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/mkg/ - Keycap Shitstorm Edition
>Mech enthusiast starter edition
https://imgur.com/a/G6rOk
>Buyer's template:
http://pastebin.com/33S1gVkG
>Where to Buy:
http://pastebin.com/8Yku80VL
>FAQs:
http://pastebin.com/M5w7QtKp
>Use the buyer's template
http://pastebin.com/33S1gVkG
>Group Buys
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nl3D0wIqf3tU43bu0mc0LSkxeh2CxGrchr_OViEjZ4c/htmlview
https://www.massdrop.com/
>Keyboard wiki
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Main_Page
>Keyset wiki
http://keypuller.com (https://web.archive.org/web/20161101152119/http://keypuller.com/)

Last thread >>65555566
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first for big keyboards
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Is there a site/infograph that shows the layouts and alternate names of all the various 30/40/65/70/95% size boards?
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>>65570441
yes it's called reddit
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>>65570309
are those from the HUB kikstarter? looks pretty real render if you ask me

checked them this past days and their kikstarter increased close to 1k per day meaning that they wont even reach 200k i don't know what was that guy thinking... maybe the last days it gets hyped again. If that guy really wants to produce the keycaps by him self and needs all that money then we can say that its a failed kikstarter
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>>65570456
The !Pulse render was posted on reddit which got a few people buttblasted, especially on Geekhack. I haven't joined the Kickstarter yet, but I really want this thing to work out. Cheap, spherical Cherry profile sounds great.
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>>65570511
link please. my DNS is having trouble with geekhack links
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I think I might be a buypig
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>>65570575
It's not okay anon I spent 350 bucks on this
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>>65570537
Use Google m8.
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>>65570585
yikes
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>>65570309
>budget96 gb soon with $30 pcb
>very likely to be $90 if not $80 during GB
Probably the only GB I have been interested in a while. Shame the case will be floating keycaps. I'll probably just use the shipped case as a template for a non-floating case.
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Where should I start if I want to build my own keyboard?
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>>65571033
well first you have to design your layout. there was a website in the last thread that did that. I think it was called keyboard editor or something like that
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>>65570511
>>65570537
>>65570743
>abs keycaps
Into the trash it goes
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>>65571033
you'll need a logo first
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>Update on the springs: The Japanese material springs were technically perfect, within spec, but too quiet! They lacked the full volume Model F resonance after a pressed key is released. The factory is sourcing the same spring material from the material analysis report but from other factories (same spring factory though). Not all materials of the same grade are exactly the same or sound the same as I’ve learned. I’ve gone through about 20 unique spring production runs over the span of this project so far. We are getting there! A new run of spring samples should be ready by month end or early next month.


Model-F keyboard anon is so autistic about this shit. I love it.
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>>65571033
Check the sticky threads on geekhack and deskthority under the making stuff together & workshop subforums respectively.
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>>65570901
I am unaware of this group buy. Link?
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>>65571181
It's still in IC phase. Shouldn't be more than a couple weeks before the GB is up:
geekhack org/index.php?topic=93616.0
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>>65570585
I wish he had added the solenoid/buzzer like in the originals, but I guess it's better then nothing
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>>65570511
HUB kickstarter didn't appeal me too much, even kbdfan's EPUB looks better to me, and even more spherical
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>>65570309
I don't hate browns and you can't make me
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tenkeyless boards boggle my mind! if I ever have to type series of numbers, the numpad is immeasurably faster. Why would you forsake that?
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>>65571514
Because it's in a ridiculously moronic location for anyone who uses a right-handed mouse (ie: fucking everyone). If you really need one for counting beans you can just buy a separate numpad.
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>>65571514
numpads are better position on the left, but good luck finding decent keyboards for a reasonable price like that. it's much less of a headache to just buy a TKL and a separate numpad then to spend 300 bucks on a custom one
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>>65571533
>>65571540
That's true, it would be better on the left. It seems like it would take a fair bit of relearning to get familiar with left handed numpad usage, but I'll consider it next time I get a board. I don't count beans commonly, but even if I use it 1% of the time a numpad feels worthwhile
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>>65571594
not really, but I also do a lot of bioinformatics
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>>65571514
Because I don't need to type numbers a lot and if I ever need to, I can get a separate number pad to set on the left so it doesn't use up mouse space.
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How much should one spend on their first mechanical keyboard?
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>>65571834
$500-$1000
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>>65571594
It's really easy to use the numeric keyboard with the left hand. I got up to speed in no time and found it better to press the enter key with the thumb that the pinky.
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I noticed today my local Petco uses Cherry POS keyboards. Should I ask if I can buy a broken one off of them and salvage it?
Anyone have any idea what kind of switches they have? The board itself looks pretty old.
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>>65571953
Cherry also makes rubber dome POS keyboards. Instead of buying one from them just get one from a surplus store on ebay for 30 bucks. But they aren’t all that great and chink keyboards can be found for around the same price
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What's /mkg/s impression of the E-Element Z-88 board as a starter? I like 100% boards and I don't want to spend $100 on a board I'm not sure if I'll like or not
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B073QPDZHQ/ref=mp_s_a_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1523938939&sr=8-15&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_FMwebp_QL65&keywords=cherry+mx+clear+keyboard
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>>65572079
>Outemu Brown
No. Fuck that shit, it's literal garbage.
Here's a Ducky for around that price.
https://www.amazon.com/Ducky-One-Rainbow-Clear-Cherry/dp/B07531HWGL/ref=sr_1_10?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1523939470&sr=1-10&keywords=cherry+mx+clear+keyboard
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>>65572125
>around that price
Goddamnit anon, that's double the fucking price
Did you even read my post or just click the link?
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>>65572137
I think he saw you write $100 and went from there.
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>>65572149
Probably
Are the Outemu Brown switches really that bad?
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>>65572137
I don't know what you expect, you post a shitty chink Brown keyboard while searching for Cherry Clear boards?

If you don't want your shit to break in two months and your keycaps to shine after two days of use by your greasy fat sausages, get the Ducky. They make quality starter keyboards .

