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This thread is about the appreciation of horology, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that are required to make a fine watch, clock, or other timepiece.

>Required viewing for newbies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bHLB5lQNHY

>Strap Guide:
http://pastebin.com/SwRysprE

>Watch essentials 102:
http://pastebin.com/VBAu4Rwi

Previous Thread:
>>63716596
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Jaeger memovox
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>>63732272
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>>63732285
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>>63732272
>>63732285
>>63732298

Absolutely gorgeous. Is that an E855? Would love to eventually get one of these old bumper memovox's.
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Good morning wt
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>>63732326
Morning
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>>63732419
>wearing it on the hand
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>>63732272
>>63732326
>>63732419

straight dope today nice watches guys.

>>63732475
stop being a faggot
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>>63732475
(You)
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>>63732319
Yep E855. Sounds great
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>>63732205
>>Required viewing for newbies:
hell no nigga
>pure class my friend
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>>63733002
I think that guy may be mentally ill
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infograph?
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>>63733253
infographic/ˌJnfə(ʊ)ˈɡrafJk/
noun

a visual representation of information or data, e.g. as a chart or diagram.
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Has your love for watches motivated to do or achieve some interesting stuff in your life?
In my case my love for slavshit has motivated me to learn Russian autodidactically. I even started recently to date a very qt Russian girl from college, who was my “tandem language partner” at first. жизнь хopoшa!
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>>63733386
good work anon ^-^
i like russian language also, best of luck to you
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Hey there, wristlets.
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>>63733444
why
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>>63733456
>Replying to obvious bait
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>>63733444
Divers are allowed to be big
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>>63733386

I want to learn Russian just so I can watch Tarkovsky films without subtitles.
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>>63733444
>>63733517
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>>63733566
It's ok to be a big diver.
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>>63733580
its big to be an ok diver
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>>63733588
its diver to be a big ok
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It's big okay to be a diver
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Post watches, please.
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>>63733443
Cпacибo, aнoн! :3

>>63733554
Go ahead!!! I recommend you to start learning the alphabet and after being able to read cyrillic you'll feel cool and invincible. After that look for "Michel Thomas Russian course" on youtube, best method out there and for free!
Haven't watched any Tarkovsky movie though, which one can you recommend me?
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>>63733651
Ok.
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>>63733444
>>63733517
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>>63733728
It's ok to be a big diver.
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>>63733386
Ordering custom watches from Meranom that I designed.
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>>63733881
eh... well that's not exactly a life achievement but could you post some examples? I'm curious.
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>>63733899
>spending months designing a product
>not an achievement
This isn't just some $20 printed t-shirt.
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>>63733386
working on watches as a hobby
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>>63733386
Mainly just to make me pursue higher education to afford them. I'm pretty motivated to complete my slavshit collection due to my russian ancestors
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>tfw robotics made living underwater for operations not worth the cost
>tfw you will never be a cool diver with Cousteau at the sea floor
i didn't want this feel.
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>>63733965
Well but by designing a watch do you mean ordering separate pieces (cases, dials, hands, bezels etc) and asking Meranom to assembly it for you? or does it mean that you agree with him on building your own design from scratch. Please post examples, I'm really interested.
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>>63734302
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>>63734216
Don't remind me.
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>>63734302
So I would have to wind this watch and the electronical component it has. The watch itself has no benefits of quartz but it displays the watches accuracy, but does not adjust it automatically.
I don't see the point really.
Seiko kinetic or spring drive would be much much better.
Neat geeky concept though.
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>>63733517
I also like my diver despite having not very large wrists.
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>>63734302
>>63734310
Redundant and absolutely pointless. They're basically saying the owner should carry around a timegrapher integrated into the watch. Trash.
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>>63734390
Fokken wristlets
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>>63734390
the turtle is tiny compared to the smallest memeblue watch
you just have small wrists anon
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>>63734599
boxing glove?
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>>63734216
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are these USSR watches a meme? They're so cheap and stylish

https://www.ebay.com/itm/raketa-poljot-de-luxe-watch-vintage/253259665544
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>>63735510
Definitely not a meme, the one you linked though will most likely have a Luch movement inside judging from the caseback finishing.
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>>63735559
>Luch movement

is that a bad thing?
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>>63735510
Looks like shit.
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>>63735572
Well the movement is the same as in the Poljot de luxe. Poljot just stopped manufacturing it around 1975 and ever since it was made only by Luch. Why many watches are trying to masquerade as a Poljot is because it's more appreciated than Luch.
Here's three examples of the movements, left is Poljot and the two on the right are Luch.
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>>63735572
Luch also had a Poljot style of marking the movements which you could at firt see as a Poljot, but it's very easy to see the differences.
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>fake aged lume is a sign of poor ta...
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does any1 else do nice deployent clasps like Patek?
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>>63736120
I think Bagelsport has some.
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General thoughts on Citizens? I've been looking for something I could wear anywhere and preferably with a leather band.
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What is it about shitters that attracts cucks?
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>>63733681
Hngggg
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>>63733517

