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>tfw fell for the 144hz meme
This isn't worth it at all holy shit
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>>64281855
>meme
K gen z.

The point is 144hz display with gsync. So you get the benefits of gsync with 144hz.
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>fell for the 8gb meme
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Then you must have shit for eyes. Going to 60hz after having experienced 144hz is such a laggy pos.
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ebig beit
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asking seriously - should I get a low end TN 1080p 144Hz display or a low end 1440p IPS 60Hz one? I only game moderately
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>>64281909
>le emperor's new clothes
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>>64281885
>paying a premium for proprietary shit
lol no
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Anything 75-100hz you notice decent upgrade
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>>64281948
144 If you play a lot of fps or multiplayer games
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>>64282031
neither. IPS it is
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>>64282003
>proprietary
It's a standard that multiple manufacturers support, dumbass.
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>>64281855
>Retard that hasn't changed his 144Hz to 144Hz in Windows.
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>>64281944
Not saying there's no difference, it's just that the difference isn't worth the extra cost
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>>64281948
TN is an eyesore if you intend to use the panel for anything else than text, then IPS
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>>64281948
>I only game moderately
The only reason for these refresh rates in this application is gaming.
>>64282147
TN is better just flat out.
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>>64281974
Are you dumb or do you not realize people used to overclock CRT's to 90Hz or higher for gaming? 60Hz has always been shit, look at old Quake forums, there's people whining about getting 50-60fps instead of 90.
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>forget to 'xrandr --output DP-0 --mode 2560x1440 --rate 165' in .xinitrc
>Brother uses computer briefly.
>OMG WHY IS YOUR MOUSE SO SLOW
>Its set at 60HZ

As far as I'm concerned 60HZ is the new 30HZ. The difference is night and day.
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>>64281909
This
>get used to 144Hz desktop browsing
>switch back to 60Hz
>mouse feels like laggy shit, scrolling 4chan feels stuttery
Literally every study on motion says that 72-90Hz is when humans see something as smooth motion. It's why they pushed 72Hz for 3D and Oculus is pushing 90hz for VR. The only reason cheap monitor manufacturers got away with 60Hz is because of sample and hold, so normies don't notice the slowness. Try 60Hz on a CRT monitor, it literally rapes your eyes.
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>>64282413
>>64282554
>overclock CRT
>60Hz on a CRT monitor, it literally rapes your eyes
You kids are too young to have even used a crt.
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>>64281901
>tfw fell for the wait for volta meme
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>>64282571
Not if they had cheap ass parents and hand me down computer equipment.
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>>64282554
You've convinced me to update my current displays to 144Hz. Any models recommendations?
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>>64282611
And what video-card do i need to use 2*4k@144Hz?
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>>64282571
I have a CRT actually, at its max resolution of 1280x1024@60Hz it's literally unusable. I can bump it up to 69Hz but it's still not perfect. 1152x864 and 1024x768 are much easier on the eyes and much better for gaming.
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>>64282413
what people? everyone that had money switched to flat screen monitors as soon as they were available. the only people that were using CRTs were poorfags.

now, in every thread there's some fuckwad claiming that CRTs were preferred for gaming. that's a load of shit. as early as 2004/2005 the average gayming kiddie's set up would have a flat screen monitor.
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>>64282646
>everyone that had money switched to flat screen monitors as soon as they were available

No they fucking didn't, the first few years of flat screens looked like fucking ass.