$100 isn't that much, poorfag.
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>>65572162
$100 is a bit much to figure out if I like a fucking keyboard or not you autist
>worrying about keycaps
What are replacements
>calling the product shitty without explaining himself
Seriously?
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>>65572158
Outemu are notably the worst of cherry clones, and browns are especially the worst switch to get.
Only gatreon browns are slightly acceptable
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>>65572079
Go test some, figure out what you like and don't buy cheap out
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>>65572178
Why is that though? What makes them subjectively shit? Is it not tacticle enough? To they stop functioning? What is so bad about them?
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>>65571198
>budget96
>thought it was a joke on a cheap 96 layout keyboard
>mfw it is actually called budget96
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>>65572181
shit like WASD and Vortex and DAS are out of my budget though
Is there a lower priced keyboard that mkg does recommend?
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>>65572176
>what are replacements
What fucking logic is "replacing ABS shit every 2 months" to "maybe having to replace doubleshot PBT every two years when you get tired of looking at the design"?

The product is obviously shitty because its a noname chink brand using cheap chink clone switches. You can bet it uses propietary software to control the macros and RGB lights, so forget about reprogramming anything and expect chink spyware installed.

Questionable if any replacement keycaps will even fit. But those keycaps look like mad shit, awful font.
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>>65571594
>>65571660
>>65571540
I mostly type words not numbers... why do you think it will be better on the left. This is coming from a programmer.
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>>65572200
rantopad mxx, james donkey, magicforce.

We don't have a beginner's guide cause if we did the price of these keyboards would skyrocket.
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>>65572225
Thanks anon, at least you helped
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>>65572162
Except duckies are definitely overpriced at 100+. You can get a coolermaster with pbt keycaps at that price.
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>>65572237
youre wrong
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>>65572079
Starter boards are a dumb concept. Why spend $49 on a piece of crap and then $100+ on something you actually like when you can just spend ~$100 and be done with it? It'll actually be resellable too if you decide you hate it.
>>65572237
>pad-printed PBT
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>>65572225
What's your opinion on the magicforce 108?
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>>65572243
explain,
they are not special. They use cheap plastic for their cases like all the other brands. The other brands all offer lighting. Only thing going for them is their brand.
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>>65570309
Has anyone tried out one of those cheap as fuck keycap sets from ebay like this one?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/OEM-profile-PBT-keycap-blank-side-top-printed-CMYW-24keys-9keys/253362871381?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D50998%26meid%3D3cacec05b99b43e2b7ed81b1bc187e5e%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D152982786292%26itm%3D253362871381&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1

Importing stuff here is a pain in the ass, so these would come in handy.
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>>65572256
>compared to abs keycaps
Not really much of a competition there.

Also the coolermaster pbt is like 75 usd. You can literally buy keycaps and make a keyboard better than a ducky default at ducky price.
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Reminder that the Model M is a membrane keyboard and anyone who says membrane keyboards are shit are dumbass 12 year olds who want to act cool after reading about mech keyboards for 5 mins
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>>65572272
It is alright. I am not a fan of floating keys, but at 61 usd... I would drink the koolaid if I had to choose my beginner board.

Make sure it says gateron/cherry on the description depending on what you want.
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>>65572308
Thanks for you help anon
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I know I'm a pleb but I like my board. got it on sale for $60. make fun of me if I deserve it
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>>65572321
>buying a backwards keyboard
lmaoing at your life
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>>65572256
>$100+
>On a starter board
That logic is retarded anon. There are plenty of good keyboards that are worth less than 100 and those keyboards are good enough to get a noob's feet wet.

He can spend 100+ when he actually likes his beginner board and wants a quality one.

Which, btw, is not a ducky. An aluminum case keeb is much better.
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>>65572321
>100% keyboard
>Authentic Cherry MX blues
>detachable cable
>60 usd
I don't think you did too bad.
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>>65572285
seller is kbdfans, a chink company who, actually, has good reasonable prices for quality products.

Except, I wouldn't prefer oem keycaps. Cherry profile keycaps have been prefered by many for a better typing experience.
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Anyone have a pok3r? How do you like it?
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>>65572381
Do you know of a cheap alternative to the Vortex Backlit Doubleshot keycap set?

Link https://www.ebay.com/itm/iKBC-x-Vortex-Backlit-Double-Shot-PBT-Mechanical-Keyboard-Keycap-Set-White/152982786292?hash=item239e7c10f4:g:L1AAAOSwLLZa0Vn0

If I were to import it this shit would cost almost as much as my keyboard.
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>>65572431
got an anne pro which is pretty much the non-floating + bt version of it. The layout is a pain in the ass. I use it with a macropad which has arrow keys and numbers.

>>65572434
can you use aliexpress or is ebay your only option?
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>>65572460
Aliexpress also works, yeah
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>>65572478
>https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product//1806079_32680673029.html

Well there is this, but I don't really like backlit keycaps so I can't comment on it personally.
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What's a good board to build on top of, if I wanted to go 40%?
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>>65572633
Planck
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What's the best switch for typing that is MX compatible and available in a version for PCB mounting?
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>>65573086
Silent black
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>>65573086
SMK second generation
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>still waiting for my race 3 ordered from the UK to DE
>it's been three weeks now
There's literally no chance I won't be completely underwhelmed by it after that waiting period
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>>65573160
But those aren't made anymore, right?
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Hopped on the Tokyo60 drop for my first mechanical keyboard. Got all of my faggoty Reddit buypig shit: braided cable, Kailh box blacks, etc.

Now I’m just split on a keycap profiles - full sculpt SA or GMK? Not sure if SA will be too tall or not but I like the way they look. Does /g/ have a preference?
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>>65570309
If I wasn't completely done with DSA, I'd be mighty tempted by these.
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>>65573238
Personally I think SA looks bad on 60% boards.
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>>65573238
I like prefer SA out of all the profiles I tried, but most people tend to like cherry profile best. That'll likely change once I get those dev/tty caps in though.
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>>65573286
I agree completely.
I like the feel of SA, but it looks pretty trash on a majority of boards.
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you guys release in afue years you will all figure out all your expensive custom keyboards lag 30+ms and will want to upgrade to newer models that use new controller chips that run at 0.2ms or lower.