>Deepshit

is this meme back again?
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>>63736342

It's the perception of "class"
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>>63736535
what's wrong with memeblue?
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>>63736163

wtf is this chink shit. i mean from some1 reputable. like any place I can get a custom clasp
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>>63736572
>signed ring
isn't it Signet ring?
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>>63734390
That actually fits fine
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>he still has to adjust time manually
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>>63737034
>when you're such a cuck even your watch cucks you with DCF77/Fort Collins
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Is getting multiple watches with the same movement dumb? I like SNK809 and SKX007 but getting both seems like a waste, even if they serve different purposes
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>>63737305

pick one and save for a non shitter
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>>63737417
thought so, just had to hear it from someone else
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What are some good quartz not made by Japanese but are the same price as eco drives and the Seiko dolce?
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I wonder how hard it is to machine your own watch case.
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>>63737617
In terms of modern watches, the longines vhp is pretty good, though a little over your budget.
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>>63737626
not that difficult, you just need the machinery.

that cnc machine is probably half a million dollars.
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>>63737808
I think my dad has a vertical milling machine though.

Also movement makers do release drawings on case fitting for watch manufacturers.
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>>63737872
I'm considering making a case.

All i have is a watchmaker's lathe powered by a sewing machine motor and a micro mill.

The main problem I'll face is machining the steel in general- I'm gonna stop the motor every second trying to cut it. and probably break the belt a few times.

I can only achieve flat and rounded geometry as well. I don't know how I could make sharp corners, like when rolex lugs go into the round profile of the case, that "sharpness."
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>>63738057
I though about using a lathe too.

I guess you could turn an early XX. century-style round case with soldered wire-lugs, maybe even out of brass than steel.
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>>63738138
yeah considered using a base metal, then plating it so many times its more gold filled than platted.

but still, turning a large piece of stock with a low torque motor isnt fun.
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>>63738172
Have you considered looking for a maker lab with a CNC machine and lathe?
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>>63737482

yw
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Thank you for buying me this Micheal Kors watch for Christmas Anon!
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>>63736680
yes. the dude is obviously just a religious follower of our savior TGV
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>>63738602
>investing in 7/10s
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>>63738602

There nothing in that pot. As empty and barren as her womb.
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>>63733444
imagine the spacer on this
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>>63733444
>Not a Big Daddy 2
Nice job showing that you're still some beta low test wristcel.
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Sup fags
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>>63738952

i think you guys are mentally ill, this wont end well

[pic related]
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>>63733681
Nice Frederique Constant homage
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>>63738997
That was such a cool phone.
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>>63739130
>>63738997

I miss the old days when phones were gimmicky and simple. Now all we have are black rectangles that wind up having a hard time making calls after a few years.
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>>63739167
I mean modern phones are great, but yeah I miss the times when everyone was just trying out all this crazy bullshit hoping that it'd stick.
I remember having a Samsung Gravity and while it wasn't anything special or crazy, I loved the hell out it.
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>>63739286
> I mean modern phones are great, but yeah I miss the times when everyone was just trying out all this crazy bullshit
This is exactly how I feel about late 60s/early 70s watches.
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>seiko male buys SKX which has dirt on the dial
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>not using a Mi Band 2 as your daily watch

too lazy to take a pic~
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>tfw Seiko 6s21 is discontinued but new bulova is just as accurate as regular quartz watches
Why did this happen?
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>>63739840

>not wearing smart and analog watches at the same time
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>>63736303
there is nothing wrong with Citizen. I own multi-thousand dollar pieces, and would wear a Citizen in a heartbeat.
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>>63740171
this is an abomination and you should never post that here ever again. EVER AGAIN ZUCKERBERG.
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>>63736303
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>>63738602
she has an australopithecine skull.. my god :O how clinically-fascinating as a doctor
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>>63740471

A friend bought a citizen that's finished (no kidding) as well as a GS.

it would appear weaponized autism comes in 2 forms now.
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>>63740494
what citizen?
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>>63740515
That exact one I think
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>>63740482

I'd still fuck her, shitter watch on or not.
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>>63740494
Citizen has their own equivalent to GS. Bit harder to get a hold of though from what I've seen.
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>>63740554
They look pretty amazing irl, the finishing is remarkable in its own right.

