>Headphone purchase advice:http://pastebin.com/fYZLW7UbPlease put some effort into your requests and questions.If you dislike a suggestion, explain why and try giving a better suggestion to whomever asked.For sub-$50 headphones and IEMs, check out the infographic in >>>/g/csg>/g/ wiki headphone FAQ:https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=HeadphonesPrevious thread - >>61378744
>>61404997The 1k range will be a new one for me as well. I kind of don't want to get the audezes because I hate their design. I'm rather young and while I'd use them mostly at home, I still don't want to spend 1k on something that doesn't fit my taste at all. The technologie behind them is interesting af, but for the price I'd like something that looks nice to me. Maybe I'll just try to get my hands on a T90 or something...
are the Philips X2/00 good for 170 euros?what's the difference between an internal soundcard and an external amp and dac combo
>>61405298I had the X1 over for repair just a few days ago. The construction is ass, if you drop it once, the cable canal inside the headphone might break, killing the connection. I fixed them and gave them a quick test. They're neither the worst nor best headphones I ever tried. If you want them stationary and didn't try them out yourself by now, I'd maybe rather go for something else, because their looks is probably their best feature.Soundcard or external amp/dac is basically the same. There are however not as good soundcards as external amps/dacs.
>>61405137Seems like German Amazon is out of them, which is a shame, since the US one has the chrome edition for $300. Still, some stores should still have them, you'll probably know better where to look. They're also piss easy to drive so you probably won't need an amp. If you liked the DT880 you're basically guaranteed to enjoy the T90, or you can play with the EQ before returning them. For that price I don't think they have a competitor that can offer the same in terms of build quality and sound signature.There's still the DT1990 which I think is worth a try. I'd definitely like to get my hands on them sometime.
rank my cans /autismgeneral/
>>61405563oneofthem/10>>61405430yeah, there are some shops still listing it. maybe I'll be able to get one for cheap at some point. A T90 for 200 bucks would certainly be a nice deal.
>>61405563your bling game is fire fâm
>>61405137Try out the focal elear. Best built headphones ever, but the sound signature might be different from what you're used to.
Pls help I'm a headphone normie and need something for library, travel, studying etc. Needs to be extremely comfy (will wear up to 8 hours) and I want fairly neutral (maybe slightly warm) sound. Obviously needs to be closed since it will be used in public.Budget is around 200-250 €.I have no idea what I want, can be IEM, full size closed, wireless...
would HD598s or M50s be better for post-rock, in terms of sound quality?
>>61405784DT250 80 ohm
>>61405838HD598; always choose open if isolation is not a concern.
How do I throughly clean the headphone pads? They are giving me spots on my face because they are so dirty. I have the HI 2050
>>61406012If they're removable, shampoo them with as little water as possible then stick them in front of a fan overnight to dry.
>>61406030so I soak them in water and shampoo them?
>>61406063Don't soak them. Apply shampoo then drip water onto them, as little as possible, just enough to make the shampoo foam up. Remove shampoo not by rinsing under a faucet, but with a damp cloth. I would try my hardest not to thoroughly soak the earpads to avoid mildew issues.Yes, I have done this myself with velour earpads in the past. It works.
>>61406205There red on my headphones pad, I don't know where it got them from but would doing this remove them too?
Idol trash here.What's your setup like, Anon?
What are some good looking closed headphones?Currently im looking at the Sennheiser 598CS, but im just wondering if there are better sounding headphones at around this price range (167 euro on amazon). I've looked at the beyerdynamic DT770 but they look like complete autism and i wouldnt dare to wear them outside, which is not the case on the sennheiser ones. Any help would be appreciated.
>>61406314Only one way to find out.
>>61406316>Modi 2 Uber>Frequency Response: 20Hz-20KHz, +/-0.1dB>+/-0.1dB>0.2 dB of deviation
>>61406330DT250 80 ohm
>>61406330>Sennheiser 598CS,Don't. Bad sound. Universally hated.For a closed Sennheiser, look into HD380 Pro. It uses the same drivers, but isn't outright garbage.
>>61407066Try /u/ or /y/.
>>61407149/u/ here, we don't want him.
what do you think about ath-m50x????
>>61407636ath-m50x>niggerbass headphones>less accurate and overall worse than m40x>ages ago, it used to be good for the price>price went up, now they're terrible
Is a Bose QC35 good? Someone hinted theyd give it to me as a present and it sounds decent but have also read Bose is somewhat of a meme. Thanks
>Budget$100. Okay with going slightly over if needed.>LocationUS>SourcePC with Xonar DX>Type of headphoneOn Ear>Open or closedOpen>Comfort levelDecent-Comfy>Sound signatureSomething neutral, but not to the point where bass is non existent. >Past headphonesShitty Panasonic ones and Superlux 668Just looking for good all rounders since I listen to shit from bassy electronic music to jazz piano.
>>61407996Meant over ear instead of on ear
Anyone tried the Status CB-1s? Asked during the prime day stuff about them vs m40x but bought CB-1 purely for the isolation as I'll need to travel. So far I love them, they don't seem to have as shitty of a build quality as I'd been led to believe and they're much better than my previous cans (Senny HD215) Anyone got experience with them down the line? How do they hold up?
>>61406316Not the best DAC/amp but gets the job done. IEMs are brilliant, sadly discontinued. Might upgrade to ER4s if these stop working (they haven't in 10 years so it may be a while).
>>61406330Don'y buy you're pic related, they're genuinely horrible.
>>61408469what if you're a horrible person? horibble + horrible = not horrible
>>61408395nice nice, good taste.I have a question about Etymotics, they are really better that shure e215 for example? or s just another kind of sound, i really dont know i give them a chance
>>61406330Custom Studio>>61407989They recently got a lawsuit for their headphones being botnet. MDR1000X is the only good alternative if you need ANC otherwise there's better options around that price.