I picked up a 0.2ms keyboard for 30$ from china a year ago...

also the marketing saying keyboards have 1ms polling rate isn't true lag its the controller chip inside the keyboard that lags for instance all cherry based keyboards use a controller chip from the 80s that lags 30ms razers lag 15ms or some thing and most of these niche keyboards you guys get probably lag even worse 40-50ms or worse.
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>>65573226
Yes, and?
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>>65573373
Well, I need to be able to acquire the switches for a decent prize. And also, according to the Deskthority wiki, they're all plate mount even though they have been used for PCB mounting, so they're gonna be a pain in the ass to solder by hand.
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>>65573379
They have mounting pins, so it shouldn't be a problem
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>Budget
$120
>Location (continent at least)
Asia
>Preferred switch type
mx red or clear
>Layout
ansi
>Form factor
tkl
>Backlight
yes.
>Previous/current keyboards
membrane
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Someone post the outdated switch guide image
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>>65573740
All you need to know is buy recent Kailhs and nothing else
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what do I do to fix one of my keys not responding as much anymore? take apart the whole thing and resolder?
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>>65573778
How one would now if the switches are recent or not?
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What solder should I use? I'm gonna assemble my first mech but I don't know which one to get.
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>>65573778
why those?
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>>65574038
their box switches are good and fairly priced. the clickies sound way better than blues and the linears and pretty smooth. and the box stems help reduce wobble
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>>65571843
where do I find >1000$ mks ? all the ones available in my country are <200 :(
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>>65572176
buy an rk61 on aliexpress, there's one for like 46 bucks using longhua

drevo makes pretty good boards
magicforce makes alright boards
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>>65574082
customs man
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>>65570456
>>65573238
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Reminder that making fun of 40% boards is now a literal bannable offense
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>>65572307
>Reminder that the Model M is a membrane keyboard
What did he mean by this?
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With those programmable 40% boards, are the layers like shift key, you hold and press the other key to get the layer version of the key; or is it like caps/num lock and toggles the layer mode?
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>>65573238
What's with these recent meme board missing keys on the bottom row? It's not saving any space.
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>>65574182
Model M keyboards have a buckling spring mechanism to actuate the keypress, but the hammer is making contact with a rubber-dome-style membrane. This is why they have 2kro
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>>65572291
Except at that point duckies are cheaper.
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>>65574234
You can have both
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>>65574234
>>65575106
Can you tell me more about that? Seems perfect to me because I often have to switch keyboard layouts and on Windows it sucks
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>>65575239
Depends on the firmware you’re using
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Split keyboards look very interesting to use but I'm not sure if they're worth the price. What are you experiences with them /g/?
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>>65570585
Damn, that's some good shit though. Do you actually have it yet?

>>65571158
I wish I had the budget for yet another $350 board, because I fully support that guy's vision.
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>>65570309
man i always love these threads, they make my day
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>>65575550
just get a cheap knockoff from taobao that way you aren't $300 bucks in the hole
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>>65575571
must be a pretty boring day
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>>65574777
Trips of truth. I'm using a model M, and have indeed had the membrane fuck up on me, which meant shelling out $50 to unicomp. Not fun, but I paid it anyway like a bitch
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>>65574328
It’s a HHKB based keyboard. Nothing to do with space saving, moreso a preference in layout.

I tried a friends HHKB and loved it, saw this pictured Viper and wanted something similar - went with the silver case for the Tokyo60.
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Anyone with ortholinear keyboards?

What layout do you use? I'm used to Colemak, but it's not very comfortable on my Plank for some reason.

I'm thinking about Workman, but not sure whether there's anything better.

I do prefer the way it utilizes vertical movement instead of lateral, but I'm definitely not a fan of pressing consecutive buttons with the same key.

It there something tailored mostly to the ortholinear boards?
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>>65575609
I dread the day my SSK membrane shits its self since replacements have to be custom made, but hopefully I can get in on round 2 of
https://deskthority.net/group-buys-f50/fssk-pcbs-t13042.html#p290276
or for the drop in kit to come back again
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>>65575637
Unfortunately I’ll probably never get my hands on this keyset without forking over a pretty penny for Honeywell Round 5 on mechmarket - trying to figure out how I can cobble something similar together.
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>>65575598
What's that tkl
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someone give me a good reason to not build a symbolics space cadet keyboard
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>>65575696
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_frequency

just build your own layout based on letter frequency and put them in what ever position you think is more comfy
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>>65575978
That's one possibility.

Is there some way to ensure 50/50 hand usage?
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>>65575922
There is none.
I wish I could have the keycaps from the original one. I'd even change my switches for that.
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What switches are tactile and silent? I'm using MX silent reds right now and while I like the noise they produce, I don't like the linear travel (coming from outemu browns).
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>>65576056
No, it's impossible
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>>65576056
no, even the link i provided could be deceiving, every person inside and environment uses a certain group of words more often than others so maybe it could end up shifting one or two letters from the frequency graph
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What is the go-to switch tester? I'm about to buy a unicomp but I figure since I've never tried any mechanical switches besides buckling spring, I should try cherry blues and greens, etc before going straight for the unicomp. Are there any that include a sample buckling spring for comparison?
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>>65574162
oh nice you fixed it thanks
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>>65571514
I feel like I'm the only one who types faster on the regular number keys and not the numpad.
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>>65573353
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So I'm pretty new to mech and especially buying keycaps but do i really need to buy alphas numbpad and modifiers separately for this which would turn out to be 100+ us. And they are just abs? Or am I missing something.
https://kono.store/products/sa-troubled-minds-keycap-set?variant=8115933806692
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>>65576472
Yes you need to buy them separately, popular reddit meme caps go for those prices.
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>>65576168
Matias QC are pretty nice, but have issues with aftermarket keycap compatibility
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>>65576397
that's because you don't know how to use a numpad, not because the number row is better than the numpad
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>>65576168
https://zealpc.net/products/zilents
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I'm annoyed, I used to be a fast Typer, but between trying to regress/learn perfect touch typing by the book, and trying colemak, my speed has dropped to 70wpm. I should have just left my typing style as is. It was 90% orthodox anyway, just a few of the middle column and outer keys that were different.
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>>65576168
I like my Matias QC's pretty much.
Just wish they were heavier.
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>>65575696
What is that green thing
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>>65576521
That's wack as fuck. I'd rather buy a new board with that money.
Anyone know of some reasonably priced purple caps? Second color doesn't have to be green.
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>>65570585
Only $350? Did you not get keycaps?
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>>65576753
https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20180417065139&SearchText=pbt+purple
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are there any keycaps where only the top part is clear/frosted with unprinted letters? I like blank keycaps but having led in the switches seems like a waste, but fully clear keycaps seem tacky.
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Alright guys I need an actual new keyboard. My usb is broken, only works when I tilt it at an angle. It has been working for 3 months since the usb problem but now it turns off randomly when I play and it's fucking annoying. I had this keyboard for 4 years and I have to say it was fairly good, it came from a keyboard and mouse gaming bundle. Any suggestions for something under or around 50 USD? I mainly just play FPS and 2 Moba games.
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>>65576810
Fuck this might've been the wrong thread. Please don't yell at me.
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>>65576810
buy a ducky one with mx silver switches, tell me if they suck balls or not
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>>65576373
No, but novelkeys has some nice testers
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>>65577019
>under or around 50 usd
>ducky one
kek, he can't afford something overpriced as a ducky one.

