>>76830933
>loses all the muscle and some fat in the process

There is a reason all those ozempic celebrities look like Fallout ghouls.

Nigga some of us can do this without taking anything.

>>76830933
Going days without eating anything and subsequently forcing yourself to eat something isn't very /fit/. I think you have the wrong board, anon.

>>76830933
Weed and coffee does that for me

Thinking about future of my species does that for me.

>>76830933
I literally excercised for 2 months and ate less for a few days and lost several pounds. Wtf you need a shot for ?

>>76830933
I achieved the same just by fasting 36 hours twice a week. Gets your hunger hormones under control without any jew drugs,

>>76830933
People are seething but we're in this together, fatbro. Being able to ignore fatty cravings and to only eat when you actually need to is a blessing.

>>76831127
based

>>76830933
"but thats cheating!!"
>take the zeppy, lose weight anyway
"so unhealthy for you!"
>keep taking zeppy, keep losing weight, can finally move better and do healthy things
"but you gonna lose muscle D:"
>lift a little, protien and veg diet, keep taking zeppy, keep losing weight
"but just eat less"
>thats not how this works, something is broken in you, take zeppy, get better

I have singlehandedly watched 3 mega obese family members die and another lose a foot like faggots in denial about how they could have saved themselves. I took the zeppy. I can now run. I can now work out because mobility isnt an issue. I will outlive the obeasts in my entire family who refuse to do anything about their situation and some cranky homo on /fit/ is gonna seethe about it and Im supposed to care? lmao fuck off.
If youre fat, take the god damned zeppy. Fix your relationship with food and live.

>tfw I wasnt even fat but a raging alcoholic and I'm now getting invited again to christmas this year by my sister
I dont fuxking care what anyone says, tirzepatide is amazing

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>>76831127
A Thinker in the modern world. A rare breed.

>>76830933
>having to take drugs to stay thin
Lmao

>>76830933
Junkie thread, can’t trust people with opioids in their blood

>>76831555
post body

I am happy you have lost fat, but you took a shortcut and you will not have the same short-medium term results as people who did it the natural way

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I'm on Zepbound. I don't want to be on this but I cannot put my fucking fork down. I know it's a cheat code and I don't buy chips or shit like that anymore I just hope I don't instantly gain all the weight back when I stop taking it.

>>76830933
I think the main issue with this, is that those taking it won't learn anything

If you never learn about nutrition and portion control - learn how to eat like a normal person - all the weight is gonna pack straight back on as soon as you come off

It's the same as people who take steroids day 1 of gym, they become reliant on juice because they never learn how to eat and train right to get gains, so as soon as they come off they deflate right back down to pathetic dyels. Meanwhile those who lift for 5+ years natty and actually know what the fuck they're doing keep most of the gains when they come off

>>76832339
as long as you are open about it then I have more respect for it.

Its like steroids, its obviously a shortcut, so misleading people about it is shitty.

Remember anon, you have to improve your lifestyle etc too ;)

>>76831578
I have a theory that 95% of fat people are some level of alcoholic. Nobody is eating all those calories.

>>76832343
You are assuming that anon is not combining the medicine with calorie counting, activity and a healthy diet. Why?

>>76831555
>>76830933
post cursed physiques
t lost it natty

>>76830933
I can't wait until this stupid fad passes and we don't have a thousand of these threads a day.

>>76832394
Because the average human is dumb as fuck, especially fat asses

>>76831064
Deliberately misconstruing how things operate and making up scenarios isn't very honest, Maybe you want the random board.

>>76831249
Food cravings aren't hard to handle unless you have an easy life and never experienced discomforts of any sort. I do sometimes envy fat people when I listen to them say how hard it is to stop eating. I wish those were the problems that I have face.

>>76832472
As a fatfuck, for me it was just a comfort that was easy to get.

>>76832472
fatties are really just druggos

instead of heroin, they abuse goyslop to treat their spiritual wounds

>>76832472
>>76832495
This kind of retarded thinking is why I'll never tell anyone I'm on Zepbound.

>>76832394
That drug is just an appetite suppressant not a fat burner bro, it doesn't literally melt fat off you, it causes you to lose weight just because you stop eating. So if anon was eating good and exercising why would he even be on it?

>>76832429
Lol, I've heard so many people at work who are on that shit complaining about how expensive it is. Why not just eat clean and go to gym? Gym memberships are cheap as fuck and it's legitimately remarkable how little you'll find you spend on food when you eat clean

>>76832559
>So if anon was eating good and exercising why would he even be on it?
It corrects insulin resistance which is something everyone misses. This has a massive effect.

