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What was the point of Ryzen?
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to make intel 6 cores mainstream
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>720p
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>niggerfield
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>>62879693
Oh, you think higher resolutions are your ally?

>tfw Poozen bottlenecks even today's graphics cards, let alone upcoming ones

Truly a long-term investment!
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>>62879658
Why are all the Intel benchmarks posted recently GAMES? Why don't people want to escape the confines of the virtual world?
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>>62879758
You really dont want to go there, m8
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>>62879658
>720P
>ULTRA
Sort of making the test invalid there...
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>>62879728
2005 called, they want their resolution back
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>>62879728
>1080p is "high resolution"
>>>/v/
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>>62879658
To wreck CPUs that cost 2 to 4 times as much and force Intel to stop rebranding shit and come up with something new.
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>>62879728
>>62879658
>be Intel
>release i5 8400 chip that outperforms its highlight of the 8700k
>fuck itself in the ass by fucking up its 7th Gen. and even the highest of its 8th Gen in gaymen

Brilliant, plus
>people cucking themselves to high priced MOBOs for a locked CPU
ayy lmao

P.S: Covfefe Lake was supposed to compete with Ryzen+ but Intel was scared and released it with a half ass launch
Nice bait OP
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>>62879836
making sure it's not gpu-bound, duh
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>>62879859
>people cucking themselves to high priced MOBOs for a locked CPU
this is the highlight of intel's new launch
a third new mobo design in three fucking years
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>>62879838
>overclocked Poozen still slower than stock Intel even at 4K

How does it manage to be so shit?
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>>62879864
>Ultra settings
>Making sure it's not GPU bound
Making the test invalid.
720P/Low or it's not a useful test at all.
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>>62879852
Oh my sides
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>>62879879
Are you retarded? There's a 200fps cap and the 8700K is hitting it even on ultra. Turning settings down wouldn't do a goddamn thing.
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>>62879879
some settings impact both gpu and cpu, draw distance especially
plus it's a lot more definitive to just set everything to ultra and use a set resolution
>b-b-but with x setting set to y, I edged out the other cpu by 1fps!
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>>62879912
>It's OK If I half-arse the test, because it gives me the results I want to see anyway!
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>>62879728
Nvidia drivers are shit, you say?
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>>62879888
>thanks to AMD Intel now has to put 6 cores into mainstream processors
Exactly as planned.
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I'm so happy even mid tier cpus can reach 30fps minimum nowadays. Back in 2001 the best processor and vidya card that you could (reasonably) buy couldn't make GTA3 reach 15 fps.
People really want to get angry at shit I guess
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>>62879658
If it weren't for Ryzen, the 8700k would've just been a 7700k with a 100MHz clock bump, on a new socket.

You can thank AMD for finally forcing Intel to have more than just 4 cores.
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>>62879888
>Oh my sides
This kind of fanboying is the reason why we were stuck at four cores for the past decade.
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>>62880047
CF were 6 core parts before ryzen. Intel just moved the release date.
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>>62879728
>1080p
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>>62880067
>intel had better cpus available but didn't want to release them for another 5 years because they cou;d still milk the market with small clock bumps
How is that an argument?
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>>62880056
Yeah, it's totally my fault. If your rampant fanboyism didnt compel you to buy AMD when they were shit, all we would have is Intel now. Happy, fanboi?
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>>62880067
>>62880086
Intel has actually had 6core Skylake parts (not Skylake-E) taped out but never put them into mass production.
Not sure if Kaby Lake also had a 6c part taped out, it wouldn't surprise me though.
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>>62880047
I guess that'll be Ryzen's footnote in history. Thanks AMD, but you can go home now.
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>>62879838
>GPU limited CPU benchmarks
>CPU limited GPU benchmarks
It's the AMD way!
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>>62880131
Until Zen2 anyway.
Intel has no ace up their sleeve until 10nm++ (which is at least 2 years after 1st gen 10nm)
1st Gen 10nm will clock worse than 14nm+/14nm++ as per Intel's financial day.
10nm+ will clock as high 14nm++ but unlikely to go any higher.
10nm++ /should/ be good for 6ghz.

AMD has 5ghz Base clocks in late 1028/early 2019...
Even if we assume AMD doesn't have an IPC increases (they will, Zen is very immature) it's looking grim for Intel after Coffee Lake.

Hopefully this causes Intel to finally tell the Hafia team they aren't as hot shit as they thought and will hold internal competitions again.
PLANO WILL RISE AGAIN, FUCK YOU HAFIA.
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>>62880175
>Intel's financial day
I sthat when they showed off an ARM Cortex-A75 CPU cores implemented with industry standard design flows enabling performance in excess of 3 GHz?
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>>62879658
What RAM is that 1800X running with, 2133 MHz?
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>>62879824
>>62879888
>>62880120
>>62880206
Oh good, a faux-tripfag Intel shill. Get an actual trip so you can be filtered like the other vermin.
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>>62879658
What was the point of cofveve lake if nobody can actually fucking buy it?
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>$400 processor
>$700 GPU
>720p
This is the state of Intel.
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>>62880174
>CPU limited GPU benchmarks
Actually AMD GPU's tend to perform better when the CPU isn't an issue. At higher resolutions the gap between Nvidia and AMD always closes, this is probably because of AMD's shitty drivers. 4k gives the Fury X and vega more room to stretch their legs.
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>>62880357
Its called namefagging you gigantic noob.
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I don't get it.
Some time after the 1700 came out many people saw that it was a couple of frames lower than the 7700k OC in 'gayms'.
Why is Ryzen now like BELOW i5 levels?
(Yes I know that this site is full misleading graphs and benchmarks but still).
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>>62879758
maybe when the real world doesn't suck so much dick... but it does.
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>>62879658
>What was the point of Ryzen?
Its the same more cores shit they did with the FX series when they couldn't compete.

