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Is PC Gamer literally faking benchmarks? There is absolutely NO way an i5-8400 can get that close to an i7-8700K in gaymen. Their fake as fuck benchmarks even show the i5 matching the i7, but that is impossible, not even the 8600K can do that.

Why is no one talking about this? I'm not shilling the website, if anything, I'm calling them out on their bullshit.
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its like the russian swimmers of cpu benchmarking.
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>>62872933
Yes, we all know ryzen sucks ass
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>>62872933
Yes. All benchmarks which show Ryzen to be slower than Coffee Lake were paid for by Intel. It's a massive conspiracy against AMD that extends across the entire tech industry. Only us true believers who actually own Ryzen CPUs know that it destroys any Intel product.
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>average gaming
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>>62872980
>>62873007
I wasn't fucking talking about Ryzen, I said that the 8400 can't possibly can't get that close to the flagship i7. I've seen many benchmarks that show the 8600K JUST managing to beat the 7700K.
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whats up with the 2.8ghz base clock?
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>>62872980
>>62873007

Literal retards.
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>>62872933
Nah its just a good cpu. Cant blame multicore enhancememt being on either because it doesnt do anything on locked cpus
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>>62873035
Here's their minimums
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>>62872933
You're just a small town shill, living in a lonely world
(You) took the midnight train going anywhere
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>>62873116
WHO exactly am I shilling? Nice bait
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>>62873060
Every review I've seen has had the 8400 around equal with the 7700K. Keep in mind that the 8600K's boost clock isn't much higher out of the box than the 8400's, despite the hugely higher base clock. The 8400 sits at 3.8GHz with all cores loaded fully, which they aren't always going to be in gaming, resulting in fluctuations from 3.8-4GHz. The 8600K's single core boost is only 4.3GHz, so even lower with all cores loaded. There should be practically no difference between them out of the box.
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>>62873060/264
Show me an encoding bench. Ffmpeg or 264, dosent matter.
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>>62873150
I wasn't even talking about productivity, if you can't see, the benchmark is about games. Why is everyone here retarded
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>>62873167
Oh I'm sorry I asked about something other than some cherry game bench maybe /V/ is more your style?
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>I'm not shilling the website
>I'm calling them out on their bullshit.
and out of all places you chose /g/ to do that
you didn't think this through op, did you?
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AFAIK it's Intel's HT being retarded. Somebody should make a comparison of 8400 and 8700k without HT in games where 8400 was surprisingly good.
>>62872980 >>62873007
Niggers
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>>62873007

How is the OP related to Ryzen you retarded spastic?
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>>62872933
i5 has always been great for gaming, only retards pay the i7 premium for gaymen
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is there a graph which shows how the cpu boosting works?
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>>62873222
>quad core i5s
>good for anything
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>>62873254
You have all of these saved? How many gibs of these do you have? Let's see your folders. This is fucking hilarious.
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>>62872933
>i5-8400 OC
Wait, what? How do you overclock a locked CPU?
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>>62873325
In the article they said they locked the base clock up to 3.8ghz and called it "oc"
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>>62873325
>There are a few things you'll need to know before running out and buying a Core i5-8400. First, Intel is serious about locking down the clockspeed. I tried adjusting the BCLCK in the BIOS to see if I couldn't squeeze a few more percent out of the chip. Nope—nada! Any setting other than 'auto' or 100MHz failed to POST. But you're not completely blocked from improving performance, as you can raise the uncore clock from the default 2.8GHz to 4.0GHz and it did appear to improve performance a few percent.
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>>62872933
>Is PC Gamer literally faking benchmarks?

yes
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>>62872933
It's a hexacore you dumbass
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>>62873405
All of the 3 CPU's I've mentioned are hexacore. What's your point? The i7 would still be miles ahead, but those benchmarks are shady as fuck.
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>>62873432
>The i7 would still be miles ahead

