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/gg/ - Gentoo General

https://gentoo.org
Quick Install: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Quick_Installation_Checklist
Quicker Install: https://chiru.no/u/installgentoo.txt
Prebuilt Gentoo image and binhost: https://ca.cloveros.ga
Packages: http://packages.gentoo.org
FAQ: https://gitgud.io/cloveros/cloveros/blob/master/FAQ.md
IRC: #gentoo on irc.freenode.net | #cloveros on irc.rizon.net (all questions or help welcome)

Come here for help or general questions, post your configuration, discuss packages or overlays, CloverOS, post your desktop, anything else Gentoo, etc. Newfriends welcome.
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Newbie here, with a few questions about getting the system bootable.
I have a 64 bit UEFI capable (but of course BIOS and legacy BIOS) capable Thinkpad that I've tried to get gentoo on twice before giving up because I needed a working system at the time. I'd get errors with grub complaining about things like an unidentified target and wouldn't be able to boot.
Which partitioning scheme should I follow and which grub install directions?
Or is it also reasonable to half-ass this part and fix it with boot repair disk?
And, should I just try installing it in a VM until I git gud?

Any tips are of great use to me.
Now, back to lurking for me.
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>>64006251
if you want UEFi no point in using grub, just use gummiboot or refind. your error eas probably due to the fact that you din’t set efi as grub target in your make.conf [cod
e] # Both UEFI and PC
GRUB_PLATFORMS="efi-64 pc" [/code]
by the way this a prime example of gentoo being trash, why the fuck isn’t that a grub2 USE flag instead of being some shit you have to set in your make.conf
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>memepad x220
>livecd environment werks
>install goes smoothly until after rebooting
After entering encryprtion passphrase display is fucked up and can't properly show command line interface
Any thoughts?
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>>64006995
I've never had to specify that in order to get grub to boot. Now that I think about it, what the hell does that even do? What even are use flags?
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>>64007135
I had basically the same issue. I never solved it; just wanted to say that Gentoo is fucking confusing, especially since the documentation pertaining to the stuff is so sparse. Being Gentoo is suffering.
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>>64006995
>>>64006251 (You)
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># Both UEFI and PC
>GRUB_PLATFORMS="efi-64 pc"


I was just recently looking back at the handbook and questioned if I did that, so that's probably it.
Is it reasonable though to use a boot repair disk though? I saw it somewhere on a forum.

And I don't necessarily want to use UEFI if it makes it any harder, it seems to me that the benefits of UEFI are marginal.

>by the way this a prime example of gentoo being trash
Yeah I still don't get why you're expected to do all this shit manually anyway, why not like with a kernel config where you have default settings (so what the handbook defaults to) and can edit them or just hold down enter?
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using gentoo is simply not 1337 enough
install netbsd or plan9
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>>>64007135
>Being Gentoo is suffering.
But life is suffering (according to Buddhism), so is gentoo life? Does gentoo live? Is the first true AI released under GPL?!
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>>64007240
Use flags are as I understand it information emerge (I think) uses when building programs to ensure full compatibility and all the features you want while skipping or removing those you don't. It's the autistic strength of gentoo.
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>>64006075
Wallpaper? Nice stuff BTW
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>>64007424
>grub
if you booted your pc in bios mode instead of UEFI to install gentoo, grub will only compile bios mode by default, you can set this at compile with the "--with-platform=" option. that's what you do with the extra setting in make.conf. Usually compilation options are set with USE flags in gentoo but for some reason they decided to make it a special setting.

I would advise to use the arch install iso as a rescue/install disk as it supports UEFI/BIOS boot, has all the drivers you could want and wifi-menu makes it easy to connect to wireless.
Once you booted with the arch iso you can mount your gentoo partition, follow the chroot instructions and once you are in chroot you can install bootloader, compile kernel and so on until you get to the point where your system is bootable and has networking enabled.
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>>64007494
That's not what use flags are.
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>>64007472
You tried to make a joke and you ended up making yourself sound like a moron.
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>>>64007494 (You)
>That's not what use flags are.
I tried to answer it, how about after saying my answer is wrong you answer it yourself?
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>>64007802
>>>64007472 (You)
>You tried to make a joke and you ended up making yourself sound like a moron.
Woah, you're so smart and perceptive... But, what if that was the joke...
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What are USE flags?

/etc/portage/package.use generally determines what your Gentoo install will look like. The first thing new Gentoo users should do is read the USE flags for their packages.

https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/media-gfx/gimp

There's two types of USE flags that are treated equally: global and local.

Global USE flags are the ones that are in many packages, they generally do the same thing no matter what package uses them.

Local USE flags are the ones that are in a few packages and require you to read https://packages.gentoo.org to read what they do. You can also read the .ebuild to get an even better idea of what it does.

USE flags are basically ./configure parameters made easy.

Examples here:

https://gitgud.io/cloveros/cloveros/blob/master/binhost_settings/etc/portage/make.conf

https://gitgud.io/cloveros/cloveros/blob/master/binhost_settings/etc/portage/package.use
What are keywording and unmasking?

https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/media-gfx/gimp

See the green and the yellow? Green means you can just emerge gimp and get that version. But what if you want 2.9? It's keyworded, which means it isn't stable.

Gentoo Stable is using packages that aren't keyworded, as in they're tested and guaranteed to work.

Just add media-gfx/gimp to /etc/portage/package.keywords and you'll get the latest keyworded (Yellow) version.

