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>one thousand dollars
>4 gigs of RAM
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>>62866640
>chicklet keyboard
>indoor/outdoor carpeting
This belongs in the trash.
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>>62866640
4gb of ram is plenty enough because of efficient Microsoft ram management technology
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>>62866681
>efficient Microsoft ram management technology

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>62866640
>when your laptop has fur
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>>62866681
Kek nice one
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>not buying the chink copy for 400$
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Not a lot of money. Not everybody works at taco bell.
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>>62866681
No thanks, virtual memory is cancer
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>>62868464
Nice bait, poorfag
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>>62866681
Absolute lel
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>>62866640
Can only use Windows Store apps too!
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>>62866681
>windows 10
>have no programs open
>1.7GB ram used

>arch with i3
>firefox with 3 tabs, thunderbird, discord, and VLC open
>1.7GB ram used

you can't make this shit up
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>>62866698
When your laptop is literally unrepairable without permanently ruining it
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>>62870744
wtf is this real
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>>62870770
yes
https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Microsoft+Surface+Laptop+Teardown/92915
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>>62866640
>>62866681
>>62866696
>>62866710
>>62868479
>>62868480
>>62868496
>>62868521

I know the whole "OS is using a lot of memory while idling" meme is a big thing here, but do you guys not actually understand why some OSes do that?

Have you never seen screenshots of people running windows on VMs with 1GB of memory, only to see the utilization at 70% or less? What do you think would cause that huge disparity?
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>>62868521
>thunderbird for email
>VLC for media
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>>62870833
>Have you never seen screenshots of people running windows on VMs with 1GB of memory, only to see the utilization at 70% or less? What do you think would cause that huge disparity?
Windows can't run on 1GB of ram lol
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>>62866681
4gb of ram is plenty enough for Microsoft's botnet
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>>62866640
RAM is very expensive these days, OP. Think of the stock holders and the executives. They might not be able to afford that third house, or that vacation in Aruba. How dare you imply that $1000 should buy a functional laptop. If you're too poor to afford a better system, get a job and stop sitting around the house all day smoking the pot while watching anime.
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>>62870851
Actually it can. Also finishing your sentences with "lol" for no reason makes you look dumb
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>>62870851
Yes u can run it as long as you have ssd as a system drive and virtual memory are enable.
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>>62870833
Following up, this is a screenshot of my laptop right now. Only have chrome and VS open. 5.5 utilized seems a lot higher than the "1.7GB ram used" previously mentioned, even if I do have a couple programs open. So why is this?

>>62870851
I'm not sure how to respond to this. The stated RAM requirements by MSFT itself is 1GB.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications#sysreqs

I mean, if you want to meme about that, don't let me stop you.
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>>62866640
What if your mom squirts on it?
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>>62866696
>>62866710
>>62868479
>>62868480
>>62868496
>>62868521
10 runs on shit tablets with 1GiB of memory fine and even in high memory environments you can tweak it to fall under 600MiB of usage
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>>62870877
I mean to be fair , when you have 16gbs of ram it will pre load a lot of shit.
But def having 4gbs is fucking bad and should never be a thing in 2017
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>>62870904
Since no one seems interested in responding to my earlier posts, the reason for this "high RAM utilization" is because the OS is designed to saturate RAM with quasi-needed data, if the pool is available. Which is why, in my screenshot, I currently have 5.5GB utilized out of 16GB. On a 4GB machine, this would obviously be much lower. When RAM is needed by actual applications, the OS intelligently frees up and reallocates memory that is being used by something unnecessary.

At some point in history, PC manufacturers realized they could trick otherwise ignorant consumers to pay more for a computer because it had "more RAM" that their previous, slow computer. Little did those consumers realize that RAM is almost never the reason why they experience "slowness", but hey, if HP promises me that it will work, it must work!

