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This thread is about the appreciation of horology, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make a fine watch, clock, or other timepiece.

>Required Viewings For Papists:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrMUFP8Fx1w

>Strap Guide:
http://pastebin.com/SwRysprE

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>>60376000
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Phirst for collections
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1940s world timer clock spotted in a thrift store yesterday.
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>>60392438
I wonder how many of those places changed timezones since then.
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>>60392438
>works
pretty damn cool. for $50 i'd say you should have gotten it, but $120 is a bit steep. i'd love to see the movement.
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Are there any manual wind or automatic watches with digital displays only?
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>>60392202
Wheres the black one? fucking racist
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>tfw Raketa was top-tier in watch design
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is there anything wrong with the sarb033? I'm a student and want a nice watch till i can afford a rolex.
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>>60392741
A Lange & Söhne Zeitwerk. Although the seconds display and power reserve aren't digital, the hours and minutes are.

The FP Journe Vagabondage III has digital seconds, but the minutes are analog.

>>60392769
this looks hard to read at a glance.
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>>60392780
It's a great all-rounder, more on the dressy side than casual. Well made, good finishing, good movement.
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>>60392741
Deiwtt mathematical
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Thoughts?
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>>60392741
Disregarding the Lange Zeitwerk, I believe the cheapest non-chinkcrap digital display watch in say, the past decade was an orient.
It's long gone now, but it was cheap and had a dependable orient movement.
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>>60393008
>how to fuck your watch design up in one simple step
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>>60393009
makes me want to puke a little
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>>60392741
You can look on ebay for some "jump hour" watches.
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>>60392741
Technically not manual or automatic, but the ESA 9159 was an electronic movement with a balance wheel and jumping hours and minutes.
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>>60393028
Would love more info on this if you have it.
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>WUS have regular watch building thread
Why can't we have those here?
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Anybody know of watches featuring an 8-hour clock face? Alternatively, although might be ugly as sin, 12-or 24-hour face divided into 3 sections via edges, that is, triangular symmetry?
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>>60393304
like making custom watches? some delusional idiots attempted it once or twice, but we're a very small community, mostly poor, and wouldn't ever be able to come to a consensus. That, and all those custom watches end up sucking ass, because design by committee doesn't work.
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>>60393033
This. What fucking morons.
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>>60393322
Never seen that.
You could make a custom dial and mod an existing watch.
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>>60393304
Some of us mod Amphibias, the rest are not worth modding.
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>>60393329
Well only one watch sadly and its the SKX case as its base. You can get any part for that watch.
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>>60393118
Search Orient Jump Hour. I forget the exact reference. They made a few of them over the years and since I've not seen one for a while I think they've been discontinued. Seriously Orient is fucking retarded; ever since they were bought out fully by seiko it's been a never ending reshuffle of shitty designs. I think even their highest line, Royal Orient, is gone too. They peaked in design with their orient stars about 7 years ago.

Anyway, this jump hour doesn't exactly look like the zeitwerk or that gruen posted above; it has digits instead of hands, but it's not an old timey flip board type clock radio style.
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>>60393394
do you mean modding then? yeah several people here have done it
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>>60392769
looks pretty cool but readability isn't the best
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>>60393105
looks thick
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>>60393370
Once on the subway as a wee lad I'd seen a 12-hour rounded triangular face on a triangular body, ugly as sin, didn't catch brand.
Anyways googling doesn't bring up anything relevant.
Modding a clock face would be simpler figuring out how the mechanics to an single arrow spinning trice daily.
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Fug /wt/ still can't decide. Rolex forum isn't very useful telling me to buy both...
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>>60393933
Go to a Rolex store and try them on.
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>>60393933
Either the grey one or get a blue datejust. Or get an explorer 1
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>>60393981
I did and though various lighting condition both look fucking great. I thought the blue one would pop more but they are similar.
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>>60390620

So not original then.
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>>60393322
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>>60393933
If I were you (then you'd be me! lel suck shit faggot have fun with my loser existence lmao) I would get the blue.

Why: the grey, imo doesn't provide enough legibility. Sure the indices and hands are polished etc., but it's such a dull color that's just another shade of the silver, really. It's not black, so the silver colored hands don't really pop, but it's not like the blue or even the grape either. A true null. The blue is vibrant and interesting. The grey is boring and sucks old penis in backalleys. But hey, it's your money. You have the option of just saving onwards and getting something better that you may want in a few months.
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>tfw falling for the Rolex meme
I need that 36mm Ex1.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=306C1Uh6fYM&t=29m40s
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>>60393933
Blue is a classic dial colour and my bet is that it will age better than the grey one
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>>60394602
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=306C1Uh6fYM&t=29m40s
Best Archie vid in a while.
The last 8 minutes are comedy gold.
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>>60394673
The lime green dots ruin it though.
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>>60394673
I'd like to add that grey makes the watch too uniform. Breaking the steel with blue looks better at least to my eyes.

>>60394688
they dont
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>>60394678
Is this guy actually insane?
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>>60394688
well they aren't that pretty I will give you that
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>>60394678
Kek. Gotta love archie
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>>60394755
He's /ourguy/.
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Why did my movements date ring have another date ring glued on top ...
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>>60394973
huh
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>>60394973

Wasn't it only "glued" on with paint? Might have been stuck in factory date ring painting machine
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>>60394248
thanks to you i just trolled ebay for an hour looking for shitty Russian dress watches for no reason...
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>>60392741

Journe vagabondage 3. The only mechanical watch with a digital second that I know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAA3OaiP_x8&spfreload=10
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Anyone ever go on /r/watches just to laugh at them? 80% of them are wristlets and their watches never fit, the other 20% only post shitters
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>>60395273
It's always fun when someone snipes me on ebay with a way too high bid, and then I find the fucker with his new shitter on r/watches 2 weeks later.
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>>60395556
>here is my watch guys
>writes two paragraphs about inane shit
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>>60393933
Neither, grape dial is best.
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>>60394973
Different font by the looks of it.
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>>60395671
looks like something a mcdonald's manager would wear
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>>60394973
What movement? Looks like they slapped it on to have a larger font.

