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>>60971811
First for Lennart Pottery is the hero we need.
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first for source mage
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debian GNU/Hurd 2017 version was "released" with the usualy debian iso formats (netboot, full CDs)
https://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd/2017/06/msg00017.html

PROTIP: during installation install only from the CD. Install components and update from network mirrors only from an installed system. Edit sources.list, remove the CD, add the standard sid sources
deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main
deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main


and uncomment the debian ports lines already there.
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Friendly reminder that Google Fuchsia will soon take over gnu+linux. It's an Operating system running on a microkernel (Magenta) allowing closed source drivers. GPL is a cancer.
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>>60971949
10 rupees have been deposited to your account Rajeet.
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switching back to ubuntu mate from windows 8, should i go with 16.04 LTS or 17?
are there any noticable differences between the two?
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>>60971949
>microkernel
no thanks
>closed source drivers
isn't the nvidia kernel module closed source?
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>>60971545
The firewall on my phone (client's internet access point) was one problem.

>>60971587
>this is happening becase IP:PORT is not the syntax ssh accepts.
Ah fuck, thank you.
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>>60971949
>fuchsia
>fucks ya
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>>60971949
not with that name it won't
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>>60971811

I just installed my first ever Linux system, putting a Debian 9/XFCE on a brand new Lenovo. I can confirm that everything just werks out of the box. My only problem was that I can't get temps for the Intel 405 GPU. I ran sensors-detect in root, said y to everything but still nothing. My GPU shows fine in lspci and OpenGL info.
I read somewhere that Mesa Intel GPU drivers aren't as good as Win drivers. Is it true?
Also I get great CPU temps. I mention because people complained about overheating on Linux but I'm getting 40 idle and 50ish under load.
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how much performance loss do i have while using 32bit gnu plus linux system on my 64 bit computer
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>>60972029
-memory intensive programs suffer performance loss
-programs can be optimized to use x64-exclusive registers. said programs cannot optimize these in 32bit mode.
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>>60972029
Very little. It might shave a few percent off intensive math workloads that benefit from the more advanced isa and longer words.
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>>60971892
>debian GNU/Hurd 2017 version was "released" with the usualy debian iso formats (netboot, full CDs)https://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd/2017/06/msg00017.htmlPROTIP: during installation install only from the CD. Install components and update from network mirrors only from an installed system. Edit sources.list, remove the CD, add the standard sid sourcesdeb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid maindeb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sid main

Yeah, I got over the 'scanning mirror' part by hitting Esc or ctrl-r-del. Apt works fine once the OS is installed.
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>>60972027
did you try typing
$ sensors

into your terminal?
>I'm getting 40 idle and 50ish under load
wait, so it does work?
I'm confused
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>>60972046
>>60972066
good to know, guess I'll just update my T400's RAM to 4GB then
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Can someone tell me more about Qubes OS. I currently run on openSuse but have to run some windows programs for work which i do in VirtualBox since I couldnt set up a shared folder in virtmanager. Since I already run my computer similarly [I think] the way Qubes works [VMs for various tasks], I think this would be easier all-together. How different/more difficult it would be to work in Qubes?
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>>60972091
>I get great CPU temps
>CPU

>I can't get temps for the Intel 405 GPU
>GPU

(Not him).
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>>60972027

Also, I plan to switch my workstation to Debian 9 too in the fall.
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>>60971960
>>60971988
>>60972000
>>60972007

You may think it is a matter of years but i can ensure you that Fuschia is full effort from Google. The kernel is actually being developed by veterans from Palm, Apple, BeOs, ... and the OS already has a UI made for both the mobile and the desktop. Fuschia is not an experimental project but is intended to be the next dominant OS for desktop, mobile, and cloud/server computing.

>>60971988
>isn't the nvidia kernel module closed source?
anything running in the linux kernel must be open source due to the GPLv2. This is why Sony favored BSD over linux.
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>>60972105
a special snowflake OS based on bad memes.
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>>60972110
I'm retarded
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>>60972091
>>I'm getting 40 idle and 50ish under loadwait, so it does work?I'm confused

Those are the CPU temps.
Also what does $ do?
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>>60972135
>Also what does $ do
you don't type that, it just symbolizes the shell prompt
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>>60972135
To add to what the other anon said: people often include the last bit of the shell prompt when they post commands because it's a convenient indicator of whether the command should be run as a normal user ($) or as root (#).
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I had to use boot-repair to fix my laptop mint install yesterday and now there's no applications in the start menu
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what is the best position for doing linux related stuff including programming while lying in bed, without putting your thinkpad somewhere on your body
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Very much a noob here, so any input is appreciated. Trying to keep total build under $750. 1080p 60hz monitor, and mainly for gaming. Hope to run most games at 60fps on high-ultra settings. Let me know if i should swap/change anything out for a cheaper and better option. Thanks lads.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/h6s4VY
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>>60972182
Downward dog.

