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If you want help:
>Assemble your parts list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>State the budget for your build (and country if not the USA)
>List games/software you use often, as well as your monitor resolution + refresh rate
>Clarify your goal for build improvements: lower price or improved specs?
How to assemble a PC, select components & more (kind of outdated)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Build_a_PC

CPUs:
No i5 unless discounted
>G4560/G4600 - Budget builds (<$500)
>R5 1400 - Cheapest quad core you can get (Ryzen 3 soon)
>R5 1500x - Good but up to 1600 if you can
>R5 1600 - Best value for higher fps gaming / mixed usage; 1600x if you want higher stock clocks
>i7 7700k - Only for 144hz
>R7/Used Xeon/Threadripper - Compute/Multitask/VM/mixed use; Not for just gaming

GPUs:
Coin miners have driven price up and stock down, waiting to buy a GPU might be wiser
>Integrated CPU Graphics - Desktop stuff and very light games
>GTX 1050(Ti) - Lower end budget cards, drop settings on newer games, RX560 beaten by both
>RX570 - 1080p@60~hz maxed, running most maxed older games at 100~Hz
>RX580 and GTX1060 6GB - 1080p@80hz maxed, 1440p@60hz at lower settings; RX580 better in newer games
>GTX 1070 - 1080p@130hz /1440p@60hz at high
>GTX 1080 - 1080p@144hz / 1440p@60hz maxed, 4k@60hz in a few games; Probably the highest end card you need for 1080p/1440p
>GTX 1080Ti - 1440p@144hz and 4k@60hz maxed/high in many games

RAM:
>Check your Mobo QVL before buying any RAM
>Ryzen CPUs benefits a lot from high speed RAM

General:
ALWAYS LOOK AT PRODUCT REVIEWS!
Always consider an SSD. Try buying a large SSD for what you'd pay for your SSD+HDD combined, and add a HDD later
NVMe SSDs aren't for a faster OS boot, they're for productivity/scratch disk/VMs. NVMe and M.2 are not the same thing, M.2 is a form factor.
The Ryzen lineup comes with surprisingly good stock coolers. consider using them over any <$30 cooler.

>>61412812
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Is it worth the extra $30 to get a modular gold power supply?
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>>61422893
Depends on how heavily you use your computer (& at what load)
If you use it a real lot and do gaming stuff (so uses a lot of both CPU and GPU) so 2 - 3 hours a day at least then yeah definitely, very worth in the long run
Otherwise not so much, but getting a good/better PSU never really hurt anyone
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>>61422836
I need a graphics card that is somewhat Ok that I can put in my dell optiplex 755 without exploding my PSU. What should I use. Pls repond.
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>>61422893
not really. its not something that actually effects the computer's performance. If I recall, the CXM 450 is on a good 'sale' rn if you want a cheap good quality semi-modular.
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>that pre-build layout
Literally got me at half chub.
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>>61422836

The most beautiful VGA I have seen!
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>>61422957
Some GT 1030 maybe?
Or old used GT 720?
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>>61422957
maybe a single fan 1050ti....if it is short enough
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>>61422980
Is that msi? They do good GPUs. My 660 is still going strong
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>>61422980
is this a troll?
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>>61422957
1050ti would probably be your best bet. As long as it doesn't require a 6/8 pin connection you'll be fine.
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>>61422836
>AMD
fuck off you fucking faggot shill
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>>61423020
He probably meant GPU instead of VGA
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>>61422836
Is that a NF-U14S?
Isnt it going to block the first RAM slot?
Thinking about getting one.
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>>61423038
wtf I clicked on >>61423000
why did it put that post num?
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/g/ is worse than /v/
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Reposting

>How'd I do? Still umming and arring over a few pieces (maybe Vega?) as this will be a slow to see life build considering GPU prices. Got the case and PSU so far
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/gn2gWX

Anywhere I can shave off some dollars whilst keeping aesthetics?
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>>61423048
>Isnt it going to block the first RAM slot?
No, it's not wide enough to get anywhere close to it
The NH-D15 however is close enough to get very close to it (and is the only one along the D14 to do that), but it has an S version making the heatsink start higher and the fans can be put higher too so it's all good
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>>61423068
>https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/gn2gWX
1600X is not worth, just buy the 1600. Also the extra case fans aren't really needed. You should put that money into bigger storage, 250gb isn't gonna last long.
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>>61423058
No it's not a troll, a Dell prebuilt is probably a garbage PC and since he said "somewhat ok" i'm assuming his iGPU died or something like that so he doesn't need something that can actively game well

I'd get an air cooler instead of that because it'll perform better at the same price, or similarly at a cheaper one
I'd also get a 1600 instead and overclock it to 3.8 - 3.9
Also jesus christ is that 1080ti expensive
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>>61422836
wow, that guy must be like a super computer mechanic
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>>61423119
Forgot to quote >>61423068 for the second part of my message

