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I HURT MYSELF TODAY
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JUST
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>>64127850
what happened?
also, >>>/biz/
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>>64128192
Major hardware bug discovered, which has been in the design of all of intels 64bit CPU's. Its mostly a risk for virtual machining, as it allows non-users access to memory not allocated to them. But real black hat hackers only make money by being smart and incredible creative, so it might be useable for very, very bad exploits for private PC's as well.

It can not be fixed, it is build into it. So you have to tell windows/linux/MacOS not to use these functions in order to fix it temporarely.

On the systems that needs this operation, early studies shows 35-40% performance loss.

gaming and everyday work should not be influenced by performance.

But how about EPYC now? It was already tempting, the first server manufacturers have already joined, and now you can not literally buy a Intel CPU and be safe if you are doing servers, and you cannot accept even 10% performance loss due to the incredible amount of money required. Only option until 9th gen Intel is AMD.
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>>64128192
/biz/ is nothing than Bitcoins and the other shitty memeblocks
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on the flipside, my $AMD is doing quite well today
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>>64128809

Same. Took this opportunity to buy some Intel shares on the low. Lets hope Intel rebounds soon.
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>>64127850
nice just bought 100k
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>>64127850
Buy the stocks, it will only go up once the market fixes itself. It will fix itself once the market finds out the "critical bug that reduces performance by 50%" is a big fat lie.
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INTEL IS FINISHED
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>>64129056
lmao this

I love how disingenuous the OP image is. This drop is meaningless.
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>>64128406
i went on /g/, i saw three consecutive threads regarding Intel near their bump limit, i read them all. none contained anything remotely as concise as your post. thanks for not spamming memes with the rest.
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>>64128406
>early studies shows 35-40% performance loss.
UP TO 30% loss.
As low as <0.1% loss.
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>>64129118
Wait for the class-action lawsuits.
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>>64129219
depends on the CPU operation.
Userland? <=0%
I/O operations in Kernel? >=30%
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>>64129219
It's going to have a huge impact on data center/backend shit. Gaming and personal computers? Not so much.

Cloud providers are freaking out right now.
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>>64129118
>the publicly exposed NSA backdoor is meaningless
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>>64129281
>I/O operations in Kernel? >=30%

Depends on the size of those I/O operations. It's the switching between kernel and userland that is slow, so if you read/write 1 GB at a time the losses will be minimal, but if you need a million 1 KB blocks from 100 threads it's going to be a disaster.
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DROP IT
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>>64129056
Shit will really hit the fan, when the exploit goes public.
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>>64127850
It's going down to 30. It's going to cost Intel into the tens of billions to fix this shit.
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So is this the moment to buy Intel stocks?
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>>64128543
>hes a no coiner
I'm amazed more of you haven't killed yourselves yet
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>>64129252
Or Google and Amazon switching to AMD or maybe even Power
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>>64127850
Intel investor pacification call
https://my.mixtape.moe/cqnhdh.ogg

Accompanying slides
https://s21.q4cdn.com/600692695/files/doc_presentations/2018/Side-Channel-Analysis-Security.pdf

Intel expect no financial impact from this incident. None whatsoever.
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>>64131280
I wouldn't join building a tower of Babel either. In 10-20 years it will be usable as a currency and I'll join, for now it's just a waste of energy for the sake of greed.
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>>64128406
>lack of feature to boost performance
>bug
Pick one faggot. This was intended design and before today was largely irrelevant issue. Now that it is an issue is easily remedied by patching the OS.
>oh no someone figured out a security loophole, now we have to patch it and impeded performance
Wow just like every single time a security loophole is discovered. AKA fucking nothing

All performance loss is placebo if you own AMD. AMD didn't have the gain.

The real problem that has no current fix affects everyone.
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>>64131586
>huge performance loss is fucking nothing

intel damage control in full force
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DON'T
STOP
ME
NOW

I'M HAVING SUCH A GOOD TIME
I'M TRAVELING AT THE SPEED OF LIIIIGHT
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BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY
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I made $350 off AMD today
Not much but gains are gains
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>>64134270
Buy some buttcoins with it.
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>>64127850
TO SEE IF I STILL FEEL
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>>64128406
>gaming and everyday work should not be influenced by performance.
Is this confirmed?
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>>64128406
I was about to buy myself a ThinkPad. Would I be better off saving up and splurging on an A series when the new models with Ryzen cpus come out?
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>>64134213
>BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE BYE
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>>64134610
AMD Cpus are confirmed affected as well, stop listening to /g/ shills
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>>64129312
>>64129281
>>64128406
The 30% performance loss is only confirmed on Linus' two line bug fix. The prelimary benches from the windows patch show less than a 1% loss across the board.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt1Pwfnh5pc
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>>64134646
Only super rare AMD A-series Opterons are vulnerable to Meltdown.
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>>64134270
I wanted to invest in AMD after I heard about this but there is waaayyy more money to made in crypto anyway.
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>>64134646
>stop listening to shills
>heed my shilling and only mine
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>>64128406
>>64134610
This is not "mostly a risk for virtual machining"

