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Serious question, Why are ham operators such fags?
>be me
>listening to wide range of HF, VHF and UHF freqs on scanner and several mobile receivers for almost one year
>finally get tech license
>Sunday afternoon, "Dis gun be good"
>Call sign and "listening" on local repeater
>fifty old geezers spend more than 20 minutes conjecturing about why my signal sounds the way it does and upbraiding my HT
Where are the "happening" nets?
Where are the bantz?
Will this ever be any fun?
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>>1298149
Why are you trying to participate in a hobby you don't enjoy?
Are you either a woman or brain damaged?
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>>1298149
> when I first got an internet connection I immediately knew every site and server that was relevant to my interests.

Thats how gay you sound. As always, lurk moar faggot. You'll find your shitposting repeater of choice eventually
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>>1298149
Is there anything worthwhile on that old gramps shit?

Always thought it'd be neat, then I realize there's the internet. My gramps claimed to hear German channels at night and that seems like an ok way to learn a new language. Then I remember theres the internet.
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>>1298173
I speak a little Hungarian and some Spanish, so it's a legit way to keep up, but local repeaters are full of feggits like >>1298164
and >>1298167
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>>1298149
I like watching this cute girl talk about radio stuff on jewtube. https://www.youtube.com/user/jeriellsworth
There are some other cool people on jewtube. I remember one guy talking to a guy on the other side of the world over ham.
I'm a noob who only has a rtlsdr dongle to listen.
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write down the callsigns of local people who suck and ignore them. old fags think they own the air waves and get a power trip from bullying new users. it's the same shit as the internet; go on any forum as a new user and the dorks with 10,000 posts will try to get you to leave.
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>>1298181
Would QSO with
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>>1298182
>old fags think they own the air waves and get a power trip from bullying new users
This so much. Most of the old user base are old faggots so just tell them to fuck off and ignore them. Much like >>1298164 and >>1298167
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>>1298194
So you're saying rather than hanging back and getting a feel for the repeater/forum/channel/image board before you jump in and make a dick of yourself, it's best to just jump in and make a dick of yourself? Do you often elbow into public spaces you are unfamiliar with and start spouting shit, then blame the locals for not tolerating your special snowflake opinions?

I'm >>1298167 not even a hamfag, I just understand how communities work. No wonder you're so fucking jaded, you must be sick of being wrong.
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>>1298149
Op you have to wait for some local event. Listen to the California Hams talk about the fire, or the next Happening fire up a broswer that feeds ham channels, and police chatter, while shitposting on /pol or /b.

Vegas shooting was nuts with activity, at least on the HAM side.

Secondly, you don't need a license to ham during an emergency.
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>>1298288
>it's best to just jump in and make a dick of yourself?

of course not. but the bitchers do have a point about "that asshole with 10000 posts" who ruins a board because he's built up his little fan club that supports him even as he posts incorrect crap, and I suppose some ham radio groups could occasionally suffer from that sort of deal where there's an established pecking order with jerks at the top.

but as someone said, move on if a community sucks that much. and if they all suck, maybe I'm the problem after all.
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>>1298288
>not even a hamfag
>jumping into a discussion you know nothing about
>making a dick of yourself
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>>1298328
>you have to wait for some local event.
Was in totality of eclipse, same group of oldfags harumphing about "all the excitement; I'll just sit here in my hamshack and wait for it to be over; but don't clog the airwaves talking about it, never know what might happen." (clue: it's happening now dumbass).
During latest St. Louis riots, no one on the ground doing an AMA or even talking about it; oldfags are all in the county.
Anyway, seems like HF users are different from VHF users, and I'm sure I'll find a place to shitpost on the air. For those of you who are going to chime in after me about how airwaves are primarily for emcom not for shittalk, please explain the vast emptiness of the 220 band or Smitty's extensive diatribe on the best boiled peanuts. Until some young guys get on the air and start breathing some fresh blood into the bands, they are going to be filled with autistic geezers whining about "all these young guys with their computers."
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>>1298288
according to OP, he didn't jump in and make a dick of himself though. he announced his callsign and "listening" which is common courtesy when you're listening to a channel as a licensed ham. it lets the people on the public repeater know that there's another person willing to speak if they're willing to have him.

but like most old hams, they prefer to pretend they own the repeater and are gatekeeping the people who use it.
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>>1298288
>rather than hanging back and getting a feel
Did you not read OP?
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>>1298149
Ok if you were on an HT. You will eventually understand why they were trying to help you with your signal. It's like 3 people standing around talking and some guy walks up and tries to join in whispers everything. You try to be polite but it's really frustrating. You can't hear how weak you most likely sound compared to everyone else. If you stick around long enough especially after Christmas you will be on the other end.

