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>Assemble a part list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>Example gaming builds and monitor suggestions; click on the blue title to see notes
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
>Learn how to build a PC (You can find a lot more detailed videos on channels like Bitwit)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g [Embed] [Embed]
>How to install Win7 on Ryzen
https://pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1

If you want help:
>State the budget & CURRENCY for your build
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs:
>NO i5 7500/7600K or i7 7700/K. THEY ARE DEFUNCT AND SUPERSEDED BY COFFEE LAKE
>A8 9600 for non-gaming (light tasks) or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card
>R3 1200 - Budget builds (best with OC + fast RAM)
>R5 1600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs
>R7 / Used Xeon / Threadripper - Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Mixed use

RAM:
>Current CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal
>Before buying RAM for Ryzen, check your Mobo's QVL or look for user reports

GPUs:
>Vega 64 is barely better than 56 for $100 more, avoid it
>Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon)
1080p
>GTX 1050Ti and 3GB 1060 are the only reasonably priced cards; 6GB 1060 or 4GB 580 if you want to overpay a little
>GTX 1070 or Vega 56 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match
1440p
>GTX 1070/Ti, 1080, Vega 56 are standard choices; currently overpriced
>GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match
2160p (4K)
>GTX 1080Ti

General:
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>A 240GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor

Old Thread: >>63309422
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Would it matter if I update a Samsung 850 Evo's firmware after I have installed windows on it?
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1440p 144hz monitor on a GTX 1060 if I just turn settings to low?
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>>63318126
a 580 would be better as it has 2gb more vram.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#c=391&r=8192&sort=price&page=1
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>>63318139
No it has G Sync.
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https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/M24fNN

what's a good monitor to for this build I'm planning?

Are these monitors good for gaming?
> Asus VZ279H
> Asus MX279H
> HP 27es 27" Monitor
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>>63318109
remember, I only went to 3200 because it was the cheapest option out of 2800/3000/3200
don't overpay for it, each step up is only worth like 5%.
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>>63318157
gsync is irrelevant. you're not going to consistently go over 144 fps with a 1060 or a 580 on 1440p.
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>>63318168
if you want to be good at games, go with a 1080p 144hz monitor.
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>>63318243
Look man I'm not buying AMD they suck
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i want a semi budget 1500-2000$ gaming computer, can anyone suggest a build?
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>>63318168
you have two options

144hz 1080p
60hz 1440p

now the question is do you prefer resolution or framerate


>Are these monitors good for gaming?
look at response times
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>>63318288
1000$-1500$**** sorry
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RX 580 RMA guy from the previous thread reporting results.
HWMonitor showed dramatic dips in 12V (consistently below 11.7, dipping below 11.0 before crash).
Now, after reattaching all the cables (doing some cable management in the process) and resetting the CMOS battery, 12V is showing constant 11.7-11.9 and the system is stable.

I felt the need to inform someone of the success.
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>>63318266
>le everything from X manufacturer is great/shit meme
kill yourself

>>63318243
>you're not going to consistently go over 144 fps with a 1060 or a 580 on 1440p.
that's not why you get gsync
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>>63318323
That wasn't me. I already have the 1060 though. I'm just wondering if I can get by with it at 1440p until Volta.
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"Ryzen" sounds cool, like some kind of ninja name like "gaiden", however 7700k sounds like you own some super rare space metal, like check out my 7700 carrot gold CPU. Then people would go shitdamn, where the fuck did that come from, thats impossible! But at the end of the day ayy em dee has cooler names like opteron for example, like its an autobot from transformers. You should pick the one that sounds cooler, so when people ask what your computer has you'll score more cool points.
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>>63318350
>not going for the biggest possible terraflops so when you're comparing in the pc center bathroom you can terraflop it out of your pants and impress everyone
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>>63318069
I want this fucking tiny computer but I remembered I can't do anything with it
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What do I use to crack Wangblows 7 these days? Is Windows Activator 2.2.2 gud? Where to get it?
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>>63318399
Old version of Windows Loader before they infested it with malware. I've used it thousands of times without any problems.
https://mega.nz/#!XUlx2KaK!FTTP3JBvbBVSmqNPOmkkBarXLCIBHFjk2DnSC3eqt9U
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>>63318420
ty pham
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>>63318069
> soon a single port will be bigger than the computer

i dont know why anon but you just triggered me hard
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Is the i5-8400 really worth the extra $71 over the i3-8100?
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Overclocking weather is finally here.
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>>63318473

Quad cores (as in. only 4 threads) are dead if you want to play the latest and greatest.

>>63318519

Maple syrup or vodka? Bonus option: earl grey tea.

(comedy option not included)
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>>63318473
>i5-8400
you aren't going to buy that right now are you anon? buying an overclocker mobo for a locked cpu is retarded as hell
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>>63318323
yes it is. you use gsync to stop screen tearing, which will not occur with his build at 1440p.
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I'm going to do a major upgrade on BF/CM.
I rather keep it under 700 dollars.
Right now I have an AM(emergency)D FX8320, and an R9 280.
I want to get a jewntel processor and an nVidya GPU. I also need to get new RAM and a new PSU.
And I will obviously need a new mobo.
Any suggestions? I'm thinking of getting a 1060, but not too sure about the CPU since there are a billion options, and would like to Future proof the mobo as well.
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>>63318797
Adding to that, I have a 59hz meme monitor. But I can wait to upgrade that.
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>>63318797
from previous thread

Comes down to https://pcpartpicker.com/list/H9cCjc which is about 100$ more than you wanted
if you can find that 100$, I'd get that
if you can find another 50, I'd get the 16 gigs of ram option, since ryzen doesn't like having all ram slots filled and forces lower speeds if you do fill them all. This upgrade would mean you don't have to worry about RAM at all until you build an entirely new PC
if you can find another 30-50, I'd get a dual fan 1060 6gb, which will make a lot less noise.
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>>63318574
>Maple syrup or vodka? Bonus option: earl grey tea.
burgers
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>>63318069
I flashed my HDD from a windows 10 USB and now my PC won't even boot to BIOS.
Tried reconnecting everything inside and resetting the cmos. Nothing is working.
What do I do?
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Someone knows where can I check rumours about the Riven Ridge launching? I only wanna know if it will arrive before January.
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>>63318243
>gsync is irrelevant. you're not going to consistently go over 144 fps with a 1060 or a 580 on 1440p.
That's precisely why gsync is relevant. Do you even know what gsync is?
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>>63318965
MSI afterburner already does a perfect job at frame limiting
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>>63318989
>MSI afterburner already does a perfect job at frame limiting
Gsync doesn't limit the FPS, it matches the screen refresh rate with FPS.
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>>63319003
>FPS lower than RR
Turn settings down
>FPS higher than RR
Limit FPS

Whoa buddy I just saved you $100 for some gimmick.
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Current build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F9Hvpb

My PSU or something is acting wonk right now. (Waiting for 2nd RMA to happen). But I can still boot.

But I am not looking to upgrade CPU until Ice Lake maybe, or whatever AMD has out to fight an actual new arch from intel. (I remember people going oh why would you need the 6800k it is less clocks and no gaymes use multicore properly reeeeeee)

Same for GPU want to wait until volta.