Really crappy manufacturing imo.
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/wt/, I broke up with my girlfriend because she finally got fed up with my right-wing views, slicked back hairstyle and materialism. She even fucking admitted between the lines that she prefers bearded, slightly overweight nu-males.

Fuck that dumb bitch, going to miss her body though. I will finally get a Rolex now. I don't really know much about the vintage market, can you get a Datejust for under 2,5k€?
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>>60395804
Yes, but they will be quite beaten up. You're better off saving up for something nicer.
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>>60395719
It was a fake rolex that someone gave to me to play with because i was a "watch guy"

So yeah shit tier manufacturing
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Is this watch too big for me?
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>>60397645
Yes sir
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>>60397651
Fuck. Thanks. There's no excuse to not
buy that 5 series Seiko field watch (37mm) now. I hope I can get some cash for this watch.
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>>60397645
its fine.

Ignore this moron >>>60397651
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>>60397645
If there's lug overhang, which it looks like there is, then yes.
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Is there a standard size watch battery I should be stocking ?
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>>60397769
It looks ridiculous are you blind
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>>60397645
a little too big, watch's size?
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>>60393883
You might be thinking of the Hamilton Ventura
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>>60398115
40mm Timex expedition. They only recently released a 38mm version, though.
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who /savingup/
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>>60393933
Both look shitty.

>>60394020
>getting a rolex that "pops"
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>>60398383
I am, but it's going to be a long wait. Hoping for a deployment to speed it up.
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>>60398473
>sbga011

Deprecated :^)
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>>60395685
perfect fucking description
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>>60398473
PROTIP: auctions.yahoo.co.jp + some intermediary...
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>>60398556

Seconded, very accurate.
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Who else here is learning how to service as a hobby? I have been practcing taking apart and putting together again shit movements and I might order a 6R15 or a 7S26 or an ETA or some sort and learn how to service some actually common things.
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Shitposting hard for (you)
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>>6039883-9
No. Of the smart watches you picked the worst.
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>>60398552
much better
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>>60395804
>She even fucking admitted between the lines that she prefers bearded, slightly overweight nu-males.

>I will finally get a Rolex now. I don't really know much about the vintage market, can you get a Datejust for under 2,5k€?

Send her along, I've already got the DJ :^)
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>>60398383
I feel you
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>>60395886
Shouldn't you be able to get a 16200 or 16230 in decent shape for that much?
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>>60399428
Do you happen to know if there are any no date rolexes with a 3135 & acrylic crystal? Unless the 3135 was specifically the date version of the movement or something.
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>>60399428
Hey Toronto anon, do you think Shane would do a decent job repairing some of the polishing damage on my megasonic? I saw on his page that he doesn't do tuning forks but figure a polish might be another story.
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Domed crystals best crystals.
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Do you have any swatches? I recently moved in the butt-fuck nowhere and need to test if the post office can find their way to my house. Been thinking to buy something cheap off e-bay as a test run. And then I realized I don't have any swatches
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>>60393009
Unless you're Zuul The Conqueror, I'd say go for something that doesn't look like it's made from the transmuted bones of innocents
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Is the Forevus a good company?

Their watches look good + has good pricing
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>>60399495
>tfw prices will go up once you have enough saved up
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>>60401198
http://imgur.com/a/6CNO8
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>>60401198
http://imgur.com/a/6CNO8
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>>60398383
Short term, might look at a Snowflake or an sbga003 depending on how I feel at the time, but, I have never been more in love with a material object than pic related.

Hopefully it'll go down $20k in a few decades, but I'll still buy it if it doesn't. I hadn't understood the grail meme before I saw this
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>>60401112
Just don't buy a mechanical.
You can get some p.funky quartz fashion watches but they are not a high quality watchmaker. Super ruthless though, so there's that.
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>>60398383
I am there senpai, just trying to decide on color...
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>>60395671
I don't have a pink shirt or am I a faggot, so I will probably go blue.
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>>60401198
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>>60395685
Phucking underrated
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>>60401362
Of course they're not high-quality so to speak, they're whole brand philosophy is different. I'm just gonna pick one up just for fun, pretty much. Cheap and kinda cool
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Does this guy make a good every day watch? as in can i wear it with suit or with t-shirt and jean without looking like a faggot?
How is it compare to rolex sub and omega seamaster?
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>>60401519
Rolexes are more versatile due to the ubiquity. However, Zenith makes great watches if you avoid the strange designs.
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Sup /wt/, Im looking for a watch
36mm exactly
Quartz (if possible high accuracy)
Simple and clean dial
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>>60402060
V i n t a g e S e i k o P e n i s q u a r t z
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>>60402060
Oysterquartz.
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When are all three hands equal parts apart in an ideal continuously swept iclock? While there are 22 times in a 12 hour period that come close there are never any actual times. I proved this with geometry. 2:54:34 is the closest solution. I haven't figured out the math for the complex solutions which I think exist.

https://youtu.be/FehppRYVIQA
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>>60402129
It happens exactly if there are four simultaneous 24 hour days but you cannot see it because you are educated stupid
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>>60402406
Take your antipsychotics.
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>>60402406
timecube pls go.
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>>60402406
Phuck me dead, this is some next level bullshit
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>>60399553
3135 is a date calibre.
3130 is the time only calibre.

Unless you buy a datejust and buy a non-date dial and have that somehow fitted to the watch. And then you risk fucking up the movement by accidentally setting the date (which you can no longer see) between the hours of 22 and 03.
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>>60402608
Is the 3130 too new for it to have been in acrylic OPs/airkings/whatever?
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>>60401519
>>60401539
Zenith: I won't say that all their watches are horrible, as they should be approached by a case by case basis.

But the fact that Zenith is owned totally by LVMH, that shitshow that ruins brands by diluting design philosophy, cutting corners to cut costs and in doing so totally destroying the brand's image for the sake of a few extra cents to feed the shareholders, I find it very hard to recommend the brand as a whole. Look at some of the shit they've been pumping out. Fucking heinous. Good on Hermes for resisting LVMH's bullshit takeover strategies (and calling them out; hilarious corporate bitchfight) for so long. They'd totally tarnish that brand; horribly overpriced as it is, it's stuff is actually good, which is more than can be said for LVMH's slave companies which are both expensive (albeit not as much as Hermes) and crap (compared to what they used to be).

