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are heavy deadlifts bad for your spine in a long run ?
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>rounded back
>drops the weight
With that form you're headed to snap city.
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yes they are.

you shouldn't go over 3p8 deadlift
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>>41148645
I thought his intestines would shoot out of the bottom of his shorts at any second. But heavy DL is probably the worst for you in the long run
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>>41148664
dude has a back made of steel
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They are but then again powerlifters don't tend to run for long.
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>>41148677
probably needed a bit of a cleanup for the hemmeroids he gave hismelf
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if you do them like that guy yeah you're gonna get fucked up.

deadlifts do help with strengthening your back and correcting your posture. but there comes a point where having 4+ plates pulling down on your spine becomes hazardous. the slightest twist or bend in the spine and you'll slip a disk or pinch some shit and your life will be ruined. not worth the risk imo. i wouldn't go over 4 plates and i'm at 3.
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Yes, there is no reason to put that much shear force on your spine every week. The same can be said about heavy back squat. These two exercises are great to build muscles but also great to wreck your spine.

On the other hand, frequent farmer walk and front squat are very beneficial for spine health.

I myself ( 31 years old here) dont do deadlifts and back squats anymore. Only front squats and farmer walk.
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>>41148712
farmer walk looks like such a great exercise. i kind of do it when i carry the shopping into the house. how do you do it in a gym though without getting weird looks?
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>>41148645
If you lift with Pete's form without actually being Pete, yes, you will go to snap city.
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>>41148686
i never understood how people hold that kind of weight on their back squatting,

doesnt that shit hurt your traps?
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>>41148712

when you do farmers walk do you just try to hold on until failure? I tried it with 50 lb dumbells and I kept walking back and forth in the small space I had in the gym and I felt like people thought I was retarded
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>>41148768
what's snap city like? never been
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>>41148775
hurts your whole body i'd have to guess, some pler told me it feels like you're gonna shit your organs out your ass
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>>41148789
where else would you shit something out of?
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>>41148800
on your moms face
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Yes, mixing long duration runs and heavy deadlifts damages the spine.
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>>41148645
nice hitching lol
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If you feel fine you're fine. If you can't deadlift pain free in your spine you're fucking yourself up. Length of time will only make you proportionately better or worse.
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>>41148819
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNKdSpob1D8
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>>41148849
is he wearing shoes?
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>>41148686
Steroid boy.
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>>41148819
Pretty sure he didn't hitch, though who cares? He did it with straps, so it's not like it would count in a PL comp, and in a strongman comp as long as it gets up then no one gives a fuck.
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>>41148764
Nobody would give you weird looks for doing farmers walks. Why would you care anyway? It's a good exercise.
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>>41148943
because i'm fat and self conscious and going to the gym gives me anxiety enough without people looking at me thinking i don't know what i'm doing
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>>41148664
>t. 1 yr stronglifter w/ 2 plate max diddly
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>>41148686
>no one even cares about man lifting 768 in the SERF
also those collars are the absolute worst, fucking UW madison
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>>41148951
As long as you aren't breaking gym etiquette, or look like you are hurting yourself, then people literally don't give a fuck about you. Literally no shits, they are looking at hot bitches, mirin stronk fucks, playing on their phone, or just focusing on the lifting they have to do. Being a fat or weak fuck is being literally the least noticeable thing in a gym.
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>>41148704
>has a 3 plate DL
>offering advice on 4+ plate DL
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>>41148712
how are front squats and farmer walk helping build spine health? the lever movement of the deadlift is what helps build lower back strength, i don't see how you are getting that from front squat or farmer walk, those just help build a solid core?
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>>41148704
You are retarded, mate. All of my injuries happened between the 3 and 4 plate range. Since then I've hit five plates completely injury free, and I am getting close to six plates. I feel the healthiest I have ever been because I've fixed my shit so I can pull really heavy safely. You need your hips, back, and abs to actually do their job properly if you want to deadlift heavy weight, which just so happens to also make it safe.
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>>41149004
I've always gone to the NAT and I would have never recognized this
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>>41148704
>i wouldn't go over 4 plates and i'm at 3.
Are you a woman?
Are you under 120lbs?
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>>41148787
It feels like melting fire. I'm healing right now buts it's been 5 months. Gotta look on the bright side.
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lmao @ these dyels criticizing the form of a man who deadlifts 900 fucking pounds
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>>41149004
ey man i went to highschool in madison