>>60972119
Please elaborate.
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>>60972118
>this is why sony favored bsd over linux
and this is a good thing?
they leeched off the bsd codebase without contributing anything
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>>60972208

>games
>Linux
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>>60972208
ok
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>>60972208
does this look like
-the pc building general
-stupid questions thread
-/v/ - the vidya
?

No. Fuck off.
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>>60972248
its the friendly gnu/linux thread so, so you might change your attitude a bit

>>60972208
h*ck off
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>>60972239
>>60972248
>>60972240

"Friendly" GNU/Linux thread.
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Hey, what's a good, GNU/Linux-friendly file format for viewing comic books? I don't like the compression when I consolidate images into PDFs, plus, calibre behaves really weird when it comes to PDF. Same for epub.
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>>60972296
cbz/cbr/cb7 work just fine with comix
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>>60972154
>>60972167

I see, thanks.

Running sensors in user shows only CPU temps, under root it also shows HDD temps. No GPU on either of them.
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I am looking into cron jobs. When I edit the crontab, the leading comment in the file says:
# Output of the crontab jobs (including errors) is sent through
# email to the user the crontab file belongs to (unless redirected).


Where do I tell it which email address to use?
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>>60972395
/etc/aliases

Alias root to your main user to get email from root's cronjobs.

Consider chronic, from the moreutils package, to make cronjobs produce output only when something goes wrong.
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>>60972208
is this bait
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>>60972208
>mainly for gaming
>ryzen
kek
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>>60972452
I added my user name to /etc/cron.allow and created a crontab for him. Here it is:
MAILTO="anon@emailhost.net"

# m h dom mon dow command
*/5 * * * * echo "crontest"

I *should* be getting an email every 5 minutes saying "crontest", right?
Do I need to forward SMTP ports or set up a local email server first?
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>>60972481
I think it just uses the sendmail program, so probably.
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>>60972481
Ah, you want to send mail to a foreign host. Quite a different beast.

I know very little about this. There's a good chance you already have an email server, but other servers will probably reject your mail if your host doesn't have a domain name - I think it goes like that.

If you don't plan on hosting a full-fledged mail server on that machine, I think what you'd need to do is instruct sendmail, or whoever it is, to use an external email server instead of the local one. Pulling this out of my ass, though.
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Dumb question, but it's Linux, so seems like the right thread.

So I'm installing Mint/Mate on a Dell Latitude D531 (https://www.cnet.com/products/dell-latitude-d531/specs/), and it's been installing for easily 20 minutes. PC is old as shit, but it seems stuck at the same spot. Should I bounce it and retry?
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>>60972522
>>60972506
Hmm, installing sendmail now. Basically I have a server for SSH and SVN but its external IP is dynamic for the moment. I want to set up a cronjob that finds out the external IP daily at 4 am, then sends an email to my personal account at openmailbox.org which tells me how to reach my server.
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>>60972538
isnt sendmail an archaic vulnerability ridden MTA
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>>60972538
>>60972559
I think what you should do in this case is forget about cron's mailing function, find a scriptable email client that can work with any usual SMTP/POP/IMAP account (maybe cone, alpine?), then write a script that fetches your external IP address and then runs that email client to send email to you.

I think this is in fact what you're currently trying to do, but just in case.
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>>60972664
Gotcha. Would have been convenient if I could just let cron take care of it but I guess this is what I'll have to do.
Got any recommendations?
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>>60972670
Never used any. A quick scan of mutt's manpage doesn't suggest it can use external accounts. In my repos I found the two I already mentioned and also "sendemail" which clearly states it works from the command line (the other two might just have ncurses, interactive interfaces for all I know) and has few dependencies.
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typing enp0s25 is such a bitch

thanks poettering
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>>60972664
We, there should be an mta like procmail or exim installed already and instructions on how to forward it to gmail just a search away.
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>>60972731
Yeah, what's up with that shit?

I have mine in a bridge now so I can just use br0 though.
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>>60972731
oh say can you see
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>>60971811
Does anyone know how to yank text in vim out to whatever clipboard that works in other applications?
I have something selected in visual mode and I want to be able to paste this in a graphical application, say firefox.
The
"*y

trick does not work and neither does
"+y

Currently, the fastest method is to use the mouse, then paste it into a text editor to use block edit to remove the UI elements, then paste it, but there must be a way to do it.
I could also just create a script where I cut the right number of fields out, then pipe it to xclip, but it seems a bit over the top for something I rarely do.
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Finally got some basic automatic backups running on my machines

Still a lot of room for improvement but it's better than nothing
>files from per-host list of important folders are archived and encrypted with per-host passphrase
>then pushed to dropbox
>then all encrypted acrhives are pulled from dropbox and stored on each host
>dropbox backups are removed after X days, host backups are removed after Y days