And now we've reached an interesting point where self-proclaimed "technology guys" parrot the benefits of "lots of RAM" and how "having more free RAM at any given time is better" without actually realizing the error in those words. Pretty interesting, in a way.
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>>62870873
>>62870874
>>62870877
I guess it can... but then there's no room for programs
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>>62870981
See my post here:
>>62870980

I'm going out on a limb by assuming that you aren't being a baiting retard, and are genuinely unaware of how RAM works.

If you want to test this theory, create a windows VM and allocate only 2GB to the machine. Then start opening up programs and see how the RAM utilization fluctuates and changes.
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>>62870980
>At some point in history, PC manufacturers realized they could trick otherwise ignorant consumers to pay more for a computer because it had "more RAM" that their previous, slow computer.
huh? Firefox always grows to >2GiB usage on my laptop with only 4GiB and I always have to kill it because it's making my computer lag like fuck.
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>>62866640
> Still Life

more like stillborn
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>>62866640
Had a gen.2 for years and I must say I'm happy with it. It serves as a portable-yet-capable complement to my desktop.

The shoot themselves on the foot with the pricing tho. The surfaces are well built, but 700-800 minimum is just too much.

The Lenovo miix goes for much less.
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>>62871013
Right, but there is a world of difference between what terribly written desktop applications do to RAM and what the OS itself does to RAM.

You won't find me defending high RAM usage by programs like firefox and otherwise, but that isn't what I was talking about to begin with. Windows is almost never the culprit when it comes to "running out of RAM". You could be using the most trim *nix OS in history, and that still wouldn't stop firefox from being a RAM hog.

Now, if we are saying that 4GB itself isn't enough RAM with modern applications in mind, I might agree. However, most of the original comments were along the lines of "hurrr windows r bad with ram xDD", so I wanted to argue against that point alone.
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>>62870980
I think you are right in that having more RAM doesn't always equate to a faster experience. But when you are using a program that benefits from a large RAM pool, the speed differential can be quite large. Something like Photoshop, for example, will be able to edit larger documents (like 10k by 8k) much faster with 16GB of RAM as opposed to 4GB.
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>>62870980
Says the dude running 16gb of ram...
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>>62866679
The keyboard is actually quite good imo. The fabric is pretty stupid on a non replaceable part though.
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>>62866640
>4 gigs of RAM
This is not a problem.

This is:
>>62866679
>>62870744
Like, what the fuck were they thinking.
I'm betting this is trying to attract aplel audience?
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>>62870807
Even MacBooks are better than this.
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My Thinkpad Netbook can take up to 32 GB of RAM and them rams are not soldered in.
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>>62870873
>Can't use "lol" for tone anymore
Pls go back lol
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>>62871109
Absolutely. I mentioned that here: >>62871085
I completely agree that a lot of modern applications benefit from having more RAM available to them. But once again, "more RAM is bad" was never my original point.

>>62871128
Company machine, didn't have a choice. My home PC has 16GB as well, but I typically have applications open on all 3 monitors, including a few VMs.

>>62871154
I won't argue with you on this, but I think the thinking by MSFT is that this computer is primarily going to be targeted at people and organizations who would just as soon bring their "broken laptop" back to the MSFT store to get "official service" done on it.
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>>62871154
>4 gigs of ram in a 1000$ laptop is not problem
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>>62871246
4 gigs or RAM in any personal computer is not a problem.
Looks like you've fallen for the consumerism meme.
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>>62871317
What if I want to keep Windows10 cancer locked in a VM and use Linux as your main OS? 4GB may NOT be enought.
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>>62870744
jesus christ
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>>62871330
Then, I guess, that's a usecase that's not supported on this machine.
And if it were me then yeah, I'd also say 4 GB is not enough.
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>>62870744
they made it out of some recycled material, it's clearly intended to be a one-time-use disposable, like a paper cup
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>>62871848
It's Alcantara, which is sometimes used for car seats
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Why do manufacturers do this? Saves like 20 dollars, but the appeal of the base model goes way down. I guess they want to make the next model up relevant?
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>>62866640