greg?
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>>41148775
you're pressing up like an OHP when you're in that position. this is why training OHP can actually be really helpful for your squat.
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>>41148686
imagine this was your son
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>>41149180
nah, Karl
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>>41148782
I find a spot no one's using, a good 10-20m long. Reaching the end of the path is 1 "rep", then back again for 2nd rep, keep going until failure. Note how many reps I do the first time, then I go for at least 2 more sets trying my hardest to reach/beat the previous amount of reps. By the end of it, my forearms are burning. Heavy kettlebells are also great for this, since they usually have a thicker handle, making it harder to maintain your grip which means your forearms are working that much harder. My gym's got a couple of 70lbs kettlebells no one uses, they're definitely my preferred equipment for this exercise.
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>>41148800
l2read, anon
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>>41149206
?
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>>41148645
Certainly
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>>41148686
I seriously thought I was about to watch this dude eat shit. Most of the people in the gym aren't even watching.
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>>41148704
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>>41149154
Not the same guy, but I too don't deadlift past 80 for 1 set of 5. Any more and I'll be too sore to sustain perfect posture on leg day. My squats mean more to me than my deadlifts dammit.
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>>41149451
past 80%*
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>>41149458
God you scared me for a moment there I was preparing to roast u
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>>41148808
You really shouldn't deadlift while running any distance.
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>>41149483
why?
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>>41149464
haha yeah I was expecting a couple of replies. brb let me just deadlift what I curl for hypertrophy.
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lmao at those chicken legs
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>>41148849
>Blocked in the US
I'm not used to this feel lads
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>>41148645
yes
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>>41148712
Deadlifting doesn't put a shear force on your spine, it compresses it
Shear forces are ones acting perpendicular to the length of member (I.e. your spine). If you have pelvic tilt there could be a shear force on the joint between your lower back and pelvis, but if you lift with good form it's all axial (compressive)
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>>41148787
Hell.

I'm currently in Snapcity, somehow managed to fuck up my Sciatic nerve. Moving in any way hurts with a sharp stabbing pain. If I've been sitting for a long time, sometimes when I stand back up my glute/hamstring area seizes so badly that I fold up like an accordion.

It's been months and it hasn't gotten any better. I'm starting to fear that it's permanent

Hold me /fit/
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>>41149689
your wrong
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>>41148645
>drops weight
doesn't count.
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>>41149743
Just do more and more fentanyl until the back pain goes away
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>>41149797
b...but I like my kidneys anon
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>>41148686
I would have mired so hard, those fucking dyel faggots in the back are what's wrong with modern fitness, only a Lifestyle choice and a way to project an outside image of yourself by means of consuming obsolete and outright pants on head retarded products. I hate the fitness industry and culture around it so much
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>>41148819
>t. dyel
I don't even know what's worse, the sheer faggotry, the fact that none of those guys know who Pete Rubish is or that they claim to have any idea about moving more than just bitch weight.
You don't get to 920 pounds deadlift with picture perfect form, it does not matter who you are or what you do, lifting weights is not about sterility and looking fancy, getting mired by 17 year old cardio bunnies and shooting bathtub chemicals in your ass, all that is just background noise, if you want to get strong, no matter if you're natty or not (and mind you this man pulled 700 while natty) you will have form breakdown.
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>>41149689
you are dumb, shear forces acts perpinducular but unless the force is applied completely axially there will be a shear force component (I would say the start of a deadlift you are picking up the weight at approx 45 degrees to your spine).

Draw a crude shear force diagram. It is obvious there will be a shear force on your back.
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>>41149532

Might drop them and trip on the bar.
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>>41148782
Go to a gym with proper implements and go very heavy for sets of 15-20m. Bodyweight in each hand for 20m is a good standard to aim for initially
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>>41148775
not if they're actually developed anon
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>>41149074

I did DL wrong in the beginning, then I corrected my form and my ass and hips on the side of my ass hurt like hell, but I'm almost pulling 4 plate now after 4 months lifting. Never felt close to any injury.
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>>41148645
Idk, try deadlifting and going on a long run
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>>41148645
can deadlifts shorten you?
I'm 6'3", I don't want to go to 6'2" or something
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>>41150126
Who the fuck is this guy?
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>>41151345
u one cheeky cunt m8
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>>41151314
What''s the form correction?
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>>41151366
Pete Rubish, but he's not natty
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>>41148787
Driving hurts, sitting hurts, rolling over in bed hurts.

