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>>64113518
>mfw Brian JUSTnich sells off the remainder of his shares and resigns
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>>64113518
>sell high
>buy low
The only people getting fucked are bulls.
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>dec 19
>nov 29
>neither in 2018
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>>64113743
this bug has been known for a while. for how long? we don't know, yet.
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>>64113743
What is "insider trading" for $64,000, Alex.

Intel knew about and has been involved in this bug for a long time. Last November is when the top people realized that the news was about to leak into normiespace.
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>>64113824
>>64113957
What bug?
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>>64114022
Are you blind?
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>>64114022
Are you just waking up anon?
The one that's being spammed all around /g/.
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>>64114049
>>64114061
Been at work since I woke up, first time going on /g/ today
>According to one of the people working on it, PTI is only needed for Intel CPUs, AMD is not affected
Wew, almost thought I needed to be concerned.
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This would not happen if the kernels were just made Rust.
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>>64114092
This is a problem of CPU microarchitecture, not kernels. The kernels are working around the issue because the CPUs can't just get an OTA update and refabricate themselves.
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>>64113518
>click thread
>have to reload a dozen times for the css to show up
What the fuck
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>>64113518
Otellini rolling in his grave rn
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Let's summarize guys
>(((diversity)))
>shitty yields
>constantly delayed 10 nm process
>suicidal avotons
>foreskin-based thermal paste instead of solder in the ihs
>even in their fucking xeons
>unscallable ringbus
>with netburst 2.0 like temps
>massive thermal infernos in their i9 processors
>1 fucking kilowatt overclocked
>the PowerPC 970 and the fucking 9590 look like a candle lit in the middle of the fucking Minnesota's winter in comparison with the i9
>now this horrible bug that will hamper at least 30% of the performance when its fixed
AMD did nothing and already its winning this year.
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>>64114142
Why's the 970 get so much shit? Isn't it only like 130W or something else reasonable like that?
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>>64114172
It gets shit because of the Apple/Intel Transition meme.
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>>64114172
It was the real nuclear inferno of its times, even Netburst based Pentium 4's didn't sucked that kind of power or required that extreme cooling.
And also Apple. Its always cool to hate apple.
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>>64114219
>And also Apple. Its always cool to hate apple.

What? Apple IS the reason the G5 got so much shit. Jobs bitched to his audiences that it couldn't reasonably hit 3 Ghz and that it couldn't fit inside of a Powerbook.
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>>64114259
I'm not saying the contrary lad. The G5 in fact has bad rep cause Apple.
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>>64114283
Oh. My fault.
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>>64114090
> fix has a performance penalty of up to 40%
Be afraid.
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>>64114455
Yes, but AMD CPUs don't actually need the fix.
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>>64114455
I don't even care to be honest. Worst case scenario, speeds are pushed back to a time when, if you aren't some young brat, things weren't even that bad. I count modern speeds as a blessing because I remember what speeds used to be like. If you are scared of that, you're a spoiled brat. It's that simple.

If this means AMD isn't effected, good on them. Some market shock would probably do this spoiled shitless industry some good.
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>>64114455
What happens if i don't apply the fix?
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>>64114869
Rogue programs can read your kernel space and find things like encryption keys and pointers etc..
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>>64114869
the hacker 4chan will get you
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>>64114869
Then be prepared to run a cryptominer for someone else's benefit.
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>>64113518
>Company was always shady
>Didn't want to share plans for new CPUs with their partner
>Decided to pretty much bribe people all around the world to no use competition products
Why do people ever though that their products are not full of shortcuts is beyond me
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>>64114821
> things weren't even that bad
Software was also optimized better and far less bloated. Losing that much performance in current year is a bfd.
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>>64114869
It will be very painful.
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>>64114968
That means software companies will be encouraged to create less bloated software.