Based on what? Your say-so? Post some alternative benchmarks which show the 8700K "miles ahead" if you're claiming those ones are fake. Burden of proof is on you, pal.
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>>62872980
>>62873007
>>62873116

So OP asks about i5-8400 vs i7-8700K and pajeet fags who can't read cut and paste Intel shilling shadow marketing material. That's interesting and both sad and funny.
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>>62873450
My say-so? Here's an example. Fake as fuck shit on the left, legit shit on the right.
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>>62873488
Whew 8700k came out and cue the amdrones into full shill mode. There's no reason to buy ryzen anymore.
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>>62873554
...which is not the point of this thread
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>>62872933
>all thoses Ryzen's on the bottom
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>>62872933
wasnt pcgamer that invented the term fps per dollar for cpu when ryzen came out?

LOL
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>>62872933
almost every set of marks I've seen shows 1600x and 1800x rival i7 7700 at OC. I have no idea how this mark is so far off
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>>62873089
All the ones with 1700x above 1600x are fake as fuck. For whatever reason the 16 edges over it in almost every category
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>>62873569
Cmon, Op show us your shill benchmark folder, I need a laugh
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>>62873670
op here. I'm not the >>62873569 guy so you fucked up
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>>62872933
intel just sent them 8700k without disabled OC and disable HT, thats it.

Real 8400 will be around 20-25% slower.
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>>62873060
>I said that the 8400 can't possibly can't get that close to the flagship i7.
And you were wrong. Now that i5s have 6 cores, we're back to i7s being waste of money if gaming is all you care about.
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>>62873498
>10% extra performance for 100% more money
>in one game
>a game that's always benefited from higher clocks more than most

Is posting Far Cry: Primal numbers your next trick?

What you need to do is post at least ten more examples, so that your evidence has as much weight as the other charts, which are averages across a suite of games, rather than cherrypicked horse shit.
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>>62873699
MCE doesnt effect locked cpus, dipshit. All the 8400 numbers are correct.
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>>62873706
8400 really is just a poorly binned 8700k with 3mb of l3 cache and hyperthreading disabled
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>>62873712
no one FUCKING KNOWS cause NO ONE re did the tests
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I don't get why they even bothered putting an APU on it
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>>62873708
Regardless, if you think I'm gonna go and save benchmark pictures just for you you fucked up. I've already seen other benchmarks from different sources and the 8400 just can't keep up. Feel free to believe what you wanna believe.
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>>62873712
ye it doesm motherboard controls them amount of booost cpu can get, maximum being 4.0 ghz on all cores, while minimum 2.8 on all cores, literally they will pack complety rejects that will have trouble reaching 3.5ghz in 8400, all the best cpu's goes to to 8700k>8700>8600k>8400.
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>>62873728
MCE is not new tou fucktard. Haswell and afterward have not allowed locked cpus to use MCE, before that it did work. Educate yourself before shitting up the board next time
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>>62873751
>>62873771
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>>62873771
shit anon its not like intel cant do the same just for the sake of benchmarks right? RIGHT?
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>>62873791
>conspiracy
This is the current state of cryzen. I have the 8400, it performas as advertised with a fucking stock cooler
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>>62872933
>Why is no one talking about this?
I imagine most of i7 owners are already cremated so you shouldn't expect any outrage from them.
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>>62873808
can you post benchmarks please
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>>62873808
remind me again why did intel paid the fine to amd?
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>>62873780
>intel shill
i can guaranty you that 8400 on shitty ass cheap mobos wont perform anywhere near 8600 or 8700 level, intel sends them 8700k with disabled ht and oc, mask it 8400, releases only z chipset, so only premium mobos are released, all the the intelbabies rejoice and start buying up all the trash that 8400 will be
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>>62873808
Why did you think pairing a non-K CPU with a Z370 was a good idea? Don't want to criticize, I'm sure you've got your reasons, I'm just curious.
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>>62873683
Western civilization is ending and all you are doing is arguing over 5fps
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>>62873841
Why do you think? Or are you as ignorant as you sound to the current situation with intel mobos?
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>>62873841
My guess is he didn't want to wait for cheaper boards
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>>62873833
>>62873833
MCE has been disabled on locked intel cpus since haswell. So you are still wrong. Google it.
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>>62873855
I perfectly know that the Z370 mobos are the only ones available, but couldn't you wait for B360? Or get a K processor?
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>>62873808
>he fell for the 16gb meme
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>>62873872
fuck off intel shill
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>>62873880
My motherboard is fucked up and has bad stutter and i had already waited months. 120 for that mobo is not a bad deal and i dont like cheap mobos. Im still going to oc my ram and gpu. I dont like overclocking cpus because its expensive and very time consuming, so i was glad to save my money.
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>>62873891
Cryzen fans everyone. Ignore facts and promote conspiracy to justify a bad purchase
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>>62873888
You actually need 16gb of ram to do java development lol
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>>62873928
Ok then
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>>62873937
>>62873937
you fucking retard my cpu oc's to 4.2ghz on all cores, and is extremely cool, you are fucking crazy if you think im justifying anything.
You are just playing right into jews hands
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>>62873960
>muh jews
Cool go find a ryzen thread to post in if you are so secure about it. This is an intel thread
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>>62874037
Try being a java dev on 8gb of ram lol its terrible
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>>62873960
>4.2
Lol ok
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>>62872933
>intel shilling subsidiaries fake benchmarks
no shit
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>>62873488
Says the AMDrone reposting the same 3 memes and questioning all benchmarks because their shit-tier processors are only good at live streaming Dota.
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>>62873960
With 1 core enabled?
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>>62872933
is this the housefire central?
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>>62874812
Actually they suck at streaming dota as we
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>>62872933
>>62873498
It's not fake you brainlet

