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This thread is about the appreciation of horology, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make a fine watch, clock, or other timepiece.

>Required viewing for noobies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBFI8ScdE4E [Embed]

>Strap Guide:
http://pastebin.com/SwRysprE

>Watch essentials 102:
http://pastebin.com/VBAu4Rwi

Previous Thread:
>>63363726
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I really like watches. Thin ones are the best imo.
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I'm looking for something like pic related, I know Geckota makes alright straps, any other tips? I'm not paying >$100 for a strap either though
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>>63369152
From what I've heard, the Geckota ones are the best value for that type of strap.
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It's Speedy Tuesday guys. Common.

Post your speedies.
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>>63369198
Ok.
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>>63369198
I thought it was speedy sunday
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>>63369198
It's not Tuesday.
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>Set Lord Marvel to atomic time about 2 weeks ago
>Has lost 18 seconds in that amount of time

Based 5740C
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>>63369066
why the fuck is it 40mm?
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>>63369250
It seems like it's designed around the location of the sub seconds location on the movement which is an implication of the thin movement and the marker they want at the bottom. Then the distance from the bottom of the marker to the main hands becomes the radius.
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>>63369244
>Based 5740C
My watchmaker (Shane for those of you who know him) raves about how good the 5740C is. It's the strength of his praise for it that got me interested in them.
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>>63369250
Manly wrists need manly sized watches.
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>>63369295
You frickin dufus, I meant why did they design it to by 40mm? It should be a 36mm watch, tops. Why can't fatass wall street faggot just BTFO?
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>>63369152
Hirsch Ranger is pretty nice
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Is the Lord marvel basically an SARB case with an unregulated gs movement?
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>>63369310
t. fatass
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Yo is this shit worth 120 american cuckbucks?
The bracelet is riveted with solid links and solid endlinks. Miyota movement
Also keep in mind that even if I could afford the real thing I could never drop like 5k on a 3 hander, even if the movement is a pinnacle of human engineering.
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>>63369311
And I'm saying it's a conscious design decision to use that gap and marker at the 6 o'clock position and what they have to sacrifice for the movement to be so thin.
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>>63369359
I guess. Still a beautiful watch though.
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>>63369403
Dont get me wrong i agree it should really be smaller. It is a dress watch, not a diver. But it seems like that's what's going on. If the sub seconds edge was the edge of the case at the bottom it could be 2 or 4mm smaller in radius and be 36mm diameter. So to me it seems like a design decision to have that marker at 6.
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>>63369322
>Is the Lord marvel basically an SARB case with an unregulated gs movement?
No. First of all there was much less of a massive gulf in exterior finishing between mid-range production watches and high-end production watches in the late 1960s and early 1970s than there is today.

Secondly, the 5740C was separate movement designed as a test bed for using a 36,000 bph movement in a production watch. The 5740C was only ever used in the Lord Matic 36,000 and not in any other model. After the success of the 5740C Suwa designed other automatic movements using a high beat rate for Grand Seikos, but those designs never equaled the reliability of the 5740C (in significant part because virtually all automatic Suwa Seikosha movement designs have a strong tendency to wear their mainspring barrels leading to eventual amplitude and power reserve issues). There was a manual wind high-beat Grand Seiko, but it was produced by Daini Seikosha and the movement was designed totally independently of the 5740C. The Daini Seikosha 45xx is one of the most inherently accurate production movements of the pre-quartz era, but the total obsession with accuracy over all other considerations means that it has more issues with excess wear today than are typical for Daini designed movements.
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>>63369379
What the hell kind of micro-regulator is that? I've never seen anything like that system.
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>>63369017
Does Squale really deserve all the hate it's getting?
Why trust in Archiephuckery's word?
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Which affordable seiko watches have a perpetual calendar?

if not seiko what is a good affordable mechanical watch with a perpetual calendar ?
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>>63369488
It's a patek
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Thanks to all the photography anons that game me tips last thread. This seems to be the best photo I've gotten with the a6000 so far. Couple things I didn't notice until I opened the photos on my computer was the blurry second hand. This is because the aperture priority set the shutter speed pretty slow so I'm going to tweak the settings some more tomorrow but it's getting better. I am also going to look at getting some soft warm light at some point.

Anwyays pic is most up to date collection minus the Dolce that should arrive this week. The Orient was a gift before you roast me.
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>>63369504
As far as I know Seiko doesn't have a mechanical perpetual calendar. I believe the cheapest perpetual calendar out there is frederique constant, which can be had for just under 6k gray market.
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>>63369493
If you cannot look at Squale's cases and see for yourself how cheap the exterior finishing looks, there is nothing I can say that would convince you.
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>>63369537
Pretty nice anon
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>>63369512
I know, but that doesn't answer my question. I've never seen that type of micro-regulation system before and I was wondering if the person who posted the image knew anything about it.
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>>63369540
>6k

jesus christ

can i get an analog watch with a day date and perpetual calendar that looks mechanical? Like with a steel case?
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>>63369493
Archie is kind of spot on with them. It isn't as chink as he says but they are over priced shitters.
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A few questions for the /wt/ historians:
>Why didn't Seiko ever produce a tuning-form movement?
>With all the obsession with smooth sweep seconds hands, and the decade long development of the Spring Drive why didn't they just make a Grand Seiko tuning-fork movement?
>Can the Spring Drive movement be made cheaply, like for Presage-range watches?
>Will Seiko ever make cheap Spring Drive or will that kill the MUH STATE OF THE ART TECHNOLOGY marketing around the GS SD?
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>>63369542
I just really wish some other reputable company used those same pale blue colors
Really nice actually and the only reason why I would even consider getting a sqeele
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>>63369537
On the bright side although i still need to figure out how to take collection photos the camera takes a nice wrist shot.
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>>63369542
That dial looks like fucking shit. If you wanted a diver with a printed dial may as well have just got an SKX. Looks way better and it's 1/4 of the price.
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>>63369559
Like what about it though? Seems straightforward enough how it works. I think party of it has to do with the geneve seal - if I remember correctly you be some regulation system that has a way to be"locked down" - in other words a standard regulator like this wouldn't do. I assume a standard screw microadjustment would though - don't know why they went with the snail. Looks cool though.
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>>63369356
Is it just made to imitate the riveted look, like what Tudor is doing now? Actual riveted bracelets are a pain in the ass, they're folded links with rivets holding the links together and since it's impossible to undo a rivet you basically have to unfold the link to remove it and then fold it back together when you resize the bracelet. I think Tudor just uses a normal modern solid bracelet but with domed screws to give it a riveted look.