How is this not a win win? This could be a huge blessing in disguise.
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Yep. Expect lawsuits.
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>>64114991
i have a big rig
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But why exactly can't a CPU microcode patch fix it? Where else could the issue be?
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So what does this mean?
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Is my 3770K affected?
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BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW
BUY HIGH SELL LOW
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>>64115062
You can't put a bandaid to fix a defective heart
>>64115073
Intel is giving their enterprise customers more reasons to jump to the ARM ship
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>>64113518
this is very ((( oy veyable ))) information
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>>64113518
pure coincidence, anon.
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So does this mean AMD is now the king?
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>>64115030
>pajeet will learn how to code overnight
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>>64115062
Hardware. Specifically: checking that addresses read from/written to by speculatively executed instructions are actually read/writable in the current page table. This is checked in hardware, microcode runs maybe 2 micro-ops before #GP.
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>>64113518
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
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This doesn't mean anything
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>>64115123
>captian dressed up as a woman and is hiding on one of the safeboards
>t. literal shill: this doesn't mean anything goy, he just likes cosplay and hiding
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>>64115123
Of all the things that were reported, this is the one that actually means something. This tells you that Intel CEO doesn't believe they can resolve this issue without huge repercussions
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>>64115163

Or you know, he gets partially payed in stock options and then just sells them when he gets paid, but no that is way to simple.
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>>64115163
Still insider trading
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>>64114126
might be something to do with the malicious ads Hiro added a while ago. Have you updated your adblocker filters in the last few weeks?
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>>64115195
how is it insider trading if he acts up on information disclosed to public (that intel chips had backdoor, which's removal to secure your OS will cost up to 40% cpu speed)
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>>64115187
That is dumbest thing I have ever heard
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>>64115163
its pretty common for board members to sell their stocks throughout the years.

A lot of their compensation is in stocks or stock options.
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>>64115144
You don't know much about trading, do you?
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>>64113518
>Using Twitter as a source
>Posting from your normie phone.
Anyone got a real source for all this?

>Inb4 AMD fanboy posts.
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>>64115275
>He sells his share
>Stupid goyim sell it, too
>His friendos buy it dirt cheap
>Intel is still the monopoly on the market so the prices would go back pretty soon
>PROFIT
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>>64115357
lol, I literally studied economics and financial markets (back in the day when universities didnt suck due to marxist infiltration)..

but thx for pointing out my ignorance shill
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>>64115364
http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/intc/insider-trades?sortname=lastdate&sorttype=1


its not like its a big secret, this kind of shit has to be filled with the SEC.

Every high level executive does this stuff in pretty much every company.

Sometimes their sells coincide with bad news and people scream insider trading.
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>>64115061
For you.
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>>64115427
At an American college? Congrats, you done goofed.
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FAKE news fuck off Drumpfkins

Intel is yass slaay
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>>64115450
na, not from US.. but weirdly our colleges got infiltrated by marxists too.

seems like its an ((( global trend )))
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>>64115112
No. More like non pajeet companies roll in and take advantage of this fantastic opportunity.
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>>64113824
1993
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Wait a second... Does this mean that we should invest some shekels in AMD????
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>>64115656
it means you better start investing before Intel stock plummets and AMD skyrockets
or you could always go the conservative option with something like Rockwell
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>>64114821
>getting rammed from behind full force
>i don't care
NO WILL
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>>64113518
He is fucked. Insider trading is completely haram.
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someone run me down
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>>64115729
>getting rammed from behind

What are you even talking about? There is no loss here. That's my point. The amount of money I've given to Intel in my life time is negligible, and I'm happy at the prospect that a lot of opportunity for hardware/software companies that I support is appearing.
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>>64115762
News came out of a massive security bug in intel processors affecting computers potentially as far back as early 2000s.

Expect all systems running intel chips to take a performance hit. Hold off on buying Intel until we know how much of a performance hit it will cause.
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>CEO sells large amounts of stock during end of quarter reviews
This is incredibly normal behavior
You fucking /biz/lets
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>>64113518
>17 years of terrible Intel engineering decisions finally coming to bite them in the ass
That's a lot of poor products.
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THERE
IS
NOTHING
WRONG
STOP
POSTING
THESE
THREADS!!!!!!
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>>64116112
they deserve worse
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>>64113518
RIP in peace Intel fags.
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you guys realize that you'll never actually have any money unless you sell your stock, right?
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>>64116489
>what are dividends
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>>64113518
He already did this several times this year, and has done this in previous years. This is what a smart person does when they have a shit ton of stock from the company they work at and or run. In this case you don't want all of your eggs in a single basket, so you periodically sell some of your stock and diversify with other stocks form other companies, generally in various fields (so if the tech sector takes a massive hit, you can have investments in oil, or defense that are still doing well)


DIVERSIFY YOUR INVESTMENTS
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>>64113743
just equifax all over again
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See >>64116577
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>>64116596
normies didn't do shit over that either
>mfw society is all set to collapse and I've got all my assets nice and insulated from the coming SHFT
these people could be literally be getting stabbed in the streets en mass and none of the normalfags would do a damn thing
the sheeple meme really isn't a meme
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>>64113518
>intel
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>>64116633
BASELESS
RUMORS
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>>64115187
If you read the article, you would see it specifically addresses this concern.