>>76832568
>It corrects insulin resistance
by producing more insulin, reducing blood sugar and by decreasing hunger (which reduced the intake of food)
its not magic, you could do the same thing with fasting for freeeeeeee

>>76832682
fasting nukes your muscles chud

>>76832712
then just abstain from carbs?
there are a thousand options for betterment

>>76832682
I tried for years. a few injections changed my life forever. if it were easy then nobody would be fat. this is a life changing drug no matter what you think of it. it saves lives.

>>76832753
>if it were easy then nobody would be fat
it is easy, you're just stupid
>it saves lives
It's great for the dumbfucks who used to get gastro-intestinal surgeries, far less invasive.
but medicine is done on the balance of harms, these big fat fuckers are less harmed by ozempic vs continued obesity, for everyone not morbidly obese, its not worth it.

Imagine being reliant on a drug rather than developing the most simple of lifestyle improvements? pussy

>>76832753
ngmi desu

>>76832770
>>76832774
Im fit for the first time in my life. I dont really give a fuck what you think. my mom died at the age of 52 from a heart attack and thanks to glp1 drugs, i wont. fuck all of you.

Your mother was stupid too btw.

>>76832780
post your body then

>>76832780
post body faggot

>>76832806
wait until someone you care about dies. there isnt anything I wouldnt do to have 5 minutes with her you cunt.

>>76832831
body hasn't been posted u look like shit btw shouldve just killed urself t bh

>>76832831
You could have sewn her mouth shut.
That would have helped

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>>76832839
mfw

>>76832863
cope fatty

>>76831136
I took reta for a month and lost 20 pounds

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Honestly wish this was around about 10 years ago. I instead took DNP and almost killed myself and now I have cataracts

>>76832831
>there isnt anything I wouldnt do to have 5 minutes with her you cunt.

except stop eating without the jew injection hahahahaha fucking retard

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>>76830933
Wow I am so happy that this medicine was invented.
Once it becomes easily available and can be produced cheaply, we will only have skinny people running around.
[spoiler]Also, why does it matter if people will go back to their former weight once they get off it? They can just take it for the rest of their lives and not worry about their weight anymore.[/spoiler]

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>>76831047
I've been on a 1000 calorie deficit for over a month now and it's been too easy.
I just drink a Monster White in the morning and don't eat anything until lunch and then have dinner in the evening.
Also, If you don't use the semiglutide jew you are free to have cheat days when you go out with friends and still have a caloric deficit week after week.

>>76832806
>/fit/

>>76832472
That's stupid
Addiction to food can be a cope from trauma.

>>76834513
Miss me with that gay shit nigga

guys my sister went on ozempic and turned into a lizard but she didn't lose any weight. are you sure this shit works.

>>76834692
What type of lizard?

>>76834725
a gila monster.

>>76830933
I tried asking my doctor to give me one but apparently you need to be a fatass with the BMI of 40 to get it.
>be overweight
>ask to get help
>get denied
>eat yourself up until you're obese
>finally get help
Fuck the NHS

>>76834781
there are plenty of places online that you can buy legit stuff from and its not that expensive.

>>76834791
>there are plenty of places online that you can buy legit stuff from and its not that expensive.
I ordered some Rx stuff outside of the EU\UK back in 2020 and it got held up by the customs. Naturally I never picked it up. I don't want to get into another of these situations.

>>76830933
Why not 16-8 intermittent fast and reduce sugar/carbs/TDEE for $0?

>>76834781
How far is your BMI off 40? It might honestly be worth just dirty bulking till you're at 40 BMI and do a fuck ton of strength training on the way there

>>76834781
I pay £160/month

>>76834920
>How far is your BMI off 40?
uh it's 26

>>76834946
Nigger you don't need weight loss drugs then lmao. You could literally get into healthy BMI range with a 48 hour fast

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>>76830933
Been on this shit for a couple months.
It works.
Don't fall for the pharmajew of going up in dose every week.

>>76834971
Why do you need to inject yourself with chemicals just to stop eating? I don't doubt it works, but I think just not eating like a hog also works and is free.

I was doing a 2000 calorie deficit without drugs, and I still ate 1500 calories a day.

I cardiomaxxed, I went so hard my hair was falling out(It's getting better now).

People who need drugs to do a 1000 calorie deficit are funny.

>>76834974
Well, if i had to guess, probably depression.
People don't willfully get fat because it sounds like a fun time. I was dopamine starved and getting my fix from kitkats and energy drinks. Now I'm not.
And surely that's better for everyone.

>>76830933
disgusting bobble heads

>>76834955
you don't get it. I have a huge ass belly and I get cravings still. Workout can't fix this. Believe me I tried. It's cheaper to get the goddamn shot than join a gym and sit on my ass with a gym membership getting zero progress.