Mostly I wanted a 2nd monitor to set up vertically, but going below 4k seems like a downgrade. Any reccomendations

Looked at:

http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-ultrasharp-25-monitor-u2518d/apd/210-amll/monitors-monitor-accessories

(Had HDR meme)

http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-24-ultra-hd-4k-monitor-p2415q/apd/210-agnk/monitors-monitor-accessories

http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-ultrasharp-27-4k-monitor-u2718q/apd/210-amlm/monitors-monitor-accessories
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>>63319033
>Turn settings down
Good luck getting consistent 144Hz at ANY settings in new games.
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>>63318965
you can avoid screen tearing without using gsync.
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>>63318909
Buy a new hdd.
Try formatting hdd from bios and reinstalling windows. Google it
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>>63319064
his point still stands, dummy.
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>>63319064
If I have a 1070ti. Is it still not worth it to go for a 144hz monitor?
I think i need a new monitor since my old one is 8 yes old.
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>>63318069
>no 8700k
Nice try shill
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>>63318399
I use Microsoft Toolkit 2.6.2
Grab it here https://www.reddit.com/r/MSToolkit/comments/76f40y/megathread_for_all_tools_edit_5/
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Will graphics cards be able to do 1440p @ 144Hz soon?
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>>63319117
The thing about high-refresh rate monitors is that most games are designed to run on 60Hz monitors, so even if you manage to remove GPU bottleneck, you'll just run into a CPU bottleneck before getting consistent 120 or 144 FPS.

I'm not saying that this makes 144Hz monitors NOT worth it, but it's something to keep in mind.
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>>63319117
144hz is almost always worth it, especially if you want to be good at the games you play.
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>>63319157
probably not until late next year.
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Got a 1060 i5 2500K atm, thinking of getting 16GB RAM and a Ryzen 1600
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>>63319224
fantastic idea.
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https://www.newegg.com/global/it/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=1070+ti&ignorear=0&N=-1&isNodeId=1

alright, which one?
planning to play at 1080p and not upgrade for quite a while
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>>63318069
>A8 9600 for non-gaming (light tasks) or bare minimum gaming builds WITH a dedicated graphics card
Absolutely fucking retarded. Take this garbage out of the OP
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Should i switch my GPU already? pic related is two years and half old.
If not, Where would you rank the 390?
[spoiler]i'm already at 1080p it's an old pic[/spoiler]
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>>63319260
https://www.newegg.com/global/it/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487387
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Reminder that last generation's CPU are completely defunct. Don't even consider getting one.
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Is AyydoredTV right in his last video?
Saying six cores are not going to last at the top very long and that eight cores will be what will remain relevant?

We we see another 2500k vs 2600k debacle in 2 years or so when comparing 8600k vs 8700k due to threads?

I'm curious because I'm thinking about upgrading my CPU (i5 2500k) to a 8600k, but now I'm seriously considering paying the extra money for the 8700k.
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>>63319393
thanks man
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>>63319275
Still 60hz though?
Then I'd say no.
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>8 years later
>this is still the best looking case

Are there any case that comes close?
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>>63319275
>Should i switch my GPU already?
No, the 390 is about 580/1060 tier, which is great for 1080p.

>>63319260
Get a 1060

>>63319224
I would hold off for a while. Your 2500K will drive 60FPS easily in most titles

>>63319157
>>63319182
>>63319064
They already can. Anything 1070 or above is a good 1440p card. You don't have to keep a locked 144FPS on a 144Hz monitor; in fact it's unlikely and that's OK

>>63319117
1080p 144Hz VA panel are cheap. Check OP pcpartpicker

>>63319033
If your FPS are already below the refresh rate of your monitor AND they're acceptable (like 50FPS if you have a 60Hz monitor OR a 144Hz monitor) you don't have to worry about settings or use Vsync

>>63318909
>flashed
Wrong terminology. Anyway you don't "flash" your HDD. Seems like you fucked up somewhere

>>63318865
You might be able to set a custom refresh rate in Radeon or Nvidia Settings. I changed mine from 59.83245 to 60.0000
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>>63319397
>cant even buy it
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>>63319275
>If not, Where would you rank the 390?
It should be between 570 and 580.
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>>63319425
>Get a 1060
a 6gb?
for how much time will it last me until i have to upgrade to get 60fps on 1080p?
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>>63319445
1060s are useless. 580s cost just as much and perform just as well, but have 2gb more vram. you shouldn't buy either if you have the budget for a 1070 ti, though.
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I'm trying to build something from 0, this is what a friend recommended to me. The currency is Chilean pesos (CLP). He told me that between what's there and the I3, the last one isn't really worth it, considering the price and limited budget.
I'm thinking on buy the RAM used.
Any opinion would be appreciated.
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>>63319463
i have a budget of about 1k to 1.5k yuromoney, and as i posted above i'd play on 1080 because that's more than enough for me (been playing 900p all these years)
it doesn't have to be now, but i read on these threads, the 1070 ti price will go up with time and i didn't want to lose the chance to get more bangs for my bucks
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>>63319398
Just get the i5 8400 for now. Intel might release an 8 core consumer i7 in the near future and it's unlikely to be on 1151v2

>>63319397
The i7 7700 is going to be a great upgrade from the G4560 when the i7 costs about the same as the new i5 on the used market

>>63318797
All you need to do is OC the 8320 to about 3.9GHz and get a new graphics card like the 1060.

>>63318574
>Quad cores (as in. only 4 threads) are dead
Absolutely fucking retarded. 2c/4t CPUs are still great, shithead.

>>63318473
By platform cost (CPU + mobo), the i3 8100 is outperformed by the R5 1600 right now

>>63318308
Pretty dumb to buy a new 1440p 60Hz monitor for games. How many times do I have to tell you shitheads that you don't have to keep a locked 144FPS at all times on a 144Hz monitor?

>>63318288
Check OP, retard. Just ignore the A8 9600 trolling, which is way below your price range anyway

>>63318168
If you don't want to upgrade your graphics card often, get 1080p. There's a great 1080p monitor in the OP pcpartpicker.

>>63318126
Can be done, really the 6GB 1060 is a minimum 1440p card.
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>>63319502
change the mobo to a b250. everything looks fine.
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>>63319531
the 1070 ti will go up. buy asap.
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This probably has an obvious solution I'm missing but I need help. I just built my first computer and got all the parts and cables in where they should go, but when I hook it up to the monitor, it's not showing anything. The power for the PC works as the fans spin and the LEDs go on. How can I tell if it's a problem with the monitor or cable or if I just screwed something up with building it?
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>>63319568
Did you hook the monitor to the GPU or the motherboard?
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>>63319463
>580s have 2gb more vram
Which is pointless at 1080p. Additionally the 8GB 580 is more expensive than the 1060 6GB in most regions. A 3GB 1060 is also possible, which is about 30% cheaper than the 6GB version

>>63319445
With careful adjusting of settings, probably until they quit making games on the PS4/XB1

>>63319502
Looks pretty good. Make sure that the H110 has an updated BIOS, otherwise it won't work out of the box with the G4560
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>>63319565
i hate this country
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>>63319266
>>63318069
Yes, I think it's time to retire most APUs from the list, or at least wait™ for Vega based apus.
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>>63318122
No, should be okay
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>>63319619
>time to retire
They've been out. Some shithead is "trolling" right now
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What's the pros and cons of VA monitors w/ regards to TN and IPS? Are they good for gaming?
I'm interested in Samsung LC27HG70, it's a VA panel and I don't know anything about this tech.
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>>63319553
That's like $120 more, don't think I can afford it. Thanks anyway, will consider for the future.
>>63319611
I'll have that in mind, thanks.
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>>63319463

