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/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.

>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter.
https://pcpartpicker.com/

THEN state the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA.
List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming.
Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs?
ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already

>How to assemble a PC, select components & more. (somewhat outdated)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

CPUs:
>G4560 - budget builds (<$500) unless G4620/i3-7100 is heavily discounted
>R5 1500x - generally all you need for 60fps with power to spare. No i5
>R5 1600 - best value for higher fps gaming & mixed usage; 1600x if you don't want to OC
>i7-7700k - bad value but good; may have heat issues even at stock clocks
>R7/Xeon - compute/Multitask/mixed use

Graphics:
>G4560 iGPU is fine for LoL, dota2, rocket league, etc
>1050Ti at ~$105. Drop settings if not Freesync/Gsync on newer games; RX560 if discounted
>RX570 4GB - 1080p@60+hz, running most maxed; older games at 144+hz
>RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA & drop settings for some games
>1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580 and GSync costs more; consider only if AMD is not an option (ie CUDA)
>1070 - 1080p@144hz/1440p@100+hz
>1080 - 1080p@90-144+hz maxed; 1440p at lower hz.
>1080Ti - 1440p@90-144+hz; 4k@60hz in SOME games, more at lower settings
>Freesync2 & Vega soon

General:
>READ PRODUCT REVIEWS to see if that cheap SSD/PSU or whatever is reliable
>Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed
>NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk
>Stop fucking confusing any M.2 drive with NVMe. M.2 is a form factor
>Go mATX form factor for cheaper board+case
>1 SR DIMM is slower than 2 DIMMs
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BE QUIET! BK008 Pure Rock Slim

Any used this CPU cooler before?, I hate the look of the Evo 212, so looking for an alternative at similar price.
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>>60483842
Cryorig H7 is probably better. It's $4 more though.
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I didn't realize ryzen cooling comes with already applied thermal paste and I lightly touched it with my finger. Is it still ok or did I fuck up and I got reapply it?
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>>60483842
I haven't tried it, but the review make the be quiet to be a few degrees better, and much quieter. Don't trust people telling you to go for a 212EVO, it's a 8 years old cooler, better coolers at around the same price have been released during this time. The Be Quiet is among them.
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>>60483897
It's ok, people do much worse with their thermal paste like spreading it themselves on the CPU (creating a fuckton of air bubbles in the process), yet it's fine;
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>>60483931
Ok, thanks got a bit worried.
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I tried to install windows on an SSD but I ran into an error (error 0x80070570)
so after trying a few more time I removed one of the two RAM stick but I still encountered the error
I finally swapped the RAM stick with the other one and the windows install just went fine.
Does that mean the other RAM stick is defective?
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The S340 Elite which I ordered only has two fans. Should I get an additional fan for the front, maybe even two? Or is it enough to change the top fan to the front like I've seen in one video.
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Z77 Extreme4
Intel Core i5-3470
8GB of some kind
970 GTX 4GB

Is there any real reason to upgrade my system? It seems to run most things at decent resolutions and frame rates. I was thinking of making it 16gb ram but someone said there's not point and I should move to Ryzen cpu+motherboard but that's a little too expensive for me at the moment.

(Also I've noticed my cpu temp is in the range of 70-85 degrees celsius with the stock fan. Do I need to replace with an aftermarket fan?)
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>>60484633
possibly yes, try blowing on it and cleaning it with a tissue or something (lol)
or try another slot, maybe it's a defective slot

>>60484660
if it doesn't have any fan at the front, it means it will suck air from any hole available which means lots of dust will get in from non-dust-filtered holes.
either buy one fan at the front & move one of the already existing ones in there too, or buy two front fans.
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>>60484682
Are those high temperatures new?
If so buy some thermal paste;
If you don't feel the need to upgrade, do not do it. Better hardware is always on the horizon (Cannonlake, Zen+) and the more you wait, the more you get.
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>>60484807
Thanks. Would suck if more dust got in there because the fans are missing. I think I will buy two for the front then. I guess they just left them out there because of the people who put water coolers in their case.
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>>60484660
I have this exact case it has a filter in the front and u can add 2 more fans the same same as the other 2.
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>>60484682
>I've noticed my cpu temp is in the range of 70-85 degrees celsius
Clean your fan and reapply thermal paste. I've had i5 2400 go from ~85 on average during load to ~50 during load.
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>>60484893
Ok, I will do that. A little bit confusing for people who are new to pc building. I first thought that was standard maybe and only got some doubts after watching some pc building videos.
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>>60484833
>Are those high temperatures new?

Not sure, only checked the temp recently, (after I've added a hot swap bay a week ago and the 970 a year ago.)

>If you don't feel the need to upgrade, do not do it.
I've been checking recommended requirements and my RAM seems to be on the low side.
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>>60484960
until you actually notice slowdowns because of lack of RAM, don't make any decision
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how do you know when to buy a new hard drive? just got an ssd and am gonna use my 6 year old hard drive as storage. how expensive are they now these days anyways?
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So /g/ I followed these threads and I really don't know that much about video cards but I got a 1050ti for my PC and got this.
There appears to be some sort of tape over the bolt in the board of pic.related?

I really need to know what it is and if I can take it off.
(10 eons in Microsoft Paint by the way).
-t.21 /g/ visitor
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>>60485000
Then I won't, should I buy more fans then? I just have one at the back that becomes relatively loud when playing games.
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>>60485104
$50 for 1TB, $75 for 2TB, sometimes can find pretty good 3TB discounts at around $80

>how do you know when to buy a new hard drive?
when you're lacking space or when your games load slowly. Your 6 years old hard drive is very likely to be noticeably slower than today hard drives.
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>>60485117
Yes, you can remove it. Dont not use a knife or any metallic object to do so, you'd risk damaging your card with scratches.

>>60485132
It's becoming relatively loud because it's speed increases the higher the CPU temperature is. Once you change the thermal paste and clean the cooler, it will not be nearly as loud.
You can always set a custom fan curve in the bios.
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What could 2 short beeps followed by another beep about 2 seconds later mean?
I had an issue with my pc where it started giving no display after having issues with bsod, windows in general and then not being able to boot at all, assumed it was mobo after literally troubleshooting everything except cpu.
Now that I have a new one I got another issue, it doesn't even starts, cpu fans start for some seconds, 2 beeps come from the mobo speaker, then powers down and I get another beep before it goes into the same loop.
First mobo just gives me no display but everything runs, all fans and lights.

I'm testing this on a anti static bag over the mobo cardboard box

I'm fucking stumped here, this happens even if I disconnect the cpu fan and the cpu has absolutely no marks of anything bad, it was also never overclocked and had temps of about 60 tops with the heatsink.
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>>60485213
https://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm
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thoughts?
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>>60485373
>5400rpm when 7200rpm exists
>850w when your build doesn't use nearly that much
>120mm fans when 140mm exists
Otherwise looks good
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>>60480831

I wasn't aware that that getting win 7 running with an amd cpu would be an issue. Are there any good guides for that?
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>>60485394
not concerned with 7200rpm just want more storage, and i you always want to be over rather then under when it comes PSU
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>>60485412
It's not AMD specific, it's Kaby Lake (ix 7xxx, e.g. i7 7700k) or anything Ryzen. And technically there's no problem with it, except from poor M.2 support and microsoft blocking updates to force you into W7

Here you can find a script that will remove the "blocking update" update:
https://github.com/zeffy/kb4012218-19

As for mouse & kb drivers in the windows installer, you'll need
1. a W7 iso (nope, can't do it on an already existing bootable key, need to re-do the process)
2. a specific software for this, i think Asus has one
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>>60485456
>you always want to be over rather then under when it comes PSU
That's true, but at worst that thing is gonna use 370w. With spikes at maybe 450w, and that's the worst case scenario.