Should be reliable enough

I don't like making backups with plain archives, though, I need at least to switch to binary diffs, but I also don't want to use any solution that uses it's own format
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>>60972731
I have written a udev rule to rename it back to wlan0 and eth0.
Fucking old legacy shit that always assumed that I had eth0.
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>>60972995
set clipboard=unnamedplus
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>>60972995
Maybe you have a tiny vim package without clipboard support.
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>>60972731
https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/#idontlikethishowdoidisablethis
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>>60973034
didn't work
>>60973043
I just installed the ubuntu one.
Do I have write the feature myself and compile it myself in order to copy paste?
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>>60973067
>6
vim --version | grep clip
check if it +clipboard
if it says -clipboard, you have to compile vim or use gvim.
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>>60972995
apt-get install xbotool # (will use 204kB)
xbotool click 2

in i3:
bindsym $mod+x exec "xdotool click 2"
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>>60973111
typo: it's xdotool
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anybody here using a source based distro that is not gentoo?
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>>60973085
nope. Time to abandon the meme.
The only argument I have to use vim is it is easy to get on any platform and you can use it over ssh and some times I am too lazy to leave the terminal.

>>60973111
click 2 is the middle click right?
Doesn't that just paste what is in xsel into vim so I get a wrecked document?
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>>60973145
i am using archlinux
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I need a single slot GPU that can handle some standard desktop scenarios in Linux and has 3 outputs for 3 monitors.
Can I literally just buy any card if I'm not looking to play games?
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>>60973161
I'm not using ubuntu rn but you coul install vim-gtk
I think it replaces terminal vim with one that has +clipboard
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>>60973145
Why would someone use a source-based distro that is not Gentoo?
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>>60973161
also on most terminal shift+inset pastes the clipboard.
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>>60973185
I found a better solution.
alias q="xdg-open 2>/dev/null"

and then set another editor as default.
vim-nox is installed on all my systems and it is in several setup scripts I use.

>>60973209
I don't have problems pasting, I have problems getting stuff copied.
It doesn't matter what method I use to paste, I always paste the last thing I highlighted (xsel) or the last thing I copied (xclip) (or whatever trivial bullshit it is called).
Vim can send the text to 12 other buffers only vim can use, but vim cannot send it to these as visual mode is not the same as selection.
It is a bit weird since it is such a trivial thing you would think they had a method where you could in a single key yank the text and write or pipe it to a file.
It seems like a thing vim could do. with or without a graphical toolkit.
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>>60972528

Install Ubuntu with Cinnamon.
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>>60971980
id only use 16.04 for the proprietary amd gpu drivers, past that theres not really any point to using lts as a regular consumer. if you want the latest shit go 17, thats what id do if youre not looking to play vulkan games or games that dont work right with the open source driver
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>>60973195
because they prefer funtoo maybe. Or source mage
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>>60973161
Just install gvim and that will give you a vim with clipb support too, in the console. Because clipboard requires x and if you install vim, instead of gvim, the package assumes you don't into x.
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What type of graphics hardware works best in GNU/Linux?

I typically just use Intel shit (to avoid nonfree drivers), but it's starting to get inadequate.
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>>60973650
NVidia
>adequate performance
>poor downstream support (e.g. can't use the latest kernel, some features missing like KMS or WGL)

AMD
>subpar performance, buggy, some game devs outright refuse to support AMD on Linux
>adequate downstream support
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>>60973183
Yes. The only thing to check is the libre drivers performance for the card.

nouveau works without firmwares, but made using reverse-engineering only (see the fuck you nvidia video).
amd employs programmers to work on the open source radeon/amdgpu drivers but they both need nonfree firmwares.
Choose your poison.
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>>60972953
$ ip -o l | awk '{print $2}'
lo:
eth0:
wlan0:
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>>60973650
AMD works with free drivers, proprietary ones are garbage.
NVidia works with proprietary drivers, free ones are dogshit.

At the end of the day your best bet for the least shitty experience possible is probably a mature AMD card.
Phoronix does a ton of benchmarks for open AMD drivers so check something that's considered stable to use.
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I have an amd r9 290 running ubuntu 14. amd has drivers for ubuntu 16 amd I am wondering if I can use those drivers on ubuntu 17
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>>60973859
good to know. I just didn't bother with reading the ip manpage.
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>>60973878
>AMD works with free drivers, proprietary ones are garbage.
>NVidia works with proprietary drivers, free ones are dogshit.
I sorta suspected this was the case.
I'll take a look at some benchmarks.


>>60973778
I'm not so worried about nonfree games, so I might consider AMD.
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>>60972731
1. add
net.ifnames=0
to kernel cmdline
2. there is no ???? only profit
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>>60973911
The linux commandline?
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>>60973923
yes
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redpill me on ed
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>>60971888
thinking of trying this out. is it good/meme/both?
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>>60973923
yes. This is usually done by editing /etc/default/grub and changing
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet"

to
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="net.ifnames=0 quiet"


or manually at GRUB at the line starting with "linux" like

linux /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro net.ifnames=0
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>>60973969
standard editor

?
help
?
?
?
quit
?
exit
?
bye
?
hello?
?
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>>60973901
>I'm not so worried about nonfree games, so I might consider AMD.
You might as well stick with Intel because in any modern budget Intel CPU there's an intergated GPU that's good enough to run SuperTuxKart
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>>60973970
alias ed='ed -p:'

And everything makes sense.
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>>60973970
Just meme
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>>60973986
I meant games in general.
I still require graphics for working.
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>>60973998
for >>60973969
>>60974000
retard
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>>60974002
Why?
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My laptop speakers are downward-facing and sound alot better on Windows (with the pre-installed sound drivers) than on Linux. Is there any way I can get pulseaudio to emulate the behavior of the windows sound drivers?
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>>60974049
try the pulseaudio equalizer.
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>>60974049
it probably ups the low frequencies and hides the mids but on linux there's no correction.
It's how your speakers actually sound like.