>>76831047
>>76831038
>>76831238
>The wignat proud of /fit/ so reactionary and retarded they've become essentially aome superstitious African tribal skeptical of antthing not directly pulled out of the ground or made from cow dung

These same people claim superiority due to the achievements of white scientists and thinkers. When did white science become Jewish? Lmfao

>>76835054
Science is scary because god or something.
God also being the one who made science and human's ability to explore it.

>>76831555
Happy for you anon. Don't fall back into that pit again.

I'll have to hop on semaglutide for reasons unrelated to weight loss
tbqh I'm a bit worried about muscle loss, hope that hitting close to my macros won't fuck it up too much

>>76831555
Does it actually "fix your relationship with food," though? I mean, if you stop taking it, are your eating habits permanently better or do they just regress back to what they were?

>>76835102
Insofar as being slimmer means your body feels like it doesn't need as much food, yeah.
Insofar as seeing a cake and thinking "That looks great, I'm going to eat the whole thing", no.

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OP is correct and I continually find it difficult to articulate why to those who haven't taken a GLP-1. Life feels extremely easy on this medication in contrast to the focus and discipline that methods like fasting demand.

The $350 a month I pay feels entirely justified when I know the amount of focus and mental bandwidth weight loss takes up when you go the natty route like >>76834977 - I don't want to spend nearly every waking moment thinking about how I need to not eat, beating myself up for what I had for dinner the day before, I want to enjoy laying in bed at noon on a Sunday thinking about literally anything else.

Ultimately it's up to you and your resources and how you want to spend them, but I love life on this medication, if only because of how much I've gotten back not ever having to think about food.

I lost 20 pounds on ozempic and then it just literally 100% stopped working. Just one day my appetite went back to normal completely.

I could get trizepitide but im sure the same thing would happen.

>>76834977
I think you are retarded if you don't get it. Most of us can do a deficit for a period of time. To lose weight and keep it off you need to maintain a diet for life. Thats the hard part almost nobody can do it. I have quit smoking cold turkey and shit like this. I am not weak willed but just being hungry for the rest of your life requires a near infinite amount of willpower.

>>76835201
Ya.
Most people who are fat, are at least somewhat depressed. Because being fat is depressing. The addition of then being concerned with weight loss and beating yourself up for it, stressing over it and all that shit for months to over a year of your life is fucking exhausting.

>>76830933
so thats all it does? I thought it was some miracle fat burning potion. You shouldnt need a drug to be able to resist hunger. Thats a discipline problem.

>>76835469
You don't understand discipline or how willpower works

>>76835472
you better be sub 15% body fat and in solid shape at 33+ if youre the one telling me that.

>>76831038
>loses all the muscle
If you are doing this with a doctor's supervision they will tell you to lift while you're taking it and to eat a high protein diet to avoid losing muscle as much as humanly possible.

And obviously losing muscle is inevitable when you are losing weight, so using this as a talking point just shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

>>76834356
>Also, why does it matter if people will go back to their former weight once they get off it?
That does not happen with this drug. Which is why it is a big deal. We've always had obesity drugs with gigantic rebound effect, but there is no rebound with this, hence why it is a breakthrough.

>>76835469
It does more than just helping resist hunger. It is indeed partially a "fat burning potion".

>>76835477
No I just have a deeper understanding of this issue. Willpower is a finite resource. That which you devote to not eating is willpower which could have otherwise been used on making your life better in some other way. Any time you can find a way to conserve your willpower its worth doing. Using a drug to remove hunger is just good for you if there is no side effect. You wouldn't tell someone suffering from any other condition to not seek to fix it and instead "develop the willpower" to work through constant headaches or tooth pain or whatever the fuck just because its theoretically possible to overcome and ignore these unwanted signals form your body.

>>76835479
>It does more than just helping resist hunger. It is indeed partially a "fat burning potion".
It literally isn't. It just effects hunger and satiation.

>>76835494
almost everyone loves food. Sadly for me, I love ice cream, chocolate bars, waffles with syrup, churros, and very bread-heavy desserts. I have to physically resist from only eating this crap for breakfast lunch and dinner. I wasnt doing it and Ive had a diabetes scare recently. But ive managed to mostly control the urge, especially when my health and ultimately, life could be on the line. I do understand. You understand it, I understand it. It can be done. IMO your willpower theory is a cop-out. Well probably agree to disagree on that.

>>76831047
Congratulations, you don't have chronic obesity

>>76835558
Its not entirely a theory I just came up with. I was actually counter-intuitive to me in that it functions way more like a video game than I would have believed that reality behaves. But what studies that have been done on this show willpower as a PHYSICAL thing in the brain. The frontal lobe which is exercising judgement is expending energy in order to "over ride" other parts of the brain and it can become physically exhausted of the requisite energy when taxed too much.