Also, that looks like cheap shit to be honest. If you're so sure you would never ever really want an Explorer then why not just pick something in a similar style that isn't chinkshit? I'd take a Hamilton Khaki or a Seiko SARG or something over that 11 times out of 10.
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>>63369588
I can't answer all your questions, but some points - every tuning fork movement in the world was designed by Max hetzel, either proprietary for a manufacturer (like the megasonic), licensed (like the citizen hisonic), or stolen (like the Slava). Perhaps Seiko want interested in any of those options.

Seiko also had smooth sweep second hands before spring drive, but I don't think it was a big concern for them. Quartz accuracy is also significantly better than tuning fork accuracy.

You also had the Swiss working on spring drive simultaneously with Seiko.
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How glad are you that you don't have to pay the TGV tax for your watches?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JKAm1u0kmc

He actually got quite close with the Casio, thankfully not close enough.
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>>63369642
I'd literally never seen a snail cam regulator until that picture. I googled how it works, but just to double check, is the small screw the lock and when unlocked you use the other divot to move it?
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Anyone want to buy a SARB035? Mint.

I'm not sure if the cream dial did it for me.
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>>63369767
im down
150
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>>63366368
So the >$500 watch has the same movement of the $80 Invicta. Does that necessarily mean the NH35 movement is shit though?
What kind of specs should you expect in a $500 watch?
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>>63369066
>Thin ones are the best imo.
absolutely. thicc watches are bad taste.
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>>63369748
I confess I really don't know, though that seems reasonable. I saw a post on nawcc indicating that usually it's turned either with a screw slot (like the one in the center of the one I posted) or using grooves in the outside of the circle (which the one I posted also has).
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>>63370052
Some cool regulator designs here
http://www.twistoftime.com/2016/08/30/omega-pocket-watch-regulators-in-the-french-line-era/
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Thanks for the watch suggestion guys! it looks great on my wrist.
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postan my sinn since it's germany edition
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>>63369807
Yeah, you know the retail, or at least the cheapest new is worth more
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>>63369017
>Germany version
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>>63369493

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBFI8ScdE4E
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>>63370175
>Anon experiences the hardest lesson in falling for the cheap seiko meme: resale price
Take it. I've had nothing but good experiences selling off /wt/. 150 for a used sarb is probably a little above market price too
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>>63369198
posting the best speedy.
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>>63369493
Oh boy, start another argument about finishings. That would be great.

It looks fine. Everyone needs to stop being so autistic.
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>>63370115
That has to be the unhealthiest forearm ever posted on /wt/.
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>>63369542
>>63369571
>>63370271
>t. plebs who have never had the life changing experince of only having to pay a grand for THE. LION. FISHY.
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New to watch thread, not a watch person. GF just picked this up for me when she was shopping.

Is this watch decent quality or will it fall apart and/or go out of sync quickly.

>pic related
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>>63370244
>150 is above market price
What are you smoking? they go for well over 200 easy dude. Dont try and scam the guy.
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>>63370271
>unironically defending squeal
Ok dude. i believe you.
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https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/behold-the-patek-philippe-wiretapping-device-that-just-sold-at-antiquorum-geneva
wtf
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>>63370349
Where?
Also why would someone buy a used, semen and sweat encrusted sarb for "well over 200" when a new one is just 300 bucks?
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>>63370321
timex is a pretty good brand. youll be ok, but it is FUCKING LOUD. i had to put mine in a dawer at night. good choice
Marry her.
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Anybody know how good the quality is on a DHgate Daniel Wellington fake? Thinking about buying one.
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>>63370365
feel free to look up any listing of a mint used sarb.
Theyre all seilling for 270-300.
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>>63370411
i got one for like 4 bucks and its nearly as good as a real dw. Only problem is the crown sonjust dont fuck with it and adjust the time slowly. Theyre sketch but so are the normal DW's.
also the strap they send with them are worse than trying to wear it with no strap at all. So order a decent one when you order your Denie wallmartton
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>>63370175
People have sold them on leddit for $240 in the last week. I checked just for you.
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>>63370365
keep in mind they jump price as seiko makes more/stops making them for a while. Also popularity.
Lowest ive seen a good one go for was like 230 on /r/watchexchange but some people there are retarded.
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>>63370446
Thanks for the (you)
Where can I get a good replacement band? I kind of like the trip color nylon aesthetic.
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>>63370244
I sold my used SARB for literally 300 USD plus shipping
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>>63370478
>keep in mind they jump price as seiko makes more/stops making them for a while. Also popularity.
bullshit marketing
they said the same shit about the skx when the turtle came out and prices were shooting up to like 300. stop falling for this shit
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>>63370502
just get something decent from cheapnatostraps dot cum.
thats where i get my meme natos from. Toxic natos are great but much more expensive
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>>63370349
I know they do. I'll sell it locally, it was merely a joke posting here. AD's sell them here, at least $350, so I'm good.
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>>63370548
im not. They literally dont send them out that often. so whenever online retailers run out (which happens fast) the prices go up for a bit. thats all.
I sold my beat up pepsi skx for 270 when that happened lol.
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>>63370361
And this is why we can't have nice threads. The meme groupthink has reached critical mass. You literally can't say anything against Seiko, or for Omega or several others without everyone losing their shit. This isn't even comparable to fashion shitters or other subjects which have objective argument points. Veblen goods are a fucking terrible waste of money by definition not worth it. Get your head out of your ass and stop pretending your shiny snake oil rock is better than another shiny snake oil rock.
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>>63370364
Looks good, but how is the movement finishing on this?
I bet Poljot made better devices for the KGB.
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>>63370583
>I sold my beat up pepsi skx for 270 when that happened lol.
fucking kek
seiya, amazon and liw always have them in stock though
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>>63370602
yeah. They usually have them.
Its all the "american" morons like Dong Island Watches that constantly do the "oh whoops we dont have anymore!" and so they can artificially sell them for literally 380.