>6GB of VRAM is useless

lol you guys are silly. there are plenty of people playing with 4GB and 3GB still, 6GB will be good for the next few years

here i got you your complimentary AMD hat JUSTWAIT amirite
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>>63319610
GPU. I even took it out and connected the monitor to the motherboard.
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>>63319718
> there are plenty of people playing with 4GB and 3GB still
This, no use getting fucking 8 gigs of Vram to gaym @ 1080p.
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i just want to play videogames at max settings/1080p and 60fps for the years to come
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>>63319740

yeah there's a reason the gtx 1080 can play at 4K@60FPS with silly stuff like AA and (what)works disabled even though it has four times the amount of pixels to store in VRAM.

honestly DX11 was released in 2010ish, DX12 in 2015ish, so anyone with a 1060 6GB should be good til 2020 or later
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>>63318921
Bump. Some good ol anon?
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>>63319611
>Which is pointless at 1080p.
factually incorrect.
>Additionally the 8GB 580 is more expensive than the 1060 6GB in most regions.
only $20 more on average everywhere. the difference is completely justified due to the extra 2gb vram.
>A 3GB 1060 is also possible, which is about 30% cheaper than the 6GB version
the 3gb version is a waste of money that will be completely outdated by this time next year.
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let's settle this
http://www.strawpoll.me/14376763
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mF6cJV
>tfw checking deals and saw PSU's for $9.99 after MIR but missed them
What components usually go on sale often? PSU's and Case's seems to have rebates on them frequently. Do any of the parts in this list go on sale for any lower?
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>>63319676
>That's like $120 more, don't think I can afford it. Thanks anyway, will consider for the future.
the reason i say this is because some h110 boards are not compatible with pentiums. just be careful
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Eternal reminder that the two most important parts of your PC that will determine what everything else shall be within your given budget are your Monitor and PSU.
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>>63319645
144hz VAs are curved, and curved monitors are shit if you actually want to be good at gaming. TN + ICC profile will get similar results in terms of color.
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>>63319819
Show me one case where having 6GB of VRAM cripples a card at 1080p, but having 8GB saves it. You can't, and the extra cost isn't justified.

PS4/XB1 have 8GB of RAM TOTAL, i.e., for both system and VRAM. So obviously 8GB of VRAM is excessive but 6GB might be useful

>the 3gb version is a waste of money that will be completely outdated by this time next year.
By completely outdated, you mean that the Super Hyper Megaton 4K texture option can't be used?

Shithead
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>>63319819

the 3gb is within 7-12 FPS of the 6gb in every benchmark @1080p

what are you talking about

the 580 is a good card, but it doesn't make sense why it has so much vram and still performs within spitting distance of the 1060 6gb, maybe they should have rerouted that money into the GPU...
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>>63319718
>>63319740
nobody said 6gb is useless. i said the 1060 in particular is useless, because the 580 is superior. also, imagine being so retarded you don't have the slightest clue how vram works.
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Should I buy a non HDR 4k monitor? Or is 4k pointless without it?
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>>63319889
>PS4/XB1 have 8GB of RAM TOTAL, i.e., for both system and VRAM.
PS4 and XB1 also run games at 30FPS and low settings.
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>>63319926
PS4 Pro also has 8GB of RAM in total.
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is the stock cooler with the R5 1600 good enough for slight overclocking?
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>>63319847
most shit goes on sale nowadays. i saved you $50 for essentially the same performance:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/c2Xm6X
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>>63319947
Yes
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When AMD had 3gb cards and Nvidia had 2gb, 2gb was all you'd ever need at 1080p they said.

When AMD had 4gb cards and Nvidia had 3gb, 3gb was all you'd ever need at 1080p they said.

Remember: some of the latest and greatest games are locking settings behind a vram wall which (currently) is generally 4gb. The OG titan will keep on rocking but other big kepler chips are dying a pianful death.
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>>63319926
Also the XB1/PS4 have a 1050Ti tier GPU, which is really what provides the power. I'm just saying that FOR VRAM there are console limits and settings to be adjusted if necessary.
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>>63319909

vram stores pixels and shaders and all the graphical stuff so the GPU can work on it, essentially. but the 580 has a lackluster GPU (for being the top of the 5xx series) so what's the point of all the VRAM?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwkIw_pJr4A

also this video says they're pretty much neck and neck with the 1060 taking the slight edge except in BF1

the only objective edge that the 580 has is that it can use crossfire, which can be either awesome or pointless depending on what it's used in
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>>63319889
>Show me one case where having 6GB of VRAM cripples a card at 1080p, but having 8GB saves it. You can't, and the extra cost isn't justified.
nobody said anything about 6gb crippling a card, retard.
>PS4/XB1 have 8GB of RAM TOTAL, i.e., for both system and VRAM. So obviously 8GB of VRAM is excessive but 6GB might be useful
consoles have exclusive games that are made to be compatible, yet they still have shit performance.
>By completely outdated, you mean that the Super Hyper Megaton 4K texture option can't be used?
3gb is already outdated at 1080p, if you want to play at max settings. next year it'll be useless.
>Shithead
that's the best argument you've made so far.
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>>63319965
Literally this. No different from the retards claiming 8Gb is enough for gaming either.

4GB VRAM 16GB RAM is bare minimum today.
Ideally 8GB VRAM or more. Thank god for Vega'S HBCC too, I'm sure that will come in handy real soon.

I've seen games utilise up to 11GB of RAM in my system, and the jump in performance from 4GB to 8GB can be seen when looking at Fury X benchmarks vs 8GB AMD cards with similar clock speeds, sometimes it's a difference as large as 40-50fps, and the Fury X is not a bad card in terms of clocks by any stretch of the imagination.
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>>63319892
>the 3gb is within 7-12 FPS of the 6gb in every benchmark @1080p
the difference in vram is mainly shown in visual performance, but even here you're proving my point. they're the same card, yet the 3gb is behind. in a year it will be even worse.
>the 580 is a good card, but it doesn't make sense why it has so much vram and still performs within spitting distance of the 1060 6gb, maybe they should have rerouted that money into the GPU...
your understanding of vram isn't very good. with that being said, an extra 2gb of vram for only $20 more is a complete steal. you'd be throwing money down the drain by buying the 1060.
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>>63319914
HDR is mostly a gimmick, as very few games support it as of now and is very expensive on PC monitors, however if you do want it make sure that your monitor has a lot of dimming areas, which are what make HDR function well. Recently I saw a review on a cheap HDR monitor and that one had a pathetic 4 dimming zones, which made HDR look like utter crap.
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>>63319947
yup, 3.5ghz easy at stock voltage.
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Rx580 at gearbest -$300 https://www.gearbest.com/graphics-video-cards/pp_684595.html
Rx 570 - 260 https://www.gearbest.com/graphics-video-cards/pp_1048499.html
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>>63319040
Also is there anything i should look into upgrading?
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>>63320064

>the 3gb is behind
of course it is, it's a cheaper and weaker card. no one would say it would be neck and neck
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>>63319990
>but the 580 has a lackluster GPU (for being the top of the 5xx series) so what's the point of all the VRAM?
its not a lackluster gpu. it benches essentially the exact same as the 1060, but it has 2gb more vram. you're going to have a much better time playing maxed out with the 580, especially in the future.
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>>63319990
>580 btfo
So much for that all them jiggabytes
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>>63320064

>they're the same card

The 3gb 1060 has less shaders.
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>>63320129
its the same card, just with less vram. it benches and visually performs worse than its 6gb counterpart, which shows the importance of vram. i thank you for proving my point.
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>>63319740
Ive never needed more than my 970s 3.5gb at 1080p
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>>63319965
AMD's 3GB cards are all 7970 tier or lower. A card of that strength doesn't need more VRAM. The 7970 is about like a 780, which is also a 3GB card.