>mx silver switches
They are shit, really scratchy. It felt like i was typing on sand.

>>65576810
well wtf you want? Tactile, Clicky, Linear?
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>>65576788
Aliexpress has some
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>>65576373
I would say buy some testers at novel keys and get one of those ebay single buckling spring tester.
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>>65574162
>>65574167
What happened in the last thread. Like 50 posts were deleted... I only heard it had something to do with 40% keyboards.
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>>65572633
none.

That or a 40% + macropad
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>>65571853
>found it better to press the enter key with the thumb that the pinky.
the absolute state of pinklets
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>>65577098
Just looked up what type of keyboard mine was, appearantly it was tactile but i'm looking for something much similar and quieter.
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>>65577264
For 50 usd, you are not giving much room to work here.

Best you can get is a gateron brown board. Magicforce, james donkey, or rantopad mxx is your best bet.

I suggest getting rubber dampners or lube is your best bet if you want it quieter.
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>>65577098
Since when were ducky keyboards overpriced?
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>>65576721
It's a pen.
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>>65577306
DIY can get you around that price mark if you build a sandwich case with no pcb and hand wired matrix, your local model shop should have a laser cuter and some sheets of whatever material you want and 30$ dollars gets enuf money to buy cheap switches on aliexpress and some keycaps
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>>65577310
Ever since there has been other chinks making good shit.

Ducky goes for 100 usd around...Except they are in all plastic abs with abs keycaps. That is retarded

They offer nothing special compared to the gamer brands out there, especially in the lighting department, only thing going for it, is its brand.

>>65572237
>>65572335
>>65572278
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>>65577362
I mean yeah definately. keeb and kbd fans offer nice diy kits, but this guy is a gaymer and just found out what switches he uses... I doubt he can put one together at this point.
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Any suggestion for the EU? There is only overpriced gayming stuff in Amazon, let alone keycaps.
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>>65577400
>>65576810
ok yall niggas need to read the fucking buyer's template sticky b4 I blow a gasket.
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>>65577104
got a link? I tried some general searches but found nothing I wanted.
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>>65577306
Thanks for the suggestion
>>65577362
>>65577382
Yeah i'm too lazy honestly and I have no knowledge of keyboards what so ever, would rather get a pre built.
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>>65577418
I've read it twice actually, but nothing of that is available here.
OK, the new model F is, but I'd rather buy a plane ticket to Shenzen and buy stuff onsite for that price.
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>>65577367
on https://mechanicalkeyboards.com it says that their keycaps are PBT
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>>65577485
and it does... that is surprising. I bought a ducky shine 4 and it came with abs keycaps that wore off...

I take it back
If it is around 100 usd and has pbt keycaps it wouldn't be a bad choice, but honestly getting a cheap magicforce or james donkey and switching out the keycaps would still not get you over 100 usd.

I think it is just ridiculous that someone who has no experience with keyboards needs to be 100 usd in the hole if they want to find if that hobby is for them.
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>>65577547
i wouldn't recommend Ducky if itd not for their keycaps and classic design, its like Rolex not because they are expensive for rich faggs but for the fact that they don't change that much their design every year. Ducky has very cool keycaps the One 2 Skyline is very likeable
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>>65577618
not gonna lie, that skyline keycap is nice. Would buy it seperately if it wasn't oem profile.
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>>65577418
>yall
Howdy partner, YEEHAW
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what should a first mechanical keyboard be?
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Tier list
Below shit tier
>romer g
Shit tier but at least it isnt romer g
>cherry mx brown
Acceptable tier
>literally anything else
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>>65577730
mechanical
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>>65577730
a cheap 50-60 usd board with authentic cherry mx switches or a gateron switches.

We don't list brand names on the sticky cause this causes inflation, but ducky, james donkey, rantopad, magicforce, or anything that chinks sell that are gateron or cherrys are good options.

Kinda divided on wheter or not a noobie should have the option to pbt keycaps to begin with or not.

Beginner Switches
>Clicky - Cherry mx blues
>Tactile - Gateron Blues or Cherry Clears
>Linear - Gateron Blacks, Reds, or Whites

>>65577738
Didn't some guy have a long list he was going to infographic soon? I agree with most of what he said.
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>>65577783
>>Tactile - Gateron Blues or Cherry Clears
Shit I meant Gateron Browns
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>>65577783
https://www.drevo.net/product/keyboard/gramr
i was looking into this. doesnt say what switches it uses.
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>>65577870
It's cherry mx, does it matter as long as it isn't chinkshit?
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>>65577367
If you buy that cooler master you have to spend an extra 30-40 bucks for a nice double shot PBT set, then an extra 25 for a programmable controller since Ducky keyboards are also programmable. At that point duckies are cheaper
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>Budget
Uh let's say 100-150 american buckaroos / ~100€, more if you can convince me I absolutely need it
>Location (continent at least)
Switzerland (many times no amazon for me, boiz)
>Preferred switch type
Uh, Brown or Red are fine with me, I'm tired of the loud blue meme
>Layout
preferrably ISO layout, although I'll also accept ANSI. Keycap lettering I don't care about.
>Form factor
100%
>Backlight
Would be nice, but I prefer no backlight to those chink-rgb-all-over-you-without-any-option-to-shut-it-off-or-have-it-one-color shits
>Previous/current keyboards
I had a Logitech.. G710+ in which a shitton of keycaps broke off (actually, if you can get me a link to a cheap, good set of ISO keycaps that would fit it, I'll bite) because le shitty thin walls, now I'm using a Razer Blackwidow ultimate (the version with the original MX Blues) I bought in.. 2013 or something? When the only non-gayman mech keyboards one could easily buy were shitfuckingexpensive.

