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This thread is about the appreciation of horology, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make a fine watch, clock, or other timepiece.

>Required viewing for noobies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBFI8ScdE4E

>Strap Guide:
http://pastebin.com/SwRysprE

>Watch essentials 102:
http://pastebin.com/VBAu4Rwi

Previous Thread:
>>63358329
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Will China ever get close to the Swiss and Japanese with watches?
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I like watches
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>>63363734
I too enjoy watches
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>>63363733
they already rival cheap japanese watches. Just depends on what they want to do. Right now they have the resources to mass produce low end for the most profit. They literally have replicated rolex machines to make nearly the same quality parts, but it isnt economical for them to go for high quality.
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>>63363733
China has the production and parts

All the need is brand perception and tighter QC
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>>63363734
i have always enjoyed when watchmakers actually take the time to put care into little details like finishing the sides and underbelly of the hands. and also finely finished indicies.
GS does it the best at a low price point.
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sup fags
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>>63363734
>>63363807
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>>63363726
I kinda like these simple style unpretendious watches. Should I cop this one?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wristwatch-LUCH-c-2209-ULTRA-Slim-23-jewels-Soviet-Russian-made-in-USSR-Serviced/282732170537?
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@63363898
give it a rest dude. Honestly no one cares about whatever the fuck you are trying to bait people on.
Move on.
>>63363902
seems maybe a bit overpriced but overall a goos deal. Id go for it if i sisnt already have a luch ultra
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>>63363876
How do you have pores so huge but no arm hair?
That doesn't make sense...
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>>63363933
Imagine what you could do with such a arm.
You could satisfy hotkinkyjo or use it as a fucking battering ram, i'm mirin'
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>>63363933
the arm fat ate all the hair.
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Here's a little something for the britbong sekonda guy.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Casio-Casiotron-S-14-X-1-Computer-Watch-1977-Retro-classic-Vintage/192363701534?
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>>63363991
lol canacuck in the meme
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>>63364003
They are all from /wt/
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posting for the lulz
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>>63363926
>other troll does it for 3 threads straight
>no peep

>point out defects on other brands
>woah dude chill out!

lmao
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>>63363807
>finishing the sides of the hands
Yeah, about that.

If you want that level of detail, you're going to have to go higher than Rolex it seems. And I like Rolex a lot.
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>>63364146
This is one of the very few times in my life that I actually laughed at a pic posted on /g/.

Oh god, it's not real, is it?
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>>63364146
what a trade
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Which color should I go for my Sturmanskie?
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>>63364212
pic related. Pls answer 1,2,3 or 4 since I'm shit with colors.
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>>63364146
no way. that must be a prank. Holy fuck. im crying.
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>>63364212
2 imo. Pretty universal color and its a classic look.
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>>63364212
>>63364229
1 and 3

there are the off black colors compliment the dial better than brown
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>>63364229
did someone with cerebral palsy try and re lume that watch?
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>>63364483
it's called Soviet Union.
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>>63363876
is that you archii? ROOLLLLEXX!!!
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>>63364585
look at all these FACKIN SHIITTTTERS MATEEE. Russian SHIITERS.
Why dont people just save for a ROOOOOOOLEX
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>>63364546
Dont insult the glory of Putinwatches. Russhit is the best watch maker around. Even slightly better than the great chinks.
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>>63364744
>tfw bought my first Amphibia this week

can't wait
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WATCH-a doing?
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>>63364152
Uhhh you realize those are reflections of the white lettering on the hands, right? Like the while vertical lines are from the white text on the dial. Rolex hands are made out of gold, they would not have machining marks like the chatter marks that you often see on unfinished steel edges.
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>>63364146
what a cuck
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>>63364894
>being this deluded
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Another try, since the last one was the
>Financial Advice Edition
but my post got drowned in shitposting.

While I technically could blow a few k on a watch without it affecting me, I'd rather not.
So what is a watch/watch brand in the hundreds to low k's where you'd see a raise in value as likely?
Assuming I keep the watch for 10 years and then (have to?) sell it, and I'd be OK with spending €50 a year for having a nice watch, but I'd also have to spend a bit for servicing, it should at least keep its value in order for the service costs to be covered by the depreciation I'd be OK with.
E.g. I should have gotten a NOMOS when I first heard about them, when you could get the Tangente for around 1k€. Could probaly easily sell that now for an OK value.
Or looking at shitters, pic related also got quite a bit more expensive during the last years. Should I simply get it now?
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>>63364949
(ouY)
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>>63364949
Can't even see the edges in that pic bucko.

And how about >>63363898
?
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Does anyone have the "beautifully aged bronze casio" screenshot?
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Which watch box looks nicer?

Nipple or Orange?
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>>63364965
>the "A" isn't even filled in properly

lel
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>>63364969
>>63364965
>>63364152
>>63363898
>>63364894
S T O P

T

O

P
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>>63365068
orange
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>>63365068
orange. The other looks like something youd find in a 1960's russian car
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Great. Now the resident troll is shortlisting about Rolex. Let this be a lesson to you /wt/. Don't engage with him, don't feed him (You)s because he's just a troll.
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>>63365197
>losing an argument so you resort to calling others trolls
fuck off faggot. Just because you're too fucking stupid to realize you're a moron with no taste, doesn't mean everyone else needs to be the same.
Sorry you got BTFO so hard pleb.
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>>63364919
The obvious answer in the price range you are looking for is vintage watches, as there are lots of late pre-quartz era mechanicals you can get for under $1k that are pretty much guaranteed to appreciate over a 10 year time span. The issue is to educate yourself enough about those models that you are able to independently judge condition, originality and price so you don't get ripped off and having access to a reliable independent watchmaker to service them.
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>>63365197
*Shitposting
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>>63364919
not ever buy a luxury item expecting it to go up in value. Thats a losing bet. Just get a reliable watch you find attractive that is at a price point your financials allow dumping the amount of money on it.
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>>63365068
The bottom one has nipples. Get that.
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>tfw one guy with an omega gets so offended at criticism he can't stop troll posting every thread