Also if you don't like chatting with geezers, sell your stuff now. Ham is an aging community. They are also mostly conservative and a LOT of conspiracy theorists. Just have fun and chill
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>>1298361

It's like the ham equivalent of someone joining a forum with a badly optimized JPEG avatar saying "Hi" and then a bunch of senior members making fun of him in the thread.

I've listened to a few WebSDR's and i gotta say most of it is extremely boring old man talk. You get drawn in by the romantic thought of stumbling upon some pirate radiostation or spoopy numbers station late at night, but in reality it's just Geezer Club. The internet is a million times more interesting.
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>>1298371
>Ham is an aging community.
Wait 5-10 years and all those old fagots will have died and their grandkids will have pawned the HAM equipment because grandpa was a dick and kicked everyone out of his hobby.
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Around here there is an 8yo girl who gets on. She seems to have more to say than here 10yo brother who also has a license.
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>>1298374
>It's like the ham equivalent of someone joining a forum with a badly optimized JPEG avatar saying "Hi"
No, it's sop when you are monitoring a repeater. Please go back to your websdr; you don't know what you're talking about.
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Just passing through; no dog in this fight. I've seen ham threads in /diy/; I'm assuming these are young dudes. What do /diy/ hamfags do with radio? Listen to Alex Jones? Send clandestine coded messages? Listen to their neighbor's baby monitor? What?
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>>1298659
>What do /diy/ hamfags do with radio?
it's like asking "what do you do with the internet?". on a daily basis, yea the most common thing is just listening or communicating. if you have an interest in diy electronics, you can use radio knowledge to create wireless projects. but it's a broad topic.
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>>1298731
>yea the most common thing is just listening or communicating.

do people still send images? years ago, before the internet was widely used, I had a friend who was big into ham radio. He had a video display, and once in a while a picture of some ugly naked woman would trickle in over 10 or 15 minutes. Pretty sad, to be honest.
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It's just neckbeard autists who are too fat to leave the house

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIVesUzNP2U
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>>1298149
ham is dead, it's just not been buried yet.
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>>1298869
That's not entirely true, if there's a contest going on at least around here the airwaves light up like a Christmas tree.
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>>1298149
Hamfag here. You need to get international qsos for interesting banter. Get a tall big antenna well tuned on 14mhz. Ignore American calls, try to get on at dawn or dusk. Germans and Russian stations are good chat, so is Scandinavian countries. Italy is loud and poor quality operation. Try Brazil and south America. Forget vhf and repeaters. I am happy to QSO with you to a schedule. Look me up LZ2ILR on qrz.com i often work over 5000 miles with 2 watts and a cheap diy antenna
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>>1301283
OH A CONTEST?! WHOOP DE FUCKING DO.

a couple of hours of people frantically yelling CQ and their call signs and then nothing.

old guys on 40 meters talking about how much no one does ham radio anymore.
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>>1303130
HF is for old guys who like spinning dials, repeating "CQ" over and over and over again, and mailing qsl cards.

All the cool kids are on digital systems now.
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>>1303147
so, too, I hear, are a bunch of old guys who were once hams, downsized their living arrangements and thus had no space for antennas or a shack, and now gleefully spend their days chewing the rag on DMR making plans to meet up at a steakhouse the next county over
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>>1298823
>do people still send images?

is that packet radio? i hear ham is one way you can still get a static IP address.

i have also watched some jewtubes of guys transmitting direct video.
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>>1304437
There is more than one way to send images, but slow scan TV is probably the best-known. It isn't related to the packet radio.
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>>1304437
> of guys transmitting direct video.