don't forget they they use Intel "U" series processors, where i5 and i7 "u" series are dual core lol
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>>62872208
Ya know, I used to believe that i7 always meant quad-core.
I was wrong... very very wrong.
It seems like you need to go for the workstation or high-end class (applel's pro line, lelnovo's T4X0p and P/W series, HP's Zbooks, Dell's XPS) in order to get a quad-core
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INFINITE COSMIC POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR

itty bitty RAM
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>Microshit thought this would compete with apple

they are so fucking retarded trying to imitate apple
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>>62871880
"sometimes"
sure, and the rest of the time it's something nice, like leather
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Guys, you don't get it, they aren't wasting RAM by not using that much
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The average user doesn't have need for 4GB of ram. If you need more, the laptop just isn't made for you.
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>>62871085
Bullshit. Windows has always been horrible with ram. It's why osx had multi tasking windows long before windows ever did without using alt+f4
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>>62866681
Fucking kek
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>>62872368
The average user probably is stupid enough to waste $1000 for an average laptop
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>>62866640
Both Windows 10 and macOS Sierra run perfectly fine even on 2GB of RAM. Browsing a few tabs like FaceBook and YouTube and listening to music or having a movie playing, that's 99% of what those laptops are going to be used for. 4GB is double of that.

There's a bunch of people here who unironically take some memes the wrong way and don't know the difference between wired and cached memory.
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>>62872922
I take you'd be willing pay 1000$ for this shitty laptop with 4GB of ram.
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>>62872922
Don't be disingenuous. Even El Capitan runs like shit without 4GB or more.
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>>62868480
stop watching cartoon porn
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>>62872346
Alcantara is usually a higher option than leather though
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>>62870833
>Tfw my ram usage is always 90%ish but my machine runs well
>Tfw most of that usage is cache
>Tfw 4GB is more than enough for a basic machine for web browsing, watching videos, and working in M$ Office, its entire point.
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>>62872207
It's because Windows 10 S would work fine with it
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>>62870744
Unrepairable != Non User Serviceable.

It most certainly can be repaired by trained technicians with the proper equipment. It's not meant to be mucked about inside of by the end user though. If that's something you look for in a laptop, you're not in this machine's target demographic.
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>>62870833
unused RAM is wasted RAM
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>>62866640
Thats why I got it with i7 and 8GB, that's enough for office and study stuff etc.
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>my surface pro 2 had 8gb
>the 4 only has 4
>mine came with a comfy wacom pen
>this comes with a carpet
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>>62866640
That luxurious Alcantara® fabric more than makes up for the lack of RAM.
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>>62872368
They probably do because of bloated the applications that are made for them
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>>62873816
I'm pretty sure neither windows doesn't actually report disk cache as used RAM in task manager
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>>62872922
>Have 4GB DDR3 2.6GHz Core2Duo Mac
>El Capitan and Sierra run like absolute dog shit in original 2GB configuration

They're not a whole lot better with the RAM upgrade either. Probably going to try downgrading to Snow Leopard so it performs like a champ
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>>62872922
>There's a bunch of people here who unironically take some memes the wrong way and don't know the difference between wired and cached memory.
And it's you.
Windows and Unix have different memory reporting. Unix reports both program memory and cache as used, while Windows reports only program memory as used and cache is reported as free memory (and it's further broken down in another graph in the task manager).

While Windows scales to a certain degree with available memory, in my experience it (Win10) uses around 3 GB of memory when 4 GB is total. No, that doesn't include the cache. That means 1 GB can be used by programs (in practice immediately devoured by your browser) and any further allocations are swapped around between RAM and the page file, killing both performance and your SSD.
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>>62873231
Maybe you should try before making dumb posts? I was forced to use Sierra with 2GB of RAM for weeks recently, no real problems for most things.
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>>62873968
I would consider continuous beach balling a real problem.
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>>62873962
Get a Quad with an SSD.
That's what I was >>62873968 using with 2GB of RAM.