Release a beast of a processor that isn't actually as good but looks better on paper in specific benchmarks.

They do the same shit with radeon.
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>>62880434
>AMD's shitty drivers
https://pastebin.com/dTmpuZPs
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>>62880227
nah, amd had a fairly hard limit at around that fps, intel able to clock higher gets the performance nod there, but its at a resolution no one would play the game at on said hardware.
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>>62880519
Then explain why Nvidia tends to scale linearly with resolution and AMD performs better at higher resolutions with more GPU-bound scenarios? Why does Nvidia run better with shitty CPU's than AMD?
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>>62880614
>Why does Nvidia run better with shitty CPU's than AMD?
Why does AMD run better with less RAM than Nvidia? Graphics drivers are an absolute clusterfuck and they're all shit.
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>>62880489
Hi pissphone.
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>>62880489
The absolute state of Intel fanboys
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>>62880614

because they pay game devs to optimize for their cards, its literally a known fact
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>>62879658
>>62879728
Wait someone unironically benches BF1 in singleplayer WHILE using their shoddy DX12 implementation?
What?
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>>62879658
if only skylake/kabylake mobos were compatible with coffeelake cpus..
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the point is its mobos are cheap as fuck for poorfags.
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>>62881219
Intel have gone full 180 from the good days.
We used to get Overdrive CPUs, so we could have the latest processors on older platforms.

Now you have to buy a new platform to get the same processors!
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Why do Intel users always play games at 720P? Did spending all the money on CPU end up leaving too little for an average monitor?
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>>62881352
ya know once the gpus catch back up with cpu the intels will win over the ryzens
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>>62881365
Except you don't know that. That would require stagnation in software without stagnation in hardware. Do you have evidence that there will be stagnation in software without a corresponding stagnation in hardware?
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>>62881440
look how long developers have stuck with dx11. they aren't all going to do dx12 vulcan multithreaded games just to appease AMD
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>>62881470
They will move to Vulkan once actually half-decent finished implementations will land in most major engines.
You seem to forget that DX11 is 8 years old.
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>>62881470
I'm not talking about that you tech illiterate muppet. I'm telling you that unless you run your shit at low, DX11 isn't gonna save you. Even with future cards you will not be able to run 200 FPS + on modern games. Only old games. Even if the modern games are DX11. And MS is pushing DX12 hard with Xbox, so in the future you have little to look forward to beside Windows store exclusives and indie pixel shit that runs on potato.
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>>62879658
>720p
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>>62881500
go relieve yourself in the street pajeet you seem very stressed.
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Should I wait for Volta?
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>>62879728
>1080p
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>>62881518
It's bigger dies.
You.can buy 471mm^2 one from NVidia already.
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>>62881103
Actually they don't 'pay' them either.
nVidia started this in ~00, They built out a massive space with hundreds of PCs, with all sorts of configurations, from every CPU and GPU vendor that was selling products at the time.
They made this space available to games developers to test their software against every conceivable configuration they wanted, without having to buy crazy amounts of hardware - for the low price of putting an nVidia logo in the game intro.

Over time, as nVidia started to grow, that evolved into nVidia paid developers actually helping out game developers with optimization of their software and other nVidia developers using that knowledge to make sure their drivers patched out anything that was an 'inefficient' use of resources.
Again all for the low cost of putting their logo on the game intro.

nVidia today, still doesn't pay a dime for any of this - they still provide those same services and still only require their logo be put places (although sometimes it's also on literature and art now too, not just the game intro)
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>>62881518
What do you have now?
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>>62879658
Betatest for Threadripper & Epyc.
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You can't buy them anywhere.
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>>62881584
You can buy the 4c/4t i3's in Australia
No 6c/*t i5/i7's though.
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>>62879658
On a world without the Ryzen, the top Intel CPU would have 130 fps, but a better igpu.
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>>62881568
>that evolved into nVidia paid developers actually helping out game developers with optimization of their software and other nVidia developers using that knowledge to make sure their drivers patched out anything that was an 'inefficient' use of resources.

read as helping out devs to insert gameworks into the render path and add fucktons of tesselation on concrete barriers and invisible water rendered underneath level geometry
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>>62879658
gaymers need to off themselves ffs
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You can see it is always the same person who writes poozen.
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>>62879658

I hope your pig fucking aids infested whore mother becomes paralyzed in a car crash you degenerate /v/ermin.
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>>62879658
It was the king for 3 months. And it put a fire under Intels arse. The only reason you got the "6700K version 3 now featuring a bonus 2 cores, you can thank us later. It was our original idea to ad more cores." was because AMD finally got their act together.

Fuck off.
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Remember: most of /g/ and /g/ are poorfaghs running ancient i5 and i3 machines who only shitpost about high performance hardware they will never buy.

."w-w-when I buy that i7 i've been saying I will for years AMD w-w-will suck! Master race wins again!"