I'll have to ask why he chose it over GS.
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>>63740595
Certainly looks to similarly autistic about finishing as GS watches. I just wish that particular cream dial citizen was more available.
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>>63740632
>>63740554 is gorgeous.
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>>63740632
is this japan domestic market only?
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>>63740780
As far as I'm aware, yes. That ref in particular was for the 80th anniversary of citizen iirc.
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Anyone know of a watch with a timer you set like a kitchen timer by rotating the bezel?
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What's all the stuff on this dial for? Anyone know?
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>>63741104
Strap a kitchen timer to your wrist
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>>63741676
It's a desperate attempt to try and disguise the fact that it's a dogshit chink fake.
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>>63740471
>$90000
what the fuck
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>>63741676
r/watches loves patek philippe, ask them
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>>63741747
>>63741686
its a pic off of google image, i just wanted to know what the complications are for
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>>63739840
My mom has this watch.
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>>63741676
Patek Phillipe is a mall watch brand, avoid
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>>63741997
Day/night indicator pretending to be a moonphase. At least the sun doesn't have a smiley face.
A date indicator.
An open dial, pretending to be a tourbillon.
What would be a leap year indicator if it wasn't just for show.
A day of the week indicator, but with all the days mixed up for some reason.
It also has fake chronograph buttons, and the fines guilloche pennies can buy.
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>>63742054
Thanks, I looked on their website and I can't find that one.
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>>63738602
I bought my gf a cluse (female denzel washington) last Christmas
Nearly every girl in town has one now. I tried showing her a Cartier Tank but she's not interested enough
>inb4 spending money on girls
She's a pure aryan qt and by the looks of her family she should give me tall sons
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>>63738602
Why is she wearing it upside down
>>63742031
Absolutely abhorrent
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>>63742107
You're dating a female Denzel Washington? n-nice....
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>>63742156
you're saying you DON'T want a tiger watch that looks like you got it from walmart for 10 bucks? Our surveying has failed us!!
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>>63742167
With all the rapper endorsements and chink shit like your pic, I say we propose we remove the limitations of being swiss and crown the new holy trinity of watchmaking:

A. Lange & Sohne, Vacheron Constantin and Jaeger-LeCoultre
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>>63742232
Aye, I'm in favor of this motion.
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>>63742232
Personally I rate Vacheron Constantin and A. Lange & Sohne >>>>>>>>>>> JLC. That isn't to say I don't respect and admire JLC, but I think they have a massive hardon for thin-ness which in my opinion past a certain point is detrimental.
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>>63742232
Looking at this watch makes me want to go back in time and join the crusades
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>>63742232
>cringey thinly veiled racism

lmao I'm glad those european companies are floundering.
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>>63742316
>autistic r/pol cuckboy saying dumb larp shit like this

lmao
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>>63742107
>aryan
Enjoy shitty aging.
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>>63742328
t. muhammad
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>>63742318
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>>63742336
Implying aryan qt's don't age the best second ONLY to east asians.
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>>63742344
>>63742346
>buttdevastated autists trying to spout pol crap where they aren't wanted

fuck off
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>>63742354
Yes you're right my rotund pungent friend, how could anyone possibly get an idea of the crusades from looking at a Vacheron Constantin, I mean it's not like their logo is literally the emblem of the knights templar, wait a minute...
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Recommendations for a nice and relatively clean watch for less than $200 USD? Day-date not a must.
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>>63742389
If you're okay with just date and not day then I highly recommend the Orient Bambino.
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>>63736011
It sure is.
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>>63734302
So it's like Spring Drive, except it doesn't regulate the watch, and it needs its own separate power source.
You'd have to be really attached to the idea of a conventional escapement to consider this good in any way.
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>>63742370
>MUH IRON CROSS
>NUHZI LARP ACTIVEATE

fuck off
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Thoughts on Seiko radio wave?
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>>63742349
Why go for second best instead of the very best?
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>>63742551
>implying any woman would want you in the first place
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>>63742551
fuck off with your wojaks, post watches you cucks
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>>63741104
That's pretty much what a diving bezel is.
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>>63742560
Hey I own this model. Amazing watch.
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>>63741104
basically any dive watch and then some have those
Unless you mean the actual kitchen timer functionality where the bezel would turn counter-clockwise and the watch would ring after the time, that's just delusions
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>>63741104
Dive bezel or countdown bezels exist. In terms of if you meant actual alarm to ring there are some alarm watches with use an inner rotating bezel to set the alarm. Only one I can think of off the top of my head is the Seiko bellmatics.
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>>63742509
>Equates medieval crusaders to Nazi's
Ah, I see I'm dealing with a fucking retard. Your reddit spacing makes you really obvious, it's time to go back.
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>>63742551
I agree azn QT's are the best.