At least drop that down to 650 - 700w or something
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>>60485494
i should also note im going to put in my current 1080 into the build for SLI. So 850w is just right
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>>60485511
Oh, it's all fine then
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>>60484660
As you've already been told. Move the back fan to the front, so you have 2 intake fans, and 0 exhaust fans.
The air will find it's way out, the case is large enough that it really won't be suffering much from too much positive pressure. The CPU cooler will also give the air an additional push into the right direction.

Place them high enough that one fan blows towards your GPU, and one at your CPU.
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>>60485225
That's the issue anon, none of the beep codes I've seen match the one I'm getting, two short quick beeps and then another one after a delay right before it enters the loop.
Then there's the other motherboard having a completely fucking different issue, I have no idea what's going on.
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https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Tm8bzM
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[1/2]

Friend at work was asking me advice about putting together an editing machine for stuff like pictures, graphic novels, videos, movies, etc, as well as a work station for other things.

Budget: $2000
Pic shown, my first ideas.
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>>60485851

Forgot pic.
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>>60485762
It may just be the 2 beep signal, and maybe the 1 too, I dunno.

What motherboard is it? It should say in the manual what it means.
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>>60485851

What she suggested after seeing my list. Managed to blow her $2000 budget.
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>>60485464
Alright cool. That's not anything as hacky as I almost expected. I'll just google some guides or something then.
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>>60485851
You are definitely getting better performance for same price with Ryzen unless prices are fucked up where you live.
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>>60485851
thats a lot of editing of different formats. is he really going to be doing all of them or is just like those plebs thats say "gaming editing coding toasting".

>>60485879
coolers wasted on a non k, get a ti for the extra 1gb if he is editing. get faster memory without gimmicks, seagate barracuda drives are better and usually cheaper. probs get a cd reader and card reader cause mm and editing
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>>60485879
For an editing machine & workstation machine, an R7 1700/1700x/1800x makes much more sense than a 7700k.
And you don't want a liquid cooler in there because of the risk of leakage, not to say it doesn't cool much better than high end $80 air coolers (2 - 3°C at best)

You might wanna get him two sticks of 16GB for upgradeability.

>>60485928
Remove all these fans, unless she likes noise or something. The fan in there are good enough and so is the CPU & GPU cooler.
Why that audio card? Is she doing any work that benefits from such a highly priced one?
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>>60485958

Ryzen here is priced about the same as anywhere else in the US. It's something I've been considering and trying to get her to think about.
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>>60485928
tell her to kill herself because that builds abysmal. why would you get a sound card past 2007 is a shocker. im semi sure this builds a troll.
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>>60485999

Audio card because she wants to do some sound work too, recording and editing that as well. I felt she'd be fine with on board audio but hell knows if she's grabbing equipment that'll need a card.
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>>60485999
those audio cards are a joke anyway, utter placebo in the modern world
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>>60486055
>equipment that will need a card
what? you want a dac in that case
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>>60485851
>>60485879
Here.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JV7GYr
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>>60485928
Case: NZXR S340 Optionally buy a couple of NZXT fans to match it with, otherwise just put both at the front as intake.

Don't get those cheapass deepcool fans, get proper ones, S340 comes with 2.

Sound card is really necessary? Especially for that much?

That toshiba is probably server/enterprise, so it's gonna be extremely loud. Make sure you get dekstop HDDs. Possibly buying more of them, if she's serious about video editing, and put them in a raid.

Obviously, don't get 7700k, get R7 1800x, or R7 1700 if she can overclock it.

Also a normal air CPU cooler is much better, even get something fairly beefy. At the same cost, you'll get much better cooling, and much quiter as well.
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>>60485919
Most 2 beep signals show a RAM issue, and I've tried several sticks on different configurations already.

Old mobo was an asrock h97, new one is a Gigabyte b85m ds3H since it's hard to find older1150 sockets around so this is the best I could get, after double checking the manual again I couldn't find anything related to beep codes.
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>>60486100
and here. Added a sound card.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GRkWLD
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>>60486055
>but hell knows if she's grabbing equipment that'll need a card.
If she needs a card, she can just buy it later...

If it's because you'll build it for her... Show her how it's built. Then show her how she would install the card, make sure you also tell her that she needs to clear the capacitors by plugging out the PSU from the wall, while still keeping it on. To then press the power button a couple of times.
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Good? I currently already have a 1700X and Asus ROG X370 board with 32GB ddr4-2400mhz. Looking to put that 1600X in my existing Asus board, the 1700X into the taichi board (because 10 SATA ports vs 8). The 32GB kit, taichi and 1700X will be used for my server.
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>>60486237
You want ECC for servers though.
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What is the /g/ approved B350 board?
- ASRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4
- MSI B350 Tomahawk
- Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3
- ASUS PRIME B350-PLUS
Which one works best when OCing?
Do we wait for the agesa 1006 to be able to tell definitely?
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>>60486271
It's really a toss up between the MSI, Gigabyte, and ASUS boards
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>>60486268
Not for home servers. I'm simply sharing files over the network and hosting a printer. ECC is really only for high priority servers.
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>>60486293
does that mean the asrcok is shite?
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>>60486271
MSI B350 Gaming Carbon / Gaming Krait
ASRock B350 pro4, and B350M pro4
ASUS Prime something, the one with a heatsink.
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>>60486293
Gigabyte doesn't have any good B350 mobos, and ASUS is probably a little worse than ASRock.
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>>60483795
If heroes of the storm drops down to 0.5 fps. Is it the fault of my pc or is it because the connection is bad? Idk what makes this happen. I think it might be my pc tho since it's already 7 years old and a dual core i3 isn't that good anymore.
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how do you tell if this ram is single rank or dual rank?
http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/vengeance-lpx-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-dram-3000mhz-c15-memory-kit-red-cmk16gx4m2b3000c15r
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>>60487075
>(2 x 8GB)
it's dual
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Is this a good monitor if I get it at 230?
https://www.amazon.com/LG-34UM58-P-34-Class-UltraWide/dp/B01DLB9BRC
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>>60487059
>0.5 fps
Is this even possible?
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>>60487157
one frame ever 2 seconds
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Gaymen PC BUIDLING CHALLENGE

Budget: 800 euros
Already owning: - capable 600 W PSU
- 750 Ti (planning on upgrading in the future ofc)
- Already have a SSD and a HDD

What is the best for gaming?
Should I go for a Ryzen future proof system or for a good single core performance intel based system?

First time builder here, please give me some advice/options
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>>60487097
That's saying it's in a kit, it can still be single rank, and I believe those actually are single rank.

>>60487075
Go to mobo RAM support lists and find the RAMs serial number in there. It'll tell you if it's DS/SS, or 2r/1r.
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2666 is best non-oc ram for ryzen?
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>>60483795

I can't decide between i7 7700 or i5 6500. I mostly use my pc for gaming and video/image editing.

Also, my 500w Corsair (CX500) power supply will be enough for those processors? (I have a RX 470 atm)
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>>60487477

i5 7400* not 6500
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>>60487477
>>60487583
They are pretty much the same, 6500 has 100 MHz faster boost clock but 7400 supports 2400 MHz RAM
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>>60487696

but is there an actual difference between i7 7700 and i5 7400?
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>>60486318
there's a reason it's nicknamed Assrock.
Still nowhere near as bad as Biostar though.
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>>60487754
Yes, get 7700 if you can
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>>60487779
ASRock are one of the best board manufactures though.
Some years ago, when they were owned by ASUS, they were shit. Now when they're their own thing, they're actually good, one of the best.

Gigabyte is the trash, both GPUs and mobos.
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>>60487829

It will be enough a 500w 80+ power supply?
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>>60487876
More than enough
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>>60483795
>R5 1500x - generally all you need for 60fps with power to spare. No i5
Hahahahaha.
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>>60487874
>i have no idea what I'm talking about because I'm a brand-whore: The post
I bet you drive a BMW just to say you drive a BMW.
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>>60487903
It is though.
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>>60487907
>Says the intel fag
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>>60487929
>implying
Gimmie Ryzen.
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Would you rather go for a gtx 1050ti or a rx 560? Regular blizzard games or civ 5.
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>>60487988
560 though that's my opinion.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZYqPd6

Suggestions on unpurchased parts welcome.