Most games use 6 threads max.
So the i5-8400 gets perfectly utilized.

The same thing happens on games that use 4 Cores, if you disable HT on the 7700K you get more FPS. Good example would be CSGO.

RotTR is an exception and uses as many threads as it can, especially on DX12.
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I am not a gamer, I don't even own a desktop but I'm sick of seeing gaming benchmarks from both sides, they're so fucking dumb. The outcomes change based on hundreds of small variables and not to mention the fact that game devs can literally just choose what GPU/CPU they want to make their games run best on.

The gaming industry is one massive fucking kikefest. If you want to pit two CPUs/GPUs against each other the only thing that is more or less consistent and reliable is synthetic benchmarks. What game devs choose to do with their code is nothing you can control, even if your GTX 2090 TTi is super powerful they could make it more suited for AMD cards, or whatever. Gaming on desktop is fucking dumb.
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>>62872980
When my i7-4790k kicks the bucket, I'm buying AMD again since Intel wastes the money I give them on little faggots like you. Shouldn't have to knock the lid off of everything I get from them to get reasonable temps, and I shouldn't need a new socket every two months if I want a new CPU.

Hell, Intel can't even keep composure when another company competes. Coffee lake chips could brew coffee during a benchmark.
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>>62875967
How can amd even compete?
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>>62874893
>>62875967
>continues to not answer the question and shill
amazing
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>>62876011
>>62875967 here

What am I shilling for?
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>>62876027
>heres a 3 year old game made by non-whites, and cant multithread intel does better AMD BTFO

gee my bad your just a impartial """""(((consumer)))"""""""" on /g/
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>intelfags are retards

>>62872980
stupid
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>>62876091
fucking hell dude, did they find her head?
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>>62876091
Girl from highschool died like this by hanging out the window. Head hit a mailbox
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>>62876336
lol
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>>62873086
It locks the CPU at max turbo you knob.
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>>62877062
Mce has been disabled on locked cpus since haswell. Google it, scrub. Mce has been around for over 5 years
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>>62876065
fuck off to /pol/ retard
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Need a Python programmer to help with this exercise
1. Read an integer number from the console, store the result in a variable n
2. Read ‘n’ integers from the console and store them in a list
3. Sort the list in reverse order – from highest to lowest
4. Loop over the elements in the list and print them each on their own line to the console