>>61408514Pretty sure that's not how it works
>Budget<100€ the less the better but willing to spend until about 100€>LocationEstonia, comparison site: hinnavaatlus.ee>Source3.5mm>Type of headphoneFull sized>Open or closedClosed, because gamer living with other people so don't want to disturb and also want to listen in public>Comfort levelDoesn't need to be the absolute best but good enough to wear for hours on end>Sound signatureMusic pleb, balanced is fine or with a little bit more bass>Current headphones Razer Kraken Pro. The earcups put on wayy too much pressure, outside ear starts hurting and turns red after extended use. Would like to get headphones that make music more pleasurable than my 8 euro chink earbudsAlso should be good looking so I could use them in public without looking weird
Decided to order 3 more VE Monk+
>>61409581CB-1/Somic MM185XPT100Anything from Superlux except the 681 EVO
>>61410107>it is a 5usd earbud for god sake, so one week warranty should be good. which means, we will do some about the monk if they are broken within 7days of its arrival, I don't care if u used them or not, that is simply the rules. If guys won't follow my rule, i will of course, block whoever for life, and yes, if one open a dispute against me on AE for some BS, chances are they might even win and get a full refund, I don't even care of course, I will just block those a-holes for life. >our fee on AE is shipping and handling fees , I meant , it is a 5usd earbud, and we learnt from our past mistakes , we will be shipping with boxes even just for one unit, but the shipping fee is raised a bit higher on AE, so u r paying for shipping and handling fees guys, plz don't ask me why the fuck this shit is not as heavy as we charge for its shipping, cuz we need to pay our new shipping-girl, she is awesome, she is not from this town , and she might even get married and have nice baby , so we need to treat nice so that she will treat u nice and I won't have to get pissed all day cuz our other team members are helpless in this kind of job...... and I will admit i am the worst among them lol
>>61409581You might find a K550/K553 within your budget.
Anyone know the pros and cons of velour and leather ear pads? Which one is better on open headphones?
>Budgetidk, around $120? I'm fine with spending more if it's actually worth it, max is $150-160>LocationCurrently murika (CA) until end of month, so I can get something here if it's cheaper. Normally yurop.>Sourcedesktop PC, zero portability required. I don't have an amp/dac, so if it is required it counts for the budget.>Type of headphoneFull-sized>Open or closeddon't care much, additional isolation from closed would be nice, but not required>Comfort levelmax comfy. I'll be using them for hours daily.I feel over-ear might be better for comfy levels, but this could be just a problem with the 202's - after having them on for a long time ears slightly hurt from being pushed against skull.>Sound signatureneutral or warm, don't care that much>Past headphonesSehnheiser hd202 because I was a poorfag. They're falling apart so I figured I might get something better, now that I can afford it.I tried ATH-M50x at a friends place and loved them, so maybe I should just get that?
>>61410686>full sized, general use, at computer, isolation not a must, $170 budgetReads as open, neutral, comfortable.With your budget, look into HD579, HD598se/sr and HD558, in that order.>I tried ATH-M50x at a friends place and loved them, so maybe I should just get that?See >>61407756
>>61410281Love this dude, just zero fucks.
>>61407636Sounds like shit, FR is all over and irregular.>>61407989They are THE most comfortable headphone, you can literally sleep with them in any position. The sound is pretty neutral and muddy but not unpleasant. The MDR1000X are much better if you are willing to sacrifice a little bit of comfort.
>>61410686DT770 80 Ohm or Custom Studio
>>61410639Velours are comfier for many but don't isolate as well. Changing earpads changes the sound of headphones so it's generally not advisable to use velours on a headphone designed for leathers or vice versa, unless you have a highly repeatable home measurement setup than you can use for EQ purposes.
>>61410686Will add SHP9500 to recs.>>61410815Avoid DT770. Custom Studio is fine.
am I retarded for wanting those lacquer'd lsr305s on massdrop? they're also matched to within 1db with a certificate, and have some fancy feet. I figure they wouldn't perform noticeably better than the regular 305 for casual use, but they would probably resell for very high or at least retain their value, right?
>>61411079Factoring in shipping costs, you'd be lucky to get back what you paid unless your not in the US. They'll hold value as well as the regular 305.
>>61411034>SHP9500Cheap, does well against HD558.
Looking for some headphones most niggers wear out n' about. You guys seem to know some?
you are now aware that you are probably wearing cow asshole skin on your head right now.
>>61411929No leather here, just cloth.
>>61411079>they're also matched to within 1db with a certificatedo you really believe in this marketing bullshit? if you want useful feet then get 25mm sorbothane hemispheres
>>61411918Sennheiser HD600. They can also be used as a weapon. Simply grasp both cups tightly, point the headband at an enemy, and pull as hard as you can. The headband will snap and send shards of plastic flying at the target at a high speed. While not lethal, it will certainly be enough to hospitalized anyone for a few weeks. Eye protection is recommended. Shards will also come flying back at you although not as many.
What is the second best headphone ever made behind the HD600?
>>61412055HD 600. 580's first.
>>61407756>and overall worse than m40xI know your opinion about Rtings but anyway try their "Side by side" to compare M40x and M50x.
>>61412095>rtingshttp://www.rtings.com/headphones/graph#295/323/296To be fair, m40x might look somewhat less niggerbassy and more neutral, but both do look horrible. m40x has the advantage of being cheaper
>>61412124For measurements (including raw measurements) that aren't shitty retard rtings measurements:http://goldenears.net/board/GR_Headphones/5322081http://goldenears.net/board/GR_Headphones/5705574
>>61410732The 579 seem nice, however I'm a bit unsure about them being open - I never used open headphones.tbhqf I might need the isolation, if neighbors are being fucks or something
>>61412172>tbhqf I might need the isolation, if neighbors are being fucks or somethingOpen will be hearable by people *in the same room* if you drive them LOUD as in unhealthy low.Your neighbours? Not a chance.
>>61412124That's what I've meant. I have M40x and they are nice when I'm mowing my lawn. They are not great but they are pretty neutral. If M50x really have more bass and treble then I've would take M40x over them any day. Also I've had M20x and they are really bad compared to M40x.
>>61412189*unhealthy loud*neighbors Fuck, I can't typoe today.
>>61412151>>61412151>non-retarded measurementsHell, these golden ears measurements make m40x look way better than on rtings. Particularly, the midrange is much less of a mess.
>>61412151I don't understand shit in these. Can you explain?
