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Headphone guide: https://canpicker.com/

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>>65952924
But most of those headphones are shit, why is the audiophile man holding them on his hands?
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>>65952943
>CelebrityHeadphoneDeathmatch
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>>65952559
>>65952789
I wouldn't mind another informed opinion or suggestion. Still undecided on what I should get and what would fit my needs. It's really important to me to not squander the sound.
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>>65952971
Stax
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>>65952971
stax 009s
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>>65952943
Be a good goy and buy what the deaf man tells you.
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>>65952987
>>65953002
I get you guys are trying to be funny and have you fun but I had hoped you could also help me make a wise decision with the little money I have.
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>>65953026
Save the little money you have and buy a real set of ear speakers. Don’t waste it on garbage. Stax is serious business.
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>>65953026
not trying to be funny
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>>65952924
He is going to be using a Beats Solo 3. Haha. This makes audiophiles rage!
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>>65952971
When you say neighbors, you mean people in the same room?

MSR7 is probably one of the better sounding options. It is a bit small and it isn't the most isolating option. Nad HP50 is another small option, with a bit better isolation. Tends to a more downsloping sound.
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Trying again
>150€ hard limit
>Europe
>Motherboard with ALC892
>Full sized
>Open
>The most comfy shit you can think of, for several hours of use every day
>Warm or v-shaped
>HD600s and M40x. I love my 600's for music, but I mainly want the new ones for video games and films(single player, no footsteps memes)

Any EU amazon works, thanks
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Anyone knows if the D50 can work with usb power alone or is the power brick needed
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>>65953078
Not in the same room, but room next door so there is a certain amount of leakage and lack of isolation I can tolerate. Nothing close to what open headphones give out though. I was hesitant concerning the MSR7 because I read it's made for "mobile use" (which I don't know the validity of) and that just sounds like a dangerous buzzword to me, but I suppose I'll give it a try, thank you.
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>>65953091
HD600 is a good choice.
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just got the HD660S what amp should i get?

budget is 150
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>>65953141
>I love my 600's
Dumb Sennheiser shill
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>>65953091
Instead of picking up headphones since you already have some good ones, the best performance gain would be a desktop amp and DAC. I'd recommend the Schiit Fulla since you don't want to spend much but if you could go higher Schiit makes lots of options to stack together.
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Budget - High end, not $1000+ Headphones though.

Location - US

Source - A big fuck off Denon AVR-2802, lemme know if I need an amp for your recommendation though. To this day I still can't figure what the highest my headphone impedance should be. Manual is super convoluted.

Type of headphone - Over Ear

Open or closed - Semi-Open is preferred but I'm open to suggestions.

Comfort level - Pretty comfy

Sound signature - V-Shaped, not too important though, I can balance it in my EQ.

Past headphones - Moving on from my buddies old M50x.