Masked (Red) is just another step forward of keywording and the file is at /etc/portage/package.unmask

You can unmask or unkeyword a specific version by doing =media-gfx/gimp-2.9.6

https://gitgud.io/cloveros/cloveros/#what-are-use-flags
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>>64009394
Thank you for that.
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Should I do something to use enable what's in my CPU_FLAGS_X86 ?
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>>64006995
>this is a prime example of gentoo being trash
>why is it not a USE flag
It is, GRUB_PLATFORMS is part of USE_EXPAND, just like VIDEO_CARDS, INPUT_DEVICES or ABI_X86. All flags in such variables are expanded to normal USE flags, such as video_cards_nouveau, or grub_platforms_efi-64.
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>>64009394
>Gentoo Stable is using packages that aren't keyworded
The packages you're talking about are keyworded with arch, for each CPU architecture they're considered stable on. ~arch is packages currently being tested on that arch. Unkeyworded packages, such as live ebuilds are not tested or cannot be tested, they're unmasked by **, which means "accept all keywords, even no keywords".
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is clover os the same as gentoo? what are the differences
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>>64010723
https://gitgud.io/cloveros/cloveros/

Only difference is package configuration. You can get the same thing on Gentoo with
PORTAGE_BINHOST="https://cloveros.ga" emerge -G package
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>>64010802
thanx.
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>>64005795
anterfag here, one question, is it true that in gentoo updating packages such as browsers can take days to do it?
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>>64010987
It takes literally months to build nano
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>>64010997
why and why would i chose gentoo if i have work in my life
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>>64008068
>I was only pretending to be retarded!
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>>64011169
why would you post in a gentoo thread if you don't want to use gentoo

by the way it doesn't take long to build nano at all. as for browsers, I have a very slow computer really only meant for office work. compiling chromium takes about 12-14 hours. I just let it do that overnight while I sleep.
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>>64011228
sorry, i am just curious about gentoo. I just want to know what makes it so worth it for the compilation being slow.
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>17.1 profiles
what did they mean by this?
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>>64011299
Compilation isn't really all that slow on modern machines.

Plus you don't have to do anything much, the net effect when you are otherwise browsing porn or whatever is mostly that you have a bit less RAM.

Advantage is pretty easy long term maintenance & configurability down to easy patching, compile time config and so on.
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>>64010987
Unless you have a shitty processor, an update should never take more than a few days. You can also use distcc to build on a different system if you have a laptop with bad cooling or something like that.
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>>64011422
>should never take more than a few days
meant few hours. fuck.
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>>64011383
Gentoo profile 17 was out a while ago. Figures 17.1 is being prepared or released then?
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>>64011299
the advantages are appealing to a niche group of people. for everyone else who uses gentoo, it's just a hobby thing, like building a computer. You don't really have to build it yourself, and you're really not saving much money when you factor in the time/labor cost, but the feeling of achievement is nice, and your parents will think you're a genius
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>>64011460
yeah
think it came out in the last couple days sometime
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>>64011450
you scared me there
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>>64011422
also are these specs good to have a fast gentoo?
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> A new set of 17.1 amd64 profiles has been added to the Gentoo repository. Those profiles switch to a more standard 'no SYMLINK_LIB' multilib layout, and require explicit migration as described below. They are considered experimental at the moment, and have a fair risk of breaking your system. We would therefore like to ask our users to test them on their non-production ~amd64 systems.
> In those profiles, the lib->lib64 compatibility symlink is removed. The 'lib' directory becomes a separate directory
> The migration is performed using app-portage/unsymlink-lib tool.
Very nice that they even provided a simple migration tool. Some gentoo devs are usability heroes.
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Anyone else in the process of upgrading to 17.0? Currently re-compiling my whole system, and here I wanted to go to sleep early...
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Can Gentoo be used as binary distro? like not having to compile all the packages
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>>64013280
There are some binary packages but no
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>>64005795
Ok, i haven't installed gentoo linux but i do know is

- Configuring basic stuff inside the gentoo installation
- Configuring & Compiling the kernel
- Learning how portage works

Anything else?
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I don't have much experience with it, but I was pleasantly surprised to find that the VirtualBox guest additions were surprisingly easy to set up.
8/10, would install on desktop and server but Arch is more convenient
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>>64013620
You have to be fairly comfortable with the command line. The documentation is pretty thorough.
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>>64011638
any modern desktop that can keep its CPU below the throttling temperature should be fine.
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what are the steps to install clover OS?
I made a live usb and then ran the installscript.sh but the drive wasnt even bootable. whats more, it only had a single partition which didnt even have a bootable flag on it.....where did I fuck up?
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>>64007589
https://carlostown.deviantart.com/gallery/
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>>64011299
compilation is fast on my fx-8350, firefox builds in 15 minutes. maybe you should upgrade your corelet intlel botnet
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>>64015073
did you try booting from the iso? it has the install script run on start up and gparted is available to check and format disk/partitions as you need.
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>>64015073
>>64015148
https://a.doko.moe/cngnzh.mp4
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>>64005795
You know I was just wondering what to install on my 2nd laptop after Debian Unstable broke. I always compile my own latest rc kernel and a few multimedia libraries and I almost decided to go with gentoo.
I'm glad I didn't though. The community is full of irrational systemd haters who spit on everything pottering has touched. I for one feel proud to be using wayland and systemd, as well as looking forward to using bus1 as soon as possible. I used to use kdbus back 2 years ago before it got scrapped too and that was awesome, looking at all the data that could be transferred over IPC.
I think that all systemd supplies is the best implementation - including network managing (fuck networkmanager), ntp (timesyncd is less bloated and more robust than anything else), bootctl (grub is a bloated piece of crap), resolved (fastest and uses caching more efficiently than say dnsmasq) and the overall set of utilities and services.
Sure, gentoo offers systemd but it would suck to be regarded as the outsider, a freak, a defiler of the unix way. And because gentoo supports other init systems that also means systemd integration is subpar compared to any other sane distribution.
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>>64015209
Plenty of people use systemd with gentoo. There are large sections of the wiki dedicated to systemd and bespoke advice for systemd users on many entries.
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>>64015192
thanx! ill try again
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I installed gentoo, but that installation was shit so I have a question

Does really gentoo give good performance better than other distros? Because I have a shit hardware in my computers.
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>>64015496
Nope there is no noticable performance increase. The appeal is primarily meant to be customisation.