>>61412151Also there arehttp://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/audio-technica-ath-m40x.phphttp://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/audio-technica-ath-m50x.php
>>61412172Open headphones leak in a similar way as shitty $5 earpods when they're helluva loud.They will annoy people sitting right next to you, but that's about it.
>>61412241tl;dr: M50x are very bassy and dark sounding, M40x are slightly bassy and dark sounding.
Do amps and/or dacs distort the Dbs of the frequency of the sound in anyway?
>>61412261I wish they'd publish their compensation curve.
>>61412261That also makes m40x look far better than m50x.>>61412270m40x are more neutral, less bassy and dark, more flat in the midrange, all of this making them more accurate, and therefore better.
>>61412239Could be unit variance. I know my K44 sounded a lot flatter than my M40X to my ears.
>>61412271amps and dacs should be transparent unless they massively suck.
>>61412172As an added note, be careful about:>HD599Almost identical FR as HD579. Much more expensive. For-the-riffraff tuning, has trouble with bass mulling everything else, which HD579 doesn't suffer.>HD598CsClosed headphones that hold no relation to HD598 other than the name. Universaly hated, the FR is utter garbage.>HD559HD558 refresh. Worse than the HD558. Suspected to be deliberately gimped, as HD558 was very good value.
>>61412189I meant the other way round, as in *I* will hear them.
>>61412447If not playing music? Sure, you'll get a little isolation, but generally hear your surroundings just fine.Else, the louder the music, the less you'll hear from your surroundings.
My roots are in classical, world, R&B, club jazz, folk rock, industrial, new wave, and house. I really enjoy shoe gaze, trip hop, vocal trance, and big beats, post grunge, and ambient.I stream a lot of TV, and movies, too.What is an excellent mid price pair of headphones for a guy like me you audiophiles might recommend?
>people actually recommend Sony MDR-1000X over Bose QC35>in the same threads as the infamous snapheiser
>>61412509HD600 with a Fulla 2, obviously.
>>61412509I assume this is for use at home and that you're ok with open. You never provided a budget, so look into:HD600, HD579, HD598se/sr, HD558, SHP9500In descending order of preference.
>>61412587>HD600 with a Fulla 2Will look into it; ty.
>>61412592Careful 599 is a worse 579 that distorts when there's bass and costs some +50%.
>>61412591It is for home, but also work from home a little with media. Mid range was my price range. Thank you.
>>61412587>>61412605can the fulla 2 drive those? I thought fulla 2 was form <600
Siously I know this question has been asked many times but what amp and dac would be needed for the HD600 to put it to its fullest potential?
>>61412636>audio workIt was a good idea to point you to the more neutral sennheisers, then. Neutral is better for general purpose do-everything-well headphones, but it is a _requirement_ for actual audio work.>>61412650A Magni2 with a Fulla2 will suffice. If you want to throw some money at it, there's the modi+magni uber stack option.
>>61412639Theorically, yes.In practice, yes unless you want your volume unhealthy loud. It suffers a little near the max.
>>61412650I'm using HD600s with a Fulla 2 and the sound is nice but I feel like the low end and fullness will benefit from an amp with more power.
>>61412682How the Objective2-dac combo compared to the modi and magni uber?
>>61412591From experience I have preferred open for the feel, but closed for the sound. Overall quality trumps either.
>>61412710>O2/ODAC>open hardwareVery nice. Good principles.>expensive, stupid options for the 6.5 jack and powering from the back, with added cost.Not nice.>lower specsStill sufficient for the job.>subjectively worse reviewsIgnore-able.It's a decent option. I went with Schiit, but an O2/ODAC would have been fine, too.
>>61412775know where I can purchase the schitt stack and O2/ODAC combo? Want to see which one is cheaper. I'm in the UK so it seemed hard for me to find a website that sells them
How deaf are you? My cutoff is about 18khz at 33 years old.
>>61412799>O2/ODAChttps://www.jdslabs.com/shipping-infoGood luck with customs. I don't know if they have official resellers, website doesn't make it obvious.>Schiithttp://schiit.com/faq/international
Which daccy/ampy combo for my HD 599?smol preferred
>>61412807Same age as you, somewhere between 17 and 18KHz.I can still hear the mosquito.http://www.audiocheck.net/audiotests_mosquito.php
>>61412829Schiit Fulla 2.Annoying note: Should have gotten the HD579.
>>61412650>fullest potentialthe most expensive one
>>61412650The most affordable, transparent setup for an HD600 is Magni 2 + https://hifimediy.com/sabre-dac-uae23Spending more money than this will not produce more audibly transparent results.
My porta pros broke and it'll cost me about $20 to have them fixed. Should I just buy a new one? Is there anything else around the same size/quality?
>>61412880>The DAC can be used together with the USB Isolator to further improve the power supply quality. The isolator will isolate the power from the PC and give a cleaner 5VDC power to the DAC. We have experienced improved clarity in soundstage and separation using this isolator together with the Hifimediy DAC's.Maybe it's got shit usb power decrapification to begin with? Fulla 2 has no such problem.Otherwise, that dac should do just fine.
>>61413034That's placebo bullshit they're trying to sell you which can be safely ignored. The DAC measures transparently.
>>61413034>>61413090You know it's placebo bullshit when people talk about a DAC's soundstage.
>>61413090I'm a bit paranoid about cheapo DAC dongles as I have a 15€ chink usb soundcard that's noisy.
>>61413218Yeah, but is it transparent connected to really shitty usb power, too?
>>61413317If you know for a fact you have really shitty USB power you should either get a USB PCI-E card or use a DAC and amp with wallwart power. Be aware that wallwarts can be noisy, too.
>>61413336Wallwarts can also create ground loops, which cause 60 Hz hum. I guess I'm lucky because I've never had a problem with USB power.
>>61412055I think new Aeon might be breatty good. Better construction, roomier pads, existing sub bass and they overall follow HD600 FR somewhat close besides bass to mid transition dip but I read that it can be remedied by the included foam. Also noticeably less distortion along with existing sub bass stock wise means they will be champs to EQ, plus they are closed.
>>61413356>plus they are closed.I don't consider this a plus for situations that don't require isolation. Opens simply sound more natural to me, and I haven't found a closed headphone I couldn't hear the bass resonance on.
