https://support.google.com/pixelphone/forum/AAAAb4-OgUsYvy0RfOPFfU/?hl=byThis is what Google shills really think.
>>62796005if you're gonna insist getting rid of the headphone jack then at least make a small adapter that attaches right to the bottom of the phone instead of this dangly overpriced fucking brick.
face it poorfags, if apple drops a port, it becomes obsolete instantly
>>62796063it's not obsolete the manufacturers who omit it are. which is why i switched phones when apple did it and i will avoid the pixel like the plague.
>>62796112hope you enjoy getting software 2 years late or never
>The removal of the headphone jack from apple did bring them similar complaints at first, but then those died down and people adapted. That is what we do when we using technology, we adapt.>we adapt>WE ADAPTThis is what bothers me more than anything else. Technology is supposed to be our bitch and make our lives better, why the fuck should I have to adapt to something that technology has worsened?
>>62796005When a phone from 5 years ago has more functionality out of the box than one that just came out, you know you fucked up
>>62796200Good bleutooth headphones will make your life better than using corded earbuds
>>62796264>Good bluetooth headphonesBut those don't exist
>>62796005Pixel comes with a free adapter.
>>62796297Bluetooth 5 in the pixel supports hifi codecs and low latency.
>>62796061Can't. Pixel 2 doesn't support analog audio via usb-c. Need to fit a DAC in the adapter.
>>62796005Thanks for apple i will never buy a phone again.
>>62796297This isn't 2010 moron. Sure it won't be like listening to $500 headphones from a super awesome DAC or whatever you people do but the vast majority of people at most just use mid range earbuds when not at home. A lot of people just use the supplied earphones even. As the tripshit said, Bluetooth 5 is a great improvment, its also on both new iPhones and obviously the AirPods 2 which will come some time in the future. You're talking about a mobile phone here, people would rather not get tangled in wires around their clothing when they're out and about.
>>62796357So you need a DAC in the headphones too?
>>62796182This is what you got for not buying bb
>>62796200Sounds like this expert has adapted to his gf fucking strange men instead of him
>>62796504Ha, jokes on you, I don't even have a girlfriend
>>62796540She already fucked before you.
>>62796264good luck ever finding them when they get lost>b-but headphonesgood luck getting to CHARGE them to use them lmao
>>62796620That is why I said good, dumbass poorfag
>>62796409Name one thing that BT 5.0 does to increase Bluetooth audio quality over previous iterations you cumguzzling faggot.
>>62797476BT 5 has almost double the data transfer rate of BT 4.2 you dumb fuck. Not to mention being more efficient and having a longer broadcast range. Can't you do 3 seconds of Google? Or did you just think they gave it a new name for no reason?This place doesn't even deserve to be called a tech board. Even fucking YouTube comments on meme tech channels have more savvy than this place.
>>62796357this shit is so bad, thats the first time in my life i want to send death threats.who thought that adding DACs to things with wires heavily susceptible to wear and tear was a good idea
>>62797816Sorry Pajeet, but could you describe any audio profiles that use BT 5.0?
>>62797859>who thought that adding DACs to things with wires heavily susceptible to wear and tear was a good ideaWhy wouldn't it be a good idea? You sell more shit that way.
>>62797961You literally didn't even know the basics of Bluetooth 5 before I told you, you're asking questions you're not even smart enough to comprehend. BT 5 is an emerging standard, its a TRANSMISSION standard you retarded cunt, any audio profile can use it.Just fuck off back to 9fag.
first apple, then google, then everyone else.
>>62796620>have bt headphones>charge them overnight>stay charged for a week using them everyday>I also have a phone with a headphone jackIt feels good to walk anywhere without a cord at my side.
>>62798076>then google,This part is redundant.
>>62796384and the world will continue to turn without you. nobody cares.
>all these cheap 3.5mm devices for meNice
>>62796005it should cost 20 times lesshttps://www.aliexpress.com/item/SIANCS-Charger-Music-2-in-1-USB-Type-C-Audio-Cable-USB-Type-C-to-3/32823930098.html
It's easy you can just use usb-c for audio and wireless char-Oh.
>>62796357>Pixel 2 doesn't support analog audio via usb-cIt's part of the fucking spec. How could it not support it?
>>62798232it's hip to remove things for no reason, didn't you see the trend?
>>62798057Actually codec support built into the standard is pretty important.Current standards cut out instead of lowering quality and end up adding a delay.