Thinking of getting the DT1990's but not too sure.
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>>65953175
stax
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>>65953175
Stax
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>>65953175
HD600 suits what you're looking for, and if you want to drive it a bit better than your Denon I'd recommend looking at Schiit's amps as they make quite a lot of great offerings.
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>>65953216
>V-shaped
It's like you dumb Sennheiser shills can't read. Dumbo Sennheiser shill
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tfw stax
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>>65953305
/thread
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>>65953175 Same fag here
Lemme be a little more clear.
I want a V Shape that complements The low end while retaining satisfying highs. Some reasons why I like my M50x's is because I can practically redesign its sound signature, and I can hear EVERYTHING. I want new cans though, because these things have highs that sound like crashing dinner plates, and the bass isn't quite there for what I want in my headphones.
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>>65953279
The HD600 are a good choice here and you can use EQ to add your V-shape very easily as the HD600 have a reference grade flat sound signature that allows you to tailor the sound to your tastes. An even Schiit DAC and amp setup will help keep the HD600 powered across all ranges, too.
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>>65953327
stax
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>buy stax
>sound good
>enjoy
stax
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>>65953331
Dumbo Sennheiser shill
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>>65953279
Honestly hd600 w/schitt stack is all you need. Unless Stax.
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>>65952971
I am in a similar boat to you, I am between DT 250, DT 770, MSR7 and NAD HP50. Decided to order the NAD because they seem good value, they're quirky but not bizarre, and reviews indicate the warmth would sound like more of an upgrade to my novice ears than a flatter signature. Enough comments about 'bright' or 'shrill' turned me off the MSR7s. Fit is purportedly subjective with the HP50s so who knows if I'll end up keeping them.
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>>65953354
That reply came second before I was going to click the order button with the MSR7. You sure have me in doubt. The other anon seemed to think they have good sound but now I'm not sure if I want to try.
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How many unique posters do you think the HD600/schiit posters are? It's a shame to see those headphones dragged around in the mud with such a cheap amp.
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>>65953354
Once you have a pair of HD600s you won't need to keep bouncing around to different headphones because you'll have reached the ultimate endgame.
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>>65953362
Heh. Hey you'll never know unless you try right? If your source material is reasonably high-quality I wouldn't think you would even notice. But then again I have never heard the MSR7s so I'm sure one of the other quality posters in this thread can chime in.
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>>65953371
But what makes them endgame?
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>>65953402
Buying Stax
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>>65952949
What's better with the Crack/Speedball, 650 or 800S?
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>>65953362
>>65953354
They are both decent headphones.
MSR7 has a peak around 8-10kHz somewhere. It doesn't go higher than the midrange, the range in between is a bit less sensitive, making that peak stand out.
HP50 response tilts downward, has a bit of added bass.
HP50 is small, so is MSR7. See which one works better for you.
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>>65953434
L700
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>>65953434
hd650 for certain.
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>>65953434
The HD650 is driver matched to +/- 1dB which ensures the highest quality headphone.
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>>65953497
800s are too thin with Crack. With any other amp I almost always prefer the 800s.
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>>65953527
What amp do you like best with the 800S
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>>65953458
I got to say, I'm a novice myself and would like something that will let me enjoy the songs I listen to and from that previous anon's post I am now also considering the DT 770 PRO as those have outstanding reviews and are the most affordable. Can't order the HP50 in Germany, the question is just if the addition price of like 20-30€ of the MSR7 is worth it or if I will be satisfied (also in terms of leakage) with the DT 770/ DT 250. I should make a decision very soon so I can order them right now and hold them in my hands this morning. Just hoping for an informative post to push me over the edge. Guessing I will go DT 770 PRO otherwise.
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>>65953557
Wa22 has been my main amp for maybe seven years now. First with hd800, now with hd800s.
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Idoltrash here. What's your setup like, Anon?
>>65952924
nice pic, shit pastebin
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>>65953346
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>>65953586
>t. Schiitheiser owner
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>>65953586
garbage
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>>65953568
With choice nos tubes wa22/hd800s is heavenly. Have found S.E.X /he-500 a great match. been pulling out LCD-2 with wa6-se.
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>>65953562
DT770 should have more isolation.
770 Pro treble has a bit of boost. Some people like it, others do not.
I think the Custom One Pro should have a little less in the highs.
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>>65953644
Custom One Pro seemed like a meme because of all the options and the bass switch, I know some people love them but I personally thought the marketing was odd.
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>>65953629
well being floor anon i know you wouldn't recommend anything cheaper
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>>65953586
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>>65953711
I would only recommend hd650/Crack with mods, that combo is solid.
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>>65953796
post pictures of your ribbon cables
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>>65952924
looking for the equivalent of the low profile apple wireless earphones except i dont wanna drop 240$? Ive see some models that have the buds linked by wire but i want one thats fully wireless
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>>65953819
You can see em >>65952949
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>>65952949
https://www.omegamikro.com/clearview-ultrathin-analog-ribbon.html
>The perplexed look on your face will evaporate the instant you hear the excitement the Ribbon adds to your music: startling energy, all kinds of new instrumental details, thunderous bass and perfectly-articulated, endless treble.
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>>65953851
HD600.
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>>65953890
Dummy Sennheiser shill
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>>65953676
You don't have to use the bass switch. It's a decent headphone anyway.
Or go with the 770 if you don't mind.
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This general is legit worse than most degenerate threads on /vg/, holy shit what a meme hd600 shithole this is
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>>65953921
see you tomorrow
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>tfw trying to get a hair off a driver with your shakey fuck hands and anxiety
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>>65953879
AHAHAHA
HOLY SHIT THIS CAN'T BE REAL
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>>65953942
brace against something hard and lever with your arm
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>>65953955
its floor anon, hes a buypig
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>>65953971
don't fit everyone who spends money into the same group as him, learn some damn nuance for fucks sake
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What are some cheap headphones that don't leak? I need something comfortable for listening to music at work, but in-ear earbuds are uncomfy as fuck, and my SHP9500s (which ARE comfy) leak too much noise for the office.
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>>65954007
HD600 is probably what you're looking for. How are you powering them?
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Just got these this week
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>>65954017
no amp or nothing, just plugging into my work PC headphone jack
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>>65953921
Nothing is worse than /gsg/
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>>65954017
>Cheap
Idiot Sennheiser shill
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My takstar pro 82 arrived.

Good stuff, thanks to the anon who recommended it.
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>>65954039
Oh you should probably consider getitng an amp and a DAC to power them if you really want good performance then. I'd recommend looking into Schiit's amp/DACs like the Fulla which should pair nicely with your new HD600.
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>>65954038
How are they? Which impedance?
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>>65954062
Baka Sennheiser shill
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>>65954062 >>65954017 >>65953890
Dumb falseflagger.
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>>65954062
no, i need cheap. dont wanna buy anything extra.
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>>65954007
Stax
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>>65954074
Start with the HD600 and then re-evalute a few months from now. Bookmark here just for your own reference:

http://www.schiit.com/products
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>>65954074
You're getting memed, friend.
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>>65954092
well wtf. i don't even need great quality headphones, they just need to be comfortable and not leak, and as cheap as possible.
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>>65954083
>Cheap
Shill Sennheiser Dumb
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>>65954123
They're regularly on sale.
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>>65954007
How much for the NVX XPT100/Brainwavz HM5/etc. in your part of the world? Same OEM design, but regional brands have it cheaper.
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>>65954144
don't know. i'm in USA.

maybe what i'm asking for doesn't exist. by cheap i was thinking under $50.
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I've been using Sony MDR V6 for about nine years. Saw a sale for a hundred bucks off on Bose QuietComfort25 that apparently brings it down to a decent price range so I jumped on it. I'm not looking for insane audio quality, but do these things have decent sound quality for 150 bucks?
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>>65954169
Hm, XPT 100 should be comfortable for most users. But I see it for 80 new. Could be cheaper if you get it used or something, but not everyone can deal with that.