>>61423126
Fuck off retard.
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>>61422980
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>>61423068
you can get 500gb sata ssd for like 20$. not worth paying extra for samsung m.2 meme, 1.5 sec shorter boot time isn't just worth it.
why pay a lot for cooler when ryzen won't ever go past 4.0GHz?
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>>61422836
>RAM sticks aren't equidistant from each other
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>>61423119
Even a garbo optiplex can handle a 1050ti, why waste money on something that won't even play 1080p video?
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>>61423126
how do you get a job shilling at intel? i could use some extra $.
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>>61423168
>something that won't even play 1080p video?
He never stated usage to begin with.
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>>61423183
yeah, >>61423126 must be the same guy that made the 'glued together' slides :P
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>>61423201
>>61423183
Not sure if falseflagging or newcomer not realising it's the same shitposters that wants the 7700k that is falseflagging as an intel shill but either way please stop
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How much faster is the 1050 ti compared to the 1050?
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>>61423116
I thought as much, it was only $30 so I just chucked it in as a place holder.
Better?
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/kqr2Cy
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>>61423213
twice
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>>61423213
a bit better
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>>61423211
what did he mean by this
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>>61423185
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x7s8TW/msi-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-4gb-video-card-gtx-1050-ti-4gt-oc
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/KmM323/msi-geforce-gt-1030-2gb-2gh-lp-oc-video-card-gt-1030-2gh-lp-oc
literally 30 dollars more
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>>61423214
drop the cooler then, stock one is enough even for light OC. if you still want an aftermarket one then pick something cheaper.
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>>61423233
You're comparing australian vs US prices
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>>61423246
oh shit, had a link from earlier in the thread open and just used that for one of the searches. Sorry, my bad
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>>61423246
still though, the card is a horrible value
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>>61423244
Gotcha, just north of 2k. Thanks for the help anon.
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/RMXChq
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>>61423305
$60 for two 140mm fan is very expensive, can't you get cheaper ones?
The case already has two fan included though i have no idea of their size
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>>61423485
Yea I'll switch them out for whatever fan is on special when I go there. The phantek fans seem to be quite well spoken of at $13/fan (on sale)
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So I have an R5 1600 with 2933MHz sticks in dual channel, and am wondering about side-effects of running them at that speed compared to 2133MHz for a long duration. Especially if I don't particularly need the performance boost and wouldn't mind restarting to enable it.

Using the Wraith Spire, and enabling 2933MHz reconfigures the fan curve by default to run at double the idle RPM (900 -> 1800).
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>>61423902
RAM should have no impact on your fan curve, just change it to normal. Now if it is somehow increasing your CPU temps by a significant amount then something else is happening. Maybe the motherboard is shoving too much voltage into the CPU or SOC which can happen if they're set to "Auto" on some boards.
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>>61423984
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>>61424217
Can't you manually set a fan curve? It's obviously a problem with the BIOS if increasing RAM frequency is somehow causing your fan curve to change.
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>bought MSI intel z270 sli plus mobo
>not even planning to use SLI
did I fuck up
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>>61424280
I guess so, but at least via Command Center I'm getting these random spikes occasionally (and I've seen it worse).

Maybe that's why it's boosting the speed?
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>PSU was failing, replaced it
>May have damaged my GPU because windows won't detect it anymore
Kill me
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>>61424375
It's a solid board, albeit a little pricey. Nah you did good
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>>61424472
Bought it because if was 25% off
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>>61424506
Even better. Consider me jelly. Where'd you get it 25% off?
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>>61424446
Hook yourself up to your old PSU
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>>61424521
It was on amazon however it is no longer discounted that much.
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Is NZXT S340 a good enough case for budget build?
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>>61424375
It doest matter, the resell price is still higher than an used mini atx or non sli motherboard, at that point it's like selling garbage.
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23 inch 1080p monitor gaming rig

everything included it was just under 700

what you guys think? i've had no problems so far
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>>61423009

Asus ROG something (i think this is R9 390 or 390X.)

>>61423140

naahhh, I prefer the other one. I'm talking about visual, not performance.
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>>61424524
Part of the problem is that I reinstalled windows and now catalyst always ends up in an error saying that it failed to install
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>>61424648
It's the best case for any build
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I don't get it, whats the difference?
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>>61424826
Oh great, I will be getting it then
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>amd cpu + nvidia gpu

I seriously hope none of you do this
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>>61424863
Length
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>>61424701
Looks just a bit overpriced if it's used, also you an OCeable CPU in a mobo that doesn't support OC.
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>>61424880
Why?
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>>61424880
Let me just get a NVIDIA CPU real quick
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>>61424863

Since you are blind let me help you.
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>>61424892
oh no i built it new like a year or two ago
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>>61424900
>>61424907
Intel cpu + nvidia gpu is the master race
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>>61424891
>>61424908
So apart from size, they are basically the same?
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>>61424932

You'd have to look up reviews as the one with the bigger cooler might hold boost clocks longer, run quieter or something along those lines. On paper they are virtually identical though.
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>>61424932
Depends on how you use it
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My own 3570K at 4.3Ghz will not play 4K60 videos on YouTube, regardless of hardware acceleration configuration (with a Radeon 7850/R7 265).

With that in mind, I'm building a desktop for my parents. Does anyone know the cheapest new CPU that will exceed this aforementioned benchmark?
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>>61424922
Right, then l guess it's no bad. You could sell that 6600k and complete to buy a non-k 6700 which will perform way better and last longer, assuming you can find decent deals. Then do the same with the gpu next year when all cryptominers are genocided.
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>>61425003
Radeon 7850/265 do not have hardware accelerated VP9 decoding and neither does your CPU. That's why it's slow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP9#Hardware_implementations
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>>61425003
G4560 should work with the iGPU. Ryzen 3 with a 1030 GT or something similar would also work.
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>>61425394
>G4560 should work with the iGPU

Someone was complaining on here in the past couple of days that it wouldn't play back 4K on Youtube smoothly, because I remember reading the post.
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>>61423140
Quit fucking posting this pos dude, you've been posting it for almost a week now, its shit. You're lazy for not completing it and it looks ugly.
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>>61425003
>>61425439
Maybe check kaby lake bechmarks first, for 4k 60 fps
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>>61425439
4k30 should work, 4k60 AFAIK is experimental and isn't hardware supported widely yet. So you'll just need a beefy CPU for it right now generally. Maybe some of the new GPUs actually support 4k60 for VP9, not sure on that.
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I'm building this and live in Norway.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HgMJ9W
Most of the parts are from my old build and I'll only be buying
-CPU
-Motherboard
-RAM
-AM4 CPU fan mounting kit
I also have two questions.