>some of the latest and greatest games are locking settings behind a vram wall
VRAM is for texture only (or occasionally things like shadow cache). The visual difference between RotTR with it's Super Ultra >4GB texture option vs a lower option is almost non existent at 1080p.

>>63320031
>nobody said anything about 6gb crippling a card
Oh come on, you said that >>63319819 the 2GB extra of VRAM isn't pointless at 1080p. So I'm telling you to give me proof that it isn't. Where does the 8GB do something that 6GB can't? Where does the 6GB falter and the 8GB shine?

>consoles have exclusive games that are made to be compatible, yet they still have shit performance.
No, not exclusives. Occasionally a game like Dishonored 2 will drop below 30FPS on the XB1, even with all that VRAM that you love so much. Wow, VRAM isn't the savior: it's more about the GPU power! Lesson learned.

>3gb is already outdated at 1080p
It is not. Sometimes you have to adjust one texture setting from Ultra to High, but who cares? You can't even see the difference unless you pull out a magnifying glass on your god damn 1080p monitor (not 1440p, not 4K, where more VRAM is actually needed)

>Shithead
You did say that the 3GB 1060 would be "completely" outdated in a year, which is stupid.
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>>63320137

but it gets worse performance in almost every scenario. so it costs more and doesn't have any performance edge. why is the 580 superior? because it has more VRAM? that's dumb because it's still getting worse performance, so what is the point of that extra kit?
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What price would be appropriate for a R390?
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>>63320192

Pic.

>>63320210

>The 7970 is about like a 780, which is also a 3GB card.

Thats some Grade-A top tier shilling anon. The 780 should (but isn't) an entire tier above a 9790 - the 7970 was a 680 competitor. The 780 should be fighting hawaii but instead it gets fucking slaughtered by it instead.
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>>63320156
they're as similar as possible.
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>>63320259
No, not really. The 580 4GB and 8GB versions are identical except for VRAM, for example.
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is Samsung's "Rapid Mode" / auto RAMdisk or w/e actually worth enabling if you have plenty of free memory? It seems like it's just a meme / way to cheese synthetic benchmarks from what I've read
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>>63320064
>yet the 3gb is behind
Not about VRAM, retard. It's a cut down chip, with fewer cores, as the other anon said.

>an extra 2gb of vram for only $20 more is a complete steal
You haven't given any examples where 8GB actually worth the extra money over the 6GB at 1080p. Because you can't.

>>63320179
>>63320259
>its the same card, just with less vram.
No, it isn't, retard. The 3GB version has a core config of 1152:72:48 and the 6GB version has a core config of 1280:80:48, which is why you see a slight performance difference. Kinda like how the 570 is the cut down version of the 580.
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Looking for a nice 1080p g-sync 144hz monitor for the purpose of vidya and light image editing, I currently have a 1070 driving my display.
>Price range is up to $800.
Pic related is the one that seemed most viable, but I'd like to have a more neutral color scheme. I've also heard of acer having problems with dead pixels and other defects.
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>>63320241
Help! is 175$ a good price?
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>>63320226
>but it gets worse performance in almost every scenario.
depends what the game is optimized for
even in the video you posted, the first game, 580 had the edge
in the bigger benchmarks I've seen it's about 50/50 with a 5-10% FPS difference for whichever it prefers
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>>63320210
>Oh come on, you said that >>63319819 (You) the 2GB extra of VRAM isn't pointless at 1080p.
that's correct. i said it isn't pointless. i did not say that 6gb of vram is crippling.
>30FPS
kek. you should stop here with your console argument. you look silly.
>It is not. Sometimes you have to adjust one texture setting from Ultra to High, but who cares?
you're proving my point. already in 2017, if you want to played maxed out at 1080p, 3gb is not enough. next year it will be even worse.
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>>63320345
>>63320241
is it new?
it's apparently similar performance wise to 1060 3gb, so compare to that
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>>63320226
>but it gets worse performance in almost every scenario.
wrong. it benches the same.
>so it costs more and doesn't have any performance edge.
8gb vram > 6gb vram. does it cost more? marginally. $20 on average in western countries.
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>>63320392
>is it new?
No, but it hasn't been used for mining, i guess i'll buy it since 1060 3GB is over 300$ here.
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>>63320324
>You haven't given any examples where 8GB actually worth the extra money over the 6GB at 1080p. Because you can't.
you're retarded. $20 for 2gb more vram is a steal. the simple fact that you disagree with that is proof you're a shill.
>No, it isn't, retard. The 3GB version has a core config of 1152:72:48 and the 6GB version has a core config of 1280:80:48, which is why you see a slight performance difference. Kinda like how the 570 is the cut down version of the 580.
what you're doing right now is nitpicking, like the little faggot you are. your argument is terrible.
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>>63320363

>first of many dx12 games
you should say
>only one of many dx12 games

there's no point to the 2 extra gb because obviously the GPU is the factor that's keeping it back, or maybe AMD has crap drivers. either way here's the build i'd like to pull the trigger on

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hZYc2R

gives me ample headroom to pull the trigger on an 11xx for a Christmas present next year
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Why is AMD behind in the GPU race? It seems like, especially thanks to cryptofags, that their GPU's sell in very high quantities. So why dont they have something actually competitive to the 1080ti?
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>>63320462
>$20 for 2gb more vram is a steal
Not when even 4GB is sufficient in the vast majority of games at settings the 580 can actually run well.
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>>63320246
Even directly at release, the 7970 was a way better card than the 680. No one in his right mind bought the 680 after the 7970 was released. That's why the 780 is a more accurate comparison. We're talking about the usefulness of VRAM vs raw GPU power here. Release dates don't matter
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>>63319614
You can still get 1070 ti for ~480 euros in eu easily. Stop shipping from america it's not fucking worth it.
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>>63320415

>benches the same
>gets a consistent 5-8 fps less than a comparable card in equal circumstances

i don't get what your definition of 'same' is
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>>63320485
how can anyone take you seriously after you unironically posting that build AND denying that there's no point in more vram?
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>>63320494

1060 6GB = 6" penis
580 8GB = 8" penis

except the 580 isn't quite as good at using its 8gb, so it can't satisfy as well, so it just has to go around saying 'but i've got 8gb!'
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>>63320497

You have it backwards. The 7970 was released first - and was the fastest gpu at the time - but when the 680 dropped and bested the 7970 AMD re-released it as the 7970ghz to retake the crown.

>We're talking about the usefulness of VRAM vs raw GPU power here.

Yeah and the fat kepler dies have plenty of horsepower to compete against hawaii (side note: there are 6gb 780's out there) but in recent years fat kepler's performance has dropped off a cliff. So take your pick - either the 3gb vram is plenty and Nvidia is leaving kepler to rot or 3gb was not enough and despite the driver support the vram buffer is a major limitation.
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>>63320497
>Even directly at release, the 7970 was a way better card than the 680.
When 680 was released, it performed slightly better than 7970. Of course, AMD immediately released the higher clocked GHz version of 7970 which again beat the 680, but the difference between the two was by no means a big one.
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>>63320337
bumpu
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>>63320560

because there's -obviously- a difference between 3gb and 6gb for dx12 gaming. i'm saying that the 8gb in the 580 is useless because the 580 can't make use of it due to a a less-than-stellar GPU

maybe they should have cranked up the price a hundred dollars, invested that extra cash into the GPU, and put the 580 right between the gtx1070 and gtx1080 instead of making it a worse value than the gtx1060
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My old Corsair HX620 has developed coil whine - which titanium PSU should I replace it with?
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>>63320494
you're under the assumption that people only play at 1080p and buy new pcs every other year. both of those things are obviously not true. 8gb of vram is beneficial in 1440p and 4k as of now, and will be beneficial at all resolutions in the future. for a measly $20 extra. how is this hard to understand?
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>>63320603

>maybe they should have cranked up the price a hundred dollars, invested that extra cash into the GPU

Thats not how chip design works - particularly for a chip designed to be (relatively) cheap to produce. The extra GDDR5 is cheap as fuck to add.
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How much can i sell this 4 year old desktop for?
i can put a licensed winshit on it for some normies too
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>>63320415
>8gb vram > 6gb vram.
Oh, well maybe we should just put 16GB of VRAM on the 580. That'll totally be worth it!