LVMH is the very last mass-luxury goods conglomerate I would ever even think about buying a watch from, or anything else for that matter:
Richemont>Swatch>Kering>LVMH. I'd prefer an independent, but a good independent is a rarity post-quartz crisis (Rolex and Patek notwithstanding), and since JLC, VC, and Lange are all Richemont owned, it makes the decision a hard one.

Also, service is also a shitshow, which is pretty much what can be expected from the likes of having a central Richemont or LVMH service centre. I wonder which one is worse? Heard horrific things about both.

Resale value sucks ass too if that's a worry for you, and that's understandable too considering all the stuff I've mentioned above. There's no trust in LVMH's goods amongst most collectors.
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>>60401301
it's so big though
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>>60402754
B I V E R
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>>60402754
I thought zenith haven't been stainted LVMH though?
All the model right now is not bad, although the new defy series is a fucking shit show and they still don't fucking know what to do with their pilot line, just decrease the size for fuck sake.
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Is the SNK809 the most cost effective entry level auto or are there Chinese or vintage watches I should be looking into? I'm open to quartz too but don't know if those are worth it. Looking for field watches. Budget $50-80 aud. Note: wristlet (6.5 in wrist so max 38mm).
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>>60403153
>SNK809
For that design i prefer the orient one, wear quite large though, 42mm.
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>>60403198
I agree, though 42mm would be way too big for me I'm afraid.
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So I was thinking yesterday and I l realized that smart-watches and caios are in fact the biggest "tool watches" these days. Yes Rolex used to be tool watches, when we didn't have better technology, but point me to any modern diver who uses Rolex as a "tool". Rolexes are at most luxury watches with a tool like aesthetic and heritage. Now cheap casios like dw-5600 are best suited for any tool application, while smart-watches while lacking robustness are the best tool watches for the everyday - that is emails, messages and shit like that.
This is not bait, by the way. Personally I enjoy watches as art pieces or jewelry, with superfluous over-engineered obsolete technology. As that guy said: "you have to be a little autistic"
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>>60403153
Citizen BM8180?
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How do I become a scammer like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PATEK-PHILIPPE-Co-GENEVE-MENS-CHRONOMETER-SWISS-POCKET-WATCH-MOVEMENT-1890-/332216240267?hash=item4d59a1888b:g:DbsAAOSww9xZA4MM
?
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>>60404124
'mirin my omega, brah?
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Just bought this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/192173277700

Did I do good?
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Want a slav: Raketa Kopernik, Moonphase or "perpetual Calendar"?
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>>60404237
Case has been over polished but other than that it looks nice enough.
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>>60404339
24 hour one
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>>60404072
>smart-watches
Main problem is the need to recharge daily unless it is a low resolution job with barely readable face.
However they are improving and if they could moderate the resource requirements (1 GHz CPU for a watch!?) battery lifetime would improve and make it usable.
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>>60397645
You'd have to be a fucking skeleton for a Timex Expedition to be too big.
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>>60404478
177cm, 59kg
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>>60398383
I plan on getting a Tudor Black Bay from the AD in town once I move out of my hometown. It'll be a nice memento of my time here.
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>>60402672
By the time the 3000 series calibres came out, a time only watch like the airking already had sapphire instead of acrylic. Why are you so hung up on the 3000 series?

If you just want a simple, acrylic, time only rolex airking or whatever then get one; it'll have the movement it has. It won't be a 3000 series, but it'll still tell the time.

I'd worry about getting it repaired at an official RSC going forward though, as they're starting to refuse watches that are like 30 years old depending on which region, and even which RSC, you ask at. Independents, that have the spare parts, are fine, but how long are they going to be around? How long until finding a competent watchmaker with the know how (and parts) becomes so hard that you have to start mailing shit interstate or overseas? This alone turns me off getting say a 5513 over a 14060. It's this uncertainty that puts me off picking up rolex watches that are over 20 years old.

You can older get day-fucking-dates for like 10k now! But I just don't trust it. Rolex is not Patek, VC, JLC or even Zenith; they don't give a shit about their vintage models and just want you to buy the new stuff. So many horror stories of morons taking their redlines to the RSC and getting back new dials and hands.

With the others (apparently Omega now too) you can send in any model they've ever made and they will fix it, up to and including machining singular custom parts for just that watch if need be. Sure, you'll pay through the fucking nose for it and be waiting the better part of a year, or more, but that's "haute horologie" for you.

Rolex doesn't aspire to that. Buy their shit, enjoy it during your lifetime. Your kids and grand kids can fend for themselves when the time comes. Perhaps I paint too bleak a future, and there'll always be some independent watchmaker somewhere ready to capitalise on rolex's unwillingness to deal with vintage models properly. I doubt it. But, 3d printing's a fucking thing so you never know.
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>>60398552
Looks barren now.
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>>60404107
I really like this. But I might as well get my first mechanical watch instead.
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Does anyone know anything more about this watch? Is it vintage? I can only find it for sale on polish websites.

I need it the dial looks like a fucking roulette table.
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>>60392090
Ebay is having a sale on a lot of watches. Just saying.
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>>60404496
>tfw 173cm, 70kg
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>>60404517
I really don't know what to feel about the new dials. It's finally addressed the whole multi-font shitfest, and they're trying to address the whole branding issue that's apparently such a thing in the west. But they feel off somehow, and it's not just the ugly font they now use for the supplementary text; shit, what were they thinking? That at least could've remained the same.
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>>60404524
I know that this multi-year calendar shit was a really popular design back in the day, at least on orients. Looks like orient tristar quality (like seiko 5's, marketed to the 3rd world market). If you like it, buy it. The one in the pic looks brand new. I think orient made these up until relatively recently (past 10-15 years).
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>>60404670
£120 shipped from Poland doesn't seem too bad.