At least most people here are sane, nice, and helpful.
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oh my fucking GOD can't we have ONE FUCKING THREAD that just doesn't devolve into shitposting and people falling for the bait

RIGHT

How do you make a NATO shorter? I'm a bit of a wristlet and I have a lot of spare band when I wear my watch

(not my picture but you get the idea) It's just a normal nylon NATO band
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>>63365340
Find a coin size that matches the curve of the end of the strap, use it as a template to cut the strap to a shorter length while keeping the same end shape, then use a soldering iron to heat fuse the new edge. A lighter will work in a pinch but is way less controllable and precise than a soldering iron.
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>>63365302
>excusing the baiter who shitposted the past 3 threads with reposts and replica "proof" of quality

we know its you trying to get a last hit in
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>>63365340
cut it with a coin and scissors and then use a lighter to melt the tip
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>>63365361
Should I keep the coin on the strap when I fuse it or just do it without it?
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>>63365384
looks like im retarded and didnt see
>>63365361
But this is correct info. There are youtube tutorials too.
Also mark it with a marker or something and see if you really want it at that length.
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>>63365401
that's nice
where did you get it?
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>>63365391
no coin needed. it just melts the strays at the end so it forms a solid ending and wont fray. dont melt it too much, just a little at the end.
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>>63365401
>tfw SACtus is the best seiko 5's line.
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>>63365413
alright I'll buy a lighter tomorrow and I'll let /wt/ know how it goes
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>>63365391
It's only needed when you cut it as a template for getting the same shape. You can remove it prior to fusing the end.
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It is honestly quite simple. If you pay less money for a modern watch, then the following happens:
If Swiss you get a shittier case
If Japanese you get a shittier movement

The only way to get both for cheap is to buy older seiko, because vintage Swiss tends to be a bit expensive unless It's some beat to fuck old Rolex, and an old Seiko tends to have a good movement from before they got gimped to 6r15.
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>>63363726
What are some essential and cool digital (quartz) watches to have for a collection?
I'll use my Casio a158 as a start.
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I ordered a few more Citizens from Yahoo.jp.
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>>63365411
Thanks.

I got it at a little antique shop in Tokyo. It was in real shitty condition when I got it. With a new glass and a new strap I'm very happy with it.
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>>63365505
what
>>63365486
F91w and that worldtimer
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>>63365401
>DAINI SEIKOSHA
>5ACTUS
Very good.
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>>63365521
>>63365521
well it's a beauty
how much did you pay for it, the new crystal, and how much did you pay for the crystal to be replaced?
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Well looks like I fucking jinxed it last thread by saying Seiya always slips through customs somehow. Normally the tracking status always goes from further processing in Mississauga to our for delivery. Now it’s changed to ‘Sent to Customers for further processing’. Now I probably won’t get it today and will have to pay import.
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>>63365595
oh no. that blows. This if for that sweet ass dolce?
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Actually the jewery store I work at just added Citizen to our lineup. Finally a brand that's not complete chink shitter, so I don't have to lie about it.
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To all you people that own expensive watches, how much did you have in the bank/earn a year when you bought your first 3-5k watch?
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>>63365581
I paid about $40. Bought a new blue strap online for $40. Got it serviced at Waco Ginza for about $50, that included the new crystal.
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>>63365673
what brands did you have before

>>63365595
unlucky dude
do you just have to pay tax on it, or do you have to pay bullshit like "import port handling fee" and "HMRC fee" that turns £3 in tax to £15 in bullshit
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>>63365699
well sounds like a bargain to me
how accurate is the movement?
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go to sleep wake up look at thread. Devolved into absolute chaos and shitposting. Someone said it was likely someone in a different timezone. I would assume we are talking about someone living in at least utc +5.
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>>63365699
Jesus Christ they serviced the movement AND put in a new crystal for $50?
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>>63365714
I'm UTC +8 but it appears every single time I look at the thread, when I wake up, at lunch, at dinner, and just before sleeping, it's a shitfest

This one seems a bit more civil
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>>63363733

Any advanced manufacturing country could make Swiss or Japanese tier watches. It's whether they can actually establish themselves and make money.

Canada could make watches. But you can imagine how hard it would be for them to get into the business.
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>>63365401
That dial is really nice
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>>63364069
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WHAT THE FUCK?

have these people seen a watch before?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>63364839
you plan on buying MORE? i like mine but come on, you don't need more than 1. they only sell 1 type of movement in the amphibia anyway.

also, if you didn't buy from meranom and get a stainless steel crown, you failed anon
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>>63363876

So spherical.
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>>63365714
Just the same guy over and over. He did it last thread when someone insulted omega in that one too.
Idk why he does it every thread. Just for lulz i guess.

Worst part about it is we had such a productive thread until he came in insults blazing and now we all get to wake up to a half baked boring shitslinging fest.
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>>63364839
which one you get?
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>>63365719
I don't know how accurate it is. Seems fine to me.
>>63365719
yeah, man. I kept the receipt. Can't read all the moon runes, though.
>>63365738
Thanks
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>>63363876
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>>63365736
Same here. Some dude lives in the third world and loves to troll this thread every single time around the same time of day.
almost all of the /wt/ threads start off nice and then someone inevitably gets triggered around 200 posts into the thread. Cycle of life and death continues
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>>63364919
>a fake seagull
kek

i have a seagull (vintage though, only modern one i'd get is the moonphase chrono, but its become overpriced due to demand) but pls don't buy that. it's not made by seagull, its made by Dave in his shed in Mozambique.

seagull sells one, but it costs like £400 (imo not worth it at all) so you're better off just avoiding them all together.

