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Just a quick reminder that macOS and FreeBSD are the only OS's that actually have a up-to-date filesystem.
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>>61879057
Can't wait for macOS 10.13.
Already have it on my laptop and it's pretty good for a beta but want to wait for final before I update my main.
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>>61879057
Why should I care, again?
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i can't even read that, phoneposter
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Do you have a mental disability? You can run ZFS on Linux. GNU is also a userspace and has absolutely nothing to do with kernel filesystems.
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>>61879057
Windows have ReFS its used in windows server 2012+ and will be used as next FS after NTFS
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>>61879098

Can't boot, motherfucker. Can't simply install on ZFS, idiot.
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>>61879102

Then Microdick decided it was too expensive, and killed it.

Gotta have more tablet features!
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NTFS is a good filesystem but many of the features are hidden from the user in Windows because of some backwards compatibility bullshit
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>>61879138
Yes you fucking can, autist. You can compile it straight into the kernel or have it as a module on an initramfs. It's so fucking easy that the Ubuntu installer will do it for you.
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>>61879144
No they didn't. Are you thinking of WinFS?
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>>61879146

Nope, and nobody cares about excuses...

>>61879147
No, you don't. The Ubuntu installer HAD it, and then they had to remove it.

>>61879163

Where is it now? Bitch? They stopped.
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>>61879199
Being added to win10 pro ws in the fall
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>>61879199
Yeah they stopped winfs and made refs instead.
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>>61879138
>>61879199
t. mactoddler who can't compile a kernel
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>>61879199
You can create a ReFS partition in Windows 8+ right now

>Nope, and nobody cares about excuses...
This is a thread about the filesystems themselves instead of the OS-specific implementation of the filesystem, no?
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>>61879242

"Maybe next time", they have been promissing it for ages!

>>61879259

Yes, I can, but I won't, just I don't wash my dishes.
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>>61879199
What are you talking about, retard? ReFS is still being actively developed.
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>>61879280
>the city of you
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Wasn't APFS the one that dropped unicode normalization.
Leading to all sorts of fun with HFS+ migration and everything using non-ASCII characters?
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>>61879298

No, it's all BS by the obvious haters...
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>>61879057
What about OpenIndiana from which FreeBSD's ZFS is ported from? Also, ZoL is pretty stable.
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>>61879138
Jesus Christ you're an idiot.
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>>61879057
>APFS
>botched normalization of filenames
>fake copies of files.
yeah no
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>>61879311

So that's why Apple itself advises to use "high level APIs" when dealing with the FS instead of letting the FS itself handle things.
I see it now.

Source:
https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/FileManagement/Conceptual/APFS_Guide/FAQ/FAQ.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40016999-CH6-DontLinkElementID_3
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Ext3COW is a thing, though I don't know if it's stable enough for mainstream use.
Reiser4 has different writing strategies and COWs some stuff
ZFS is available through FUSE.
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>>61879057
The only reason zfs isn't supported out of the box on linux is because of incompatible licences. You can still manually compile it into the kernel though.
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>>61879466

Yeah, works out of the box? I don't care.
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>>61879522
If you don't care, don't post on a board that is, by definition, for people who care.
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>>61879543

Doesn't work out of the box, because it's not part of Linux.

ZFS worked on macOS before APFS was even announced via legitimate kernel extensions, didn't make ZFS a Mac filesystem.
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>>61879057
You can use zfs on any linux distro worth a shit. I use it on my file server runing suse.
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>>61879558
Technically, APFS isn't part of MacOS either. It's just the only OS that supports it.
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>>61879057
Can you even copy URLs into macs ctrl+O like on Windows?
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>>61879592
You high?

>>61879795
What do you even mean?

Can you even drag&drop on Windows, while using the keyboard and scrolling?
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>>61879057
You're a retard. ReFS supports CoW, furthermore with Storage Spaces Direct and CSV_ReFS it supports spanning multiple servers and reading/writing to them in parallel. Neither APFS nor ZFS supports this natively, and you have to run a bullshit FS on top of ZFS to accomplish it.
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>>61879558
Ubuntu ships ZFS, you can install it as your base filesystem out of the box. Are you actually fucking retarded.
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>>61879857

if only Windows supported ReFS.

>>61879865

For the fucking 1923912839812TH time.

UBUNTU
DOES
NOT
SHIP
WITH
ZFS
ANYMORE
BECAUSE
STALLMAN
SAID
SO
BECAUSE
ZFS
IS
NOT
GPL
SO
YOU
ALL
BEND
THE
KNEE
FREETARDS
AND
SETTLE
FOR
INFERIOR
SOFTWARE
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>>61879946
>if only Windows supported ReFS.
How retarded are you?
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>>61880006