Funnily enough this is also why /v/ and /g/ do not discuss the HEDT parts because they are waaaaay out of budget and particularly now it is rather hard to justify Intel in that space.
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>>62881885
in a way it reminds me of the late 90s/early 00s when intel and amd were frogleaping each other every few months.
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>>62879658
to force Intel to stop selling Quad-cores for mid-range desktops.
And it succeeded, it took ages for Intel to properly respond.
Then Zen 2 is going to fuck them over again.
This is good for everyone.
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>>62879658
>rypoo
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>>62879658
this 720p meme needs to end.
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>>62882043
>ryzen winning at higher resolutions
>8700k losing to itself because throttling on overclocks
kek
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>>62882049
720p?
what do you need 480p for?
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>>62879658
>>62879728
>>62879838
>>62879959
>>62882043

Let me help you.
>>>/v/
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>>62879658
Fighting the good fight
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>>62882711
>"""""winning""""" by a margin-of-error 1fps in a GPU-bound scenario

The STATE of Rypoos.
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>>62879658

>>Using video game benchmarks that have more to do with GPU bottlenecking than a CPU's performance.
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>>62882754
240i is how REAL gamers play.
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>>62882882
>being a tech-illiterate retard

Good luck trying to explain why a Coffee Lake CPU can achieve an extra 70fps with the same graphics card if Poozen is "bottlenecked" by it.
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>>62882711
>what is margin of error
>looking at gpu bound scenario's to determine cpu performance

Tech illiterate spotted
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>>62882043
>ryzen clocked lower than shittiest binned chip can clock
>intel clocked like only golden sample can clock under water
So, this is power of intels' shills.
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>>62880471
It's nitpicking and running Ryzen on 2133MHz RAM. 7700k is a great cpu and best for pure gayms excl. coffee lake but most of the shit you see on /g/ is biased one way or the other. I don't think most of /g/ even OC anything but just like to wank to 5GHz/delidded results. Also, price/performance seems to be a non-issue to /g/ and every intelfan is running x299 eight cores minimum.
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I want an 8700k

t. Ryzen owner
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>>62882936
>those results don't count reeeeeeeeeee
>it's Intels fault that Ryzen has dogshit clock speeds reeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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>>62883027
>t. Intel shill
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>>62883018
It's shit.
You want a 7800K.
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>>62879658
To shit on Intel in ever single workload aside from video games
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Look at all these Ryzen owners trying to justify spending money on an inferior product by attacking Intel

inb4
>muh wojaks with intel hats
>muh schlomo

It's the only things they are capable of responding because they cannot come up with a legitimate argument due to the AMD's inferiority being a concrete fact.
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>>62883110
>Intel shill posts with an anime picture he saved from /b/
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>>62881894
This
Locked Haswell i5 here, can only dream of Ryzen 7
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>>62883110
Dumb anime poster
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>>62879658
intel has been paying comanpies for years to not optimize for multithreaded above 4c/8t
hence why amd is getting such low scores
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>>62879658
>>62879728
these benchmarks make no sense. i get higher results than those with my 1800x on a non ti 1080. a regular plain ol' 1080 at 1080p. i even get higher than those results at 1440p. something is wrong with their benchmarks.
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>>62883139
I'm still on an 3570k and it still blasts through everything I throw at it, I can barely even fathom how much faster a Ryzen 7 would be
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>>62883152
No you don't
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>>62882975
i'm >>62883152 and that was the first though i had. i'm running 3200mhz ram on my setup and i know ryzen LOVES faster ram. if they're running it on ddr4 2400 or lower of course the results are going to be awful. 2400 and lower LITERALLY bottlenecks ryzen in MOST applications.
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>>62883152
same here
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>>62883162
yes i do. in battlefield 1 i can honestly say i get much higher results with my 1800x and evga 1080 ftw at 1080p than those results at 720p. 1440p i'll either get those 720p results or a bit higher than 720p, but lower than my 1080p when i'm fullscreen 1440p. either they fucked something up or there is a bottleneck holding it back. i do know for a FACT battlefield 1 with ryzen loves faster memory. if they're running it as >>62882975 stated then they are doing ryzen a huge injustice.
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>>62883174
>>62883191
So post some proof then. Rypoo owners are always claiming magical results that are contrary to every benchmark online, yet never actually post any proof of their claims. I wonder why?
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>>62883139
i7 4790 owner here
still works perfectly
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>>62883249
>pic related
from techspot during ryzens launc with ddr4 2600mhz memory which isn't as bottlenecking as 2400 and below. 2600nmhz is bare minimum.

for kickers thats with original release titan x pascal. so slower than the 1080 ti.
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>>62883283
here's gamers nexus /g loves so much. 1080p, 2933MHz ddr4 on ryze, ddr4 3200mhz on skylake & kaby, and ddr3 2400mhz on haswell.

though they received lower results than techspot with everything but still clearly HIGHER than those 720p results.
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>>62883283
Different version of the game, different settings and even those numbers put Rypoo below the 7600K.

Incidentally, those benchmarks you just posted, from TechSpot, were done by the exact same guy as the ones in the OP. I guess they can't be trusted!
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>>62883307
I'm not sure what you think that proves, other than largely backing up the OP's numbers. The stock 1800X there is achieving 132fps average, versus 128fps average in the OP. And with much lower minimums than shown in the OP. The resolution is irrelevant, since it's clearly CPU bottlenecked even there.
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>>62879959
And do you imply 142 isn't higher than 118?
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fps/USD ratio
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>>62883428
woh, they managed to find a task so linear and dumb that even an amd processor can manage it. the intel winner doesn't worry about that, he's not into bitcoin mining, instead he brings the entire system together in concert, to deliver unto the user the artworks that are modern day AAA games. need to use the whole machine? every single component? need to squeeze every last bit of performance out of it? no probs. chadtel got you covered.
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>>62879658
Should have seen what came before it.
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>Today we're checking out the most affordable six-core processor ever released, and this time it's not from AMD. With an MSRP of $182, the Core i5-8400 is even more affordable than the $215 Ryzen 5 1600, though it can't be overclocked and lacks HyperThreading, so there aren't 12 threads on tap as with the Ryzen chip.

