I HURT MYSELF TODAY
>>64127850what happened?also, >>>/biz/
>>64128192Major hardware bug discovered, which has been in the design of all of intels 64bit CPU's. Its mostly a risk for virtual machining, as it allows non-users access to memory not allocated to them. But real black hat hackers only make money by being smart and incredible creative, so it might be useable for very, very bad exploits for private PC's as well.It can not be fixed, it is build into it. So you have to tell windows/linux/MacOS not to use these functions in order to fix it temporarely.On the systems that needs this operation, early studies shows 35-40% performance loss.gaming and everyday work should not be influenced by performance.But how about EPYC now? It was already tempting, the first server manufacturers have already joined, and now you can not literally buy a Intel CPU and be safe if you are doing servers, and you cannot accept even 10% performance loss due to the incredible amount of money required. Only option until 9th gen Intel is AMD.
>>64128192/biz/ is nothing than Bitcoins and the other shitty memeblocks
on the flipside, my $AMD is doing quite well today
>>64128809Same. Took this opportunity to buy some Intel shares on the low. Lets hope Intel rebounds soon.
>>64127850nice just bought 100k
>>64127850Buy the stocks, it will only go up once the market fixes itself. It will fix itself once the market finds out the "critical bug that reduces performance by 50%" is a big fat lie.
INTEL IS FINISHED
>>64129056lmao thisI love how disingenuous the OP image is. This drop is meaningless.
>>64128406i went on /g/, i saw three consecutive threads regarding Intel near their bump limit, i read them all. none contained anything remotely as concise as your post. thanks for not spamming memes with the rest.
>>64128406>early studies shows 35-40% performance loss.UP TO 30% loss.As low as <0.1% loss.
>>64129118Wait for the class-action lawsuits.
>>64129219depends on the CPU operation.Userland? <=0%I/O operations in Kernel? >=30%
>>64129219It's going to have a huge impact on data center/backend shit. Gaming and personal computers? Not so much.Cloud providers are freaking out right now.
>>64129118>the publicly exposed NSA backdoor is meaningless
>>64129281>I/O operations in Kernel? >=30%Depends on the size of those I/O operations. It's the switching between kernel and userland that is slow, so if you read/write 1 GB at a time the losses will be minimal, but if you need a million 1 KB blocks from 100 threads it's going to be a disaster.
>>64129056Shit will really hit the fan, when the exploit goes public.
>>64127850It's going down to 30. It's going to cost Intel into the tens of billions to fix this shit.
So is this the moment to buy Intel stocks?
>>64128543>hes a no coiner I'm amazed more of you haven't killed yourselves yet
>>64129252Or Google and Amazon switching to AMD or maybe even Power
>>64127850Intel investor pacification callhttps://my.mixtape.moe/cqnhdh.oggAccompanying slideshttps://s21.q4cdn.com/600692695/files/doc_presentations/2018/Side-Channel-Analysis-Security.pdfIntel expect no financial impact from this incident. None whatsoever.
>>64131280I wouldn't join building a tower of Babel either. In 10-20 years it will be usable as a currency and I'll join, for now it's just a waste of energy for the sake of greed.
>>64128406>lack of feature to boost performance>bugPick one faggot. This was intended design and before today was largely irrelevant issue. Now that it is an issue is easily remedied by patching the OS.>oh no someone figured out a security loophole, now we have to patch it and impeded performanceWow just like every single time a security loophole is discovered. AKA fucking nothingAll performance loss is placebo if you own AMD. AMD didn't have the gain.The real problem that has no current fix affects everyone.
>>64131586>huge performance loss is fucking nothingintel damage control in full force
DON'TSTOP ME NOWI'M HAVING SUCH A GOOD TIMEI'M TRAVELING AT THE SPEED OF LIIIIGHT
BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY
I made $350 off AMD todayNot much but gains are gains
>>64134270Buy some buttcoins with it.
>>64127850TO SEE IF I STILL FEEL
>>64128406>gaming and everyday work should not be influenced by performance. Is this confirmed?
>>64128406I was about to buy myself a ThinkPad. Would I be better off saving up and splurging on an A series when the new models with Ryzen cpus come out?