this is I am going to write all 0s to your fucking BIOS while your shit is running and brick your motherboard because I can do anything I fucking want trivially at a level of access ABOVE ROOT

DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND
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>>64134719
FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT

THERE IS REASON TO BE OF CONCERN
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>>64134279
you could buy some bitcoin shavings with that maybe
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>>64128406
Thanks for the good post, mate.
I may pound you in your ass if you want.
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>>64129056
I want to see where it goes at open tomorrow
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>>64134200
I hate analysts so much. One companies stock goes up and there's a thousand articles declaring a new paradigm or a huge conspiracy about it.
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>>64134719
on any modern processor?
what the fuck am I supposed to use?
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>>64135109
AMD isn't affected
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>>64127850
GOOD SHIT. FUCK INTEL INTO THE GROUND I DON'T EVEN CARE ABOUT THE CONTEXT. BANKRUPT INTEL NOW!!!
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hm...
does this means you have a solid case to request a refund in account of faulty by design under warranty protections?
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>>64134646
>affected
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>>64135169
yes it is. Google discovered this vuln, and released a statement saying AMD was affected
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>>64135169
AMD is affected.
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>>64131550
Enjoy being poor.
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>>64136008
No it isn't, that sentence is being purposefully ambiguous, in reality AMD was only affected by Spectre 1 which was already fixed with no performance loss.
And you know all this since you keep posting the same pic even though you get the same replies telling you you are wrong, what are you doing?
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>>64131356
Nah, they will prolly create their own CPUs
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>>64136056
Specter cannot be fixed, except at the hardware level. Specter affects all chips in existence.
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>>64134565
Windows and Linux benchmarks have so far proven that gaming at least is not affected, which is what people predicted anyway. Databases and virtualization are going to be most affected, end-user applications not so much.
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>>64136111
Spectre 1 got patched retard, it's Spectre 2 aka Variant Two which is unfixable, and AMD is not affected.
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FAKE NEWS!!!
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>>64136003
google was protecting itself from lawsuits because AMD is affected by spectre but everyone on this board is talking about meltdown. the real fucking issue. the 30% performance loss patch issue. Stop using spectre for damage control. Its a different issue altogether which has been patched with no performance loss.. UNLIKE INTEL MELTDOWN
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>>64129252
i have to agree but

>>64129118
is right too. this is a BUY period!! smartfags would invest when the next drop comes and then the i9 will come out and smartfags will be richfags. screenshot this post.
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>>64134684
Linus is a treasure.
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>>64136111
ahhhh~
this is tiring.
>>64134718
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>>64131550
>ethereum
>waste of energy
Top kek me heartie, it's like we're not even on a technology board
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>>64128838
You idiot. The nightly news hasn't even broadcast the story yet. You know not how much lower it will go.
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If you have stock in Intel, what you want to do to profit from this is sell now, then buy back your shares when they become cheaper. This is called short selling and it let's you turn a dive into a win.
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>>64128406
So how do i throttle my cpu to get rid of the vulnerability then? or will jewtel do it for me
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>>64136147
yes because people realise this means the entire planet must buy new cpus
Intel wins AGAIN.
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>>64137095
Nobody has a good excuse to buy Intel ever again.
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>>64137081
Latest windows 10 and linux updates "fix" it by entirely disabling the feature, causing a big performance loss depending on load. Throttling isn't related to it.
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>>64127850
>intel will die in your lifetime
Best timeline for sure
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>>64134719
i told them that BIOS should be ROM only but they didn't listen
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>>64127850
google came out today with more information. the main exploit is called spectre which has different attack vectors for it. one is called meltdown which is the worse because it allows any program to view any process memory. the other vector attacks for it only allow you view a process memory only if you know the process you want to attack before hand. while meltdown allows for complete view of any process memory without needing to know anything about it.

google stated ALL processors on the market since the 90's are effected by spectre. all tested amd, arm, and intel processors have the exploit. but so far only intel from 2009 and above and select arm processors are affected by meltdown by the nature of intel's and arm out of order design. essentially intel and arm have processors that have a larger out of order pool that allows for a longer attack window to use meltdown type attack vector. google has stated that amd should be effected by it but their current way of exploiting meltdown isn't capable yet and with time they are sure they can get the meltdown exploit to work on bulldozer and ryzen cpu's. but at the moment its only intel processors since 2009 and select arm processors that can be effected by meltdown.