I would not use it on shit hardware because compiling from source can be very time consuming even if you don't update too often.

That said if it isn't your main PC then it might be fun to have a minimal install and binary packages are available for large programs.
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I've a choice between an X230 i5 and a quad core W520. Going to use one of these laptops for gentoo. I believe the W520 is better suited for gentoo. what do you think?

Inb4 W520 weighs too much. I am not a manlet or girl so laptop weight doesn't really matter to me.
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Why isn't there a prebuilt Gentoo I can just install like I could Ubuntu or Fedora? Why do I have to compile everything myself? What's the point?
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>>64016480
>Ubuntu or Fedora

Set up a desktop profile and emerge world.
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>>64015496
Gentoo performance is generally better than other distros if you build with -march=native and have a CPU with SSE4
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>>64017451
There's also a <15% performance increase compared to other distros when using O3 or Ofast.
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>>64015235
Not only that, there are tons of Gentoo users using ``non-Unix'' filesystems like ZFS. It's almost like those obnoxious Unix weenies only like to complain when it's convenient for them, because I don't see any of them use UFS.
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>>64015235
>implying sabayon counts as gentoo
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>>64017643
>ZFS
>filesystem of Solaris
>Solaris is more Unix than Linux

What's the problem here?
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>merge a github kernel config
how do?
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>>64017855
openzfs is a filesystem of Illumos, you dolt. And I'm not going to even begin to explain how stupid that induction is.
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>>64018054
>OpenZFS, filesystem of OpenSolaris (now illumos)
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>>64017815
I decided to give Gentoo a shot today and I really like it so far, but I wanted to test installing all the dependencies for thinkpad-scripts and Sphinx is not even showing up in emerge. I tried a few alternatives, but I'm not that familiar with python. Any ideas?
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>>64018134
do you want dev-python/sphinx or app-misc/sphinx

emerge one (or both)
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>>64018047
wget http://liquorix.net/sources/4.14/config.amd64
genkernel --kernel-config=config.amd64 all
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>>64018160
I have tried using dev-python/sphinx, but I get
 emerge: there are no binary packages to satisfy "dev-python/sphinx" I tried even searching for dev-python/sphinx on https://packages.gentoo.org/ but the page will not load on any of my devices.
(FYI, I am using CloverOS in a virtual machine because I wanted to give it a quick test without having to spend the time installing it in a virtual machine).
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>>64018229
Okay I'm putting it in CloverOS now, wait 15min
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Can someone link a guide for installing gentoo on a ps3? I finally got a hacked cfw one.

Also I'd like to run certian x86 programs, is there a way to make it install all the libraries the program needs in x86 format then only run that specific app in x86 mode? It is not free software btw.
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>>64018229
Another option, ./cloveros_settings.sh and change to source and emerge it
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>>64018101
OpenSolaris isn't Illumos, nor is OpenSolaris Solaris.
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>>64018210
Doesn't portage have liquorix sources?
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>>64018259
meaning qemu im not retarded btw
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>>64017451
>>64017466
>>64015650
I had installed gentoo in virtualbox but the problem always comes to my mind is, How do I configure the kernel? Or more proper question is, which is the proper way? Because I read the wiki an the forums but they have tons of configurations.
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>>64018319
In my experience with Virtualbox, you should just use common sense. Go through the device drivers and the virtualization section and enable what looks obviously necessary and disable what looks obviously unnecessary. Make sure you check the documentation just in case.
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>>64018261
That worked, thanks man!
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>>64017441
is there a guide for this? Basically I want a babby version of gentoo
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>>64018259
Pretty much every distro dropped support for PS3. Just burn the latest ps3 livecd you can find.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OtherOS#AsbestOS
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why are the package servers broken?
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>>64016480
> Why isn't there a prebuilt Gentoo I can just install like I could Ubuntu or Fedora?
Because Gentoo is managing its software with portage that way, and not with binaries.

Feel free to use CloverOS, Sabayon or whatever.

> Why do I have to compile everything myself? What's the point?
The point of Gentoo is that it helps a lot with compiling packages while still allowing sauce code patches or compile time configuration / toolchain variations to be applied.

Maybe Gentoo just isn't for you if you did not want to do anything with sauce code or compile time configuration / toolchain variations.

Granted there are a few more things like the configuration management that Gentoo also gives a hand with that you might be interested in, but nobody says it's the right distribution for every [human / organization] user, even if it can cover virtually any software setup.
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Just finished installing Gentoo the other day. Fucking easy as shit. Took about two days, but only because I read up on every single thing I came across and didn't recognize. Customized the kernel and .confs like a motherfucker too. If I were to do it again with mostly native settings, I'd probably take me under an hour (compilation time included). Anyways, kinda proud about it and saw this thread so I felt like sharing. If I ever teach a Linux class, I'd be on installing Gentoo while diving into every subject the process touches on. Good way to learn if you take the time to do more than just follow instructions.
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>>64013371
is there even software for bsd or plan9
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>>64019756
It isn't supposed to be hard anyhow, but /g/ has apparently many who think reading is a difficult challenge.

Maintaining your Gentoo installs (running updates and dispatch-conf) also generally isn't hard, BTW.
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>>64017451
>>64017451
>>64017466
What? Explain
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>>64013280
Generally speaking Gentoo itself is intended to be used with your desired configuration. And since your desired configuration can only be applied to source packages, that's what you get.