Stuck at 59HZ with massive ghosting, you could literally draw shit on the screen moving the mouse around.
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>>64282611
>>64282634
there are no 144hz 4k panels currently available.
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>>64282672
Nvidia just released one at CES.
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>>64282664
yes, they did. i was dumb enough to piss away my youth on cs 1.6/css and like i said by 2004/2005 only poorfags were still using CRTs. i stuck with mine until 2007 not because i wanted to, but because i was a poorfag.
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>>64282672
So what's the point in buying 144hz for browsing if no 4k available?
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>>64282646
This is straight up historical revisionism. Computer Gaming World and PCGamer routinely shit on LCD's n 2004-5. This is an article form 2006 when prices were coming down, notice how submissive and defensive it is. "Yeah, LCD's are slower, and have shit blacks, but they're lighter and brighter! Your game will look like blurry garbage but at least LAN parties will be more convenient!" LCD's had a horrible reputation among enthisast PC gamers until Nvidia came out with their 120Hz LightBoost monitor.
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>>64282710
There isn't a point. 144hz is a meme.
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>>64282743
Forgot pic.
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You have to enable it moron.
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lol
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>>64282743
>>64282767
kek who the fuck still went to LAN parties in 2006?
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>>64282706
Playing CS on a 2004 LCD monitor would have been a horrible experience.
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inb4 op forgot to turn it on in the windows settings
windows defaults to 60hz even with a 144hz screen connected

inb4 op can't get 144fps
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>>64282634
Titan V or a 1080ti, 4k is hard
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>>64282710
Literally coming out this year. That's the only reason I haven't got a 4k monitor, they're all slow trash.
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>>64282759
t. poorfag
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>>64282868
Actually I partially take that back, didn't realize that DP1.2 can go up to 4k/75Hz and some monitors can overclock to 75Hz easily. That's not as bad as 60 but I'm still content waiting for 120Hz displays.
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>>64282868
For browsing/programming purposes dpi more important than speed. So when choice is between them - you definitely should pick 4k.
But 4k@144Hz sounds pretty cool for me.
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reminder to turn off goysync and turn on ulmb instead
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>>64282706
If you had money you bought a triniton based CRT with a flat display that did 120HZ in like 2000-2002 and it was still better than whatever flat screen piece of shit was coming out at the time for $500.
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>>64282068
POORFAG BEGONE
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I'm satisfied with playing shootan games at 120Hz.
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>tfw brown eyes so can't see past 60hz
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>>64281855
get IPS instead or OLED if you can afford it. had a 120hz TN panel monitor in 2012 because i was into gaming back then. the 120hz was smooth but the colors sucked so much. gladly i stopped the manchild gaming and got a real IPS 60hz monitor. stop being a gayman and get a real monitor and a real os

my golden words for today. bye faggets
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>>64282635
Sounds like you have a shit CRT. If it doesn't at least support 1600x1200@85Hz you should throw it in the garbage.
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>>64282986
there was a very small group of people that were still buying CRTs at that point in time, and an even smaller group that would buy premium CRTs.

everyone knew it was a transition period and they were just waiting for a good enough deal on a flat panel to make them switch. when i finally switched in 2007 i was among the last to do so, and again, that was due to being a poorfag and not preference.
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>>64282926
For stuff like editing, sure higher resolutions are a bigger benefit. You you haven't used 4chan until you've scrolled down a thread at 144fps. Web browsing is dramatically better at high refresh rates. On sample and hold displays higher refresh rates mean less motion blur, so moving text/pictures are easier to see.
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>>64283022
>being so insecure that you base your hobbies and possessions on how "adult" they are
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>>64283037
That was also true but there were a few years where there weren't any good LCD replacements regardless of price.
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>>64281855
whats next?
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>>64282986
This, rear projection TV's and plasma TV's were better than LCD TV's, and high end CRT monitors were better than LCD monitors. LCD has always been a shit technology, it's only real advantage is really it's lightness and thinness make it good for laptops and other portable devices. Interpolation, aka the "Soap Opera effect," was literally invented to mitigate the horrible blurring on LCD's, and Overdrive was used to mitigate the horrible ghosting. Even the manufactures had to spend years figuring out how to work around the severe technological limitations of LCD.
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Why would I pay extra money just to have my mouse and scrolling move more smoothly? Sounds retarded.
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>>64283037
It's objective fact that LCD's in 2004/2005 were trash. If anyone sincerely thought that being an early adopter of LCD's over CRT was a good idea they got scammed, sorry. It has nothing to do with poorfags or richfags. Again, just read any gaming or TV article from 2004, they all thought LCD's were cheap trash. Most high end consumer electronics fans bet on plasma, LCD's were always a transition technology.
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>>64283096
You can buy a DIY 4k/120Hz panel right now that supports 540p/480Hz. I can't imagine playing a game at 540p, but it's an interesting prototype.
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>>64283143
Except LCDs had better contrast and that along with the cheaper price was why they took over so fast.
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>>64283022
Overclock that shit to 75Hz at least faggot, PC's weren't meant to be used at 60Hz.
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>>64283119
It is retarded until you get used to it.