Haven't deadlifted since, I'm too afraid.
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Those are impressive lifts, but his form isn't that great on the deads.

Realistically, you shouldn't ever injure your self. People like in OP ego lift. Obviously with fantastic results, but there is a cost. As you push past or very near your limit, your form is going to suffer and the chance you injure your self is hugely increased.

Where as if you work at 70-80 of your max, a few reps behind failure, you'll increase over time really well. Results will be slower than constantly pushing your self really hard, but your risk of injury decreases hugely.

Personally, its not about being stupid strong or massive, its about longevity.
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>>41151412
EЖЖИ
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>>41149689
someone didn't pass statics

>>41150172
this

also, the amount of shear on your lower back depends massively on your leverages

people like Pete Rubish with great levers for the deadlift will start in a far more upright position, and will not have nearly as much shear on their low back

>>41152338
he pulls 920 at 245, that's incredibly impressive, and his form is perfectly fine for a near max lift

saying you will never get injured if you stick with 70-80% is complete stupidity and shows your lack of experience lifting, many people have been injured training in those intensity ranges, and many people have been injured with no discernible breakdown in form (especially world class lifters that are lifting serious weights)

there are many ways to get injured, and blaming all injuries on "ego-lifting" is just a cope
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>>41148645
what was that at the start. did he take a sip?
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I suck at dl, can squat around 100kg with good form but can't dl more than 80kg without feeling a bit of pain in my upper back when getting to the top... not sure what i'm doing wrong.
or maybe it's the fact that i squat 3 times a week and dl only 1/2 (ss)
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>>41152388
This. I injured me neck on squats of all things because I was looking straight ahead instead of a neutral spine. Something small and simple can cause injuries. Ego lifting is just one of many.
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>>41150126
>form breakdown

and back breakdown. he will regret it
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>>41152453
It's because you're squatting heavy and then trying to DL heavy. Alternate days of heavy squats to heavy DL. So say Monday you want to squat more, do a lighter diddy. Then Wednesday, the reverse: squat 20lbs or whatever lighter and DL heavy.
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>>41148645
Only if you deadlift too frequently with heavy weight. If your core is too fatigued you may end up injuring yourself. The only danger is that of injuring yourself or lifting even when you know you should be resting.
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>>41152623
Ok I'll try that so I'll squat heavy on OHP day and light on DL day.
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>>41148764
Just put a bench on the far side of the gym and then carry some dumbbells to it. Once you get there pretend like you grabbed the wrong dumbbells and bring them back to the rack. Then quickly run out of the gym because everyone thinks you're an idiot.
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>>41148764
>how do you do it in a gym though without getting weird looks?

Why do you care? Anyone giving you weird looks doesn't know shit about lifting
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>>41150126

literally 99% of the best deadlifters hve perfect form... look at all the world record lifts
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>>41150088
try counting the mires
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>>41153250
17
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>>41148764
it just seems like the funniest exercise.
>just gonna walk around carrying these weights
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>>41148787
I don't think I've ever taken the full trip to snap city, but I almost made it. When it first happens, right in that moment, you know you fucked up. It's that first bout of shame that hurts more than anything else. After that, when the actual pain starts to set in and you start to think about how you might have to live the rest of your life in pain because of one little mistake, you really start to feel bad. My back hurt intensely for that day, greatly for the next few days, mostly for a week or 2, and the pain dulls to a throb for about a month before I stop noticing it. I consider myself very lucky with those injuries since if I could have been out of the game for the rest of my life if it were more serious.
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>>41153404
It's also pretty alpha. Farmer walks in particular really make your traps flare out, so if you're wearing a tight shirt or a tank, you look massive. I know when I first pick up those hundred pound dumbbells and start walking across the gym with them, people start miring.
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>>41148686
Is he doing a box squat? It looks like it but I see no box
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>>41153250

amazing, such skinny legs and he can do 8pl8, I struggle with 1pl8 lol
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>>41153682
Yea. It's hard to see but it's there.
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>>41153592
>100 pounds
What are you, a ten year old? Should be at least 80% of body wieght in each hand.
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>>41149206
This made me burst out laughing for some reason.
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>>41153592
> I know when I first pick up those hundred pound dumbbells and start walking across the gym with them, people start miring.
He thinks people were miring him for farmer walking with baby weight. Laughing girls.jpeg. Only using the 100's is ok if your a dyel twink but if you weigh over 160 lbs and aren't using at least the 120's no one is miring you.
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>>41153909
>>41154429
100 is the highest my gym has, nimrods.
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>>41148645
>tfw you travel right to the center of snap city and come back intact
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>>41148664

what the fuck are you talking about? His lower back isn't even rounded. Do you just say this shit to appear like you know what you're talking about?
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>>41154918
Tfw my gym only has 60s =(