TLDR: The SEC filing also includes options exercising, but the trades in the headline are made from his PERSONAL stash, i.e. stuff that should NEVER be sold as part of an options exercise. Guy's probably sweating balls right now, he knows intel's going belly up
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Intelbros how do we stop these AMD lies?
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Intel damage control team on full alert.
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>>64114126
welcome to 4chan
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>>64115075
Wondering the same thing.
Just got a laptop with a i7-3820qm and am enjoying the massive performance boost over my old core2duo, but now I'm wondering for how long.
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memetel has this supposed vuln
it's such a well guarded sekrit that this site is shitposting about it
yet there is no reflection on any of this in the stock price

That really makes me thienk
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>>64115275
It's insider trading if he knows about something like that & acts on it stockwise BEFORE public disclosure happens; which this damn sure looks like.
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>>64117558
stock market is closed right now
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>>64117558
>stock price
>reflecting reality
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>current state of intel shills
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>>64117569
ofcourse, this large scale vuln was only uncovered two seconds ago, right? No one has had time to react and sell. Nobody in the open source camp has been working on a patch or anything for months then obviously
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>>64113518
>Intel gets taken over by Raja
IT WAS THE PLAN ALL ALONG, THAT SNEAKY PUNJAB.
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>>64117578
right, because this meme level vuln affecting an entire platform would have no effect on stock price. Hey, maybe it will go up. Since, you know, it doesn't reflect reality
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>>64113518
INTEL BTFO'D
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>>64114869
Hackers will turn your computer into a bomb and blow up your yellow van.
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I for one am looking forward to my $20 cashback from Intel for the performance loss and a guaranteed 1.5% cashback from my next mainboard and CPU purchase
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>>64117653
It wont go up because the CEO sold his shares, but im glad you understand this doesnt reflect reality
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>>64114869
Malicious adverts can now hijack you computer and access everything, including the encryption keys to your hard drive, so not even full system encryption will save you.
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I haven't built a computer in a decade

I've been slowly working myself up to building one now

...so AMD or Intel? I don't even
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>>64117784
intel so you can have gimped performance and/or security vulnerabilities what do you think you fucking idiot
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>>64117784
>every Intel CPU is fucked
>should I buy an Intel CPU or an AMD one?
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>>64117784
AMD, what the fuck do you think?

I'd recommend the Ryzen 1600X if you want to make one now, but I'm waiting for Ryzen 2 to drop later this year.
Ryzen 2 is supposed to have 30-50% IPC improvements over Ryzen
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>>64117730
right but everyone is just ignoring a platform wide vuln of this scale and not selling right?
because that's how things usually work right?
protip: take a break from your delusion and look at historical examples of the degree of sensitivity in the market.
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>>64117794
>>64117812
>>64117818
it would be for gayman; i dunno if that changes your response
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Is it a good idea to bust out and start using my P3 700MHz again?
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>>64117818
>Ryzen 2 is supposed to have 30-50% IPC improvements over Ryzen

is this like 'vega is supposed to be twice as good as polaris'?
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>>64115079
>Intel is giving their enterprise customers more reasons to jump to the ARM ship

Nah, they're going EBYN like chinks and pajeets.
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>>64117818
Ryzen 2 isn't until 2019
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>>64117837
Ryzen is only about 10% behind Intel in single threaded performance (aka, it's equivalent to a high end Haswell).
Ryzen 2 is expected to overtake Intel by about 20% in single threaded performance, and with this it becomes a 50% improvement.
Go with Ryzen.

Ignoring that, you REALLY don't want this kind of vulnerability on your system. A 30% loss in performance is preferable to this gaping hole of a flaw.
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Hory Shit
The CEO sold to the min stock holding level allowed
He's cashing out
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>>64117837
Ryzen's fine for gaming now.
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>>64117870
Really? Did they bump it back? I thought it was slated for Q3 2018

>>64117849
No.
The 50% improvement is overly optimistic, but they're definitely going to make a huge improvement.
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No fucking way I'll accept a 5 -> 30% fucking performance drop.
What's a AMD cpu that performs better than my Intel i5-3570k?
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It's the new 1.7%

fucking KEKED intelfags. Should have bought AMD™.
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>>64117893
Since when was it Q3 2018 ever?
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>>64117915
On the marketing graphic the released...?