>>63370594
what the fuck is this projection here?
Calmn down m8. Squale isnt even a good brand to defend. No need to go full autist over one dude shitposting about how they have bad finishing for the price point.
Pick a better hill to die on.
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>>63370594
>Pretending the observable material properties of objects don't exist and everything is a matter of make believe subjective perception
>>>/r/watches is that way
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>>63370594
>DONT INSULT IT!! SQUALE IS A GOOD BRAND!
>ALL WATCHES ARE SHIT ANYONE INCLUDING SQUALE!
come on. This has to be a joke, right?
Stop with your useless shitposting dude. Let me guess, youre that raging lunatic from the last few threads going on and on about how omega secretly doesn't have qc problems and are worth it?
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>>63369300
Yeah he was the one who regulated it. He was talking about what a fantastic movement it is. He also likes the 7018/7016, both of which he describes as "absolutely fucking ingenious".

I have never seen someone so skilled with watches. Especially working on these old Seikos- most watchmakers in Southern Ontario have a serious Seiko allergy and I am sure it's not much different elsewhere. My favourite are the ones who say "I don't work on Seikos because they're garbage" , trying to hide the fact that they don't have the skill to deal with anything beyond your basic ETA 2824.
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>>63370791
>My favourite are the ones who say "I don't work on Seikos because they're garbage" , trying to hide the fact that they don't have the skill to deal with anything beyond your basic ETA 2824
Be glad, because those guys tend to be butchers.
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>>63370321
i've had a timex expedition for a couple of years now and i can't fault it
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>>63369332
Is there any cheap alternatives of this watch? I love it but it's too expensive
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For the Anon who was looking for reading materials - I just read through the regulator section here and it was pretty decent; other parts of it until assume are as well.
http://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/watchmovement.php
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>>63370791
Shane did yours too? What’s your winding schedule? Once a day to full?
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>>63370851
No. There's the Accurist celestial for under $300 which does constellations, but not planets.
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>>63370718
>artificially sell them for literally 380.
exactly
that anon selling his sarb can wait all week trying to make his 300 back but it wont work on anyone here.
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>>63370883
If you want to make money quickly just go raffle it on edc_raffle. Since the slots are so cheap they always fill on a SARB and you can get 300 easy
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>>63370729
>>63370766
>>63370718
dont feed this guy more (u)'s all he does is cry about omega and random shit.
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>>63370115
Dear God... Don't that hurt?
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>>63370166
I don't like Sinn watches, but it looks great with that strap.
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Just for my own curiosity. I’d assume this is an older thread in terms of age demographic

http://www.strawpoll.me/14402216
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>>63370924
this 100x
Ive seen groups waaay over pay for things there because they dont understand how gambling works. Honestly its a subreddit for moron buyers and smart sellers
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>>63370321
It's a nice tool watch. Tell your girlfriend that you were complimented on it.
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>>63371030
only people who go on 4chins are young and the people on /g/ and specifically on /wt/ are probably in the older of the young folks. i myself am only 27.
If anyone was old here we'd see some amazing watches, but we dont.
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>>63370166
Interesting that you both chose the 556i rather than the regular 556 dial design. I've always liked the numeral version better because of the thick 3D lume
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>>63370858
Thanks for the link.
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>>63371073
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Is the 9sxx or the 4sxx Seiko movement better?
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>>63371112
>That glossy 3D lume
Stop, stop! I can only get so erect!
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>>63371199
No. The 9Sxx family of Grand Seiko movement are clean sheet designs created by Grand Seiko after the modern Grand Seiko was formed and in terms of technical specification and manufacturing and finishing quality a big step up from the 4sxx.
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>>63371199
>>63371227
Oops, i misread your post as if you were asking if they were related. The answer is still that the 9sxx is much better.
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>>63370115
this cant be real
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>>63371265
Plenty real. Here is part 2.
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>>63371452
now i feel bad. Poor guy.
seems like a nice person. i thought it was just a joke.
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>>63371452
Oh fuck. Im a bully now.

He looks like he just is old and may have a skin condition. Not going to be reposting it now.... Reminds me of my grandpa.
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>>63371551
I didn't think it was real to start with but the second post reads like genuine heart break and reverse image search only returns these threads. Guess the 12+ replies making fun of him scared him off after he came here to ask for advice then proudly showed off his watches he got with that advice.
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>>63371602
He's just really fat... feel bad for saying it, but at least the submariner fat fist looked proper
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>>63371602
On one hand he should have known better and should have expected everything he got from this site. But it sounds like it did get to him a bit (obviously that's reading into it a fair bit because there isn't much to go off). I seem to remember someone posting a watch like the gold one on a desk or something since then but that could have just been a stock photo of it. So he may be around still, I hope he is enjoying his watches despite the response.
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>>63370877
Yeah he did. I can usually get about a day and a half out of it, wound to full.