I'm asking on a forum because it seems odd that a Japanese watch would only be available in Poland.
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>>60404339
Kek I have all three dont have a pic of the calendar tho
I could actually sell you the calendar, its 2big4me
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>>60399676
You can call him and ask, but I don't expect he'd be too eager to take a pure polishing job.
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>>60404619
A U T O M A T I C
H I - B E A T 3 6 0 0 0 0
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>>60392202
Nice collection. I recently picked up this one.
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>>60404509
I'd be more concerned with parts availability for older Rolex models than with finding a competent independent servicer, but perhaps I'm biased by living in Southern Ontario and having at least three watchmakers I'd trust to do a Rolex within driving distance of me.

Do you happen to know what the oldest movements are that Rolex still makes parts for? In any case, I assume something 313x powered would be safe from a lack of parts for quite some time.
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>>60405478
Guess I should eventually get one of those to take the A U T O M A T I C meme to the next level.
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>>60404801
Perhaps it's just still in stock there? I'm sure there are still some available in brazil or wherever it was in south america where orient had a factory. I'm sure that they're no longer being made, like the jumphour style mentioned upthread.
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>>60401399

Don't buy that model
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>>60403198
I wanted one of these quite badly but my wrist is just over 7 inches and 42mm is way to large for that wrist size. Bought a Vostok instead...
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>>60406509
A 7" wrist should be able to pull off 42mm just fine. Unless yours are just much more round or something.
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>>60405615
>Do you happen to know what the oldest movements are that Rolex still makes parts for?
I'd assume they'd only still make parts for movements that are still in production. The cal.31XX.

If you get anything with a 31XX, you should be alright for a fair while. They made more and more of this shit as the years went by and there's, at the moment, no shortage of spares (the current sub's still using the 3130/3135, but with parachom and paraflex and there's likely still a mountain of bezels and dials and other crap that fits).

If you're really worried about longevity (I am) I'd avoid anything below 31XX. 31XX is still current. The 3000's in the later 5513 subs probably still have movement parts available, but it's dials and hands and who knows what else that are the issue.
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>>60406717
I don't know for how long they kept the machines spitting out parts for say, the cal.15XX's when they were replaced with the cal.3XXX we have today. I don't know what Rolex's policy was in the late 70's concerning future spare parts was. What's the official spiel today? Guarantee of 20 years after whatever it is has been discontinued? About a decade ago they'd reached the point where collectors were grumbling about the service of older, 15XX models and that it was verging on a case by case basis, so this 20 year thing probably isn't a new policy. They likely had a mountain of spare parts (not just for the movements) of which they they're now truly to running out.

I don't know on a movement by movement basis what parts are interchangeable between generations (15XX to 3XXX etc.). I mean, this stuff doesn't change so drastically, so there should be parts that can be retrofitted if need be (screws or whatever, maybe a generic gear that never changes). It's the stuff apart from the movement that are in trouble.

Within the 3XXX series too, I don't know how drastic the changes are. The new red sea dweller uses a cal.3235 that I believe is the same size as the 3135, and if they decide to update the sub they'd definitely use the 3235. How different the architecture is and what parts are actually compatible between the two? I don't know.

By say 1980, all 15XX models were well into using the cal.3XXX. Now they're running out of spare parts for those cal.15XX. It's definitely case by case basis, region by region for those models now if there were grumblings about it a decade ago. We're getting close to 40 years after ceasing production after watches that used them, after all.

The 15XX movements are reputed to be superb. A few weeks ago some anon explained that they were an over engineered marvel of a movement.
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Does anyone know if the sellita sw210-1 hacks ?
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>>60406882
Yes, it should.
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Any professional opinions?
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>>60406959
HEINOUS
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>>60394602
My goal trio:
Rolex Explorer 1, general all purpose watch
Zenith El Primero, sports chronograph
JLC Reverso or mastercontrol, dress watch

One day lads
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>>60406982
>Any professional opinions?

Back to /b/
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>>60407040
It's fucking dogshit m8, sorry if that's not what you wanted to hear.
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>>60407049
>clueless but replies
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>>60407059
See >>60401435
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>>60407102
>copy/paste
>Any professional opinions?
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>>60404496
>177cm, 59kg
Fuck me dead you must be a vicious, nasty skeleton
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>>60406959
>>60407040
>>60407059
It's about as professional as the 7 year old Chinese orphan girl who made it
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>>60407169
It's a Fossil. Not chinese.

Armani, Rolex, Diesel either, you know
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>>60407203
>It's a Fossil. Not chinese.
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>>60407221
proof it.

Degenerate posts, no value.
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>>60407203
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>>60407221
>>60407278
>>60407169
>>60407102
>>60407049
>>60406982
Kid go to bed.
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>>60406988
It's a magnificent timed piece. My wife's son has one and he loves it. Although it looks a lot better on his dark skin I must admit
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>>60407317
http://www.answers.com/Q/Are_fossil_watches_made_in_China

"Fossil, which is publicly owned, was founded in 1984 at the start of the fashion-watch boom, and grew to its current formidable size largely on the strength of fashion watches made in southern China"

http://www.watchtime.com/featured/fossil-watches-made-in-switzerland-inside-fossils-swiss-mission/

Now get the fuck out of /wt/ you Chinkshit buying pleb.
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>>60407607
lmao
dude you're fooling yourself by being autistic.

Fossil is USA/Swiss.

"Made in China" is printed on EVERYTHING in the USA ow a day.
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>>60407678
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>>60403198
Too bad they discontinued it
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>all these niggers hating on chinese watches while buying poorfags seikos

Kek
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>>60407731
Very sad to see g infected by b

>>60407790
lol thought the same
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>>60407751
I have a feeling the whole Orient is going to get discontinued
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>>60407678
mitoya quartz movements in chinese cases.

there is nothing "USA" about it.
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>>60401519
Why did they have to ruin the original design?
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>>60407887
Fuck knows. They recently fixed the subdials on the brand new model (as in 2017) but you don't get that crisp secondhand like the vintage models
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>>60407842
>swiss
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What do you think about the Gordon Ramsay watch?
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>>60408021
>faux leather
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>>60408038
GENUINE LEATHER
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>>60408021
>hideous watch
>bubbly in wine glass

Genuine class: not the picture.
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>>60407887
C H I N E S E
L
V
M
H
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>>60408062
IT"S FUCKING RAWWWW
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>>60408094
F A G G O T
A
G
G
O
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>>60408021
I would not wear it but it seems to fit his personality quite well.
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>>60407790
>>60407814
Anon I'm sorry.