>>63320462
You're just saying bigger is better (which is an infantile argument) without understanding what's useful and what's not. No point in paying $20 for an extra 2GB of unnecessary VRAM.

>>63320505
The 580 and 1060 6GB are basically the same
http://gamegpu.com/action-/-fps-/-tps/star-wars-battlefront-ii-test-gpu-cpu
580 wins in Battlefront II and Nioh (which is also on gamegpu. Can't paste the link because Cyrillic). Most of the multiplats run better on Radeon because consoles are Radeon

PC first type games like Elex and PUBG will run slightly better on Nvidia
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Do I buy a 1060 6gb now and a top line Volta next year or get a 1080ti now and possibly miss out on all the new shit next year?
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>>63320684
150$
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>>63320655
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT7at2ufEac

it's not even a convincing win against its little brother

>580 4gb vs 8gb in 1080p max settings, the 8gb consistently edges out at 4-8 fps

the gpu is the bottleneck in that chip in gaming. at least it's good for mining i guess
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>>63320642
No, I'm not. The 580 and 1060 aren't powerful enough for 8GB vs 6GB to be important, and that's very unlikely to change in the near future.
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>>63320505
>gets a consistent 5-8 fps less than a comparable card in equal circumstances
that's false. the averages across multiple games are dead even.
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>>63320705
buy neither and then get 2080ti or whatever it's gonna be called.
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>>63320701
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwkIw_pJr4A&t=3s

>basically the same
so what is the extra ram for, pretty much nothing...
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>>63320684
you might find some poorfag old person on craigslist but normies don't buy desktops anymore, definitely not used desktops, and even some geek PC hoarders like me probably wouldn't even drive over to your place to take that piece of shit off your hands for free
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>>63320594
the acer is probably the cheapest you'll find. $320 right now. i'd go with that.
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>>63320603
>i'm saying that the 8gb in the 580 is useless because the 580 can't make use of it due to a a less-than-stellar GPU
that would make the 1060 less-than-stellar as well, as they perform equally. 8gb > 6gb.
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>>63319266
Agreed, the non vega/Zen APUs are hot garbage thanks to Piledriver
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>>63319949
Nice, I need a disc drive because reasons, but $30 savings is $30, I might consider throwing a bigger graphics card in with some of the money.

Just curious about a couple of the choices though. Why a toshiba drive over the western digital ones? And what advantages doe those cubical cases off over the regular tower, is it mostly just aesthetic?
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>>63320765
I will tell you when you tell me who's the cutie.
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>>63320701
>Oh, well maybe we should just put 16GB of VRAM on the 580. That'll totally be worth it!
it would be worth it for the consumer.
>You're just saying bigger is better (which is an infantile argument) without understanding what's useful and what's not. No point in paying $20 for an extra 2GB of unnecessary VRAM.
even if it was unnecessary right now, which of course isn't true, it would be necessary in the future. $20 to future proof your gpu is a steal.
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>>63320724

i don't know what you guys mean by same, or equal, or whatever.
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>>63318266
What a joke of a fucking person lmaoooo
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>>63320718
thank you for continuing to prove my point. the 580s have the same design, yet the 8gb outperforms the 4gb, even in 1080p. if vram didn't matter, they'd perform equally.
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>>63320719
>The 580 and 1060 aren't powerful enough for 8GB vs 6GB to be important
>still not understanding how vram works

>and that's very unlikely to change in the near future.
>still not understanding how the market works
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>>63320821

it has twice the vram but only gets 5% gains. why go for the 8gb for an extra $50?

the 580 4gb is the real champ here
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>>63320462
>like the little faggot
I'm a Chad.

>>63320573
>Nvidia is leaving kepler to rot
This is what's happening.

>>63320771
>that would make the 1060 less-than-stellar as well
The 6GB version is overpriced, so yeah, it's less than stellar.

>>63320799
>16GB on the RX 580 would be worth it for the consumer.
At $20 per 2GB? That would make the 580 a $450 card. You're just doubling down on stupid now
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When are the new rounds of GPUs coming out from Nvidea, marchish?
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>>63320830
>projecting this hard
>not understanding anything about anything
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>>63320729
>so what is the extra ram for, pretty much nothing...
the 580 clearly wins in dx12 games, at 1440p, and at 4k. this will only get worse in the future, making that measly $20 investment pay off even more.
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>>63320800
Cherrypicked screens don't mean anything

>>63320821
I'm not entirely sure you understand your own point, much less his price/perf argument.
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>>63320727
I need a card now, I'll get a 1180ti or whatever when its out more than likely. I mean were not likely to see much of an increase over pascal in most regards but still
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>>63320800
>screenshots of videos
>6 games
>1 dx12 game
>1080p
how much shilling can one do?
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>>63320799
>even if it was unnecessary right now, which of course isn't true,
But the extra 2GB of VRAM IS unnecessary right now, you god damn retard.
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>>63320835
>it has twice the vram but only gets 5% gains. why go for the 8gb for an extra $50?
>not understanding how vram works
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What's the point of the single slot 1050ti Asus makes? Every case has dual slot from what I can tell
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I've been ready to upgrade my PC for a while now. i've had set back after set back but I can finally afford what I want by the end of this month.

But now i'm having a hard time fitting the RAM into the budget and I found out recently that Ryzen is moving to 12nm in March for the 5 series.

Should i just suck it up and wait till then? I can't seem to course a GPU, RAM prices are retarded and the Ryzen 1600 is going to be redundent in 4 months. Will RAM prices stablize by then?

for refrance i'm running a FX-6300 and a R9280X the GPU is only just starting show it's age but this CPU is suffering. I was looking to upgrade to a R5 1600/X and a RX580/GTX1060 6GB with 16GB@3000mhz RAM.
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Will Volta cards be coming out soon?
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>>63320930

For the truly chibi cases or (more likely) for use in systems where all other pcie slots will be populated.
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>>63320849
>I'm a Chad.
kek
>At $20 per 2GB? That would make the 580 a $450 card. You're just doubling down on stupid now
the cheapest 16gb card costs twice as much. people would buy it without thinking twice. you'd be delusional to think otherwise.
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>>63320933

Given you are doing a ful lsystem upgrade then eyah, waiting to see how the ryzen refresh plays out is the smart move. In the here and now you'll probably want to overclock that 6300 as far as you can to squeeze extra performance out of it.
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>>63318069
That pic triggers my OCD
>inserting a microsd card into slot in the pic box
>that doesn't even have a microsd slot

Talk about dishonest marketing
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>>63320900
Isn't V100 like 130% faster than P100 tho? I mean we should at least expect the new xx70 to be as good as 1080ti.
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>>63320885

then let's pull up some other screens

lol we can do this all day, 580 is underwhelming
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>>63320885
i'm disproving every point you shills are making in this thread. my initial point is factually correct and you morons managed to prove it for me.