ATV. In some cases it's simply a matter of tuning a tv to them. The local repeater here was on 70 cm running a DAB+ output. Check the BATV website.
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For a soon-to-be-licensed technician looking for a babby's first Tx rig for no more than 50 burgers and doesn't plan on much more than stroking the local 'peaters on 70cm and 2m, rarely operating mobile, any recommendations? Anything better than the baomeme UV-5RC for my purposes? I also have SDR at home.
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Could someone talk me out of buying a used Motorola radio? I've used Motorola equipment at a few jobs and always appreciated how ridiculously durable it was, and kind of want a piece of Motorola gear for myself. The only issue I'm coming across is that a used 16 channel single band HT1000, antenna, battery, charger, and programming cable (I have an old Pentium laptop sitting around that will supposedly work to program it) will set me back just as much as a new Yaesu single band HT with more channels than I would ever need and the ability to program the radio without a computer (which would be nice for accessing repeaters while traveling), and if I was to get an MT2000 instead of the HT1000 it would set me back as much as a new dual band Yaesu (or a used single band mobile radio from one of the big 3). I still kind of want the Motorola radio, but I'm having a harder time justifying it given the other features I could get.
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>>1298823
There's a guy in Colorado who regularly sends out communist memes on the SSTV frequencies, always funny to hear *DEDLEDEDLEDEDLEDEDLE* and then a minute or two later somebody starts yelling about socialists.
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>>1306608
It depends on your situation. The commercial set should be a lot less susceptible to out of band rubbish.
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>>1307352
I'm generally not in RF dense environments though and the city I live in is rather small. Would the better filtering on Motorola radios make them better for misusing as a mobile radio vs a Kenwood/Yaesu/Icom HT? Come to think of it, I figure something designed to be abused may have a better duty cycle for transmitting at full power without burning up your finals/having the radio drop the transmit power significantly as well vs the rather low duty cycles of most amateur radio HTs when transmitting at full power.
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>>1307503
One of the local hams runs a modern yaesu on 100% duty cycle fm for hours at a time but he has had to fan force cool the thing. Hams tend to rag chew more than than commercial speech but I guess the motos sometimes run data so....
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>>1307504
>One of the local hams runs a modern yaesu on 100% duty cycle fm for hours at a time but he has had to fan force cool the thing.
That sounds like a mobile radio, and those do have significantly higher duty cycles than an HT (especially if you have one that's actively cooled). Also, it's quite possible he's not running it at full power if he's just trying to hit a nearby repeater.
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>>1307699
Its full power at 75 watts. Yes its supposed to be a mobile set but it has an external fan mounted next to it on the pa.

No point running for two+ hours straight on a normal repeater as it would time out.
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>>1307792
>Yes its supposed to be a mobile set
My post here: >>1307503 was about using an HT as an improvised mobile radio (ie. with a battery eliminator and an external antenna attached to your car). I wasn't talking about actual mobile radios.
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HAm radio died when Timmy died (N6MZA). We (the k7Ij repeater club) were the bad boys of Ham radio. Possible movie script- seriously funny geek wars... Our enemies on the Mt Diablo repeater were hilarious...one thing you need to know about Hams- they are literally usually uptight, ultra law abiding cop wannabes with a "license" that they seriously think makes them into junior g-men. The k7Ij repeater was the /pol /b of Ham radio- literally- including raids on enemy normie hams, electronic warfare (including directed energy weapons....) doxxing employers and getting people fired (this usually directed against us) We would license homeless people in Berkeley (so they could call 911 from their cardboard box) some of the incoherent rants broadcast on the Mt Diablo repeater were hilarious...Good ole days, if interested in the pinnacle of ham radio, look up N6MZA and K7IJ and mebbe me N6YSA
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http://www.royhooper.com/mza.html
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MY RE-TEST
I recently went back to San Diego,
making sure I steered away from the SDPD,
to meet Riley and retake the ham test.
I had no reason to study for I am a smart man.
I easily blurted out my answers
as my lovely wife read me the questions.
It took Riley about 5 minutes to grade my test.
He then looked at me,
and trying to keep from laughing he said
"You failed! You failed the NOVICE!
How can you NOT pass the novice!!??"
Well, I took it the second time and still did not pass.
I do not know when I will head back to San Diego
to try to get my ham license back.
This in N6MMMMMMMMMMM-Zed-A...clear.
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>>1307881
(KD6)KEK
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How likely would I be to hear any activity on the amateur 2 meter or 70 cm band if I was adventuring in the middle of nowhere where there isn't cell service? I really want to play with this some more, but there's basically no activity in my city outside of one repeater (which still doesn't have much activity) despite there being a ton of coverage with one repeater covering both my city and another smaller city and another repeater in my city becoming part of a network in the near future that already covers an area of a few tens of thousands of people. Adventuring out in the middle of nowhere is pretty much the only thing I'm going to be doing outside of my city though. Are the VHF and higher amateur radio bands only good if you already have other people to talk to rather than trying to meet new people?
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I have always imagined ham radio as being no different than 2 old men yelling back and forth "can you here me? How's the weather where you are?"