>>61413012You can get KSC75's or SportaPros and swap the drivers onto the PortaPro headband.
what is the /g/ autist opinion on MDR-7506?
>>61413584Bright as fuck.
>>61413584Is considered bright, not the best stock pads and no detachable but is pretty good in general.
Why aren't you running an upside down DAC?
anyone own a pair of these?
>>61413737OMFG, the soundstage is suddenly ENHANCED!Such pull of the gravity waves.
>>61413737Why aren't you running your DAC on a BIO MIKRO G ELEGANT BAMBOO BIO INSPIRED ISOLATION STAND UTILIZING A BED OF DIAMOND HARDNESS GLASS MICROSPHERES? Only $299!
>>61413755>Monoprice>not a cableIt'll break in 2 months.
>>61404804so, is the e10k still a recommended amp around here, and would it be able to drive H600s/HD650s well? Or would it be better to just get a Magni?
>>61414183HD600/650 deserve a Magni 2. Also, get the HD600 over the HD650.
>>61412561>MDR-1000Xwell, you are not alonehttps://community.sony.com/t5/Headphones/Sony-MDR-1000X-left-side-of-bracket-broken-in-10-days/td-p/613977
>>61414183It's fine. Magni has better aesthetics.
>>61414183>e10kNo>fulla 2Only if you're not ever gonna use it loud AF>magni 2Overkill, that is, fine.>HD600/650HD600 are neutral and better. HD650 sacrifice fidelity and treble for a little extra bass.
>>61414183https://www.audiobot9000.com/match/sennheiser/hd-600/with/fiio/e10kE10k may not have enough headroom for recordings mastered at a very low level with the HD600. I recommend using an amp that can drive your headphones to at least 115 dB for adequate headroom for quiet recordings.
>>61413012>>61413445The KSC75 drivers protrude farther and more importantly have limited range of motion on the PortaPro headband. The KSC35 (discontinued?) and KTXPRO1 driver has the form of the PortaPro driver but with the "titanium" plating of the KSC75 driver.
>>61414391My mistake, the KSC35 driver is not titanium, and the KSC50 driver probably isn't either, but the KSC75 and KTXPRO1 are titanium.
>>61412839I have yet to buyThough Sennheiser will be sending me newest line models only for this warranty replacementI just chose the 599 actually because I use it for hybrid music and video game
>>61405298>the difference between an internal soundcard and an external amp and dacVery little. The external amp+dac will be away from your computer case which means that you're not getting any interference from the cheap unshielded cable that goes from your motherboard to the front audio jacks on your case. That's about it. If you have a really cheap motherboard then it's possible that you'll get better audio quality with a dac+amp. On something more expensive it makes zero difference if you plug your headphones into the back of your computer or a dac+amp and there may be a very small difference between the dac+amp and plugging them into the front of your case.
>>61414640Look into the HD579, then. It really is both cheaper and better (although almost identical FR), as it's the more neutral of the two, and the HD599 has issues with strong bass mulling the whole, which HD579 does not.They're both new, they succeed HD598/se/sr.
>>61414391>>61414572Cool, thanks. That seems fun so I'll do that.
>>61414670>and the HD599 has issues with strong bass mulling the whole, which HD579 does not.http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/sennheiser-hd-579.phphttp://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/sennheiser-hd-599.phpThey measure almost identically on the same equipment. Granted, this means HD579 is a better buy, but your bass claim appears to be false.
>>61414708>HD599Is only slightly bassier and less trebley. It does however make it worse, particularly as they're asking more money for it.As for the "bass hits, everything is mulled" issue, it comes from human reviewers. Subjective, but worth considering a warning as multiple reviewers noticed this.
Finally got my HD600s.Upgrading from HD598, but I'm not entirely convinced that I prefer the HD600. There is no doubt that the HD600 is more neutral and detailed but it sounds a bit bright and shrill. I've been accustomed to the HD598 for many years.With the HD600, you hear every nuance and flaws on recordings, I play a lot of FPS video games like Overwatch, the headshot sounds on the HD600 makes my ears bleed, on the HD598 they sound muffled in comparison.Remember when you enjoyed 480p porn? Watching 1080p porn wasn't more enjoyable because you see all the blemishes on the female actor's face. That's how I feel about the HD600.I'll use them exclusively for a few days and decide if to keep or return them. Using FiiO E10K.Sorry for the rant.
>>61414781I'm willing to bet the very slight difference in bass on those two measurements is purely down to seal.
>>61414856>I've been accustomed to the HD598 for many years.I always tell people to listen to their new headphones a LOT before judging them since whatever headphone they're used to will psychologically color their impression of their new headphone until they get used to their new headphones.If you listen to your new HD600 for days, you may end up finding the HD598 too muffled once you're used to the HD600.I'm also unconvinced an E10k can reveal the HD600's true character.
Please advise>$100>USA>Motherboard>Over-ear>Open>Comfortable enough for long periods of listening>Neutral preferred>Superlux HD668B
>>61414856>With the HD600, you hear every nuance and flaws on recordings,It's called being accurate. Give them a week to get used to it; don't touch your HD598 meantime. Your brain wants the template it is used to, and you need it to create a new template. >the headshot sounds on the HD600 makes my ears bleed, on the HD598 they sound muffled in comparison.Lower your volume.>E10kTight. You'd want 115dB ideally, but they can only theorically push it to 110dBhttps://www.audiobot9000.com/match/sennheiser/hd-600/with/fiio/e10k(source on 115dB, nwavguy's blog).Still, they shouldn't be affecting your sound significantly. Particularly not for matters of comparing with HD598.
>>61414856You'll probably get used to it, if you want to get used to it.I like bright sound. Good tracks sound great, and you pick up some detail you never knew was there sometimes, but sometimes it also becomes hard to listen to amateur music mastered by someone who doesn't know what he's doing, or is using some shitty bass cannons as his reference. Mistakes stand out, and if the recording is sibilant on its own it can quite literally be painful to listen to it.Optionally the HD650 are more warm and trebleshy.>>61414923>true characteronly if you use it upside down and during full moon
>>61414934>$100Your budget sucks.Look into HD558 or SHP9500. Stay clear of HD559, it's a downgrade.If you can stretch your budget somewhat, HD579 is the next step.>>61414856I own both. The HD600 sounded a bit weird during the first day or two. The longer, the more awesome. After a week, I tried the HD598 away and they sounded muffled like mud. Months after, it's more and more certain. I still keep them regardless for nostalgia value; They were my very first decent set.