If you don't need your own specific configuration, use Sabayon, CloverOS, or just any of the many binary Linux distros that aren't even Gentoo-related.
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>>64019825
can you use regular binary distros with a custom kernel and if so, does it make a difference?
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>>64019839
> can you use regular binary distros with a custom kernel
Sure. It's even easy, most kernel patchsets don't have any complex dependencies.

Chances are that you don't need to change anything and can just compile and use the kernel you want.

> and if so, does it make a difference?
Uh, of course? You are using a different kernel to get whatever that different kernel does - whether it's a set of different schedulers / scheduler tweaks or a slimmed down security enhanced kernel that is anal about certain types of memory accesses and such. And that then is the difference you wanted and get.
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>>64019796
I wouldn't say it's hard either, but it can definitely be time consuming if you don't recognize most of the options, like when configuring the kernel for example. Sure, you could probably get by just leaving most things as is, but if you really want a setup where you're aware part of the configuration in the areas where it makes sense, then it'll take some time to learn what you might want, as well as what you might not want.
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>>64019891
> but it can definitely be time consuming if you don't recognize most of the options
Follow the handbook if you don't know that and how you want to do a variant of it

> like when configuring the kernel for example
What Gentoo needs is documented in the handbook. What you need remains the same between distros. If you never did it before - have this quote from the handbook:
> If a manual configuration looks too daunting, then using genkernel is recommended. It will configure and build the kernel automatically

> it'll take some time to learn what you might want
Identify issues that bother you, fix them specifically?

You don't really have enough time to systematically look at all possible source code and configuration changes and customize *everything* even if Gentoo gives you pretty easy access to virtually all of it.
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>>64020009
I'm not saying you should look at all the source code. Also, I'm not saying that the handbook doesn't provide a full installation guide. It does. But if you want to configure a system to work in a certain way, you've gotta take the time to look up shit like cpu governors or CRC T10 DIF PCLMULQDQ acceleration and if your hardware supports it.
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>>64020100
> But if you want to configure a system to work in a certain way
Depending on what that certain way is, that requires looking at configurables *and/or* source code, sure.

> you've gotta take the time to look up shit like cpu governors or CRC T10 DIF PCLMULQDQ acceleration
If you need to steer memory / processing power usage for some reason (despite the schedulers generally being better by default than on any other OS you've used and never needed to configure this way...), you just literally set up what fraction / time share / memory share / whatever your process(es) get in cgroups.

But it sounds more like you wanted to rice rather than identified a certain problem and addressed it specifically. Because if you want to address one issue specifically you generally just go where information on the internet points you for a possible solution and change just that bit.
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>>64020184
>it sounds more like you wanted to rice
Isn't that the whole point? I don't mean stupid shit like colorful terminals with snazzy fonts, but basically configuring your system so that it runs the way you want it to run. For me, that was making speeds as fast as possible while keeping adverse effects on battery life under a certain threshold. Took it all the way to the BIOS actually. Running ram at unsupported (at least officially) speeds. 1867MHz motherfuckers! lol
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How you build gentoo kernel configuration - manually or automatic?
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>>64019825
Is CloverOS based of the stable or testing release?
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best light window manager?
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>>64022037
i3 is a good start, with easy configuration options.
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Are there any other good guides for writing ebuilds beyond the two pages on the wiki?

I'm trying to write one for a piece of java software that is a binary and run from a bash script. (Not sure why it is distributed like this but the devs are primarily academics.) Basically there are a lot of moving parts I need to account for in my ebuild so I'd appreciate a detailed guide.
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are you guys seeing gentoo.org 504 as well?
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Use eix instead of packages.gentoo.org
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>>64022037
dwm or fvwm
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How do you deal with optimus laptops?
On arch I had some problems with bumblebee but overall it was decent. I still have to figure configure this shit on Gentoo and some advices would be appreciated.

Is it possible to use my nvidia gpu for everything and forget about the integrated intel one?
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prebuilt arm6 image when?
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I'm having issues installing Caja on CloverOS. I get this message after trying to
 #emerge caja 

emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy ">=sys-libs/libblockdev-2.14[crypt]".
!!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
- sys-libs/libblockdev-2.14-r1::gentoo (Missing IUSE: crypt)
(dependency required by "sys-fs/udisks-2.7.4::gentoo" [binary])
(dependency required by "gnome-base/gvfs-1.30.4::gentoo" [binary])
(dependency required by "mate-base/caja-1.12.7-r2::gentoo" [binary])
(dependency required by "caja" [argument])
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kinda unrelated but whats up with the hate for gnome?

after having installed gentoo on my laptop and have it as its main driver, I'm looking at installing gentoo on my desktop now. it's just i don't want to go ultra minimalist 1337 shit this time.
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>>64026128
It's a DE that requires systemd.

Gnome is the most bloated software that does absolutely nothing
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>>64005795
Hi,
using on x220
some browsers using webkit
are misrendering svgs on
discordapp.com index
anyone else with same issue?

sometimes stepmania
or xonotic, played more time
makes intel gpu driver hang
anyone else with same issue?

already on new gcc
using efi-stub
from the beginning
anyone else with same issue?

teh stabilimemeity
issues are moving
my penis
not really
i am femanon
statement above is false

have a good one
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>>64025406
It's a known problem because Gentoo changed crypt to cryptsetup

Try this:

emerge -1O libblockdev udisks
emerge caja


I'm seeing how to fix it on CloverOS' end
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>>64005795
Hi guys. Absolute noob installing gentoo here.

I get this error:

grub-install: error: /boot doesn't look like an EFI partition.
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>>64026648
Is /boot formatted to the correct filesystem? Do you have the 2mb vfat grub partition at the start of your partition table? Is your fstab correct?
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>>64026957
Is /boot mounted?
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What's the correct way to update/upgrade everything?
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>>64026412
I don't have the misrendering issue, no. I don't use an Intel integrated GPU either, though.