>>64117897
Ryzen 1600X
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>>64117870
iirc that's Zen 2. Ryzen 2 = Zen+ which is 12 nm. And Zen 2/Ryzen 3 is 7nm, comes out in 2019/2020.
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>>64117874
This is just outright lying. The 8700k has a solid 15% advantage over the 1800x just from clock speeds, and another 5% or so from perf/hz. Ryzen's about 10% behind in many contemporary games because developers got better at multi-threading but that's the gestalt not single threaded performance.

Ryzen refresh/2nd gen will probably hit 4.5GHz with little to no perf/hz improvement.

Ryzen 3rd gen with Zen 2 uarch might hit 5Ghz and match or surpass Kaby/Skylake in perf/hz in which case AMD will probably win single threaded performance.
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>>64113518
>intel cpu is fucked
>amd gpus shitting the bed
>gpu price hikes due to cryptomining
>all of this while I'm getting ready to do a big upgrade to my pc to the latest tech for the first time in 10 years
THIS IS NOT FAIR
WHY CAN'T NICE THINGS BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN TO ME
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>>64117956
You can't compare clock speeds across different architectures, that's not how it works.

And while the 8700k, aka the fastest consumer processor Intel sells is 15% ahead, the average gen 8 Intel CPU is about only about 10% faster than the average Ryzen CPU.

>>64117981
You forgot RAM prices going through the roof due to shortages.
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>>64117897
It will mostly affect i/o speed (like ssd random read speed and such). Also i/o speed was always slower on AMD most likely because it had security checks in place all the time unlike intel.
I moved from 3570k to ryzen 1600 half a year ago and performance is roughly the same (but more multithreaded performance and less heat -> more quiet obviously). But actually I compare it to an i5 overclocked to 4.5 GHz with 2400 ram which is most likely not the case for you. There is no reason to go beyond 6 cores, every cpu above r5 1600 will perform same. Also wait for refresh.
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>>64118015
Artificial shortages caused by collusion in the market, too.

That and the GPU prices shitting the bed are fucking horrible. I've heard of guys who bought RAM last year and the same set is 25% more _now_.

About as bad as the Thai flood that broke the HDD market -- same bullshit then; only WD was affected, Seagate hiked their prices because fuck you.

That time at least there was an end in sight. Now, not so much.
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>>64117981
>tfw only 5 years into hw cycle
>don't play any demanding games, no new titles that are appealing
>two older shitvidia GPUs
>demanding computing done serverside
Feels good. Going to sit out the memory business cartel, GPU shitcoin pricejumps, and this possible processor problems.
>>64118015
>roof due to shortages.
lel, what is business cartel?
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>>64115030
> companies invest in making a better product
Have you been living under a rock the past ~15 years? They'll just set their system requirements higher.
(cue the doom song)
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How do I even avoid not getting infected whilst using my intel cpu?
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>>64118052
I bought 8gb last year thinking that I'd upgrade to 16gb this year on the cheap.

I could have bought 16gb last year for the price that I can get 8gb this year.
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>>64118096

You don't.
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>>64118096
Turn your PC off forever.
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>>64117827
>he think that majority of shareholders know what intel does other than "making computer chips"
>thinking that a typical shareholder will ever hear about this vuln in their life
Historically in these situations people sold because the ones who "definitely did not get insider info, promise" sold earlier and the rest went along
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>>64118015
DON'T FUCKING REMIND ME
IT TOOK ME FIVE FUCKING YEARS
FIVE FOOKIN YEARS TO GET THE MONEY TO UPGRADE MY MACHINE
FIVE FUCKING YEARS
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At the end of the day rich avoid getting screwed over
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>>64117956
If you compare IPC, (IE performance per Hz as you said) Ryzen wins.
But the gap isn't huge, and if one processor is at 4.8GHz and the other at 3.9, there's gonna be a difference in performance. Imagine that, a 1/5 difference in clock speed and a 1/8 difference in performance.
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>>64118138
Ryzen's IPC is behind Haswell.
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>>64117849
Ryzen was supposed to give a 40% improvement over piledriver.

It ended up being 52%.

Take the track record of AMD's CPU division, not the completely ruined GPU one.