Bird in a cage syndrome.
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>>64283177
Better contrast means fuck all when they have less colors and can't properly display black. High end professional CRT's still had a place in the industry for years since there was no LCD monitor that could even come close.
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>>64283218
>Better contrast means fuck all
Typing anon.
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there is something wrong with your eyes, or you play very low paced games
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my games run at 20-40 fps, some are simply locked at 30 or 60
yeah, that monitor will surely improve my experience

but seriously, who is the target audience for those? apart from counterstrike what games can hit that limit withtout the need of quad SLI setup?
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>>64282052
it's a Nvidia standard
the actual, freely usable, license free industry-standard is freesync
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>>64283243
Are you so ignorant that you think standards are free? You think something like the HDMI standard is free?
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>>64283241
Graphics cards can push games at pretty high framerates nowadays. Especially if you lower the graphics settings a bit.
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>tfw fell for 16GiB RAM meme
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>>64281855
Honestly 4k is a much bigger meme if you wanna upgrade, you dont need 4k for a screen, 144Hz or even 120 do give the feeling of future
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>>64282172
You get better response times, no glow, and theyre cheaper. Given the image quality and viewing angles of IPS, that's hardly flat out.
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>>64283412
>Given the image quality and viewing angles of IPS
Pointless and possibly a negative for the application.
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>>64281855
gayming aside:
it hurts to operate the desktop at 60Hz after having witnessed 144Hz.
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>>64281855
I bought a 1440p/165Hz/G-Sync monitor and was fairly underwhelmed by it overall. Ended up returning it and buying a 4K TV instead, which had a far bigger impact on my gaming enjoyment. I find having a huge screen to sit in front of much more immersive than a tiny monitor. I'm sure those new 65" 120Hz monitors will be the best of both worlds if you have $10k to spend.
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>>64283457
This is a good reason NOT to get a 144hz monitor. I use 60hz monitors at work and regularly use my laptop. I don't want to feel that pain whenever I'm away from my desktop.
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>>64283096
More Hz means more NPCs
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>>64282791
mfw I have about half of that crap
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>not wanting smoother mouse movement
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Anything over a 100Hz is probably meme territory. Basically with a 120Hz refresh you see twice the information as 60Hz but does it necessarily improve your gaming performance or experience? Maybe. What is easier to control? A car going 60 MPH or 120 MPH? Seeing faster movement and visual data can actually be a disadvantage for a lot of people. How many frames are being rendered is also important. If you are only rendering 60 FPS then 120Hz refresh isn't being very useful. If you are rendering 250+ FPS then whether you have a 60Hz screen or 120Hz screen you will be getting more up to date information anyway. I personally prefer using 85Hz on my CRT screen for gaming. It is kind of a sweet spot between 60Hz choppiness and 120Hz smoothness (and the low latency CRT provides of course). I am not an expert on new monitors but last I checked they still aren't as good as a CRT for gaming. Higher input latency, ghosting, bad colors etc. Real competitive gaming died with CRT monitors. Will there ever be another FPS title as good as Quake III? Not a chance. -oldschool gamer
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>>64281855
>tfw fell for the 4k meme
feelz good
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>>64283457
I have 2 60hz and 144hz monitor at home. I would not just buy it for a more fuild mouse movement. Only important for muh gaymans
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>tfw fall for the 4k meme
>games don't support it
>windows 10 scaling doesnt support it
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>>64283673
>If you are only rendering 60 FPS then 120Hz refresh isn't being very useful.
To be fair you do get less input lag running 60fps@120Hz than 60fps@60Hz. This is because the scanout speed of the monitor is still running at 120Hz, so even if the game is updating every 16.7ms, the monitor is updating every 8.3ms. So as soon as the frame is rendered it can be thrown up on the screen.
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>>64282791
Don't make fun of my mouse you fucking asshole. The g600 has plenty of actual non-gaming applications.
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>fall for 4k meme
>only 4k things to watch are shitty netflix originals
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>>64283254
HDMI isn't free
However DisplayPort is free
USB is free
>all standards you have to pay for