>>64026648
That's probably exactly what it says. /boot or /boot/efi or such should be one of the EFI standard partitions IF you install an EFI grub rather than a msdos boot one... which presumably you want to because it seems like it detected an EFI system.
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>>64027133
emerge --sync && emerge -uND --keep-going=y @world
tends to be fine. It's not THE only way, some people like -a or omit the keep-going part to get the errors right when they happen or such.
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>>64026329
fair enough.
Thats a shame. I really like how gnome looks.

hol up i just found this : https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GNOME/GNOME_Without_systemd

alright if no one else objects im ganna commit to installing gentoo on my main rig with de-systemd gnome. lets hope it werks
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>>64015496
>Gentoo Linux is named after the fast-swimming gentoo penguin. The name was chosen to reflect the potential speed improvements of machine-specific optimization, which is a major feature of Gentoo. Gentoo package management is designed to be modular, portable, easy to maintain, and flexible. Gentoo describes itself as a meta-distribution because of its adaptability, in that the majority of users have configurations and sets of installed programs which are unique to themselves.[5]
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>>64013620
Anything else guys???
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>>64027279
>--keep-going=y
Could have used that for the mega-update we had a while back
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>>64005795
Is gentoo minimal?
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>>64030746
Compared to other Linux distros and for everything it supports, yeah. But in general, it's not OpenBSD. And it's up to you whether including software build tools counts against minimal.

You'll be surprised at how low your RAM will be when using Gentoo.
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>>64030763
Another question. If gentoo is hard to install who maintains it?
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>>64030901
Gentoo isn't hard to install, it just requires an understanding of basic unix tools and ability to follow directions.
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>>64024401
https://www.dotslashlinux.com/2017/06/04/setting-up-bumblebee-on-gentoo-linux/
He also has a huge guide about his kernel config:
https://www.dotslashlinux.com/2017/08/24/the-linux-kernel-configuration-guide-part-1/
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I'm curious where and when dhcpcd is started.
i already tried:
grep -R dhcp /etc/runlevel
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>>64031592
rc-config list
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>>64031660
  acpid                     default
agetty
alsasound
apmd
binfmt boot
bootmisc boot
bumblebee default
busybox-ntpd
busybox-watchdog
consolefont
consolekit default
dbus
devfs sysinit
device-mapper
dhcpcd
dmcrypt
dmesg sysinit
dmeventd
fancontrol
fsck boot
fuse
git-daemon
hdparm
hostname boot
hwclock boot
iptables
keymaps boot
killprocs shutdown
kmod-static-nodes sysinit
laptop_mode default
lm_sensors default
local default
localmount boot
loopback boot
lvm
lvm-monitoring
lvmetad
mit-krb5kadmind
mit-krb5kdc
mit-krb5kpropd
modules boot
modules-load boot
mount-ro shutdown
mtab boot
net-online
net.enp0s25
net.lo
netmount default
nullmailer
numlock
nvidia-persistenced
nvidia-smi
openconnect
opentmpfiles-dev
opentmpfiles-setup
openvpn
osclock
pciparm
pktcdvd
procfs boot
pwcheck
pydoc-2.7
pydoc-3.6
root boot
rsyncd
runsvdir
s6-svscan
samba
saslauthd
savecache shutdown
slapd
sshd
swap boot
swclock
sysctl boot
sysfs sysinit
sysklogd default
sysstat
termencoding boot
udev sysinit
udev-settle
udev-trigger sysinit
urandom boot
wpa_supplicant default
xdm
xdm-setup
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>>64031733
rc-config add dhcpcd
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>>64031741
it already starts with the system
im just curious why it starts
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>>64031753
your computer is haunted mate
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how to recompile all -9999 packages ?
do i need to keep track of this ?
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>>64031958
emerge -1 $(eix -Jc | grep 9999 | cut -d" " -f2 | tr "\n" " ")
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>>64032014
do i need to do this frequently?
i'm afraid that portage will not update my -9999 packages because the version does not increase
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>>64032026
just do it after every world update, which should be done every occasion
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>>64032046
just emerged eix
it seems very useful
thx buddy didn't know that
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how often should full upgrades be run?
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>>64032569
run
emerge -uvDN world
every few fortnights or whenever you get bored
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>>64032784
going to do it weekly from now on
neglected my gentoo system since I only use it locally and now I'm having fun unfucking a bunch of old packages when I decided to run upgrades
novice mistake I guess
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bump
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>>64031958
IIRC:
emerge @live-rebuild

Also:
smart-live-rebuild
paludis <- what I use, but it is quite exotic
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>>64030401
Yup. Good thing to have. I basically always use it.
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>>64005795

/dev/sda1 BIOS boot partition
/dev/sda2 Boot partition
/dev/sda3 Swap partition
/dev/sda4 Root partition