I'd really enjoy having either some macro keys or at least being able to record macros to keys on the keyboard. FN-Switch with media controls or dedicated media keys would also be nice, although all of this isn't necessary.
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>>65577955
> 30-40 bucks for a nice double shot PBT
They are already PBT. Pad Printed, but still won't shine.
>extra 25 for a programmable controller
Coming from a guy who had a hasu one... there is no point. It is a 108 keyboard, wtf are you going to change?

Also it is the upper ducky shine models that have the programmability... that is like 159 usd I think for a new ducky shine.
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>>65577986
Is aliexpress or glorious pc gaming website as a avaliable option for you?
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>>65577400
try any of these places
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>>65578018
All mid range ducky keyboards are programmable and come with double shot PBT keycaps, even the $80 ones. Also pad printed keycaps will wear off over time, but double shots never will
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>>65577870
Drevo uses outemu switches, tho I heard they now use their own drevo switches
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>>65577986
Can you buy from Germany? Case king is a bit overpriced, but they have a nice selection of cooler master and ducky keyboards
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>>65578099
https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/gmmk-full-brown-switch

Get this and some keycaps. Looking at your switch type, it seems you have no idea what you like yet.

This keyboard is hotswappable which means you don't have to solder shit.

If you don't like a switch, literally go to aliexpress and buy a pack of them. Switch them out as you please.

>>65578099
I am going to need proof for that one. Do you mean macros or lighting programmability?

>Also pad printed keycaps will wear off over time, but double shots never will
The main concern is shine which will literally feel terrible. Even if it is pad printed and wears off, it still retains its texture. Also these ones will take awhile to wear off. Pad printed is still going to beat abs shine in the long run.

>>65577870
Some chink brand, wouldn't recommend it. General rule of thumb is, if they don't list the brand of the switch, they are trying to hide how shitty it is.
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>>65577986
https://www.candykeys.com/product/fc900r-pd-black-mx-brown/
Within EU, otherwise:
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=2850
>wooden grain texture frame
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>>65578169
>>65577400

oh and you can still disable the lights and there is still a light indicator for caps and shit.
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>>65578169
>Do you mean macros or lighting programmability?
both
https://www.alternate.nl/Ducky/One-DKON1687-gaming-toetsenbord/html/product/1345707?lk=22659
I'm sure you can get it for cheaper in your first world country.
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>>65578146
Why are outemu switches considered bad? From the reviews I've seen people don't share that opinion
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>>65578231
inconsistent feel across switches, plus they're louder and higher pitches then normal cherry switches
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>>65578221
>Cherry MX Blue switches: Tactile switch, met hoge weerstand (50g).
>Mx Blue
>50g
>Tactile
Not
>45g
>Clicky


...uh... I would be skeptical of this site. I looked at reviews and nobody seems to mention it besides lighting or macros.

Isn't this site German? How the heck did they get something from their own country wrong...
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>>65578169
>Starter board
>$110
Yeah fuck that, you want a cheap modular starter board get the tecware phantom, shits like $50 on Amazon
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>>65578166
I can, but everything that's not from amazon that's over 65 CHF in value (including shipping) gets 7% tax + 15CHF 'taxation fees' slapped onto it
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>>65578231
non-consistent although some people like the higher force and sound better. To me.. it sounds way more plasticy.

>>65578263
>tecware phantom
>outemu hotswaps
Those or only outemu compatible. You need to literally cut the pins off of other mx switches to get them to work on that board.

GMMK is a clone of the kalih hotswaps and they are pretty good.


Also you can get the no switches and no keycaps version for 60 usd, but I think this guy is pretty new to this considering his previous keyboards were gamer boards.
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>>65578043
I have no idea what you mean by glorious pc gaming website, but yeah, I buy shit from chinkexpress all the time.
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>>65578259
blues are 50g actuation tho. Maybe it's a problem with translate, but the keyboard is definitely programmable since you can replace the key codes of the number row into those of a number pad and get alt codes even though it's a TKL. or you can just get a full size one for the same price
https://www.alternate.nl/Ducky/One-DKON1608-gaming-toetsenbord/html/product/1345614?lk=22663
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>>65578315
Ok, I see what you're saying, but why not start off on shitty Chinese switches? They're better than memebrane/rubber domes anyways and when you're ready to get better switches like MX, then go ahead
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>>65578289
>>65578317
dude at that point go to /r/mechmarket and buy something you want and ask the seller to lie about the price to get through customs.

GMMK, Ducky are cheap on /r/market as well.
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>>65578407
>shitty Chinese switches
Problem is they are so shitty they can literally make people hate mech keyboards and never touch them again.

Not to mention the failure rate on those chink switches on kalih used to be like 30+% with a year or something.

Thank god kalih got better.
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>>65578440
Ok, but are the outemus that bad? I hear you on the inconsistent feel, but what about the failure rate? Are they as bad as the kalih?
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What are some actually good clicky switches?
MX Blues are worse than Hitler.
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>>65578289
>>65578409
guy selling a gmmk for 50 euros
>https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/8aachg/eues_h_the_glorious_gmmk_cm_storm_quickfire_w/

Guy has a bunch of keyboards and keycaps
>https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/895kc0/eufr_h_clueboard_leopold_fc660m750r_keyboards/

Ducky Shine 4. Browns
>https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/863fej/euuk_h_hhkb_pro_type_2_ducky_shine_4_w_paypal/


>>65578518
well kalih used to be the worst, but apparently they improved. Outemus have reports of failing on magicforces time to time, but I don't know how often it is.
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>>65578538
MX Blues are the best beginner's switch for clicky...