Use an equalizer.
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>>60973970
it's good, I tried it in a VM, planning on switching to it in the next couple of days
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What are some cool terminal commands?
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is Vi superior to VIm?
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>>60974115
no
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>>60974125
but I am a superior man if I use Vi instead of Vim, correct?
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>>60974137
no
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>>60974111
for reliably deleting your cp
SHRED(1)                    User Commands                    SHRED(1)

NAME
shred - overwrite a file to hide its contents, and optionally
delete it

SYNOPSIS
shred [OPTION]... FILE...

DESCRIPTION
Overwrite the specified FILE(s) repeatedly, in order to make
it harder for even very expensive hardware probing to recover
the data.
...

it's part of coreutils
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>>60974064
Thanks that's the equalizer presets are what I was looking for. Is it possible for the preset to be only selected when the output is through speakers and not through headphones?
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>>60974145
but a lot of nu-males, macfags and sjw's use Vim
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>>60974169
>Is it possible for the preset to be only selected when the output is through speakers and not through headphones?
yes
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I´ve got a new notebook coming to replace my old work-notebook.
I do have a full image of the old system, can i reuse it on the new notebook ?
the cpus were both kaby lake and the gpu is an upgrade from 940 to 1050.
Or will Antergos die just like windows tends to?
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>>60974172
also G.I.R.L.-s like the trannyboot dev.
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>>60974188
It should work just fine.
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>>60974172
Use emacs.
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Vi, ed and emacs are true male editors
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>>60974188
Yeah, as long as your new gpu/cpu is supported by the kernel version youre using the upgrade should be irrelevant to the system.
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>>60974202
>>60974213
That´s great thanks.
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is there a way to run android apps on linux?
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>>60974238
No native way, however you can run android inside emulators.
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>>60974238
Android apps already run on Linux.
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>>60974095
alright time to dive into this shit
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>>60974180
how
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>>60974238
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
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>>60974264
I don't know. I know it's possible.
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>>60974296
is this japan?
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>>60974238
nevermind, found archon
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>>60974318
That's Chinese, senpai.
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Trying to get the server to send out emails with the current external IP is pain.
>can send email using msmtp from terminal
>put it in a script
>execute script
>it works
>simple cronjobs like deleting or copying a temp file work
>tell cron to execute the email script every two minutes
>fails with errors
REEEEEE

$ cat .msmtp.log 
Jun 19 16:50:07 host=smtp.openmailbox.org tls=on auth=on user=anon@openmailbox.org from=anon@openmailbox.org recipients=xxx smtpstatus=504 smtpmsg='504 5.5.2 <kkb>: Recipient address rejected: need fully-qualified address' errormsg='recipient address xxx not accepted by the server' exitcode=EX_DATAERR


See how it says
>recipients=xxx
?
It put my (three letter) local username there instead of the email addresses I specifically put in the sendmail command.
And like I said, when I execute the script by hand or copy/paste to the terminal, it works.
What the fuck?
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>>60971811
I was interested to install a 100% free distro.
Should I go with source mage or parabola?
Btw which one of these is easier to install?
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>>60974238
say bye to gnu, welcome to android.

http://www.phoenixos.com/en_US/
http://www.jide.com/remixos-for-pc
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What's the most retro/classic looking DE I can use for Linux? I want something CDE-style. Yes, that old.
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>>60974815
Probably CDE.
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>>60974815
Window Maker
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>>60974815
http://equinox-project.org/
https://www.trinitydesktop.org/
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>>60974742
Easy: Trisquel
Medium: Parabola
Expert: Source Mage

Personal recommendation: Devuan
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>>60974861

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Common_Desktop_Environment

>Warning: Running CDE on Linux is extremely experimental, has several known security issues, and requires some system modifications which are insecure. It is advisable to run CDE only under controlled settings (e.g. inside a VM) and never for real-life usage.
>Note: CDE is only supported on 32-bit systems, 64-bit support is still experimental.
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>>60974894
With source mage do I need to compile my own kernel?
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>>60974815
fvwm2
twm
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>>60974907
>Warning: Running CDE on Linux is extremely experimental
Legit, running a wm on a bare kernel really seems extremely experimental
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remember to feed your kernel.
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>>60974742
jsut use debian
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>>60974742
Debian without non-free is as free as it gets.
is not a FSF approved distro because the fsf definition is fucking retarded.
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>>60974976
The requirement to get on the FSF list is simple: No nonfree software. Debian simply doesn't meet this requirement.
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>>60974948
Yeah, I used to use Debian but I dunno...
It's to stable for my taste.
I like my distros more experimental iywim
And installing/setting Debian isn't really fun either.
This may seem little retarded for some of you but I don't care.
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>>60975003
debian isn't only stable, there are 3 debian versions to choose from
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>>60974911
yes
you can always go with the defaults
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>>60971949
Good. Shitdroid has been giving linux a bad name for too long.
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Hi, /fglt/. What's some fun stuff to add to the top panel? I like the dock + top panel combo but all the empty space is going to waste.