If i use fdisk, is that alright?
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>>64032784
wuts the difference between world and @world?
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>>64036429
@world is the correct way to type it

package sets are prefixed with @
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>>64036429
world will only fallback to a set when there is no package named world. You didn't used to be able to call sets explicitly with @.
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hello is this windows tech support forum?
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>>64038579
yes sir. open bob to proceed
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a
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Where's the anime tiddy wallpapers url
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anyone using a intel advanced N 6205 wireless card?
any idea what the firmware filename is for it?
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>>64040450
Intel says it's:
>iwlwifi-6000g2a-ucode
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005511/network-and-i-o/wireless-networking.html
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>>64041073
nice just what I needed thanks
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Is there a command I can use to look up all the packages that are using specific use flags?
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>>64042114
equery hasuse

emerge gentoolkit
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>>64040395
http://cloveros.booru.org
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>>64042262
cheers
time to tidy up the make.conf
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why is updating perl such a clusterfuck?
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>>64043457
because its perl
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>>64043571
working my way from the past with old portage snaphsots
everything was going smooth and then I ran into the fun perl block
emerge is the tool of the masochist, these memes are too intense for me
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>>64043634
because its python
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>>64036016
That is exactly what it says in the wiki. Probably makes it easier to follow first time. Make sure /mnt/gentoo and /boot are mounted before GRUB is installed and configured. Copy the fstab from the wiki.
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>>64044416
Meme shitpost.
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>>64044416
>You can make any distro exactly like any other
I'll give you $50 if you can make Ubuntu anything even remotely close to Slackware.
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>>64044469
>>64044457
the butthurt is real, sorry for threatening your meaningless identity of "xtreeeeem linux haxer"
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thunderbird-52.5.0 has vulnerability and 52.5.2 fixes this.
but 52.5.2 is not in the gentoo overlay.
What is the most correct way to install 52.5.2 ?

For example, how wrong would it be to:
>go on https://gpo.zugaina.org
> look what overlay has 52.5.2
>layman -a [name of overlay]
>layman -S
>emerge thunderbird
>layman -d [name of overlay]

is there an more elegant way ?
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Wouldn't it have been better to symlink lib to lib32 in 17.1 first for testing?
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I have luks key on USB and it is used for decrypting root on my ssd but can it also decrpt my home folder in HDD at the same time? I'm following sakakis gentoo install guide rn doing stage 2 to stage 3 I hope my setup works..
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>>64044821
>not updated yet
what a joke of a distro
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>>64044002
>use corporatized shitware or beta test rpm trash where simple upgrades break system
nice meme
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how to solve the "cyclical dependency error" in gentoo
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>>64047850
is it related to Xorg ?
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>>64047850
personally, add packages with version to update to to package.accept_keywords, do not know if that is the best way (qt was a shitfest, had to manually add about 20 packages)
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>>64047850
manually emerge one of the packages that causes problem without the use flag of the other package or try to play around with --backtrack=
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>>64047959
>>64047976
these are the errors /1
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>>64047959
>>64047976
>>64047998
/2
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>>64047998
start by emerging mercurial
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>>64047998
>>64048010
did you update your use flags? pyqt needs opengl widgets gui
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I booted up cloveros after upgrading the kernel to 4.14.8 and the keyboard worked for tty, the resolution is fucked up, and when I start up any DE or WM, my keyboard and mouse stop reading inputs. Did the kernel update fuck up X.org?
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>>64050404
emerge @module-rebuild
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>>64050454
my ethernet isn't even being detected. I'm going to reinstall.
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>>64050574
actually I switched to the 4.14.12 kernel. For some reason modprobe had me use the 4.14.8 kernel by default. I'm going to change that in grub.
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can someone tell me why the audio crackles, pops ony win 10 PCIe passtrough virtual machine? I tried using the virtualized sound device which comes with qemu, tried using HDMI cable to pump through audio to my monitor from the vm, tried passthrough my onboard audio, but all the same resoult. Only time when it worked is to use my Bluetooth adapter on vm and use my bluetooth or install virtual audio cable on windows and tunnel through the audio with ts3 server using opus music codec. Wtf? Why audio quality so shit when it comes to virtualizing on linux hosts?
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>>64050639
whoops meant the 4.14.2 kernel.
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>>64050639
I uninstalled virtualbox, hopefully that will help
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>>64050574
Very few issues require a reinstall. You'll find it more satisfying to carefully debug.

I've never encountered an issue on gentoo or arch that couldn't be solved by chrooting. Read the gentoo wiki page for exact instructions.
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>>64052259
well I switched to a fallback kernel and got rid of virtualbox, hopefully that works.
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can't boot into cloveros iso pls fix
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a
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>>64045596
I dont think anyone knows about 17.1 yet
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bump
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>>64057386
cute
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>>64005795
I've installed cloverOS and got wifi working by installing wpa supplicant. But one thing i can't figure out is the autostarting of it. I have added it to the default runlevel by doing.
root> rc-update add wpa_supplicant

but it does not seem to start at boot and i have to start it manually with. (which works perfectly)
root> /etc/init.d/wpa_supplicant start

Why is it not working and how can i fix this?
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>>64058656
Your wifi doesn't initialize until ~3 minutes after your machine boots (check dmesg)
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>>64059539
Anyway to speed it up?
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>>64059550
Get a wifi adapter that respects your freedoms I guess.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/AW-NU138-150Mbps-Atheros-AR9271-Wireless-USB-LAN-Network-Adapter-Wifi-Dongle/192126210905?epid=626407604&hash=item2cbb9d5359:g:30oAAOSwbwJZ6cSv
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>>64059560
Thanks, i have a couple of wifi cards laying around. Will check if they have free drivers.
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bamp
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>>64005795
tfw gentoo is gay
alpine is better
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>>64061917
Looks like Kevin distrohopped
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is it hard to get multilib and wine working?
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>>64062444
lazy way to do it to just add abi_x86_32 to your useflags and do a emerge -DuavN @world
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Anyone tried updating their kernel to 4.9.49 yet? I've got 4.14.8 installed at the moment but am feeling lazy. Is there any potential issue with skipping a few kernel releases?
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>>64058656
install a real init and not some meme 80's shit tier.
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Why do i need stage3-hardened?
Also gentoo-hardened project is rip? (only 4.8 kernel in repos)
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>>64059577
that's not the issue, you don't add wpa_supplicant but a your wifi interface, so for example if you wifi interface is wlo1
>cd /etc/init.d
>ln -s net.lo wlo1
>rc-update add default wlo1
this way the network init script handles wpa_supplicant itself.
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>>64063132
Same here, created an symbolic link between net.lo and wlp2s0, then added it to startup.