Some physical adaptation is surely going to occur but there is certainly a limit to this. And when they did the "marshmallow test" on children which indirectly measures willpower, it seems to be very consistent through life and highly predictive of outcomes into adulthood.

>>76830933
I can’t believe you guys are dumb enough to test this starvation drug for the jews. There’s a good chance this shit ends up in the general food supply in our lifetimes

>>76835582
There will be an arms race between the hunger increasing jews and the hunger decreasing jews fighting for our money. As we speak the junk food industry is devising countermeasures and ways to addict you more strongly than before so that GLPs can be overcome

how cool is that

>>76830933
>lose all your muscle because you blocked the body's reaction to you starving
you don't need this unless you are obese and if you want it you're a freak with body dysmorphia

>>76835587
Selling a solution to the problem they already sold you is the essence they call progress. Jacques Ellul has written on this topic extensively.

I bought 30 mg of reta, T3, clen, HGH, sibutramine (along with TRT). I'm already 105 kg lean. This cut is going to be insane

>>76835611
>he forgot the meth

ngmi

>>76835505
You're probably a CICO drone that does not realize calories are not created equal. Hormones impact how you burn fat.

>>76835642
Oh yeah, which ones?

>>76834926
you are like cattle lmao

>>76834992
oh my god, do you have 0 dicipline?
you absolute puss boy

>>76835064
>>76835054
nice strawman, retards

>>76835201
>Life feels extremely easy on this medication in contrast to the focus and discipline that methods like fasting demand.
Utter cowardice to demand the happy drug rather than bettering your life

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>>76830933
I've been on 2.5 mg for just a little over 5 weeks and ive already lost 10,5 kgs. This is the first time in my life i literally have to track my macros to make sure I'm eating enough. My crave for eating is also totally gone, it truly is a cheat drug. My doctor said i probably wont have to increase my dosage if I keep this up. Life is good, we're all gonna make it brahs

>>76835945
>we're all gonna make it brahs
that phrase is reserved for people actually working for their results, pussy

>>76835938
Making yourself not fat is bettering your life though.
Niggas have this weird bushido spirit to losing weight for some reason. Who the fuck cares? Who are you competing with? It's like going into a gym and being all like.
>Heh. What a fucking pussy. Using a bench and lifting weights?
>Cowardice, using Jewish-made machines to engineer perfect weights for you to get your gains?
>Just go out into the field and pick up rocks bro. It's not hard.

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>>76835948
No it's not. Its reserved for those who make it, get your stoic head out of your ass

>>76835949
>Niggas have this weird bushido spirit to losing weight for some reason

Yeah. Imagine if we were talking about tooth pain and some anon is like "if you go to a dentist you are a PUSSY. I fight through the pain of my rotting teeth every day. Its not NATURAL to get your teeth fixed, fighting through the pain is FREE and it means you are a MAN"

>>76835949
>Making yourself not fat is bettering your life though.
yes, but doing it via actual lifestyle improvements is far far better, both in terms of results and spiritually.
>Niggas have this weird bushido spirit to losing weight for some reason. Who the fuck cares? Who are you competing with?
you're competing with yourself, ergo, you are cheating yourself with artificial results

The rest of your argument is a strawman.

My issue with ozempigs is the demand for respect despite having done nothing worthy of respect.
You muted your hunger with something artificial, that isnt an acheivement.

>>76835964
strawman argument
obesity and toothache are not the same thing, different mechanisms, different solutions

>>76835973
>yes, but doing it via actual lifestyle improvements is far far better, both in terms of results and spiritually.
Do you think people on GLP medications are just eating as much as they used to and then by magic thermodynamics aren't occurring and they're losing weight?

>you're competing with yourself, ergo, you are cheating yourself with artificial results
Yeah, like going to the gym. It's not natural. There's no gyms in nature. It's artificial. Go into a field. Pick up rocks. Stop cheating yourself.

kys ozemppic tards lmao ngmi

>>76835961
what part of "going to" means now?
wgmi is about future goals and the path to achieving them
its not for people who make it, its for those striving to do so

>>76835978
>Do you think people on GLP medications are just eating as much as they used to and then by magic thermodynamics aren't occurring and they're losing weight?
no, dumbfuck, I KNOW they are muting their hunger, rather than learning to cope with it
its avoidance and its cowardly

>Yeah, like going to the gym. It's not natural. There's no gyms in nature. It's artificial. Go into a field. Pick up rocks. Stop cheating yourself.
This argument is invalid, your muscles don't care if they are lifting a rock or not.
The stimulation of those muscles, whatever the method, involved fighting discomfort to obtain a result, something you probably dont understand.
Gyms provide specific equipment and support for exercise, but its not a magic room, you have to actually work hard, again, which I doubt you understand.