>Full disclaimer: we have tested the Core i5-8400 on a Z370 motherboard using DDR4-3200 memory but it's very likely that when paired with a B360 board next year you will be limited to DDR4-2666 or 2400 memory speeds, so keep that in mind.

Or just get 6/12 cores Ryzen 1600 and cheap motherboard with upgrade path in the future and no limitations on RAM and OC. Hmm, really makes me think!
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>>62879658
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>>62883428
>worse than 1500X
HOW???
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>>62883461
Nobody cares. Ryzen won some Intel proccesors, so Intel sucks.
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>>62883473
Why would overclocking be a plus when Ryzen falls way behind the 8400 even when overclocked? Why would increased power draw for less performance be a positive in your mind?

As for RAM speed, it doesn't matter at all for Intel systems. Only Ryzen's CCX glue tanks when paired with slower RAM. TPU posted an article about this just yesterday.
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>>62883558
Who cares about Bottlefield?
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>>62883558
>As for RAM speed, it doesn't matter at all for Intel systems
Then why fast RAM is locked to their top tier chipset?
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>>62883586
So that retards will be tempted to pay the extra for it in order to use faster RAM, because bigger numbers are better!
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>>62879658
competition obviously

also who the fuck plays at <1440p?
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>>62881518
nah wait for MCM
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>>62879658
>buy 1080Ti
>play at 720p or 1080p
Hmm.
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>>62883686
>guyze how do I benchmark CPU guyze hurr

Ah, the fresh smell of damage control in the morning.
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>>62883693
Creating GPU bottlenecks to mask Poozen's performance is the only way that AMD shills can compete any more. Sad!
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wtf delet.
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>>62883693
>Intel's lead in 720p gaymen benchmarks right now means it more futureproof!
>AMD's superior core/threads count TOTALLY NOT futureproof!
Inb4 "games will never need more than 6 threads!" Just yesterday Intel fanboys told us that games don't need more thank 4 threads. Standards change fast, KEK.
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>>62883558
>TPU posted an article about this just yesterday.
Can't find it. Link?
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>>62883794
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i7_8700K_Coffee_Lake_Memory_Performance_Benchmark_Analysis/
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>All those Intel benchmarks with MCE overclocking turned on.

Discarded.
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>>62883962
and a WHOLE 10 FPS gain on a game the 8700K favors.
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>>62883949
MCE doesn't even affect the 8400, you dumb fuck.

>GPU bottlenecked

>>62883962
>underclocked

>>62883968
>just plain better

The state of AMD shills.
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>>62879658
It was meant to scare Intel so that they finally would begin researching for better performance.
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Ryzen sucking intel's dick in 1080p just shows how much worse it is for gayming. Of course the results are close in 4k, but when new generations of gpus come out and the cpus become less bottlenecked at 2k and 4k, we will see the same trend with ryzen lacking way behind.
2 gpu generation from now, we will see the same thing between ryzen and modern intel generations, as we see now in 720p and 1080p.

The whole argument of ryzen being futureproof is bullshit. Intel is much more futureproof option for gaming, as it doens't bottleneck even the strongest gpus.
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>>62879658
>What was the point of Ryzen?
Giving /r/AMD something to suck.
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>>62883506
SMT is a thing. Civ6 is undoubtedly poorly optimized and has shit performance, but it scales pretty good with extra threads. Unlike HT which provides very little extra performance and the only noticeable effect is enabling you to store multiple contexts to switch faster between threads (it helps with poorly implemented muh multicore utilizing games with shitton of threads not doing anything useful but sinking down dualcore cpus) amd's SMT actually provides decent extra performance, up to 30%.
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Why doesn't this board understand how bottlenecking works?
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>watch all those Intel benchmarks with golden sample chips, 300$ motherboards and liquid cooling
>expect 100% performance
>get 85% performance with your poorfag (still need to pay premium over the Ryzen ones) motherboard and average cooler
Damn, even in the best case scenario in games Intel's lead is only 10% so we can expect the consumer i5 8400 to be on par with Ryzen 1600.
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>>62884249
>only 10%
>he thinks this is a small difference when looking at cpu's

We are not comparing gpu's here
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>>62884258
Mind you thats 10% in games at low resolution and in a system with premium components which normal consumers aiming at i5 8400 are very unlikely to build! Ryzen 1600 still has 6 more threads, can easily overclock and requires only 70$ motherboard to perform at its full potential.
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>>62884315
Yes we get that Ryzen has the better performance/dollar value.

That doesn't change the fact that for the best, you still need to be with Intel
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i dont know how anyone who actually did research can think ryzen is a bad buy

the 1600x is insane
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>>62879658
>What was the point of Ryzen?
Anything that is not a video game
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>>62884364
>Anything that is not a video game
Look >>62884249
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>>62880614
Most of that is explained by higher memory bandwidth. AMD cards tend to have a higher memory bandwidth than nvidia cards from the similar performance range. Vega 64 - 480 MB/s vs 1080 - 320/352 MB/s, RX 580 - 256 MB/s vs 1060 - 192/216 MB/s.