There are box navy, buckling spring (which is my favorite, fucking love that ping sound), pale blues, and maybe speed copper...
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>>65578538
Capacitive buckling springs and clicky alps (blue, white, amber)
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>>65578562
Speed golds are the only good light clicky. Bronzes are just linear switches with a clickbar.
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>>65578575
... you can't but you can't buy those new anymore. maybe soon for the capacitive buckling springs.

He is probably looking for a switch you can actually find new and not off an auction site.
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>>65578575
>Capacitive buckling springs
But you have to buy the whole keyboard for them, I only want the switches.
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>>65578604
I actually don't like any of the speed switches. Kalih speed pink is somewhat tolerable because of the clickbar.

Also what is wrong with a clickbar?
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>>65578541
I'd take my chances with the Outemus, at least I'm going in knowing they're not the best, and as long as the board is modular and I can replace a switch if it's fucked, then I don't think it's that bad for a starter board
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>>65578611
>you can't but you can't
>>65578618
>asks for good clicky switches
>tell him some good clicky switches
>expects me to know he only wants the switches even though he didn't mention it
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>>65578628
I was more complaining about bronzes lacking tactility than having a clickbar.
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>>65578636
I mean, if you really want to then get it.

But what I look for in a starter board is something that is considered somewhat good in the community but cheap.

I started with a magicforce gateron and I still have it around. I modified it and changed the switches because it was still built decently.

You buy your cheap chink outemu one and I promise you, you will not know what to do with it when you upgrade. Can't sell it because noone wants outemu. Can't change the switches since outemu switches are incompatible with the others. So the only thing you can do is sell it away.
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>>65578665
> can't buy those new anymore
That is what I meant...

Also you are literally making me want to kms over that emoji. How many fucking variations of that emoji do you have?

>>65578711
>So the only thing you can do is sell it away.
I meant throw it away... I need to get off this site.
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>>65576390
Don't thank me, thank the anon that got a 3 day ban for fixing it for me.
>>65577126
Mods decided that posting the same pictures of a filco board with guns next to it is ok but posting a picture making fun of 40% users every second or third thread is crossing the line. The mod must be a 40% user or something
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>>65577400
Wrong, I got a Ducky One2 off Amazon not two weeks ago
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>>65578768
how does that filco break the rules?
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>>65578541
>>65578409
Neat, didn't even think about reddit market boards. You have my mountain jewy thanks.
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>>65578746
>you are literally making me want to kms
do it
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>>65578823
It doesn't, but it's the exact same amount of "spamming" that posting
>>65574162
is, yet only one gets you a 3 day ban
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>>65578843
Key Management Service?
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>>65578823
Some faggot janny also got BTFO last thread when someone claimed that the Filco guy sometimes posts multiple pictures of the same board in one thread, the janny denied this and was linked two filco gun posts from the same /mkg/ thread. All posts relating to this were swiftly deleted
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>>65578863
>Replies that to me even though I'm quoting someone else
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>>65578867
kek is that what you believe spamming is. just two different pictures
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>>65578867
that's not spamming tho
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>>65578904
>>65578913
That's my point you retard, it's not spamming and neither is
>>65574162
but the mod has awful double standards
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>>65578904
>>65578913
I just took a look at the archive. That guy who got banned for apparently posting a 40% keyboard posted 2 different pictures yet got banned for spamming... wtf? He even posted proff of his ban.

What exactly is 4chan's definition of spamming cause I thought it literally meant using the 2 same images. The guy that got banned had 2 different images...
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>>65578955
>>65578935
No one cares
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>>65578562
>beginner's switch
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
>Hey, it's okay to use shit switches if it's your first mechanical keyboard bro, no worry ;^)
MX switches are just terrible overall, why are they so common anyway?
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>>65578955
It wasn't even like he was posting them for no reason. I posted the original image I had made with the das keyboard in place of the IBM one, this annoyed him as DAS boards aren't that good, so he posted his own version with a decent TKL. I said that I'd prefer if he put a full sized in the pic instead and he did and posted it. Literally nothing wrong with that.
>>65578967
>t. 40% user
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>>65578973
>why are they so common anyway?
They're cheap
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>>65578986
>t.drama whore
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>>65579019
>pointing out shitty moderation is being a drama whore
Ok.
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>>65578967
I kinda do. Shits a bit fucked... What did that guy do wrong? Can we legit be banned for posting variations of a picture now?

>>65578989
Nah they are actually quite expensive compared to the chink ones.

>>65578973
>What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
It means that in the price range, it is the best clicky to get. I would recommend buckling springs, but that 2kro kills my opinion on that. Also would recommend box switches, but they just made keyboards with them in them and they are pretty expensive. Otherwise you would need to solder or hotswap and that is not something a noobie wants to be fucked with

>MX switches are just terrible overall, why are they so common anyway?
Cause when alps blew up and died they were literally the only one with mechanical switches. They got complacent and all of a sudden when the patent ran out, chinks found out ways to make them cheaper and better.
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>>65579043
just don't insult the moderator's favourite style of keyboard dude :^)
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>>65579035
>Thinks bitching about moderation in a keyboard general will fix anything
Ok.
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> No keypads on 90% of mechanicals posted

It's like you don't even do work with your mechanical memeboards.
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>>65579090
filco anon... if you are scared of getting banned then don't. He hasn't banned you yet, he won't ban you now.
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>>65579090
>dude just ignore it lmao there's nothing you can do
Dumb faggot
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>>65579103
Well to be fair, alot of demographic here are gaymers.
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>>65579126
>>65579141
samefag
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soyjacks have always been a bannable offense, though my ban was for quality of posts and not spamming
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>>65579103
Excel isn't real work.
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>>65579113
does no one remember when filco poster used to get banned all the time?
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>>65579153