Inputs: 1 number n – number of integers to read, list of integers
Outputs: n integers, one per line, sorted from highest to lowest.
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>>62873708
>cherrypicked horse shit.
Like Metro LL? I wonder if it's the same guy that always posts the GN Metro benchmarks, since it shows the i5's getting significantly lower minimums than i7's, despite it pretty much being the only game he tests that shows that. It's just like how whenever someone asks for evidence of Intel stuttering, someone posts GTA V, even though that's a well-known bug having to do with high refresh rates.
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>>62877135

you're the retard. because he's not wrong.
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>>62877062
Max turbo on 8400 is 4.0, yet, all core turbo on 8400 is 3.8. that's not MCE. If you want to argue Intel is conspiring to send reviewers well-binned 8400's, that's your right, but MCE is not the culprit.
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>>62877190
Hmm
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>>62873007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O98qP-FsIWo
Actually yes
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>>62877298
>ahead of the i7
seems legit
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>>62877298
>8400
>3.8 all cores
>8700K
>4.3 all cores
>8400 is higher than 8700K
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>>62877511

DELID DIS
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>>62877359
Hyper threading is known to lower the FPS in some cases.
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>>62877600
>its a feature
this is some macfag levels of denial, people like you made intel a laughing stock
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>>62872980
>>62873007
kek, this triggers the ayyymdrones
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>>62873325
Motherboards have a feature known as multicore enhancement that can lock cores at their maximum turbo speed

Hence why the i5-8400 is scoring so well, on a Z370 with decent cooling it'll be clocked at 3.8GHz all the time. Good luck doing that on a B/H series motherboard with the stock cooler.
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>>62872933
Basically it means that if there are some games in which AMD is bad then games which it is better in would matter less. That's the mathematical sense of geometrical mean.
>>62877359
>there is literally no reason for program to be bottlenecked by HT
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/gaming-benchmarks-core-i7-6700k-hyperthreading-test.219417/
People disable HT for a reason, faggit. It does not make CPU less performant (remember Ryzen SMT problems which got fixed), it does make sheduling more complex.
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>>62877768
Locked cpus have no been able to use mce since haswell, stop spreading lies
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>>62874893
>A quad core CPU vs a 6 core CPU
That entire benchmark is retarded
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>>62877675
Ok fine. Now compare "Local/SMT Off" and "Local/SMT" on these graphs:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-game-performance,5207-4.html (and further)
and explain that.
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>>62877956
it has 16 cores so load balancing isnt an issue to begin with, now turn off hyperthreading on a dual core and see what happens
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should i upgrade my i5 6500 to i5 8400 for 1080p gaming?
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>>62878009
no
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>>62877768
Stop spreading FUD, the 8400 doesn't use MCE, its max turbo is 4GHz and all core turbo is 3.8GHz.
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>>62877791
They're the same price so it was a valid comparison. Also you have to emphasize it's 4C/8T vs. 6C/6T, so it's kind of a mixed bag as some applications like the 8 threads more and some like the 6 cores more.
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>>62877511
Its so obvious
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>>62877788
Even if HT did cause minor loss in performance, it doesn't make up for the fact that the 8700K is 500MHz faster. I remember seeing Skylake benchmarks where the 6700K was slightly worse than the 6600K, it was never a dramatic difference though.
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Just keep cherry picking. Here is a game that favors Intel. 10 fps at the resolution I use. Looks pretty meh to me.
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And one that favors AMD. Guru3D stated they had MCE disabled BTW as it should be. That 1 fps.
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>>62873007
Actually, the more I read this post the less it sounds like he is being sarcastic.
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>>62872980
>>62873007
Christ this board is a shithole.
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>>62874955

Complete wrong, the majority of games are still using single or dual-threads at most. A small number may use three or four threads but nothing beyond that.