>>62873965
>And it's you.
I just told you, wired and cached.
Wired is actually used. Cached is not even considered when measuring memory usage.
Don't know if this was a shitty bait attempt or you just being a unironic dumbass?
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>>62870833
Your OS always uses close to everything for buffering/caching, but this should not show as used memory by programs since your operating system automatically manages this.
For instance I have 4.3G free out of 32G.
What I have open is Firefox with 4 tabs, Steam, Messenger for Desktop, Spotify, a terminal for IRC and GNOME 3.
However 24G of the "used" memory is caches and buffers, so in reality my available ram is 28G, but that huge amount of memory used is not relevant to the end user, so no graphical operating system shows this as the default "used" memory.
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>>62874015
I really don't like Macs enough to bother upgrading. I'm going to keep using this mini until it dies. Then I'll probably buy a chinkpad and go full /g/
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>not buying surface pro with 8 gigs and i7
Shiggy diggy
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>>62874100
>8G in 2017
My 2011 T420 has 16G.
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>>62874129
What a waste.
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>>62874129
T420 looks ugly af tho.
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>>62874165
No, it's a perfect productivity machine. Only thing I miss is an IPS panel, but this generally isn't a problem.
>>62874185
I think it looks good, simple and utilitarian. Looks like a tool, not a toy. But that's besides the point of a computer.
Features are made to increse productivity and utility, not to make it look like a material design website.
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>Microsoft literal fashion accessory fabric laptop for $1,000 comes with 4GB of RAM
>no one really cares too much
>MacBook Pros max out at 16GB due to Intel not supporting 32GB LPDDR on current 45w CPUs
>"LOEL APPLEL"

Retards. Why in the fuck would anyone get this fucking Microshart horseshit over a MacBook Air, costing the exact same with undoubetly better performance? No, the screen being better isn't enough.
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>>62874554
Why would anyone get a Surface laptop when they can get a Surface Book?
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>>62874489
The screen sucks indeed
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>>62874554
The surface laptop is more pathetic than the macbooks, for sure, but nobody cares about the surface laptop, that's why it gets less attention.
Regardless of that they are both shitty machines.
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>>62868464

This.

If you don’t get comped by microsoft, you’re a nobody.
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>>62874554
Have you been reading this thread, m8? Everyone will shit on the surface if given the opportunity but it gets so little attention that making fun of it doesn't cross the minds of most people.
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>>62868464
>Not everybody works at taco bell.
kek
anyone taking this post seriously is either a retard or someone that has been living under a rock this past few weeks
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>>62874100
>not buying a Surface Pro with 32 gigs and a Threadripper
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>>62873876