>>63742559
t. projecting incel who can't believe other people have sex
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>>63742682
>I-I'm not a racist autist I-I swear!
>re-reddit space!

lmao take your pills and fuck off
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>>63742701
>>63742682
>>63742509
>>63742370
>>63742354
>>63742346
>>63742344
>>63742328
>>63742318
>>63742316
Get out of my thread.
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>>63742687
>incel trying to front while posting in a cesspool anime imageboard
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Already out of my price range, but here's a rare 4Mega for all you HAQ freaks:

https://buyee.jp/item/yahoo/auction/x516218010
https://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/x516218010

Only two hours left.
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>>63742766
Ewwwwww Citizen
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>>63742701
It's beyond obvious that you're a redditfugee, you know they have a whole sub for watches over there, run along and play with your friends in the safespace.
>I-I'm not a racist autist I-I swear!
I am a racist, it's just not relevant to the conversation, you're the one who keep shoehorning it in because you have nothing else, pretty typical drooling lefty tactics, this is my final wojak for you, take it and go.
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>>63742775
Are you literally 12?
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>>63740554
>>63740632
Good lawd these indices are pure sex.

>>63734390
Also have the superjubilee bracelet for it, though i need to replace or clean the clasp as the buttons are jammed. (it's the 4$ simple milled clasps)
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>>63742813
You're as much if not more reddit than the fag you're replying to, fuck off both of you and stop shitting up the thread
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Why the fuck did Omega choose "omega" as their name? Before I got into watches, I honestly thought Omega was on par with Invicta because of the cringey name. "Louis Brandt" or a variation would've been more classy. Just saying.
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>>63742354
>>63742509
>>63742701
>>63742833
Butthurt mongrel detected.
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>>63736303
Get a BM8180 and put it on a leather strap.
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>>63742851
Because first time you've heard of omega was probably a fucking meme
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>tfw just learned about lakesters through a Bell & Ross ad
These are fucking cool.
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>>63742874
first time was likely a commercial or billboard of an omega watch and dude with greased back hair.
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What's the consensus on Tissot Luxury Powermatic 80 and the movement inside POWERMATIC 80.111 that's based on 2824-2
My friend bought one and the 80 hour power reserve sounds good, but is there some kind of mountain jewery going on inside ?
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>>63742930
forgot pic
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>>63742930
>but is there some kind of mountain jewery going on inside

Yup.

Lowered beat rate (28800bph to 21600) and a plastic escapement that's likely to be less durable than a standard steel one in the long run. Also as far as parts availability goes, getting parts for a 2824 or any standard ETA is extremely easy and cheap while Swatch will likely request premium on the new Powermatic specific parts.
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>>63742930
To achieve that 80 hour power reserve they basically stretched the movements structural integrity to the limits. It's fragile, unreliable, unserviceable and disposable, literally TOSSIT.
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>>63742964
>>63742955
So just because it's based on 2824-2, the parts wouldn't be compatible? The movement is also known as ETA C07.111
Anyway, thanks for the info, good to know
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>>63742976
I'd assume the entire power train is incompatible, i.e. every parts that Tissot changed into a timebomb.
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>>63742980
>>63742976
I wouldn't call it a time bomb, and some parts may be compatible like the calendar works and perhaps the winding mechanism.

Though the are indeed going towards the Swatch Sistem51 route, of lower end watches with cheap disposable movements that will likely crap out after 5 years.
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Stingy old fuck wouldn't give me $2 for starting up his dirty quartz watch. He said that watch isn't even worth that much. I asked him well how much is my work worth then? No answer. Should have glued the movement shut then, and say you brought it non-working, you take it non-working, asshole.
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>>63742627
What's the deal with the no day versions of these?
They look far sexier.
Am I mug if I pay 100 euros for one?
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>>63743114
What the hell.
So he brought a quartz watch worth less than 2 dollars to a watch maker to be fixed.
You tried to charge 2 $ for a battery change or what?
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>>63742766
Should I? Fuck...
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>>63743164
No, examined it, determined the battery was good, the geartrain was free and the seconds hand was twitching in place. I.e. dirty pivots. dripped some benzine on the pivots and it started right away.