HDD: needs to be 8TB
PSU: needs to be fully modular and have flat cables and needs to be NOT semi-passive
GPU: only need 2560x1080@60Hz

Cooling:
The CPU cooler will be a Cryorig H7 QUAD Lumi heatsink as soon as it gets released, the GPU will have an NZXT Kraken 42 with a G12 gpu bracket solely for eyecandy, because I'm an RGB whore.
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>>60487988
1050 ti is objectively better. It really just depends on price difference.
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>>60488059
Looking at benchmarks I can see that the 1050 ti is slightly ahead but it's slightly more expensive here in europe. (around 120 euros for the rx560 while the 1050ti averages 135 euros).

What are good brands for nvidia cards? If I get the rx 560 I'll probably get a sapphire card.
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>>60488326
>What are good brands for nvidia cards?
They're all pretty much the same so just pick whichever one is on sale.
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>>60488339
I'll keep an eye out for the cheapest one with zero fan modus (gigabyte model) for 137 euros currently.
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>>60487923
Regardless of the first statement, the "no i5" part is damn hilarious, but you know what I won't bother trying to argue with you AMD shills, if someone is dumb enough to buy a 1500x over an i5 it's their problem.
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>>60488402
There is literally nothing to argue.
There are games that the 1600X gets 50% higher average and minimum FPS in when not GPU bottlenecked.
While in games where the 7600k wins, it's never by more than single digit % minimums
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>>60488506
I wasn't talking about the 1600(X), those two are great CPUs.
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What would one stand to benefit from a pair of 1TB M.2 drives in RAID 1 or RAID 0, along with a slew of HDDs in RAID 10 or RAID 1? Is it worth it?
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>>60488540
The 1500X is obviously compared more to the i5-7400 or i5-7500 which no one should consider getting either when the 1500X has the same or better single threaded performance AND double the threads.
If you're saying something else, I just don't follow, sorry.
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>>60488766
why does M.2 or not matter?
But no, it's not worth it. You won't load your gaymes faster
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>>60488766
>What would one stand to benefit from a pair of 1TB M.2 drives in RAID 1 or RAID 0
Primary recording drive for 2160p or larger lossless or raw format videos, and even then you'd need striped or JBOD arrays to make a decent length video fit.
Or use them as .vdi storage for running a dozen VMs at once.
Or use them as a primary or tiered cache for a HDD/SATA SSD RAID array.
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Is 30 euros difference from a rx 570 4gb vs 8gb a good investiment? I've got a 1080p monitor if that helps
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How far off is this from being optimal? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9ChF9W
Looking to play e-sports (LoL, Overwatch) in 4k 60hz , photoshop and light video editing. Budget of around 1100USD (in Hong Kong)
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>>60488833
Good answer that I couldn't bother to give, assuming >>60488766 meant NVMe and not m.2.

Suffice to say, anything over SATA, whether RAID for performance and/or NVMe, rules out 99.999% of users needs.

>>60488849
No. More RAM doesn't make it faster. It just makes it slow down less when a game uses more VRAM than it has. You're better off turning of 4K textures when you can't even see the benefits from them in 1080p. No game uses over 4GB VRAM with 4k textures turned off. And even if they do, it still performs fine with something using 5GB.
Not worth it. Save your money to ugprade when you need to.
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Anyone here running an X5650? Can it still handle modern games?
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>>60488895
SATA RAID or chipset/software RAID can get fucked if you hand it more than a single thread of work. A single NVMe drive does better than 4x SATA SSDs in RAID0 in mixed workloads for that reason alone, since NVMe can handle requests in parallel. That's why it's infinitely better to use a small M.2 NVMe drive to store primary .vdi files than a more expensive SATA SSD array.
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>>60488883
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9ChF9W
>4k 60hz
You should be getting a 1600X, obviously, even if it's games that mostly just use 4-6 threads like Overwatch. Ryzen is just plain better when GPU bottlenecked.
>the worst SSD you can buy
why?
>1070
probably ideal for those games if you've seen benchmarks that show they get 60fps at 4K.

Chage to a 1600X and a smaller cooler like 140-180w TDP and use those savings to get a decent 1TB SSD.

>>60488915
It handles them about half as well as a 1600X. You're better off getting a 4c/8t 22nm Xeon.
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Is a Noctua U12S decent enough for a 7700k housefire, or would it be wise to invest in the D14/D15. I'm really lost when it comes to coolers, the chart here confused me even more >>60483919

Also, is Noctua the only cooler manufacturer that doesn't have a retarded installation procedure? People complain about Be Quiet and Cooler Master a lot, but what about Scythe? The Ashura looks quite decent.
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barbies budget build April 2017

i5 7500 (glad I didn't fall for the ryzen meme)
h110m
rx 470
1x8 2400 (upgrading this month)
500gb (upgrading this month)
500w evga
no case( buying this month)
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>>60488985
look at their instruction manuals and find out
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>>60488849
yes, you absolutely need more video ram especially now.
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Hey guys eBay has discounts on processors, up $25-50 off. You have to have paypal though.
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>>60489097
Hm really? I bought my 1600X from ebay for $220 and didn't need to use Paypal. I hate paypal.
I paid directly with credit card.
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>>60489253
Yeah, i tried entering the code but it said i had to use paypal.
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>>60488833
OP here, thanks! This helps a bit!
To be more specific here, I asked this because once I got the money for it I planned to put two Samsung 960 PROs in either RAID 1 or RAID 0. I was in the stupid questions general asking if they were already NVME compatible so, I guess they are.

I also wanted to take a bunch of WD Reds together and put THEM in RAID 1 or RAID 10 so I could maximize my space and have my data as secure as possible. I'm not exactly looking to use regular SATA SSDs for storage but, maybe that'd be a better investment given the lower failure rate? Though, using them as purely storage while the 960s do their job for speed and performance sounds like something I'd need to think over a little more. Any ideas?
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>>60489288
>and have my data as secure as possible
>RAID
>secure
>RAID
>SECURE
>RAID
>RAIDRAIDRAIDRAIDSECURERAIDRAID
get the fuck out and learn about the basics before shitting up /g/ again
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how long will it be before i need to replace my 4790k/ddr3 setup
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>>60489405
About another year.
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>>60489288
>he thinks RAID secures his data
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I am wondering if i should buy a R9 380 4gb For 70 euros

Or stay with my GTX 570

The only games i play is Cities skylines and fallout 4
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Just bought this today https://www.asus.com/us/Graphics-Cards/DUAL-GTX1060-O3G/

how fucked am i?
btw it was this or a GTX 1050ti 4gb. No money for the 6gb 1060.
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Thinking of getting 2x Arctic F12 PWM for 4euros each for my Ryzen 5 1600 OC build.
Am i wasting my money? I already expect my r5 1600 to ship here on monday so i believe
getting a cpu cooler is pretty dumb considering the Wraith Spire is a very decent cooler.
Would getting case fans at all improve anything? I have lost the case window part so my
case is open but i've just positioned it against the wall. For gpu i'll wait for vega and if it
is delayed again i'll just get a gtx 1080, 1070 don't know if case fans would benefit their OC.
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>>60489021
>(glad I didn't fall for the ryzen meme)
pussy.
>bought a processor barely better at gayming while being significantly worse at everything else
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>>60489828
Only better at gaming if you close absolutely everything on the background,
don't forget how gaming benchmarks are made.
Also probably costed him more for the total rig than it would cost him for an
r5 1600 budget build.
>>
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/processormfg/?sort=chg
How is AMD falling behind after Ryzen 5. Are gaymers retarded?
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>>60489274
yeah some are paypal only. Wish you could just filter those out.