unless of course you already bought one, in which case, sorry Dave cucked you with his IMITATION CHINESE WATCH/chink penis
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>>63365758
>get a stainless steel crown
what do you mean by this? don't they come with steel crowns?
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>>63365777
Post the receipt anyway
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>>63365784
>>63363933
>>63365761
hope you guys realize that pic is like 3 years old now? None the less it always makes me laugh.
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>>63365300
>>63365068
the nipple one looks like its made of neckbeard ass leather and is covered in pustules. get the orange anon.
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>>63365673
Citizen has so much potential if they could just hire a few half decent watch designers and make a few lines that don't look like complete mallwatches. Their quality is quite decent, but the looks are SO BAD.
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>>63365777
post the receipt and your nudes.
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>>63365401
if i'm already getting vintage then i'd rather get something with some significance to the seiko lineup
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>>63365737
Well, not quite. Japan, Germany and Switzerland have skilled watchmaking workforces. You'd have trouble with hiring skilled watchmaking labour elsewhere.
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>>63365777
I can't believe they serviced it and replaced the crystal for $50! I though I was getting a good deal to have an excellent independent watchmaker that does services for $150.
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>>63365401
can my marMEMEmaster count as a 5eiko? shits amaaaazing. 8L ftw
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>>63365700
Casio, Lorus, Roamer and Doxa were all fine quality and reliability-wise. Doxa is a bit overpriced but that's it. Q&Q is mostly fine as cheap beaters, but we had complaints before of water flooding, and excessive wear with "gold" PVD.

Daniel Klein are fucking DOGSHIT, engineered by retards. Most issues we have with those, but they're insanely popular with normies, so nothing can be done about that. We also have some unknown phantom-microbrand chinkshit, Lumir and D-Ziner, thank god those are disappearing.

We're now adding Citizen, Obaku (some new muh Danish-design, muh Zen mall-brand) and Pulsar.

It's very embarrassing when a shitter watch comes back with a warranty battery change and it falls apart in your hand, and you have to take the blame as a watchmaker instead of pointing fingers at the store and management for stocking up on garbage. Also people are vain and thin skinned, "I'm an idiot I fucked up your watch, we'll replace it under warranty" sounds way better to them than "You're and idiot, you bought a shit watch from us, we'll replace it under warranty with an equally shit one".
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>>63365799
not him but I think lots of Vostok stuff is nickel plated brass
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>>63365646
Unfortunately yes. I wanted to wear it tonight to a dinner as well.
>>63365700
I’m not sure exactly what the percentage is but I think I’ll have to pay a percent for sure. Someone mentioned it might even be 15%.
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>>63365871
Yeah I hate that shit. Every time I order something from outside Canada I have to play the odds of whether I'll get fucked by customs.
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>>63364146
>All these nerds not knowing the original
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>>63365768
This is the problem with anonymous boards I like a lot of you and would love to have civil conversations about watches. I have no problem identifying myself. But I also would never give up my anonymity because If i am being an idiot i don't want someone to be fake nice to me because we some sort of rapport. I suppose dealing with people that have nothing better to do than fucking up so benign conversation about watches is just the price one has to pay.
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>>63363876
That oven mitt looks like a fat hand
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>>63365799
(him) nope. The bezel and crown are both plated brass. here's my personal one with both replaced (got the stainless crown for $5, and paid $5 for installation, so like £55 empire bucks, then like £20 for the bezel from ebay).

unless you bought an SE model, those have steel crowns (but are made with chinese cases)
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>>63365802
>>63365819
only because you guys are being so uncommonly nice to me.

>>63365829
I just wanted to get something cheap I could use as a beater. I would have bought a new Seiko 5 but the new ones don't have kanji date wheels.
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>>63365758
They have two movements and various case shapes and dials. You can buy 2 and you are still only 140 dollars in. So yeah it snot really abnormal to have 2 or 3 vostoks.

>>63365758
I personally don't like the stainless crown but hey to each their own

>>63365799
The crown is brass and steel they sell ss crowns which cost the same amount as the traditional crown but look different.

>>63365870
Only the classic komandirskie.
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>>63365952
its nice looking, but with the LM 36000 at like $200 on yahoo.jp, i feel like i'd rather save for that.

still, i like the uniqueness, as i've never seen that before (unlike the LM)
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>>63365922
why are SS crowns essential when the case is already fine with brass? that SS crown looks off color with the rest of the watch.
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>>63365922
Many new bezels are stainless steel.

The crown is not plated it is stainless steel sheet that has been stamped instead of machined and has a brass stem holder in the center.

The se models do not use chinese cases but other chinese parts the movements and cases are the only Russian parts.
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>>63365914
(Hiroshima I'm not saying this should be done but) sometimes I think some generals would benefit quite a bit from having IDs for the duration of one thread

Obviously this would mean some people would make threads with IDs for no reason so you would need to work around this somehow
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>>63365999
because plating rubs off, and on a tool watch, that's bad, on a dress watch not so bad.
>>63366001
The models that everyone buys still have brass bezels, and they used to have brass crowns. They may not have them now but they did when i bought mine in april.
as far as the SE, it having chinese parts at all makes it pretty uninteresting to me but sure
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I like how much LM talk there is in this thread.
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>>63366022
i should clarify "the models everybody buys" tend to be the 420 and 090
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>>63366033
might ask goy claws for one for christmas, but not sure where i would get one serviced for a reasonable price.

being an adult and getting christmas presents is the most comfy thing ever.
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>>63366022

The crown is not brass it is stainless steel but sheet instead of machined.
https://meranom.com/en/amphibian-classic/spare-parts/vostok-watch-crown-for-vostok-amphibian-71-42-96-cases.html

Only about half the models still have brass bezels at this point but mine also came with a brass bezel. I don't care about the se models at all but honestly every company from seiko to omega uses Chinese parts in their watches at this point. The only good thing about the se's besides the lume and bracelets and dial designs is the hand picked more accurate movements.
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>>63366051
Speaking of service, is it a good idea to service Jap watches in Japan? I visit here every once in a while and just wondering if it'll be cheaper than in Europe.
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>>63366051
> sure where i would get one serviced for a reasonable price.
If you are in Canada I know just the guy. If not you are going to have to find a local skilled independent watchmaker.
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>>63366022
so the only reason to get a steel crown is cosmetic? the rest of the case will rub off anyway
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>>63366092
the amphibia case is steel, so no.

the komandirskie case is plated
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>>63366092