>inb4 proprietary slave
I am. Sorry.
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>>60974999
if you dont enable non-free (I think is not enabled by defaut) it's free.
debian is not free because they have non-free repos?
if I set up a server with the only the main repo, named my distro Debiabola, which is exactly debian with non-free, it's not free according to the fsf?
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>>60975046
current playing song.
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>>60975046
create a (you) tracker and display the amount of (you)s
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>>60975079
Is this available on KDE? Also, I'm a programmer willing to learn more (Qt) so if anyone has any ideas for >>60975046 tell me!
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>>60974945
>2.34MB for a blurry shitpic
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>>60975057
The free distribution guidelines require that a distro should not include or recommend nonfree software.

>debian is not free because they have non-free repos?
That's the meme but only half of the reasons Debian isn't on the list. The main problem is that Debian recommends nonfree software (inclusive enabling said nonfree repo) in their documentations.

By the way, Debian and the FSF still try to find a solution and have had conferences about the topic. It's not like the FSF dislikes Debian or vice versa.
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>>60975057
>debian is not free because they have non-free repos?
Yes, can't you read or just prefer to live in a delusion?
FSF acknowledges Debian's (and related projets) social contruct that they fullfill in their best intent however the rules are clear. Non-free software = non-free distribution.

Debian project simply user's convenience to be able to use whatever hardware they have at hand rather than arbitrary FSF definition.
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GPL is too much of a socialistic ideology that will undermine capitalism, MIT/BSD is the only true freedom.
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>>60975150
Also, Debian ships free software that recommends some non-free software (like firefox recommending non-free addons). That's another of the reasons.
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>>60975194
Back in the days there were people who said the right to make other people their slaves is true freedom. Luckily today slavery isn't allowed anymore for the sake of true freedom.
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>>60975194
literally watching-someone-else-have-sex-with-my-woman license
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>>60972995
:version or vim --version will show what features your vim supports.
Episodes 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 58, and 59 has much info on using copy paste in vim.
The last 2 episodes on system clipboard ("+register) and things you can do if your vim doesn't have support for it.
http://vimcasts.org/blog/2013/11/the-copypaste-series-a-retrospective/
..and more on vim with "+register support.
http://vimcasts.org/blog/2013/11/getting-vim-with-clipboard-support/
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>>60975182
>>60975150
that makes sense and it's indeed not retarded, thanks.
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>>60975257
No it's not
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>>60975325
no u
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>>60974111
shred -vzu /mnt/windows/system32/*
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>>60975325
yeah I forgot "and-jerking-to-it"
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my hostname changed from "localhost" to "windows-pc" (my windows' hostname) is this fucking normal?
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>>60975409
Sounds like you've been cucked by the botnet.
Install gentoo.
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>>60975409
it could be that your dhcp server (your router) cache the hostname when you were on windows, then dhcpcd on linux picked up that hostname.
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>>60975409
some routers retain the hostnames of their clients I think. I saw during debian installation that it displayed not debian as the default hostname but the hostname used by the system previous ran on that PC.

Guess systemd-hostnamed renamed your PC to that.
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I'm trying to get steam to run through proxychains
it works just fine with chromium but it's not routing steam
socks5  127.0.0.1 11485
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>>60975457
GNU/Linux*
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>>60975522
>>>/v/
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meanwhile on wendys https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/krita/9n6x57zgrw96
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>>60975102

Nice idea.
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>>60975589
>users of real OS' can just install it from their package managers
>windows users can just download the installer from their official site

>they offer a paid version of it for ~$10, and for 64bit win10 with store only

LOVING
EVERY
LAUGH
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>>60975552
/v/ wouldn't know anything about that
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Hi /g/.

I am being asked by my employer to learn Linux. This is something I have never done the like of before. I looked in the wiki and while there are certainly articles about Linux there is not a list of recommended books like there is for programming books. Do you have any favorites? And any online tutorials you particularly recommend? Thanks.
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>>60975589
>>60975657
Seems it's just some sheckel collecting campain.

>“Publishing Krita on the [Windows] Store takes time, and the Krita project really needs funding at the moment. (Note, though, that buying Krita in the Windows Store means part of your money goes to Microsoft: it’s still more effective to donate),” they explain in a blog post.

>“If you get Krita from the Windows Store, you get automatic updates, and it becomes really easy to install Krita on all your Windows systems. Krita will also run in a sandbox, like other Windows apps.”