Six-core CPUs or greater are only good if you want to do CPU streaming or multi-task on top of a gaming session.

i5-8400 is Intel's equivalent to R5 1600. They are meant to be workhorses on a tight budget. If you are a /v/tard then you are going to be better mileage out of i3-8350K for similar price point.
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Games don't make good CPU benchmarks. It baffles me that they're posted so often.
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>>62880522
Hmmmm its almost if most people are buying high end cpus to play games with them. Nah, what am i saying.
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>>62880522
Games are one of the few reasons to buy a desktop over a laptop. If it's not playing games, it's streaming games or editing videos about games.
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>>62872933
Games are being pushed to a hard limit, either gpu wise, engine wise, or cpu.

the 8400 can hit 4ghz if it maintains it is another thing
the 8700k can hit 4.7, but when not forced to hit 4.7 how often will it really hit that when hammered? the all core turbo there is what 4.2 or 4.3?

if anything this shows how much you shouldn't trust turbo to really help you.
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>>62880887
8400 will never hit 4ghz on anything mutlithreaded. It will hit 3.8ghz and gladly stay there. 8400 is only a 1.222v max chip, its like it gets choked up trying to push that low voltage
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>>62872933
far cry primal, fallout 4, on amd systems with no specs listed, those two are the big one that drag amd down disproportionately.

granted in the cpu performance benchmark, amd is above most of intel, and the only intel chips higher than amd are ones you would expect to be.
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>>62880997
Ryzen is good at 7zip and video editing. Things most users dont give a shit about.
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>>62881054
and by that the average user doesn't give a shit about games either, they care about using the computer for cheap.

amd has at entry a 110$ cpu, intel has this at 120$
next up on the rung is amds 4 core 8 thread for 170$ which intel only has an overclockable 4 core, pretty much a throwaway processor considering its cost
next up is amds 6/12 for 220$, intel has under that at 180 and over at 260
the next rung up is amds 8 core 16 thread for 330, and intel is both under at 300 and over at 360

next is the motherboards,
amd can be had at 50$ here but the first non gimped board is 70$

intel is 120$ here

ram is a wash, intel and amd are effectively the same outside of gaming here.

on the cpus, these are msrps, realistically everything is lower on amds side and higher on intels.

the average user, both these systems perform the same, however amd costs less than intel.
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>>62880997
I literally tried everything to get FO4 running smoothly on Ryzen. Fucking Bethesda and their garbage engine. Tried disabling SMT, disabling cores, my RAM is at 2666MHz, CPU is at 3.95GHz, yet I still get framerate drops at 1440p. My GTX 1080 just sits there jerking off half the time in Boston, I'll get 30% CPU usage, 50% GPU usage, and framerate drops in the high 40's/low 50's. It's not just Godrays or shadows, even on the lowest settings it's only like 100fps in the city.
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>>62881486
>100fps
there is your problem. its not meant to run above 60fps
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>>62881496
I know about the physics bugs over 60fps, I was complaining about the difference between lowest and highest settings. Boston gets framerate drops regardless of settings, it's simply not using either the CPU or GPU to their fullest extent.
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>>62880794
Video encoding is a far cry from playing games.
>>62880764
Yeah, look at the huge differences of 5-10 FPS.
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>>62881523
have you tried graphics mods? the engine renders every shadow in a radius even if its not visible
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>>62873808
>he bought a Z370 board for a locked i5

You're a literal retard and should stop posting.
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>>62872933
>average gaming
One broken on AMD game will ruin the whole thing. Watch results separately for every game.
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almost 2018 ... and still 1080p

stupid motherfuckers .,.

rzyen 1700/x is the best for the bucks
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>>62882930
That statement goes both ways, if they include outliers like dirt 4 or forza that favor AMD it will also skew the results.