>>64118149
Except it isn't.
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>>64118158
Except it is: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/ryzen-strictly-technical.2500572/
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>>64118158
>Ryzen was supposed to give a 40% improvement over piledriver.

here's the difference: AMD actually announced that target. it wasn't pure headcanon.
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So I was about to jump the ship and buy an i7-8700k until I stumbled upon this thread and I don't even visit /g/. It must be a sign. What is my other option if I want comparable performance and price? Threadripper 1900X is the closest but it's + its mobos are so much more god damned expensive. Are there any cheaper options for equivalent performance?
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>>64118240
>comparable performance
You didn't specify your workload. In some workloads 8700k will even lose to 1600 but in muh gamez even epyc will suck 8700k's dick.
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What scandal is coming?
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>>64118240
Wait for the refresh, AMD is fixing to close the gap.
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>>64118275

Yes video games. I'm hoping for at least 200 FPS for everything I play.
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>>64115077
*shrug*
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>>64118192
Fair enough, I wasn't sure if there was a source to that claim about Ryzen 2 or not.
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>>64117677
HACKERS on STEROIDS
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>>64118185
>Mar 2, 2017.
are you retarded? ryzen drivers and overall support from OSes improved their performance quite a lot
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Markets don't seem concerned.
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>>64118358
Markets are determined not by a bunch of kissless masturbating men's whims, but the actual concerns of corporations and how much they could earn.
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>>64118292
Buying threadripper for games is the most retarded option one could chose.
Currently you either buy a used i7 (sandy bridge or newer) or choose from 1200/1600/8400/8700k. 1600 and 8400 offer pretty much same performance but AM4 platform is cheaper and not dead on arrival. Also ryzen cpus are cool and quiet even with stock coolers. But 8700k is obviously faster and has better overclocking potential.
I can't choose for you, especially because I won't recommend buying into first series ryzen when refresh is coming in 2 months. But if you want best gaming performance now it would be 8700k (or even 6700k or 7700k in muh cybersport meme titles).
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>>64118330
>ryzen drivers
The permanent state of /g/
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>>64118358
This is my industry

1) he sold them around the end of November, which is before a dip (or caused a slight dip?)

2) Market is driven more by emotion than actual facts
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official intel anthem 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIscL-Bjsq4
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>>64118381
you what? do you really believe CPUs don't have drivers?
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>>64118394
Poor VIA, it's not accounted for
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>>64118381
I downloaded a chipset driver for my ryzen from the amd website.
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>>64118425
This is pretty much obvious
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spoke to my lawyer earlier. he's already involved with a group of lawyers setting up a class action. no details yet but he said it's gonna be massive
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>>64118445
Thought that too. I'm sure they don't have this gaping hole issue either.
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>>64118459
the fact that they don't NEED specialized drivers (should be enough with generic x86/x64 drivers) doesn't mean you cannot use specialized drivers to improve the performance of specific CPUs
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>>64118406
a 5% "dip" over a month from ATH after running up 30% over the fall, plus you can look at his purchase/sell history, he clearly just executed his options and resold them same day for a big profit, he bought 650k shares "Option Execute at $12.99 - $26.80 per share." then sold 850k shares the same day for "Automatic Sale at $44.05 - $44.56 per share"
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>>64118470
No matter how much bullshit you make up there is no such thing as CPU driver. Maybe you refer to microcode but that's a different thing entirely.
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>>64118394
what does these do?:
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>>64118627
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>>64113518
I take it my I5 is also affected by this bug?
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>>64118667
This has already been said multiple times, all Intel CPUs manufactured in the last decade or so are affected.
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>>64118684
Sorry, i just woke up an hour ago and read the first news maybe half an hour ago.
Im still somewhat out of the loop.
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>>64118445