Your father got you a Steinhart for your graduation. You loved it. You wore it everyday. It was your pride and joy. Finally you could show the world what you were made of, and that you, after all these years had earned the right to wear your first Swiss Made luxury watch.

Then, alas, you found /g/. You found /wt/ and anons were talking about all types of horological technology, forms and functions, complications and designs, reliability and value for money. You were home at last, among your fellow watch connoisseurs.

As you were scrolling away, you saw someone else posted their Steinhart.. and you knew it was time, time to share with the world your own timepiece for all to admire and adore!

So you did. And then the comments came in. But, something was wrong. They were.. Unexpected. They were.. cruel. Harsh. Demeaning and offensive.

What? Why? How can this be? After all this time and love you have shared with your watch you've just been told, that slab of metal around your wrist, is in fact a steaming pile of dogshit.
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>>60408021

It looks great on him. Breitling had some very nice Colt series ten years ago.

Also Gordon drives a 1.5m€ Ferrari La Ferraria? Something around for fun. I dont think he cares what people think.
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>>60408021
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>>60406551
depends on thickness... 42mm auto's look a bit large
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>>60407887
What in the modern design history of Zenith would lead you to believe that their design department isn't staffed by a pack of phenomenal idiots?
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I like this Zenith. I think its the best watch for showing you the "heart" of the insides.
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>>60408336
Pills, take them now.
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>>60408419
this shit ugly af senpai
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>>60408336
I know this is copypasta, but a similar thing happened with my quartz Tissot that I got for my high-school graduation, still wear it sometimes, but will never be able to look at it the same way anymore.
At least it wasn't that expensive and at least it's still Tissot and not a Fossil or a Denzel Washington.
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>>60408419
Gets real boring, real quick.
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Ceramic or pre-ceramic?

Besides the bezel being different materials and the dots on the dial being larger on the ceramic version, are there any other differences between a 114060 & 14060 or 116610 & 16610?

I don't really care all that much about the beze material, but I think the smaller hour dots in the pre-ceramic are aesthetically superior...

Thoughts? Very much considering a no-date, preceramic 14060

Any advises on (secondary market) Rolex buying would be appreciated btw. First time buyer
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>>60408504

I like it in videos
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>another episode of trolls trolling trolls
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Luch on comfy perlon.
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>>60408507

Get a 14060 if you want something collectible. It will patina beautifully and it's the very last of the two-line Submariners.You get all of the advantages of a vintage + a modern high beat movement, white gold hands and applied indices, and a sapphire crystal.

My advise is by the seller not the watch. Don't just try and find whoever is selling it cheapest.
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>>60408507
If it's specifically the 14060 (and not the later variants and transitional shit) then the newer 114060 has rolex's inhouse mainspring and anti-shock system: parachom bleu and paraflex.

The 14060 uses a nivarox hairspring. Nivarox is owned by swatch, and they have basically a near monopoly on swiss hairspring production. Like with their movements and ebauches, they've been threatening to cease selling them outside the swatch group. Hence one of the reasons why rolex finally decided to invest in their own production and innovation.

KIF is a shock protection system, like incabloc, that's been around for ages. I don't know who owns the patent for the design, if anyone anymore, but rolex decided to create their own system, that, in theory, is now better.

Since the subs were great and survived shit before these in-house additions, so you're not missing out on much really. If you go for the very last 14060M's made, the ones with the fugly ROLEXROLEXROLEX rehaut and the cluttered 4liner COSC dial, you'll get the parachom blue hairspring and paraflex shock.

Oh, and the newer sub bracelets absolutely shit on the fucking shitty embarrassment that is the old one. It is a substantially different feeling, so much so that many people might write off the old subs purely because the bracelet it crap compared to the new one. If you don't plan on using the bracelet this is obviously a moot point.
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>tainting limited edition watch with improper bezel insert
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>>60408962
Oh, and the case: The newer subs definitely look bigger on the wrist, so if you're a wristlet don't even consider it. Unless you're a mainland Chinese (or any other asian these days, really), in which case you'll disregard all advice on taste anyway and do that thing you do.

The newer subs overall seem very inelegant compared to the older ones. Perhaps you don't want elegance in what is nominally at any rate, a diver's tool watch. But it's not as if you can't have both, and the newer one definitely doesn't. To each his own on taste I guess, unless you're an arab, or a red chinese, or an arabchinese.

Disgusting.
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>>60408962
ROLEX
OYSTER PERPETUAL
SUPERLATIVE CHRONOMETER
OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED
DATEJUST

>ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX
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>>60408845
>>60408962
>>60409124
Thank for this fellas

Now I'm a bit more confused and need to do some soul searching

It definitely seems that the bracelet is worth is just buy itself. I'm white btw and I don't think I'm a wristlet - 7inch so I figure that's average

I'm definitely one for a more 'muted' aesthetic and don't like loud breitling-esque shit. Which is why I like the smaller hour dos on the old version

Also - which is the true 14060? Which models are the transitional or models one should avoid

I think right now, based in your posts, the 114060 is probably better, but I need to think on this for another month at least
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>>60408962
Do you know when they switched to an in-house hairspring on the Datejust?
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>>60404143
or are you 'mirring my JLC?
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>>60410231
Nice famalam
wear it in good health.
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I want to buy my first Speedy. Second-hand of course. Which will be my best bet?
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>>60410286
Personally I think the Mk2 Automatic looks the best, that case is just everything I like.
Plus it uses the Lemania 5100, so there's that.
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>>60404143
What annoys me the most about this shit is that fucking crown.

also, they missed an opportunity to turn that roulette wheel into a power reserve indicator.
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>>60410263
Thanks bro. I do, every day.
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>>60409421
Some more thoughts:
The new sub feels expensive. It feels like it could cost how much it does. An older 14060 doesn't. It's costly, but that's because of vintage appeal, not due to actual feel in hand, imo anyway. Not that it's flimsy, but relative to the other one it almost sorta does. Bracelet really doesn't help in that regard.