But yeah, I wonder why did he bring it to me in the first place? Honestly I was too dumbfounded by the nerve of that old fart. The fuck probably got the watch for free like everything in life.
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>>63743194
What a greedy bastard.
So you just let him walk away without any compensation for your trouble?
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Can anyone recommend me where to buy Vostok Amphibia (I'm from Europe)? Simply buying from ebay.com may be the cheapest option or so it seems to me (ebay.co.uk is pricier even after including delivery costs and all).
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>>63743301
olx.ua

Do the searches in russian.
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>>63743301
Meranom
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>>63743301
Plenty of decent sellers on eBay (Shmek,Mari-vlg,Zenitar) if you want to buy new.

Or you can order it from Meranom's website.
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>>63743265
Well on one side I need to stop allowing the customers to push me around.

On the other hand I have to cut my losses at some point, getting in an argument with a prick like that in the store is not worth the $2.

I fucked up when he asked if he has to pay if I just take a look at it and I said no, only for fixing it. But I didn't just take a look at it, I managed to fix it in under a minute, but do I really need a verbal approval from a customer for every fucking little thing I do?
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>>63743343
You just got cucked by a old fart Chad.
Take a small fee for looking at the watch, if the caseback comes off, you take a fee.
Tre rest just charge according to your time and tools and materials used.

That's what watchmakers here do.
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>>63743179
If you have the dough you should. I don't even know how long they held the accuracy record. It may have been broken by another Citizen, I'm not sure.
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>>63743501
Yea first time using buyee. I have the dosh for sure, seems really hard to find prices for these. Only found 1 clown in the UK trying to sell one for 3k£.

Do you get raped by customs on buyee everytime?
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>>63743551
I got raped when it got sent by EMS, labeled "luxury wristwatch". Now I order them standard airmail, as "men's wristwatch" and they all go through.
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>>63743559
Appreciate the advice. you in EU or north America?
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>>63743574
EU.
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>>63743587
She's popping off now, think its a bit above my budget now.
Shame, the dial and indices are absolutely beautiful as well
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>>63743732
I'd settle for an externally beat one as long as the movement is good.
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>>63743301
Meranom.
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>>63740554
>that piss-poor bracelet fit
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>grabbing finely finished parts with fucking metal tweezers

Why do people do this?

Surely there are modern plastics that would be much better?
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>>63744050
Do you have no dexterity in your fingers?
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>>63743972
That little bit of endlink gap is about the only flaw I can find
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>>63744092
It's even worse than GS.
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>>63744089
Have you potatoes been disappointed downwind from the door handle?
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When did you realize Miyota is better than Seiko movements?
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>>63744050
Those are brass tweezers, fucknugget. I use them too for handling plates of fine movements, but for a slavshit or a 7009 who gives a shit.
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>>63744162
You literally cannot convince me that brass tweezers will not harm finely polished and finished steel.
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>>63740494
To my eyes the high end Citizens don't have external finishing quite as autistic as Grand Seikos, nor do I believe Citizen tin polishes their high end models (which is how GS have distortion free polished surfaces).
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>>63744171
>You literally cannot convince me that soft metal will not harm hard metal.
Yes, you're a retard, I know. Also movement plates are made of brass, dipshit. Now shut up for two weeks.
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>>63744239
>Also movement plates are made of brass
You do realize this makes it worse, right?
Brass on brass.

And there are plenty of parts in a movement that are made of steel.
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>>63742264
I don't think that is really fair. JLC is one of the greatest watchmakers of all time and has a decent argument for being the greatest movement maker of all time period.
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>>63742316
Personally, I prefer this one.
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>>63744247
Well you're still a retard and it's still clearly your first week here.
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>>63743826
I'm wondering how high the winner was prepared to go. I would have done 700eu but honestly I don't know enough about the movement to justify any more.
I understand its the second generation though, 7370 calibre. What is the difference between this and the earlier 8650A movement? I see the 7370 is only rated to 5 spy while the the 8650 was 3 spy
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>>63744257
I have a 32khz 8620 (non-working right now, but soon). They're weird.
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>>63744255
>"""brass""" tweezers
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>>63744278
Yes, every watchmaker is only allowed one tweezer, you solved the crime. Now go and stay go.
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>>63744106
Grand Seikos don't have a bracelet gap, they have deliberate polished reliefs between the brushed finish of the end links and the brushed finish of the lugs as a grammar or design styling element. You can see the polished slanted surfaces machined into the lugs all around where the end-link meets the lugs and case in this picture.
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>>63744128
Depends on which Miyota movement and which Seiko movement.
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>>63744292
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hDvSZa8Ivk&t=322s

He uses it throughout the video.
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>>63744298
Yes, and I use it eight hours a day, five days a week, hardened steel. Now find me and sue me.
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i got the base movement of this repeater working yesterday. pic related, replacing broken jewels
What are you working on anons?