>>76835993
Alright coward. Go use your jewish machines to avoid the pain and personal development of experiencing chronic muscle pain and getting over it.
I bet you sleep on a fucking mattress too.

Faggot.

>>76836006
what is your arguemnt here?
Go do a serious workout in the most comfy gym and it will hurt
machine or rock, hard work is hard work

you dont understand that as you advocate taking drugs to avoid the pain of, um, being hungry temporarilly

>I bet you sleep on a fucking mattress too.
so do you, im not taking drugs though

>Faggot.
no UwU

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>>76836006
Holy cornball, are you like this in real life too? I genuinely feel bad for you.

>>76830933
uh i would def eat protein and lift big dawg

>>76835975
Its the same shit. I am making fun of you for not understanding that. Two problems associated with modernity teeth problems and obesity. Two solutions also associated with modernity, dentistry and pharmaceuticals. You are retarded for thinking its different.

>>76836049
>>76836049
>Its the same shit.
An individual cannot fix their own dental issues without the aid of a medical professional.
They may be able to prevent them via lifestyle and hygene though.

An individual, with no tools or resources, CAN fix their obesity.
And they can prevent it with lifestyle improvements.

It is not the same, stop making analogies, ozempig.

>>76835945
Based. Been on 2.5mg for 2 weeks now. I had been on a plateau for almost a year now and already broke it. I went from obese to overweight through just sheer will, now this based drug will take me to normal BMI just a few weeks. It will be the first time since being a child that I will be at a normal BMI. I'm 32 and still have some youth left thank God. I cannot fucking believe it.

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>>76836091
>I'm 32 and still have some youth left thank God
do we tell him?

GLP1 agonists will make a lot of people seethe for a long time. They make it a huge part of their lives believing obesity is a lack of willpower and discipline, these drugs are shattering the reality they've constructed for so many years. It's fucking hilarious.

>>76836093
Yep, 20~30 years left thereabouts.

>>76836096
>believing obesity is a lack of willpower and discipline
it is
>these drugs are shattering the reality they've constructed for so many years
actually the drugs just sidestep the willpower and dicipline

ozempictards look like shit they never post body lmao enjoy being blind hahahahah

>take 2.5mg Mounjaro
>it's a revelation not wanting to eat
>wears off after a while
>take 5mg trying to chase it
>still not the same
I'm gonna have to go the whole 15mg, aren't I?

>>76836097
not even close lmao
you wasted your only useful years, please exit

>>76836086
So the principle you believe in is that you should only use modern solutions to solve the problems modernity creates when you don’t have other options? So like you yourself wouldn’t use fluoride toothpaste to protect your teeth from sugar right? You are eating purely as a caveman would have eaten and just rubbing your teeth with tree bark right? Or are you too weak to integrate a natural lifestyle and instead relying on scientific shortcuts?

Btw fearing analogies and never accepting analogies is the hallmark of the unintelligent. The intelligent love to use analogies because it’s the most efficient way to convey nuanced ideas

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>>76836096
its intellect too

>>76836102
Thank you for proving my point. Seethe more, retard.

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>>76836121
Your point was that GLP drugs somehow mean that obesity has nothing to do with a lack of willpower.

This is false.

The existance of GLP drugs, that blunt hunger, proves that obesity is due to poor impluse control.

>>76836119
You know this is just a race chart right?

>>76836126
absolute bullshit. Only like 5% of fats are able to stop being fat long term. If its a willpower problem then the threshold of willpower is impossibly high anyway.

>>76836096
Obesity is absolutely a consequence of having low impulse control and poor willpower.

Fat hands typed this message

>>76836189
>Only like 5% of fats are able to stop being fat long term.
those are the smarter ones
>if its a willpower problem then the threshold of willpower is impossibly high anyway.
it seems impossibly high when you are a dumbfuck
how hard is it to put the fork down?

How fat/stupid are you to consider not eating to be an insurmountable challenge?

>>76830933
What happens when you stop taking it?

>>76836206
"That's the beauty of it, they can't"
- Pharma slime

>>76836206
Who cares. Why would I stop taking something that makes me thin and healthy?

>>76836218
>Why would I stop taking something that makes me thin and healthy?
better question, why do you think you need drugs to be thin and healthy

>>76836206
According to studies, the exact same thing if you stop any other kind of diet or weight loss program.

>>76836230
You know you can maintain a healthy weight?
Its not binge or purge, there is a middle ground

lifestyle change isnt temporary, you have to do it for life

I'm on Abilify for schizophrenia and ever since I started taking it I compulsively binge eat. Whether it's an effect of the medication or just depression associated with needing to take Abilify that compulsion is still there. The Mounjaro has put a stop to that. For that reason, I love it.