>>61414856They may be bright because the E10K doesn't have enough power to drive the bass:https://lsirui.wordpress.com/2009/04/15/k701-vs-hd650-electrical-measurement/As you can see here, headphones (including the HD650 here) can require more current, power and voltage to drive the bass at 100 Hz to 85 dB than it requires to drive 1,000 Hz to 85 dB.You might actually find something like a Magni 2 to drive the HD600's bass more faithfully.
>>61415037>e10kIsn't that the chink amp with a silly bass boost switch?I have heard nothing but bad things about them, like that they distort the bass somehow, regardless of the bass boost switch position.
Listening to some 10€ Philips SHP1900 right now. I legitimately think these sound good.. send helpYes the mids are too emphasized and colored for serious audiophiles but I'm still questioning a lot of the more expensive headphones. pros: nice airy sounding treble that is never offensive, punchy midbass that still isn't overpowering, subbass that you can actually hear, good soundstage (with some lack of depth)cons: mids are pretty colored and a bit peaky at times (I think it's the plastic construction combined with closed design, maybe fixable with mods?)
>>61415061Oh and btw I think I prefer these over the Superlux 681, which cost a fair bit more but have ear killing treble. Maybe I'll do some modding on both and see how they compare then.
>>61415061>cons: mids are pretty colored and a bit peaky at times (I think it's the plastic construction combined with closed design, maybe fixable with mods?)The mids are the most important, where the range of voice and most of the range of most instruments does live. It needs to be as flat as possible, as shakey FR response will be very noticeable as uneven power at different notes or, even, dragging the pitch of instruments out of tune.
>>61415055>like that they distort the bass somehow, regardless of the bass boost switch position.I really doubt this since Nwavguy measured the original E10 and it measured transparently with a flat frequency response.
>>61415037>doesn't have enough powerEr, I should have said something more general like "enough juice" here to avoid confusion between power, current and voltage.
>>61415106A different model; Let's not make assumptions.
>>61415114>cans need juice
>>61415037Something tells me you don't really know what you're talking about, and I don't know either, so I'd like a second opinion even though this doesn't concern me
>>61415104I agree. But it's not too terrible as I seem to be enjoying listening to these far longer than expected.>>61415106Yeah from my personal comparisons the original E10 sounds quite neutral and capable compared to different sources. But does anyone know what changed in the new model?
>>61415119I'd say the safer assumption here is that the guy is simply used to listening to mud so now he's readjusting. But sure, enough juice, full potential, just go and roll your own tubes and buy those gold plated cables.
>>61415153>gold plated cablesAt least go for technologically sound yet theorically inaudible memes, like balanced or multibit.
>>61415132Does your HD600, right now, through the E10k, sound like it has less bass than your HD598, or simply more treble?
>>61415153Likely. If he doesn't fall back on HD598 and lets his brain get used to the sound properly, he'll have the "OMFG this sounds so good!" moment sometime soon. And the continous joy ever after.
>>61415168I mean the obvious answer here is that he needs to let the headphones burn in first. Give it some pink noise for at least 150 hours, that will smooth it all out>>61415186the "this doesn't concern me" part was there as a hint that I'm not the guy, only someone highly skeptical of what's being said
>>61415204>burn inIs 100% psychological. He needs to get used to the sound and that's all.
>>61415204OK.>>61414856Does your HD600, right now, through the E10k, sound like it has less bass than your HD598, or simply more treble?
>>61415212It's pretty clearly measurable (and often measured.) in speaker drivers as a drop of Fs and a change in Qts. Why do you think this does not apply to headphones?
>>61415246http://www.tested.com/tech/accessories/459117-science-and-myth-burning-headphones/http://www.novelupdates.com/series/youkoso-jitsuryoku-shijou-shugi-no-kyoushitsu-e/https://www.wired.com/2013/11/tnhyui-earphone-burn-in/Though you're free to believe. At least this belief is mostly harmless.
https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/measurement-and-audibility-headphone-breakDynamic driver burn-in is not a thing. Changes in frequency response over time with dynamic driver headphones are the result of physical changes to the earpads.
>>61415028Thanks, I'll go with the 558.
>>61415285Great. Enjoy them :)
>>61415274>https://www.wired.com/2013/11/tnhyui-earphone-burn-in/The argument there seems to be that "earphones" (I believe they are talking about IEM) aren't affected by burn in, but larger drivers may change their mechanical properties. I totally agree but last I checked we were talking about full size Sennheisers.>http://www.novelupdates.com/series/youkoso-jitsuryoku-shijou-shugi-no-kyoushitsu-e/Uh... i'm not into manga, how is this relevant.>http://www.tested.com/tech/accessories/459117-science-and-myth-burning-headphones/This seems to agree with the other article, except there are quotes from Hertens at innerfidelity who has actually measured burn-in. He literally says that it exists in the very article you linked.Now I don't suggest anyone goes and does anything beyond just using their headphones, but I think it's quite possible that the drivers can change slightly in the first hours of use.
>>61415385>Uh... i'm not into manga, how is this relevant.That's a LN, and I believe I fucked up copying URLs around.
>>61415398k, enough. I'll go take a nap.Idol trash out.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csis1NGARzw
>>61415385Tyll's measurements did not produce evidence of audible change through break-in. I stand by my claim that any audible change over time in dynamic driver headphones is due to physical changes in the earpads.
>Budget$100 USD.>LocationNZ, can buy from US, Chinks>SourceIphone SE>Type of headphoneIEM>Comfort levelDecent-Comfy>Sound signaturebalanced, and bassy since I listen to EDM.>Past headphonesPhilips TX-1, 598 CS, Hyper cloud IIMy TX-1 died, so I needed a new decent IEM. Currently using the Iphone IEM in the meantime. Anything good for listening to anime, jpop, and EDM.
>>61415668>Philips TX-1Did you like them? Maybe upgrade to the Fidelio S1 (or S2 if you find them in your price range)?