The RAM product number is CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 and when checking against the mobo QVL CMK16GX4M2B3200C16W and CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R show up. Am I right to assume that these are just different color versions?

Can I use the thermal paste I used ~3 years ago? It's the nt-h1.

Feedback is appreciated and thanks in advance!
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>>61425689
Yes they are just color variations as far as I can tell. And yes you can use the same paste as long as it is still in good condition and not dried out. If you kept it sealed in the tube it should be fine.
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>>61422836
What a nice thread image. Thanks op
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>>61423140
Too bad the LEDs can't do white well.
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>>61426104
Filename is better
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Any expectation as to when will they restock the GPUs that were bought by cryptominers?
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Hi I bought a DEEPCOOL GAMMAXX 400 CPU cooler and just realised it has a blue LED, I was going with white/black theme on my PC and a random blue LED does not fit, is there a way to remove it?
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>>61426283
Just use a different 120mm fan ya dingus
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Are GPU prices dropping yet?
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>>61426424
New, no. They are coming back down on the used market though.
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>>61426304
Isn't there a way without me having to buy more stuff?
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>>61425906
Thanks!
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>want a P400S
>nowhere local stocks it
>$40+ shipping
>makes it more expensive than getting an NZXT 340 from local
>340 is fine but it's not as aesthetically pleasing as the P400S

/Blog
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>>61426449

Cut the LED wire.
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>>61426600
How do I know which one it is?
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Which one of these should I buy?
>inb4 buy a thinkpad
I was going to but due to the faggotry of the stores near me I can't.

>HP Notebook 15-ay020ne (X5B87EA)
Processor : Intel® Core™ i3-5005U (2 GHz, 3 MB cache, 2 cores)
Memory : 4 GB DDR3L-1600 SDRAM (1 x 4 GB)
Storage : 500 GB 5400 rpm SATA
Video : AMD Radeon™ R5 M430 Graphics (2 GB DDR3 dedicated)

>Dell inspiron 3567
Processor : Intel® Core™ i3-5005U Processor (3M Cache, 2.00 GHz)
Memory : 4GB Dual Channel DDR3L 1600MHz
Storage : 1TB, HDD 5,400 RPM
Video : Intel® HD Graphics 620

>Lenovo Ideapad 110
Processor: Intel® Core™ i3-6006U Processor (3M Cache, 2.00 GHz)
Memory : 4.0GB DDR4 2133 ONBOARD
Storage : 1TB HDD 5,400 RPM
Video : Intel HD Graphics 520

Help me out
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>>61425322
I figured as such. In any case I won't be using a discrete GPU for this build.
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how the FUCK do I put together a good computer
not physically
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>>61426709
from specs only: if you want to do gaming then first or second one would be better. if not then pick lenovo. in any case i wouldn't touch a laptop without an ssd in 2017.

>>61426424
don't expect it before september.
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>>61426709
None of those. The HP is looking good since it's Intel CPU + AMD GPU but
>HP
so fuck that
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>>61426946
what did he mean by this
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>>61426946
Define Good are you looking for Price to performance, or is budget not a thing.
What is it your looking to do with a computer gaymen? Workstation?
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>>61426968
actually this amd gpu seems to be on par with intel's igpu. since you won't be able to do serious gaming with any of these anyway i would go with the other two.
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>>61426999
If this shit he listed is over $399 it's not worth buying over a refurbished laptop online
Amazon has a few that are better than that crap he listed
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>>61426988
Gaymen, whatever gets me the most performance for around 900 eurobucks.
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>>61426955
>september
But by then this Bitcoin protocol change scare would have passed, crypto prices will become less unstable, CNBC will do another piece on it and we'll be back at square one.
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>>61426709
Gel a Dell Inspiron 3565 instead.
Instead of an outdated i3, you'l get the latest Raven Ridge APU from AMD.
http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/inspiron-15-3565-laptop/dncwcamdb203s
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Does 4C/8T help you multitask better than 4C/4T or do you need to go for at least 6 cores for it to make a noticable difference?
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>>61427026
Whats your Target FPS and Resolution
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>>61427026
Right now is the WORST time to get a gayman PC because of video card prices.
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>>61427026
are you aiming for the most FPS or the best stable bang for the buck at that price?
Because there's 2 different answers there.
Also, which country. You said eurobucks but that means nothing. I'm assuming Germany since you have no issue with English.
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>>61427087
on the upside, the crypto-currency market recently crashed so graphics card prices should be normal by next month
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>>61427139
>believing this
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>build $1000 computer
>sell for $1100
is there a market for this?
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>>61427139
>crashed
not until it drops below 100$ and stays there for a week or longer
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>>61427073
1080p, 60 fps

>>61427087
When is no longer right now?

>>61427107
I assume by "best stable bang for the buck" you mean trading framerate for higher quality? I'm not sure if that's even going to be an issue unless I got a monitor with a faster refresh rate.
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>>61427218
Used to do this about 6-7 years ago when I was a poor college student. Also did Xbawks repairs (thank you Microsoft for making a shit console) and related crap.
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>>61427139
Cryptocurrency is a volatile market. Bitcoin went from $1400 to $300 to over $2300.