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>>76836234
congrats on using a GLP drug for a useful purpose
godspeed anon, I hope your schizo stuff gets better

>>76836221
I failed to do it for 25 years without it.

>>76836241
why anon?

Anons' thoughts on using this stuff as someone who is already deep into bodybuilding? I've cut and bulked several times over the past few years and tried 3mg a week retatrutide during my last cut. I was able to drop 20 pounds in a month effortlessly. No muscle loss, just felt tired for a month while I ate between 1200-1800 calories a day and did a reduced lifting program. Never had such a quick and painless cut. Only side effects were very minor nausea and sensitive skin, especially my calves. First week of bulking after my appetite was a bit blunted, but it's already feeling just about normal 2 weeks off.

>>76836247
turn in your natty card anon

>>76836252
natty? i've been doing testosterone and sometimes anavar for years.

>>76836231
You know a lot of that shit is pushed by weight loss companies so they can sell you on therapy, group memberships and programs, right?

Weight loss is a huge industry, and you're being kinda retarded not to consider the massive social pressure to do it "Pure" may in fact be a marketing gimmick.

>>76836255
Well, you're also going to a gym.
No gyms in nature bro.

>>76836195
>how hard is it to put the fork down?
its so high that only 5% can do it lol

Imagine thinking you are smart when you are completely misinterpreting your own chart. It doesn say smart people are able to lose weight. It says people who are thin tend to have higher. As other anon pointed out this is essentially a race chart. Look at the black white and asian obesity charts. And then IQ charts.

I also question whether you have any life experience because there are fat fucks who are brilliant out there

>>76836259
oh i dont lift. i just take steroids.

>>76836246
im always hungry except when im on glp-1 drugs and then i barely even care to eat at all.

>>76836260
>It doesn say smart people are able to lose weight
Im not referencing the chart, Im talking about the 5% of fat fucks who lose and keep it off

>>76836257
I don't care, everything that can be profitable is marketed, be that gyms or being some pharma piggie.

>>76836263
because you are weak minded

>>76836255
oh my

>>76836261
Based.

>>76836269
>Im not referencing the chart, Im talking about the 5% of fat fucks who lose and keep it off

I bet you anything IQ is not strongly correllated. Its probably people who only got fat in the first place due to a specific type of emotional eating they were able to deal with the underlying cause psychologically. I bet that for people who over eat because their brain won't stop sending hunger impulses like none of them lose weight long term. You cannot defy gravity forever you cant ignore your bodies impulses forever. Most people in here cant even go a week without fapping. Even fit ones and even the highly intelligent. More intelligence just increases ones ability to rationalize at some point.

>>76836279
>I bet you anything IQ is not strongly correllated.
cope
>Its probably people who only got fat in the first place due to a specific type of emotional eating they were able to deal with the underlying cause psychologically.
possibly
> I bet that for people who over eat because their brain won't stop sending hunger impulses like none of them lose weight long term.
only if they arent smart enough to out-rationalise it
if you feel hungry all the time, that isnt hunger, it cant be
I am one of these people.
>You cannot defy gravity forever you cant ignore your bodies impulses forever.
you don't have to, you just have to act rationally
>Most people in here cant even go a week without fapping.
>Even fit ones and even the highly intelligent.
irrelevant
>More intelligence just increases ones ability to rationalize at some point.
This is true, there are many intelligent people who are great at rationalising what is objectievly bad.
Although I consider these people to be intellectual, they are not smart.

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>taking drugs for weight loss is bad
>taking drugs for hair-loss is bad
>taking drugs for muscle gains is based

why is this board like this?

>>76836292
The fuck you rating anyone's intelligence for when you can't understand analogies?

>>76836308
Science is scary and against god or something.

>>76836309
I don't like analogies as they are not directly representative.

They can be useful in learning/understanding, but not in discussions imo.

I prefer discussing things directly

>>76836308
>why is this board like this?
I dont care abouthairloss drugs, but the other two are objectievly cheating etc

>>76836315
strawman

>>76836321
>I don't like analogies as they are not directly representative.

>They can be useful in learning/understanding, but not in discussions imo.

>I prefer discussing things directly

Holy fucking midwit. Analogies cut through the bullshit details that derail discussion and force people to talk about actual principles. Without them you have to make infinite clarifications and we will be typic massive books to eachother like Redditors

>Analogies cut through the bullshit details that derail discussion and force people to talk about actual principles
You don't need analogies to do this.

>Without them you have to make infinite clarifications and we will be typic massive books to eachother like Redditors
see above

>>76836321
Holy fuck you're stupid.
Maybe spend less time at the gym and go to a library or something, god damn.
Or are libraries cheating too? Maybe just sit and meditate, I don't know.