The bezel is very fucking flashy, and I KNOW what watch someone is wearing if they've got a new sub or gmt, but with the older ones it's not as obvious at a distance (I mean, rolex designs are still damned obvious but the older ones don't draw as much attention to themselves.). They don't fit under a shirtcuff as well, either (at least for me).
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I need an everyday watch that i can use even when training for less than 200$.
I'm currently interested on the orient ray2 and the seiko skx007 so it's there any other watch i should consider?
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>>60410306
The current mark 2 does not use the Lemania 5100.

See this link for a full list of which Speedmaster models featured the Lemania 5100:

http://chronomaddox.com/c1045_in_detail.html
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Does anyone here own a Citizen PRT AW7038-04L or similar? Thinking about coping one for a gift. 10bar water resist, 8 month reserve, and solar. Held one today and it's fairly light. Is the 10 bar going to be fine for light recreation diving (no dives deeper than 120ft)?
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>>60410756
fake diver bezels make me sad.
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>>60409421
>Also - which is the true 14060? Which models are the transitional or models one should avoid
>>60408845
This guy seems to be suggesting the earlier 14060's with the cal.3000 and tritium dials.

Okay, sure, tritium dials age in a certain distinctive way if you're into that, but I myself would prefer usable lume. The middle period 14060's replaced tritium with superluminova, which will never patina, but still actually glow.

14060's got a modified movement (and became the "Modified"), where the calibre received a full balance bridge instead of the balance cock (sorta half bridge thing) of before. I believe the sub date already had this modified movement for a good while and it was just a case of finally the 14060 catching up.

A balance bridge should be more sturdy and secure, at least in theory, and for a rugged sports watch that's kinda what you want. Still, a bridge is generally rarer than cock and it's not as if movements with cocks can't handle shit. All rolex movements now use bridges. They might have tidied up the movement a smidgen around the same time, not the full Lange treatment, just made it mildly nicer than before. Not that it matters as you'll never see it.

The last of the 14060M's (the last of the non-ceramic non-dates) got full COSC certification. So baibai 2line dial of brevity and simplicity and welcome the dial-novel >>60409132 , even later ones got the monstrous new repeating rehaut and that's when the parachom/flex were added. Then it was discontinued.
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>>60410777
My personal preference:
14060M, 2 liner (non-COSC).
Why? Because it represents the very last vestige, like, the final drop of "tool watchmaker" rolex may have had left. The newest subs are way, way into "rolex the wrist jewelry maker" territory. Make that "wrist jewelry maker that's sensibly jumping on the bandwagon and pandering to those asians that want to wear clocks on their wrists".

If I wanted a true rolex toolwatch, I'd go for a 5513/12. But something evocative of those times is enough for me, and I believe the upgraded movement and actually usable luminous compound of the 14060/M trump the premium paid for the real last toolwatch: an early 80's 5513's with matt dial, painted rather than applied indices (applied indices are white gold), and that scratcherific acrylic crystal.

But then that goes back to my spiel about getting shit that old serviced properly. I've looked into this and thought about it a lot since my semenmaster 2254 was stolen and the 14060M is the only dive watch I think I would consider to replace it, well, it's either that or the 16710 since the timezone feature would actually be more useful to me than time only watch.

Yet, you cannot deny that there's a beauty in the symmetry and simplicity of the 2liner submariner that seems to be such a rarity in the world of modern horology.

I will make my own choice within the next few weeks. (I think)
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>>60410777
>>60410913
grrrr this is getting difficult

Appreciate all your replies btw

The 14060M is the one I think (and was set until today) was the most aesthetically pleasing, but some of these posts made me think the 114060 is superior, especially because of the bracelet.

I don't know anymore. By the way, do you have some of sort of literature you'd recommend? Seems like you have a wealth of knowledge on the subject - especially the no-date sub which is the piece I'm eye'ing
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>>60409437
I'm not so familiar with DJ's, but I recall that something along the lines of that all rolex watches made after 2010, so after the serial numbers changed from the lettered series that was so easy to follow to a random series of numbers, should have the inhouse hairspring.

There's probably some transitional hybrid fuckery going on in the very last series before the randomised series, or in the early randomised series in 2010/2011 in the DJ line, but I don't know anything about that. I can only hazard to surmise that if you were to pick any DJ in the early V series and older, you'd not get the parachom blue. After that I don't think you can be certain.
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>>60408681
Same
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>>60411081
Go try on the current model. Try the older one.

The newer sub is a better built watch, and superior in every material way. In fact, I think the "special" steel that rolex use may have been tweaked for the modern models as well. To what supposed benefit I don't recall. What it lacks it lacks in areas that are intangible. If the this immaterial shit doesn't stirr you as much as the thought of having the best and brightest, then get the modern model.

>By the way, do you have some of sort of literature you'd recommend? Seems like you have a wealth of knowledge on the subject - especially the no-date sub which is the piece I'm eye'ing
I'm sure that there's books out there that you could waste money on, but I've just trolled the usual watchforums for the past decade, on and off (off when I'm satisfied with what I have, on when I want to buy something new). There's enough information there, free. It's just a matter of wading through the shit, much like this place (though here's a whole different kind of shit).

You're not the only person whose had this dilemma; I'm sure if you do a search a million hits on rolexforums or watchuseek will come up.

I can only give you my own thoughts from my own journey. I prefer a degree of discretion, and will be wearing either the 14060M or 16710 on a nato. The newer models are too inconspicuous for me, too shiny. Besides, i don't want to encourage any more fucking thieves ffs.