>>64134213>BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE
>>64134610AMD Cpus are confirmed affected as well, stop listening to /g/ shills
>>64129312>>64129281>>64128406The 30% performance loss is only confirmed on Linus' two line bug fix. The prelimary benches from the windows patch show less than a 1% loss across the board.
>>64134646Only super rare AMD A-series Opterons are vulnerable to Meltdown.
>>64134270I wanted to invest in AMD after I heard about this but there is waaayyy more money to made in crypto anyway.
>>64134646>stop listening to shills>heed my shilling and only mine
>>64128406>>64134610This is not "mostly a risk for virtual machining"this is I am going to write all 0s to your fucking BIOS while your shit is running and brick your motherboard because I can do anything I fucking want trivially at a level of access ABOVE ROOTDO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND
>>64134719FINALLY SOMEONE GETS ITTHERE IS REASON TO BE OF CONCERN
>>64134279you could buy some bitcoin shavings with that maybe
>>64128406Thanks for the good post, mate.I may pound you in your ass if you want.
>>64129056I want to see where it goes at open tomorrow
>>64134200I hate analysts so much. One companies stock goes up and there's a thousand articles declaring a new paradigm or a huge conspiracy about it.
>>64134719on any modern processor?what the fuck am I supposed to use?
>>64135109AMD isn't affected
>>64127850GOOD SHIT. FUCK INTEL INTO THE GROUND I DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT THE CONTEXT. BANKRUPT INTEL NOW!!!
hm...does this means you have a solid case to request a refund in account of faulty by design under warranty protections?
>>64135169yes it is. Google discovered this vuln, and released a statement saying AMD was affected
>>64135169AMD is affected.
>>64131550Enjoy being poor.
>>64136008No it isn't, that sentence is being purposefully ambiguous, in reality AMD was only affected by Spectre 1 which was already fixed with no performance loss.And you know all this since you keep posting the same pic even though you get the same replies telling you you are wrong, what are you doing?
>>64131356Nah, they will prolly create their own CPUs
>>64136056Specter cannot be fixed, except at the hardware level. Specter affects all chips in existence.
>>64134565Windows and Linux benchmarks have so far proven that gaming at least is not affected, which is what people predicted anyway. Databases and virtualization are going to be most affected, end-user applications not so much.
>>64136111Spectre 1 got patched retard, it's Spectre 2 aka Variant Two which is unfixable, and AMD is not affected.
>>64136003google was protecting itself from lawsuits because AMD is affected by spectre but everyone on this board is talking about meltdown. the real fucking issue. the 30% performance loss patch issue. Stop using spectre for damage control. Its a different issue altogether which has been patched with no performance loss.. UNLIKE INTEL MELTDOWN
>>64129252i have to agree but >>64129118is right too. this is a BUY period!! smartfags would invest when the next drop comes and then the i9 will come out and smartfags will be richfags. screenshot this post.
>>64134684Linus is a treasure.
>>64136111ahhhh~this is tiring.>>64134718
>>64131550>ethereum >waste of energy Top kek me heartie, it's like we're not even on a technology board
>>64128838You idiot. The nightly news hasn't even broadcast the story yet. You know not how much lower it will go.
If you have stock in Intel, what you want to do to profit from this is sell now, then buy back your shares when they become cheaper. This is called short selling and it let's you turn a dive into a win.
>>64128406So how do i throttle my cpu to get rid of the vulnerability then? or will jewtel do it for me
>>64136147yes because people realise this means the entire planet must buy new cpusIntel wins AGAIN.
>>64137095Nobody has a good excuse to buy Intel ever again.
>>64137081Latest windows 10 and linux updates "fix" it by entirely disabling the feature, causing a big performance loss depending on load. Throttling isn't related to it.