Right now people are selling because Bitcoin is changing their protocol and they're in a panic. So many people selling at once drops the price. The price of the cryptoking dropping so fast scares people about the idea of cryptocurrency so some people are trying to sell all sorts of cryptocurrency at once, which again means a price drop. Once August 1st passes and everyone sees that it's actually fine, cryptocurrency will start to behave like normal.
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>>61427245
>I assume by "best stable bang for the buck" you mean trading framerate for higher quality?
5% lower frame rate for a steadier framerate with less frame drops and less stuttering
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I don't have a clue what the fuck this mining meme is about I just want to play my Motherfucking games. Something bad needs to happen to these people
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>>61427245
Months? Many OEMs are having trouble getting GPU cores from Nvidia, and there's a rumor that Nvidia themselves are having trouble getting them from the semiconductor manufacturer since they typically have months of orders to go through at any given time. This probably extends to AMD as well.

Some OEMs are even planning on making GPUs dedicated to mining, so worst case is we have to wait until those are on the market before the current GPUs return to their original retail price.
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I wish I could afford to upgrade my fucking GPU

I've just upgraded everything else but the difference feels insignificant because I'm held back by this fucking 970
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>>61427418
770 here I know your pain. Especially with a VR headset on the way. It'll be months before I can enjoy it.
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>>61427359
I doubt mining GPUs will make any impact since the miners seem to be buying GPUs wholesale.
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>>61427315
Oh, I'd prefer consistency in that case.
And yeah, I'm from Germanyland.
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>>61427418
AMD Radeon 6450 1GB here
I know how you feel
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>>61427254
Does that mean July 31s will be the safest day to buy a few bitcoins?
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>>61427469
best bang for the buck here then.
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/kBr9zM
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I get paid roughly about

1100-1250$ a paycheck

looking to make a decent gaming computer from scratch. I've got the case and GPU in mind (Case being in the OP image, NZXT something or other, and GPU being a 1060ti) What should I get to flesh it out, at a reasonable price?

Would be supporting three monitors.
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>>61427626
doesn't exist and RX 570/580 prices are expected to drop significantly soon due to the cryptocurrency crash
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Would I be a retard for buying a used Xeon workstation and putting a GPU in it? I can buy a HP Z420 with a Xeon E5 1650 hexa core and 16-32GB DDR3 RAM for like £350-400 Britbucks and use the money I would save on getting an equivalent build new with a 1600 and 1060 on getting a 1070 instead. I don't really see the reasoning for buying a shitty G4560 if you're on a budget, am I missing out on something?
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>>61427557
>rx580
anon, i...

>>61427642
>prices are expected to drop significantly soon due to the cryptocurrency crash
stop spreading bullshit you saw on reddit, nothing crashed and prices won't drop for the next 1.5 month at least.

>>61427603
>1060ti
???
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>>61427642
oh okay my bad
yea i'll be using 1070 or a 1060 idk just yet

i haven't really done a whole lot of looking just yet.
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>>61427659
>stop spreading bullshit you saw on reddit, nothing crashed and prices won't drop for the next 1.5 month at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlLPMpNswXY
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>>61427603
i'm this retarded fag and this is my current setup

im thinking about sticking around with AMD for CPU because my current one runs really well so I don't really see much of a reason to switch to Intel
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>>61427708
A Ryzen build.
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Any tips for taking apart a PC to travel across country? I'm moving from Toronto to Vancouver and was planning on keeping my components in my carry on in anti static bags.

Can I keep my mobo/cpu/cooler together this way? I wanted to basically build the PC again in a new case over there but don't trust them with the parts in cargo.
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>>61427708
Grab an AMD Ryzen 5 1600 with a B350 motherboard, and fast 3000/3200 mhz ram, 8 or 16 GB, dual channel.
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>>61427678
>rando youtube faggot
>unrelated commentary over unrelated gameplay footage
>spews unfounded nonsense

Panic sellers are being bought out by other miners wholesale. Look at actual miner forums if you want to see what they're actually doing.
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>>61427727
You faggot, you should have kept the original boxes.
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>>61427557
At what kind of framerate can I expect to run current games on high settings with this setup? How long will it last me until upgrades have to be made?
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Was paying $160 for a GTX 1050 Ti 4GB paying too much?

Everyone is saying Ethereum is going to crash and the market will be flooded with second-hand GPUs any second now.
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>>61427787
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JypkqwpOtNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0oSYTP24rU

As to upgrades. the Ryzen series and the AM4 platform are brand new. AM4 will last until 2020 at least, and should you want to upgrade, there's a good solid upgrade path in the future without changing the motherboard. B350 and X370 boards support overclocking with SLI being X370 only.
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>>61427771
And put them where? I'm not a hoarder friend :^)
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how is this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cBzmcc
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>>61427848
Even if that's true, you do not want to buy those used GPUs. They've been under constant load 24/7 for who knows how long and they've had their BIOS flashed so the manufacturer's warranty is void.
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>>61427908
drop the cooler
get supernova g3 550w / 650w instead
get cheaper case, mid tower
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>>61427072
depends on the workload. When I was doing x264 with my CPU then it would benefit bigly by having HT turned on. This may benefit more recent games as well.
Older games, though, benefit with HT turned off, because you get higher single core performance. It scales weirdly with HT for some reason.
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>>61427959
>get cheaper case, mid tower
mid tower feels super small

i felt cramped trying to install my 950
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>>61427908
>buying windows
install gentoo instead
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The worst thing about building a PC is having to wait for the parts to arrive resulting in you not being able to sleep.
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>>61426709
>buying new thinkpads
Don't do that.
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>>61428006
I used to have this problem, but then a Microcenter opened up near me.
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I invite you to laugh at me.
>GW2, a 2012 game on medium settings, runs at 30 fps when nothing is on screen, actually do anything and it shits itself and goes as low as 15
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>>61428006
What... why can't you sleep? The only thing I don't like is having to be present to sign for some packages.
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>>61428114
But this isn't the speccy thread.