Their performance is so shit that it doesn't matter one way or the other
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So the smart thing to do would be to wait for the full announcement to drop and make Intel's stock prices plummet, buy a bunch, and then wait for it to inevitably bounce back because no one actually cares
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>>64118684
>all Intel CPUs manufactured in the last decade or so are affected
It's believed it might go back even further to possibly even P3 era.
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>>64118660
thank you
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>>64118358
Information's not widely out there yet, somehow. Nothing mainstream is reporting on this.
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>>64118793
There's an embargo until the 4th
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>>64117847
Why not? I might do the same. Win2k was comfy desu.
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>>64118096
Airgap.
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>>64114934
kek
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>>64117743
INTlets rekt
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>>64117897
for gaming, get a 1600 or 1600x, if you want rendering a 1700 or higher
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What about gpu chips? Like, do I have to switch to AMD cards too? Are they going to hack my graphics if I don't?
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tfw just bought a used 4670
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>>64119048
>implying any GPU is secure.
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>>64119048
Anon, I...
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>>64114122
It isn't fixable with a microcode update?
If not, why not?
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>>64119117
there is a fix but it affects performance by 40%-ish, look it up
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>>64119146
That's not a microcode update, that's linux trying to sidestep Intel's gaping hole
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On the bright side, Intel can advertise their new processors as "30% faster than the previous generation" without lying.
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>>64119146
That's kernel, I mean microcode.
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>>64115075
>>64117552
Branch prediction has been here since the first Pentium. Potentially all are affected.
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I honestly think this is a giant false flag made by AMD.
However, I'll eat my words if legit testing shows this alleged 30%. Slow down.
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>>64119350
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>>64119350
here
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>>64119350
>a giant false flag made by AMD
Oh child, poor sweet child...that sounds like something Intel would do. AMD pretty much keeps to themselves because their marketing department doesn't have the resources to do anything worthwhile, including false flagging.
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>>64119313
*Pentium II
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>>64119350
I honestly think ur a faget
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>>64119350
>I honestly think this is a giant false flag made by AMD.
Why do morons keep saying dumb shit like this? Where do you think the actual numbers come from that people are talking about? actual benchmarks of the KPTI patch in the mainline kernel.
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>>64119383
I said legit, not some soyboy source.

>>64119
Funny, I remember /g/ being spammed with ryzen threads before it's launch.
I member the Rx480s being shilled as being faster than 980s.
Or when /g/ claimed Vega was gonna be some super GPU.
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>>64119487
>I can slander a company without evidence but can pick and choose the evidence which i don't agree with
Ok kid.
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Finally, having a 10 year old AMD process pays off.
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>>64114022
troll? serious question
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>>64119515
Nice proof faggot
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>>64114737
Freetards don't care. They are litterally pushing for the fix to be active EVEN on AMD CPUs.
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>>64119540
>Phoronix bench results vs 4chan shitposter
gee which has more backing.
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Coles Notes:
Which Intel processors are impacted?
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>>64119564
From the linux kernel source
/* Assume for now that ALL x86 CPUs are insecure */

The people implementing the patch are assuming the worst of "All x86 CPUs"

>>64119555
There are switches to disable it easily (nopti) hopefully future patches will be better.
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>>64119350
False flag by AMD but involves Linux kernel dev team, intel and microsoft (with Amazon, google, and other large datacenters looped in).

Yeah, its clearly an AMD flaseflag... 2018 and still a tinfoiled flat earther intel fanboi.
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>>64119540
>guy posts proof
>"THAT DOESN'T COUNT"
Whew nigga
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>>64119636
>Using Phoronix as a source
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>>64119674
Why don't you post an argument instead of wasting everyone's time?
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>>64117870
ryzen 2 is coming this march
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-2-set-march-2018-launch-12nm-support-higher-core-memory-clock-speeds/
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>>64114963
>Why do people ever though that their products are not full of shady shit is beyond me
real qeustion is, has intel even paid up their billion dollar law fees for anti competitive bullshit from like ten years ago?
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This man should be executed for treason.
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>>64119714
>he thinks the US gubment isnt one giant (((Kike))) party
The gubment was certainly in on this, in fact I'm sure CIA has been using this security hole for years.
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>>64113518
tfw just bought an i7-8700k a week ago
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Give me a name for a great AMD laptop.
CAD usage
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>>64114737
allegedly. we'll see if that is indeed the case.
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>>64116623
what do you think the mass amount of entertainment is for?
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>>64119730
Which CIA? "Chinese Intelligence in America"?
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>>64113518
Looks like Nvidia is going to be affected as well >>64119763
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>>64119807
tfw no vega available in your country and ordering it from us costs as much as two of them
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>>64119700
That's ryzen + you twat.
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>>64119587
this has been patched out
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>form 4 filing

WTF IS HE BROKE!???

SHInTel IS FUCKING BANKRUPT
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I have 7900X & 7890XE & two 980 NVMEs.