>>62796182Eat shit, fag.Posted from Oreo on Galaxy S6.
>>62798088>carry massive over the ear headphones wherever i go
>>62796357i think they are doing it so headphone manufacturers get the cost of it, fucking meme tech wars ruin consumer fun by crippling people for some cents per phone
>>62798232It's not required. DESU I hated the analog audio hack, it ruins the U in USB by having certain peripherals only work in certain ports.
>>62798232It's available in the spec as something you could transmit over USB-C, if the device chooses not to transmit it it's just not there. Usb C zip disquettes also don't transmit analog audio
>>62798232It's optional, and it's supposed to only be used by dongles. It fixes pretty much no problems and just adds confusion. Is it even supported by any phone?
>>62796005>moshi ...moshi desu
>>62800429Audio is an analog signal in the end, on one side people want to gain efficiency (digital signals over fast channels) bit then on the other side everyones just toying around without ever thinking about what would be the fucking use case/near-future result (needing DACs in literally everything)... Every thing is 'the future' nowadays, and they say "just get used to it", but in the end, that shit happens every 2 years and somehow magically it still isn't the future. What are we even doing? Would we not be happy with another 5 years of 3.5mm jacks? Are we holding back the singularity because we think its convenient to transmit audio over something that is 3.5mm around?Do they just want us to adapt to random things, so that it will be easier for us to adapt when they change things at their convenience and our cost?I don't really remember what this post was going to be about
>>62798632>massive>fits in the 3-inch space in my backpack >light enough to carry anywhere>durable as fuckmeanwhile>carry 6 inch goolag pixel>with 5 inch 45 dollar headphone adapterHave fun having the cord start coming off from all the unnecessary bending. The headphone adapter also costs more than half of the headphones.
This is the only non-moron flagship phone. If you want top of the line and are not a moron, it is your only choice.
>>62796005my 5x is the last official google phone im ever buying.
>>62796357So what? The future is have my giant tablet sized phone plugged into an adapter than will then plug into a DAC on my belt, but in order to maintain decent battery life I'll need to buy a battery pack than will either go in my other pocket or on my belt?Just give me my fucking pager back.
>>62800596Good luck with that lasting more than 12 months before the inevitable solder crack on the SOC occurs. Mine lived about 14 months before it ate shit.
>>62798232USB-C SUPPORTS analog audio over it, that doesn't mean that you have to connect analog output lanes to the jack.
>>62796409> Sure it won't be like listening to $500 headphones from a super awesome DAC or whatever you people doSo as someone who has $500 headphones, why the FUCK would I downgrade to not having a 3.5mm jack?
>>62800593Xperia XZ Premium still has a 3.5mm audio jack, and similar but better specs including a 4K screen.
>>62802798No, you don't get what he's saying.It's not OPTIONAL in the Pixel phones, because it is NOT SUPPORTED by the Pixel phones.
>>62802874I do get what he is saying.The USB-C spec supports analog audio but it's not a requirement. You still need to connect the output of an internal DAC to it and not all USB-C devices will have DACs, so requiring analog output wouldn't make sense.
>>62796342And the pixel buds are 4.2 :^)
These is literally nothing wrong with getting rid of the headphone jack. The issue is that good audio manufacturers are doing nothing about it and are not producing plain USB c headphones.
>>62803225>The issue is that good audio manufacturers are doing nothing about it and are not producing plain USB c headphones.And that not all USB-C devices will output analog over USB-C.>just include a DAC in the plug on the headphones!And then you have headphones that have DACs, ones that don't, ones that have cheap DACs but cost $200 and so on.Speakers are a simple thing. They take an analog signal and use it to vibrate a diaphragm to produce sound.The 3.5mm jack facilitates this perfectly. Why change it?
>>62803225> there's nothing wrong with removing what works and requiring more complexity while getting lower quality
>>62796112wireless bluetooth headphones are becoming more commonin two years, you won’t need the headphone jack for anything except gaming and audiophile/audio production workIf Google can make the Google Home mini for $50, they most certainly can make an inexpensive wireless pair of earbuds
I like having the option of using both 3.5mm and wireless. Wireless when working out, corded when at home or walking about.It's good to have the option to fall back when I've forgotten to charge BT headphones. The audio quality is good enough for on the go purposes. I don't really understand the quality argument for the removal of 3.5mm, and I've at least spent a bit on above average audio. HD650 headphones, ok studio monitors for pc and floorstanders for HTPC.Am I going to lug around a DAC and amp for my HD650 because of muh mobile supreme audio quality (half drowned out by cars and whatnot)? Probably not going to happen...With that said, I still don't really like the change as it's just less functionality.