580 > 1060
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>>63320908
>But the extra 2GB of VRAM IS unnecessary right now, you god damn retard.
incorrect.
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>>63320965
>people would buy it without thinking twice.
Only because many of them are idiots. Getting a 580 8GB is a waste of money when the 4GB version is available.
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>>63320919

oh please tell me what vram does except storing the color/locations of pixels and shapes and stuff

games obviously only need 4gb to perform
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Can I ask for PC set up help here?
It is a new build and some old HDDs. When I press the power on button the fans start moving, but nothing is happening. Pressing the power off or restart does nothing. The speaker makes no sound. And I don't get to the bios. Any ideas what could be the problem?
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>>63320684
Unless your buying a laptop, or wanna workstation/AAA-grade gaming platform, why even sell it?
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>>63321025

>games obviously only need 4gb to perform
>games obviously only need 3gb to perform
>games obviously only need 2gb to perform
>games obviously only need 1gb to perform
>games obviously only need 512mb to perform

Oh Voodoo how I miss ye.
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>>63321040
taking up space on desk, and i can use the money to upgrade my thinkpad
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>>63320988
You're incredibly stupid if you think that anyone, even Nvidia owners, run DOOM under openGL. Performance is much better on Vulkan for both companies, and AMD will win hands down

>>63321008
Prove it, you can't. All you can say is hurf durf bigger is better without an understanding of the meaning of the word "excessive."
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>>63320988
>dead even performance
>2gb more vram for only $20
>underwhelming
how will nvidia shills ever recover?
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>>63321023
>Getting a 580 8GB is a waste of money when the 4GB version is available.
unless of course you care about what you spend your money on. 8gb is more beneficial now, and will be in the future. have fun building your next pc in 2018.
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>go to Microcenter
>ask about the AM3+ Vishera.
>salesperson talks me out of it.
"Ackshully its not 8 true cores, just two four cores moshed together."
"No more software support."
>/g/ents forgot to mention
"Dead system, get better performance out of an old i3."
C'mon AND! Get it together.
Pick unrelated tech
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>>63321124
>unless of course you don't care about what you spend your money on
FTFY. But go on, keep ignoring reality.
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>>63321085
>Prove it, you can't. All you can say is hurf durf bigger is better without an understanding of the meaning of the word "excessive."
its not excessive, as it gives benefits right now.
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Waiting for my 8700k to arrive on Wednesday... This is killing me.
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>>63321162
>But go on, keep ignoring reality.
ironic coming from the guy who valiantly denies that vram affects performance.
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>>63321165
I think he is saying that if you spend more money now to stay ahead of the technology curve, you will be better off down the road.
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>>63321181
>my ram arrives on friday
>have to live with 4gb until then
*sweat*
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I built this a year and a half ago when I had a decent job delivering chinese food. even then my budget was pretty low

any recommendations for cost effective upgrades?
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>>63321039
Guys?
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>>63320985
And that's in machine learning tests usually, plus none of the nvlink features will translate tot he consumer grade variants.

>>63321148
What? Its 8 cores in a 4 module configuration. In a sense if you think of it as 4c 8t that's more akin to the performance. However it is 8 true cores as amds lawsuits have demonstrated.
i3 won't beat it in a lot of cases, maybe some gaming or something but even then the pentium beats out even a 8700k in some cases
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>>63321039
Did you plug in the 4+4 pin PSU cable on the top left of your motherboard ?
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>>63321208
Well Ive been here for the past two days asking aboht the AMD FX 8320. And you all said it was shit. He said it was shit.
Why am I not getting the R3 instead?
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I don't game and don't need the newest/best thing. I want to work on older tech for fun. Probably going to install something ridiculous like Gentoo on it to play around/learn/git gud. Would it be better to overhaul a x200 or x220 thinkpad? Both go for ~$100 in my area. I'm aware that I can libreboot the x200, but only partially deblob the Intel ME on the x220. Do I go for the older, less upgradable blob-free x200 or the newer x220 with more RAM which may be completed libre-d in the future (and supposedly has an extra slot for mSATA SSD if I remove the WWAM cellular network card)?
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Should I replace the thumbscrews on my build for normal screws? It's not like I'm going to be opening it anytime soon anyway.
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Is the lcd screen cleaner spray a meme or can I just use a common house hold cleaner.
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I want to build a new Rig before the holidays hit. I think the black friday putting a Ryzen R3 1080p gaming setup together is very doable under 500 bucks. Not destitute, jist have x to spend and want to get tbe best for x.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9ZgXxY

Comments, criticisms? Should I go for an i3? I'd prefer to stick with intel and I like how cheap freesync is compared to g-sync, especially when Vega is now available
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>>63321373

and a picture of everything
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>>63321203
a new pc
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>>63321387
I think you could get a better deal on some items like the monitor and the psu. You dont need gold, get a bronze modular.
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>>63321227
And I was just thinking that the cable management was good. Yep, I forgot it. But I seem to have an even bigger problem. I don't seem to have a PSU cable to plug in it.
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>>63321426
not everyone has money to just throw around
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>>63321446
if you go work for two weeks you should be able to afford a decent pc
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>>63321468
You can buy pc for $200?
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>>63318069

Monitor good enough for photography/video work, 24" tops, resolution whatever, but I want to game and I have a laptop when a 1050ti
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>>63321497
I said two weeks, not two days
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I just assembled my first PC and it went surpisingly well. I think. After I powered it on I noticed my CPU fan was turning very slowly, to the point where I could almost distinguish the logo in the middle.

Be quiet! pure rock
MSI B250 PC Mate
Seasonic M12II Evo 520W
i5 7500

Is this normal when my system is waiting for me to insert a boot device? I'm kinda hesitant to turn it on again because I don't want to overheat my CPU.
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>>63320486
not enough R&D money.
Vega has good hardware but guess what nodrivers
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>>63321436

i would go bronze, but i'd like to upgrade to crossfire in the future or a Volta GPU, and that's the cheapest 144hz freesync monitor available...
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>>63321497
Not him, but do you live in fucking china?

Also I built a PC in 2015 a bit stronger then yours and it truly is showing its age that CPU is from 2012 my dude. There is no need to be hostile over someone suggesting an upgrade. It's not like /g/ is holding a gun to your head.
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>>63321510

you want a 24" 1080p IPS monitor. that will have great color, and your 1050ti will be fine with games as long as you cut down the anti-aliasing and other (arguably) unnecessary stuff
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>>63321553
I wasn't that guy tbf, just saying how retarded is claiming you can earn enough money for a new pc in 2 weeks. This is international website not everyone lives in america.
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>>63321165
>its not excessive, as it gives benefits right now.
More assertions. No proof
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>tfw bought 7700K for 200$ from Intel
>they still manage to jew me
FUCK

I'm tempted to sell it and get something else, but the only other CPU I'd get is the 8700K and that would cost me about 120$ after selling the 7700k. what should I do bros
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>>63321203
Overclock the 6300 to 3.9GHz
Get a 3GB 1060

>>63321208
>even then the pentium beats out even a 8700k in some cases
Fuck no

>>63321271
>Why am I not getting the R3 instead?
You should be

>>63321373
The i5 is good
A better Freesync monitor in OP pcpartpicker

>>63321497
Don't worry about them, just OC and get a new graphics card, like I suggested

>>63321811
If you got a 7700K for $200, you're good.
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>>63321811

just keep it. look at how many people still run the 2600k on speccy and have no issues. the 7700k will only fail you in e-peen comparisons
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Quick Question: Can you over lock a 8700 or only a 8700k?
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The CPU cable from the PSU doesn't have exactly the same holes as the ones on the mobo, but it goes in. Would that be a problem?
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>>63321940