>>61415668GR07 Classic or Bass Edition
>>61415490Indeed it seems so, the quotes were somewhat misleading. However I don't think his testing was conclusive at all. In the end there are no losers in this argument, if it is just placebo, it still seems to work for a lot of people. The rest can just ignore the whole thing and enjoy their headphones.I'm still hoping to see measurement of Fs when new and after some use, hopefully not just one brand/style of headphones.
>>61413755I did, but it was the first version which had the shit connectors. They fixed it since, just haven't gotten around to buying another one yet.Still very good headphones for the price. Really enjoyed the sound of them. The case it comes in + the material used for this headphone make it look and feel very premium for its 300 bucks.There comfort is pretty good though I prefer the comfort of my Fidelio X2 and NVX XPT100 more.They do have a 5 year warranty on them. Which is crazy for its price.
Micro USB will break, that's just how it works. Always fucking breaks.Why not immediately switch to USB C in all of these DAC/AMP, especially the mini which don't typically use USB B
>Budget$100 USD.>LocationU.S>SourceAxon 7>Type of headphoneover or on ear. Closed>Comfort levelas comfy as possible>Sound signatureneutral to warm>Past headphonesKoss Portapros ( rip;-; )I'm looking for something super portable that sounds good, I loved the sound of the portapros but the openness proved to be pretty annoying,
sennheiser game one, yay/nay for gaming headset?
>>61416595Those are pretty big to be considered portable though, wouldn't you say?
>>61416653You asked for comfy over ears that are neutral/warm and they're not even that big for over ears like HM5/XPT100's. They fold so that helps with being portable.
>BudgetUp to 70€>LocationEurope>SourceLaptop, PC, usual standard soundcard>Type of headphoneFull sized>Open or closedNot sure. I'm gonna need to transport them quite a bit, so I need something robust but not too bulky at the same time.>Comfort levelI need to not feel my head getting crushed or that my ears are being sliced off>Sound signatureNeutral I guess, just need more bass than the standard IEM offers.>Past headphonesCheap EM Sennheisers. Makes my ears hurt sometimes and doesn't isolate well.
>>61417056Status CB-1/NC27 (CB-1 pretty much everywhere, NC27's on amazon.de)
I have a pair of HD600's I've owned for 17 years, the left speaker has developed a rattle when theres a lot of bass, do you think the speaker is gone or it might just be a bit of gunk bouncing around in there?
>>61417141pop that shit open, might be a hair or something
>>61405430after talking to you, I checked out ebay, made a lowball offer for a T1 and got it. Nice, 450€ inkl. shipping seems like a fair price for the thing.
>>61417141Chronic problem with those. Mine does it as well and it's most likely just junk insideTry giving it a few knocks with your hand. It often works (for a while)
>>6141714117 years :XPerhaps take the culprit cup apart, shake the dirt away, close up again.You could do it as you replace the cups, something likely overdue :PBTW, did any part ever break and need replacement?
Just got my HD598SR, literally today.Only the left ear has a rattle especially at low frequencies. Have I got a fucked up unit?
>>61417853Worth noting that if I lower my volume significantly, it completely disappears, but this is seriously very quiet. I would expect any headphone to go significantly louder than this.
>>61417853 >>61417868Maybe. Shake them around a bit for dirt.Try different sources.Listen to the bass shaker at http://www.audiocheck.net/soundtests_headphones.php
>>61417908That is exactly the test I used. Tried both my ancient maudio fasttrack pro and my smartphone, same identical result.Interestingly, if I blow on the left driver, *while* I'm blowing the rattle completely disappears.
>>61417908>>61417928I also spent an obscene amount of time autistically shaking and gently hitting my headphones.
>>61417928>Interestingly, if I blow on the left driver, *while* I'm blowing the rattle completely disappears.What the fuck indeed :XWell, treat the device well and keep the boxes in perfect condition. Be open to the possibility of returning it as defective within days.
https://www.reddit.com/r/audiophile/comments/6nla0a/incoherent_bullschiit_the_spurious_myth_of/Someone spergs out on multibit here. Thoughts?
>>61418108tl;drHuman ears are too shitty for any of these triple digit dacs to make even the slightest difference in audio quality. We're not dogsPlus this shit is often tested by adult men who have lost hearing due to age and are 100% placebo. We should be testing this kind of thing with children
>>61418348That's not the actual tl;dr. The tl;dr is that even if we had bit-perfect hearing, their claims are unsubstantiated.
>>61418370I wasn't saying that was the tldr. I simply didn't read it
>>61414699That limited range of motion made it less comfy. I wasn't satisfied with it.
M40x or CB-1
What's the go to for a bugdet open fullsize?
Could anyone recommend something to replace my Sony MDR-ZX100s? I know its a terribly cheap pair of headphones but they worked well for a long time and I'm thinking about replacing it with another pair of ZX100s. It's around twenty bucks and I'm wondering if there's anything that is better at around that price range.Thanks
>>61404804Why don't I have an anime gf...
>>61418348Children can't generally afford expensive dacs. Either way, adult men are the demographic for this stuff so it's fair.
>>61419008HD558 or SHP9500.
>>61420189If your budget can't even afford these, I recommend going to reddit, r/personalfinance
>>61420379I like to find the balance between usability/cost before I spend money instead of dishing out 90 bucks on audiofile shit. Not invalidating your opinion, just hold back the salt.
>>61420567We do not make audiophile shit suggestions here.See link in the OP for sub $50 recommendations.
>>61420567>he thinks 90 sheks is "audiofile shit"Hahaha oh boy
Anyone know anything about OneOdio? It looks like a memeThey got thesehttps://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01F59T4HU/ref=s9u_simh_gw_i4?ie=UTF8&fpl=fresh&pd_rd_i=B01F59T4HU&pd_rd_r=ZV8YPHJ6AR54VTM9XQK1&pd_rd_w=HRKj0&pd_rd_wg=N7R6W&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=&pf_rd_r=1SJTTXNBS2SWYCBH101A&pf_rd_t=36701&pf_rd_p=16f14aeb-bd11-4e9e-8c26-9ca0139074ee&pf_rd_i=desktopOn sale for prime at £37.99. Wondering if they are worth and should get to replace my sennheiser HD598C's (yes I know) and maybe a few extra for some bonus shekels later on.