actually I'm >>65578863
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Anyone have any idea how long it might take for a keyboard on mechanicalkeyboards.com to come back in stock? It's a Ducky keyboard.
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>>65579103
even IBM realized numpads were useless for anyone who wasn't a secretary and made their admin keyboards either TKLs or 60%
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>>65570511
Who got upset and why? Because he "copied" the colors?
I live for this kind of shit, please sauce
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>>65579227
good
>>65579218
½ ¼ I found altcodes useful for commenting shit.
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>>65579253
did you preorder? ducky keyboards tend to sell fast cause they're a good value, but they have a page that gives you a general time line of when things are coming
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/incoming.php
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>>65579261
... dude wut. Back then people used to code in machine language using O2 and i1. I think a numpad might be useful there.
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>>65579282
you don't need a numpad to get alt codes. maybe if you got a cheapo keyboard you'd have problems
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>>65579307
I just prefer numpad to typing in altcodes. I remember by position rather than the actual number these days.
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>>65579288
No I didn't pre-order. I was going to buy it in a few days when I got the money, but now it's literally the only one out of stock. All the other switches are in-stock except for brown.
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>>65579288
>>65579340
Also it's not even on that list. Does that mean I'm fucked?
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>>65579340
>wanting browns to begin with
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>>65579202
? Since when? How is /pol/ not all gone then?
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>>65579356
he never wanted them, he just said that is whats left.
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>>65579153
Fuck off
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>>65579340
>All the other switches are in-stock except for brown.
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>>65579356
What switch is better than brown?

>>65579376
No, that's the only one that is out of stock. Every other switch is in stock, but brown is the only one I want.
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>>65579402
Dude why would you want browns
>>65579389
ok nvm. You win
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>>65579419
Why wouldn't I?
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has anyone a keyboard that instead of typing letters it types words? i think it would be much faster to type on
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>>65579385
photoshop
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>>65579437
You can make macros...
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>>65579439
Ok faggot, quote the two posts again and I'll screen cap it and post it in under a minute
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>>65579437
you mean a chording keyboard. as a matter of fact they are faster
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>>65579452
>>65579126
>>65579141
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>>65579465
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>>65579465
okay you got me
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>>65579475
This is the real one
>>65579470
You had photoshop open so it was faster this time
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>>65579461
QMK has vim mode, has someone tried it out? wouldn't that be similar to a chording keyboard? apart of the steno mode ofc
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i need some help picking what i need for my dream keyboard.
>budget
$150 USD
>location
the south
>preferred switch type
anything tactile but louder than blues
>layout
commodore-style
>form factor
65%
>backlight
if there is any way to create a usb thinklight i'll do it
>keycaps
surprise me
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>>65570332
anyone own an F-122?
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>>65579402
Go for clears if you like browns, you'll realize what a dumb bitch you've been for wanting browns.
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>>65579504
here
https://matias.ca/60/pc/
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>>65579499
Yeah ok I just screenshotted something on my phone, transferred it to my pc, masked out the (You), saved it as a PNG and uploaded it in less than 30 seconds, dumb faggot
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>>65579522
I'd love to try them if only it didn't cost such a ridiculous amount for a test board that I'm going to use literally once. There's zero shops with mechanical boards on display anywhere in driving distance of me, either.
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>>65579565
that's what switch testers are for. novel keys have a some with a bunch of different switches
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>>65579565
That is like 90% of us here though... Clears are universally like though. Very tactile. Although it might be a bit heavy if you think browns are heavy.

Novel Keys sell switch testers and ebay sells the switches you can't find.
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>>65579307
Not him, but I use numpads all the time for actually typing numbers. I find it much faster to use a numpad to type a string of numbers than using the numrow.
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>>65579565
Just trust me on this one and go for it. To describe it in feel, it has a sharper and longer tactile bump and higher resistance. After the bump, the force required increases gradually all the way up to 90cN, making it very helpful if you want to avoid bottoming out. It's ergonomic and satisfying as fuck.

Fuck browns that are a pseudo-linear switch, jack of all trades shit at all of them.
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>>65579522
Wouldn't mod-m be a better choice? I mean he probably needs to get a gmmk, but still
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>>65579565
If you like tactility, you will like clears.
I used to think I didn't like tactile switches until I used a board with clears in it for a while.
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>>65579604
MOD switches are overpriced memes.
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>>65579604
It might be cheaper to get a WASD keyboard with MOD switches of his choice, but those will both end up being more expensive then a ducky
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>>65579580
>that's what switch testers are for.
Yes, for costing a ridiculous amount for something you will use literally once. It's like $16 for one. Unless I buy one from China, but I don't really want to wait 3 months to get it.
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>>65579665
what's wrong with the kailh one? its 17 bucks and comes with 27 different switches and ships in less then a week if you live in a first world country
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>>65579504
>anything tactile but louder than blues
Only thing I can think of are matias or buckling springs. Good luck with that.
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>>65579721
Where can I find this?
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>>65579721
>kalih
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>>65579763
novelkeys
https://novelkeys.xyz/collections/frontpage/products/kailh-sample-pack?variant=3747976970280
the box switches are so much better then anything cherry has to offer
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>>65578768
>Don't thank me, thank the anon that got a 3 day ban for fixing it for me.
I am that anon and I am back after serving my time. Thanks for sticking up for me.

>>65578955
>>65578986
This is exactly what happened, went to the irc and talked to the mod and he was an understandable cool dude, unbanned me. Was still butthurt so I just decided to call out the janny and hope for the best. Got a 1 day ban. Not mad, just stating the events. Kinda felt bad betraying the mod's trust.

So people do not buy 40% keyboards. They are terrible. No nav cluster arrow keys, no home rows, no f keys.

Unless you got a macropad, do not get a 40%. It guts the functionality for no reason other than portability... which at that point is not worth it. Unless you got a giant as pocket, a tkl is still better.

tldr
>I think 40% keyboards are silly and a gimmick that creates more work to use than it's worth. I'd prefer to create a palm sized chorded keyboard and learn how to chord keys than use a 40%.