Over and over and over and over....
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>>1308469
>"can you here me? How's the weather where you are?"
Not too far from the truth on some freqs.

And using q-codes on fucking voice freqs. Use fucking english you nerds.
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>>1308480
Is that ham?
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>>1308412
If you are going to work satellites VHF UHF may be ok in the middle of nowhere. We get occasional interstate activity on 70 but more often on 2 and 6 metres here. For true middle of nowhere work hf is the go with a selection of bands.
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>>1308469
on days like today sometimes all you wanna talk about is the weather
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>>1308552
>If you are going to work satellites VHF UHF may be ok in the middle of nowhere
I figure that would work, but I'm more of wondering how many other people who may be inside radio line of sight would happen to have radios operating on the amateur bands with them. I'd just go with HF if I wanted something that would require stopping to set up my radio.
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>>1309044
Depends on where. Australia here. 100 watt hf mobile is common in outback areas on non ham bands. We also have UHF cb which is commonly used for line of site comms on outback stations many of which have their own repeater. That is good for about 30km mobile mobile on flat ground or more with a repeater. It's a matter of knowing the area and what is used. Where are you asking for?
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>>1309068
>100 watt hf mobile is common in outback areas on non ham bands
Is that legal without any kind of license in Australia?

>Where are you asking for?
The US.
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>>1309114
>legal without any kind of license
I very much doubt that. Australia certainly has its own ham licence which is required for anything other than using a wifi router or FM audio sender.
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>>1309114
>Is that legal without any kind of license in Australia?

No. They have licenses other than ham for such things. No reason you can't use ham in the outback but there are a lot of people using other frequencies.

http://www.beadelltours.com.au/hf_information.html

HF has been about for a long time in the outback and now our manufactures export the stuff.
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>>1309147
Jesus, it's been years since I've seen that bad of an eye cancer inducing website. I never thought I'd feel nostalgic over such a thing.
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>>1309150
It is a bit of a blast from the passed.

They used to even teach school on HF but now satellite internet has taken over that mostly.

https://www.assoa.nt.edu.au/
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Are there any man portable rugged HF options that don't weigh as much as a base station and take up an entire backpack like all the older military ones I'm seeing do, and also supports CW (as the rugged business options don't seem to)?
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>>1309172
Some hams build FT817s into cases for this.
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Any Canadian-hams?
I want to go about getting my license but the Industry Canada website is a little confusing. Do I need to locate a club to get started or can I start online?
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>>1306608
Motorola makes some indestructible state of the art gear but:
Radios are no longer supported once the new version comes out.
Requires proprietary software and cables to program. If programmed with the latest software you will not be able to use the older versions to access the radio.
May require a radio interface box ($$) to program.
May need a slow computer running DOS to program.
Narrow bandwidth may not do ham stuff.
No front panel programming, so you can drag your computer, rib box and cables with you while traveling.
Any mishap while writing to the radio = brick.
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>>1309326
I was aware of these problems but would like to point a few things out.

>May require a radio interface box ($$) to program.
The schematics for those are public and people can and do build them themselves. I realized that later and it does bring down the price of the Motorola radio vs new stuff from Kenwood/Icom/Yaesu.

>Narrow bandwidth may not do ham stuff.
Motorola's narrow band capable radios can still be set to wideband on a per channel basis. Also, some newer amateur radio gear can do narrowband transmit as well, and while I can't remember how receiving wideband FM with a radio in narrowband mode turns out one can receive narrowband FM with a receiver in wideband mode (it's just quieter).