>>63370835
The worst butchers I've ever encountered have been at Seiko's fucking authorized repair centre in Canada (Odyssey Time in North York). I brought my grandfather's old 6106 to them before I knew about Shane, and it was eventually Shane who had to de-fuck all the shit they had fucked up (of course he was not able to get rid of gouges on the movement). I also brought my 6R15 to them to be repaired under warranty, and went back no less than three times because they kept creating new problems every time they fixed the old ones. I don't live in Toronto so to make the trip into that traffic-clogged, SJW-infested hellhole only to repeatedly deal with a bunch of hacks is nothing short of infuriating. Finally, my brother's SNK809 stopped winding; they wanted to replace the whole movement for $109 (more than I paid for the watch), so I told my brother to get it back and I brought it to Shane. He literally just tightened a screw and it was good to go. I've been meaning to write Seiko about my experiences with Odyssey because it really does not do the Seiko name any good to have those idiots associated with it. I can't think of any semi-reputable shop that could possibly be worse.
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just finished this SKX013 mod.

I wanted a dual time-zone field watch. Really pleased with the results.
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Hey /wt/ how are Skagen watches?
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>>63372223
Lume shot
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>>63372229
Dogshit. You are literally a hundred times better off getting a Timex.
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>>63372181
Holy shit that's brutal. Yeah, write to Seiko about that because that is totally unacceptable. Toronto's Swatch Group service center also has a horrible reputation, from what I've heard, and I would definitely never take a vintage watch to them either.
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Why don't you buy a Swatch like real rich people?
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>>63372305
If I had to guess they do it to show they're not snobs by wearing a watch that's obviously cheap.

Not like I don't also have inexpensive watches, but they're not plastic trash like swatches.
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>>63372305
I have a swatch skin. It's kind of cool - the only 0.05Hz hand advancement I know of - but the face is sufficiently thin and light and the silicone band is sufficiently stiff that it didn't sit too well on the wrist.
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>>63371258
What about the 6800 and 6sxx?
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>>63372364
Slower than the 0.08Hz advancement of my 8M25
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>>63372351
> If I had to guess they do it to show they're not snobs by wearing a watch that's obviously cheap.
Lot's of rich people wear Apple Watches these days for that reason. Just because you have money doesn't mean you have good taste.
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>>63372386
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>>63372305
I was thinking of copping a Sistem51 a few years ago, until I found out the movement is literally sealed and non-serviceable, which makes it a throwaway. That strikes me as wasteful and I wouldn't get it on that basis alone.

The Timex Weekender is a better looking watch anyways, especially in chronograph form.
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>>63372181
That is ridiculous. My local shop is so bad I don't even take battery changes to them. What I meant was do you wind it to full once daily around the same time of the day? Or just whatever works
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>>63372432
TOCK TOCK TOCK
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>>63372351
>plastic trash

Dumb fuck
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>>63372485
They are literally plastic, and trash. No, the movement being mostly metal doesn't negate that description.
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>>63372411
>Just because you have money doesn't mean you have good taste.
It seems as if companies like richard mille, dewitt, etc are only alive because of this sentiment.
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>>63372431
Huh. Shame he talks about the age of discovery version but doesn't even have it.
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>>63369017
Whos up for a challenge /wt/?
Get a cheap casio shitter and mod it with your own vision in mind.
I'll give you a month to make this happen (DO NOT FORGET THIS POST).

Winner gets a Philippe Dufour Simplicity with Archieluxury's signature on the caseback.

Also we get some fresh oc content to these threads.
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>>63372291
Oh? Do tell. What kind of stories come out of the Toronto Swatch service centre?

>>63372439
Yeah I usually wind it once daily, typically in the morning. I try to avoid bringing it right to full since I've been told that places more stress on the mainspring. I usually leave it once I begin to encounter stiff resistance, so around 80% maybe. The power reserve is extremely good for such an old watch, even when not fully wound it easily beats out my Komandirskie. I think only my 5216 has a longer power reserve, among my vintage watches at least (obviously the 6R15 destroys all of them).
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>>63372669
I don't have the skills (and therefore coincidence) or equipment to do anything. Sounds like fun though.
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>>63372669
>Winner gets a Philippe Dufour Simplicity with Archieluxury's signature on the caseback.

Lets spoil a $300k watch with that stupid annoying cunts signature.
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>>63372871
Is this bait?
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>>63372669
Does it matter if its an analog or digital casio?
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>>63370321
You won't be able to change the battery unless you have a watch press
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Looks like delivery tomorrow. Taking bets on if Canada customs will fuck me again and charge me.
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>>63372223
>mod is 10x uglier than the original watch
love watching you morons spend time and money on these
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>>63372181
Shane > everyone
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>>63372342
>>63372305
Just buy a casio pope watch
Looks better and it makes you actually look humble
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>>63372669
You better no be playing with us. I just bought 5 casios and 500 dollars worth of tools from efrei, wish me luck
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>>63373153
Good luck anon
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>>63373187
It's a lot of fun friend. But you enjoy being a salty cunt, I'm sure that's good too
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>>63372669
Hello where are the proofs
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Just saw this in an antique shop
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>>63373898
How much?
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>>63373988
Way too much - 2300usd.
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>>63374013
pffffffffft
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>>63373898
Also saw this bucherer automatic (95) and an Oysterquartz 17000 with diamonds (3800)
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>>63374915
Derp
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>>63374922
thats a beauty my dude
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>>63373153
if you get fucked, its because theyre just jelious you have better style than True-dough
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>>63372351
>>63372552
what the fuck? Swatch's are the only rival to 5eikos. Honestly on some id rather take the swatch.
idk why anyone would shit on a watch thats literally meant to be cheap and disposable.
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>>63374922
how much did they have it? something insane im sure
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>>63375078
The bucherer was 95usd
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>Why get an expensive watch when my cheap one works just as good

how do you respond
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>>63375364
i always respond to that by making the argument with something they like, ie "why drive a new lexus when a 2004 accord does the same job?"
Its all about preference and differing tastes. Hell, people even collect super expensive pens for gods sakes.
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>>63375364
Why buy a cheap watch every two years when you can buy an expensive one for life
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>>63372380
>6sXX
Grand Seiko doesn't currently do a mechanical chronograph movement so there really isn't an equivalent GS movement to compare it to. Compared to the newer Seiko 8Rxx chronograph I would say that the 6Sxx would be expected to be better at keeping the running time as it is a higher grade movement developed in tandem with the 9Sxx series. It has a screw type micro-regulator, and likely features a Lossier curve on the harispring. That being said, the chronograph functions use a horizontal coupling approach which is technically inferior to the vertical clutch on the 8Rxx. The 6Sxx is also an integrated design while the 8Rxx is modular, if that's important to you.