>40% boards are just a stupid impractical phase that will pass soon.
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>>65579852
also don't make fun of me for that blue alps 60%... That shit was expensive to find and make.
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>>65579852
You are a hypocrite and a faggot.
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>>65579852
welcome back dude. I saw the archive. Glad your out.
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>>65579878
y?
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>>65579852
Nice dude, good to know there are mods with some common decency and sense
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>>65579878
explain pls.
>>65579894
>>65579910
<3
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>>65579845
Ah ok, I was looking for something with keycaps and some kind of fixture
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I am in the market for a new keyboard, i find my current keyboard to be too large and more than once when I am gaming i wish that the mouse didn't hit the keyboard as often. I am currently looking into 60% keyboards, for gaming I know that they will be a God send regarding ergonomics, but what about stuff like programming? I use the arrows and end and home buttons a lot and the 60% keyboards don't have them. Any programmer who can tell me about their experience with 60% keyboards?
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When did orange alps get so expensive.. I hate all you cunts. Share you cunts.
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>>65580062
>>65579852
I am this guy and have a couple of 60%. You will need a macropad cause arrow cluster function for 60% keyboards are absolutely terrible.

my friend vinny can hook you up.
>https://www.aliexpress.com/item//32812732361.html
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>>65580087
>>65580062
sorry I meant arrow clusters and home rows.
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>>65580087
>>65580107
Alright, is a tkl as ergonomic as the 60% boards? If not then I might invest in a macropad along with the 60%.
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>>65580133
I would honestly go with tkl. Ergonomic is a maybe if we are talking space. Maybe get a magicforce68. Those things are tiny and still convenient. It is slightly smaller than a tkl.
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Should I get a custom name plater and attach it to my keyboard?

I was thinking "High Tech, Low Life" engraved on the nameplate.
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>>65580212
I'm going to get exactly the same thing and stick it on the back of my HHKB.
Or maybe a /g/ toaster sticker.
In short, yes do it.
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>>65579721
>first world country
well i dont
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>>65580182
>magicforce68
shit is looking pretty good, thanks for the suggestion mate.
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>>65579852
so true 40% are shit and don't really fill the niche they are to big and not portable enough buy a 30% instead they are the way to go now, most comfy keyboard ever
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>>65580279
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>>65580320
nu
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>>65580255
How much money you got? Do you care if you keep the F keys at all?
You can get these with gateron switches or a magicforce 82 with gateron switches and they're just as wide as a 60% but taller.
75% is what I think most people would be best served by. 60% is smaller and sleeker but losing arrow keys sucks.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Plum84-white-LED-backlit-mechanical-keyboard-gaterom-mx-brown-blue-red-compact-gaming-keyboard-PBT-keycap/32767632458.html

https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20180417120119&SearchText=magicforce+82
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>>65580372
is it safe to assume that the typewriter keycaps would replaceable as well?
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>>65580414
Yeah they're just regular MX keycaps. Def. dont buy that one unless you're going to replace them
There were a bunch of other results on that page with just the normal keycaps.
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>>65580426
i think the typewriter keycaps would look really good. was thinking of getting that
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>>65580372
I would recommend that except
1. The layout is very foreign for new people
2. The keycaps for those 1u bottom rows are going to be a bitch to find
>>65580414
yes
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>>65580455
Oh okay, I just assumed you were asking if they were replacable because you didn't like them.
>>65580459
Yes the keycaps are a bitch to find for the noppoo choc mini(plum 84, same thing) but it was my first mech back in 2013, I've since bought a second one in 2016, and love the board to death.
Keeping the arrow keys and the function row(i use them for MMOs) while freeing up desk space like a 60% is just awesome. I've since got a million other keyboards but yeah. Couldn't not mention my favorite layout if someone is specifically looking for a smaller board.
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>>65571502
Hate browns, anon. You know you wanna. All of us cool kids on /mkg/ are doing it and you'll never be cool if you don't. Never EVER.
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We need a new thread
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>>65571502
psst hey kid. wanna hate on some browns... nigga wut... no you fuck I am not racist. I am talking about mechanical keyboards...
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>>65571158
This has convinced me to buy one of these. I've never seen such concentrated dedication to autism, and I want to support that.
Alternately, if he's scamming, he has reduced himself to a level of indignity I hadn't even conceived of by SIMULATING extreme autism, and I want to support that.
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>>65571502
Browns don't deserve the hate. They're fine until you try something better, and then they're ruined for you
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>>65580610
The problem is projects like this that are fuelled by concentrated autism never seem to deliver since they're perpetually "not good enough to be ready yet"
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>>65580610
Well I won’t support it because my autism is higher. No buzzer, no buy
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Are there any mechs with a slighter narrower space bar and the left alt key shifted further right slightly?
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>>65580610
doubt he is scamming, just super autistic. He updates the site every month and even has videos of making the keycaps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=e7QeiSxMyK8
Watch it, literally porn.

>>65580666
nah he just approved the keycaps.He is almost finished
>Many of the parts have finished production already and are waiting for assembly – die cast cases, flippers, barrels, controller PCB’s, capacitive PCBs. The top and bottom inner assembly production is almost finished (just need the powdercoating) and one key mold is good while the other needs adjustment. These are all parts whose production examples I’ve approved for quality and tolerances. Right now we just need the springs, keys, and dye sublimation to finish and then the keyboards can be assembled and ship.
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>>65570309
I found an old Macintosh SE with the M0116 keyboard intact in my garage and
the orange ALPS switches in them feel amazing.

Pic related.
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>>65580704
is it possible to inject 6 keycaps with a hand held press?
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>>65580067
>>65580746
this guy is me. Go fuck yourself. Are they comparable to topres or better?
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>>65580771
idk
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>>65580774
They honestly feel like cherry browns but the tactility in them is smoother and more "bulgy", and lower travel distance. Never tried topre.
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>>65580789
duno just curios i guess those keycaps are PBT but with ABS i would be able to press that plastic in...
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>>65580789
He said he’s been having issues trying to press the dye deep into the keycap. So if even a machine can’t do it, I doubt you can.
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>>65580910
i want to just build simple keycaps, no double shots and they would be slimmer and smaller than conventional ones
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>>65581132
Then just get g20 keycaps, unless you have $20,000 just lying around for pretty basic tooling
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>>65581233
i want to make my own profile, and i don't want a machine like the one above just something that heats up the plastic and i press it down manually the mold could be made by a lathe
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>>65581351
Those machines cost $100,000+
You need at least 7 molds and those cost a couple thousand each. Now with this method isn’t very efficient but it’s the cheapest. Spend a bit more and you could cut down your time from a week to a couple days
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>>65580682
you should make a keyboard
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New Thread!
>>65581488
>>65581488
>>65581488
get in b4 this hits the archives
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>>65581132
check out the artisan keycap guide on reddit if you want some pointers
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/wiki/key_modifications#wiki_making_resin_keys




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