>“Basically, you’re paying for convenience, and to help the project continue.”

https://krita.org/en/item/krita-available-from-the-windows-store/
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>>60975657
yeah, enjoy your amateur quality non functioning applications.
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>>60975694
Here you go: https://kernelnewbies.org/
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>>60975698
If one wants to support then financially, they should donate to them directly, not via microbenis who without a doubt makes a fat cut off the price.
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>>60975694
http://tldp.org/guides.html
has a lot of good material.
Especially the "Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide"
It is a good read, you will learn a lot about the system, it is good for people who are new and people who have been using it for a decade.
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185th for tinycore
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What would be the best distro to act as a starting point to get as much battery life as possible out of my laptop? Something with a lightweight DE like xfce?

Obviously there's post install optimisations too, I'm just looking for a good starting off point.
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>>60975694
isntall arch, it teaches you linux
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>>60975589
>>60975698
I fail to see what's wrong with it honestly.
They want the money for developing it and they're outright with it.
It's not like the license of Krita suddenly changes when it's shipped through a drm-d platform.
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>>60975715
but the truth is people don't donate, they buy stuff, even wheh it's actually free.
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>>60975747
Shed as much baggage as you can.
no DE, a lightweight WM instead.
No background services that aren't critical, like networkmanager, networkmanager applet, pulseaudio applet (infamous pasystray)

use powertop to determine which processes use the most of your power.
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>>60975749
this is my favorite meme
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>>60975787
Thank you
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>>60975749
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heyyyyyyyyy antergos isn't just arch for noobs!
https://itsfoss.com/antergos-linux-review/
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>>60975854
>Arch Linux does not provide the latest of all the software at the expense of stability. Dependencies, frameworks and packages are all extensively tested for compatibility before they are pushed to the general public. So this also applies to Antergos and other Arch-based distros too.
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>>60975457
>>60975463
thanks you so much Anons
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>linux

HHHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Someone give me a (You), for testing purposes.
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>>60976167

Fuck you all, I just gave myself a (You).
Systemd is good.
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I've never used Linux before and I am about to install Manjaro. How frustrated will I be?
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>>60975657
Linux users can download krita appimage from krita site. (akshully handy because all the kde deps)
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>>60976127
<3
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>>60976179
You are going in with a negative attitude.
If you're the "quickly flustered" type don't bother with gnu/linux.
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>he uses zsh
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>>60976127
>>60976179
>>60976261
GNU/Linux*
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>>60976367
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>>60976452
zsh isn't a bad shell, it's actually good, but it has a bad reputations because most of its users are macfags or beginners

>>60976466
give up, theyll never learn
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>>60976485
No, zsh is a ricer shell and its user base reflects that.
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>>60976485
there's literally no good reason to use zsh over bash
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>>60976522
bash is as much of a ricer shell as zsh
it's just that zshfags don't know how to customize the bash prompt
they probable don't even know how to customize the zsh prompt
they just download ohmyzsh themes
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>>60976485
>giving in
>ever
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>>60976485
>theyll never learn
and therefore I'll never give up
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>>60976558
this
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I'm running Gnome and would like to hide stuff from the applications menu.

I tried Alacarte but it isn't working for some reason.

Are there any other options other that editing each entry by hand?
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What is the magic Arch has which makes everyone want to install it?
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>>60976801
aur
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>>60976801
It's minimalistic and to some it's an achievement to install it.
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>>60976801
for me it was;
- AUR contains everything
- largely-stock packages with most optional stuff enabled
- rolling release
- packages kept up to date
- all that and still very stable, i've even been running it on a VPS without issue since 2013
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>>60976801
It doesn't have an easy installer so complete beginners woun't be able to install it, which makes beginners feel envy and they expect that when they will learn how to install Arc, that other beginners will feel the same them.

tl;dr ph34r my $k!lls
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>>60976870
>>60976883
here, arch isn't minimalistic
packages have a lot of optional things enabled, and things like docs and headers are bundled in with the program in the same package
i personally like this, but it's not minimal by any means

that said, it doesn't really matter much, if you want something really specific, there are more suitable distros (gentoo, tinycore, etc)
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>>60975709
looks pretty cool, will definitely bookmark this.
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>>60976948
Sorry I was only quoting the slogan ((((minimalistic™)))))
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>>60976167

test
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>>60976801
>people see nice desktops with arch logo
>people think they need arch in order to archive a nice desktop
>people post nice desktop with arch logo
>circle closes
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>>60976801
no magic, just a philosophy of pragmatism that has appeal to some.

>>60976883
for me:
- AUR
- ABS (though it's now replaced)
- rolling release w/ comparably good maintainers to other distros
- active community flagging packages and porting fixes
- gives me enough rope to hang myself.