>No front panel programming, so you can drag your computer, rib box and cables with you while traveling.
That didn't bother me too much, considering there were options with enough memory spots for all the repeaters I might want to use.

>>1306608
Ended up deciding against it, not because of any problems with Motorola radios but because the 2 meter band is pretty dead locally and almost all activity (other than digital mode stuff) is on a single 70cm repeater while it seems that if I was to want to use a radio outside my city I would need something on the 2 meter band due to the lack of other non digital mode 70cm repeaters throughout most of my state and the lack of repeaters coverage in general in some areas. I still really want to get a Motorola radio to mess around with, but can't justify it if I either end up with something I can't use unless I'm traveling or end up being locked into local infrastructure that completely defeats the purpose of a radio IMO.
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>>1298149
>listening to HF on a scanner
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Is a antenna's physical length more important than it's material length? Like, take this Bluetooth antenna trace, would I measure it end-to-end or would I measure along the path it follows?

And say I have a randomwire antenna but I want to shorten it without cutting it, can I just fold the end back and tape the folded part flush to the rest of the antenna?
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>>1311526
uhh no. its a folded antenna. it's not a dipole. the squiggles are waveguides. there's no way for a peasant like you to measure it. other than just knowing it's meant for bluetooth .
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>>1311526
Material length (measure the path). That's how coils can make antennas smaller physically but electrically resonant. Folding the antenna back to shorten it will work if the wire is uninsulated and touching itself.

Just for S&G, a half-wave antenna, smack-dab in the middle of the bluetooth frequencies, (2441Mhz) would be 2.30 inches (5.842cm) long.
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>>1311549
>the squiggles are waveguides
No those aren't. It is the antenna. It looks like that to physically fit into that space.
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>>1308480
>And using q-codes on fucking voice freqs. Use fucking english you nerds.
Q-codes are more reliable and more efficient (less time is needed to convey the info).

Same applies to ten-codes.
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>>1313474
>more reliable and more efficient
Why are you using speech then?
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>>1313483
do you use acronyms like WTF, STFU, GTFO, OMG etc, e.g., i.e.? Or something from sms speak like g8, cu? I bet you either use them or know what that stuff menaing. Using these acronyms is reasonable as it's more efficient (less time to type or write, the sentence takes less space).

Do you know what ten-codes are and why are they used instead of plain speech? It's all about the media (radio).
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>>1298288
Oh hypocrisy thy name is anon...
see>>1298361
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>>1313474
You don't use q-codes for normal phone transmissions. You might hear qrz but that's about it.
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>>1313510
10-codes are for public safety agencies, and idiots who like to play policeman, fireman, or medic.
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Alright DIY nigs,
I'm looking to build a helical for INMARSAT reception ~1.5GHz. I've got an antenna calculator and a book on antennas, for the specs but I need a form to wrap the coil around.

Any ideas?

The form needs to be around 2.5" in diameter, rigid, non-conductive, and allow for fabricating a matching network between the coil and the ground plane. Should keep the correct coil spacing aswell.

I would like something easy instead of making a rigid pole and drilling a bunch of shit and adding support element like in pic related.
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>>1313891
PVC pipe? Cardboard tube for initial fabrication? You can wind it around something like a cardboard clingfilm roll and then mount it via holes in a couple of bits of rigid plywood or plastic. Like pic related.
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>>1313896
There aren't really any cardboard tubes readily available in that diameter.

The problem with something like PVC is that in order to do a simple transmission line-like matching network you need to cut out a chunk of the PVC near the bottom but have it support the rest of the coil.

I was thinking about using some kind of foam maybe because it could be easily cut to the right shape. I don't know shit about foam though.
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>>1313911
Again, you don't need to use the tubing to support the coil, just use a plastic ruler or PCB or something for that. A bit of timber should work great for that diameter, and easy to carve grooves into for the helix itself.
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>>1313876
>You don't use q-codes for normal phone transmissions. You might hear qrz but that's about it.
Also QSL and shit load of phonetic alphabet.
Especially if conditions are bad due to QRN & QRM if and we are speaking about DX'ing.
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>>1313927
And QSB and if person is actually doing CW.
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>>1313928
We're talking phone here, not CW. If you are on CW use q-codes until your heart is content.
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>>1308574
realtalk, sauce on pic related?
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>>1314402
The shining.
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>>1314402
.... senpai
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>>1298598
>Around here there is an 8yo girl who gets on.
Would offer to visit my basement/10
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>>1314376
Rag chewers and alike seldom use Q-codes. All other people do use them.