The 68xx is a much more complicated question versus the 9Sxx. The 68xx is a Daini Seikosha designed ultra-thin manual mind movement that is only 1.98mm thick and was designed for use in ultra-thin dress watches. When Seiko resurrected the movement in the 1990s they began iterating it to make improvements to the design and the movement continues to be used by Credor in their ultra-thin handwinding models. It even formed the basis for the recent Fugaku tourbillon (pic related). In modern Credor form the 68xx is getting quantities of assembly, finishing, and adjustment labour well beyond what can be spent on each movement even by the autists at GS, so in that sense I don't see how you can classify the movement as inferior (especially in tourbillon form!). On the other hand, I suspect that any variant of the 68xx is going to struggle to match the timekeeping performance that the 9Sxx can deliver in high-beat form and doesn't have the technology that the 9S does (MEMS parts, silicon components, high-beat rate, etc.).
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>>63375364
"why do x above z when z is the basic lowest end required for use"

Why wear nice clothes when you could just use inexpensive bed sheets.
Why drive nice cars
why have a nice house
why use good tools
why live when you could just commit suicide and spare the world
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>>63372783
>Oh? Do tell. What kind of stories come out of the Toronto Swatch service centre?
Lots of horror stories of them refinishing vintage watches and replacing hands or dials even when explicitly instructed not to.
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>>63373153
>Taking bets on if Canada customs will fuck me again and charge me.
I'd say no since these days you usually get a message that says you are going to have to pay duties if you got pinched. Best of luck!
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>>63369744
I hate this faggot. His idea of gentry is so gentric and he looks like a real asshole
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>>63375364

That is a ridiculous question. Asking anyone to justify anything is absurd. We don't need shit. We can survive in caves eating food paste and only getting emergency medical treatment. We don't need anything. People like things and are interested in things and people that are slightly less interested buy those things. People make nice watches we appreciate it and don't want to give up our entire lives to make those cool things so we buy them. There is no real reason. Its like going to a race track and asking people who spend their weekends racing cars why they bought Porsche's when an old Volvo also drives. Obviously the nicer car is making the experience more pleasant and more engaging. The technical know-how behind its manufacture and construction makes it more interesting on its own as well. If people didn't buy expensive shit they didn't need modern technology wouldn't exist ; nothing would get made or invented; We would be living in fucking caves.
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Just placed an order for this thing, it's my first auto and I'm generally a cheap person. Did I do okay? I got the made in japan version.
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>>63375364
oh wait...
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>>63375625
It's okay/10
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>>63375364
first, I would never argue that anyone should get a luxury watch unless they want it.

if you only own a luxury watch because you value the function of time keeping you are wasting your time. a cell phone synced to the atomic clock is far more accurate and will maintain that accuracy for far longer.

people own nice watches because they like the aesthetics, craftsmanship, history and utility. all my expensive pieces have stories and sentimental value as well. the also happen to be one of the few ways for men to accessorize their appearance in society.

a $30 timex is perfectly fine. if I prefer the 904 steel, white gold hands, and ornate attention to detail on my watch that isn't to suggest a cheap watch isn't practical and also attractive - I just find enjoyment from the sum of the materials and the work that went into it. there's nothing wrong with good cheap watches if you like 'em.

:^)
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>>63375625
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>>63375625
>I got the made in japan version.
Probably still made in Malaysia and then assembled in grorious Nihon, but it's not a bad watch.
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>>63375625
Better than blancpain imo.
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>>63375789
does the quality really differ between the MIJ and K1s?
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>>63375819
no
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>>63375625
Where did you order from?
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We did it anons
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>>63375927
Congrats man!
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>>63375927
Are you serious? Over or under 6K
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Does anyone know how Stuhrling watches are? Theres a cool looking one on Amazon
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>>63375927
dang nice cop famalam
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>>63369208
This is such bullshit from a westerner spouting western propaganda.

>western CEOs and companies scam and defraud people
RUTHLESS ALPHA MALE. WOLF OF WALL STREET.

>China gets an upper hand on a trade or deal
fucking chinks. deceitful untrustworthy liars.
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>>63375927

Put it on a nato
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>>63375959
Shit
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>>63375927
did you win it?
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>>63375956
Way under. If it's a real 32a with a matching serial I'll consider myself super lucky. Will post pics for you all.
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>>63375959
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>>63375959
made by risun watch in china. about one step above an invicta. whatever style they have, look for it made by a better budget brand.
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>>63370766
We know you're the shitposter posting reps as proof and baiting

You already got BTFO. Shut the fuck up from now on.
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>>63376000
I remember you saying you thought it would be over. Congrats !
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>>63375972

I'm not that anon but I've also lived in China. Also have a Chinese wife.

What he's saying is spot on for many parts of China.

I've been in both the mainland and HK. The people of HK will 100% tell you the same shit.
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>>63375972
>RUTHLESS ALPHA MALE. WOLF OF WALL STREET.
the wolf of wall street went to jail, dumbass.
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>>63375927
Oh sheeeeeeeet!!! fuckin nice my dude.
Also if anyone doesnt know, just look up the watch on google. Amazing shit.
>>63375972
>t. someone who has never been to china
was there for almost 4 years in the late 90's early 00's and he is exactly right. China is sadly beyond racist towords anyone not chinese and they openly spew racism at white people and japanese people. Not really racist at koreans tho in my experience.
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>>63375625
expect the chapter ring to be misaligned

>>63376029
>wmaf couple
>sexpat thinks he's superior and can define China
>failed in western society so he has to live in asian countries to survive and get laid yet still has the gall to criticize them

lmao get out.