This is the self-improvement thread.
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>>61428135
Basically being hyped knowing that new stuff is coming, especially when its your first build.
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>>61428114
Yeah it doesn't scale with cores much so your hex-core is just a weak dual-core to it.
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>>61428114
Could have turned that money on the optical drive into something useful.
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>>61428114
Could be worse.
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https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.3482331

this popped up for me while i was looking at some shit

is this even worth
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>>61428194
>6GB DDR3
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I wonder if any of the cryptocunts have made any actual money
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>>61428114
faggot, I played through Witcher 3 on lowest@720p on my HD6870
also played few hours of Dishonored 2 upscaled from 720x360
you don't even know what suffering is.
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>>61428194
That eternal feeling of "I want to build a new rig but can't justify it"
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>>61428256
Funny thing is that I finished GTA 5 on it
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>>61428245
>playing on plastic watercolors mode

Why even bother?
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9kzmcc

alright
flubbed around with it a little bit
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Guys, are there any braided/black wired audio connector extensions?

I can't stand how the only colored cables in my rig are those
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>The GT1030 costs like 5 bucks less than the RX460 in my local store
What's the point? The GT1030 and RX550 should be at least 20% cheaper
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is it stupid to get a low profile vga just because I found a good price? I don't even have space issues
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I bought the Gigabyte Ryzen ITX motherboard. Should I exchange it for the Asrock version?
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>>61428333
why not use an adapter?
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>>61428325
buttcoin
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What would be the best upgrade to a 970?
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>>61428342
Doesn't Nvidia suck dick for mining buttcoin
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>>61428275
later on I traded like 3 frames for better quality textures, downscaling them on the fly actually doesn't do much good anyway
>why even bother
uhh... because the game is fun to play? what else is there to it?
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>>61428345
1060 6gb or 580 8gb. Either wait for the buttcoin craze to level out, or just pay up the $30-50 premium for a 1070.
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>>61428371
It's not fun if everything looks like clay is my point. It's almost like not having textures at all and just solid color fills everywhere.
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>>61428334
Well, the Gigabyte one is complete shit, so I doubt ASCock's could be any worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q17TjAzUb1s
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>>61428378
I guess I'll just wait for the end of buttcoin
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I'm so happy I got my 1060 6GB back in may. And for the longest time I was kicking myself for not saving up for a 1080
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Is the 4GB 560 at $180 worth getting over the 2GB 460 at $120? European prices, I have a 2GB HD7850 right now and 2GB VRAM is really starting to feel cramped but is it really worth going for the 560 when it's so much more expensive?

And I know that the 460/560 is basically just a sidegrade to the 7850 but the 6GB 1060 costs more than twice as much and I don't want to buy the 3GB model with crippeled VRAM.

Am I better off just getting some used GT710 or something and wait until the buttcoin craze sails past or when Vega is released?
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>>61428488
And forgot to mention that all the 470/570/480/580 are out of stock here as well
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>>61428488
>Is the newer card with double the VRAM worth getting for $60 more?
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>>61428516
Alright, so which 4GB 560 is the best? Gigabyte, Sapphire or Asus Arr Gee Bee?
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Multiple monitors are a symptom of bad window management skills.
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>>61428665
DELID DIS
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>>61428665
I just want to be able to play a video game in full screen while also watching an anime in full screen.
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>>61428665
This is questionable my friend. What about fullscreen applications?
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>>61428665
Fuck off
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What are normal idle temperatures for a Ryzen 1600 with the stock cooler? Mine sits around 38-40c and makes me paranoid I left plastic on or messed up the paste.
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>>61428665
>Multiple monitors are a symptom of bad window management skills.
Having another monitor > better than having virtual workspaces. Having two monitors + virtual workspaces is a godly feeling.
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I think I'm just gonna bite the bullet and buy either a 1080 or a 1080ti. They're both $70 over their MSRP.

Now I just have to decide which flavor I want; the one that's cheaper, or the one that will last anywhere from 6 months to 2 years longer for $200 more.
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>>61428759
Depends where you live. 35C is average for idle. Your room and ventilation is the main factor when it comes to temps.
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>>61428378
>>61428410
1060/580 is an extremely marginal upgrade over a 970, unless you really, really need the extra vram.

And even then, there will barely be any extra horsepower for higher resolution gaming. Either a 1070 or 980ti is the next logical step.
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>>61428759
What's the ambient in your case? Are you running at stock frequencies/voltages? Seems a little high I get around 30 on a 1700X but I have a lot of airflow with an ambient in the case around 28-30.
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>>61428595
ASUS for cooling, acoustics, and gaymer cred, and XFX or Sapphire for good customer service.
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Currently picking out parts for a new computer and I would like to use the B350 gaming plus, which is a board with Ryzen support, I plan to go with the Ryzen 5 1600 and I wanted to know what memory I can/should use. If you also have a recommended card for me I'd love to hear suggestions.
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>have all the pc parts except GPU
>have to wait until they restock it and send it
When will the ride end?
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>>61428809
Stock frequency and voltage. Ambient is around 34c.
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>>61428959
>Ambient is around 34c