If you check how cards of similar memory bandwidth scale by resolution, you'll find that the scaling is pretty similar.
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>tfw ryzen
>tfw 2400 speed ram

I've cucked myself by not buying 3200 haven't I
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>>62884345
>stock higher than oc
Sure thing it's (((stock)))
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Everything is back to as it was. Amd is best price/perf. The go to when you are poor. Intel is simply best cpus. If you can afford intel, you should go intel 999/1000 times.
What a joke 6c/12t intel matches 8c/16t ryzen in multithreaded performance.
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>>62884417
Yes and by buying Poozen.
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>>62884419
>what is margin of error
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>>62884421
SOPA
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How do we solve the /v/ problem?
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>>62884483
We can't
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>>62879658
More cores, not higher clock speeds.
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>>62884249
AHAHAHA my R5 1600 is fine. Probably will get even better now since games will be optimized to 6+ cores thanks to Intel.
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>>62884524
>1600 (non-x)
cuck tier
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Ryzen is a great first step but it's necked by one thing, and that is it's poor clockspeeds.

I expect Ryzen refresh and Ryzen 2 to fix this issue.

Just imagine the 1600x but with a clock of 4.4-4.5 ghz for the low price they are asking right now, it would be awesome.

Untill that time I'll stick to my 6700k at 4.5 ghz
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>>62884064
>Civ6 is undoubtedly poorly optimized and has shit performance
on pootel
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>>62884533
But it overclocks to 4 GHz at 2.7V!
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>>62884539
>Ryzen refresh
not happening stop parroting this meme, we are going straight to 7nm ryzen 7 summer next year
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>>62884549
>being this mad that the 1600 is still the budget king
lol
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>>62884550
>not happening
Oh really, time to inform yourself dumbass


https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-pinnacle-ridge
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>>62884564
>he thinks people are mad about his Haswell tier CPU
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>>62884576
pinnicle ridge is 7nm ryzen 2 you fucking nigger
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>>62884417
Just OC it.
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>>62884582
only (you) it seems sweetie
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>>62884587
And we are supposed to take your word for it?
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>>62884564
Budget is the key word.
In case of intel you don't have to add hobo before king.
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>>62884601
>pcgamer
nice source

pinnicle ridge is zen 2 and will be coming q2/q3 2018
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>>62884610
Sorry im not adding the housefire before king
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>>62884621
Nice source
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>>62884621
>tries to discredit a persons source
>by talking random bullshit without providing any source yourself
Classic
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>>62884630
my source is amd's roadmap you faggot
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>>62884660
Lets see it, and don't show me outdated shit from a year ago
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>>62884601
>>62884621
>pinnacle ridge
Thinly veiled pickle rick meme.
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>>62884621
This is simply incorrect. Pinnacle Ridge/Zen+ is early next year, maybe 12nm, and Zen2 is early 2019.
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>>62884483
What problem? It's a fact that Ryzen isn't furtureproof for gaming because of the low clockspeed. Sure, 4k is a bottleneck now but it won't be when Volta and Navi are out. The 1080p results today are what the 1440p and 4k results will look like tomorrow. Ryzen's biggest advantage is that you can upgrade to a better verion of Zen when it comes out though, if AMD can make a 5GHz CPU then that will be just fine at gaming,
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>>62883978
>He unironically would buy a 1080Ti and expensive overclock motherboard to play games using a 8400.
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>>62879658
It was better then Intel, that time.
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>>62884753
>>62884843
t. too dumb to read a roadmap
if you are talking about this, its already confirmed to be fake, raven ridge is the only cpu coming out on 12 nm
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>>62884051
>In 1080p games with heavy single thread use.
kek
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>>62884601
NOOO
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>>62879658
>720p
topkek
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>>62884901
Then post your own source you retard.
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>>62879658

OK OP. YOU GOT ME. in 720p intel wins. fine i surrender.

i wonder how it performs in 1440p?
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I will legit eat a hat if amd actually puts out a 5ghz Zen chip within a year
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>>62884621
zen 2 is codenamed Matisse, Pinnacle Ridge is Summit Ridge refresh.
Was going to post this but was too late >>62884901
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>>62884258
But we are comparing on games which....guess what? Use GPU's. Checkmate.
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>>62884901
So how exactly is that slide countering the claim that Pinnacle ridge is a zen refresh? And where does it say anything about 7nm in 2018?

Did you even look at it before you posted it?
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cheap, decent, non-jewish 6/12 alternative
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>>62884950
The same gpu's yes, checkmate
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>>62884901
Can't you even read your own slide, you moron?
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>All those *stock* 8700K's on MCE
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Intel shills and their games. Go back to /v/
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Intel shills should falseflag for AMD, cause only if AMD succeed prices drop and quality goes higher.
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>>62885007
>autists and their 'productivity', back to /a/
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>>62883110
It's sad
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Without Ryzen Intel would have released Coffeelake the second quarter of next year with a price tag above $400 for 6 cores.
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>>62883775
>n-new releases will be optimized for poozen!