>>63744050
>>63744278
brass or nickel tweezers are often used on finely finished movements, however it is not absolutely necessery. using fine steel tweezers carefully can be enough to leave no visible traces.
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>>63744341
And here's a Patek being serviced; those are steel tweezers grabbing a brass bridge.
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>>63744364
Assembling customer's Russian-era Poljot 31 caliber.

It's exact number is 31679, it has a third subdial, a day-night disk.
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>>63744050
There are some soft metal tools used for clay, this might be around that level of toughness. I use them to clean the gunk out of guns without scratching the insides.
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>>63744341
Why are you so angry?
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>>63744571
Because you're a dummy who drank the Swiss marketing Kool-Aid that every movement service is like Jiro Dreams Of Sushi-level autism with watches.
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Wrist check /wt/
I'm wearing my newest Casio shitter, an F-94WA.
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>>63734599
that fucking oven mitt always get me.
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>>63743981
go die off somewhere you shitty pinkie grampa
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>>63744680
that looks pretty good
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>>63744399
always interesting to see cheapshit complications, hows the day/night indicator?
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>>63744399
that is pretty cool anon
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>>63744680
Thats pretty fucking dope mate.

I'm wearing this, no wristshots atm.
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>>63744732
How difficult is it to remove and press in bearings?
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Bell&Ross my niggas
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>>63744860
thats thicccccc
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What are you wearing today /wt/?

Pretty happy this is still running within chronometer specs for a 2824.
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>>63744909
>>63744860
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>>63744818
not that difficult as long as you use the right tools.
the press used has a simple depth gauge and almost all jewels have standardized sizes so you generally have a perfectly fitting pusher. whats left is simply being carefull desu.
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>>63744399
Hey, what happened with that 45xx movement you were working on?
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>>63744946
Thanks for answering questions anon<3
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>>63744860
I actually really dig the design of those square Bell & Ross but I just can't justify the price they charge for them.
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>>63744968
That was some other anon. I get a Seiko like once every three-four months and they're always Seiko 5-s.
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>>63744946
whats wrong with that (quarter?) repeater, besides needing a service?
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>>63744364
Pic related needs a new crystal installed, and perhaps may be do for a service but as it's a 7XXX cal Seiko so it runs well either way.

Also my 3133 is due for a service for quite a while, cannon pinon is slipping and the time setting&winding is very stiff.
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>>63744680
Good morning wt
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>>63745035
Ah, sorry, it was the similar seafoam green work surface that confused me.
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>>63745072
>when /wt/ memes convince you to start wearing your watch on your forearm
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IS it correct to assume /wt/ shits on Tissot because they're not Swiss made any longer?

What about Certina? Is that allowed?
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>>63745088
It's not a matter of Tissot no longer being Swiss made per se, it's that The Swatch Group relies heavily on marketing their low end brands as "Swiss made" to inflate their perceived value in the minds of target customers while outsourcing their production to China to the largest extent legally possible and value engineering their movements into disposable plastic escapement trash.

Tissot/Hamilton/Certina/Mido would be fine if they delivered reasonable levels of quality for the price but they typically very much do not.
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>>63745088
They ARE Swiss-made and I wish they weren't. The Swiss watch industry is garbage, at least everything below Rolex.
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>>63744257
I will post some about the differences tonight.
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>>63744909
Actually chronometer specs, or just -4/+6 on the wrist?
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>>63745088
they problem i have with tissot, hamilton, certina, cyma, etc. is that.... they all look the same. Their designs aren't ground breaking or unique. The only thing I see in these watches is trying to get the cheapest full package 2824 i can find that doesnt look retarded.
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>>63745180
>>63745182
>They ARE Swiss-made and I wish they weren't.
Well that's too bad. I was eyeing up a DS Action diver.
It looks so classy for a sporty watch.
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>>63745257
>cheapest full package 2824
I shall have a look. Thanks
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>>63742107

Godspeed lad, make lots of aryan children with her.
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>>63742264

whatever hun. muh holy trinity had to buy jlc movements because they didn't know how to make one. at least until people caught on to it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auvaAFK3vi0
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>>63744909

I think my 2018 plans will include a Sinn, maybe a vintage one. I kind of like that Hamilton is going to reissue the vintage khaki but I have a feeling it will be overpriced by a lot.
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>>63745040
some springs were broken and the hook on the round part (pic related) had worn. i remade the parts and its in basic working order right now, but it doesnt function right unless you apply the right amount of force. i need to figure out wether this is a problem or just a sign of this being a lower end movement.

its a minute repeater btw :3
ill take some more pictures of the dial side monday.
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>>63744293
Will you fuck off with your grammar of design bullshit? The bracelets very clearly have gaps between the lugs, and that is not intentional.
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>>63745242
I got it adjusted and on the wrist it’s about 1-2 seconds per day. It’s insane
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>>63745501

Kek.