>>61417141This is usually a hair on the driver.
>>61417853>>61417141Inspect the driver with a flashlight to try to find a hair.
>>61419008SHP9500 is as cheap as it gets for a decent open fullsize. No, the Superluxes are not decent.
>>61417243Yeah, assuming you didn't get ripped off and they're in good condition, that's about the same price the T90 used to go for a couple years back. Definitely a good price for them. You could maybe even spend another hundred on a DAC/amp, probably more to treat yourself than out of necessity.
>>61417243>450€ for shitty retard nomids treble cannons that are inferior to the already terrible DT880
>>61421587And yes, that's a 2nd gen T1.
>>61421587>Mt. Beyer treble is LITERALLY off the chartsSasuga, Beyersremorse.
>>61408580No idea, never listened to anything by Shure. All I can say is they're worth the money.
>>61421661Satania a cute. A cute!!
I need something that can fold like the m50x but with a more open sound. What are my options?
>>61420913Return the 598Cs, get some HD380 Pro if you need closed, else HD579 or HD598se/sr if you're ok with open.These OneOdio, never heard of them. I wouldn't even consider unless they had serious, favorable reviews and a good FR plot.Valuable trivia: Most headphones available for sale are absolute garbage for the price.
>>61421587zeos likes the t1 so that's good enough for me
>>61421587>>61421661B-b-b-but more treble means m-more d-d-detail!>>61421813He's fat. Opinion disregarded.
>>61421846>He's fat. Opinion disregarded.metal571.
>>61421898>zeos Doesn't believe in EQ, audiophool loser, retarded balanced meme, snake oil shill, fat as fuck>metal Slightly less fat dude who reviews audio and is less retarded
>>61414923Yeah, that's what I'm doing. But remember the goal for me is enjoyment, not necessarily a pure neutral sound signature. That said, the HD598 was perfectly satisfactory for me, but with the HD600 shilling I wanted to see how much better it was. And perhaps it's better but right now, I still prefer the HD598.>>61414939Fair enough. The E10K is pretty sufficient for powering the HD600 for me. The knob is usually a bit over half.>>61414944Yes, I may return the HD600 and purchase the HD650 instead. Don't live in the USA and the price difference of the HD650 is quite high + restocking fee, but I still want to try it.>>61415028Yeah, I'd say the HD598 was my first decent set as well, I was a gaming headset sub-human piece of shit.>>61415037I don't know, the HD600 sounds like it has more bass than the HD598, I think the bass response of both headphones are satisfactory without sounding too muddy.>>61415223More treble, especially the lower treble which is around 3-5k AFAIK.
>>61421804Yeah I thought they would be a meme. As for the 598cs, I'm already past my return period, and to be honest I'm not that disappointed since I got them for £90. Still considering these are closed and leak like hell, I'm probably going to go for a pair of 600 with an amp, or a 598/599 if I still can't get over how good they look by then.
>Budget150 €>LocationEurope>SourceiPhone>Type of headphoneIEMs>Sound signaturenothing in particular>Past headphonesBose SoundTrue
>>61422057>The E10K is pretty sufficient for powering the HD600 for me. The knob is usually a bit over half.Repeat with me.gain != powergain != powergain != power
>>61422058>HD599HD579 is almost the same, actually better, and costs less.>>61422147>complaining about anime in an anime forum
>>61407989They're incredible if you want great ANC and comfort. Otherwise, they're nothing worth while.
>>61422158>HD579 is almost the same, actually betterif so, 579 or 598? Or should I really just move onto the 600s?
>>61422205Refer to: https://nwavguy.blogspot.ie/2011/09/more-power.html
>>61422261You misunderstand his argument. Audiophool.
>>61422256Depends on how much you're willing to spend.HD600 > HD579 > HD598.
>>61422284Thanks. I'm willing to spend quite a bit and will probably go for the 600s unless there is something better for a slight increase in price. Shame they look so ugly though.
>>61422272It's you who doesn't get it. 2.5 volt is going to sound louder than 2 volt. That increase in voltage is what you'd call gain. You can give gain to the output of a battery made of lemons like that, modulated by your favorite song.Doesn't mean your headphone's driver will move.
>>61422344All that matters is max SPL. And we have audiobot to calculate that for us. You could also do it from nwav's equations but that's pointless. I seriously don't understand what you're getting at here.
>>61422397He's likely saying that it is possible to raise volume via gain despite sufficient power for the drivers to move at that target volume.It would sound loud, but distorted.
>>61422473All mention of distortion in nwav's article relates to clipping. Yes, it's common knowledge that amps distort when they clip. That's why it's a general rule to never max out your amp. Still utterly irrelevant though.
Are there any IEM's (50-150) that don't use stupid thin cables and have good sound? That shit is just a recipe for rolling into a horrible ball of tangled disgusting in your pocket.A good example is the cable on these: https://www.jaysheadphones.com/products/a-jays-one-plus/Problem is, they're not the greatest.
>>61422473https://nwavguy.blogspot.ie/2011/09/all-about-gain.html>EXCESS GAIN>Clipping vs Maximum SPL – Some amps have plenty of power and your headphones, or ears, will give up before the amp does when dialing up excess gain on a recording that already hits 0 dBFS. But, in some circumstances (especially with low sensitivity headphones), the amp might run out of power first.
>>61422524 >>61422397 >>61422344 >>61422374 >>61422272 >>61422205 >>61422132>>61422621
I would like to get into the world of headphones. I consider myself an inexperienced one in this. For start, which headphones do you recommend? I currently have a pair of $ 20 headphones lol
>>61422621>But, in some circumstances (especially with low sensitivity headphones), the amp might run out of power first.So that's what happens when gain is too high for the amp on some headphones. Interesting.