>>60489405
Probably 1-2 years. But it'll still be perfectly fine then just for 60fps still. Just if you want high fps in newer games

>>60489943
Steam is like 70% laptops, isn't it?
>Are gaymers retarded?
yes
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>>60489470
the RX 570 is a better card than the """""""""1060"""""""""""" 3gb

so yea you fucked up, see if you can cancel the order
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>>60490042
It isn't selling in my country yet
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>>60489999
Checked
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/cpus/
It's still almost half dual cores.
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>>60489662
Please hurry, i gotta make the order before they store closes.
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>>60490082
>PC master race
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>>60490074
then stop living in a 3rd world shithole, wait, or get a 470 because its still better than a 1060 3gb
>>
I'm upgrading from 1060 to 1080ti, do I need to uninstall drivers or just swap the cards?
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>>60490082
>Gaymurs
>all those shitty school computer 12 year olds install steam onto
>steam
yea its not representative
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>>60490119
>upgrading within the same generation
good goyim
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>>60490119
>1060
to
>1080ti
who does that
also yes
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>>60490119
Wait for the 2080ti.
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>>60490138
I got the 1060 when my 560ti died for 1080p, I'm getting the 1080ti for 1440p 165hz
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>>60490146
I love how Vega is now almost confirmed to not be coming out till at least q3 or q4. Lisa's comment about how yearly revenue wont grow after q2 makes it even more depressing.
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>>60490138
Yes, uninstall the driver?
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>>60490151
>being this much of a consumer whore
leave
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>>60490088
No, getting 2 case fans wont change anything. Maybe like 2 degrees at most, and since you lost your case window, most of the heat will exist out of there anyway.
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>>60490151
Could just wait for new architecture and keep that cash and do the jump into 4k.
It is just dumb to upgrade within the same generation of gpus.
>>60490165
Well duh, and download new ones from the nvidia website for the new gpu so you're sure they're the new version.
>>
so I have a 5k budget of not my money

give me the best meme machine suggestions
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>>60489468
It's a good value card, the used 380.
The only downside to it is that the heat can be a bit much.
If that's all you play, then yeah. Though if you want to pay more the RX560 does roughly the same at like 1/3rd or 1/4th the power usage.

>>60489470
The 3GB 1060 is a garbage card. It's a fake 1060. It's not just the lower VRAM that makes it worse. You fucked up bad. Should have just gotten a RX470 if there weren't RX570s available. Even if the RX470 costs 15% more, it's still well worth it.

>>60490151
The Dell? Isn't that not Gsync? You're not going to get 165fps at 1440p in every game unless you just play ones you know it'll hit that.

>>60490193
2p Ryzen9 1950X(tentative)
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>>60490230
No, it is gsync
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Fuck /pcbg/ I am retarded

I bought a closed loop liquid cooler, and just got 90% through installing it, except I then notice that the spot where my fan goes is recessed.

While the Radiator is the right size for the slot (120 mm), it is larger than the recess and doesn't actually fit.

The instructions want me to mount the radiator directly to case, and then the fan behind it, but can I get away with mounting the fan to the case, and the radiator behind that? It is the only way I'll get the damn thing to fit
>>
>>60490266
yeah, that's actually better for cleaning because you won't have dust stuck between the radiator and the fan
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>>60490193
Oh boy 5k, lets do this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pLWzd6
Don't think you can get anything higher performance wise
>>
semi-poorfag here

i have a lenovo thinkcentre with an i7. however, i'm not a fan of the case. i also have audio static issues that I suspect are either the motherboard or the PSU, as even a dedicated sound card did not get rid of the hissing and electrical noises (which i can even hear coming from the computer itself)

i'm thinking about harvesting the i7-3770, 480GB SSD, and 950 that I have in there, and buying a compatible motherboard, modular PSU, and microATX case to get everything sorted out.

The thing is, I suck at building PCs. I'm nervous about harvesting the CPU in case I bend a pin or some shit.

Wondering if it's worth harvesting the 3770 and 950, and moving it to a standard case, modular PSU, and non-OEMshit motherboard.
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>>60490303
for gayming*
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>>60490193
Two R7 1800x in SLI.
Don't know any motherboards off the top of my head, but any AM3+ should do.
8gb of 3666mhz RAM.
Two 1080ti in Crossfire.
Grab any old PSU that just about meets wattage consumption of your mahine.
Buy a mini fridge for the case. Built in fans and condensation for water cooling.
Spend the rest on RGB keyboard, mouse and strip lights to string about you fridge.

Let me know if that leaves you with any bodget left because I didn't run the numbers Anon.
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>>60490324
>but any AM3+ should do.
no. Ryzen uses the AM4 platform.
>>
Anything wrong with GTX 1080ti? I mean anything like cards dying, exploding, etc. Looking at an Asus Strix OC 1080ti to replace my aging 980ti classified.
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>>60490378
Nothing if you don't want to wait for vega
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>>60490359
>no. Ryzen uses the AM4 platform.
Your reply made me mad.
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>>60490308
Good luck getting an lga-1155 motherboard that isn't insanely priced or has been abused first off. Secondly, the static is usually bad motherboard or PSU. So get new ones of those as well.

Lastly, there are no pins on Intel chips, their pins are inside the motherboard socket. If you manage to somehow damage an Intel chip, you're truly special.
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>>60490308
this is what i was planning on getting
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why do motherboards still come with pcie 2.0?
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>>60490177
Should i just try to make one? I'm just looking into options to make overclocking at safer temps considering i plan to oc both ram and cpu and gpu.
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why shouldn't i wait for i9?
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>>60490404
I saw some Intel boards on Amazon for about $80. Pricey for what they are, but cheaper than getting a new CPU and motherboard.
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>>60490406
Get a decent semimodular PSU.
Cheap corsair PSUs are garbage.

>>60490465
Because R9 will BTFO it?
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>>60490465
because people have been waiting for the i9 for 6 years. Just like how people have been waiting for a mid-engined Corvette since the rumors started in the 1970's
>>
>>60490406
>>60490489
Was stuck too trying to figure out a decent psu, consider Thermaltake Smart SE 630 it's pretty good for the price.
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>>60490489
you don't know that
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>>60490489
Suggestions are greatly appreciated. I'm on a budget, but having a non modular PSU makes things difficult.
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>>60490406
I would get a nicer case, like a fractal or silverstone, and a nicer power supply, like a evga or seasonic
You don't need a toolkit, just a screwdriver, I have this https://www.lowes.com/pd/Kobalt-Double-Drive-Ql3-Quick-Load-35-Piece-Variety-Pack-Screwdriver-Set/1000084297 but even that is overkill if it's only for the pc
Also yes, it is worth reusing the 3770, it's still a competitve cpu
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>>60490465
>Not waiting for i11, fucking normies.
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>>60490393
Yea I'm just looking for a card to max 1440p on all new releases for the next year or so. If Vega turns out to be a monster of a card, I'll buy their top dog too. Fuck it.
>>
>>60490272
Alright, thanks, I really didn't want to have to take the motherboard out again to reswap mounting brackets
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>>60490519
Not USA? The M12II often goes on sale for $30-$40, and the 550 or 450RM often at $40-$50.

>>60490511
Yes I do. The performance either is easily extrapolated due to similar architectures.
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>>60490523
any suggestions for cheap, small-ish cases that are easy to build in?
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>>60490531
Well we're waiting for announcements on 31st, if the consumer ones don't come out in june i'm pulling the trigger on gtx 1070 or 1080 and get cucked by g-sync.
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>>60490442
Make a case window? Sure if you are able to do it.
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Upgrading soon™, any recommendations for a good motherboard and processor?
I have R9 290 and a asus maximus formula from like 2008.
>Pic related
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>>60490616
what use and budget?
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>>60490465
because threadripper made it DOA
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>>60490616
1700/1700x and some asrock mobo, that's about it the 290 is still a very good gpu
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>>60490646
gaming/entertainment ;), budget range of about 400$ - 600$, thanks for helping out.
>>
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TRBzd6
any tips?
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>>60490573
>any suggestions for cheap, small-ish cases that are easy to build in?
Carbide 88R.
Rosewil SRM-01 is one that's super small but still easy to build in, and cheap.
>>60490616
>>60490716
1600 or 1600X easily.
My fucking 7970 was bottlenecked by my i5-2500k even in babby games. It's so great now with my 1600X.
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>>60489828
well i built that for gaming and browsing ofc, and am not pretending i do heavy multithreaded workloads, like most of ryzen buyers in /g/ are
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>>60490912
Thanks for the help!
>>
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HZ88qk
Thoughts?
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>>60489863
nope. it actually resulted in less cost, because b350 mobo is more expensive than h110, and good 2666mhz+ ram is also more expensive than 2400mhz ram. 1600 costs more than 7500 too (i thought you were gonna say 1500X)
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>>60490944
I didn't know shitposting was heavily multithreaded
>>
Has anyone got a hot swap bay in their setup?