>>63376047
He still got glorified. Most of the western frauds just get slaps on the wrist and a severance package.
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>>63376011
>TIL an omega fresh from and AD is a fake

someone seems triggered.
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>>63376077
back to r/asianmasculinity mainlander, we're trying to talk about watches here.
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>>63375944
>>63375956
>>63375962
>>63376015
>>63376075
Thanks anons

>>63375980
If it's real and the serial matches I will do this just for you.
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>>63376075
>china is racist
>practically safe for any tourist

>meanwhile USA has racial attacks and racist issues each week

clueless western propaganda. what's next? you're going to say China is sexist when it's proven they have much better gender equality the amerikkka and misogynistic whites?
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>>63375972
t. Wang Ping

It's like you've never been to China. I've only been here for about 2 and a half months.
The chinese approach to business and infastructure makes the Americans look like the Germans or the Japanese

They'd rather make a quick buck or two now than work hard and have continued business for 30+ years
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>>63375927
Fuck yeah congratulations man.
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>>63376077

You're being irrational
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>>63376077
>chinese billionare scammers dont skirt the law too
>Chinese rich arnt propping up their artificial currency to try and cheat western companies and island countries that need to trade with them

>>63376128
You either are a dirty chink desperately trying to defend your shitter of a country, or are an insane weeb.

this must be bait
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>>63376133
>>63376160
>never been to china

lmao you are so wrong. you're just butthurt westerners spouting bullshit as usual to try to assert that you're superior when by actual metrics you're spouting baseless bullshit as usual. everything you've said has been lifted from western propaganda outlets lmao.
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>>63376126
don't scratch that case up for an autist. enjoy it anon
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>>63376160
>>63376149
>>63376133
>>63376118
>>63376075
>>63376047
>>63376029
You morons are getting baited hard.
Stop engaging with an obvious troll.
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>>63376128
>practically safe for any tourist
do you consider people kidnapped and illegally extradited from hong kong for publishing unflattering books about xi a tourist, or is that the chicoms just brutalizing citizens?

do falun gong nutjobs from the west who visit china risk also going to prison to have their organs harvested and sold to plutocrats in the communist party??

yeah real utopia they got over there, chang.
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>>63375913
Long island watch, just looked back over my order and it looks like I guess messed up and got the k2 instead of the Japanese version. Whatever, doesn't really matter to me.

>>63376077
Hadn't heard about this, is it a common problem?
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>>63375927
Fuck that's cool. It's hard to tell what shape the watch itself is in but I'm guessing it's pristine if even all the papers and the box are complete and in such good shape.

I want some cool high-beat vintage watch too, GP seems like a forgotten and criminally underrated brand.
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>>63375927
can you open it up and post pics of the movement when it arrives? thanks.
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>>63376100
Everyone can look at the last thread or two to see you posted fakes and got called out. There's nothing wrong with that picture other than being bad because the watch is full of fingerprint grease. Fuck off.
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>>63376199
Dont trust their warranty at all. Its how they make money. Dong island is pretty sketch and i wouldnt buy anything more expensive from them imo.
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>>63376222
>polished lugs and brushed bracelet
>NOTHING IS WRONG!
Is this a fake?
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>>63376224
Fair enough, where would you recommend buying from?
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>>63376208
That's my hope

>>63376215
Yep
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>>63376199
Yeah the low end seiko divers commonly have slightly off bezels and chapter rings. Sort of annoying when looking at it up close, but 99% of the time you wont notice it

>>63376268
i always buy from amazon/seiyajapan/thewatchery because they all have good customer service and are pretty much no questions asked.
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>>63376192
>these still doesn't happen to tourists and only to locals with a political agenda

nice bullshit there pinkie. meanwhile asians get attacked and unfairly jailed and raped by inherently evil white sociopaths when in western countries thinking they can get away with heinous shit because asians are peaceful.
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>>63376222
hmmmmmmmm?
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>>63376250
>low quality image taken with a 2010 camera phone

I see you clueless google image armchair nerds are back.
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>>63376192
>>63376075
YOURE GETTING BAITED. ITS A TROLL. FUCKING STOP.
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>>63376208
>GP seems like a forgotten and criminally underrated brand.
The Girard Perregaux that existed in the pre-quartz era was very different from the GP that exists today. GP was a high-end production watchmaker in the pre-quartz era, a competitor to Rolex, Omega, Grand Seiko, King Seiko, etc. It's only in the post-quartz era that they transitioned into a haute horlogerie watchmaker, and not a particularly well known one at that.

They are underrated because most people have no idea who the GP of the 1960s was, basically. It's really too bad because they were a titan in that era and produced some of the most accurate pre-quartz production mechanical movements ever made.
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>>63376341
>still posting the same images
>that one has to obscure the watch so you can't tell if its fake

Didn't you learn your lesson yet? You got shit on so bad in the last two threads.
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>>63376181
>Orientals
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>>63376250
>>63376341
Stop feeding the resident troll (You)'s for fucks sake.
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>>63376373
stop
>>63376356
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>>63376341
the
>>63376250
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>>63376192
you
>>63376160
fucking
>>63376133
morons
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>>63376396
Holy fuck that is a beauty.
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>>63376128
This is the problem with Chink propaganda/marketing/lies, they always take it 4 steps too far. Just go for something mildly believable and this shit might fly. That goes for your knock off watches too.
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>>63376452
Stop
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FRIENDLY REMINDER that the best watch maker in the world is Japanese and not a swiss mountain jew bean counter.
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>>63376466
Fine, Have some Modifiedl Accutron Goodness.
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can someone please give me the run down on Luminox?