NO
The case is stainless steel
the crown is already steel it is not brass that person does not know what they are talking about. If you got an old amphibia model the bezel may be plated brass. Nothing is rubbing off i have a 30 year old 960 and the bezel was fine but you can replace it in 10 seconds by popping it off. He is talking about you getting a machined instead of stamped steel crown because he likes the way it looks.
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>>63366066
i wouldn't know. i've only serviced low value but horologically important stuff so far, and i have a local guy i go to for that since he does £30 movement services.
>>63366072
the UK unfortunately. think i know someone who (based on the prices i've seen here) i now realise is a pretty good deal though
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>>63365413
>All this weaponized thermonuclear autism over high magnification macro shots and nobody comments on how fucking awful polished lugs look especially next to a brushed bracelet
Literally every watch has the top of the lugs brushed and the sides polished why would Omega do that shit it looks dumb.
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>>63366137
i noticed. but its swatch group so who gives a fuck about it anyway?
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>>63366137
FUCK
I'm going to be looking for that in /wt/ threads for the next 6 weeks
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>>63365252
>The obvious answer in the price range you are looking for is vintage watches, as there are lots of late pre-quartz era mechanicals you can get for under $1k that are pretty much guaranteed to appreciate over a 10 year time span.
which ones, for example?
>The issue is to educate yourself enough about those models that you are able to independently judge condition, originality and price so you don't get ripped off and having access to a reliable independent watchmaker to service them.
Yeah, that's probably something to consider too.

>>63365263
>not ever buy a luxury item expecting it to go up in value.
>Just get a reliable watch you find attractive that is at a price point your financials allow dumping the amount of money on it.
Yeah, but >can and >want are two different things.
Take for example pic related. I can piss away the 2.5k€ it costs without it affecting me, but I don't want too. If I do so, I'll probably also do it for something else, and something else and a few other things too, and suddenly I realize that I'm now a a stage where I actually get a problem when wasting a few hundred €.
But, if I keep it, for lets say 10 years, and a fancy watch is worth 50€/a to me, and it needs a 200€ service every 5 years, the thing costs me 2500 + 400 = 2900€. I want to spend 50*10 = 500€ for it, so in order for that to work, I'd need to sell it for 2400€, which is not really "up", but it should essentially keep it's value.
AFAIK Rolexes are always a somewhat safe bet, but for example Mühle-Glashütte I don't know much about.
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What can I get if I want a well finished watch but is also a solar quartz?
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>>63366146
>>63366137
It's a fake or a poor brush job.

The shitty troll is posting bullshit all over again.
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>>63365791
>>a fake seagull
>kek
What?
>it's not made by seagull, its made by Dave in his shed in Mozambique.
Who's this dave?
>seagull sells one, but it costs like £400
The one I know is 275€ and the seller seems reputable.
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>>63366107
>>63366114
>>63366022
You're still not clear. Why is the stainless steel crown essential? Isn't the stock crown good enough.
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is there a US seller for vostok?
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>>63366137
The SM 300 master co-axial looks amazing, but I also do wish the tops of those lugs were brushed.

Guess any watchmaker could do it for you in a a few minutes.
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>>63364212
€40 for a strip of leather with a clasp? Are you high?
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Anyone know much about this bad boy?
Unimatic Modelo uno
It looks nice but I'm unsure of the quality and I don't want to drop $500+ on shit.
I like the simple, matte aesthetic so any similar suggestions are welcome too.
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>>63366193
It's straight from the omegaforums moron.
Jesus christ can you not restrain your autism for two seconds?

The pics are from some idiot that had them brushed at an AD because he "liked the look"
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>>63365739
That was me who posted that retarded shit. And apparently not. Actually pisses me off, these lads work at a fucking watch boutique and don't know shit, it's insulting. Never buying from an AD.

Like honestly how do you fuck up a strap switch this bad? I actually just ended up buying the same strap online, they offered to "compensate" but at this point I never want to walk in there again.
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>>63366266
>I'm a fucking retard and can't read

>>or a poor brush job

You're still an idiot misrepresenting trying to pass off bullshit.
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>>63366251
Meranom even though he's Russian
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I've got a hundred dollars. What watch do I buy?
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>>63366193
nope. it just looks that shit. not sure if the original railmaster was like that or not, could be why, but as i said, i'd rather an actual swiss watch (and you could have most of them at the price of that thing).
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>>63366157
Stick to a nice vintage Rolex. Like a 1601 or a 1603. They retain their value great. Or maybe a 6694 if you're okay with 34mm. If you want to stay cheaper... you could get a used Sinn 104. I actually made a few hundred off of mine a few years ago. They're really in demand.
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>>63366219
as i said, its not made by seagull. may be a seagull movement but seagull does not produce them (the seagull model has different hands)

the reissue is not made by seagull. they sell one now, but they did not introduce it.

unless it comes from seagull its not by seagull, hence a fake seagull.

dave is the random chinese man assembling them for 50p a day
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>>63366266
The Spectre edition comes with an all-brushed bracelet, and still has polished lugs.
It looks pretty much exactly like that one.
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>>63366283
(((U)))
No one is misrepresenting anything. Its an extremely common thing people do because the big polished center links look very out of place.
Plus the spectre is brushed too. So please stop trolling.
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>>63366250
i guess so. it looks cheap (they sent it to me) but i guess its fine (i was under the assumption that it was plated, since it looks exactly like the chrome on my raketa and the plated bezel and unlike any steel i've ever seen).
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>>63366265
that has the same movement an 80 dollar invicta has and costs over 500 dollars. Does that sound like a good deal to you?
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>>63365567
How much do those go for? Looks like the same indices and hands used on a KS I used to own.
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>>63366313
>blind or a retard