How fucked am I
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>>64119892

pretty fucked i'd say laddo
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So are any of the newer CPUs exempt from this or is that going to be a refresh or two down the line
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> virtualization

what cucks
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>>64116544
>dividends from options
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>>64119846
Really? I was trying to find the patch which revises this. got a link?
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>>64119892
>buying x299
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>>64119836
That's Ryzen 2000 series.
Ryzen =/= Zen.
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All you fags are taking this too lightly. Just wait till the apple fags with their Intel™ CPU's inside get affected. The outrage from the normies will be be nuts
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>>64113518
Why are things like this not considered insider trading?
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>>64115855
This guy is still defending intel after the endless amount of shitty over priced products, supporting them after being guilty of unfair business practices, and still supports them after getting hit with a 30% performance decrease because they're incapable of making a good product.

>im glad I'm supporting them

Literal damage control
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>tfw i7 860 CPU

What should i do bros?
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>>64120484
Get a job
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>>64120543
I have a jpb

I just rarely update my hardware
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I have an i5 750
Am i fucked too?
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>>64118130
Five years to raise one month worth of money ?
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>>64120591
Five years to fix an entire family 15 years of fucked up finances.
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>>64119732
Shills leave info out. Newer gens (since 2014) will have a lot smaller impact.
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>>64119742
None.
ASUS made a ROG with Ryzen.
> it's HOT as fuck
> it's LOUD as fuck
> it has a ONE HOUR battery life

Just fucking no. Look it up, wish I was trolling. Theoretically it would have the best laptop performance because of the additional cores. But cooling 65W in a laptop form factor is not easy. AMD also lacks proper power management, hence the one hour battery life.

tl;dr: there is none.
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>>64118015
>going through the roof due to ((((shortages))))
ftfy
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>>64119117
It's very difficult to do.
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>>64118240
Buy a 1600 now, then sell it and buy a Ryzen 2 when that hits. Same mobo means saved costs.
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>>64120125
>>64118394
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>>64120621
Those freaks put a DESKTOP gpu into a LAPTOP. They are genuinely retarded.
As of now only real ryzen laptops are hp envy x360, acer swift 3 and lenovo 720s.
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>>64119732
A daily reminder 4 (U):
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>>>/wsg/2045462
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>>64120621
>>64120865
>asus is shit at cooling AMD hardware
Who knew?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRULhaUKtuc
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>>64120865
>put a DESKTOP *CPU* into a LAPTOP
obviously
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>>64114455
Man, I'm sure to skip the update if the fix hits performance by 50%.
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>>64114821
the problem is that pajeets writing the software you use daily don't see cpu speeds like that. instead it's a resource that should be 200% utilized.
nobody hand-unrolls their loops these days.
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>>64115106
no, but all the amd engineers responsible for core cpu architecture are getting high class escorts delivered to their houses
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>>64115030
You're a fucking retard, holy shit. The entirety of modern computing is throwing hardware at a software problem because software developers in general are retards and that won't change.
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>>64115030
It’s a 5% perf drop on recent cpus, were not going back to Bronze Age
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>>64113518
for years /g/ was telling that amd is going bankrupt
2018 not even 2 years of the release of ryzen intel is going down faster than my poo in the loo
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>>64121276
That's enough to lose all lead to Ryzen chips in gaming and that's 5% off big data companies productivity which is FUCKING BONKERS considering Xeons are inferior and more expensive than Epyc anyway
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That really sucks, I wanted to get an 8600K/8700K since AMD raisin only is somewhat less shit for gaymen than the Phenom II line

Really, how did Intel fuck up this badly?
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>>64121548
>lose all lead to ryzen in gaming
Kek, at 4K, sure
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>>64121548
Gaming isn't impacted.
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>>64121693
Workaround will impact EVERYTHING
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>>64118376
>it would be 8700k
what about 8600k?
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>>64114821
>if you are scared of losing 40% processing power to cover a massive security risk, youre a spoiled brat
The absolute state of bootlicking shills.
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So, should I wait for prices to bottom out, then buy some Intel stock as they inevitably climb back up? Should I buy AMD stock right now?
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>>64115450
>virtually every top 50 school is in the US
>American college is bad l mao xD
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>>64121804
Both
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>I will lose 40% perf
I want to vomit.
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I don't know much about American company policy, but they're going to recall all these CPUs and send bug-free replacements for free, right?
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>>64114172
>only like 130W

130W Intel is "only" while 130W AMD is "housefire".
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>>64121830
For starters they would need to create a bug free architecture from a scratcha that doesnt even exist.
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>>64113518
I missed everything, what the fuck is going on?
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>>64121851
just slap it together in visual basic, what's the big deal
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>>64113518
What architecture are affected by this? a few of the recent ones or a everything short of pentium 3?