ALL amd, arm, and intel processors can be exploited by all other spectre exploits though. the only current way to fix it is to disable speculative out of order processing at the processor level.
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>>64136122
>gaming at least is not affected
oh thank fuck
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the fuck is wrong with the press today?
ryan shrout shilling for amd
tpu shilling for amd


I'm actually happy, I just don't understand this new world order.
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>>64131280

>mfw almost bought in at $11 but bought at $380 instead
Whatever, I guess $10-$100k gains will be better than nothing.
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>>64137529
>intel's goalpost-shifting masterpiece

they not only named the jew, they even got the fallacies right. tpu went full /pol/, they showed their powerlevel publicly.
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>>64137529
they even reposted this >>64134684
if steve burke aligns with amd tomorrow I just don't what i'll do. that's my baseline, calling it now.
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>>64127850
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which reminds me, Jim, adoredtv, probably reached enlightenment today.
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>>64137617
he dumped it back in november, though.
good effort.
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>>64127850
>intel lost nearly 1/2 what AMD holds total
>intel is still completely fine

when this shit releases regarding AMD, they won't be able to survive, especially after the Vega fiasco
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that good old tom.
never change dear boy.

I despise that site but i just had to check
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-cpu-bug-amd-performance,36213.html
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>>64137666

https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/948696313230757889
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>>64134646
thats spectre not meltdown retard
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>>64137497
yes, your steam library will be perfectly fine ^^
denuvo is inconsenquential
online games? your friend's ARK, space engineers, minecraft server? don't worry.
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>>64131426
Shut up shill. AMD can mitigate this by setting a kernel boot parameter. Intel doesn't respect the flag, so software has to do all checks during syscall. Intel is screwed
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>>64134719
Was this what y2k was supposed to be
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>>64129194
don't forget to upvote and subscribe
faggot
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great job, intel. first you shoot yourself in the knee by letting AMD survive and now this
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>>64137793
factoring in mobiles? it's way worse.
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>>64137837

My mobile uses ARM. Am I safe?
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>>64137712
?
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>>64136031
enjoy your worthless virtual shitcoins
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gosh, I need a new forum
overclockers is so tame these days.

what do you guise recommend? (i migrated there after xtremesystems died, I baited mike papermaster so hard even though I've always been an amd fanboy, it was just too easy, those were good days).
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>local news does not mention Intel by name
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>>64137901

Try /baph/
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>>64137916
2^3 chan?
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>>64137940

I haven't been there in a while but if you're looking for something that's not "tame"...
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>>64137916
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>>64137956
well, that was actually a good one, given the context.
well played.
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>not buying the dip
laffin all the way to lamboland
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>>64137976
not even tyler is rec'ing buying this dip.
btfd btfo, laugh your way back to squatting anon.
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>>64137548
Don't worry. The bubble's popping so you've got a second chance.
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>>64138053
Keep telling yourself that
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>>64137976
You think *this* is the dip? Get back to me when it's down to $38 or so, when buying will actually make sense.
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>>64138076
Nigger are you stupid? It's one of the biggest bull traps I've ever seen but it's still a bull trap.
Get into other cryptocurrencies. They'll be much safer to trade with.
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>>64127850
So fucking fake, AMD shills are fucking desperate LMAO
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>>64131280
charge your fucking battery
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>>64137893

Windows first attempted to patch the problem back in November. Brian may have been notified that the fix was untenable, and sold in response.
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>>64134697
Fuck off with your ponzi scheme.
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>>64127850
>>64134327
I FOCUS ON THE PAIN
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>>64134719
lmfao
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>>64136122
>>64137497
gaming loses arent big but are there
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>>64131550
dur dur dur
in other words you dont even know what the fuck your talking about
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>>64137529
its like
intel wants to sell you an abacus
but not let you do 2+2 on it
fuck them
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>>64139840
>max framerate
Who cares, how is the 1% minimum affected? That's where I imagine gaymes will take the biggest hit from this by a large margin.
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>>64127850
It dropped $3 in 5 days how shocking
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>>64139992
You will have to wait few more days until there are good benchmarks.
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>>64129561
>he thinks 4chan is some kind of hackerplace




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