I was going to upload a short clip but got this error message:
> Error: Audio streams are not allowed.

So you gotta believe me ;)
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I got my license around 4 years ago, never keyed up once
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>>1314467
At least get a shitty ht and check in to some repeaters. I've been in a slump lately but getting back into some projects.
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>>1314463
I'm a ham, don't preach your bullshit to me.
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>>1298181

She's a 6/10
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>>1298181
I watched her part one a wile ago. Don't know when she will finish the thing.
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Do people play tabletop RPGs via ham radio?
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>>1315016
>I'm a ham, don't preach your bullshit to me.
Post pics of your antennae.
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>>1315790
No
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>>1315790
the closest I've heard is monthly trivia night on a local club's Monday night net. if not, you should
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Has anyone else ever messed around with extremely low power CW on the VHF or UHF bands? Considering CW can be copied by ear at 1/20th the signal strength vs SSB voice which in turn can be copied at 1/10th the signal strength of FM voice, one could get some serious performance on low power when compared to the radios people normally use on the VHF and UHF bands. With most mobile rigs running FM at 25-50 watts, you would only need to run CW at 125-250 mW to get similar performance. Part of me thinks it would be really cool to attempt to integrate a really low power transceiver into a key just barely larger than the Palm Radio mini keys. I've seen QRPp transceivers that can put off 100-200 mW when powered by a AA battery, so a 3 V coin cell or small battery pack should be usable for such a task. I'm not sure if having a person touching the ground plain on an antenna would be a problem, but if not such a radio could transmit on the 70cm band and have a small integrated telescoping 1/4 wave antenna, have a magnet base to keep the radio from moving while being used, and use whatever metal object it's attached to as a ground plain.
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>>1316209
>antennae
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>>1316798
Well if you have more than one. Antennae is the correct plural form of antenna.
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>>1316849
>Antennae is the correct plural form of antenna.

i'm pretty sure it's ok to say antennas in america.

same with indexes vs. indices.
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>>1316761
>a 3 V coin cell
unlikely unless you want QRPpp. internal resistance on those things is pretty high and they don't have many mAh, so consider separate rx.

>>1316905
database administrators commonly ignore proper pluralization rules and mechanically write "companys" and so forth. supposedly it makes remembering the name of the table easier given a column name, but I think it's just one of the rough lessons of the inner shitty streets
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>>1316905
OCTOPODES
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>>1316922
OCTOPUSSYS
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>>1316209
>>1316798
>>1316849
>>1316905
>told to show ' the interface between radio waves propagating through space and electric currents moving in metal conductors, used with a transmitter or receiver.'
>begins debating the semantics of said conductors
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>>1316935
consider tits shown
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>>1298194

Best advice I've seen on this sub. +1 (Insightful)

Just jump right in and if a user bullies you then DM a moderator and they will ban him for harassment just like here.

Sent from my iPhone ][gs.
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>>1298371

Agreed. Even a better homemade antenna will do wonders for your signal. They're trying to help you, on the not-unreasonable assumption that a ham hobbyist will be glad to learn and be helped.
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>>1298371
>Ham is an aging community. They are also mostly conservative

Sensible old guys? Fuck that. We need every community to be naive college student /woke/ community.
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>>1316935
>begins debating the semantics of said conductors
Damn straight, bitchy.
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>>1317084
>this is how you make your first post in a thread.
ok
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>>1317087
Pssst. . . I'm the one arguing semantics.
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>>1316209
I want pic. related.
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>>1317200
I don't want to be anywhere near one of those things, assuming it's a transmitter.
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Question: New to Ham fun time. Old school /g/. Are cantenna's useful to hams or is that good only in wireless networks?
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>>1317331
Maybe if you are using frequencies above 1GHz, and transmitting to a stationary target.




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