even >>63366266 it was a shitty brush job. you clueless trolls need to learn to fuck off.
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>>63366340
I just thought seagull was producing them for a tiny company in Hong Kong, that has bought the rights for a re-issue.
You got any links for that?
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>>63365401
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>>63366378
>>63366193
>>63366283
??¿¿explain??
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Guys please stop engaging with the dude trolling over the omega posts. He is a known troll and will just ruin this thread like the last.
PLEASE.
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>>63364839
Did you get the master race ministry case scuba dude?
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>>63366066
Nah, just get them serviced locally. There's usually someone who can do it.
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>>63366368
Which Invicta uses the Miyota 9xxx? As far as I was aware it was only the Miyota 82xx that was use din Invictas?
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>>63366033
What about LM Specials?
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>>63366334
Was thinking about that too, but a nice vintage Rolex would still be a
>Rolex
and that's a bit to status-symbol for me, unless I get a really shitty, bleached out and scratched to hell one that looks so broken that no one would either think I'm showing off, or wearing a fake.
Why the 1601/03 though? Isnt' that the datejust? If I go Rolex, I'd probably go full on Submariner/Seadweller/Daytona.
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>>63366424
The unimatic modelo uno uses an nh35 seiko movement which is used in the most common ob version of the invicta everyone buys.
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>>63366433
Fair enough. Rolex just tends to keep their value well and that extends to their vintages as well, but vintage is kind of finicky... you have to know what you're looking for, cause when if it comes time to sell someone will call out unoriginal parts for you.

You seem to like sportier watches, so I'd say Sinn 104 or a Seamaster 2531 if you don't want to spend too much. There's also the Oris Aquis (these usually sell quickly on preowned) or the Oris Sixty Five.
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>>63366381
A lot of what was said was bullshit. First off, Seagull does not sell them anymore let alone for 400 euros. They are not sold my seagull anymore period. The way to check is by the crown if it is signed by seagull. Regardless of what people say if it's 19 Jewels or the other number that doesnt matter. Both are not original seagull regardless of jewel count. The guy who makes them now is named Thomas, not Dave. You can email him directly but it is still cheaper to buy them through watchunique. The QC is actually better now than when Seagull sold them because Thomas does it now but that is anecdotal from what I've heard so don't quote me on it.
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>>63365401
waiting for a grey perlon to match with this,hope it'll work
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>>63366033
>>63366432
The LM Special line, while great, is totally unrelated to the Lord Marvel line.

The Lord Marvel line was a mid-range Suwa Seikosha line in the 1960s that was used as a test bed by Suwa for developing a production 36,000 bph movement prior to trying to use a high-beat in their high-end line (i.e. Grand Seiko). To keep costs down the used an existing case for a mid-range watch, and designed the movement without hacking or a date function to keep the engineering challenge focused on the high-beat aspect. As it turned out, the watches were so successful that Suwa kept production going all the way from 1967 until the late 1970s (it was actually one of the laste mid to high end production mechanicals from either Seiko division while quartz came to dominate the range).

While Suwa tended to design movements that ended up lacking long term reliability, the 5740C in the Lord Marvel 36,000 turned out to be an absolute home run design and is one of the most reliable vintage Suwa Seikosha calibers. This combined with the fact that the model was produced essentially unchanged for 10 years means that there are lots of them out there and so you can find them for a decent price today and on the off chance you need a parts donor, grunged up examples can be found for cheap.

The LM Special line, on the other hand, was produced by Daini Seikosha in the early 1970s based on the final production automatic caliber they designed in the pre-quartz era, the famous 52xx. It was, in many ways, basically Daini's ETA 2892-A2. A caliber with such good inherent accuracy that it has a half decent chance of passing chronometer testing in barely adjusted mid-range form (like the LM Specials using the 5206 and 5216), and is capable of outrageous accuracy in more heavily adjusted form (The Chronometer 5245s and 5246s as well as the Special Chronometer 5256s).
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>>63366566
Give it a fucking rest, fatty
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Is citizen exceed good?
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>>63366566
Continuing: The 52xx is robust, has excellent inherent accuracy, and a good power reserve and was so well regarded that when Seiko wanted to get back into the mid to high end production mechanical game in the late 1990s they dusted off the 52xx movement essentially unchanged and started making it as the 4s15. Eventually they decided that the movement was so good that it should be moved upmarket to the Credor brand and is now only used in Credor's production models.

LM Specials are fun to collect because there are so many of them around you can get them for dirt cheap and a lot of them have similar austere Daini style Grammar of Design styling to the King Seiko line (in fact a few of the LM Special cases are 100% identical in appearance to their King Seiko counterparts). I've handed a few of them and every one I've dealt with has performed amazingly well once serviced considering these were adjusted to a supposed -10 to +15 accuracy standard in period. None of the of the ones I've put on my timegrapher have ever had a maximum positional error delta that exceeded their supposed average accuracy rating. My 5206-6020, for example, runs between -10 and +15 in all six positions.
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>>63366566
checkd. Nice post canacuck.
Lord marv's are such a fucking steal on ebay. I reccomend everyone get one while supplies last.
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>>63366658
fuck off back to hodinkee faggot
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>Omega haters
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>>63363734
why even bother putting effort on the dial when they dont AR coat the crystal?
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>>63366589
>>63366685
>>63366695
>>63366710

can you all just fucking stop please
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>>63366735
dont feed the troll. It was a really good post. Id screencap it for later but im on mobile

t.someone who doesnt even like canacuck but isn't a nitwit

>>63366710
they dont ar coat because they design their watches to last a very long time and ar coating is much more prone to scratches, and specifically ones you cant really buff out without fucking up the entire look. The only place they do use ar coating is on the underside of the cyclops where it wont be exposed. Their crystals do fine with reflection anyway because of their domed angle.
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>>63364146
skx absolutely confirmed for cuckwatch
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>>it's okay when rolex does it

>>63363898
>>63364152
>>63364965
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>>63366793
that's actually a poorly made fake image

the real one got a post-vasectomy turtle
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>>63365595
Damn man.
I'm looking at a piece on seiya for the EU but in NL we pay 21% fucking VAT on that shit plus DHLjew handling tax.
Are there any tips of having it slip through?
Any euro bros here?
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>>63366695
A few threads ago some Omega hater was whining about that border between brushed and polished circled in blue in the bottom pic (SM300).

