seneschal; Silence decides to run away with them. The minstrels promise to protect and watch over Silence, but they do not know that Silence is the son of Cador. Cador and Eufemie are so heartbroken and angry when they hear the news that they banish Jongleurs from their lands. The minstrels teach Silence the trade, and he quickly excels in the four years he travels with them. In order to further conceal his identity, Silence changes his name to Malduit, meaning badly raised child. Out of jealousy over Silence’s talent, the minstrels devise a plan to kill Silence. Warned by a dream, Silence avoids harm by parting ways with the minstrels. After Silence returns to Cador's court, King Evan chooses him as a retainer. Queen Eufeme immediately desires Silence, and attempts to seduce him, but Silence escapes the queen’s grasp. From then on, Eufeme curses Silence and seeks his downfall. Months later, the queen lures Silence into her bedroom for a second time. Once again rejected by Silence, Eufeme fakes having been raped. Evan sympathizes with the queen but asks her to pretend nothing happened. In return, he sends Silence to the king of France.

"Queen Eufeme writes a letter posing as King Evan asking the King of France to behead Silence. The king wants to honor both his friendship with Evan and Silence, so he summons the Counts of Blois, of Nevers, and of Clermont to discuss Silence’s fate. The King of France and his counts feel that Silence cannot be put to death, and the king decides to send a letter to Evan to be sure of what he is requesting. Evan is mortified and covers up what has happened. After a war breaks out in England, Evan decides to bring Silence home to help fight. Eufeme then realizes Silence is still alive, and although she is mad, hearing about his success makes her fall in love with him again."
6. fin

Silence and thirty of his companions make it to England; the king orders his men to attack the count who is holding Chester, and is able to take it away from him. Silence injures the count, whose army flees, and gives him to the king as prisoner. The queen tries to make a pass at Silence, but he rejects her yet again. Eufeme becomes overwhelmed with rage. The queen tells Evan to order Silence to capture Merlin, who cannot be caught other than by "the trick of a woman," which the king does. Silence catches Merlin and returns to King Evan. Merlin presents the King with several brief stories to validate himself as a credible source of information; Merlin then reveals Silence’s sex to the king and court. Silence explains her way of living and reveals the queen’s false accusations of rape. The king publicly executes Eufeme and her cross-dressed lover, who was pretending to be a nun. Evan strips Silence of her male clothing, alters her name to the female form Silentia, and makes her his new queen.
Holy shit, another great one. Apparently in the orignal myths of Thor, Thor and Loki cross dressed to get Thor's hammer back from a wedding.

Holy crap, how has someone not drawn this. It sounds amazing

"The giant Þrymr steals Thor's hammer Mjölnir and demands Freyja as payment for it, desiring the goddess as his own wife. Instead of Freyja, the Æsir dress Thor as the bride and Loki as the bridesmaid, and the two travel to Jötunheimr for the "wedding." Thor's identity is comically hinted at throughout the reception (the god eats an entire ox on his own), with Loki providing weak explanations that the giants somehow accept for the odd behavior (he claims that the bride's immense hunger stems from her not having eaten for the last seven days for her excitement). Mjölnir is eventually placed into Thor's hands as part of the wedding ceremony, allowing the god to strike down the giants and return home."
This is a very interesting thread OP, I actually found a few ebooks of the books you mentioned and will give them a read. I wish i could add something but I can't think of anything off the top of my head, maybe /lit/ could help you out?
>This is a very interesting thread OP, I actually found a few ebooks of the books you mentioned and will give them a read. I wish i could add something but I can't think of anything off the top of my head, maybe /lit/ could help you out?

you could play with google. How do you think I found these?
You should have added that was inspired by the real story of Andreas Bruce, a Swedish 19th century FtM transgender.
Kotobukiya's bishoujo line has gotten really expensive.

Unrelated, why does the chucky Kotobukiya look like pippylong stockings with a knife?
I remember this one. I think I read the first book? Very strange stuff.

I wish this sort of thing were more common. Lots of sci-fi in the transhumanist vein tends to mention sex changing and "non-traditional sexual forms" as a possibility, but usually it's almost like an offhand mention to show that it's possible and people are strange. Because I've always thought that kind of "non-traditional form" (at the very least, shape changing junk) would be fantastic, it puts me out. I can't help but wonder, is it because most people are so entrenched in their social mores that they're too uncomfortable to explore what society would really be like as the bounds of acceptability are pushed by people transgressing against them, or am I really that unusual?

Some examples of those offhand mentions I referenced above:
In Glasshouse, by Charles Stross, the main character is a man put in a female body for most of the book, and near the end there's a mention of a blue hermaphrodite centaur. This sort of thing shows up in a lot of his sci-fi books, implying that the future violates our current ideas of norms but not going into detail.
The Golden Oecumen by JC Wright has a hermaphrodite side-character for like one chapter in the second book (they're not very sexy though, they have a beard and made themselves that way so they could impregnate themselves).
Since this thread isn't exactly boiling over, maybe we can include any non-porn sexuality-transgression in other media, such as comics and video games?