Think again
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>>62883110
Look at all thse Intel owners trying to justify spending money on an inferior 6700K only a few months ago.
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>>62885110
>Wait for Wolfenstein
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>>62885122
the 6700k still beats the shit out of anything in the Ryzen line up when it comes to gaming
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Look at all these Intel shills trying to justify spending money on yet another vastly overpriced Skylake iteration by posting fake bullshit benchmarks carefully forged by other Intel shills

inb4
>muh here is moar bullshit benchmarks
>muh wojaks with AMD caps

It's the only things they are capable of responding because they cannot come up with a legitimate argument due to Intel's anti-consumer practices being an objective fact.
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>>62885148
>those benchmarks are faaaaaaaaaaakke they don't count reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
The post
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>>62885122
It appears more recent CPUs can win in some scenarios. What a surprise.
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>>62885159
>I am retarded and ignorant of Intel's history as a company but will still post
The post
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>>62885177
>more memes
The post
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>>62885190
>Implying Intel's vast history of shitting on it's customers and competition is a meme
It's time to go back to >>>/v/
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>>62879658
What was the point of shilling?
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>>62879728
I haven't used a 1080p panel in over 7 years. More and more people are going 1440p+
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Moar coarz
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>>62884868
>What problem?
/v/ shitposting all over /g/ and judging technology solely by how fast proprietary video games work with it.
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>>62885205
>shifting the goalpost from talking about performance to company history
Kekkity kek
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>>62885224
what are your temps with that clock speed?
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>>62885256
>>>/v/
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>>62885283
No arguments left, kek
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>>62885277
55c while encoding 4k video and using OBS
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>>62885247
As opposed to /g/ who uses 10 years old Thinkpads and the most CPU-intensive thing anyone does here is transcode anime or use SVP?
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>>62884051
Yes because Intel chips totally don't melt start fires or thermal throttle and totally will age well running at 70 c or greater average Temps for their lifetimes.

Fucking retarded nobody wants to pay two thousand fucking dollars or even one thousand fucking dollars for something you have to delid or it doesn't work even at factory settings.

Fuck off Intel.
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>>62879888
jesus fuck, i5 has double the points of ryzen 1700.. amd utterly blown the fuck out
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>>62879728
720p 128fps
1080p 128fps
....
You can see that 1800x is not even sweating with your broken benchmarks.
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>>62879658
>720p
???
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I feel like Intel unleashed real paid shills on 4chan, not meme ones.
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>>62885324
There is literally zero difference that 70 degrees will impact the lifespan of a modern cpu in a significant way. These chips are build to withstand even higher temperatures.
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>>62885224
Why would you discard your old 1080p panel if you can use multiple panels?
I'll replace my main 1440p@60 with some freesync 1440p panel as soon as AMD will come up with decent GPU, but until then my 1080p panel will live.
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>>62885374
evidence*
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>>62885373
>I feel like Intel unleashed real paid shills on 4chan, not meme ones.
No shit.
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>>62885324
>one thousand dollars
$300 cpu that beats 8 core ryzen in multithread with just 6 cores. Also offers 70% more fps in gayming. And works with any ram.
You seem mad. Already having regrets about going poozen, Rajesh?
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>>62885377
I bought a 34" 1080p ultrawide with freesync(75hz) for $250 from ebay. I use it for games that support ultrawide and movies.
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>>62885405
nah it's just Brian shitposting here
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>>62884629
>Destroys Everything Within A 15 Mile Radius
>Khalid Moammer

What did he mean by this?
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>>62885096
Thats actually the only thing ryzen is good for - reduxing price of obj superior intel products
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>>62885445
>$250
not bad for that monitor
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>>62885480
Learn proper English before shilling here, Ranjeet.
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>>62885508
Oh, sorry, Rajesh, I forgot english was an official language in your shithole. I hope I didn't hurt your feelings.
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>>62884064
> poorly optimized
>scales pretty good with extra threads
It's poorly optimized, goyim.
It has good multithread, thus it doens't run good on dual cores.
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>>62885578
It doesn't offer anything justifying such hardware requirements
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>>62885473
Best meme ever
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>>62885444
I am a fucking Intel owner you asshat I just don't own the previous generation or the new coffee lake/i9 bullshit crap.

And I never will at this rate. You people are outright lying about this shit.


Go back to your bosses and fucking insist that they switch back to soldered die instead of this mayonnaise garbage and I will buy Intel again. Until then fuck off.
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>>62885623
An algorithm broken down to pieces, e.g. threads, is better manageable by h/w.
When you have a crap weak cpu with tiny cache, everything that is not written for it will be crap.
One of the weak spots of intel cpus is the small cache on cheap cpus.
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>>62885690
Guess, you will have to settle with inferior products cause of your autism. Anyway, thanks for reducing intel prices, so the rest of us can buy superior cpus at a lower price.
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>>62885747
where do you store all of your old mobo you buy every year?
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Here's my Ryzen Plan /g/:

-Not cheap out with an AM4 MOBO and get a X370 Asrock or maybe Gigabyte
-Buy a 1600 when it will go on sale soon (evident from the MicroCenter $170 deal) due to Covfefe Lake I believe, get it for that price.
-If Zen 2 seems viable, sell the 1600 and get it for increased performance and 7nm.
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>>62885789
sounds fine, anon.
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>>62885782
I went intel instead of bulldozer, I didn't have to update my cpu every other year. Pretty sure I won't need to update my 8700k for at least 4 years, unlike people memed into ryzen, who will be forced to swap several cpus in hopes of matching 8700k performance in years to come.
Just like this dude >>62885789
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>>62885872
I'm this guy