Define "standard" you inbreed
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>>64283813
A standard requiring a license doesn't make it proprietary champ. That was the point.
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>>64283834
VESA Adaptive Sync/Freesync is open, while Gsync isn't. Gsync relies on a proprietary hardware module in the monitor.
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>>64283788
That is true. It's debatable how beneficial that is though.
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>>64281855
Did you fucking enable it on your OS? Neither windows or linux run at 144hz by default, you have to configure it.
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>>64282635
>it's literally unusable
because you find the flicker annoying or because of the frame rate itself?
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>>64286069
Because of the flicker mainly. It was just an analogy to show that 60Hz is typically under the "line" where humans start seeing smooth or uninterrupted motion. If you use a 100+Hz monitor and get used to it, going back to 60Hz is tough, the mouse feels laggy. People only tolerate 60hz monitors because sample and hold hides the slowness of it.
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>>64286182
you mean people """tolerate""" 60hz on lcds because they don't flicker like crts and it's the flickering that bothers them and not the frame rate itself.
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>>64282635
You can probably hit higher refresh rates using a lower resolution like 800x600. Surely you can at least hit 85. My CRT can do 140Hz at 800x600.
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>>64287142
I know? I think you misread my post, I could only achieve 69Hz at 1280x1024, but could achieve much higher at lower resolutions like 1024x768.
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>>64282634
You are guaranteed to pay out the ass for a 4k 144Hz monitor. If I were you I'd rather get a 75Hz freesync display or 120Hz. The lag difference between 120 and 144 is all but impossible to discern and 240 is pure lol. I mean if you have the money to throw at it go for it but through personal experience once you hit triple digit refresh it drastically drops off in usefulness. Motion is pretty damn fluid around 90-100 FPS.
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>>64287206
ok I understand now and yea I wouldn't use <75Hz on CRT either. It's definitely an eye strain.
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>>64281855
>not wanting to see more A-10s
cuck
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>>64282791
>he unironically uses rubber-dome keyboards
this is you
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>>64281855
i think 144Hz is totally worth it.
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>>64283171
>not playing C&C at 480hz

lmao do you even game
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>>64281885
gsync is meant for playing at low framerates more smoothly without stuttering
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Which is preferred: 1080p 144hz OR 1440p 60hz

Specifically if you aren't worried about the gayming meme (I do play games but they are pixel art-tier)
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>>64288413
60Hz high resolution sounds right for you. High refresh rate is more of a concern for hardcore gamers.
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>>64282664
I remember this, always thought it was just some new fangled windows animation that i didnt know how to turn off.
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>>64288413
1440p is so much nicer than 1080p for desktop use. Need to be 27" or more though so you can use it without scaling. If you're not a serious gamer there is no reason to go 120hz over 1440p. Whatever you do, don't get a tn panel though.
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>>64281855
too lazy to read thread just here to say i use 144hz and would never go back. thix bye
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>>64287544
>>>/v/
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Video gaming industry is almost just a fraud at this point.
Claims like run this so great on PC only to find out you can't because its a port that was visually below the console it was ported from's minimum requirements.
I go outdoors more now, gaming's really messed up at the moment if you buy AAA games.
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>>64282928
>wanting input lag
why?
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>>64291624

Once microsoft lets you officially use a keyboard and mouse on xbone it's over for PC gaming. Coming from an unbiased stand point becuase I have an xbone and a PC it's just a hassle and way more expensive than everyone claims to be. I got my 1070 before the miners went crazy gain and it was still $50 less than an x1x. Add on top of that the constant updates and tweaks you need to do it's a fucking hassle.