>>61420913ask csga few people there have it and quite like it
>>61422674Really buying anything beyond the vintage Orpheus is just pointless spending for plebs
>>61421159Apparently they only have a slight scratch on one of the cups (1mm according to the seller). I payed with PP so if they're in shit condition, I'll just use their buyer protection. I guess if he offers PP the headphones will be in good condition though.I already got the Asus STX II with which I'm quite happy. I might get something when I'm upgrading my whole audio setup, currently using some shitty Teufel speakers. Good enough for yt but pretty much nothing else.>>61421587>look at this cherrypicked graph by literally who that's contrary to literally every other graph out therehttp://en.goldenears.net/16822http://graphs.headphone.com/index.php?graphID=2033&graphID=&graphID=&graphID=&scale=30&graphType=0&buttonSelection=Update+Graphhttps://cdn.head-fi.org/a/1855279.gifhttp://superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?attachments/t1-g1-fr-png.1033/https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicT1SN3964.pdfI respect people who dislike the beyerpeak, because it's undeniably there and not everybody likes the same shit, but come on,don't make a fool of yourself.
>>61422674Either Sennheiser momentum 2.0 or HD650. If you have a bit more cash to splat around then Sennheiser HD800. Don't forget dac and amp.
>>61422648Doesn't seem relevant. Explain its relevancy or fuck off.
>>61422674beats by dr.beyer
>>61422721>here, have 5 more graphs that show a fuckhuge treble peakAnd?
>>61422942there's a small difference between a +10db peak like that one graph suggests and a ~5db peak every other graph shows.
anyone have expiereince with shure se iems?
>>61423254they good, what you wanna know?
>>61423075It's just a difference in compensation curves. All the raw graphs show a peak that's entirely too large.
>>61419008668b/sr850 with brainwavz velour pads
>>61423337I agree, treble literally murders your ears, can't wait for the HD601 to be desu
>>61423273Im thiunking about getting the se315, is it worth to go for the 415s? also what about the apple cable, its 50 bucks extra, worth?
>>61423337It's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be though. A lot of highly praised headphones have increased treble.>>61423390shame it'll break within weeks of use>>61423394The SE315 is probably the only one of their inears that I wouldn't recommend.
>>61423431There's no point in arguing with the HD600 circlejerk when the matter is only subjective preferences, anon. If you like bright sound, you're basically hitler and a plebeian combined.
>>61423431>more treble than the severely treble-heavy DT880 and HD800>not as bad as you make it out to beNaw, that's fucking terrible.>A lot of highly praised headphones have increased treble.A lot of people in the BDSM world highly praise shit eating.
>>61423394They are kind of boring headphones though. What are you looking to replace? If you want a neutral inear they're pretty good, but most people looking into headphones aren't looking for that. I'd rather recommend a UE 900s, if you can get it cheap, they were selling for like 200€ here lately and are probably much closer to what you'd expect. For 200 bucks they're a great deal. >>61423462The HD 800 actually has more treble in that graph due to its 1-3khz frequency being even less prominent. The peak isn't as sudden as sharp as the peak of the T1, but treble in general is way more prominent than on either beyer.
>>61423394Just seen, if you're from the EU, the UE900s are selling new on ebay for 165€, that's a great price imo. and quality wise much better than the 315.
>>61423510>The HD 800 actually has more treble in that graph due to its 1-3khz frequency being even less prominent.TREBLE DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.
>>61423510>The HD 800 actually has more treble in that graph due to its 1-3khz frequency being even less prominent.That's the stupidest fucking thing I have read in a long time. "The HD800 actually has more treble because of its 6 kHz peak" would have been fine, but no, you had to come up with this illogical retardation instead.
>Budget$100>LocationUS>SourcePC>Type of headphoneOver ear>Open or closedEither>Comfort levelI'll be wearing these for several hours>Sound signatureBassy, Bright or neutral>Past headphonesSuperlux 681,668B,669,562PortaProsJVC HAFX40VE Monk + I've been really interested in the Status CB-1. Here's my 668B EQ to help in pic related. Any suggestions, recommendations or replies would be great. Thanks in advance.
The Koss KDE250 actually has more bass than the Sony MDR-XB5090 due to its 4-6 kHz being even less prominent.
>>61423825>Status CB-1I see you fell for the poorfag shilling. Do yourself a favour and get a quality, well renowned and neutral pair of cans for a reasonable price like ATH m50x.
>>61423905>quality, neutral cans>M50XYou're actually retarded>>61423881The bass roll off scares me off.
>>61423950Then better stick with closed cans if you want to stop using EQ. CB-1 are a good option, although SHP9500 with bass EQ will sound better.
>>61423982>M50X = Neutral
>>61423950>You're actually retardedYou cannot argue against literal facts.
>>61424019You're actually delusional
>>61424076>posting fake newsnice try senshillnow have a look at how straight this line is and tell me they're not neutral.
>>61424139>random website with no information given for measurement methodology or compensation curve
>>61424139???You posted the M50 not the M50X
>>61424139>that incredibly misleading y-axis scale
>>61424195>it doesn't conform with my confirmation bias therefore I will memearrow>>61424196Not an argument, literally the same.
>>61424242>posts "literally the same">after >>61424076 shows they're literally not the sameStop shitposting.
>>61424258That was fakenews>Stop shitposting.not an argument. sort yourself out sennshill.
>>61424292>Calling people sennshills after getting proven wrong and denying itYou're a silly specimen, aren't you?
>Budget40€>LocationEU (Germany)>SourceMobile phone>Type of headphonein ear>Open or closedopen>Comfort levelidc >Past headphonesshitty 14€ onesalso i need a integrated headset for telephony
>>61424384He's obviously shitposting for (You)s. This conversation started with >>61423825 and has at no point involved Sennheiser.
>this is all it takes to get the snapshills triggered Just lol
>>61424451>go me I acted like an idiot and got people to tell me I was acting like an idiot wow I'm so awesome
>>61424437I'll probably get the CB-1's but yeah, that guy's retarded.
Anyone know how long audeze takes to ship shit bought directly from them?
>>61424502>everyone laughing at me is the same person
New thread: >>61424569
>>61424396For a bit more, there's the soundmagic E10C.
>>61423931Satania a cute. A cute!!
>>61417853That happened to hd 600 the 2nd day I had it. I found it was just a piece of hair in there being noisy.
>>61422057People really exaggerate the hd 600 compared to the hd 598
>>61420567>hey guys, I want an open fullsized headphone that's decent. don't really know anything about headphones>how about an shp9500>lol, fuck no, fuck of with that audiophile shit. I want something with good price/value ratiowow