Except I wouldn't call those games 'broken' and just acknowledge that some games favor one architecture over the other
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>>62882980
>implying you game at 4k
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>>62883019

implying you can't play every contemporary shit there is in 1080p with an i5 2500 from almost 7 years ago
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>searching for reviews of XXX CPU on jewtube
>found the video
>reviewing an engineering sample unit
>close tab

Who ever makes a review of a product based on engineering sample should wrist themselves.
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>>62883059

that and expensive z370 boards for locked i5's ... pure autism
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Something is clearly fucked, since 8400 has the same IPC and very similar clocks to 1600x.

Intel optimized software?
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>>62883035
You can, but you will get shit framerates
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>>62883129

> shit framerates

lol - 100 fps average if it isn't gpu bottle necked ...
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>2017
>gaming at 1080p
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>>62872933
first thing off the top of my head is seeing the 1800x, i7-5930k, i7-6950x, and i7-7820x all coming within the same performance as a 7600k.

let alone the threadripper 1950x coming below the 1800x when its literally a 1800x with 8 more cores. it should be matching it or surpassing it since it uses quad channel ram and ryzen loves ram.

yeah i'ma call bullshit on their scores.
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>>62883170
>stock 3570k beating a stock 2600k
ivy bridge was genuinely sandy bridge with 100mhz increase in stock clock and 3% increase in ipc. no way in hell would a 3570k beat a 2600k with both at stock.
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Just passing by to say that I just bought a R5 1500 for my son, paired with a 1060 3gb. He plays mine craft, agario and roblox. The guy at the store tried to convince me to get a i5 7400 build, because it was "better for games". Luckily, I know what's up and not only got the best chip, but also saved some monies. :^)

Remember, kids: intel has the (((man))) inside. That's more important than any benchmark.
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>>62872933
It's more likely that their diversity hires doesn't know what a benchmark is, let alone how to make a proper one.
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>>62877511
>3.8 all cores
>4.3 all cores
Nobody guarantees you any of that
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>>62883257
It depends on the load you dummy
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>>62880492
>In b4 a bunch of posts going "nuh uh" because of some poorly optimized rts games
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>>62878286
>>62878329
>GPU bottlenecked this fuckin hard
Uhh anon, you can't really compare performance with deltas that small.
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>>62883193

that was my argument ... ANY 1080p bench in 2018 is pointless to bench multicore CPU's
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>>62877305
Pretty sure it's supposed to be "Pasta La Vista"
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>>62881740
Im not poor like you bro i can afford the extra 40 dollars for a nicer mobo
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>>62883528
It's not, it shows the relative performance of both cpu's. Bottlenecks that occur on 1080p now might occur on 1440p in the future as they are paired with more powerful gpu's
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>>62883528
Retarded
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>>62873488
You can spout your memes as often as you want, it doesn't change the fact that only pajeets use AMD in the first place
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>>62883419
Not everyone will be playing at 720p and there will be a steady transition from 1080 to 1440p and 4K (although we are some ways off 144Hz @ 4K).

I look forwards not backwards.
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>>62873670
Cryzen owners havent even heen posting any benchmarks other than civ 5 and gpu bottlenecked 4k benches. It's sad honestly that amd cant even beat the 8400 in more than one game
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How do we solve the /v/ problem?
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>>62885742
Well /v/ does tell anyone posting asking about computer parts on their board to come to /g/. That's a problem but i have no solution
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>>62885716
Nah, they don't pay any shills to compete for gaymen.
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>>62886016
Its funny you guys thing amd actually has the capital to fund an army of paid internet shills
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>>62877145
please, anyone willing to do the needful?
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>>62886176
>thing
Intel doesn't have much R&D budget because they blow it all on ads, shills, and company bribes.
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>>62886254
>>62886254
>pointing out typo
>but but intel!!!
Fuck yourself
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>>62873007
$400 cpu cannot even into 1080p
Top fucking kek
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>>62886476
>quote twice
>only has a basic insult left
I win
gg




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