https://www.ebay.com/p/NVX-Audio-XPT100-Studio-Over-ear-Headphones-W-COMFORTMAX-Earpads/2254405433
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>>65954133
Anon wants cheap, dumdum Sennheiser shill
>>65954074
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>>65953959
Thanks anon, I got it
Laid them flat on the desk and got em with some tweezers that were probably too pointy to be using for that
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so I got the hd660s after falling to shills

the hd660 is plenty loud with onboard but sounds like shit so I want an external dac+amp

would the audioengine d1 be good?
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>>65954421
It sounds like shit because it sounds like shit. Get another headphone.
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>>65954421
Stax
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>>65954421
What is your budget?
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>>65953068
He said he was going to buy a Bose QC35
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>>65954446
$200
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>>65954462
Stax
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>>65954462
O2+ol dac
You /could/ get a fulla 2 but that's less than ideal, better than onboard at least
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https://twitter.com/MKBHD/status/996541509020340224
So what do you guys hear?
Asking here because I trust you guys to have a decent audio setup and I want to make sure this is based on biological factors and not people listening to it through garbage phone speakers.
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>Ctrl+f "RP-HTF600-S" no result
Neo-/g/ at its finest.
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>>65954523
Literally no way to hear Yanny unless your ears are fucked
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>>65954523
I hear Laurel on everything I have.
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>>65954523
Laurel clear as a bell.
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>>65954545
That's fine if you're listening out of a 10 year old thinkpad to 128kbps mp3s.
Otherwise? lol, just lol
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>>65954523
Laurel 100%
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>>65954523
Yanny.
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>>65954523
It uhh, just changed from yanny to laurel. What the fuck?
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>>65954523
hd600 I hear yanny.
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>>65954523
I think most people on that thread are just baiting or have hearing loss. It's poorly enunciated but it's closer to "laurel" than "yanny".
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>>65954617
The L sound is too pronounced to ever be yanny, yeah
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>>65954523
Yanny on Kannons, Laurel on L700s. It's got something to do with frequency response, that's for sure.
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>>65954523
https://youtu.be/c3GNT8Ac050?t=1m48s
Timestamp 1:48
I can finally hear Yanny when he shifts the pitch down.
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>>65954523
Laurel, on HD650
Are some people actually hearing Yanny for some reason or is this just a troll?
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>>65954568
>I'll use memes to show him that I'm an oldfag lol
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>>65954636
If you believe the people on twitter, people have been disagreeing while listening from the same speakers/headphones. IMO it's confusing some people due to the poor clarity of the word (whatever theyve done to it) so an artifact of aural comprehension rather than the sound setup.
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>>65954675
Peoples' ears have different frequency responses too (plus room effects for speakers), although you're right, brain wiring definitely also has something to do with it.
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>>65954658
So you literally need to flip the shit out of it to hear Yanny
Some people's brain are weird
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>>65954705
Try a +10dB Q15 shelf at 1KHz (boosting all above it). Did that, and now I can hear both simultaneously.
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>>65954066
80ohm, cos I was worried about my dj mixer not being powerful enough to drive them, but I tested some 250ohms ones while waiting for them to be delivered, and that worked fine.... so I should have got 250 really.

Comfy and good isolation like most broadcast style headphones, I like the modular design should anything break
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>>65953733
The apple dongle into the cardas cable just goes to show what audiofools believe
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Are the M40X too big/dumb looking to wear in the street?
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>>65954950
They're fine
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>>65954636
best post in the thread
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>>65954950
not as much as Beats
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>>65954950
if you care about how you look at all then yes
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>>65954950
Who cares what some nigger on the bus thinks about your headphones
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Hey guys. Not even posted in this thread yet. So are you enjoying the your shilling btw?
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>>65953796
>hd650/Crack
Lots of people say this. And this not too expensive. I would say a bottlehead crack is a good investment for sure. See how much the the sexy pre built amps sell for.
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>>65955237
>>65955325
I like the word "The" apparently.
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>>65955237
we're all resting after our fighting today, tomorrow we'll pick up the arguing again
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>>65955363
Are you having a stroke?
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>>65955379
No just woke up. But I should test myself the.
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>>65955363
loss of motor function is common when using kannons to their fullest potential
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>>65955409
Oh I would never buy into that meme. But lets not get into that.
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Got an email from from Mod House Audio saying that it's not too late to add the balanced mod to my Argons. Very nice people.
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>>65955454
so you're behind the balanced shitposting too huh, that figures
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>>65955454
what is the balanced mod?
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>>65954523
at higher volume i hear laurel, at lower volume a second voice saying yanni is more apparent
i'm using speakers
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>>65955509
Nope
>>65955519
http://www.modhouseaudio.com/t50rp-balanced-conversion/balanced
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>>65955540
mmm, tempting, i'll probably order a 2nd pair when my balanced amp arrives
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I understand there's a big difference between closed and open cans, but are M40x a good upgrade from my old 668b? I pretty much -need- closed headphones
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>>65955688
Get a Takstar Pro 82 instead. Better sound, much more comfortable.
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>>65955562
why on god's earth
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>>65955723
>Takstar
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>>65955732
because i can
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>>65953890
i was asking for earbuds, how much does sennheiser pay you anyways
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>>65955723
Damn those are ugly as a sin, but seem better, and I'd be saving the money I'd have to spend on pads for the m40x