Nice, you labeled one of your drives "SOFS"
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>>61880056
Scale Out File Server.
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>>61879837
>click "choose file"
>paste URL instead a file on hard drive
>it uploads
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Why are you so upset about file systems? Is it because the obscure inner workings of Darwin / BSD are all you have left after Apple slowly burned everything else to the ground in every update since Snow Leopard?
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Are there better file managers on Linux than Caja?
You can't even move/rename files/create folders when you ctrl+o, and ctrl+f seems to inconsistently work.
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>>61879057
btrfs works fine for me.
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>>61879057
I use BtrFS on Linux and it works just fine, never had any issue of any kind. Supports COW and all the shit you stated in your outdated array.
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>>61881194

and it's waaay faster than zfs, scales better, etc.
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Is op a troll or just retarded? Almost everything he claims it false
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>>61879316
I love IllumOS but there's very little reasons to use it over FreeBSD
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>>61879558
>i'am mentally retarded, the post
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Ubuntu™ installer comes with ZFS, so you can use Ubuntu™ with ZFS.
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>>61879057
can someone give me the basic gestalt of freebsd?
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>>61879057
What's wrong with ext4 other than lacking CoW?
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>>61882679
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< what's a CoW? >
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\ ^__^
\ (oo)\_______
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>>61879057
>up-to-date filesystem
yes other filesystems are unable to store timestamps, good one frend
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>>61881216
Btrfs is a piece of shit lol. I'm all for ZFS alternatives, but btrfs is literal shit. Hopefully bcachefs gets somewhere because btrfs is doomed
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>>61879057
Also a 100% proprietary filesystem
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>>61879946

> For the fucking 1923912839812TH time.

> UBUNTU
> DOES
> NOT
> SHIP
> WITH
> ZFS

Are you actually retarded. Serious question.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/ZFS
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=zfs&searchon=names

Notice that they're still present in Universe for both Zesty (current release) and Artful (next release). Not to mention that I know people who work at Canonical, and they haven't mentioned any plans to stop distributing ZFS.

It would've taken you 5 minutes to search it up, why are you so fucking autistic.
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MacOS. I am a Mac owner. Fucking bullshit system, everything is a bad dangerous hack on a bad dangerous hack.
HFS+ is a joke, always loosing permissions and needing filesystem repair.
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>>61879057
>HFS2.0
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>>61883424
And actually it's in the main repos for 16.10 and later (not just universe).
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>>61879057
>Pretending it matters when gluster storage or object storage exist
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>>61882785
Copy-on-Write, the basis of OP's non-argument.
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>>61879057
>mac
>good filesystem
is this a joke?
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>>61879577
>Suse
>Linux distro worth a shit

You poor lost soul
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>>61883690
>HFS+ already is essentially HFS2.0.
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>>61879057
>copy-on-write
Enjoy your wasted space OP.
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>>61885537
you don't know what copy-on-write means or does
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>>61885090
APFS is actually good. The only problem with it was the unicode normalization, and they fixed that already
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>>61885666
>disk powers off before my COW flushes to disk
No wonder Btrfs and ZFS makes snapshots all the time, you guys must lost data all the time.
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>>61885731
>disk powers off before my COW flushes to disk
Then you wouldn't lose any data because nothing has been overwritten
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>>61885731
write caching isn't unique to CoW filesystems
besides, CoW has the advantage in this case anyway, as an incomplete write means the old data is still intact, as it wasn't overwriting the old data directly
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>>61885767
>you wouldn't lose any data
What about the data you didn't flush because of COW's retardation?

>>61885781
COW flushes less often. Also, Why the fuck would I want COW if I don't want local backups? Good for a NAS but keep that shit away from my laptop.
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>>61879057
>Mac OS
>Good Filesystem

Pick one.

>*BSD
This one is correct.
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you are right, the osx file system cannot be beat!
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>>61885796
>What about the data you didn't flush because of COW's retardation?

>disk loses power before writing data
>why don't I have this data?
Are you retarded?
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>>61885796
>COW flushes less often.
"CoW" doesn't have anything to do with when or if writes are being cached or flushed, it's just a filesystem feature
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>>61879057
btrfs is the best fs faggot.
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>>61885822
>>61885825
>data loss is more likely with a FS than with another
>somehow a feature
Faggot, use it on your own machine. You're probably underaged brown people who think they use the "best" OS.
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>>61885857
dataloss is harder to do with CoW, as you're not directly overwriting data
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>>61885867
Wasted space.
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>>61885857
Holy shit you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about
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>>61885874
it doesn't waste space, a complete write causes the previous data to become available for use
you're only using additional space /during/ a write, not before or after
it's kind of like journaling, which some non-CoW filesystems have, only more integrated
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>>61879057
>HFS2.0
>shat out by the same poo in loos that shat out HFS
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>>61879057
Remember when that abrasive fat fuck Linus ranted about HFS+? Well, now the tables have turned. Now it's Linux that has the shittiest FS of them all.

Someone send Linus an email and ask him why Linux has the shittiest FS while macOS has the best.

TOPPEST OF KEKS!
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>>61885903
see >>61885911
Send an email to that retard now and ask him why Linux has such a gigantic smelly piece of shit FS. Ask him why can't he code something as good. Ask him when he'll retire and join RMS at some retirement home.
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>>61879057
even UFS isn't too bad

what's your excuse michaelsoft
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>>61879057
>ufs
>lose power
>entire directories in lost + found after fsck
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>>61885839
>still can't store databases or vm images
nice toy




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