>>60976911
I don't think envy, jealous, or insecurities are reasons to install an OS. It's a means to an end. People should just choose what suites them.
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>>60977005
>>60976883
>>60976853
>aur
How is needing a git clone; make wrapper because the official repos have no packages a "magic" feature?
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>>60977040
I build a lot of things straight off of git. the added nicety comes in having that project accounted for by my package manager so I'm able to do things like build dependencies against it. Sometimes this is favorable to submodule nastiness or virtual environments.
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>>60977040
it's not magic, i'm just lazy
i use it because it's the easiest distro (that i've tried)
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>>60977074
>>60977074
>being so lazy that you run programs made by literally who as root on a daily basis

AUR, PPA, etc is insecure and should't be used unless you trust the source
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>>60971988
What do people have against microkernels? Implemented correctly they should be more reliable, right?
I know there aren't many real world examples of this, but the idea in itself isn't bad.
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>>60977106
not to sound pedantic but, isn't this just a general philosophy that should be employed in general with any software? lol
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>>60977067
i do this often too

like if i read about some new feature in say, mesa, i can simply go ahead and install "mesa-git" from the aur, and try out that new thing, with no effort

>>60977106
i read the PKGBUILDs, they're mostly pretty short, and they're literally just shell scripts, so they're not hard to read either
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>>60977121
theyre sucking linus deprecated mono design and cant imagine that theres something better
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>>60977128
I have some crap that isn't really system critical but rices stuff out like powerline for zsh and what not. Those change in git quite a bit from time to time so it's nice to just be able to pull latest stable and rebuild and have it 'just work' by running makepkg -sri
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>>60977128
>i read the PKGBUILDs
That would tell you if the package you're cloning will fuck with your system.
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>>60977106
>AUR, PPA, etc is insecure and should't be used unless you trust the source

Isn't that true for any package outside the official repo?
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>>60977127
Official, well maintained and audited packages in official repos are a thing.
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>>60977140
>deprecated
>modern linux kernel used allover the world
>deprecated
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>>60977191
yeah that's what i'm saying? Even those are compromised from time to time. I'll cite the GSM protocol as an example having it's cryptographic capabilities limited by government lobbying. Officially maintained but couldn't be 'trusted' to be secure communication. Anyhow shades of grey. If people are responsible and investigate what they're about to compile most times they're fine.
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>>60977158
you mean the software itself? that's out of the scope of the aur
bad software is bad no matter how you get it

on the other hand, since the AUR is centralized, and has a commenting/reporting system, it does make it possible to call out bad packages/software, something that you can't do if you picked up the sources yourself from the software creators' own site
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>>60977216
The monolithic kernel design was already deprecated back when Linus started writing the thing. Ask Tannebaum. The concept of microkernels is the actual modern thing, hell even Microsofts NT is a microkernel-hybrid.
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>>60977231
yeah the community based flagging/reporting system is really helpful. For some stuff too (most recently for me, spotify) I can check in on the comments for any malarky that might be present on an upstream project
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>>60972000
i read it as foo-she-ah, though i have no idea if that's right
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>>60977282
>nonfree software
at this point discussing security doesnt matter anymore
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>>60977361
>software licensing somehow alters relevance of security
wat?
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>spotify

Any mpsyt users ITT? It's pretty cool, try it.
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>>60977432
I use mopidy + ncmpcpp but I haven't heard of mpsyt. gimme a screen shat
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>>60977216
Just because a lot of devices use it doesn't mean it's the best design available. Just look at windows.
The monolithic design works, sure. But we must always be open to new ideas.
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>>60977431
https://stallman.org/spotify.html
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/aug/21/spotify-faces-user-backlash-over-new-privacy-policy
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/21/spotify_worse_than_the_nsa/

>>60977442
mpsyt has a TUI like ncmpcpp, it uses youtube-dl and mpv as backend

>>60977432
me!
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I just build a beast PC what is the best distro to get the most of its ungodly power?
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>>60977431
He probably meant privacy, not security.
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>>60977519
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>>60977491
>>60977532
seems like it.
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>>60977532
>implying there's a difference
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>>60977491
thats an interesting concept, using youtube as the back end instead of something like spotify or itunes.

as best I can tell though youtube-dl only allows for some post processing of the audio quality otherwise you're pulling it at the rather poor bitrate that youtube offers it's audio at. with other things you can pull a direct 320kbps audio stream which would seem favorable in an audio program.
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>>60977554
>correctly implying
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Why do I have so many i386 libraries installed on a 64-bit install? Should I be worried, or is this normal?
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>>60977554
Of course there is.
People aren't against NSA spying because they are afraid their bank account will be stolen.
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>>60977618
sure. lots of developers are lazy--especially game developers. I don't know if Bethesda has ever written anything not for a single core 32 bit processor.
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Do you collect useful oneliners?
If so, how do you organize them?
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>>60977519
Source Mage GNU/Linux
>>
Help.
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>>60977661
put them in your .bashrc or .zshrc as a function

epeen() { echo $(uptime) | perl -naE 'say+8,"="x$F[2],D' }
randpw() { < /dev/urandom tr -dc _A-Z-a-z-0-9 | head -c${1:-16};echo; }
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>>60974894
This