I've just installed one but it doesn't seem to work. Mechanical sata drives can be switched out perfectly fine but with SSDs it seems that I can only insert them in once and have to reboot for them to be detected.
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>>60490968
I would get at least a 480gb ssd
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>>60490968
here is a way better build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rdXVPs
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I'd like to build a Deep Learning Rig using a Ryzen X1800 and 4 GPU cards (either Nvidia 1080ti or AMD RX580).

My question is, how do I get four cards working on an AMD Ryzen board that may have enough PCIE slots but not enough room, i.e. using risers?
Thanks in advance.


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>>60491084
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rdXVPs
why barracuda and not caviar blue? real question
>>
Help, I need a small-as-possible ATX case with two 5.25 bays. No other storage required, in fact the less the better to save on space. Needs all 7 PCI slots though, and it has to be reasonably sturdy.

Cases I've considered:
Lian-Li PC-A05FN - Exactly what I'm looking for in concept, but the rigidity of the case is questionable (there's a youtube video of someone flexing it) and I don't like the idea of having my airflow go from back > front.
Silverstone GD09 - Shy just one 5.25 slot, I'd have bought this already if it had two.
Lian-Li PC-TU300 - Very portable, rigid looking, but lacks 5.25 slots.
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>>60490979
Well, considering you built it on a h110 at 2400mhz it'll probably perform significantly lower than a r5 1600 build
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pYgrsJ for refference.
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>>60491089
Biostar's bitcoin mining aimed board may help. They made a new one for AM4.
And you can use risers in addition to that.

>>60490968
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HZ88qk
>4 threads
>tiny SSD
>$1250 build that only has 4 threads and a 120GB SSD
>212evo meme shit cooler that can't tame the housefire
it's garbage dude. Why didn't you look at all shit in the thread at all?
I'm not going to bother pointing out in detail. You need to read the read and start over.
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>>60491084
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rdXVPs
>NVMe
You don't know much better, either.
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>>60490912
SRM-01 looks great. Should I look into an aftermarket cooler?
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>>60491471
For what?
Just use the stock one to start with an decide after that. Reviews will compare to stock.
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>>60491130
because its slightly cheaper and has performance better than a WD black

>>60491306
>being poor
stop being a cuck and go back your luddite containment thread
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>>60491536
>paying more money for literally 0 benefit
That makes you a cuck, not "not poor".
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>>60491267
>significantly

yeah my eyes will hurt because games will drop from 80 to 75 fps on my 60hz monitor
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>>60491626
They might do from having to drop a bunch of settings in very demanding titles. Also having limited multitasking sucks. Just admit you fucked up already anon with a couple bucks more you could've gone from that 4c/4t garbage to 6c/12t comfyness, feels good having browsers, discord, skype, work open on all my screens while my gayms lose nearly 0 performance. Have fun with 7500 that only gives <5 fps in some games at 100% cpu usage from an r5 1600 that only hits 65-70% cpu usage.
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>>60491602
>0 benefit
other than it being significantly faster and twice the space for like 25$ more, chill your autism you faggot
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>>60483795
This is what a $2000 "mid-highend" PC looks like in Ontario, Canuckistan. brb offing myself.
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>>60491859
feels bad man
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>>60491859
Well, at least your Prime Minister's 100 times better than Trump
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>>60491910
DUDE NUCLEAR CODES LMAO
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>>60491724
>drop a bunch of settings
bf1 runs at high+ultra mesh 1080p60 conquest/ops
ultra 1080p60 on all other game modes
and thats on single channel ram. i seriously dont know what so many techtubers were talking about, maybe just shilling the 480 over the 470 for 1080p gaming, and the K processors over the non k, but i dont see any noticeable difference. i am glad i spent the cash i saved on games, mice and headset, and not on hyped and unpolished hardware, and glad i just pluged everything on the mobo without further jerking around with uefi settings. ryzen is more hassle than it is worth right now.

>falling for the % usage meme

you know it is just multithreading biasing the monitoring, right? a 4/8 beyond 50-60% is just 100% on all physical cores. also, have fun tweaking your 3200mhz expensive ram to run at 2933 after updating your bios every 2 days just to get 5 more dropped fps on your 60hz screen
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Need a new AM4 board cause ASRock.

Looking at the MSI B350 PC Mate (pic related). Good choice for a single GPU setup? I have a 1700 and just want it to get up to boost speeds, not hugely interested in overclocking.
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>>60491760
NVMe is not faster in real world use. You're an idiot.
For $130 you can get a 512-525GB SSD instead.

>>60491859
Get 2x8GB unless that's some amazing deal.
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>>60491973
What is up with ASRock? I'd recommend asrock b350 pro4 or fatality k4.
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>>60485373
> i7 Housefire
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>>60485851
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JV7GYr
If your friend recommended an i7 for editing work, he's an idiot. Get a Ryzen instead.
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>>60492009
BIOS update to 2.2 bricked it.

I bought it from a dude new for cash cause he wanted to avoid a restocking fee from the vendor, and vendor wouldn't honor me with an RMA cause I wasn't original purchaser. Shitty situation but downtime is a higher issue for me than a $129AU board.
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>>60487356
2666 is OC ram. When you run DDR4 at a clock higher than 2133, you are overclocking your memory.
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>>60492009
Also it was the Pro4 that I had issues with and want to curb stomp now.
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>>60487903
You're a dumbass if you think this.
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>>60491996
It is the cheapest DDR4-2666 on there right now. https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#sort=price&s=402666&Z=16384002,16384004
>>
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/RrmN4C

This is what I have so far. I have an RX 580 as my first choice to pair with my 1600, but because of >Australian prices I've been thinking about either saving some money by dropping down to a 480, or bumping it up to a 1070 for higher performance. This will primarily be used for running games in 1080p/144hz, so I also looked at the 570 prices here and it honestly doesn't seem worth it.

I also need help picking out my case. I don't have all that much space left, so I'd like something a little bit more compact if that's possible. I looked at my options and those cube shaped cases seem iffy to me.

All in all, I'd like to know if I fucked anything up in my posted build. I'm mostly concerned because I want to get the most bang for my buck.
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>>60491936
Well, you're only talking from your user perspective according to what you see.
Also i wasn't talking about a 4/8 ryzen but about a 6/12 ryzen which is what i'm
comparing 7500 to and is also the best value for money option from amd.
Also you still haven't addressed multitasking and how that affects your performance,
unless you're used to game with everything else closed on a single screen setup
i do find that specific part of i5s being the biggest factor for them being a dead
cpu line-up considering their price in comparison to r5 1600.
>also, have fun tweaking your 3200mhz expensive ram to run at 2933
The only people that have been having ram speed issues are usually the people
that don't know how to do proper builds or properly update their bios while backing
up to not brick their motherboards.
All low-end b350 already have a couple rams listed being supported at 3200mhz speeds
just fine and many more to come in the next agesa update which is less than a month
away. The issues people are having with ryzen are just usual issues people have when
buying very new hardware while not knowing what they're doing.
>just to get 5 more dropped fps on your 60hz screen
that will also mean having 5 more fps headroom for more demanding titles that will allow me
to stay at high settings for a longer time in the future, it is also more than 5 fps when comparing
to a 7500 in an user enviroment(things eating cpu usage in the background) instead of a benchmark
enviroment.
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>>60492068
No, 2666 is considered non-OC on Ryzen in the 2 main DIMM channels.
Just like 2400 is consider non-OC on Kabylake.
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>>60492198
>you still haven't addressed multitasking:
i did, here:
>>60490944
"i built that for gaming and browsing ofc"

>unless you're used to game with everything else closed
how do you game, anon? you browse the web, watch video and use social media while gaming? do you have multithreaded eyes to do all that at the same time? how is your inmersion affected in the game you playing?