I need a tough, badass looking watch for wilderness navigation. I have the best G-shock and Suunto but I have the urge to buy this?
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>>63376452
>reported by major outlets and western research firms
>i-it must b-be lies m-minorities s-should in these s-shitty racist b-boxes I p-put them i-in

huwhite fragility.
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>>63376487
They make a presage line watch with a similar texture.
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What happened with Creation Watches?
I've heard that they suddenly went down the shitter with customer service
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>>63376487
false

the best watch makers on earth are swiss but none of us can afford their watches.
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>>63376487
Seiko is like what Swiss used to be.
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>>63376550
>wilderness navigation


m8 pls
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>>63376681
>the best watch makers on earth are independents
Fixed that for you.
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>>63376160
>this must be bait
Ever been to r/asianmasculinity?

There's no shortage of people who think like this. It's actually tough to tell if it is bait or not, since the original response linked back to a dead thread and tried to make a fuss about it. Which is exactly the kind of thing glass heart losers (ie the kind of people who are still mad about the Boxer Rebellion) do all day on the internet.
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>>63376685
its a sad state for the swiss industry when all the innovation and new technologry is coming from japan and independent watch makers.
No wonder they are dieing
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>>63376729
only on the SKX

other models don't have that problem as much
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>>63376729
>a below 200$ watch doesnt have the best qc!
oh wow!
no way!
you cant be serious!!!
this is insane from seiko! we need to take them down.
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>>63376719
Just imagine what Omega would be now if Seiko had bought the company instead of Swatch.
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>>63376729

Dat autocorrect
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>>63376750

Seiko male detected
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>>63376751
since Bulova didn't amount to anything probably not much

Seiko can acquire something better and niche to complement their company
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>>63376751
oh dont remind me
It makes me mad/sad everytime i see modern omegas in compairison to preswatch group omegas.

>>63376761
nah fag. I own two cheap seikos and an orient but have a tudor bb, 3 vintage omega pie pans, and a JLC reverso classic.
Im just not an insane moron and can see reality.
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>>63376772
That was citizen who bought bulova though. Would've been nice if they kept up making the watches in america and innovating technology. Oh well.

If in this hypothetical situation they just let Omega do what they want and threw cash at them sometimes for whatever weird project they had in mind that'd be pretty neat.
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>>63376787
the guy you are responding to is a dick but he has a valid point. The vast majority of seiko watches sold are 200 dollars or below and are cheap chinese watches riddled with qc issues. That is why everyone shits on seiko. They have a huge branding problem. Their name stands for nothing. its like a holding company put their name on every single product throughout every price range. it makes no fucking sense.
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>>63376181
>>63375972
>>63376128
>muh western propaganda

One thing I've come to realize about many Westerners is we KNOW we're being propagandized. We know the media is trying to divert our attention away from our insecure jobs, our rising cost of living and our dwindling savings accounts. The difference with chunks is they don't realize they're being propagandized and just take everything from the Global Times as gospel. And knowing what a male-dominated society China is, I wonder if these "management" figures have also been cooked, like everything else out of Beijing.

>>63376452
I have bought Chinese and Russian watches; basically the only two non-Western offerings. Here is what I've noticed. Russian watches are like everything else in Russia: crude, but effective. They have ingenious and inventive designs to overcome problems with minimal precision and material input (eg, Amphibia crystal that becomes more water-tight the deeper it goes). They have zero pretension and they are designed from a purely utilitarian standpoint.

Chinese watches are not unique at all, and largely just imitate or straight up copy Western designs. They come up with nothing on their own; not movements (even the Seagull movement is a copy of a Western design), cases or anything. They look extremely impressive, but the quality control and materials are horrendous and it doesn't take much to throw them out of spec. Nice to look at but ultimately trash. Is this the concept of "face" ?

>>63376487
It's more like Seiko makes the best stuff. Citizen has always played second fiddle to them and puts out kind of ho-hum, run-of-the mill stuff.
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>>63376487
>FRIENDLY REMINDER that the best watch maker in the world is Japanese and not a swiss mountain jew bean counter.
Incorrect. Dufour is Swiss and would probably be the consensus choice for the best watchmaker in the world. Hell, I'd probably pick both A. Lange & Sohne and Vacheron Constantin over Credor.

If you mean best production watchmaker then that's a reasonable argument, though lots of people would pick Rolex/Tudor over Grand Seiko for aesthetic reasons.
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>>63376821
A lack of quality control is not something normally associated with Seiko. The watches are known for being reliable, just the finishing on the cheaper ones is crap.

t. Own a quartz Seiko with a seconds hand that does not line up with the fucking indices
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>>63376639
What model is that?

>>63376685
>Seiko is like what Swiss used to be.
Seiko is almost an exact analogue for SSIH (Tissot/Omega/Lemania) from before it became The Swatch Group. Full spectrum coverage of the market from dirt cheap to high-end production watches with reasonable price to quality ratios at every pricepoint.
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>>63376897
> Second fiddle
> Run of the mill
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>>63376935
>seconds hand that does not line up with the fucking indices
That's pretty common for cheap quartz movements to be honest, familia.
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>>63376935
Most of the world's population that doesn't give a flying fuck about watches thinks seiko makes cheap shitty watches. Almost no one even knows about grand seiko and the sarb line of watches is not even meant for the us market. I have personally never seen anyone wearing a sarx or prospex or any non shit seiko.
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>>63376972
should Orient's current lines get shifted to Seiko, and Seiko's high end lines get moved to Orient?
I know their relations are that they're parent companies are owned by the same parent, but could it be done?
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>>63376999
probably not but seiko really needs to start building different brands and their "line" titles are not working. they just removed the second seiko from grand seiko but its really not enough. They need to build an image and start making nicer looking watches in better sizes.
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>>63376999
>I know their relations are that they're parent companies are owned by the same parent, but could it be done?
Not a chance. Orient operates as a totally separate company and is owned by Seiko Epson (who used to be Suwa Seikosha) while Seiko, Grand Seiko and Credor are all owned by Seiko Instruments International (who used to be Daini Seikosha). Suwa's only involvement in Seiko watches today is in quartz components for various Seiko and Grand Seiko models, and SII employees still don't have much love for Seiko Epson even 30 years after the end of the Suwa/Daini split, much less for Orient.
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>>63376897
>cooked
>western outlets did the research

oh god the white denial is hilarious.
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>>63378278
does anyone on /wt/ own a Credor?