>>62805860Implying somebody wants another fucking battery to charge... No, we don't want that,...
>>62796325Which is only for audio, you can't charge nd listen to headphones at the same time unless you spend $50 more
>>62805860The Google Home Mini is subsidised with your private information.
>>62796063For some reason when Apple makes a port it never catches on either tho
>>62806176That's because they either gouge the shit out of manufacturers for using it, or keep it completely closed off.
I want to stomp on his stupid head do much. Why does he anger me that much. He doesn't affect my life in any way
>>62798088Do they really last that long it are you shilling?
Jesus fucking christ.I work at Google and I'd never use a Pixel 2.
>>62806258they pay janitors well enough to afford a pixel?
>>62796005We are all being bad consumers. The market is supposed to react to customer demand. Somehow it's become reversed where companies think they should dictate to the market. The problem is that we let them. This is on us, but still douche behavior on the part of big companies.
>>62806316not my fault every other oem can't get software right
>>62796005i dont mind the lack of a 3.5mm jack but "staying in the 1870s" is a very, very retarded way of putting this
Just make something that docks directly on the phone
>>62798047for a board so heavily entrenched in the throes of empty consumerism, people here seem really surprised when they get nickeled and dimed
>>62796200You already adapted to the removal of physical keyboards, removable batteries, expandable memory, and phones large enough to hold a battery that last more than 12 hours.What is the removal of one more feature?
>>62806701This holy shit how has no one made something that sticks right to the bottom of the phone into the port?, just blends with the contours and provides the functionality the manufacturer has taken away.
>>62796005>FOURTYFIVEYOUSDOLLARSlmao you can get a full smartphone for thisand it even has a headphone jack AND a charging port built in, so it's more practical for real life than the Pixel 2!
>>62808257Most of the shit you listed is just a cash grab or because of normies demanding thinner phones. Removing the headphone jack is ridiculous tho. Only makes it less functional. It doesn't even serve a purpose...even the thinnest phones have one.
>>62796005Why on Earth would anyone even consider a pixel when the Galaxy S8 exists?>SD card slot>Water resistant>Actually has a headphone jackWireless headphones just expose you that little bit more to the botnet anyway.
>let's remove the headphone jack for more space for internals >make the phone bigger!So wait... Why remove the jack?
>>62808257>implying I'll be goddamned if I'm buying another phone without the option of expandable storage. I switched away from applel specifically because I was tired of paying so much just to have a decent amount of storage on my phone and not have to store everything in "the cloud™"
>Google is better than app....Google really lacks any type of creativity anymore don't they. You'd think they'd at least get something out of all the sjw's with their art degrees.
>>62808629>can't handle all that spacetop cuck
>>62806234The battery life for AirPods is close to 30 hours. Neckbuds should last even longer.
At least is not a propietary connector but a standard one. My main concern is give a company the ownership of waht they sell and what can I do with it.
>>62809037My momentum 2 wireless last 22 hrs with noise canceling.30 min charge last for over 1 week. This Friday I had 5 hrs left when I got home.Also not having to hear and feel the cord getting pulled as you walk is very nice.
>>62809320Ment for >>62806234
>>62797253>being a consumer whore that gleefully embraces higher prices in exchange for less functionality in the belief that people will think they are wealthy>actually wealthy people waste money on high priced rapidly depreciating consumer goods>niggers that live in the ghetto driving Cadillacs and wearing beats headphone clearly are rich
>>62798076>everyone elseYou know you can still easily buy phones that support microSD and removable batteries years after Google and Apple supposedly killed those things. Not every manufacturer goes along with these things blindly
>>62796005Wow.What a fucking turncoat.
>>62796005At this point why not just buy a dedicated mp3 player?You have to carry the shitty dongle same as mp3 player but atleast listening to music wouldn't eat up your phone's battery anymore
>>62800593I have this piece of shit and I fucking hate it. Meme curved screens keep getting accidental touches and the sharp sides are a bitch to hold
>>62805992There is zero reason to remove analog out at this point. If the phone is that thin I'm not going to be interested in something that fragile. That was the only case ever made for a technical reason for its removal. And that could be easily be dodged by a very small adapter if they absolutely had to do it.Bullshit about reducing complexity is just that, bullshit. We're purchasing a $700 phone. You damn well better not try making our lives harder for your marketing teams sake
Reasons for removing the headphone jack:- Plugging the analog hole- Enforcing audio DRM- Monitoring how much inconvenience the goyim will put up with in the name of 'progress' for the future
>>62796061you mean something like this?