S-should I steal the barbells to do farmers walks
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>>41149197
Huh. I'm gonna try that today.
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>>41148712
Front squats and farmers can lead to patellar tendon problems if you're not doing direct VMO work.
Ultimate back safe, knee safe workout is prowler, reverse lunges, split squats, reverse hyper, and front squat.
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>>41155663
No, you take multiple in your hands. Or are you a handlet?
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>>41148645
yes. I have the back of a 60 year old and am fat. but at least I hit lmao4pl8s ten years ago!
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>>41155879
Gonna bring gorilla tape and make my own now, thanks for making me insecure about my handlets
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>>41148686
respect
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>>41148645
maybe

im gonna die some day and before that i wanna look fucking great so who gives
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>>41148787
for me it just lightly hurts on day one. but the next day you wake up and can't move your midsection without intense pain. usually lasts for a week
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>>41149167
Debilitating nagging pain constantly needing your attention making you shift your weight to attempt to relieve it. I have been constantly hooking my feet into crevices under tables and pushing my spine apart with my hands on the table any chance I can get for almost a year now just to feel the relief in my spine for a moment. Sometimes I get this low bass like pop out of my upper lumbar and it feels SO good. But the pain subsides after a while and I'm deadlifting again making my way back up to the weight that snapped my shit up.
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>>41148686
what an idiot.
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>>41152609
when will this happen? he has been lifting since 13 and now is 25
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>>41150908
So hold 180 lbs in each hand?? The fuck.
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>>41148712
>t. guy that can tell you the flavor of a popsicle by sitting on it
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>>41149206
hahahaha why am i even laughing
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>>41153250
WHat the fuck. He squats eight plates and looks like he still skips leg day. Fuck this fuck legs I'm never training legs.
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>>41159028
his hamstrings are doing all the work
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>>41152609
>He will regret wanting to be the best
Ok, I bet Hercules was really mad that he died in the end of his story.
Fuck guys like you, you make me sick. He is not even living, he is burning for this shit, do you honestly think he cares about the fact that at some point in the distant future he could have a herniated disk? What the fuck is wrong with you? Spineless fucking losers like you make me sick.
Don't tell me you're lifting for the health, because then you might as well never deadlift at all you fucking faggot.
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>>41148664
>dropping weights is Le bad for you guys, time under tension, don't forget your 300 grams of protein
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>>41156044
>snapping your shit up at lmao4pl8
You were never meant to be fit anyway, you're probably a dumb person
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>>41160759
Finally someone who gets it. Too few people on here understand the concept of passion aka whatever it takes CMON. They will never amount to anything in life.
But I forget that we're on a polish seaweed counting board after all...
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>>41160785
You eat smelly doo doo.
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>>41153781
>>41159028
he does not look like he skips leg day

those are just angles, i guarantee you that when he stands up and flexes his quads they are like tree trunks
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>>41149010
>>41148951

I've never been to a gym that had space for people to do farmers walks. I mean, people can do them, but they're always getting in the way.
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>>41148692
and yet people do it into their 60s and 70s.
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>>41148712
what is spinal compression vs spinal flexion

you are actually putting more force onto your discs this way.

theyre great...but they arent better than a deadlift.
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Was it a technical error? In hindsight were you lifting with poor form? Or do you just feel like your spine failed you?
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>>41148645