Hint: K
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>Idiot crashes into electrical pole
>Power shuts down suddenly
>Motherboard has been acting strange since, refuses to wake up from automated sleep mode unless I manually put it in sleep, needs to be shut on and off multiple times when trying to power it back on from shutdown
FUG
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Just bought a SSD 120gb and a 2tb hard drive to replace my 1tb hard drive. How the fuck do I get w10 on my SSD?
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>>63322001
You can try migrating the OS
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>>63322001
You can do a fresh install or use Acronis or similar software to copy your os from the old hdd.
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Best software to monitor cpu temperature?
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>>63322239
>>63322219
Thx anons

>>63322338
I use speedfan
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What's up /pcbg/? I recently overclocked my R7-1700X and am currently testing for stability via Prime95. I have
>R7-1700X
>Asus ROG Crosshair VI motherboard
>Being cooled by a CM Hyper 212 EVO turbo

Is 67C high for prime95 load? Been doing Small FFT load for the last half hour. Also HWmonitor is reporting 1.550v for voltage where as CPU-Z is reporting the 1.350v I set the voltage to, so I'm assuming just an HWmonitor bug?

>>63321991
Are your devices not plugged into a surge protector? I spent good money on some overkill surge protectors because I'm not letting some drunken baka take my stuff with him when he kamikazes
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>>63322380
Yeah, it is plugged into one. I guess it wasn't good enough.
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>>63321955
Idk, post a picture
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ryzen 1600x
asus prime x370-pro

Didn't boot with ddr4 kingston hyperx fury 2666mhz RAM, bought crucial 2133mhz ram, works flawlessly.

Aren't both (the cpu and mobo) supposed to support them?
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>>63322447
could simply be that your Kingston RAM was defective. I have a kit of Corsair 3200mhz that booted and ran at 2133mhz until I manually set the speed and voltage in BIOS. ANY ram should work with Ryzen regardless of motherboard. It's just that only certain RAM kits will run at their advertised speeds is all.
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>>63322447

Did you check QVL? Also: not all XMP profiles work with ryzen because (suprise surprise) an Intel setup is different to an AMD one.

Hint: increase voltage and/or procodt.
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RzP6Yr

How did I do? Will rip out 1tb HD out of old build. Plan on grabbing a Massdrop Vast
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>>63320933
I'm this Anon. Is there a guide for OC-ing my CPU? i've never OCd and want to make then next 4 months slightly more bearable. I've got a decant enough cooler btw.
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>>63322552
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>>63321955
>>63322393
>>63322552
>>63322574

i had the same thing, isn't an issue. (had the same PSU and mobo for 4+ years)
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Thanks to the anon earlier I managed to cut it by $33. If it is compatable, I might spend a bit more on a graphics card since I saved on the motherboard.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Zs2FzM
Should I go with this case or this?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811235054
http://www.thermaltake.com/products-model.aspx?id=C_00002559
Does the chassis have any advantage over a regular case?
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>>63322671
>2 core in 2017
anon please don't, you're going to hate yourself
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>>63322539
what motherboard and cooler do you have paired with that FX-6300? I had my 6300 at 5.0ghz way back in the day and it was a power hungry whore of a CPU that barely kept up with a stock i5. Your best bet would be to buy the R5-1600, motherboard, and RAM. (And windows 10 license if you don't already have one as that's required to play with Ryzen). Sit on your 280X for a little while longer and OC it if you haven't already. The performance gain you'll get from going FX to Ryzen is Much much more than you would from a GPU upgrade.
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>>63318069
i7 8700k
GTX 1080 Ti
2x16GB

how can i fit these into micro or smaller ?
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>>63322447
Update BIOS and then try the 2666MHz RAM again.. if it still doesn't work then you should definitely RMA/return the RAM

>>63322536
Is the Massdrop Vast a Freesync? If not I'd get something besides Vega

>>63322552
I wonder if that's a defect in the PSU connection

>>63322713
meam team is here!

>>63322787
Support is getting a little better. I have a stock 6350 and I'm not often disappointed
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>>63322671
Go with a Ryzen 1200 at least on the AM4 socket to have an upgrade path.

Don't buy into a dead end.
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>>63322836
Yup freesync! Computer good enough for 3440x1440p?
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Ryzen 1600 here.
The Windowa USB starts up. I can't use the mouse, but I continued with keyboard. It can't read the HDDs and the SSD, though. It says drivers are missing. I am doing this through a USB2.
I tested the USB on another machine and it works.
Help.
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>>63322836
are you the retard that talked him into a useless CPU?
there's a huge difference even with a 1200 in games that have quad core optimization and that number is going to rise significantly in the coming years.
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>>63323014
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/answers/id-1928516/windows-detect-hard-drive-clean-install.html

try this
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Can we ask about monitors here
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>Sapphire Vega 56
>499
>Sapphire Vega 64
>504

SOME BODY kill me aib when?
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>>63320933
>>63322539
Both your CPU and graphics card are long in the tooth, but mostly your graphics card is going to be the limiting factor. You can easily pair a 1060 with a stock FX 6350

>>63322872
You need faster RAM, like 3000 or 3200MHz

>>63323020
Keep meming, retard. He's getting a 1050Ti. It would be fine even with a 1060
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8700k still out of stock
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>>63323080
Do it like me
>buy vega
>return it after 30 days
>but another one
>return it again
This way I can use vega and wait for aib vegas at the same time.
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>>63323083
>Keep meming, retard. He's getting a 1050Ti. It would be fine even with a 1060

>he's just getting locked into a platform where he'll have to basically buy a completely new PC if he wants to upgrade his GPU
haha oh yeah I didn't realize that
okay then anon, continue with your amazing advice
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>>63323051
Doesn't give me enough information to know which one is the currently installed windows so I can remove it.
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>>63323203
He'll be upgrading to the i7 7700 for about $150 pretty soon
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Is it possible to do a gaming virtualization build on the R5 1600, or is it a complete waste of time.

I want to do the virtualized gaming setup but im not really looking to blow a grand between the processor and videocard alone.
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>>63323080
>>63323151
Aib?
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8jbvTH
>1080p 144hz
R8.H8
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>>63323283
""AIB" stands for "add-in board" which usually means cards designed by other companies."

basically aftermarket cooler, not reference cooler
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>>63318473
>not getting a 1600
have fun just waiting
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>>63323302
Thanks bud. Am I fucked if I grab a card now?
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>>63319535
>all you need is 2 cores
>a locked i7 is great
>ignore having a proper upgrade path supported until 2020 at the very least
>just get a cpu with more chains on it than a cotton picker
off yourself
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>>63319744
ryzen 1200
$100, sky/kaby/coffee lake ipc, overclockable, its literally all you really need
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>>63323342

The reference cooler sucks balls - if you want to bolt another cooler to it (be it a water loop or something like the raijintek morpheus) buying now is fine. If not, wait.