My god the autism.
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>>63366566
That's why I asked...
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>>63366658
Canuck-anon do you know how easy it is for a watchmaker to fix the 5206 if the day wheel doesn't work properly?
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>>63366979
What issue are you having with the day wheel? Given how inexpensively you can get beat up 5206 powered watches, this is a case where I'd normally buy a spare watch with the same movement in running condition with a known working quick-set and then give it to the watchmaker as a parts donor.
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>>63366979
Not him but since it's plastic chances are its cracked. If thats the case you might just need a replacement. Impossible to tell without knowing the extent of the damage but I could be wrong.
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>>63367029
>Not him but since it's plastic chances are its cracked. If thats the case you might just need a replacement. Impossible to tell without knowing the extent of the damage but I could be wrong.
You're thinking of the Suwa Seikosha produced 56xx that has the plastic gear in the quick-set mechanism that tends to shrink and crack with age causing the quick-set to fail. That issue does not occur on the 52xx as it does not have any plastic gears in the quick-set mechanism.
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>>63366306
Times expedition or Seiko 5
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>>63367029
i thought that one wasnt a plastic mechanism? or am i stupid?
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>>63366979
>>63367028
Oh and there used to be one (1) NOS 52xx day wheel available from a watch parts supplier in Sweden, but I already found it and bought it a while back and it's in >>63366658
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>>63367095
He was thinking of the Suwa Seikosha 56xx, which is the movement that has that issue, not the Daini Seikosha 52xx, which does not have that issue.
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>>63367028
It doesn't change over fully, it only goes about halfway. I can manually change it but it doesn't click into place, it's more freewheeling.
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>>63367148
Yeah, that's a situation where you want to buy a cheap cosmetically beat up donor with a known-working movement because you have no way of knowing what parts may or may not need replacing. You can get donors off Yahoo! Japan Auctions for $50 or even less, typically.
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>>63367165
Okay thanks I'll have a look.
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>>63367148
Open it up and take a gentle peak at it? chances are one of multiple possibilites bent in the movement when messing with the crown sometime in the past.
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>>63367195
I'd probably fuck it up even further.
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>>63366164
Oceanus
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>>63366658
Is the 52xx/4s15 better than one of the 6rxx that has 28000 bph or are they about the same quality?
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Anon who got the ghost swatch, how has the band held up? I've heard they can dry out over time.
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>>63366852
>21%
COT DAMN this is why I try to buy locally
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>>63366373
Dirt cheap, but I bought this one locally. Dead guys family wanted to pawn it, I told them I'll buy it off them.

I don't understand how someone in the 1970's communist-bloc could get a JDM Seiko, family told me the guy never went abroad ever.
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>>63366695
Give me the Rolex equivalent of this. I'll wait.
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Can someone please explain to me why everytime i go to bed, the /wt/ thread devolves into a massive shit show? without fail, once the thread gets long enough late at night in the west, it just turns to a horror show.

I come here because people are actually honest unlike the /r/watches hugfest. There isnt any need to get SOOOOO mad over watches...
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Good morning wt
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>>63367419
Wherever you go on 4chan, there is always going to be bickering over different brands/movies/operating systems/music/anime. However /wg/ is actually really decent for the most part. People who tend to like watches usually have good taste and manners.
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>>63367419
Someone mentioned it must be some slant-eyed rice nigger in a mud hut living somewhere around UTC+8.

I'm UTC+1 master race, so I'll keep an eye out late at night.
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>>63366827
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9odYDqdrM8
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>>63367433
Hey bruh, your shirt is too large.
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>>63367461
>>63367419
it's just that one forced omega/swatch/seiko male meme baiter who keeps posting reps and the same pictures over and over again.
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>>63367389
Sure
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>>63363759
The problem with china is that they simply do not give a fuck. At least cheap japanese watches work and have a minimum QC standard, chinese watches have no QC at all regardless of the price point. It's a problem inherent to their culture.
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>>63367512
fuck that's janky. did they buff it with sandpaper
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>>63366695

What are you even trying to show here? It's two different watches, how do we know that the explorer isn't used/worn? It's very possible thats a scuff. Fuck off to your 90000th seiko with a misaligned chapter ring.

It's clear the seikomale is trying to turn everyone against one another.
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>>63367461
UTC -6 faggot here. I bet its one of omegas factory workers in china. They probably feel they get no respect for their glorious creation of decent omega parts

>>63367511
found him
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>>63366827

>emasculated
>$275 padi

jfc
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>>63367433
sweet watch. cuff is either way to big or unbuttoned?
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>>63367512
I stand corrected.
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>>63367071
how good is the expedition scout for a budget watch?
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>>63366827
>every time cuck looks at his watch he's reminded of being an equivalent of an eunuch or a chopped-off balls cat
>"Hey Seiko, what time is it?"
>"NOT REPRODUCING TIME!!!!"
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>>63367550
>entire border between brushed and polished
>"it's a scuff"
lol

>It's clear the seikomale is trying to turn everyone against one another.
Nah.
I like Omega and Rolex for different reasons, my point is people shouldn't go to extremes to point out so-called flaws with Omegas that are actually done extremely well.
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>>63367600
>seinfeld theme song earrape
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Went from -2s from atomic yesterday to 0s today. This watch is doing okay.
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>>63363876
lose some weight, my dude
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>>63367578
It's a little too big, though the effect is obviously enhanced since I pulled it back and tucked it under the watch for the photo.
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>>63367581
It's fine.
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>>63367628
Nice, congrats anon.
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A gift from /k/
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>>63367552
>all this cringe and autism

lmao take your pills clueless armchair sherlock
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Do people know you're watch collectors? How do other people react? Everytime i talk about watches to people no one cares
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I'm looking for a vintage automatic dress watch, preferably 1960s era Swiss. This is because I am poor and can't afford a modern Swiss mechanical.