Genuine question since I have a few servers at work for DB and SAN purposes that have either e3 or e5 zeons that are work critical.
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>>64113518
>280 posts
>No one posted the Brian Chrzanic meme
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>>64121859
Huge CPU bug/design flaw that apparently exists on Intel CPUs that cannot be fixed through microcode or BIOS patches. Since its a CPU bug all OSes are affected and the highest level kernel devs are being super secretive about it but they're scrambling to make a workaround because the bug is supposedly going to be disclosed to the world tomorrow and it may have some really nasty effects if its released to the world without any mitigations.
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>>64121931
Also the mitigation will negatively affect performance on all affected chips, up to 60% in the worst cases.
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>>64121954

Can you "opt out" of the fix?
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>>64121859

>Intel CPUs BUG since pentium era
>This is a problem of CPU microarchitecture
>Rogue programs can read your kernel space and find things like encryption keys and pointers etc
>Fix has a performance penalty of up to 40%
>According to one of the people working on it, PTI is only needed for Intel CPUs, AMD is not affected
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>>64121969
>opting out of a security patch for a bug that allows unmitigated kernal level access to attackers
Sure, do whatever you feel safe doing, I suppose.
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So is it a read or write issue?
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Wow, I honestly wasn't thinking about changing over to AMD, but I'd rather not have to rely on security patches to hardware shortfalls.
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>>64121969
>Your car's brakes stop working
>Mechanic says he'll fix it for free, but your top speed will be 45 now
>You decide it's better to go without brakes

good luck
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>>64121969
On Linux you can but if your system is affected you probably shouldn't. AMD users can use the -nopti boot option.
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>>64121996

I'm poor, there's nothing worth stealing on my computer.
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It wont be long before this is found in amd chips too. Thats what happens when you abandon simplicity. Same as in software. KISS. otherwise errors get made.
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>>64122039
Do whatever you feel you are safe doing, friend. I wouldn't opt out, if I were you, though.
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Is there possibility of a class action suit against Intel?

I bought a CPU over Thanksgiving and I'm not OK with accepting any performance drop they patch in.
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>>64113518
I remember this article.
When it came out 2 weeks ago.
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>>64122089
No.
This is a bug due to lack of validation testing. This would fall under the "Shit happens senpai" category and go nowhere, mostly thanks to the armies of Lawyers Intel has.

Look at all the zero-day exploits that get found in windows and there's never legal action.
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>>64122089
>any performance drop they patch in
They can win the case by justifying that their doing it to protect you, the goyim consumer
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Hello.
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>>64122072
>It wont be long before this is found in amd chips too.
You can't find this in amd chips because it is not allowed in amd chips you dumb nigger
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>>64113518
Is there a possibility that this exploit has already been employed against your machine? How can you tell? Is this a Trusting Trust hell where formatting is the only option?
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>>64122025
i'm sorry, i'm from /v/, can you use a food analogy instead?
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>>64122141
There's no way to tell if it has. We assume it hasn't been used yet because there hasn't been any noise about it beforehand.
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>>64122141
Depends on how paranoid you are. Your machine could already have a rootkit, and you wouldn't know.
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>>64122193
>You drink gatorade or some sugar packed soda drink
>Doctor says you got diabetes and your kidneys is worse than the whole EA starwars fiasco
>So now you have to drink sugar free drinks which are a 100% less tasty
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>>64122227
That's not the best you can do.
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>>64122227

Don't think you have anything of value or worth stealing on your computer so why care.
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>>64122193

>Ordering online from Dominoes has a glitch that gives the delivery guy complete access to you apartment
>Removing the glitch will make delivery take 30% longer
>Papa Johns is unnaffected
>You can refuse the patch to remove the glitch, but you will probably get robbed.
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this is the first time since i ever bought a pc i'm glad i went AMD

my condolences to intel people, i know what it means to get fucked by your cpu
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>>64122292
>get robbed

Better keep that BF4 key somewhere safe.
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>>64122256
I tried, I want to see what other anons can come up with
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>>64122292
>not placing bear traps all over your room when you're absent
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Intel is like that one idiot in a horror movie.... they get their asses caught by the killer and lead them to their friends
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>>64114821
You're a cuck and if you really think like that, I expect you to live up to your words and personally refund me for going back to the dark ages.
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>>64114821
Thanks for your glamorous and enlightening words, Luddite.
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>>64120032
This aren't options




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