>Seiko males pretend that bracelets and endlinks stay perfectly aligned despite being intended to move and give a little on the wrist.
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>>63745501
Of course it is intentional. Grand Seiko machines slanted reliefs from the tops of the lugs to where the brushed bracelet end link meets the lug and tin polishes those surfaces specifically because they are designed to be visible between the brushed finish of the end link and lug tops, to preserve the alternating polished/brushed finishes that are a GS design signature. Another example most people never notice is that the underside of the bezel ring is brushed to place a brushed surface between the polished bezel ring and first polished layer on the case.
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>>63745591
What kind of cheap garbage watches are you used to where the end-links move?
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>>63744732
Actually I was wrong, it's not a day-night indicator, but a genuine moonphase. I don't get to see many moonphase complications at all, but this one looks painfully simple.
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>>63745512
Nice. Consider taking the time to test it to COSC specs
http://www.qualite-fleurier.ch/COSC-ISO-3159.pdf
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>>63745807
Okay, so anyway I looks at this movement there's no way to set the moon phase. And since there's no quickset on the cal. 31 the date and phase of the Moon are permanently synced with each other unless you take apart the movement to adjust it manually. Fucking Russians.
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>>63745958
wait what, so does that mean it's only synced to russian night and day?
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Reminder that the Seiko G757 is the best digital watch ever made and anybody who disagrees is a dishonest contrarian with horrendous taste.
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>>63745958
kek what, that means that if you want the date to be correct the moonphase will almost always be off a couple days right?
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How easy is it to regulate my sarb? Its consistently like minus 7.5 seconds on the wrist.
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>>63745998
*blocks your path*
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>>63745958
How does the moonphase work - is it driven directly by the gear train? I've seen moonphase that jump forward once per day (like the date), which would allow them to be set independent of the date (like a day/date with no quickset).
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>>63733681
>oh that's a nice looking watch
>$30k+
Every time.
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>>63746167

Honestly, How mo VC keep business?

I mean they have nothing that really stands out. Their sports line is a joke. AP sell those royal oaks like crazy to Hollywood and nigeers.
They are supposed to have good dress watches. But honestly, at the price they are charging, a Calatrava is a superior choice. I feel like the only reason people buy a VC is to say that they have one of each from the holy trinity.
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>>63746110
It's connected to the hour wheel, but it jumps the moon disk once every day by the use of a single finger, like on the minute counter.

Right now it's useless, but then again a working moonphase isn't too useful either.
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>>63746276
You should be able to set the moonphase independent of the date then, no? Or am I misunderstanding?
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>>63746266
You have no idea what you are talking about. VC has spent the last 15 years investing heavily in highly complicated haute horlogerie watches specifically to improve the bonafides of the brand amongst haute horlogerie buyers at the same timeframe that Patek had abandoned the Geneva seal, doubled its production, started obviously cutting corners on the finishing of its entry level models, and started making abominations like their Zenith copy pilot's watch. Patek is regarded amongst a lot of haute horlogerie buyers as being in the air over the shark into exclusively surviving off of rappers and thirsty noveau riche cunts like AP.
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>>63746354
naa their grand complications are still highly regarded. They are moving that way though
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>>63746403
Their grand complications are done by their re-organized haute horlogerie department that is all that remains of the old Patek. Everything done outside of that department is markedly inferior to comparable VCs, much less ALS models.
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>>63745610
Regardless of the polishing, there is a gap of a few micrometers between the lugs and the bracelet. Rolex bracelets have almost perfect lug to bracelet matches.
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>>63746266
Vacheron Constantin is one of the greatest watchmakers in the world right now. They're not a perfect brand but they are one of the only major large-scale manufacturers to take traditional watchmaking seriously which is why they've trained shitloads of people on old fashioned hand finishing techniques instead of relying on machines like Patek Philippe has started doing. The fact that they do the same beautiful, high horology standard across all of their model lines (even the cheaper ones) ensures customers aren't getting a "lesser" watch like when they get a base model Traditionelle Small Seconds versus someone buying some $80,000 Perpetual Calender Chronograph.