>b-but muh video encoding and rendering and streaming..!
how's that youtube/twitch channel going?

>on a single screen setup
>what is budget

>usually the people that don't know how to do proper builds
so, like console gamers who are considering to switch to pc and are reading this general? who are expected to know little to nothing about pcs, right?

>All low-end b350 already have a couple rams listed being supported
>a couple
see?

>The issues people are having with ryzen are just usual issues people have when
buying very new hardware while not knowing what they're doing.
so what do you call the usually hassleless and zero problems experience people are having building intel systems? are they wrong because they didnt get to mess around with their hardware a little more? it is their fault amd rushed its products so now they have to make them work properly?

>in the future
when ryzen 2 launches with no 4/4 lineup, 2 years from now

ryzen is for people who already have pcs (ivy and sandy bridge pcs) and *enjoy* troubleshooting and tweaking their hardware frequently. it makes pc building less like playing with legos, which i am afraid, might make people less prone to switch to pc gaming. hopefully ryzen 2 will be more user friendly and more approachable.
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>>60492709
You don't have to be actively using the browser. It uses resources in the background. Lots on a 4c/4t.

I don't really know anyone that turns off their browsers, irc, discord, etc etc etc just to play a fucking game.
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>>60492709
I don't understand how this shit is an argument.

I change from an i5-2500k which has the same 3.7GHz boost as the 1600X's all-core boost.
It's 2 more cores, 3x the threads.
The difference is incompareable for me.
The i5-2500k would stutter all the fucking time, freeze up just swapping between windows, and would use 100% of an entire core trying to decode twitch at 1080p60fps.
The 1600X just uses 1.5% CPU decoding 1080p60fps on twitch and never lags or stutters or anything.

Maybe there's some fucktarded benchmark that shows the i5-2500k is similar or even better in gaming, but I don't see that at all. The i5-2500k was bottlenecking my 7970 that came out the same year as it.

Shills on /g/ repeatedly try to defend a 4c/4t, but I don't see it. Yeah I know a new one has higher IPC and blah blah, but if you are playing a game that uses 4 threads(most do) while also decoding twitch to watch on your second monitor, you suddenly have a fucking 3 core. Enjoy it, dumb faggot.
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>>60492736
likewise, i dont see my 11 chrome tabs eating up 50% of my cpu. if anything, you'd need more ram to keep it in the background and return to it seamlessly.
>>60492795
next time try decoding video on a kabylake cpu, instead
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>>60492945
>next time try decoding video on a kabylake cpu
why, when my 1600X does 1080p60fps using only 1.5% of CPU and one of 12 threads without wasting die space on a dedicated encoder?
Just perfectly illustrates how dumb that shit is and how it's better to just have more raw power in most cases.
Why would I get a 7600k that's only like 30% better than that i5-2500k when the 1600X is 3-4x better?
Maybe if Intel didn't keep rehashing the same shit every year for 6+ years, I'd have bought it.

>you'd need more ram to keep it in the background and return to it seamlessly.
I had 16GB of fast RAM in that system.
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Skyrim New Vegas Fallout 4 mmorpg and new titles
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How much performance do I lose not overclocking an R7 1700? Is it worth getting still?
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>>60492945
>decoding video on a kabylake cpu
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>>60493495
its ok
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>>60489021
you fucked up by wanting to be parts of brand wars, well played.

>>60489863
>Only better at gaming if you close absolutely everything on the background
Nope, not even that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

Even on fresh bench stations it shits the bed

>>60490944
You are wrong, most Ryzen buyers do not heavily multitask or do heavily multithreaded things. The R5 1600 is just straight up a better choice over any i5, except from a few fringe cases. That's why we keep recommending it. When the competition gets 85%+ usage with spikes to 100% in any AAA games from the past 2 years, of course we're gonna recommend the CPU with more core availables.

>>60492709
>how do you game, anon? you browse the web, watch video and use social media while gaming?
Software running in the background while you're gaming certainly do affect the gaming experience, especially if you have near 100% CPU usage while said gaming.

You can try validating your purchase as much as you want, everyone from /pcbg/ disagrees with your purchase. Buying 4c4t that gets to 100% usage in fucking GTA V in 2017 is madness. I hope you won't regret it too much. There's a reason Intel is also moving to 6 cores for mainstream.
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>>60493495
Get a 500GB SATA SSD instead.
And get a motherboard with built in wifi instead of the adaptor? Even if you have one already, it tends to be better than a USB one.

You could really probably get a 1440p monitor, considering what you play, too. Even with the same old GPU.
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>>60492160
Could save some money by going mATX mobo and mATX case
Your build is good, though the 3200MHz ram really isn't needed
Could also save money by not going Samsung for the SSD. Kingston, Sandisk and other brands are usually cheaper and still pretty good.
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>>60493587
>That next to miniscule FPS difference but colossal CPU usage difference in Ryzen's favor
Holy fucking SHIT

THAT'S what people on here call "slow"? THAT'S meant to be a huge sacrifice in speed? Fuck me, anon. I think you've opened my eyes here.
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>>60493698
It's actually not even slower most of the time because the i5 hits 100% and becomes the bottleneck, lowering the FPS.
Only tomb raider has it below.
4 cores is really shit, can't believe i keep saying people getting i5s today.
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>>60493529
Why won't you OC?
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>>60493529
>How much performance do I lose not overclocking an R7 1700?
About 15%
> Is it worth getting still?
For non-gayming, yes. But just get a 1600X/1700X/1800X on sale instead?
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>>60493529
If you can make use of the 8 cores, OC is not needed.
The performances gained by OC'ing can be pretty decent, here is a x264 & x265 benchmark (something that can actually use the 16 threads) and you can see the 1800x & 1700x quite ahead of the 1700. You might not see is at a big difference but it is, considering the 1800x is scraping the ten cores 6950x, whereas the 1700 is under the 6900k.

For gaming, you'd see a decent performance increase, but you'd gain 10% or less FPS at best (which really isn't that high, that's 12FPS higher than 120, which really isn't worth the cost of the $50 cooler)

Getting higher frequency memory would improve performance more than OCing for gaming.
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>>60493698
>THAT'S what people on here call "slow"? THAT'S meant to be a huge sacrifice in speed?
Not people, Anon. Shills.
Intel has a big marketing budget.
They make billions ever year even after all the money they give to feminist frequency while AMD is always in the black.
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Friend wants to PC game for cheap but don't know if he'll ditch his ps4pro. Want to have two options, one for replacing his ps4 and one for going alongside it for lighter games like mmos, mobas,
and emulating. I think these two options are good but I feel like I can still cut corners, especially on the lower end one. Any input?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QfWfcc
Targeting $700 for a ps4 pro replacement.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xrrq8K
Targeting sub $500 for lighter gaming.
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>>60494086
16GB isn't really needed for low end gaming, and a GTX 1050 outperforms an RX 560
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should I turn my 1tb external hard drive into an internal hard drive?
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>>60494203
well if you want to, sure
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>>60494086
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QfWfcc
Get an RX570 4GB instead, that's already 2.5x better than the PS4 pro GPU. Drop the HDD as well and use the savings to get like a 500GB SSD. That should only be a few dollars over budget.