Not really. I've been lifting since I was 18 (30 now). My spine is kind of fucked now but I blame getting blown up and crashing into a tree stump on a static line jump more than the constant deads. I have to do hex bar deadlifts now though
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>>41160694
>above parallel squat
>hamstrings doing all the work
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>>41148645
Dude, even I have better calves; and I'm a calisthenics guy.
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>>41161649
He has dad calves kek
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>>41149004
Did they change the equipment recently?
>2010 grad here, they never had that many/enough power racks when I was in school
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>>41148645
What do you do after sou reached Snap City. I didn't btw, but have a twisted spine because of really shitty genes and lots of core exercises end up being pretty painfull..
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>>41150126
Oh shit, nice job not proving me wrong, fuckwad.
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>>41148787
There are all sorts of suburbs in snap city, but every single one of them is hell. Broke my finger, pulled away the tendon with it. Other than that, my body's fine, I just can't fucking grip anything in one hand, so I can feel my body wasting away.
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>>41161677
>dad calves
What are those?
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>>41161722
His form is perfectly fine, upper back rounding and hitching are by no means thing that send you to snap city, neither is dropping the weight at the top of the exercise, you are just a retarded dyel who thinks he has any idea about lifting
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>>41149197
What the fuck, no you dont. That will destroy your elbows.
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>>41156113
worst part is when you try to wipe your ass but you cant
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>>41163560
What the Fuck I hate OHP now
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>>41150126
>You don't get to 920 pounds deadlift with picture perfect form
You just proved your own stupidity. Eddie Hall DL'ed 1102lbs for a world record and had perfect form.
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>>41163731
different leverages retard
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>>41163731
Eddie is so fat you can't even see the rounding desu.
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Lmao all of you cunts who say deadlifts are bad for your back are weak as fuck
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>>41149177
Bad form is bad form, regardless of the weight.

CT Fletcher's son lifts a ton of weight, too, but his form is atrocious.
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>>41155663
Use a trap bar. Some guy at my gym loads up 4 pl8s on each side and walks across the gym with it.
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>>41150126
When did he pull 700 natty? He started roiding at like 18
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>>41152683
top kek
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>>41164456
He started roiding at 20-21
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>>41148787
>>41153438

The worst thing is it just happens randomly and it's not a bulged disc my doc says.
That sharp pain shooting into your back at the top of the deadlift, you drop the weight and just feel theres something gone wrong. You're still fully mobile and try to strech and massage the area, but then you get home and as you cool down the pain gets worse and worse.
Soon you aren't able to move or sit without pain, laying down is OK but changing positions hurts like a bitch.
The pain usually gets barely noticeable for me after a week and is completely gone after 3 weeks.

I don't know what's causing this, it happend twice during light sets with perfect form now and i'm scared af to deadlift again. I think my spine must be twisted or some shit or my hips are crooked.
I've made good progress on hexbar deadlifts tho, they are easier on the spine.
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>>41165690
That sounds like a pulled muscle desu
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>>41148645
No, the deadlifts also have an effect of strengthening your back, overall, in the long run. If you do the proper form then it only yields benefits. From the neuroprotective ones of having big muscle mass, to test, and to also having actually a better and stronger back in a later age.
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>>41149743
Go see a good physical therapist. Also google 'agile 8 stretch program' and do that shit every day. After a month or two you'll feel progress as the pain goes away
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>>41149004
I remember squatting next to Pete in the SERF one time, feeling pretty good repping 255 compared to most of the bros in there who never squat. Then Pete comes in to film a youtube vid in the rack next to me, puts on 5 plates and did 15+ reps
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>>41161680
Not yet, they redid the floors and thats about it. However there's a big plan in place to build an entirely new massive SERF in the next 5ish years I think since it's ridiculously undersized for how many people use it
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>>41153781
>>41159028
you people are dumb as fuck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNmHwH11n3w
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yes, of course, how could they not?

heavy lifting will put heavy stress on your body. wear and tear is a given
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>>41149743

This has happened to me repeatedly, following a ruptured disc a few years ago (got surgery, felt 100% better immediately, but was extremely expensive fyi)

The best thing was to take an enormous amount of anti inflammatory drugs (ibuprofen), to ice it down repeatedly, and to walk as much as possible.

Long term, the only thing that gets rid of my sciatica is to do squats and dead lifts - which doesnt make any sense, but for whatever reason lifting heavy calms down the nerve.
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>>41167956
>Long term, the only thing that gets rid of my sciatica is to do squats and dead lifts - which doesnt make any sense, but for whatever reason lifting heavy calms down the nerve

are you me? in fact heavy compounds works the muscles around the nerve and you gain stability, thasts why those are good for sciastica + a hell of stretching




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