Oh yeah, one last thing: the new sub cases have totally done away with the drilled lugs of the older 14060/M's. Drilled lugs make taking off the bracelet yourself infinitely easier, and are a remnant of the whole toolwatch heritage. If you like to change your shit up every so often, it's easier with drilled lugs. A small thing, but something I personally would miss.
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>>60410639
Citizen BN0151. Solar quartz => accurate and low-maintenance. Lacks the cool factor present in mechanicals though. If I wanted something purely practical, I'd get a G-Shock. If I wanted something that looks nice, I'd get the SKX007/9. The Citizen is in the middle.
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>>60411532
>The newer models are too *CONspicuous for me
ftfm
In the habit of wearing watches on the inside of my wrist if I walk outside now; only safe when I'm amongst the non-plebs at my final destination lol. People have had arms hacked off for gold bracelets or ladies handbags by passing shitcyclists, I mean I like nice things and all, but would prefer to keep my limbs intact.
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>>60411612
Where do you live that you're surrounded by thieves? I mean, I'm in NYC and never come across this shit, but I also stay away from nigtown and Chinatown

Also as for literature, I meant like a well reasearched and documented article or two somewhere, but it looks like you got your knowledge from lurking forever, which is what I thought. Fair enough

I'll probably try the new sub at some point but looking at one of the pics above, I didn't realise just how much larger the bezel was on the new one. It looks like 40-50% bigger then you add the maxi dial and...goddamn idk
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>>60410306
Wouldn't something like Caliber 3510 be better?
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>>60410766
The other option is the SUN055, but I would need to look into finding a different bezel, or the same watch with a diver bezel as the compass bezel is kinda useless to who it's for.
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>>60411468
Comfy.jpg
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I know you guys don't talk much about smart watches but anyone know anything know anything about the Casio WSDF20?

Seems to have a lot of shit packed in.
I work outside a lot and It would be useful to have GPS/Compass/temps etc but I'm not sure about the whole smart watch thing in general though this seems more sensible than most.

If is is just a meme does knows any alternative tool watches with plenty of functions? my G-Shock is showing it's age
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>>60401112

Swatch quartz is dope. Their mechanical watches aren't worth the extra money.
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My collection consists of a Mickey Mouse quartz watch from Aliexpress, 3 Vostok Komandirskie-Kadets, a dope Casio and a few thrifted vintage mechanicals that don't keep proper time. I have no craving for expensive watches but I appreciate how they look and how they're made. I bought myself a nice piece of land next to the sea that I will build a house on once I've saved enough. The cost of the land could have gotten me a few lovely Rolexes and maybe one day I will get those Rolexes after I'm sitting in my house.
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>>60412954
nice blog post
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>>60412598
Yeah yeah what the real actual fuck you do with all this shit?

Ain't even cool these days..
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>>60411081
The new 114060 is no longer a tool watch. When Rolex replaced the 316L SS with 904L SS it stopped being a tool watch and became just another luxury watch.
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Why do people keep talking about Rolex? Surely someone else makes a good watch?
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>>60413216
>Surely someone else makes a good watch?
How about a Tudor then? :^)
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>>60413206
Changing the bezel from aluminum to ceramic was also stupid...
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>>60413216
>>60413231
My bois
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>>60413335
>two tone sub
The pleb deserved everything.
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>>60413364
>$700 for the bezel
>Rolex said he did it
>he said it just cracked all of a sudden
lol yea he cried like a bitch.
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Questions for /wt/:
>Are you treated like shit/abused regularly?
>Do you own a Vostok/JDM Seiko?
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>>60413509
Yes, by my boss like every other wagecuck/JDM
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>>60413509
>1) I'm a bookie, so yeh, comes with the job.
>2) Yes, Vostok Amphibia, though I don't wear it. Just got it to mod.
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I need a mechanical stopwatch, do they exist with a center minute hand, and if so do they have a certain name? I need to regularly time 5 and 3 minute stuff.

If no such thing exists I'll just get a cheap commie Agat.
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>>60413790
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mechanical+stopwatch+central+minute+hand&oq=mechanical+stopwatch+central+minute+hand&aqs=chrome..69i57.7055j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=mechanical+stopwatch+central+minute+hand&tbm=shop
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>>60411468
Me too
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>>60413916
hey that's no perlon
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>>60413911
Nice non-answer, dipshit. It's almost as if you shouldn't have posted at all.
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>>60414142
Look at the first result nigger.
It's an answer, but one that isn't hopelessly spoonfed as to demonstrate how easy the answer was to find.
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>>60414207
>HAHAHAHA I POSTED THE GOOGLE RESULTS HAHAHA I SURE SHOWED HIM EPIC TROLLLLLLL LMFAO KEKEKEKE
You probably think you're very clever now, don't you?
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>>60393933
i own the blue and looked at both. blue is most definitely better. there is actual contrast with the blue dial
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You get a free Swatch voucher: Which 5 current Swatch watch models would you buy for yourself and why?
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Is a Grand Seiko comparable to a Rolex? I want a nice watch with a display window in the back.
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>>60415307
Comparable if not better, yes.
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>>60415307
Comparable to what end?
In the grand scheme of things, Rolex's aren't that well finished, they have un-decorated movements, reasonably adequate dials, but with exceptional case work.

The finish of a Snowflake is miles above that of any Rolex.
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>>60415307
Good luck finding the rolex you want with a stock display caseback
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>>60402060
Timex 1600
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Could some of yall post pics of your amphibias?
If you have the blue dial, is it really blue, or more teal?
And does your date window have a square around it or is it bare?
Are there fake vostoks, or are these differences just depending on when the watches were made?
Mine looks more blue in photos, but definitely looks more teal in natural sunlight.
Also how big is the face/crown, and what size strap does yours take.
IDK why I'm being paranoid about possibly getting a fake vostok, it really shouldn't matter, it's not a Rolex or anything but feel more comfortable if I could confirm it's not fake.
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>>60416915
That is probably not a fake. Where did you get it from?
Can you take the back off and post the picture of the movement ?
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useful reminder

that
>horology

is the first step towards a hellish life into

pedophilia
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>>60416981
>Where did you get it from?
amazon
>Can you take the back off and post the picture of the movement ?
not right now, but I had to run through the date wheel manually, so theres no quick date or anything like that
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My komandirskie 410310. 36mm diameter. Added a crocodile strap to it.
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>>60417169
That is normal for vostoks unfortunately.