>>60494086
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xrrq8K
Solid, but again I'd just drop the GPU entirely, just use the iGPU until your friend runs into a game he can't play on it, and use that savings to get an SSD.
SSD are so nice and difficult to upgrade into later
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New beta BIOS for Asus C6H with AGESA 1006 (ram overclock improvements)
look out for bios updates in the following days for your mobo
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>>60488975
This build is mainly for Photoshop, as I've seen benchmarks that show that the ryzen 1700 lags behind the i7 7700k I went for the i7. I'll change to the 960 evo and probably swap the CPU cooler to a 212 led/evo since I won't be overclocking. How does it look now?
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https://pcpartpicker.com/user/foxhunt/saved/#view=M2r8dC

would I be able to run windows 7 on this or would there be driver compatiability issues ?
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>>60494482
There are aspects of photoshop that are much better with more cores. For the ones that are single threaded, the single core perf of the 1600X is plenty.
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>>60494482
>as I've seen benchmarks that show that the ryzen 1700 lags behind the i7 7700k I went for the i7.
Those are GAMING benchmarks anon. Not multi-threaded workout benchmarks. Any benchmark that isn't gaming, the Ryzen 7 series walks all over the i7
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>>60494540
No, he's talking about photoshop benchmarks
Photoshop and any Adobe product in general are poorly multithreaded
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>>60494530
There are Win7 drivers for this motherboard, so it'll be okay.
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Bout to pack up my things in a few weeks to head back home for the summer. Would I be safe just putting my tower in the car with this big cooler on my CPU or would I have to take it off/stuff the case with junk to make sure it doesn't move?
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>>60494530
See this >>60485464
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>>60494549
remove the cooler or that thing is gonna rip your socket out.
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>>60494325
why would it be hard to upgrade the ssd ?
I tought putting extra hard drives in was quite easy
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>>60490303
Why do this when for 5k you can just build your own 2 xeon server with 128gb of Rams or more and still have enough left over for 1tb ssd?
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Thoughts?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WBMMQV
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>>60494611
What are you using it for?
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>>60494629
High-end Gaming, VR Gaymen, and just General PC use.

No video editing.
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>>60494635
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VZ6N4C
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>>60494695
Thanks.
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>>60494695
>r7 1700 for general PC use
you're bad at this
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>>60494724
My thoughts, but figured I was mistaken.

Ryzens are better for multitasking, right?
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>>60494724
How so...?
Lets you run all sorts of stuff at once. All the browser tabs and bots and shit.

>>60494546
The main reason Ryzen is better for PS is that you can do something like rendering that uses 100% of all 16 threads yet PS doesn't lag. Do the same thing on a 6900k and PS lags. HT is so much inferior to SMT.
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>>60494764
>Lets you run all sorts of stuff at once. All the browser tabs and bots and shit.
For general PC use the 4 cores 8 threads of the 7700k are plenty, he wouldn't make any use of the 8 cores.

>The main reason Ryzen is better for PS is that you can do something like rendering that uses 100% of all 16 threads
There is no rendering effect that can uses 16 threads to their fullest in PS.
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>>60494611
Not bad, I'd drop to the 1070 since you're at 1080p.

This anon's build >>60494695 is meh for VR because of the significantly lower single core performance of the 1700

>>60494325
>Get an RX570 4GB instead, that's already 2.5x better than the PS4 pro GPU.
Literal retard. The 570 might be 2.5X the standard PS4 GPU, but definitely not the Pro. The Pro is basically an underclocked RX470 by shader count.

All your opinions are invalidated unless otherwise confirmed.

>>60494086
Not that great. Check these builds.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/

>>60493860
>while AMD is always in the black.
You meant red, retard.

>>60493728
>4 cores is really shit
Not at all. Even 2c/4t is decent for budget, and the 4c/8t 1500X is a great gaming CPU. GTFO shithead
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>>60494820
>rendering effect
... Bruh, do you even remotely know what you're talking about?
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Hey, I'm looking to do a major upgrade & replace almost every part of my system.

One of the 'parts' I'm NOT replacing though is the OS- w7.
And I'm wondering if it's worth the file-juggling to work an SSD into the mix.

Thinking about starting a raid array as well, since I can't be assed to maintain an external backup, and adding an SSD seems like it might complicate that.

Am I being a faggot in any of this?
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>>60494833
>Not that great. Check these builds.
>https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
oh wow, can't believe you're still there
not giving up are you? with your shitty fucking links.

>Not at all. Even 2c/4t is decent for budget
I obviously meant current i5s by saying 4c were shit. $180 to $240 for 4c4t is really, really shit compared to AMD's offerings. It should be much lower in price.
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>>60494820
>There is no rendering effect that can uses 16 threads to their fullest in PS.
while rendering something else, dumbass. Like in Premiere, or Blender. Most people that use those also use PS.

>>60494833
Go look up the specs, you
>Literal retard.
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>>60494859
>The main reason Ryzen is better for PS [...]
>while rendering something else, dumbass. Like in Premiere, or Blender. Most people that use those also use PS.
Stop moving the goal post you autist, you're shit at recommending parts, please go away from this thread.
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>>60493532
Back to /v/, #housefire shithead

>>60493529
If you're gaming you're going to see a significant boost with a mild (3.9GHz) OC

>>60492795
>The i5-2500k would stutter all the fucking time, freeze up just swapping between windows
Sounds like you had some software or OS issues. Or maybe dying hard drive. Just because you can't keep a system running smoothly doesn't mean you have to blame something outside yourself for your stupidity. Face it, no reason a 2500K should be lagging in everyday tasks.

>>60492709
TL;DR. Fucking garbage post. Get out retard

>>60492160
Not sure about the AU prices, but the 570 is a great deal in the US. 1070 is generally a waste at 1080p, especially if you're trying to save a little money.

Get an SSD, drop to 8GB of RAM, get an aftermarket cooler for the 1600.

>>60492083
While I agree with you, your post is a worthless ad hominem attack. Don't reply to trolls.
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I guess I'm so specific that it wont show everyting I need, like the uATX case I chose on newegg.

I would use it for 4k30, 1080p60 h.264 video editing, and slight gaming on the side.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/power-supply/#qq=1
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>>60494904
you messed up the link you baka
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>>60494911

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zC3N4C
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>>60494841
Anyone? Anyone?

I see we've got some heated shitposting in here but this is an opportunity to double-thread your shitposting.
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>>60494841
Post speccy

>>60494851
>I obviously meant
Too bad you're too stupid to even write clearly. I'd forgive someone for fucking up verbally in conversation since talking is on the fly, but you have time to proofread your posts.

You said 4c is shit for gaming, which it clearly isn't. Even i5s aren't bad at gaming, just bad value. You're nothing but a flamewarrior retard

>>60494904
>>60494922
Not a great build. i5s are defunct with the release of Ryzen
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>>60494942
Are you saying that if I replaced it with a ryzen, it'll be a good build?
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>>60494963
Check these builds
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
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>>60494904
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cCfxd6
Better at video editing & encoding build because of more threads and higher clocks, although more expensive
CPU unlocked and higher clocked, leaves path for overclocking in the future if needed.
AM4 mobo which leaves upgrade path to CPUs up to 4 years from now on
For the PSU, any 500 - 550w one will do the job, as long as it's not a no-name brand.

>>60494942
>Too bad you're too stupid to even write clearly.
Oh wow you sure are mad, not gonna bother reading the rest
If you wanna act like a child go to reddit or something, this is /pcbg/, not your garbage bin
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>>60494984
Jesus christ will you fucking stop do this
>Check these build =)) without any more explanation whatsoever
you aren't helping him
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>>60494874
No goalpost was moved, you retard.
I said at the start
>you can do something like rendering that uses 100% of all 16 threads yet PS doesn't lag
>something
>like rendering

Fuck off and never come back to /pcbg/. I can recognize your retarded posts by how you retarded you are. It's fucked when it's so obvious you're the same dumbass that can never get a clue that I can continuously pick you out day after day.
For the dozenth time, kill yourself.
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>>60494989
>this is /pcbg/
And it's filled with shitheads. Time to take out the trash, which means shit on the morons until they either shape up or shut up.