>>62885445
>>62885224

Before I had ryzen I had a 8320 which was good for encoding video, but the 1700 is better of course. I didn't upgrade for 5 whole years because it severed its propose. I'm plan on keeping it until ryzen 2 refresh.
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>>62885444
> beats 8 core ryzen in multithread with just 6 cores
In x264 encoding? That's what I need my cores for.
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>>62885872
>If I buy the most expensive CPU, I won't need to spend less and upgrade every few years!
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>>62885997
>>62886006
Stop replying to shitposters
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>>62886037
frigg off Randy.
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>>62886072
whats your style?
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>>62885333
Not sure if troll or stupid intel shill.
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>>62885333
>lower is better
waste of trips
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>>62885997
I had an 8350 before my 1700, served me well
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>>62886006
>most expensive
>$300
Rajesh, I understand that is your monthly pay but try not to project on others. Not everybody is eager to sacrifice 50% of performance and go with cpu that bottlenecks even 1070 just to save 50 bucks or so.
Though we can't even compare 8700k with 1600, even though it is 6c/12t, because it happens to offer 50% more single thread and the same multithread performance of a 8core 1800x
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>>62884564
>Intel’s Core i5-8400: the new go-to gaming CPU
https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/10/12/intels-core-i5-8400-review/

>But, for us gamers, it’s all about the Core i5 8400. It's an incredibly good value chip delivering unprecedented gaming performance for the money.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel-core-i5-8400-review-benchmarks

>That makes the Core i5-8400 the best overall processor in the mainstream market.
http://www.pcgamer.com/intel-i5-8400-review-the-best-new-gaming-cpu-in-years/

>For now, one thing's for sure: the Core i5-8400 puts Ryzen in an awkward position when it comes to gaming and perhaps even the new Core i7 range for that matter.
https://www.techspot.com/review/1502-intel-core-i5-8400/page5.html

Poozen shills eternally BTFO and on suicide watch!
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>>62885351
That implies the exact opposite. It says that the GPU is being limited by the CPU at both resolutions, hence you don't get any performance boost at all by dropping to 720p with Poozen.
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>>62884564
I, for one, am enjoying my new superior gaming CPU.
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Friendly reminder to not reply to shitposters!
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>>62885721
If it does shit that can be done in 4 threads but requires 8 heavier threads for that it's crap. Civ6 has good scalability but poor performance. Example of good scalability and good performance would be factorio. It runs fine on dual core cpus but even better if you offer more cores. Example of good performance but poor scalability (more like nonexistent scalability) would be overwatch or some other wide audience moba/shooter crap. Assassin creed would be poor performance with poor scalability.
If it loads all available cores it doesn't mean it's well optimized.
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Bf1 dx12 has been terrible from the beginning.
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>>62879658
To lose to intel
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>>62886286
Are you running to stock cooler too? I was running gta 5 last night and it did okay (72c max), thinking about getting an aftermarket cooler
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>>62886438
BF1 is horribly optimized in genral, the game itself is much more demanding than it should be. You're right of course that DX12 is still broken. Patches have actually made performance worse, quad cores were fine during the beta but stuttering started occurring after the final release and subsequent patches. When people say that BF1 stutters on i5's, yes that's true, but it's completely Dice's fault since the game USED to be much better optimized and they fucked it up badly.
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>>62886506
yeah, mine keeps thermal throttling. This thing does worse than my 7700k. Guess I might have to delid.
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>>62886506
Yup. I've never really cared about my temps though. My old 5830 used to idle at 65C, for example.
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>>62886532
Yours acually throttled? How hot did it get?
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>>62879658
I don't know what the fuck they were doing with BF1, but I actually get significantly WORSE performance using DX12.
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>>62886532
Why are you pretending to be me?
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>>62886538
My problem is you never know if coolers will fit and they always end up blocking something and i pisses me off. They need to standardize the sizes and capatability better
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>720p
>people complain for obvious reasons
>1080p
>people complain that it's an old rez despite being the most mainstream
>4k people complain because you can't bench a CPU properly
I'm still using a 1280x1024 monitor and wonder why people don't look at the benchmarks that match their needs
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>>62886230
>Same multithreaded performance as the 1800X.
Good goy. Overclocked benchmarks on golden chips are truly the correct measure of a cpus performance.
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>>62886639
>making excuses for a 6 core CPU performing better at multithreaded than a 8 core CPOO
The absolute state of pajeets
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>>62886639
>>62886309
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>>62886588
>why people don't look at the benchmarks that match their needs
We do. Most people use 1080p. Then there are those 1.98% of retards with 2k and 4k that always shitpost with their 4k gpu bottlenecked benchmarks, to bend information in the direction they want.
Funniest thing is - most of those 4k bench posters use 1080p themselves, as they are too poor to afford good cpu, let alone gpu and the monitor
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>>62886709

I always look for benchmarks of what i want to do, sadly most benchmarks out there are for AAA games and a few video editors. I would love to see indepth benchmarking of current CPUs compiling clang, gcc, single threaded vs multi, GHC, etc.
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>>62886512
Dx11 plays pretty good on my ol' fx8320, the game could be better optimized I'm sure but its better than most.