I really like their style.
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>>63375364
I'd give them a watch I got off AliExpress, then I'd give them my Grand Seiko. You can see and feel the difference.
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>>63378295
there's one anon with a slightly ugly credor he used to post it as the OP a lot

>>63378307
I like the clean dial versions more. Also the limited edition bar award dials. If you have to get the burst dial get the blue one.
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>>63378295
9baka did when he was here, but it was one to the turbo-ugly ones.

>>63378307
I like the original better. I dig the date on that one, but the power reserve ruins it for me.
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>>63378309
That looks fantastic. The sticker shock not so much (6800USD holy shit)
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>>63375625
Congrats on the vasectomy!
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>>63370952
>all he does is cry about omega
You're saying this to the guy who brought up omega out of nowhere you idiot.
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>>63378491
Learn to read cunt
The discussion was about squale at first. No one was talking about omega until the troll brought it up because he can't stop talking about it. Nice try.
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>>63369017
Give me your top 3 auto watches under 1000 Euro
Hard mode : no diver watches
Insane mode : no Seiko
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>>63378779
>excusing the troll baiter yet harping on the people replying

lel get out
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>>63378784
Anything from Longines
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>>63378784
Sinn 556a
Oris Artelier date
Chris ward c5 mk3
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>>63378390
looks really cool, but that center wheel is pretty sad.
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>>63378779
just stop. He feeds on this shit. All he does is lie about stuff and then spam posts like "BTFO LELEL" and shit. This is the worlds most obvious bait posts and you fuckers fall for it over and over.

Just stop.
Get some help.
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>>63378856
I like the part where he BTFO of the trolls by making them admit they only go by google images lmao
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>>63378779

Stop being such a fucking retard.
You can yell at the table for stubbing your toe but that doesnt make you any less of the retard who stubbed their toe.

>inb4 that other moron responds to me with some more bait posts like with the other poster
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>>63378856
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>>63378779
Wait, wtf happened? Did I miss something?
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>>63378929
You shouldnt even try to understand.
All it is is one guy is just posting bait over and over to try and bring people into stupid arguments.
He has some omega watch and got offended when someone else insulted omega as a brand like a week ago and now he can't get over it. Just weird stuff of people falling for his annoying bait-y comments.

Just ignore it all. Stupid stuff really.
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>>63378951
>post anti-Omega propaganda
>cry "stahp" when you get btfo
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>>63378816
>Chris ward c5 mk3
oh shit why do faggots here never talk about that, this peace is AMAZING
>Sellita 200-1
Whats up with this movement, looks like an upgraded ETA 2834
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Best moonphase under $1000 usd?
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>>63378929
One mega angry dude cant stop defending omega and swatch group.
You can usually tell its his bait posta by the way he wierdly uses greentext like
>>63378962
>>63378792

And he keeps on useing "BTFO" and "faggots".
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>>63378963
Chrs ward is a bit meme-y and their designs are a bit too new agey for a lot of people here.
I love them to death tho

Sellita is a fair bit like offbrand ETA. the sw200 is a 2824 clone movement. Theyre surprisingly good and quite cheap too, plus you can buy them easily.
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>>63378993
>One mega angry dude cant stop defending omega and swatch group.
More like anti-Omega dude can't stop posting ant- Omega shit, and cries when pics are posted of Rolex shit in response.

Just check this thread, it's hilarious: >>63358329

>Omega/Swatch hater spams the thread early on with anti-Omega pics
>discussions arise
>Omega haters start ragging on dumb details like the edges of Omega hands not being finished
>anons post a bunch of unfinished Rolex hands and logos in response
>Omega hater in full denial mode ("i-i-it's not a rough edge, i-i-it's reflections of features in the room")

And then the best part of all:
>thread reaches bump limit, discussion dies down for nearly FOUR HOURS
>thread hits page 11, about to 404
>Omega hater tries to get the last word in, minutes before 404
>I still manage to get a reply in just before it dies
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NEW THREAD:
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>>63379101
Nicely put.
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>>63375064
Because they're as much as, if not more expensive than Seiko 5's which provide you with a case and band that isn't fucking garbage.
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>>63379101
There he is.

Everyone look at this insanity and autism. You really let like 3 pictures of defective omegas get deep fucking deep under your skin.
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>>63379172
>Get BTFO so thoroughly and reveal yourself as a clueless retard for all of the /wt/
>Y-you're just mad
>I AM DA WINNER

lmao you sad sad little troll
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>>63379172
I wasn't the one trying pass off rough edges as "features in the room" lmao.
I also wasn't the one trying to get the last word after four hours of silence, just before the thread 404'd.
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>>63379186
those were 3 different people you were reffering to FYI.

Look at the ip count next time.
Also im neither of those people, so relax a bit bozo
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>>63379200
I didn't say it was you, did I?
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>>63379200
>Look at the ip count next time.
The fact that you bring up something as useless as "watch da ip count" only makes it even more obvious that it was you.
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>>63375625
Congrats, that was also my first automatic watch. It now looks like this.
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>>63380645
Is that SKX all-blue? What's its code?
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>>63377162
Fun fact: Grant Thornton China is totally independent of the UK company and more or less only shares the name. Pretty common for accounting firms in China outside the Big 4 (PWC, KPMG, EY, Deloitte). In Japan, the situation can be even crazier: BDO has two independent firms there that compete with each other. A lot of similarities between Suwa and Daini.
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>>63376952
>licensed movement design that was thrown into a case

Gee such innovation




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