Still when i boot it can't find wlp2s0 and fails to start. But when i have booted and run it manually
>/etc/init.d/wlp2s0 start
It works just fine
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>>64063637
I get this when i looh through dmesg:
>[ 8.140709] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-6000-6.ucode failed with error -2
>[ 8.140711] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: Falling back to user helper
>[ 70.623178] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-6000-5.ucode failed with error -2
>[ 70.623180] iwlwifi 0000:02:00.0: Falling back to user helper

Found someone that had the same problem
http://z-issue.com/wp/linux-firmware-for-iwlwifi-ucode-failed-with-error-2/

Can i fix this without having to recompile the kernel (I have a slow processor)?
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>>64063770
just recompile the kernel with the iwlwifi driver as a module, it's shouldn't take more than a few hours. also to save time remove all the useless shit in the config, easy part to skim through is the drivers (ethernet, wifi, gpu). also use make -jX where X is the amount of cores you cpu has +1. this will greatly speed things up.
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Why is it called cloveros and what does it mean
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>>64064011
Where is the kernel located? Can't find it in
>/usr/share/linux
and eselect kernel list dont show anything
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>>64064184
kernel source is in /usr/src
use make nconfig to change the configuration. the package name is sys-kernel/gentoo-sources
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>>64064212
thanks, compiling atm.
Will report back when done,
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>>64064212
all done, do i have to update the bootloader? If so how?
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>>64064593
grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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>>64064593
yep, make sure you ran make install and make modules_install
then if you use grub
>grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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>>64064593
>>64064647
>>64064648
genkernel --install --bootloader=grub all
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>>64063637
>>64063132
Jesus christ just use systemd and networkmanager. It isn't 2010 anymore.
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>>64065652
>no --makeopts=-jX
once more shit advice from the resident triptard, seriously kys
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>>64065776
Takes to long to type just set it in /etc/genkernel.conf
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[ebuild NS ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-4.14.10-r1 [4.12.14, 4.14.8-r1] USE="-build -experimental -symlink"

lets do this
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>>64059625
>>64059821
>>64059833
I love this fox gril
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>>64068612
pathetic bump
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managed to unfuck an old neglected install that hasn't been updated for a little over a year
feels good but never again

gen2 is nice if you give it at least monthly attention that way any potential problems with builds don't stack up and create a nasty tangle to deal with when updating
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>>
can someone breakdown how to install gentoo to a new partition chrooting through arch?
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virginux
>>
>>
I'm in need of help from a gentoo guru.
I have two partitions that are encrypted under the same key and passphrase.
I have one LUKS partition that contains the root directory and another that has /home and swap.
Im using buildkernel.conf but it only asks for the encrypted partition thats contains the root directory and not for any other encrypted paritions so im not quite sure how i can get it to decrpyt both.
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>>64071812
The only thing I can think of is creating a post startup script. Its a bit lame but it'll have to do
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>>64071812
>>64072178
You pass luks.uuid=uuidhereblahblah on your kernel command line and setup genkernel to include luks support and systemd in your initramfs.

Then you slap any other non-root encrypted partitions in /etc/crypttab and let systemd-cryptsetup-generator take care of the rest.

I don't even know what buildkernel.conf is.
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>>64070008
just follow the install guide, the boot media you use don't matter. if you mean a dual boot with arch it doesn't change much either, you just re-use the same bootloader/boot partition as the one from arch
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>>64072578
Im using openrc
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>>64024406
>bumblebee

lol fucking never. what board?
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>>64073218
meant to quote >>64024406
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>>64006995
Can Gentoo downloaded in Android.????
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>>64073592
you can download it, but installing it is a different story.
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>>64073218
How do you use the nvidia gpu without it?
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>>64072578
I'm just not on your level dude.
I think I can figure all that out. I just need to know how to use the kernel command line.
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>>64019258
What would e the point of gentoo if everything was pre-built and pre-configured. Why do you want to use gentoo ?
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Can someone help me with a step by step guide to installing/compiling 64 bit gentoo on a raspberry pi? I found the article on the gentoo wiki but it skips over some essential steps, is there anything I should read before following the gentoo wiki?
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>>64076045
you need arm gentoo
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HEY
why is the update telling me to update from 4.14 to 4.9 on the kernel? isn't 4.9 older?
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>>64073086
>been down this path
ragequit and sold the smaller drives and got one large drive
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>>64077439
Maybe you have a :4.9 slotted kernel installed and it wants to update the kernel in that slot?
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>>64011450
A full source rebuild of the entire system could in fact take days on a system from the 90s. My old Sun Ultra 5 takes about three days to rebuild OpenBSD/sparc64 from source.
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>>64026128
GNOME on Wayland has way too much shit in the main thread which leads to Windows 3.1 esque responsiveness stalls. Unfortunately everything else on Wayland is worse right now.
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>>64073843
If you have root on the Android doohickey you can use DriveDroid to present an iso as a bootable device to a connected machine.
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>>64078052
because all the gentoo-sources-4.14 kernels are behind ~amd64 keyword at the moment
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Anyone know how the 64 bit ARM port is coming along? I have to compile so much shit by hand that Gentoo would be an improvement.
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>>64078402
yeah I saw that... well they weren't a few days ago and I can't find any news on why. What's weird is that portage didn't label it a downgrade. There is some problem with the 4.14 kernels? I have never seen a downgrade in like 5 years using gentoo
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>>64079710
>>64079882
this is fucking disgusting
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Thoughts on Slackware?
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>>64079996
Lilo is bad.
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seabios
any criticisms?
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>>64079882
Almost quadraboob, which would make a lot of sense.
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>>64071812
>>64074549
Use an initramfs and build dm-crypt into it, add it to openrc runlevel and make sure your fstab is properly setup. I'm not familiar with buildkernel.conf either; the kernel cmdline and be accessed by modifying the respective kernel option, "CONFIG_CMDLINE", I believe. Most of the time, if you prebuilt your kernel, it probably is overriden by the bootloader. If this is the case then just modify GRUB/rEFInd/LILO or whatever's command line.
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>>64079710
>>64079882
>>64080544
>>64080613
domo arigato wallpaper-san
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>>64080927
secret secret, i got a secret
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how (if possible) do you use otf type fonts with ~./Xresources for programs like urxvt?