Dx12 has always been a stuttery mess for me, I tried it on an equivalent Intel system and its just as bad
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>>62886746
You got phoronix and servethehome
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel-coffee-8700k&num=1
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>>62879658
To save the world from Intel's overpriced stutterfire garbage. Enjoy paying $200 for a coffin lake motherboard.
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>>62886696
Good job exposing yourself shill, now I'm going to do what the other Anon said and stop replying. Have fun.
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>>62886506


8400
z370

Hahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahaha
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>>62886969
Im not poor enough to have needed to wait months to save 40 dollars and get a lower quality mobo.
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>>62887010
That's because Intel processors have zero value.
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>>62887024
Ryzen has negative value huehhuehheuehheueuehehhehehehehheheheh look im shitposting too now
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>>62887054
>stating facts is shitposting
ok
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>>62886969
That Z370 board is cheaper than some B350 ones. Enjoy your $60 ASRock piece of trash and the loud bang when its VRMs give up a few months from now.
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>>62884961
1600, the one and only
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>>62887085
These are the same people saying its fine to oc a 1600 on a b motherboard. Enjoy your fried mobo after a year or 2
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>>62887085
>>62887099
Ur just acting full retard now with you anecdotal (((arguments))). Enjoy paying premium for less features.
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>>62887127
Features don't matter!
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>>62887127
>less features
You know coffeelake is doing well when damage control is this high. Some shills have gone so far as to claim the 8400 wont even turbo on b and h cpus because jayz2cents used mce on the 8700k????
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>>62887127
Money don't matter!
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Now let's talk honest. We all know that intel offers better performance. But does amd have anything going for itself besides a lower price?
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>>62887187
who cares? enjoy paying another thousand dollars for more than four PCIE lanes.
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>>62887211
getting 100% of the performance for 50% price compared to Intel seems like a pretty good deal to me.
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>>62887099
I've been saying ever since Ryzen launched that people overclocking non-X CPU's to their absolute limit on B350 boards are retarded. People are being misleading when they say the only difference between B350 and X370 is SLI/Crossfire support.
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>>62887211
You get to support the """""good guys""""" and not evil Intel.
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>>62887085
>loud bang when its VRMs give up a few months from now.
stop this meme
show me an instance where this has even happened
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>>62887236
Shills gonna shills. They never mention to people building a pc for non-gaming that they need to buy a gpu to have a display either.
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>>62887245
>da evil jooooos!!!!!
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>>62887236
>People are being misleading when they say the only difference between B350 and X370 is SLI/Crossfire support
And more lanes
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>>62887211
Ryzen offers 4 more PCI-e lanes from the CPU so you can use an NVM-e at full speed. Coffee Lake Z370 has a bunch of chipset lanes but only 16 CPU lanes.
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>>62887236
Some of the higher end B350 boards like the Strix and Pro Carbon have decent enough VRM setups for overclocking, but the cheaper ones are all garbage. It'd be fascinating to stick a thermal probe on some of them.

>>62887257
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zTzpYjQ2MM
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>>62887262
Why you keep replying to yourself?
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>>62887236
The VRMs are good on some boards. Anyways, overclocking a 1700 or 1600 to 3.7 won't do any harm. the boards are made to survive a 3.7 1800x.
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>>62887287
that's not a B350
that's not AM4
that's not a Ryzen CPU
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>>62887312
Oh yeah, 3.7 on stock cooler is fine, it just seems like some people are expecting to get 4GHz on a 1600 on B350. Not going to happen without a very good cooler and sonme kind of active cooling on your VRM's. (A small ziptied CPU heatsink fan usually works.)
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>>62887236
Tomahawk is more than fine for overclocking
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>>62887289
Cryzen, everyone
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>>62887317
What has that got to do with anything? Do you think B350 boards use magic MOSFETs or something?
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>>62887284
AMD should have put 32 PCI-e lanes from the CPU on X370 so they could advertise full speed SLI/Crossfire, something that you've always had to pay out the ass for. With Threadripper having 64 lanes 32 on the consumer platform would make sense. Hopefully AMD adds some more for Zen2.
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>>62887211
>let's talk honest.
More like lets shitpost more
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>>62887377
no, I was asking that anon to show me an instance where B350s have ever even exploded on anyone
B350s are the mid-range for Zen1, not bottom-barrel trash
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>>62887347
Agree. But it needs a lucky sample of the CPu too. From my experience anyways.
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>>62887417
Low end B350 boards are close to as bottom of the barrel trash as it gets. Do you seriously think you're getting high quality components on a $60 motherboard? You do whatever you like, but don't say you weren't warned.
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>>62887462
>BUT MUH 40 DOLLARS OY VAY
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>>62879658
Without ryzen, we;d be paying $2000 bucks for a 4 core well into the year 2020. We have ryzen to bring the price down for 18 core CPU's.
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>>62880489
>>62880451
ahhh the eternal Intel fanboy.
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>>62887718
i am glad stupid people buy ryzen and drive down prices for smart intel owners
>>
The Intel 8 series is the last ditch attempt by Intel at milking its ancient bingbus architecture. It knows the writing is on the wall from here on in. It has to evolve. 10nm has already been speculated as being slower initially. Intel have stated this themselves. They will have to concentrate on more cores and new architectures in the coming years. It's a given fact untill other manufacturing methods or quauntum compute takes a leap.
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>>62887924
Sucks being a poorfag intel fanboy
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If you support Intel, either you are a really guilty German who's great grandpa personally skullfucked 100 jewish corpses, a retard or a paid shill from India/Philippines. Plain and simple.
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MOST DX12 titles are just fucking DX11 in a DX12 wrapper. If you look at a game built from the ground up in DX12 like Forza 7 you will see just how good it cane be. Developers tag on DX12 as an afterthought in most games and it shows.
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>>62888319
>poor
>intel
Thanks for the chuckle
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