Thanks senpai I'll watch some reviews
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>>65955789
Really? I think they're quite nice looking, especially considering how cheap they are. ~$60 on aliexpress. And those pads, mmm.
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I can not find a Aune X7S with a UK 240v power supply. If I but one with a 220v EU brick. Could I then use an adapter?
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>>65955834
garbage
why do you want a """balanced""" amp anyways
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Is aliexpress "safe"? I wanna test the SHP9500 but they're not available on EU for less than 120€
I can get them on china for 72, but i dunno if I should be concerned with fakes and stuff
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>>65955859
zeos likes balanced amps and argons so they buy balanced amps and argons
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>>65956088
I bought Argons before zeos said they was cool. And for balanced. Why not.
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>>65956088
always do the opposite of what zeos says
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My TV has both rca output & optical output? does that mean I can use two devices at the same time? Was thinking of using one amp for speakers and one amp for headphones.
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Porcupine Tree - Sever
I like it
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>>65955834
240=220 in that range they are not precise as far as I know, just do not use 220v on 120v hardware
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anybody use dacs/amps not because of the boost in sound quality but simply because of physical volume knob? changing volume with my laptop keyboard feels like shit. I cant go back to that.
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>>65956211
Thank you.
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>>65956213
I suppose that is a aspect of it. And the sound it makes when you plug that big jack in.
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>>65956213
yes, and onboard amps sound like crap
you see, DACs are all the same,withing margin of error, but amp is what really has differences and where going a little higher actually make it sound better
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>>65956163
probably. you can also use a rca spitter if your tv had only rca outputs.
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Convince me not to.
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Recommendations for entry level CIEMs? Currently looking at 64adio A2e
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>>65956636
I can't. Schiit stack sounds good
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>SHP9500 are 127€
I cheaped out and ordered some bottom line headphones, will keep the one I like the most
>beyerdynamic dtx 910
>sennheiser hd201
>akg k 240
>superlux hd668b
What am I in for?
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I want a simple dac with 3,5mm mic jack. Why aren't there any. The only options are buying an audio interface which is an overkill or GAYMUR external soundcard which is meme

wat do /g/, wat do
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>>65956690
Buy a splitter and connect your mic cable into your motherboard
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>there are people on /hpg/ right now who bought high-end headphones that aren't the HD800
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>>65956690
https://mayflowerelectronics.com/arc/
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>>65956636
the button is very lose and moves around
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>>65956690
why not an usb mic?
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>>65954523
I can hear both on my Genelec 8020C.
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>>65956817
Schiit loves using cheap switches.
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>>65956725
The vets here like the Benchmark guy and indo anon have some variation of the HD800.
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>>65956636
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/budget-dac-review-schiit-modi-2-99.1649/
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>>65956937
Where the rest of my HD800 bois at?

Poorfags need not apply.
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>>65956736
>https://mayflowerelectronics.com/arc/

>229.99$

holy shit, i'm an yuropoor but that's exactly what I am looking for

I only wish it would be cheaper
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>>65957079
What are you driving it off of?
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>>65957104
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>>65957116
garbage
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>>65957120
>t. poorfag
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>>65957116
please be serious
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Since when has /hpg/ been a hive of senn/schiite shills?
Seems to be getting worse...
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>>65957079
Hello.
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>>65957132
>he thinks I'm not serious

Also before you ask, yes that's a 1080Ti and yes those are the USB cables for an Oculus Rift. I can afford these things because I'm not poor like you.

>>65957146
Sweet.
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>>65957167
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>>65957167
nice b8m8
seriously though just get an external dac and amp to show off even more how not poor you are
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>>65957167
Please be serious, as in "I hope he is serious, that's funny as shit". Poorfag.
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>>65957180
kys

>>65957182
>just get an external dac and amp
Why?

>>65957183
>calling ME a poorfag

Okay child, three things.

1. You are human garbage
2. I wear more money on my wrist than you make in six months
3. Apologize
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What music does /hpg/ listen to?
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>>65957221
1. You are mad as fuck.
2. No you don't.
3. You first.
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It's weird, peeps who own the HD800 or HD800S seem to be content with their headphones unlike these STAX fags who are noisy and in a constant state of denial. Is this the perfect example of buyer's remorse?
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Not taking your bait, lol. Also I plan to get 800s at some point to mod, but after all ZMFs.
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>>65956636
saint yourself up with audio god
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>>65957230
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=080Kwc1WWiQ
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Hey guy's looking for new headphones. Not sure what I want fits the format but I'll give it a shot.

>Budget: $800 or less fairly hard limit.

>Location: USA

>Source: probably some portable amp/dac

>Type: Don't care if IEM or not. Just should be isolating without sound leakage, good for portable use, etc.

>Type: For a full size/on ear, closed.

>Comfort: Doesn't matter for full size, most full sizes are comfortable to me. Just has to sound good. For on-ear, should be pretty comfortable. For iems, comfort is a requirement.

>Sound signature: fairly neutral I guess...

Not sure this fit the format too well so here's a quick summary: Basically, what are the best headphones/iems for portability, sound isolation, and no sound leakage, in the around 800 or less range.
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>>65957221
On the off chance this isn't bait:

Get an external DAC and amp for the sound quality, not being limited by usually poor mobo audio implementation, etc. Seriously, most of the board users are laughing because buying a headphone of that level and not using it with gear that actually brings out what it was made to do is super weird. You're the only person I've ever seen do this.