I tried various combinations of strings from the output of
fc-list
for the font I want but none of them are accepted as valid. I can't find clear documentation on otf use but I assume it's under the xft convention since that's what fc-list puts out.
>>
>recentish update broke the shit out of everything because stable versions of perl disappeared from the tree
>will have to wait months to be able to install anything again
Non-incompetent maintainers when?
Deterministic functional non-systemd gentoo when?
>>
in the world of software are 4channers considered normies?
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why, ffs is the CloverOS iso downloading at 200 kilobytes per second? why also, ffs is the CloverOS iso 1 gigabyte?
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>>64083962
all the thirsty anons falling for the thiccwaifupapes above are clogging up the tubes
or Ajit Pai fucking with you
>>
since terminator is now masked, I'm trying to switch to a different terminal emulator. Are there any recommendations? I've been using st + tmux, which has been working acceptably. I'm not sure how to copy text out of the terminal though. vi copy mode seems to only yanks into an internal register.
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>>64084012
Lol
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>>64083752
>4channers
Lurk more.
>>64084014
I've been trying Terminology. Was okay, but I'll probably stick with Terminator even if I have to handle it myself.
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>>64084105
>Terminology
I think I tried that one out a few months ago and dumped it because the text rendering wasn't very good.
I should be away from terminator anyway. having to have X11 running to use it is pretty limiting.
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>>64083962
aria2c -x5 -j5 -k10M https://useast.cloveros.ga/s/CloverOS-x86_64-20171229.iso \
https://uswest.cloveros.ga/s/CloverOS-x86_64-20171229.iso \
https://fr.cloveros.ga/s/CloverOS-x86_64-20171229.iso \
https://ca.cloveros.ga/s/CloverOS-x86_64-20171229.iso \
https://au.cloveros.ga/s/CloverOS-x86_64-20171229.iso
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>>64084014
what's wrong with urxvt?
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>>64084014
Ctrl+v is the command to copy oddly enough

Stop being a bitch and use urxvt
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>>64084105
Put anime tiddies on your terminology
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>start fresh install of gentoo
>forget to set ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~amd64"
before emerging desktop profile
>JUST
and now i have to recomplie everything, gentoo handbook sucks
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>>64086183
I recompiled everything due to a gcc update fucking up in a certain way that was too troublesome to fix
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Can Gmail be hacked easily using notepad commands?????
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>>64087034
install protonmail
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>>64084667
I personally can't get the background to go partly transparent without the text too doing this (i3 and Compton, editing .Xdefaults)
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>>64088011
I've had my share of problems with how urxvt treats some new ttfs I loaded
it's not perfect and it's a pain tweaking settings but when you stick to standard configs and a tried font it's a 0 problem term em.
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>>64005795
What's a good activator for this OS?
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>>64088011
Are you loading .Xdefaults with xrdb -load in your .xinitrc? I'm using Xresources but that should work. Did you put
urxvt*depth: 32
urxvt*background: rgba:0000/0000/0200/c800
in your .xdefaults?
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>>64087920
Bruh it's an end to end email encryption app...plz repond to how to hack Gmail.
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>>64088100
Maybe you or someone else can help out, I want a semi transparent background in i3, and according to what I've found, I need Compton installed and running, and I need to set my .Xdefaults to:
URxvt.depth: 32
URxvt.background: [50]#000000
Where 50 is the opacity and #000000 is the color
This however gives me a transparent foreground too (text), and the opacity doesn't change if I change the what's in [ ].
Maybe it's just syntax that I'm messing up with or something I need to add to my .i3/config other than exec Compton --config ~.config/compton.conf?
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>>64088809
nothing to do with compton config, it’s an urxvt setting that’s wrong. don’t ask me because I don’t use that shit.either go with st for muh autism or gnome-terminal for muh comfy. both have transparency patches available.
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>>64088291
Doing this has made the text invisible, could you maybe elaborate what the complete line is in .xinitrc
(I haven't edited .xinitrc before btw)
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>>64088809
Bro wat actually there about Gentoo and stuff ....can u plz explain
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>>64089480
>What does it have to do with gentoo?
If that's your question, it has to do with getting a terminal to act as advertised on gentoo.
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>>64089507
Can u guide me some software for becoming a beginner hacker.....
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is there a terminal command for finding out if an app is currently running?
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>>64084667
I couldn't do a lot of things with it that I wanted.
I'm not sure how to copy things out of the terminal.
the colors are strange in VIM if the TERM variable is rxvt-unicode, but home and end do strange things in VIM if the TERM variable is anything else.
I'm not sure how to scroll back by single lines. this isn't a huge problem because I'm using tmux anyway.
the font renders a bit wider than it does on other terminals.
seems like a lot of work to get it as functional as st.

>>64084970
why do people love urxvt so much?
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>>64090622
urxvt has a daemon mode where you can open 10 terminals and it'll only use the resources of 1 terminal
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>>64090686
how many instances of st would you need to open before resource use is significant.
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>>64090782
You can open hundreds of either terminal, the only difference is that urxvt will take 10MB and st will take 1GB
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new thread >>64091669
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>>64090793
How to hack Gmail.




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