wew lad
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>>61428785
MSRP is bullshit
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>>61428990
I know, but it's normally the other way around; it's usually what you want to avoid rather than what you want to aim for. These cryptomemers really turned shit around.
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>>61428990
Yeah, you want to go by the MAP and not the MSRP.
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>>61428819
Is there any point in getting the MSI ITX model? I can only find the 460 from XFX, not 560
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>>61428881
HELLO DARKNESS MY OLD FRIEND
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>>61428881
>When will the ride end?
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WHY THE FUCK IS ETH RISING AGAIN
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>>61429079
NANI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>61429079
Because it just dropped to a 2 month low which is the perfect opportunity for people to buy it before it goes back up. You don't honestly believe it's going to crash down to nothing do you?
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>>61429079
Because it sunk low as hell so people bought the shit out of it, thus bringing the price back up.
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May be a dumb question but I built my PC years ago and think alot of the drivers are out dated except for my graphics card driver. Where can I go to get the rest updated?
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>>61429079
All the top coins are doing that: https://coinmarketcap.com/

ETH is just following the overall market trends recently
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>>61429145
Nvidia or AMD website. inb4 voodoo, there are no graphics driver updates for those any more
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>>61429145
>Go to your search engine of choice
>Type in "[Name of device] drivers" into the search bar
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>>61429183
I actually did this two years ago and somehow I assume broke my computer.

I system restored.
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>>61428974
How can I help it? I've got 2 Noctua p12's running full blast for intake and a rear and top exhaust.
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I was kind of a dumbo and bought a 1060 6GB last year without upgrading the rest of my system. Which as it turns out now was a smart move considering current prices.
What's the best CPU to pair it with when I mostly do general gaming, emulation and some minor encoding? Looking to spend around 300€ for a CPU+Motherboard+RAM combo.
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>>61428218
The same ram is like 12$ cheaper on amazon. Buy it all separate.
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>>61429224
if you want to make a quick upgrade for this cheap then how about used haswell+board? This way you won't need to buy DDR4 ram.

also fix the damn memory timings, just looking at them makes me feel like vomiting
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>>61429214
when your ambient is 34C there is nothing you can do except go to the basement or get a fucking air conditioner to lower room temps to actual fucking room temperature
you're fucked otherwise
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Anything wrong with this build? Gonna be used for gaming. Only on 1080p/60 for now, but maybe higher in the future.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rXzmcc
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>>61428406
Yes, but this is the only guy to say anything. I want to know if it's worth the trouble to swap. Isn't Asrock pretty decent nowadays?
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I plan on upgrading my current piece of shit computer to be able to play modern video games (PUBG is the only recent release I can think of) and not have to set everything to low. What do I need to accomplish this? How good is my current monitor as well? I could shell out for something new, but only if it's going to be a significant change. Budget is around $300-$400, depending on if I need a monitor or not.
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>>61429284
>i5

ENJOY YOUR AUTISTIC PC
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>buy shitty OEM tower with A6-9500 or A8-9600 this Black Friday/Back-to-School Sale for $400
>replace APU with Ryzen 7 1700 or Ryzen 5 1600
>install an RX 560 or GT 1050 Ti
>costs $200 less than building a custom system with budget parts
>no one mentions this at all
How dumb are you /pcbg/?
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I was hoping to do an all AMD build, but it's looking like Vega is going to run a bit hot for my purposes.

Unless significant fixes are made to the RX cards i'll probably either go for a RX 580 or seriously think about spending some extra money on a 1080.
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Recently made the swap from a cheap case to an r4 and swapped to a liquid cooler but the fans that came with both are turbines, anyone reccomend some decent, preferably silent fans to replace that arent noctuas (hate the colours so much)
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>>61429304
If by autistic you mean playing video games all day then that's fine
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>>61429348
You can easily get black noctua fans.
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>>61429366
ryzen 1600 now or coffee lake i5 which will be 4 cores 8 threads
i7s will be hex cores in the future thanks to intel getting wrecked
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>>61429300
>Yes, but this is the only guy to say anything

And? Most tech reviewers are afraid to shit on anything in case they stop getting sent free samples. The results speak for themselves, and TTL knows how to test for VRM temperatures, having worked with de8auer recently on the X299 inferno.

As for ASCock, their UEFI is shit, but their boards are reasonable.
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>>61429301
find a cheap 4790k used
get another stick of RAM

>>61429321
is it am4? if it isn't am4 you can't get ryzen on it, new socket till 2020
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>>61429425
What about graphics card?
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>>61429392
>i7s will be hex cores
>i7-8700K, 12MB L3 Cache, 95W TDP
>3.2GHz, 3.6GHz boost
kek
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>>61429268
Would a beefy cpu cooler help?
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>>61429372

The industrial ones? a bit pricey considering you basically have to undervolt to keep them quiet
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>>61429425
7th Gen APUs are all AM4 socket chips
Almost all of the OEM prebuilts with those APUs have motherboards rated for up to 65W TDP CPUs, so as long as you stay with 65W TDP CPUs and don't overclock them (not like you can on A320 chipsets), you're good
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>>61429478