No one thinks your poor, just woefully uninformed.
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>>65957221
>Why?
because electricity, how does it work? W vs Ohm, who wins?
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How frequently is the 6XX dropped for 200?
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>>65957221
Pls stop shitposting /wt/ with your "Tudor". kthxbye.
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>>65957469
It depends. Sometimes it takes months, other times weeks.
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>>65957551
No.

Fuck off.
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>>65957551
/wt/ isn't sending their best. I hope to god not all /wt/ posters act like this manchild.
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what are some dac+amps that are capable of powering both speakers and headphones?
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>>65957873
>/wt/ posters act like this manchild.
those people buy jewelry for the sake of jewelry, what do you think /wt/ is?
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Would the SHP9500s be superior to HD579 given that it doesn't have an amp? Also, 579 is $108 on Amazon right now. Is that its normal price now?
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>>65957902
Wow. Looking at his wrists, I guess I'm not surprised /wt/ would be full of twinks.
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Just bought these, what am I in for?
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>>65957915
like most of /g/ /wt/ is absolute buypig tier
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>>65957230
I think this is the only general I've been to that when people post something like this it doesn't get flooded with answers

given that its a head phone general thats weird, but maybe it makes sense
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>>65957371
Any recommendations? Guys?
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Someone stop me

Not interested in using my phone with a dac and I need to player to double as a dac for my laptop
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>>65958309
check out the 2nd post on this general
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>>65958315
whatever dude you're just gonna buy it, it's a retarded purchase but you keep coming back here so just fucking waste your money like a good little slut. take that dick hard and suck the cum clean right off it
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>>65958315
Well, at least its not argons.
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>>65958324
Usually /hpg/ is pretty good about having at least a few recs, at least the previous times I've asked. But I guess this is not one of those times.
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>>65958336

How's it a retarded purchase aside from the phone/dac meme as there's not a portable dac that can match the performance of this.
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>>65958375
there's around 20 portable dacs that have much better performance at a tiny percentage of the price. but again, you're retarded. you don't really want suggestions. you want to take that dick like a good little buypig don't you? you fucking love it don't you, you stupid slut. buy that shit and get the fuck out of here
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>>65958375
Probably because, assuming these are the headphones he plans to use with it, he is spending 3.5x the amount on the dac/amp than the headphones.
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>>65958388
Can you give some examples of great performing portable DACs? I'm in the market. Didn't find anywhere near 20.
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>>65958396

I have CA Vega but want some cans to use until better things come out, like the maze empyrean.

Should I just get the dac and pass on the t1p?
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>>65958406
no. I'm so done with you. get the fuck out of here and spend your money that you don't even have.
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>>65958423
Dude, I'm not the same guy buying the $3500 dac. I was genuinely asking a question.
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>>65958407
Ok, at least you have other high end cans. Honestly not sure, never explored gear priced that high. Still, >>65958388 is likely right, you can probably find better/equal performing portable DACs for a fraction of the cost. Don't waste your money, even if you have a lot of it.

Also, wtf is the maze empyrean? Is that even real?

And if you are buying $1000+ IEMs why not get custom molded and response curved ones?
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>>65958454
hes posted here before dont waste any more time on him
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So I currently own Hd6xx, Fidelio X2 and He400 and im looking at upgrading to one single Headphone.
I like the He400 best although the Senns are technically better and the X2s are a fuck load more comfier. I was thinking Audeze or another model Hifiman, Any suggestions?
Im using an old matrix mstage dac and O2 amp, might consolidate to one dac/amp as well.
Pls no meme.
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>>65958480
LCD2-C
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>>65957371
OPPO PM3
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>>65958454
Meze*
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>>65958336
>>65958388
>>65958423
>>65958470
Why are you so mad?
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>>65958500
Thank you! I was looking at this one and your cosign is much appreciated.
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>>65958521
I have them myself after looking at the same thing for a while, great headphones. Run fine without an amp when you need to. Not so expensive I wouldn't use them outside with physical activity and so on and a pretty snug fit. No sound leakage at all.
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>>65957221
>tfw poorfag has a black bay cus he cant afford a submariner
kek
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>>65958480
LCD2C but take a listen to them first, they got contradictory opinions around them
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>>65958510
Oh I see. Wow those seem interesting, not well versed enough in audio to know wth "isodynamic hybrid array" means but it certainly seems impressive.

But I'm still curious about those IEMs, and this is a general question: Once you start getting into expensive IEMs, isn't it better to get ear-tuned response curve and custom molded ones?
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>>65958480
maybe its just me but as much as I loved my LCD-2s (upgrade from hd600)
those bitches are heavy as all hell and no matter how much I wore them they were always uncomfortable so I had to get rid of them
much happier with the lower fidelity of my hd600s but im comfortable so im thinking of getting a pair of hd800s
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>>65958538
Thanks! How comfortable would you say they are? Not as important to me but still nice. Also, while I don't care much about comfort my ears do tend to sweat a lot, so how do they deal with some amount of sweat and such?
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cop or not?
I got x2s and m40x just want something better than my onboard for cheap.
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Fostex T60rp -compare them to 600s.
Argons out of question. 1. can't buy them 2. the wood is cooler.
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>>65958572
youre not wrong they feel heavy as shit after 30min