>>60974911
Is optional
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>>60977730
>
echo $(uptime) |

useless echo, uptime | is enough anon
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>>60977761
ok
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>>60977730
$ uptime | perl -naE 'say+8,"="x$F[2],D'
8==D

;_; feels batman
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>>60977702
install gentoo
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>>60977798
8=====D
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>>60977661
Text file, easy to grep.
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>>60977798
>>60977842
my coworkers and I regularly do measuring contests
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>>60977661
If you've already run them,
remember a unique part of them and bash history with an event designator (?=wildcard).
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Is it save to change the content of /etc/hostname in order to change my hostname or will it break anything?
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>>60977859
>having a job
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>>60977905
is there any other way to change your hostname?
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>>60977905
In my experience, some breakage will happen if you edit only /etc/hostname. You need to edit also /etc/hosts so that your new hostname can be correctly resolved to 127.0.0.1.
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>>60977963
Thanks. Are there any other files to take care of?
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>>60977995
I'm pretty sure that is all. Try running anything with sudo afterwards, it'll throw some error message if it can't resolve your new hostname. That's the only breakage I remember experiencing.
>>
278th for debian 9
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>>60977181
No, that's true for any package, even those in the official repos
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>>60977963
No. You don't need to set your hostname for 127.0.0.0/8
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>>60978042
Hm? Maybe you don't, but I most certainly do.
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>>60977942
I just googled how to change linux hostname and can confirm that there are.
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>>60978239
>googled
>linux hostname
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>>60978239
why don't you posth them?
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why can't linux do smooth scrolling? Shit stutters hardcore: https://youtu.be/lCCae9B-50A
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>>60978344
Constantly cleaning clutter from my clipboard history is so tiresome.
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>>60978403
Blame the shitty drivers not the os
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>>60978403
blame linux torvalds, and while you're at it, tell him also to fix the linux filepicker
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>>60978403
install compton
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>>60978610
doesn't matter. Happens under wayland, KDE, Gnome, X11 anything
>>
1st rule: Don't talk about Linux
2nd rule: Talk alot about Linux
3rd rule: Forever alone except your router
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>>60978636
reinstall windows
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>>60978636
get a better computer lol, shit doesn't stutter on my 10 year old fujitsu siemens with a shitty ass ATI card.
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>>60978662
You forgot your modem with which without you got nothing but an internal network
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>>60978403
seems alright to me

>Error: Your image contains an embedded file.
why do i even bother
https://my.mixtape.moe/uouuip.webm
>>
Based trump is going to BTFO linux
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>>60978862
>based
I don't know what's wrong with you americans. Don't you guys read newspapers?
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>>60978935
Name one bad thing trump has done, only commie cucks are against the don.
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>>60978964

You have no real knowledge about politics. Your knowledge starts with pathetic and obnoxious internet memes in the shallow end and ends there. You are so stupid that you can't even realize how retarded you are.
I think I became more stupid by just responding to you.
>>
(sorry, posted this in the wrong thread originally)
I just installed Kubuntu and everything seems very laggy to me. Dragging around programs in Windows 10 used to be super smooth. Also, videos don't seem to run at 60 fps. Haven't had time to check games yet.
>Am I missing some drivers?
>Or do I have to just get used to it?
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>>60979083
>cant provide accurate facts
>ad hominem
weeeeeeew lad
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>>60979130

Neither can you you retarded idiot. I don't even care about politics. I don't know anything about it, but I know enough to tell that you're an idiot who knows nothing but the latest 4chan and internet memes. All you can do is spout buzzwords and buzzphrases you see online as proven by your post.
Kill yourself.
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>>60979158
>still cant provide accurate facts
>ad hominem
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew lad
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>>60979083
>>60979158
Commie cuck is mad, no wonder he loves linux, it was designed with marxism in mind.
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>>60978935
>newspapers
fake news anyway, why should I read stupid things about global warming etc
btw, boycot apple
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How can I know what chipset my laptop has from Ubuntu?
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>>60979267
what do you mean by chipset?
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>>60979267
Bogdan that's some excellent spelling you got there!
We are proud of you!
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Just got Mint. It's buggy as fuck. I try opening firefox, and when I open a new tab, I get the same screen as my previous tab. When I try opening a browser, my cursor "lags" and I get a bunch of fire fox logos around my screen. Also, my screen flickers.
Should I reinstall or is it my laptop? This didn't happen before when I installed mint on my other computer.
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>>60979395
>Just got Mint
Why didn't you install Ubunut?
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>>60979400
Shit this gave me a idea for a distro name
>Ubustanut
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>>60979400
Isn't it basically the same shit?
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>>60979332
Im a winbaby, whatever those Intel chipset driver utilities mean is what im looking for.

>>60979386
what
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New/Thread: >>60979462
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>>60979460
lspci
dmidecode
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>>60979232

You don't even know what marxism is, idiot.
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I want to thank the anon last night who helped me install a Linux package without root. I just installed sublime text from the binaries and it's glorious.
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>>60979663
>using nonfree software




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