They have beastly amounts of airflow though
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>>61429436
gpu market used or new is fucked up worse than a roastie in a gangbang right now
settle for a 970 if it's 100 dollars, bear with the 3.5 memory stutter
or find an AMD 300 series GPU
or buy the lower end AMD 500s, the 560s
good luck
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>>61429475
You can't cool below ambient without some sort of refrigeration. So unless you're talking about liquid nitrogen or something then you're out of luck. Just get the temps lower in your room and increase airflow into and out of the case.
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>>61429504
Alright, I'll hold off on a GPU then. Is there any reason I should change my CPU? At the time I just bought the 4770k because it was on sale I believe. There's no way I put $800 into a single piece. That said, it performs well, and never overheats.
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>>61429519
worse TIM compared to a 4790k
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Help this Brainlet! Old PC blew up, using this old piece of junk. I just need a cheap GPU to tide me over on this build til I can save up enough to build my new PC.
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>>61429650
GPU prices are inflated.
The cheap are midrange, and the midrange are missing.
I would ride it out.
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>>61427937
If they start at $50 I'd happily buy one.
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>>61429621
I'll sell this one and get a 4790k then, thanks.
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>>61429678
Thanks for the reply. I just need something I can slap in this machine for around 50 bucks. I was thinking the ASUS R7 240 but it's not really a gaming card.
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>>61429062
tfw currently on a GT 630
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>>61429729
All "gaming card" stock is gone unless you go 1080 class. Even on Ebay secondhand GPU prices are much higher than they would otherwise be.
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DAILY REMINDER:

ETH mining isn't going away, even if prices crash. MOST miners will continue even if they lose money on every hash for a potential gain in future spikes. They do not care about current pricing and you will not see some mythical cheap GPU flood.

The doing selloffs will just RMA them under an extended warranty they bought, and then flip the new/refreshed card on ebay for way above MSRP, or sell the several they have as a lot to other miners. Most of these cards will be completely fucked and still above MSRP.

We are all fucked and all you can do is wait and hope that Vega/Volta is shit for mining, that 1080s come down in price, or try to get a 1050ti for cheap, or hope for a mass restock on 1060 3GB's

Even if you do happen to get a stock notification on a 570/580, the cheapest price I have seen in the last 2 months on a 570 was still 280$ for a 4GB unit, and those sold out within 10 mins.
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>>61429736
>GT 630
this is a x1300 series with a blistering 256MB
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>>61429792
Wow man, no need to show off.
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>>61429650
>64 bit processor
>32 bit operating system
explain yourself
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What is the full process involved in replacing a motherboard? Will things be complicated by having unactivated windows?
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>>61429650
RX 560 or GTX 1050

And the Athlon 64 isn't shit. That CPU is a fucking historic milestone. Keep that PC around. That processor will be worth something some day
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>>61429833
Is being worth nothing worth something?
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>>61429829
depends. If you change it for a different motherboard, Windows 10 may throw a fit and unactivate itself... or it may not. Seems to be really inconsistent with that
The motherboard is what EVERYTHING connects to. Hence motherboard. Replacing it can be time intensive because you have to unhook everything from it. It's a pita on some pre-built desktops since soem of them use BGA laptop CPUS which aren't user serviceable, so they can't be removed.

>>61429856
They're currently going for like $2, but with it being such a historic milestone, collectors and retro enthusiasts will be snapping those up some day.
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>>61429880
Great, I have a X2 7750 sitting in my closet that's either melted or has bent pins.
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>>61429880
>windows 10
I'd never.
What I really want to know is what I'd have to do to install a motherboard without having to reinstall windows, since I don't have an install disk sitting around.
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>Still no Vega news
You serious AMD?
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>>61429931
likely nothing. The operating system is on the SSD or HDD, not the motherboard. The motherboard is just what everything connects to. If using a Windows version before 10, it won't care what motherboard you have
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>>61429984
Nice. Is there any fuckery with drivers?
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>>61429969
>being surprised by Wait™
Did you just recently start to like AMD?
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>>61430001
Nah. I am just surprised that we are 2 weeks out from launch and AMD has literally done nothing to drive up hype or excitement for an architecture they have been hyping since 2016.
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>>61430031
JUST
WAIT™
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>>61429997
all stored on the SSD or HDD
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>>61430044
I've been following that advice for 4 years, I can't wait anymore because my video card is dying.
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>>61430060
Wouldn't different motherboards require different drivers (or something)?
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>>61422836
Best $100 used GPU for use with an i7 4770(non k), GO.
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>>61430108
>buying a GPU used
>especially right now
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>>61430079
in general, no. drivers are generally for the operating system, but it won't hurt to grab drivers from the motherboard's website
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>>61430108
Just use the iGPU
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>>61429778
This is so true it hurts. I've already began to see the "new in box" GPUs hitting eBay at $1-200 above MSRP.
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>>61423037
autism???????????????????
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>>61429392
Don't wanna wait that long tho
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>>61429404
Never mind, I literally can't unless I get another CPU cooler.
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>>61430450
How are temps?
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>everything arrived a day late
>except for my hard drive which is currently 2 days late

goddamn i'm so fucking mad right now, not only was i unable to build it on sunday, but i couldn't even do anything with it after building it today
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>>61429778
I bought a 570 8gb for $260 last week, but yes they did sell out in 10 minutes
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>>61430462
Warm.
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>>61430464
>cpu arrived a day after given the tracking number (apparently they had a warehouse right down the street)
>everything else arrived the next day
>gpu arrives tomorrow