Any ideas on what I should be going for?
Do watches from this era still work well, or do they need constant servicing to keep them afloat?
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>>63367697
I think Swiss automatic dress watches of the 60's are going to be expensive, since thin automatic movements were pretty much rocket surgery back then. You're better off looking for hand-winding dress watches.
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>>63367697
Give a price range.
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>>63367697
>1960s era Swiss
Omega. not only do they work well they work better than most other modern watches in their price range. Now, you will have to service it. How expensive are you thinking?
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>>63367697
Vintage 60's and 70's omegas are amazing also vintage hamilton and longines are quite good too . Whats the price range here?
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>>63367691

2 people at work know I own a Rolex and like watches.

Other than that no one knows and I don't know anyone else who likes watches other than as nigger bling.

Most boomers grew up during or after the quartz crisis so even the grandparent-age people give zero shits about horology.
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>>63367719
Hmm. Alright, fine. I still have to shake my Seiko automatic like a rattle on a regular basis, so hand-winding isn't a deal breaker.
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>>63367691
People know ("what are you doing this weekend?" "Oh I'm going to a watch convention", for example), but no one cares about other people's hobbies.
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>>63367697
>vintage automatic dress watch, preferably 1960s era Swiss

You're going to pay $400-1000 for one that isn't dogshit franken. Then you have eat the service costs.

Just buy an Oris, Hamilton or Tissot
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>>63367433
are you in jew york city? If you ever run into a manlet wearing an old soviet dress watch say hi
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>>63367304
The 52xx/4s15 is a better movement than the 6Rxx in all variants. It was designed from the ground up with high-accuracy versions in mind and as a result has much better inherent accuracy, has a screw-type micro-regulator, has a lossier curve on the hairspring, and had instant date change on the 5206/5246.
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>>63367772
Seems like a long shot
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>>63367433
Hey man, were you the one asking about the Girard Perregaux 42.1 last thread?
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>>63367697
> 0-100 dollars
Vintage Russian dress watches
> 100-300
Vintage Longines, or vintage Gerard Perregaux if you can find it that low
> 300-1000
Vintage Omega, a decent one.
> 1000-3000
Vintage Jaeger LeCoultre, Omega Constellation with a 55x or 56x movement, or a vintage Rolex. Also Piaget has some nice vintages.
> More prestige
Vintage Vacheron Constatin or Audemars Piguet
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>>63367731
>>63367732
>>63367743
$600 at the high end. I'm all in favouring of cutting it down lower.

>>63367765
That's acceptable. Is there a guide out there to what servicing entails, usual costs, etc?

>>63367812
Taking notes, thank you
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>>63367805
Yes
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>>63367628
Very nice.
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>pictures of the Presage Snowflake is out

looks pretty nice
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Do you lads wear your watches at home?
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>>63367812
This is pretty good, nice work anon
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>>63367796
you're a long shot! btw you ever count those gear teeth?
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>>63367856
Yes
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>>63367765
>Just buy an Oris, Hamilton or Tissot
What awful advice.
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>>63367856
fucking right i do.
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>>63367873
Definitely not yet. I'm traveling for the next few weeks.
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>>63367856
Always except shower and sleeping.
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>>63367886

ill try to find some info when i have time. worst case ill just pick one up.
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>>63367880
>because a 34mm beat to shit vintage watch you to overhaul is so much better
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>>63367856
ALL the time and everywhere just not to sleep.
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>>63367825
>$600 at the high end. I'm all in favouring of cutting it down lower.
You can find Omega 564 powered models on Yahoo! Japan Auctions in that budget, though you'd need to use a proxy bidding service like ZenMarket or Buyee to bid over there.

The most important rules when it comes to vintage watches are to do your own independent research on the model(s) you are interested in until you learn enough to independently judge the condition, originality and pricing of examples you see online or you will almost certainly get scammed. Second is that you need to find a reputable local independent watchmaker with experience servicing vintage watches.
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>>63367854
Details? Size? Price?
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>>63367750
Where do you live that you get to go to watch conventions?

Also i'll use this as a question for Canadabro, are there any good horology related events in southern ontario? I am willing to drive to Toronto.
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>>63367916
Go away, literally no one in /wt/ likes you and you are wrong about absolutely everything.
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>>63367854
Wow what size is that?
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>>63367947
>waaa he's not adhering to my echochamber

you're the only who's getting buttdevastated :^)
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>>63366566
So if you can get a Lord marvel for a few hundred why would anyone get a gs or credor?
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>>63367942
>>Also i'll use this as a question for Canadabro, are there any good horology related events in southern ontario? I am willing to drive to Toronto.
Not that I'm aware of, but I'll look into it and mention it on /wt/ if I find anything.
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>>63367863
>>63367825

Also vintage Seiko!

You can get a nice King Seiko well under 600.
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>>63368002
Toronto bro here too. Wish there was events like that here too.

If you lads want a nice buying and selling forum, canwatchco.ca is like watchuseek but for Canadians. Sold a lot of watches on here, everyone was really nice.
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>>63367942
Most recently went to watchtimenyc, had a blast. Met Kari Voutilainen, tried on the new zenith oscillator, talked to Romain Gauthier about balance wheel design, checked out an eichi ii, etc. Also went to the patek exhibit a while ago. Hodinkee has some events but haven't made it to any.
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>>63367996
>So if you can get a Lord marvel for a few hundred why would anyone get a gs or credor?
First of all there is brand name recognition and prestige. Because Grand Seiko still exists as a brand today, far more people are familiar with it and go looking for vintage examples. You can commonly see the same effect with vintage Swiss watches, where rbands that are still in existence today command significant premiums over brands that don't, even where they use the same ebauche movements.