Plus they're one of the very, very few Swiss watchmakers that still comply and hold to the standards of the Geneva Hallmark, even having a dedicated department in-house that does nothing but test and pre-inspect all of their watches ensuring absolute compliance to the very high standards for the Poinçon de Genève. Patek Philippe is now a joke with their PP seal which flies in the face of the entire point of a hallmark and the quality drop on some of their base models has been noted ever since. And then you have Audemars Piguet which has become "The Royal Oak Company" and makes very little for normal white people.

>Their sports line is a joke.

The Nautilus is borderline a woman's watch and is laugably overpriced, and the Royal Oak is for niggers.

The only company that has an offering that beats the Overseas line, period, is Rolex. And Rolex only wins out on certain points because they're big on free sprung movements and more sturdy construction with balance bridges, while the Overseas movements are honestly a tad on the simple side in terms of design. But the finishing standard on the Overseas is truly miles above anything you see on a Rolex and, again, has the Hallmark of Geneva on it.
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>>63746486
No, you are still Mistaking part of the mirrored chamfer as a gap. This angle makes it more obvious that the mirrored chamfer touches the end link with no gap.
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>>63745636

They shouldn't "move" but they should have some space to give if needed
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>>63746266
>a Calatrava is a superior choice
opinion eternally diacarded
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>>63746307
No, there's nothing to set it with. It's connected directly to the hour wheel as well as the date mechanism. And on a 31xx the date wheel can be moved both forward and reverse.

Maybe I'm missing something though, some intricate and hidden way on how this works, despite finishing the dial side completely today. I'll read into it.
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>>63746623

so why are they known only for the patrimony and have the worst value retention out of the holy trinity?
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>>63746973
> The date wheel can be moved both forward and reverse.
Ah. I get it now. Yeah that sounds like a really useless moonphase
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this thread makes me realize:
a) how little I know about watches
b) how poor I am
c) how much you guys care
d) how little I care
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>>63747004
>so why are they known only for the patrimony and have the worst value retention out of the holy trinity?

Because resale value is driven by the collector market and Patek Philippe sucks collector dick and has an absolute shitload of reference books and online material people can pour over and learn about all of their cool historic watches and what specific ones they want to get.

Vacheron Constantin has absolutely nothing but small, piecemeal bits of information various collectors have collated together to give you a general idea about their vintage watches even existing. The only reliable way to get any info is to contact Vacheron Constantin themselves and have them pull an extract from their archive, which is of only limited scope and value.

Plus Vacheron went through a period from the 1980's to the early 2000's where they made really fucking ugly, dated-looking watches so those aren't going to retain value like the timeless looking watches Patek made in the same timeframe.

And Audemars Piguet has shit resale value on everything other than the Royal Oak which is kept going strong in the secondary market purely by Arabs.
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Hodinkee live one watch
rolex day date
rolex day date
rolex day date
explorer 1
explorer 1

Fucking patricians
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>>63744399
Just the base 3105 movement is beautiful. I would love if it was still around, having the strength to power a chronograph but on a simple 3 hander.
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>>63747132
For me it goes like this:
a) Watch guys are very sensitive
b) Watch guys primaly appreciate expensive watches and hand finished swiss movements
c) Watch guys do not really care about variety in watches (a few exceptions in this thread)
d) Hard to find a mass produced affordable watch that would get anyone's appreciation no matter how good it is
e) Watch guys do not care about accuracy, most would not invest a few hundred on a thermocompensated quartz while at the same time are willing to invest in a far inferior mechanical because of it's feel
f) Some watch guys are VERY brand faithfull which is always bullshit in my mind.
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>>63747348
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>>63747347
yeah, I can see your point.
Do you have an emotional connection to watches?
I dont, but I do equate economic success with possessing one. I dont have one at the moment but I'd like to, one day.
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>>63747396
Well I have never really had the chance of forming a emotional connection with a watch. My first one for casual use was a citizen shitter which I would sell in a heartbeat if someone gave 40 bucks for it.

I kind of agree with you on the economic success point, but it would be one of the last on my list.
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>>63745217
Apparently there's only 3000 made of these, pretty cool man. Almost wish I'd kept bidding
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>>63733386
When I first started coming to these threads in 2015, I was 3 years out of high school working a shit dead end job and couldn't afford anything more than very inexpensive Slavshit or Malaysian slave labour Seikos. You, /wt/, motivated me to apply to college and get a better education. Still a poor student now but with any luck, I'll be an accountant in a few years.

Rolex incoming in 10 years time.
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>>63739840
Wearing something Chinese on your wrist
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>>63744860
Here a clock for you grandpa
You will never be late for bingo again
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>>63745610
This anon fucks
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>>63747184
This is why I come to /wt/




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