Apple Watches aren’t repaired, they’re replaced. That’s the future Microsoft, Apple and every other major manufacturer wants. One where it’s cheaper to just give you a new device within warranty than to have to pay and keep technicians around.
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>>62866640
screw snacks.
neat.
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What did he mean by this?
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>>62871317
1000$ you fucking retard. It's twice as expensive as it should be. You can get better hardware than that for less.
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>>62866640
So you can install windows xp on it, it supports touch sreens.
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>>62875082
Why in the fuck would you do that tho?
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>>62870744
Fuck that
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>>62873965
>killing ... your SSD.
Seriously? Swap on SSD is no problem for years already.
I can write 300TB on my 256GB SSD. That's years of swap on SSD and everything else.
Double that if you only ever use half of your SSD.
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>>62873895
lol, you need hyperthreading on that dual core bro? XD
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>>62868464
You could get 16 GB for the same price.
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>>62873965
>le usage kills SSD le
Kill yourself. Unless you're in enterprise, your SSD will likely outlive oyu.
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>>62870833
you can run VMs with less than 1GB ram... only if you enable shell mode only.
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>>62871880
Despite what the manufacturer and MS say it’s total trash that wears out quickly.
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Literally the savior of PC
6 years ago people were saying that PC was dying and would be replaced by IPAD.
http://uncova.com/want-innovation-upgrade-your-pc-not-phone-says-hp-cnet
>What do you think about the Surface line and Microsoft's aggressive push to compete with you directly? Coughlin: I was in the room when [former Microsoft CEO] Steve Ballmer asked me, "Are you going to spend $500 million to create a Windows tablet category?" The answer was we don't have those kind of dollars. They went and created that category, and guess what? Our Spectre X2 is now scaling wonderfully. They created a detachable Windows category when it was all Apple's market. Their role is to be the tip of the spear. Are there times where we might be competitive? Sure. But take their latest laptop with Windows S [an operating system version geared for schools, where Google's Chrome OS is also big]. Microsoft is trying to make sure they create a premium halo for Windows S. Is there enough market today there for us to spend our precious R&D resources? No. But they're doing it, and if there's a market there, then we participate.
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>>62876786
Exactly. these things are going to get worn out and shitty, while memepads will survive forever
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>>62876261
>>>/9fag/
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>>62866640
You can't see beyond 4 GB ram anyway.
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>>62872368
1. open atom
2. open slack
congratulations you are now thrashing
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>>62879070
No.
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>>62866681
put me in the screencap
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>>62873695
show me
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>>62876906
>[former Microsoft CEO] Steve Ballmer
wait, who's the CEO now?
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>>62874693
Windows 7 ballmer edition COMPED!
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>>62881003
Literally a Pajeet
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satya_Nadella
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>>62881019
comped?
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>>62881035
for free
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>>62870744
I'm honestly surprised Apple didn't try this first.
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>>62881041
i don't know what you're trying to say
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>>62866640
>8GB ram
>i5 7200U
>Samsung NVME SSD
>extra m.2 slot for second SSD
>saphire glass 1080p screen
>MX150
>can be opened without ruining it
>$747
Chinks win again
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>>62881058
when MS released 7 they gave a lot of us on /g/ free copies of windows 7 called ultimate ballmer edition
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>>62866640
Even the lowest tier pixelbook has 8GB of RAM...
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>>62866640
It's designed mainly for business people just fucking with QuickBooks, outlook and other applications that aren't that ram intensive. 4GB is minimum for a Win 10 machine but it will work perfectly fine.
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>>62881273
it wont. it will abuse the page file.

t. someone who used windows 10 with 4gb of ram
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>>62872284
yeah but even then the quad cores are undervolted to compensate so it's just another trade off.
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>>62881403
were they always like that? I'm currently on an laptop quad core from the ivybridge gen.
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>microshit fills all of my memory
>start up application
>memory is freed so it can be loaded
>page file thrashes
I've been having serious issues lately with memory utilization shooting up to 99% during basic fucking filesystem operations. It shits everything up with page file thrashing so badly that it's better to just restart the system.
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>>62881462
add more ram if you can. I added 4gb and it runs much better
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>>62881478
I have 8gb of ram and a 8gb page file.
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>>62866681
Calling bullshit. I dualboot Windows Server 2016 and I need to have 2 GiB of paging to not get alerted that I have ran out of physical memory.
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>>62866640
>MS follows cuckbook formula but somehow offers even less value for the money
Amazing.
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>bought a $300 desktop from some high school faggot 2-3 years ago
>has 8 gig RAM
>still using it

people are idiots
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>>62876906
>6 years ago people were saying that PC was dying and would be replaced by IPAD.
Yeah like two deluded columnists and their orbitals/shills who don't understand how to properly interpret trends. Microshit trash hasn't saved dick, Paj, it's just there.
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>>62870841
nothing wrong with VLC
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>>62881767
Are you fucking stupid?
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>buying RAM only for it to go unused
you GNU-males never cease to amaze me
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>That image




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