>>60494994
It's a clear comparison. He can ask any pointed questions he wants later. He is a little behind the times, and the template builds are quite educational.
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>>60494989
I would Probably get the AMD Ryzen 7 1700 because it keeps at that 65 watt while producing better performance. But I'm an intel guy.
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Thank you for takings the AIO vs air cooler stuff off of the OP. If you have a big chip and plan on overclocking and running it hard, a liquid cooler is the better bet. Air coolers are great for small chips or ones that are at stock clocks.
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>>60485117
that tape is a warranty seal to prevent people from changing the card manufacturers parts. no need to remove it unless you are trying to water cool it
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>>60494924
I built a PC for my mom with a Skylake and tried to install W7 on it because she already had a key. It was a massive pain in the ass because Windows 7 has no drivers AT ALL built in. I had to roll USB3.0 drivers into the W7 installer, and then once it was all installed the only way to get drivers onto it was to move the SSD into my PC, download all of them, and then plug it into her PC.

I did end up getting it working, but it took hours and wasn't worth it. Oh and it took a bunch more fucking around to get updates working.

Don't fall for the RAID meme, just get a big external HD and copy your files to it.
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>>60495013
If he picked a $180 CPU for video editing an R7 1700 is most likely out of his budget.

>>60495004
>>60495009
This isn't the first time you've accused me of being someone i'm not, it's pretty funny. I'm not gonna bother argue with you, your threads aren't gonna make it in the long run, and the more i talk to you the more you cause even more drama.

>>60495022
I personally agree with what it said though, it didn't say that AIO were bad but that they generally weren't the wiser choice, implying that they are great at some situations but for others you'd be wasting money
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>>60495032
You're right I forgot to check the prices.
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>>60494942>>60494841
Shit I'm still building it
All the typical garbage from LI's "exceptional"
7700
1080 ti x1
asus 270 mobo

HDDs would be a bunch of 2tb'ers, (4-6 if it's a raid), SSD would be <500gb

Aiming for 2-2.5k$


Hmm, say, could I set up a raid that only backs up my OS drive, since that's where all my documents are?
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>>60495032
The two posts you linked (004 and 009) aren't the same person. 009 is mine; the other is likely a resident moron. Anyway I didn't accuse you of being anyone in my post. Turn your eye inward, considering you're the pot calling the kettle black.

>>60495050
RAID isn't a backup. You have a lot of reading to do
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>>60495032
Would the case at least fit?
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>>60495066
what?
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>>60495070
Would the build at least fit inside of the slim uATX case?
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>>60495078
Yes, it's an mATX mobo, so it does fit in an mATX case.
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>>60495083
Including the low profile 1050 ti and the Mdisc writer?
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>>60495096
Yes. Cable management is gonna be pretty tight though.
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Does cable management actually matter? I have an old as shit non-modular PSU and an old case. Both were nice for 2008 but the cable management is terrible for a number of reasons. There are no SSD mounts, no real room to stow unused cables, and I also wouldn't mind getting a smaller mATX case since I have an mATX mobo.

Should I get a new case + PSU and if so what's good for cheap?
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>>60495031
I've had a large external sitting around not getting used since the goddamn thing has to sip data through a straw & it hogs resources while it's doing it.
Not to mention the nightmarish 3rd party software.
>Just set it to back up during the night
Fuck the goddamn wake-from hibernate/sleep/let it sleep and fuck everything up software assfuckery.
And fuck routinely leaving it on all night.

RAID sounds convenient.


Good to know with the xHCI business though, thanks, will read up on it more.
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>>60495122
You don't need a modular PSU for good cable management, you can always stuff all your shit behind the mobo
Cable management is better for slightly improved airflow and most important, being able to make any change to your PC without much hassle
I could change my PSU very fast because of good cable management, nothing is in the way of it. Same goes for mobo. just unplug everything from it, remove the part, place the new one and plug everything back. No cables to move around or anything, it's pretty quick.

No idea about which are cheap and good.
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>>60495032
Everyone knows it's you. Look at the multiple people calling you out for the same shit you keep doing every thread. You're so god damned stupid.
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>>60495169
Again, you're mistaking me for someone else.
I never get any retard calling me names except when i criticise that one retard trying to force his bad shill OP on us.
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>>60495169
You're probably confusing him with me. I'm https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/#view=CmDHxr, the anon that the resident /pcbg/ morons love to hate.

>>60495191
>shill shill shill
You know how I know you're stupid?
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>>60495204
>the anon that the resident /pcbg/ morons love to hate.
So /pcbg/ hating on one retard trying to force his opinions on us is supposed to be bad or something?
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>>60495213
Guess what, 90% of my opinions are shared by this thread. You wouldn't even know about the benefits of fast RAM if I hadn't pushed benchmarks daily in the Skylake days. The only reason my tiered builds are labeled "bad" is that the resident morons fear me.

I challenge you. Find something that needs correction in any of these builds.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/#view=CmDHxr
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>>60495229
>no builds using an R5 1600
Do you even meme?
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>>60495229
You could literally copy this thread build for all i care, your links still won't be welcomed

Also, the R5 1600 isn't even in there even though it's the best fucking vaue CPU there is at the moment, and the best for gamers too in term of overall strengths
>inb4 but in the description i say you can change to an r5 1600
That makes no fucking sense, the R5 1600 should be the go-to choice, not something you can change to
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>>60492221
Noooo.... the DDR4 spec list 2133 as it's operating speed. *ANY* speed over that is running above spec and is considered OC'd memory.
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>>60495263
You are entirely right
He is confusing this and the official memory frequency support where Ryzen officially supports higher memory than Intel
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woof
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>>60495185
>>60495185
>>60495185
New thread
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>>60495249
Check description, if you can figure out how to access it.

>>60495255
The 1600 needs an aftermarket cooler to support even a mild OC, which increases costs further. In general I agree that it's the best price/perf CPU on the market, but the 1500X is plenty for gaming, and it's cheaper. No real reason to get the 1600 right now for gaming solely, especially considering that the upgrade path is a lot sweeter.

You will be able to more than double your CPU performance later when upgrading to an 8c/16t Ryzen2 or 3 CPU with greater efficiency and clock speeds. Six core to eight core upgrade is a lot less justifiable, so you're stuck with a mediocre six core if you get the 1600 now. But obviously to each his own, which is why the 1600 upgrade is MENTIONED IN EVERY RYZEN BUILD.
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>>60495255
If that's all you can come up with, my point is proven. There are no mistakes.
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>>60495032

It's good unless you're running an i7 or 1700x/1800x with a solid oc and you want to keep temps low. You can run a chip to its limits and keep it under 60c with a liquid cooler. Air coolers are less expensive and have less risk, but they just can't take care of heat as effectively
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>>60495322
>overclock all the things meme
Goddamn you're insufferable

>The 1600 needs an aftermarket cooler to support even a mild OC
Not really. It comes with the same Wraith Spire cooler the 1500X does, and can handle an OC to 3.7 GHz. A 1500X has the same limit with the same cooler.
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>>60495366

Some of us are running big boy CPUs
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>>60495391
>he thinks an LGA1151 7700k is a big boy CPU
come back when you have 16 or more cores.
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>>60495404

My 6700k goes toe toe with any of those 8 core AMD chips in gaming and most of them in number crunching. You guys make it sound like more cores is gospel but it's all about utilization
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>>60495366
>It comes with the same Wraith Spire cooler the 1500X does
Yeah, but the Spire has to cool two more active cores on the 1600 (+50% cores). It doesn't cut it. Notice the TDP difference between the 1500X and the 1600X, which is basically what you're trying to turn the 1600 into.

>A 1500X has the same limit with the same cooler.
Incorrect. The 1500X can easily hit 3.9 on its stock cooler.
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>>60495426
Gaming doesn't need big boy CPUs. 6700k isn't big boy cpu, it's kid gaming cpu.
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>>60495426
>My 6700k goes toe toe with any of those 8 core AMD chips in gaming and most of them in number crunching.
lol no, your shit cucklake cpu isnt even better than a 4790k




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