>>62809542Apple never had them
>>62809634That's what I do, fuck playing music from a glitchy phone
>>62810361How do you put music on it with Linux?
>>62810361I want to see Apple release a new ipod generation without the headphone jack
>>62796297Don't you have some oxygen free cable stands to purchase?
>>62812018Don't give them ideas
>>62796409>both new iPhones>AirPods 2Fucking wonderful, I have to buy two new expensive products to make Bluetooth not suck ass all the time? Then I'll probably find they still periodically come disconnected at random or drop out for a second, and then I'll have to wait another year and hear about how I just need another new phone and another overpriced earbuds.Or I could just live with a wire that simply works 100% of the time.
I can see why some companies are doing this. It's to lower how much they gotta spend on the manufacturing of the phone. Removing the jack and DAC would mean that they won't have to include the chip anymore so they won't have to pay anything. Anyone who says it's about space is bullshitting. They just want to lower the over cost of the phones for themselves while charging higher prices to the consumers.
>>62796005More like this pls.
>>62812912But they're not removing the DAC, the fucking phone has speakers right?
>>62812912This. It's time to take all the unnecessary extras out of the phone to get costs back under control, and sell them as extras. Speaker can be an add on accessory as well. Microphone and camera too. GPS only adds cost for people who don't need it. I think by 2025 we can get the core phone down to just a battery and a SIM slot, and plug everything else into that.
>>62808535>hate touchwiz>hate the curved screen>everything else is the best available but those two things will completely spoil my enjoyment of the phoneWhy is it so hard to make a phone that isn't shit?
>>62813269But why a SIM card it only adds cost to the people who don't need it!
>>62813085For how long though. Most phones have mono speakers. Apple could release a new iphone without speakers and just have a small bluetooth stereo speaker included. They could claim better sound quality than built in speakers.Sounds stupid but I see them doing it.
>>62813315Aren't they trying to remove it. I remember reading that they want phones that don't need SIM cards.
>>62813363Awesome. Who doesn't want to go back to the days of CDMA phones where you have to get your carrier's permission to transfer your account to a new phone?
fucking apple cancer is spreading
>>62813410But Anon SIM cards are antiquated technology!Now we're only waiting for the Courage™ of our saviour to remove this outdated crap!
>>62813410https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/telecommunications/our-insights/e-sim-for-consumers-a-game-changer-in-mobile-telecommunicationshttp://www.iphoneincanada.ca/news/apple-carriers-e-sim/Expect this soon.
>>62813269There was a such a vision at one point, but Google watered it down to useless gimmicks, then finally killed it.
>>62802820stop being autistic and become a normie. just use 20 dollar headphones. the quality difference is literally autistic level difference. seriously. if you are walking around with 500 dollar headphones in public then maybe you should reevaluate your life
>>62796005>really wanted a Pixel>decided to wait for the next iteration for Google to perfect the phone>start hearing rumors they're gonna remove the audio jack with Pixel 2>hopes and dreams crushedWhy? I can deal with non-replceable batteries and no mSD if it comes with a lot of internal storage, but removing the audio jack is suicide unless you've already got your drones hard by the balls like Apple.Google literally just halved their sales of the Pixel 2 in hopes of raking in on selling dongles. I hope they fire the entire HTC division they bought and never return to making phones again.
>>62812912>the most basic, refined part in the phone probably manufactured for 20 cents or less>WE GOTTA REMOVE IT AND INCLUDE A MORE EXPENSIVE DONGLE ON THE SIDE BECAUSE WE GOTTA SAVE MONEY, DON'T YOU SEE?
>>62814780¢20 adds up, dongles are overcharged.
>>62815708A USB C to 3.5mm dongle costs the phone maker more than a builtin headphone jack. If they include the dongle in the box, it costs them more than putting it in the phone. So it really just comes down to designers either removing it for stupid aesthetic reasons, because they aren't competent enough to fit everything else in with it there [spoiler]or because marketing wanted to sell more AirPods[/spoiler].
>>62814077Try listening to music on cheapo $20 bluetooth headphones, then try with $100 wired ones. The difference is night and day.$500 is over the top and there isn't a lot of improvement between around $150 and $500.