Also I don't understand the 144hz meme unless you're playing a game that is going to look good at 144hz there's literally no point.
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>>64292020
kek
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>>64283243
Gsync is also objectively better than freesync
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i have a 90Hz lcd panel and while it's smoother than 60Hz, imo it's not really something to salivate over, especially considering that none of the modern OS can get even 60 fps without drops when rendering their UI animations with more than two windows opened. Same for browsers and modern web. Until we'll be getting permanent locked 60 fps everywhere at all times, there is no point in going further, as inconsistant framerate is perceived much worse.
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>>64282681
Ok faggot link me one I can buy today and I'll upgrade
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>>64282068
If you actually tried it, you'd realise it is.
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>>64292894
That's objectively bullshit and what people who spent an extra $200 on it tell themselves to justify it in their mind. The only downside to VESA adaptive sync/FreeSync is that there are bad implementations of it due to it being down to the monitor manufacturer to sort out, but the better ones are indistinguishable from GoySync.
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>>64281855

If your GPU can drive it to 144Hz, then yes it's totally worth it.
The difference is so noticeable I postponed playing several titles I looked forward to until the next gen of GPUs can run them at 1440p 144Hz.
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>>64281855
Maybe you should get your eyes checked, anon.
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When will 144Hz IPS 4k monitors come out?
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>>64288413
1440p with 144hz
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>>64281855
>buys 144hz monitor
>doesn't change it in the settings
>wonders why it looks the same as 60
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>>64281855
The problem is, OP, that you probably aren't seeing all the frames. If you are just viewing Windows through the 60hz mode, you don't see the green frames, the frames with letters in their ids, or anything numberless. Together, those make up about 40-70 percent of the frames, depending on the day. So the display will appear disjointed and spastic, because you won't be getting the full picture.

I actually just flipped over to the 144hz interface to make this post, and it's pretty funny how unintelligible Windows is like this
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>>64294878
Can you do a frame by frame analysis with a recording?
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When will 240+ Hz 4K non-TN monitors come out?
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>>64283457
yep, very good reason not to upgrade until it's standard on all screens.
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>>64294441
This year for sure. Although, I'm unsure if manufacturing has been slightly delayed due to the whole VESA's HDR standard thing.
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>>64295550
When you grow up.
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>>64283793
>Don't make fun of my mouse you fucking asshole. The g600 has plenty of actual non-gaming applications.

agreed. g600 is probably mediocre for gaming unless you're into MMOs or whatever, but it is god tier for productivity, especially when combined with decent input macro software (AutoHotKey etc. in Windows)
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>>64295550
Unlikely any time son. 240fps has a frametime of 4.17ms, while the fastest IPS and VA monitors claim to have a response time of 4ms. GtG response times aren't usually accurate though, more than likely there will be spikes up to 9ms or so. When the refresh rate is higher than the response time it causes ghosting. Overdrive might help but it's possible that 240Hz is outside the limits of IPS panels,
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>>64282068
>extra cost
I bought my VG248QE for $250. That's at most $150 more than a comparable 60hz monitor.
A monitor will last a decade unless you're planning on upgrading every few years, and you wouldn't be cheaping out on your monitor if you were upgrading every few years.
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144hz is not enough kiddo
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>>64297899
>interpolation to 120Hz
>black frame insertion to "240Hz"
Huh, what else is there? Are they using subpixels like plasma TV?
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>>64298032
probably just 1.2kHz backlight PWM strobing
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>buying a high refresh rate monitor before getting an iq test
you do realise fps perception is limted by iq, right? if you don't have at least an 120 iq you probably can't even see past 60 fps. maybe if you concentrate really hard you might be able to get about a 20fps perception increase for short bursts.
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>>64283243
>it's a Nvidia standard

pff who buys a mobo that only supports AMD OR intel chips?