goddamn i'm so fucking happy
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Really happy with how this build turned out. Still not sure if the Asus mobo was worth it over the Asrock or Gigabyte models. About to move my build into a Define Mini C from a Node 804 if only because i'm board with the 804
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what is the thing with freesync/gsync, why would I want it?
would it make the experience of using a high refresh rate screen better, even more if I couldn't maintain 144fps+ all the time?
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>>61430611
It hides frame drops really well.
Like going from 144 fps to 100 fps is extremely noticeable on a normal monitor but Freesync/gsync hides the drop really well.
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>>61430634
that's nice to know, just one more question now, are there any (or will be on a near future) 27'' 1440p 144Hz IPS screens with freesync?
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>>61430666
Any high monitor that doesn't have Gsync will have Freesync. But Freesync itself is needs an update soon and you might want to hold off till Freesync 2 if the reason you are buying a monitor is for Freesync.
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>>61430682
do you have any idea of when this is coming? I'm planning to build my new PC late august/early september
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>>61430696
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-freesync-2
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Fucking cryptocunts, just when I got cash to build a pc
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>>61430723
You can still afford a 1060 or 1080
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>>61430702
thanks for all the help anon
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Hey /pcbg/,
today I need your help for once, I just put a build together for my cousin and I did run into some little bumps I would like to clarify.
Parts for reference:
R5 1600 non X
MSI PC Mate (mobo)
G.Skill Trident 16GB 3000MHz CL15-16-16-35
I don’t have experience with MSI UEFI or Ryzen CPUs so here’s some stuff I want to clarify.
First after installing Winshit and updating the UEFI botnet I could only choose from two XMP profiles the fastest one gave me 2933MHz and a stepping I can’ remember but not 15-16-16-35, can I just manually put in the values and the clock I want it to run or no chance it will run at 3000MHz?
Second the R5 1600 is only running @3,4GHz all core instead of 3,6GHz it should be running on. I didn’t look into CPU options on the BIOS because I wanted to read up info on OC because so far only OCed INTEL CPUs.
I did Prime95 it to test if the RAM is stable in 2933MHz and what the temps are with the cooler I did choose with it (51°C at 100% load on all cores) and the CPU only did 3,4GHz all core.
The Mobo has a AutoOC function which puts the Ryzen R5 on 3,7GHz @1,4V which is a little to high for my comfort so I put it off for now and will later manualy look how high I can get it stable with are more comfy Voltage.

So any Idea why it does only 3,4GHz instead of 3,6GHz on stock? Is the 3,6GHz single core boost?
Also I already put the power plan on high performance so can rule that out.

English is not my native language so feel free to call me retarded
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>>61430754
Is the RAM on the QVL?
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>>61429814
S-should I reinstall Windows 10?
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>>61430773
yes. choose 64 bit.
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>>61430838
What are some of the benefits? Sorry, brainlet here...
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N4C2Cy

Thoughts?
white/light blue build.
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>>61430759
ahh thanks question answered, they are not.
any idea with the 3,4GHz instead of the 3,6GHz?
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>>61430860
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IknbgnJLSRY
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What do you think of my build?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mvhR3F
Adding an ssd later and a GTX 1070 or Rx 580 once they're available
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>>61430896
Ryzen 1600 has a base clock of 3.2ghz and a turbo of 3.6ghz.
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>>61430916
Get faster RAM and 2 sticks over one
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>>61430916
>1600X and non-stock cooler
>X370
What do you plan on actually doing with this build?
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>>61430905
Thanks a lot Anon. You helped me a lot and taught me some stuff. Going to reinstall windows 10 tomorrow.
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would turning down all game settings that are not resolution/resolution scale allow for minimum of > 60 fps on a gtx 1080 on 1440p?

let's say on battlefield 1 for example
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>>61430924
question is why doesn't it boost/turbo to 3,6GHz under full load
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>>61430993
those turbos are single core turbo only, and IF you have enough cooling, you also get that extra 750MHz of turbo too
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>>61430993
>>61430993
Did you turn on turbo in the bios?
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>>61430959
The 1600x doesn't come with a stock cooler and I'm using the X370 because it's better for overclocking and has 3 PCIe.
Is there anything wrong?
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>>61431034
ah i'm fucking retarded, if its not automatic on then no i didn't holy shit i am fucking dumb.
thanks anon you helped today
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>>61431066
Ryzen also has some kind of "cool and quiet" option that you can turn off so it boosts more readily
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>>61430864
bump
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>>61430864
Artic boards still have red usb's if that matters to you

consider another 8gb of ram I guess, rest looks fine.
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>>61431846
I can always drown it out with blue led strips. not all that concerned
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Posted my own thread and I guess that was a mistake so here I am.

So what exactly would be the best case for this kind of build?

I've been thinking of getting a mid tower (the Fractal Design S to be exact since it's cheap) but thinking about it, I don't know if my water cooler will fit and if there is enough airflow for my gpu and water cooler to cool down sufficiently.

Any advice?
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>>61431896
When in doubt, get a full tower
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>>61431896
Look for builds on TY, popular cases have dozens of build guides
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>>61431994
TY?
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>>61432030
he meant YT. as in youtube
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I need help, what is the cheapest gaming PC you guys can build?
I lost my PC in an accident and won't be able to get all the investment back for a while.
Ignore high graphics or things like those, the only requirement is it can run games without it having too low of a frame rate.
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>>61432227
budget?
G4560+1050ti is a good cheap build. Or maybe wait for ryzen 3.
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>>61432262
Right now I can probably afford $400, I have a monitor, mouse and all the other stuff covered, and I have a case.
I probably should just save up and be patient but I'm tired of phone posting and having nothing to do.
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Troubleshooting my friends PC. His 7700 (non-k) has temperature spiking all over the place. Could it be a thermal paste application problem or is it intel being shit? Should I help him remove his heatsink and check? That would involve me getting alcohol to remove it and new paste to replace it with and I really don't want to do it unless I have to.
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>>61432330
Buy a ryzen 3 and upgrade later to a higher end ryzen 5 or 7 cpu and better graphics card like GTX 1070




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