Note: reference PCB is monstrous so keep an eye out when AIB cards do drop they aren't making it worse.
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>>63319847
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fQBmYr
at least get something that's not on a dead EOL platform
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Aren't these temps way too low..? My CPU fan is turning at a very slow speed as well...
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>>63323412
How long of a wait are we looking at?
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>>63319744
That other anon has it right. Ryzen 1200 paired with a 6GB gtx 1060. Or RX 580 would last you quite a while for 1080p gaming.
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>>63321181
>coffee lake
>just wait
checks out
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>>63323479
>too low
???
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>>63318126
I have this 6gb card. I really think you could manage 1440p but those hertz are unrealistic at that resolution for newer games
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>>63321387
>locked cpu
>$200
whats wrong with you

>>63323080
vega 56 is $400 where i live, how about not living in a 3rd world country

>>63323140
no shit, thanks for the update
its also $420 now
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>>63323532
I'm sort of worried my temperature sensors are defunct and my cpu is going to overheat.
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>>63323014
Bump.
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>>63322787
I'm likely going to wait till March to buy anything. it would really suck ass to buy a R5 1600 and then have ZEN+ come out just three months later.
Here my specs also I have a Hyper 212 EVO coller I got from a pal.
>Sit on your 280X for a little while longer and OC it if you haven't already.
I've been really happy with it's performance. I tried to overclcok it at the start of the year but it would keep crashing. My guess would be I needed to up the voltage more but I was a bit spooked too and the performance incress didn't matter as much then. also I got lazy.
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It's Christmas in my pc

What other RGB stuff can I add (not RGB ram they are overprices as fuck right now)
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>>63323673
could just buy a string of USB power LED lights and throw them in. they have those LED strips you can buy as well. is there a way to maybe make the one you have flash?
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hey /g/,

is this a decent build for a Office-PC?

What parts should I change in order to improve the overall build?
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>>63323559
If it's lower than room temperature then they most likely are fucked yes
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>>63323723
yes, but in that specs i would recommend getting a cheap case+psu combo
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>>63323723
Literally just get a shitty amd APU, you don't need a 500gb ssd, and you don't need a $50 pc case
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>>63323644
Zen+ won't be a massive upgrade, not really worth waiting for ~5% improvement unless you don't have the cash right now.
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>>63323298
It's ok; aftermarket 580 8GB is $40 overpriced

>>63323401
>ryzen 1200 = $100, sky/kaby/coffee lake ipc, overclockable
It's more like $110
It has similar IPC in 7z but in games and i3 8100 is faster than an R3 1200 at 3.6,
Pentium upgrade path is great to i7 7700, especially for someone of his budget
i7 7700 is better than the R5 1600 in games, so the 7700 will be good for a long time so having that performance will mean an extremely long platform life. He will probably want DDR5 by the time the 7700 is done
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>>63323805
>~5% improvement
More like 10-15% from clocks alone.
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Is is possible for a overclocked 1700x to beat 8700k for gaymen 1440p with 1080ti? im tired of waiting for 8700k and the store is jewing me sells me for 420 usd
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>>63322552
You only need to insert one 4-pin that fits. You should not have to plug in all 8. There's a reason why the plugs are not all the same shape as the one in the mobo. Do not force it.
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>>63323808
>i7 7700 is better than the R5 1600 in games
>It has similar IPC in 7z but in games and i3 8100 is faster than an R3 1200 at 3.6
>2 fps is worth sacrificing power consumption and a proper upgrade path
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>>63323805
I'll have the cash at the end of this month
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I love my Ryzen 1600!
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>>63323889
>overclocked 1700x to beat 8700k for gaymen 1440p with 1080ti?
They will have similar performance at the framerate, just buy what one is cheaper and right now that would be the 1700x
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>>63323928
DELID
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>>63323928
no u dont
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>>63323777
My case fans are plugged in directly to my power supply so they're constantly running at full speed. The air coming out the back is definitely below room temperature...
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>>63323928
I love my Ryzen 1700 and Vega 64!
Thank you based AMD!
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>>63323997
>52C
What you bakin senpai
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>>63324005
A video.
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>>63324005
an offset with stock cooling
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>>63323968
that's probably not true unless you installed ac in your case and even then it would be questionable
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>>63322713
>>63322858
>>63322713
>>63322836
>>63323020
>>63323083
>>63323203
>>63323251
>>63323431
What the fuck should I do then?
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>>63323968
Unless you built your pc inside a fridge that's simply not possible anon, it feels cold just like sitting in front of a fan does, but the air itself is not cooler than room temperature.
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>>63322552
>>63322574
>>63322582
Its just fine. The reason that 8pin cable is split in two is because some boards designed for low power only use 4pin EPS for CPU.
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NEW THREAD
>>63324003
>>63324003
>>63324003
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>>63324027
Not buy into a shitty EOL platform i told you you dumb nigger
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>>63324027
If you want to be super cheap:
>1200
>B350 mobo
>2x4GB at 2400~2666
>GTX 1030 for poverty gaming
>swap out dvd drive for box of pop tarts
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>>63324048
If I get a ryzen then what GPU should I be getting?
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A "do I even need to upgrade?" question. I have a 3770k, GTX 970. Planning on finally going to 2 monitors, 1080p 24 inch each. Nothing heavier than say WoW on one, open browser on the other.
Am I good enough as is, or should I upgrade, and if so, what to?
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>>63324090
>Do I need to upgrade?
Is the wrong question to ask.
>Is there something I currently cannot do or can do but would like to do better?
Is the proper question.

And only you can answer it.
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>>63324101
Is this some zen shit? My computer seems to run fine now, but I have no fucking idea if adding a second monitor will put too much stress on it, so I'm asking experienced people what they think.
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>>63324101

I like your style anon.

>>63324138

>My computer seems to run fine now,

Then quit yer bitchin'
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>>63324138
You'll know after you get the second monitor, pussy.
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>>63324070
1060-580 are solid midrange choices
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>>63324171
So I should go ahead and get a 2nd monitor, and then just curse under my breath if it just so happens to not work?

Why not just know in advance, or does this board pride itself on being dicks?
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>>63324245
considering dual monitors is entry tier compared to 3-4 midrange and 5+ enthusiast, you're selling your 970 short
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>>63324171
and if it doesn't work, and it turns out I do need to upgrade, what then? build random fucking computer builds until I find one that works?
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>>63324274
So it sounds like I'm good then, thanks for your help anon!
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Anyone else waiting for prices to drop? I'm thinking a build next year or the one after, had my current pc for about 5 years so going for that kind of longevity again.
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>>63323723
Yes but I would build mITX

>>63323889
>Is is possible for a overclocked 1700x to beat 8700k for gaymen 1440p with 1080t
Not to beat, but they'll be close to the same
If you're just gaming, get the R5 1600 or i5 8400 instead

>>63323899
Interesting. I guess it probably plugs into nothing, considering this anon hasn't had any trouble >>63322582

>>63323907
Your greentext style sucks.

>power consumption and a proper upgrade path
7700K runs at 55W under gaming loads.. less than the R5 1600
https://www.vortez.net/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_5_1400_1600_review,5.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-kaby-lake-core-i7-7700k-i7-7700-i5-7600k-i5-7600,4870-9.html
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>>63323928
>>63323997
I love my ryzen 1600 and my vega 56
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>>63319422
>makes a post about a case
>doesn’t bother in the slightest to name the photo nor name said case
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>>63324027
Whatever you do, do not buy that Athlon. Athlon has a very similar CPU to the A12 APU in the benchmark >>63319266

Either G4560 or R3 1200
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>>63324497
>countercuck on a 20 year old engine
amazing benchmark
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>>63324027
Also ask yourself
>who has benchmarks and data?
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>>63321437
What PSU did you buy
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>>63321203
Get an SSD
You'll thank yourself
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Which 1050Ti for use with an R5 1600. I know nothing about GPUs and intend to use it for casual vidya.
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>>63325190

The one with the highest clocks.
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>>63325190
If you're only getting a 1050Ti, there's no point in getting a powerful CPU like an R5 1600. You want the R3 1200
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Hows this for a kinda budget IOMMU Gaming setup. I have a 600w psu, I can pick something up for the host card or I can try to use my old gtx970.




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