Fucking proprietary shit.
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>mfw no 1440p 144hz IPS monitors that don't look like gayman shit or have ultra thin bezels for multi-monitor
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>>64299485
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236466
Looks fine to me
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>>64300598
>bottom looks like an edgy gamer stealth bomber
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>>64281855
This is a trashy tech I know I won't fall for, for me accurate colors >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ghosting or whatever placebo gamerz trash.
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>>64300772
Its a fucking black plastic wedge anon, what do you want? Put it on a vesa arm if it bothers you so much.
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>>64281855
>tfw 165hz

literal heaven
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>>64300797
Most 144hz IPS monitors have sRGB and 10-bit color nowadays.
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>>64300772
>I-I-I don't w-want my p-parents to think I-I'm a m-manchild
Grow up.
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>placebo gamerz trash
Actual high refresh rate monitors are bretty gud for latency sensitive shit where seeing something happen a frame later can mean you lose, but most of the time its a meme. I really can't think of anything but CSS or CSGO, since they are arcade enough where twitch matters but realistic enough where a few shots kill. Nice for racing games that support higher than 60 and don't use meme motion blur and thats about it. Though unless you're a gaymer I can't think of a reason to ever go above 60.
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>>64281855
You'd have to be blind to not prefer higher refresh rates. Liquid smooth.
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>>64301018

Flight sims at 144Hz are super nice, too.
Basically anything where stuff moves fast is infinitely better at 144 as opposed to 60, really.
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>>64301051
>Flight sims at 144Hz are super nice
Most of the ones I've played run like hot ass on a 980 and I'm lucky to even get 60 unless I turn everything down.
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>>64301073

I play heavily modded IL-2 1946, IL-2 CLoD and IL-2 BoS and they all give me stable 144 FPS on a 1070 at the highest settings.
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>>64281855
I don't know duder, I went from a 60Hz monitor to a 120Hz TV as my main display and it's like night and day. All those trolls that claim you can't see more than 60fps are retarded, because there's a definite and noticeable difference between 60Hz and 120Hz, and I see it every day because I've got the 60Hz display in portrait mode next to the 120Hz display and I use the 60Hz just for code and reading because it's really unpleasant to even watch videos on the 60Hz display after the 120Hz display.

That said, I've never used 144Hz. It's entirely possible that once you get above 120Hz the difference becomes less and less noticable until you can't see a difference at all, so maybe 144Hz is a meme and waste of money, but I'd still recommend it if you're coming from anything under 120Hz if the price is decent.
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>>64301105
>IL2
shit I should get back into that. Does hyperlobby still exist or did everyone bailout into war thunder?
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Ignorance is bliss. I have a 1070 and went with 1080 144hz, wish I had just done 1440p 60hz.
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>>64301120
>it's really unpleasant to even watch videos on the 60Hz display after the 120Hz display

Most videos aren't even 60 FPS, mang, 100+ FPS video content is basically nonexistent.
I'm all for high refresh rates, but that's pure placebo you're talking about here.

>>64301124
>hyperlobby

Dunno, I still suck too bad to even consider online play.
Then again, maybe actual human beings make mistakes sometimes, unlike the pinpoint accuracy hellspawn that are the AI pilots in CLoD...
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>>64301018
>Though unless you're a gaymer I can't think of a reason to ever go above 60.
It's good for movie watchers too since you can play 24fps content without judder. Although you can get the same results overclocking your 60Hz monitor to 72hz, if you can.
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>>64301188
>I still suck too bad to even consider online play.
Played when I was litterally 12 years old using a an ancient gameport joystick and only got killed most of the time, you'll do fine if its still populated.

>>64301204
Didn't know that was even a thing. I just use svp to interpolate everything to 120.
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>>64283047
>he uses smooth scrolling
>literally wants input lag and inconsistent movement speed

t. 144hz not smooth scrolling
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>>64281855
It's really only significant when you're gaming if your machine is good enough to hit really large framerates.
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>>64300598
ASUS monitors have terrible QC.
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what's a good 1080 144hz display to buy anyways?

was looking at zowie but i'm unsure




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