unless if youve been working on your neck muscles you're not gonna wear them for over 1hr
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>>65958588
honestly my neck wasn't even the worst part
I wear glasses so maybe it had something to do with it but if I wore my LCD 2-s for an hour I was guaranteed to have a headache for the next 4 hours
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>>65958588
tfw wear my stax all day and it feels like I'm wearing nothing at all from the lightweight construction
tfw people ask why are they made from lightweight plastic
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>>65954421
No stay away from audioengine anything get this >>65954515
o2+oldac
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>>65958592
you didn't give them enough time, personally in a month I can wear lead bricks on my head - question of habit, problem is surviving acclimation period
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>>65958609
Wow, so headphones can be used to get swole. Does /fit/ know about this?
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>>65954950
I use m40x with brainwavz hm5 pads as my travel cans
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>>65958584
its fine, around that price point you wont do much better than fine. respectable setups start around $200. the e10k is fine too.
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>>65956636
multibit is a meme
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>>65958609
3 months in I couldn't stand it anymore
which sucked huge nuts cus I lost mad money on it since the 30 day free trial was done away with
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>>65957927
You're gonna want new pads. Brainwavz HM5 pads are a good fit for these. Dekoni also makes pads specifically for this series of headphones, they're are nicer but a little more expensive. Cables are also annoyingly long, even the "short" coiled cable is like 6 ft. Many short straight replacement cables can be found on amazon for cheap though. Other than that they are great sounding headphones, just uncomfortable out of the box.
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>>65958484
>>65958557
They're the ones i was thinking of getting, I probably won't be able to listen to them before i buy them so i might have to just roll the dice.
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I wonder who tends to spend more money: /hpg/ or /wt/
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>>65958678
beware that they are dark-ish
everyone laughs at zeos and his sound demos but actually it's a good way to check headphone sound signature. it's like unique headphone through mic EQ
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>>65958696
well assuming the top/high end of each category will skew the average significantly /wt/ spends more
a middle 50% would be interesting though my money is on /hpg/
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>>65958696
hpg is pretty reasonable most of the time actually, I'd say definitely wt. that gen is fucked.
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>>65958572
The weight shouldn't be be an issue my he400s are pretty heavy. How did you find the sound? worth the price?
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>>65958665
LCD-3 owner here. You're a bit of a necklet if you can't stand wearing them for less than an hour. I don't have any neck or head pain when I wear them. That said I don't like being so conscious of them being on my head, I never forget that I'm wearing headphones. Want to get the carbon fiber headband but don't really feel like paying $200 for it and that other strap people use looks ghetto as fuck
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>>65958696
/mkg/ for spending 120+ per keycap set
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>>65958713
worth the price? thats completely individual based on ur budget and means
if dropping $1k on a hobby item doesnt sound out of the realm of normality id go for it if I were you

law of diminishing returns kicks in hard so comparing the $300 I spent for my hd600s whenever I did vs the $1k I spent on the LCD 2s no theyre not a good value but they sound great and are worth the upgrade if you can justify the cost
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>>65958696
at the end of the day headphones are about function while watches are literally jewelry. audio jewelry isn't that popular here for the most part.
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>>65958733
there is that benchmark owner lurking around
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>>65957401
They sound good to me.

>>65957422
?

>>65957551
kys

>>65958555
Post your $10 Casio, cuck.
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>>65958738
he gets pretty bullied though
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Hey /hpg/, is this marketing gimmicks or actual innovative technology?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqW0I2l76L8
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>>65958723
im a little bitch about headaches but theyre already gone and no desire to try my luck again
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>>65958739
lol
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>>65958724
That's /r/mechanicalkeyboards. If anything /mkg/ spends $300 on rubberdomes, and collects chinkshit switches.

And when top of the line highest-end keyboards cost $300, meme Korean customs that nobody actually buys cost $400-500, and you can only go higher by trying to buy artisan keycaps or some meme that's not actually related to keyboards (or the occasional vintage ultra-rare beamspring for $1000 on ebay), I don't think /mkg/ can actually compete.
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What's a proper alternative for a Schiit Fulla2?

I want a dac and amp for cheap. (sub $200, Europe)
But most things arent that great
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>>65958762
topping d30 + jds o2
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>>65958739
didnt u say ur tudor is a fake in /wt/
u cant even flex loser
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https://www.mola-mola.nl/dac.php

Are these snake oil or what? If the specs are real than this company would make the ultimate objectivist DACs, better than anything else out there.
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>>65958743
isn't that planar magnetic?
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just got this
ultra clean ultra low noise separate 5V DC for USB input on my dac.
previously it used dirty power from PC USB
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>>65958785
>dutch
absolute snake oil
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>>65958739
>They sound good to me.

Perhaps, but they could sound better. And if you are truly as rich as you appear to be than it should be no problem for you to buy one. They aren't even that expensive!
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>>65958793
They don't sell direct but through high end retailers they sell all over the world though.
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>>65958797
based golden hearted anon staying helpful in the face of an absolute shitter, what a legend
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>>65958808
aka they sell to people with money to burn who don't know any better that just want to feel like they have the best, pure audiophool snake oil 101
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>>65958786
Should've mentioned this earlier: Meze audio is going to be using this tech in the empyrean (coming out this month I think), and according to the audiophile community the tech is different than planar magnetic. I was just wondering if it actually would bring out a noticeably better improvement in sound quality that the video seems to tout. I doubt it will actually redefine the past 30 years of classical drivers the way the video seems to tout but it doesn't seem wrong to hope for at least some significant improvement. Without paying thousands more for electrostatics, anyway.
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>>65958746
I decided to go take a look at Audeze's website for whatever reason and it looks like now all LCD headphones except for the 4's come with a spring steel suspension headband and you can buy said headband for $125 if you dont want to spend $200 on the carbon fiber one. Also didn't know that they released a step up from MX-4, basically LCD-4 but lightweight and low impedance. Also I guess the LCD-4 doesn't have those nice rosewood rings anymore... just boring old piano black
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>>65958847
you can get extremely good electrostatics for under a thousand
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>>65958825
But can they be so snake oil as to lie about their measurements? Isn't that, like, actually illegal? They would be objectively lying to their distributors and customers.
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>>65958850
welp
probably should have held on to them a little longer but too late now!
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>>65958853
check out the sbaf vs as arguments over the topping and schiit products. you can get wildly different results depending on how you do things.
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>>65958851
Yeah, I'm hoping they sound better/comparable to those.