[spoiler]Just to get it out of the way: Homestuck's trolls seem to have sexual dimorphism, but we know any pair can breed together. It's implied this may be artificial though.[/spoiler] (do spoilers even work on /d/?)

There's a fair amount of gender bender manga out there, though most of it is just a full blown swap from one sex to the other. Funny enough, the original, pre-porn definition of futanari was often used for that kind of thing, rather than all-at-once mixtures.
Ranma ½, Futaba-Kun Change, and Gacha Gacha: Secret are all examples of that.
Pretty Face probably fits the definition of a New Half.

Boku no Futatsu no Tsubasa might be cheating, since it's by a porn artist, but it's a mainstream manga with a main character that's a full blown hermaphrodite.

Oh, actually, I just realized the perfect resource for this.
and to a lesser degree:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenderBender (the term they choose for specifically a full body sex transformation, which seems more like a switch than a bend to me, but whatever)

lord, I may help myself for bringing this up, but in this vain, didn't the aliens in Alien Nation have 1 episode showing that their whole race made babies by cucking? Like, the average male alien wasn't enough, so they would bring in this one special one and the normal husband jsut had to be fine with it?
I think I've watched like ten minutes of Alien Nation total.
So I looked it up!

>Newcomers have a third, also male-looking sex called Binnaum, who are necessary for catalyzing a pregnancy. Binnaums offer a high-demand service, but make up a very small percentage of the population.

They also do the seahorse thing, where the male basically incubates an egg inside themselves.

It's not even in the TV Tropes list (that I saw) but in The Mote in Gods Eye by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle, the Moties change sex every couple months.
>Boku no Futatsu no Tsubasa

now I'm reading this. There goes my new years day off.
The Player of Games, Ian Banks, deals with our (male) mc entering a society with three sexes. There's men who provide sperm, women who get pregnant, but the eggs and fertilization happen in a third in-between 'apex' sex to have aspects of both. You need all three to have a baby. And it's a really sexist society, with apex > women > men. I got the feeling that 'Apex' was more men with vag & dick than women with dicks, but yeah.

There's some strange kinky shit in Transmetropolitan as well, but not in detail... And it's a pre internet work, which means it's really innocent in some ways even when it's trying for deviance and future shock. Like the bit where people can take animal traits, and the author expects it'll just be used for quick holiday getaways... I mean, I don't think he knew furries existed? Or horsecock fetishes?

Although it's been a while since I've read these, so the details might be wrong.

I loved Stross's Glasshouse. Then again, it's his worst selling book and at the time I was in denial about being MTF, so yeah.

It's a shame so much of it is a weird spy thiller ish thing that's a thin analogy for critiquing 'traditional' gender roles, and talking about recovery from PTSD.... The background world is neat, and some of the gender bender content has the potential to be really hot.

And yeah little details like the mention of the 'naked blue hermaphrodite centaur' at the end really provoke the imagination.


The problem with going into detail is that the details violate *current* cultural norms... go too far and you provoke backlash. You can say the future will be different, but if you pick *specific* differences to show, people critique them by current standards.

Like, when real futa is an option for human bodies, people will opt in, and the world will be better for it. But try and tell that to American voters, lol.
I’d pay to see Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston enact this
>I’d pay to see Chris Hemsworth and Tom Hiddleston enact this

>when real futa is an option for human bodies, people will opt in

I figure if and when it is perfected, a lot of nerdy men and powerful men are going to opt in. Espically if we don't change how we perceive male and female privilege. Like, we just hand the kardashians money for having nice butts. What do you thinks someone moneyed and fame hungry like trump would do if he could just buy that body?
>Boku no Futatsu no Tsubasa might be cheating, since it's by a porn artist

fun fact, and this fucked up an afternoon for me because I spent far too long searching (if you want to send me my autism reward long-distance, I accept email and fax), but some of the chapters have credits that state "Scans: Censored Vagina" on them. Turns out, and this is just my best guess because these scans are fucking DECADES old at this point, but I'm pretty sure the person who scanned these chapters used "Censored Vagina" as their motherfucking username. That doesn't mean there's a version of the scans where characters' vaginas are uncensored, that's just the name of a douche who wanted to fuck with people.

It's kind of a shame, too, because Chapter 11 would actually be pretty hot in legit hentai. I wonder if the same scenario has ever been done for real in futa hentai.
>I wonder if the same scenario has ever been done for real in futa hentai.
(same anon)
If anyone is feeling particularly bored, maybe consider trying to find hits for this. The criteria are essentially just: 1) accidental sex, and 2) girl falling onto futa's dick.
>No Bra Girl
What are you people doing?

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