Also there are two different dial versions of that dial. The framed date and the non framed. The framed I think is more blue then teal blue.
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>>60417232
Can someone give me the instruction manual for the 2409A movement in English?
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>>60417450
Well that's good to know.
It's probably real, I was just a surprised at how small it was. It looks a bit larger in the photos I'd seen than it is in person
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>>60417504
Not a Komandirskie.

Wind it. It lasts around 36 hours. Pull out crown to set time. What more do you need?
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>>60416915
They switched to teal and removed the window frame a few years ago. It's a shame. Some places haven't updated their stock photos. It's not a fake.
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>>60417902
Yeah I thought it might not be a komandirskie. Does this watch have a distinct name then? Or is it just Vostock 410310.
I wanted to know if I could overwind it, but I found out it just becomes impossible to turn further.
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>>60418026
I believe the model name is Kama, named after the river near the factory. Yes, it simply stops winding, nothing to worry about.
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there's a Seiko scve on ebay right now and its price is sky rocketing.

It makes me consider selling my own.
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>>60418120
Thankyou very much.
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Thoughts?
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>>60415401
>they have un-decorated movements

Blatantly false.

>reasonably adequate dials
They're still done by hand and although they don't do crazy finishes like the "snow" pattern on a snowflake they're still done by hand and exceptionally well finished.

>but with exceptional case work
Yes.

>The finish of a Snowflake is miles above that of any Rolex.
Not really.

Not hating on Seiko but this weird weeb obsession with the brand is strong in these threads and needs to be called out.
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>>60419576
Now, I agree with you that the guy you are replying too is underselling Rolex, as Rolex movements do feature functional decoration and their cases/dials/bracelets are quite nice.

On the other hand, Grand Seiko legitimately does do significantly more hand inspection, hand polishing and hand assembly work, does more decoration on their movements, and is generally regarded to have better case/dial/hands/bracelet finishing than Rolex, and actually better than any non haute horlogerie maker.

They do only make about 5,000 of them a year, after all. They can afford to lavish attention on them.
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>>60404619

which seiko 5 is that?
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what aboutVostok, are they a meme?
are they good as a first mechanical watch? had been using a chink no name quartz for years now, its starting to lose minutes.
Interested in their komandirskie.
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>>60413343
PELAGOS
CHRONOMETER
OFFICIALLY CERTIFIED
ROTOR SELF-WINDING
500m-1640ft
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>>60419576

But anon why have a Rolex when you can be like ninefag with his trip turned off and impress weebs with your grand seiko 5 that everyone will think was bought on massdrop or at sears?

I love my sarg005 and skx013 but if you think a GS is better to own than a datejust or a sub you are just fooling yourself.

At some point it becomes about real life >>(You's) and who is going to give a shit about GS outside of here, wus and plebitt?
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>>60413335
Why? How often do you bang your watch against something hard enough to damage the ceramic?
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>>60420786
He's right, that Credor looks mallcore as fuck
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>>60420455
That is one pretty Bocтoк. What model is it?

>>60420502
For the price they're nice. The кoмaндиpcкиe is manual wind so you'll have to remember to wind it each day. If you're willing to go to the $50 range there's a decent number of Seiko automatics as well
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>>60421023
That's his Credor, with his comment shitting on someone else's watch. It was superimposed for ironic effect.
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>>60421059
His image is an automatic Komandirskie.
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>>60420713
Typical Rolex owner mentality - my watch is worth something if other people can recognize it. Honestly Rolex is an over-marketed piece of trash for the last decade or so. Will gladly see the brand burn and die

Now just wait till the Rolex owners start calling me a poorfag who cannot afford a Rolex, in their minds it's the watch that everybody desires
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>>60392090
Are the quality of "shitter" watches like Dan Wellington really that bad? What makes them different from quartz Seikos?
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>>60421270
Only the last decade or so? :^)

I'll agree that rolexes are overmarketed/overpriced. If you ignore those they're still actually good watches.
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>>60415187
I would desperately try to sell the voucher
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>>60393008
>www.dewitt.ch

Chinkcrap?
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>>60401174
I'm trying to go for that look.
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>this is horology in 2017 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InenMT_QDnI

but seriously if this guy becomes more of a train wreck he has some entertainment potential a la chris-chan
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>>60421831
also the dude has apparently decided to make his own watch
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>>60419063
Looks good, reminds me of Braun design, although expensive
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>>60421764
Try again, .ch is not China.
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>>60421152
oh
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>>60422021
This is the watch he said that to.

Then some /fa/ggots got mad because he shit on their watches so they began a huge troll war. And then random people saved the images for trolling after it died down.
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>>60422094
That watch does look like hipster bait garbage to be honest.

>just bought this off thinkgeek xD
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>>60422094
credor does have some nice offerings
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>>60422094
Nah, some of us were just fed up with this guy thinking he has any credibility. Embarrassing to the rest of the thread.
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>>60422256
you >>60422094
>And then random people saved the images for trolling after it died down.
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>>60422227
>tfw no stamp
is their Credor production process even lower tech than that of GS?
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>>60422227
The hand painting on the eichi II dial is pretty impressive. Not to mention the finishing on the rest of the piece.
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I don't know if you heard, but Mark Gordon if http://www.ussrtime.com/ sold his collection some years ago. Knowing he's an old geezer it's probably a matter of time before the site goes offline. Are there any tools to download the entirety of the site easily?
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>>60420786
Honestly if I wanted a fucking $500,000 Seiko I would have bought a fucking AP Grand Tourbillion.
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>>60422327
what stamp? the logo?

>>60422347
I personally prefer the finishing of Laurent Ferrier. Credor has no charm.
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>>60422852
No Credor goes for $500,000, unless it's the Sonnerie or MR, which are masterpieces.
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>>60422916
I'd say the credor is exemplary of seiko's (or just nip in general) sensibilities. The wide bevels on the bridges are gorgeous.

The variety of finishes does make the laurent more interesting to look at admittedly.
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watch noob here, anything I should know before purchasing an $800+ mechanical watch?
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>>60417009
Then how come all the pedophiles wear digital watches?




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