>>64127850>intel will die in your lifetimeBest timeline for sure
>>64134719i told them that BIOS should be ROM only but they didn't listen
>>64127850google came out today with more information. the main exploit is called spectre which has different attack vectors for it. one is called meltdown which is the worse because it allows any program to view any process memory. the other vector attacks for it only allow you view a process memory only if you know the process you want to attack before hand. while meltdown allows for complete view of any process memory without needing to know anything about it.google stated ALL processors on the market since the 90's are effected by spectre. all tested amd, arm, and intel processors have the exploit. but so far only intel from 2009 and above and select arm processors are affected by meltdown by the nature of intel's and arm out of order design. essentially intel and arm have processors that have a larger out of order pool that allows for a longer attack window to use meltdown type attack vector. google has stated that amd should be effected by it but their current way of exploiting meltdown isn't capable yet and with time they are sure they can get the meltdown exploit to work on bulldozer and ryzen cpu's. but at the moment its only intel processors since 2009 and select arm processors that can be effected by meltdown.ALL amd, arm, and intel processors can be exploited by all other spectre exploits though. the only current way to fix it is to disable speculative out of order processing at the processor level.
>>64136122>gaming at least is not affectedoh thank fuck
the fuck is wrong with the press today?ryan shrout shilling for amdtpu shilling for amdI'm actually happy, I just don't understand this new world order.
>>64131280>mfw almost bought in at $11 but bought at $380 insteadWhatever, I guess $10-$100k gains will be better than nothing.
>>64137529>intel's goalpost-shifting masterpiecethey not only named the jew, they even got the fallacies right. tpu went full /pol/, they showed their powerlevel publicly.
>>64137529they even reposted this >>64134684if steve burke aligns with amd tomorrow I just don't what i'll do. that's my baseline, calling it now.
which reminds me, Jim, adoredtv, probably reached enlightenment today.
>>64137617he dumped it back in november, though.good effort.
>>64127850>intel lost nearly 1/2 what AMD holds total>intel is still completely finewhen this shit releases regarding AMD, they won't be able to survive, especially after the Vega fiasco
that good old tom.never change dear boy.I despise that site but i just had to checkhttp://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-cpu-bug-amd-performance,36213.html
>>64134646thats spectre not meltdown retard
>>64137497yes, your steam library will be perfectly fine ^^denuvo is inconsenquentialonline games? your friend's ARK, space engineers, minecraft server? don't worry.
>>64131426Shut up shill. AMD can mitigate this by setting a kernel boot parameter. Intel doesn't respect the flag, so software has to do all checks during syscall. Intel is screwed
>>64134719Was this what y2k was supposed to be
>>64129194don't forget to upvote and subscribefaggot
great job, intel. first you shoot yourself in the knee by letting AMD survive and now this
>>64137793factoring in mobiles? it's way worse.
>>64137837My mobile uses ARM. Am I safe?
>>64136031enjoy your worthless virtual shitcoins
gosh, I need a new forumoverclockers is so tame these days.what do you guise recommend? (i migrated there after xtremesystems died, I baited mike papermaster so hard even though I've always been an amd fanboy, it was just too easy, those were good days).
>local news does not mention Intel by name
>>64137940I haven't been there in a while but if you're looking for something that's not "tame"...
>>64137956well, that was actually a good one, given the context.well played.
>not buying the dip laffin all the way to lamboland
>>64137976not even tyler is rec'ing buying this dip.btfd btfo, laugh your way back to squatting anon.
>>64137548Don't worry. The bubble's popping so you've got a second chance.
>>64138053Keep telling yourself that
>>64137976You think *this* is the dip? Get back to me when it's down to $38 or so, when buying will actually make sense.
>>64138076Nigger are you stupid? It's one of the biggest bull traps I've ever seen but it's still a bull trap.Get into other cryptocurrencies. They'll be much safer to trade with.
>>64127850So fucking fake, AMD shills are fucking desperate LMAO
>>64131280charge your fucking battery
>>64137893Windows first attempted to patch the problem back in November. Brian may have been notified that the fix was untenable, and sold in response.
>>64134697Fuck off with your ponzi scheme.
>>64127850>>64134327I FOCUS ON THE PAIN
>>64136122>>64137497gaming loses arent big but are there
>>64131550dur dur durin other words you dont even know what the fuck your talking about
>>64137529its likeintel wants to sell you an abacusbut not let you do 2+2 on itfuck them
>>64139840>max framerateWho cares, how is the 1% minimum affected? That's where I imagine gaymes will take the biggest hit from this by a large margin.
>>64127850It dropped $3 in 5 days how shocking
>>64139992You will have to wait few more days until there are good benchmarks.
>>64129561>he thinks 4chan is some kind of hackerplace