Secondly, vintage Grand Seikos had more high end exterior finishing and had cases designed in the Grammar of Design style, but they also have movements that had a LOT more additional adjustment labour spent on them (that is, expert watchmakers spending time manually tuning the shape of the hairspring to optimize timekeeping performance) that means vintage Grand Seiko (and King Seiko) movements can be extraordinarily accurate even today. This parallels Omega 56x series watches with the chronometer certified movement variants going for quite a bit more than their non-chronometer cousins.
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>>63368070
Lucky bastard. Voutilainen is probably my favorite independent watchmaker. That dude's exterior finishing blows my mind.
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>>63367838
Right, so I did a little digging and from what I can tell the 42.1 appears to be a direct revision of the 32a that adds hacking. I haven't found anything to indicate that a chronometer 42.1 would in any way expected to be technically inferior or perform worse than a 32a. You've probably already seen all the articles I could find but I'll give you the links anyway just in case:

https://www.fratellowatches.com/insiders-story-the-1967-girard-perregaux-gyromatic-chronometer-hf-calibre-32a/

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/girard-perregaux-1966-50th-anniversary-automatic-hands-on

http://forums.watchuseek.com/f11/thoughts-girard-perregaux-gp-chronometer-hf-show-tell-1170298.html
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Do you guys wear your watch above the wrist bone (closer to hand) or below it (away from hands)?
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>>63368119
God I love big orange numerals.

Is there a medium-luxury watch that has them? Say around $5k?
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>>63368210
A watch should be worn behind the wristbone.
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>>63368210
>Do you guys wear your watch above the wrist bone (closer to hand) or below it (away from hands)?

There isn't a choice. People that you see wearing their watch on their hand have brain damage.
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>>63368119
I much preferred the dufour duality finishing, but I concede Kari's dials are very cool - just not my style. I really liked the LM series he worked on with MB&f though.
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>>63368210
Below. Gets in the way of the joint otherwise.

It's kind of a black mark against Seiko that they design their watches so that they can be worn above the wristbone without the knob digging into the skin. It's just the rest of the watch that digs into the skin.
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>>63368236
>I much preferred the dufour duality finishing
Can't argue with that.
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>>63366783
>The only place they do use ar coating is on the underside of the cyclops where it wont be exposed
No they fucking don't
Oris only does the underside and there's a clear difference in clarity if you put the aquis and sub next to each other
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>>63368202
Thanks. I'm still trying to get a handle on production years and quantities of 42.1 movements but no luck yet.
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>>63366827
This is fucking hilarious
No wonder the seiko dive watch "community" is so garbage
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Sup /wt/, as per your suggestion I got a terrorist watch. I must admit it's handy even outside the use I planned for it. The lighting is really retardedly dim, still it's something that costed me 10 bucks, I can't really complain.
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>>63368232
>>63368265

Interesting. I usually wear it above the wrist bone with long sleeves, but below with short sleeves.
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>>63363876
WTF is that poor watch strapped on?
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POP QUIZ
Let's see how enlightened /wt/ is.

What is the single most important thing a luxury wristwatch conveys about its owner?
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>>63368436
Penis size.
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>>63366695
>Pointy elbows 0/10 wouldn't bang
I bet the edges of the hands are jagged too.

>>63367550
It's a 16 year old used watch. Rolex will refinish your watch when you send it in unless you specifically ask them not to so I can only assume it's been polished up before.

I don't know if anyone still remembers watchmaker anon but a while ago he posted a few photos of the cases Rolex provides to watchmaking schools for refinishing practice. It was pretty neat, they do a very good job.

>>63368436
That they're too poor to buy an Apple Watch instead
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>>63368210
>below it (away from hands)
!
How else would that even work?
Above, it'd be right at the joint, causing pain at every single movemnt.
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>>63368436
That they have a lot of money but aren't sure if everyone knows how important they are.

That's assuming they wear it and don't just keep it as a chattel the taxman might overlook.
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>>63368466
>>63368485
>>63368517
Nope.
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Why is this so cheap ? Aren't these like 5000 bucks new ? It's limited edition too and d&s does hand engraving on the movement and hand painted dials...
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>>63368056
Thanks I'll keep that site in mind
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>>63368502
I always wear it above, to me it looks nicer. Also my wrists are fucking retarded, I have a very prominent wrist bone, and right after the bone my arm starts to slope so the only flat part on my arm is above the bone.
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>>63368436
That meanwhile they have the means to buy one, they do not make cost effective choises, which makes it question how were they able to obtain the means for said watch.

or

They need to show their wealth for narcissictic purposes or to brand themselves in a business environment.
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tfw waiting until 1:15 to take pictures of my watches so the hands are not in the way of the dial text
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>>63365302
What anime is this from?
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>get memed on alpha explorer
>really want it
>the website expects you to place an order using fucking http
why
Any actual secure place where I can buy these things? Are they even any good?
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>>63368233
this is correct; also kek @ that file name
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>>63368623
No. The single most important thing.
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>>63368656
You're fine ordering there. The only thing that you're sending plaintext that you might care about is any of the Address stuff / email. The payment is done via paypal so that will not be send via HTTP.
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>>63368691
vanity
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>>63368713
Nope.
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>>63368709
Still, sending my name and address over http seems a little retarded.
And then you guys are gonna make fun of me for buying a fake....
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>>63368436
Answer in next thread somewhere.
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>>63368742
Alpha isn't considered fake, it's considered replica if it hasn't got the Rolex logo, but tries to copy a design
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>>63368637
fist of the northern star.
OMAE WA MOU SHINDEIRU
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When you're all ready

>>63369017
>>63369017
>>63369017
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>>63367524
There is a saying in Mandarin that goes something like "if you can cheat, then you must cheat". China has a fundamentally toxic culture that revolves around cheating and scamming people. And until that culture changes, China will always be in the shadow of the West. Sooner or later, the burden of poorly built infrastructure and shit QC in everything is going to drag them down.

There is a reason why Japanese and German goods are so good; it's because both countries place a huge emphasis on reputation and the consumer bases have a very low tolerance for bullshit and substandard products. Which is why Chinese people show a marked preference for those kinds of products; their desire for shit that works overpowers their nationalist rhetoric.

t. Lived in China for two years. Would not buy their watches.
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>>63368630
Just move them where you'd like, then reset the time.
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>>63369208
It's not that they have a culture around cheating. They don't have business based on contractual law. If you want your house built, you have to speak to a builder, take them for lunch, buy them some presents, agree a price... Just paying for something isn't enough. You have to convince them you're a nice guy and make them indebted to you. Only then will you get good service.




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