>>76836308
I'm neutral in the topic but when it comes to weight loss vs steroids it's pretty obvious. Weight loss is something you can do easily without drugs, it just boils down to not eating and exercising. You can calculate a caloric deficit and stick to it and it's guaranteed to work if your calculations were not too far off. Drugs don't even help lose weight faster or more gracefully, they're just a way to bypass your shitty self control.
Roids, however, help achieve levels of musculature, performance and strength that are beyond what you could attain without them even with the tightest discipline. So they're not really comparable.

>>76836341
what is your argument here?
I see insults but no argument

>>76836347
Why would he argue with someone so retsrded that they make the point that an analogy is not directly the thing being analogized. That is literally the “but I did eat breakfast” meme

You lost your argument or being taken serious privileges

>>76836351
But I did eat breakfast?

>>76836351
I didnt say that, I said I dont like using them because they arent direct.
I prefer talking directly about the subject or the principles of the subject.

Debating an analogy is stupid

>>76835667
Insulin primarily but also glucagon, epinephrine, and cortisol

>>76836353
>Debating an analogy is stupid

It is. People arguing in good faith will try to understand the point being made by the analogy. You argue in bad faith and want to challenge them. You are a colossal faggot who thinks he is in debate club on 4chan

>>76836357
>understand the point being made by the analogy
you mean "ignore the gaping flaws in the analogy"
>You argue in bad faith and want to challenge them.
because analogies are subsititues for people who cant describe the principles of their arguments.
we use analogies to teach, to bridge gaps in understanding, so I assume people who use them as arguments just lack the understanding desu
(or are intellectually dishonest)

>You are a colossal faggot who thinks he is in debate club on 4chan
what are we here to do on a forum other than debate?
go talk to a mirror if you don't want your ideas or statements debated

>>76836362
The crux of the issue is that you seem too stupid to understand anyone else's point of view.
People have compared situations to your own by making analogies in order to help you understand.
Unfortunately, you are too stupid to understand those either.

>>76836364
I understand their point of view, but I do not agree with their point of view.

No amount of arguments is going to make me agree with something I, by my logic, consider to be lazy etc.

>>76830933
>just pay money to take a drug that will remove the pleasure from one of the pleasurable things in life instead of having some selfcontrol, goyim.
smell that delicious steak? feel nauseous? wanna puke your guts out? that's good. totally normal response and totally worth the money and the injections to achieve this. this is what normal people do.
you'd probably chop you dick off it it made you stop thinking homosexual thoughts too.

>>76836370
Analogies take a much better mind to generate than to tear down. I think you don't like them because you don't have the mental horse power to do the cross referencing and find a good analogy. Anon who made the whole tooth paste/ozempic analogy utterly destroyed you to the point that you stopped responding lol

>>76836370
Well you would say that. You're a lazy piece of shit who uses unnatural means to get fit. Good luck with the lead in those supplements bro.

>>76836379
>Analogies take a much better mind to generate than to tear down.
pure semantics lmao
> I think you don't like them because you don't have the mental horse power to do the cross referencing and find a good analogy
No, I argue principles and the subject, because thats always better than an analogy.
>Anon who made the whole tooth paste/ozempic analogy utterly destroyed you to the point that you stopped responding lol
I didnt see their reply. I will respond.

>>76836380
The primary debate here has been about willpower and GLP drugs anon.
Not about natural/unnatural.

>>76836116
>So the principle you believe in is that you should only use modern solutions to solve the problems modernity creates when you don’t have other options?
No. Its not about modern/old, its about not cheating as it doesnt actually improve 'base' you.
Im having like 3 convos right now so its hard to keep track, my main point is; I think substitutes for hard work or willpower are bad.
> So like you yourself wouldn’t use fluoride toothpaste to protect your teeth from sugar right?
>You are eating purely as a caveman would have eaten and just rubbing your teeth with tree bark right?
>Or are you too weak to integrate a natural lifestyle and instead relying on scientific shortcuts?
see above

>Btw fearing analogies and never accepting analogies is the hallmark of the unintelligent.
not fear, dislike, as I have already said, people end up debating an analogy, i prefer direct discussion of the subject or principles
>The intelligent love to use analogies because it’s the most efficient way to convey nuanced ideas
analogies are used to bridge gaps in understanding, so I assume if you aregue with an analogy that you either cant defend your argument or dont understand what you are talking about.

maybe you need to be slightly smart to understand or make an analogy
I think its far smarter, and frankly better, to directly discuss the principles at hand

>>76836342
weight loss isn't easy though otherwise more people would be successful with it. You have to deal with hunger all day, everyday for months.