Also off the top of my head the only one I know is the stax l300, out of curiosity what others are there?
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>>65956033
anyone?
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>>65956033
it's safe for cheap stuff
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>>65958862
Oh yeah, good point. But jumping topics: Wasn't it proven that Marv was doing his measurements wrong on this board and other places, and sbaf never responded? Amir from ASR actually has extremely high end audio analyzers and such and does his measurements well, and took down Marv's response to his initial measurements piece by piece.
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>>65958863
the stax L300 LE is a mini L700 for around 600. the L700 is nearly the 009 at 1200.
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>>65958883
but the thing is if you're doing it yourself you can just put asterisks next to things to qualify some vague setting that gets what you're claiming and then say almost anything you want. my dad works in marketing at a major company and I saw this all of the time, they're so sneaky. only trust 3rd party reviewers not the company, and even then be careful about which reviewers you trust since so many just say everything expensive is good.
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>>65958890
Cool, did not know about these. What's the cheapest amp you would need to power an l300 le?
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>>65958900
Your absolutely right, I was just talking about the schiit audio + marv from sbaf vs. amir from ASR situation which illustrates what you just said
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>>65958797
Too much hassle.

>>65958776
Of course it isn't fake you cunt.
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>>65958904
so most people are pairing it with the 353X which is maybe stax best amp, but that's going to be no lower than $700 at best direct from japan/china or $5-600 used which is probably more than you want to spend. most people looking for budget stax amps recommend looking at used stax classifieds since electrostatic users love to upgrade their amps to really high end stuff. get one of their solid state amps made after 2005 or so and you'll absolutely love it. back when I was just getting into stax this is what I did but right now I don't know the scene or prices. or just get the 353X which is the best solid state amp for electrostatics right now.
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>>65958623
which is better between the 2?
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>>65958560
>isn't it better to get ear-tuned response curve and custom molded ones?
I could give a really long answer to this one.
To keep it short, they can only do so much to tune to your ear. This will involve some small modifications to the tubing. Even when the right impressions are made and the molds well crafted, acrylic customs don't always fit exactly right. Lastly, it's a lot easier to return and resell.

>>65958785
>Mola-Mola
Putzeys usually doesn't BS around.
But it's slightly less impressive than it might seem.

>>65958588
No neck issues (do people really get neck pain?), but they're too massive and clunky for my use. Places uncomfortable pressure on the skull, but they're more annoying to move around in. The design will never let you forget that.
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>>65958946
not much of a difference, the fiio is more popular so maybe just get that
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>>65958696
what is /wt/? watches?
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>>65958977
>the fiio is more popular
ill get the sabaj then ;3
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>>65958992
yea I was thinking that while I typed that out, if I say the fiio is more popular hes gonna get the other one
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>>65958978
Yeah watches on /g/, much like this sub-board on /g/.
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>>65958966
Nice dubs.

And you seem knowledgeable; your reasoning for non-custom IEMs makes sense. How accurate would you say a site like this is, going by sound at the top end of the range? Most of the top-ranking IEMs on this site tend to be custom: http://theheadphonelist.com/headphone-list/

>Mola-Mola
>But it's slightly less impressive than it might seem.
So it's still very impressive then? Or no?
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>>65957371
Etymotic ER-4SR and XR. The design naturally lends itself to isolation: a sealed in-ear that is small and easy to insert to the second bend. The more reference toned IEMs as well.
People may object to the tri-flanges, but there are lots of aftermarket ear tips that fit. Klipsch ovals, Westone Star and foam, Shure foams, Comply T-100 and P-series, and so on.

>>65958862
>>65958883
>sbaf vs
>proven that Marv was doing his measurements wrong
Links, please.
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>>65958977
is the bass boost on the e10k any good
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>>65959054
uh, sure why not
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>>65959045
Thank you very much for that rec, I'll look into it!

>Links, please.
Give me some time to find them all, there's quite a few pages of things to scrounge up.
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>>65959118
wouldn't bother, hes a sbaf regular
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>>65959118
keep in mind some people describe the tri-flanges as "ear-rape". The ER4 series are perfectly good earphones, but their design really isn't for everyone. I personally find them excruciating but some people say they're the most comfortable iems they've worn. consider the massdrop plus if you're willing to wait for a iem with more conventional eartips. they won't isolate as well, but no one should hear what you're playing through iems if you aren't listening at hearing damage levels anyway.
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he-400S or T60rp? There is no audio stores in my town. I need some opinions.
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>>65959177
garbage
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>>65959177
if youre gonna go chifiman get the sundara which will replace the he400 line

while the build quality may be improved on the sundara, chifiman still has driver issues
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>>65959161
Thank you! So do any IEMs isolate, or is non-isolation just part of using IEMs? Also, couldn't I just use aftermarket eartips like >>65959045 suggested?
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>>65959118 (You)
>>65959045
Continuing:
Actually, this reddit thread covers the initial fallout pretty well.

https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/7vl40b/measurement_and_review_of_schiit_bifrost_multibit/

There's also this: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/measurement-and-review-of-schiit-bifrost-multibit-dac.2319/page-5#post-63657

Also Amir's reddit account is pretty good at being informative and describing why he says certain things. It continues a lot of the conversation: https://www.reddit.com/user/audiosciencereview
There's also a post somewhere where Amir takes down marv's response bit by bit but I can't find it for the life of me. If you really need it/other links, let me know and I'll continue looking.