Most people who roid don't start on it when they've reached their max natty limit. They jump on it early to get faster progress and don't care about becoming as big as possible. They just want to look muscular and lean.

>>76836410
people want a shortcut to everything
its understandable, but these things very rarely have any permenance, especially when the shortcut is removed

I’ve been considering talking to my doctor about getting on this stuff. Is it worth it? I don’t want to be on it forever but just as a tool to help jump start fat loss. I know there’s a whole lifestyle component that goes with keeping permanent results. I’m a sedentary fuck which is my main hurdle. I plan to incorporate walking and lifting but havent yet figured out what’s keeping me from the gym. Suspect it’s a skill/confidence/anxiety issue, but taking the damn shot for a bit and seeing results might help to boost my confidence and get me started. Should I do it?

>>76836410
>weight loss isn't easy though
I mean it's something you can put in a calculator and is pretty much guaranteed to lose. Granted it isn't easy for all just like quitting an addiction is difficult, but a lot of us are bulking and cutting every year without external aid. While it is difficult for some, it's something that everyone is capable of doing. Everyone can possibly not eat I mean there's nothing outrageous about it.

>Most people who roid don't start on it when they've reached their max natty limit. They jump on it early to get faster progress
Yeah but still faster progress is impossible otherwise. Drugs don't make you leaner faster otherwise there's an argument. They just make it easier. How do I lose weight as fast as possible? By not eating and following an adequate training regime. How do I get jacked the fastest? By roiding.
I also know people who roided and just did random bullshit at the gym while staring at their phones just to go from subhuman to normal looking. Those guys are pretty pathetic imo cause they could've just trained harder to get there and instead fucked up their hormones for it. But the argument to be made is that roids allow for something that is impossible otherwise, whereas weight loss drugs just bypass a component of the process without pushing the boundaries of what's possible otherwise at all.

>>76836422
>Is it worth it?
height, weight, age, now

>>76836427
6’2 on a good day, (Like 6’1 9”), 308, 31. I don’t really have an excuse bro.

>>76836433
I don't think you are a good candidate for any GLP etc drugs.
I think you should improve your lifestyle.

These drugs should be a last resort for the sick and the stupid imo.

>>76836422
>what’s keeping me from the gym
you don't need a gym
getting to/from the gym is a huge barrier
you could lose the majorityt of your excess fat via a sensible kcal defecit, plenty protein, good sleep and basic exercises.

>>76836437
Fair on the candidacy and agreed on lifestyle. A lot of my family is on the stuff, so it was worth the ask. Walking starts this week. Lifting hopefully the same. I made good progress previously but then fell off the wagon. Goal is to start doing the shit I used to enjoy doing again.

>>76836444
Yep, I used to do a lot of hiking and walking beforehand and made good progress previously. Pretty sure it’s a case of social anxiety or a case of retardation. My work has an on on-site gym with weights, so I don’t really have a good excuse as to why I haven’t gone. Sleep is another one.

>>76836447
godspeed anon, remember, you will need to be strong and avoid things that don't server your goals

the good news is that its easier to stay fit/slim than to get there

this: >>76836444 was my comment too

idk your living situation, but gyms can be good for specialist stuff,
maybe a couple of dedicated days, but if you can do something at home, its so so so much easier to just do it at home.

>>76836461
>My work has an on on-site gym with weights
YOU LUCKY BOY
use it!

>>76836461
>My work has an on on-site gym with weights
what equipment does it have?

if you can progressievly train yourself to do pullups and then get a pull up bar for home, that would be good

>>76836463
>>76836464
Hell yeah, thanks anon. Might try to go tomorrow. I’ve got to train for Mongolia next year so they don’t think Buddha has returned.

>>76836418
I agree, but don't get mad at weight loss drugs but praise sterioids. The weight loss drugs actually help society so who cares.

>>76836467
Not sure desu. From the looks of it, it’s pretty kitted. Idk if it’s mostly machines or has an actual barbell setup. Only one way to find out.

>>76836475
>The weight loss drugs actually help society
I think this is dubious
We arent learning anything for the long term.

>>76836426
many people attempt to bulk and cut every year without aid but how many actually reach their goals?

>>76836478
does your work have pictures of the gym online?
Im really curious

Ive got a good friend of mine works in tech (UK) and his workplace has a kinda shitty gym but its so useful to have something, even just for cardio

>>76836422
>Is it worth it?
Well, yeah. It makes you stop feeling hungry.

>>76836483
Not that I’m aware of. Their intranet be shit. I’ll try to grab a pic tomorrow.

>>76836482
Plenty of them. Me and both of my brothers are in fantastic shape and we've never touched a thing. And it's not like we're perfect and free of vice, but we value fitness and take care of it like normal people.

well well well mounjaro fags still havent post body i accept ur concessions