The gist of the initial measurements is that Marv used a wyrd in front of the modi, which is why his measurements are different and better. He also didn't disclose up front that he was using a wyrd.
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>>65959132
How do you know he's a regular?
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>>65959283
he was flaming the thread when that first got posted, could be a different guy but he posts the same stuff
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>>65959257
most iems isolate better than headphones, and no one should be hearing your music, even if they're sitting right next to you. however, certain iems isolate outside noise better than others, and the etys are amazing at blocking out outside noise.
as for aftermarket tips, that's a whole new beast. most people agree than tips change the sound of iems, but as for specific combinations and what sounds you get, you'll have to do more research. I personally stick with stock tips and avoid "tip rolling" as the practice is called as I don't have the money to try out hundreds of tips to find my preferred sound, and I wouldn't want to drastically alter the stock sound too much, but feel free to experiment if you're interested,
However, these changes might even be minute, and unnoticeable without trained ears and concentration. I'm not so sure about the ER4s, but some iems are more sensitive to "tip-rolling" than others. I know I sound schizophrenic, but I would rather you get more information instead of making your decisions rashly and getting disappointed
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>>65959324
Believe me, I appreciate the information. So when you say the etys are amazing at blocking noise do you mean for IEMs or in general?
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new thread

>>65959392

>>65959392

>>65959392
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>>65959369
the etys are almost unmatched. the thing that makes etys uncomfortable for some people, their deep insertion, is also the thing that gives them their amazing noise isolation. they're basically earplugs that play music
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>>65959022
>ljokerl
He tends to favor a V-shape, and he knows this. He definitely has one of the largest catalogs of reviews around. He also bothers to organize the list, unlike some other busy reviewers.
>rankings
Well, I disagree with his assessment and preference.
The list is also old, and the IEM world changes very fast.
I don't think it's a particularly bad one, as far as a review catalog goes.
>Notes on isolation:
Silicone (filled shells) is better than acrylic (hollow shells) and deep/musician fit better than shallow.
Things like Etys with tri-flanges and foam tips beat acrylic in isolation, especially if the custom is shallow. Not sure about deep fit silicone.

>>65959022
Part of the reason it achieves such an un-possible SNR is that it has a very hot signal level. The signal level is typical of pro audio DACs, which are normally much higher voltage level than consumer products. I suspect the spec is A-weighted without saying so, but that would still be at the limit of the noise that the top analyzers can measure.
THD numbers like that are dependent on load termination, the load amp having sufficiently high input impedance. It's not totally out of the ordinary for high-end delta-sigma DACs to have ultra-low distortion, where the analyzer has to be carefully notch filtered to properly take measurements. But then, the DAC isn't driving much of a load.

>>65959161
>>65959118
I don't like tri-flanges, although the Etys are not the worst I've used.
Second-bend insertion poses its own comfort issues that other IEMs, even though there are multiple benefits to it.
The slim profile does offer some unique comfort value.
Tend to use Comply-T100 personally.
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>>65958308
Because audiophiles use music to listen to their gear and not the opposite.
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>>65959369
In-ears normally block more noise than headphones. But in-ears have more problems with the occlusion effect, which amplifies low-frequency noise. This is the booming noise usually associated with IEMs whenever you walk or jump or talk.
The way to minimize this is to insert the IEM to the second bend of the ear canal, where the bone is. Etymotics are designed for this, and the slim and long profile makes this about as easy as possible.
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>>65959402
>>65959466
>>65959562

I really appreciate all the info guys, thank you. Thinking it's between these etys and the oppo pm-3. Pretty different, i know. One thing I forgot to mention that >>65959562 reminded me about is I absolutely hate microphonics with IEMs. The etys don't seem that microphonic, so I'd be willing to give them a shot, but what do you guys think?
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>>65959273
I remember making the comment there that Schiit's USB implementation was bad before and that Marv may have used a regenerator or the like to clean up the input. The measurement seemed suspicious given Marv's comments, and it looks like it was.
Vindication feels good.

>>65959709
>microphonics with IEMs
It's not called microphonics. Microphonics refers to something else, like what happens when you tap a tube amp. This is just cable noise.
Ety cables have traditionally been problematic in the past, given their stiffness. 4SR/4XR cable is more flexible. Still, you want to loop the wire over the ear or use a shirt clip for that.
What I do is have the angled stem point down, and loop over the front of the ear.
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>>65959853
Thanks. How do you think it compares to an over ear like the pm-3?
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>>65960054
Etys beat every single headphone for isolation, provided they fit correctly. I know that lots of people have trouble fitting, especially if they don't stockpile tips. Comply tips in the right size usually fit easily, but they wear down fast.
As for the sound, the 4SR and 4XR tend to diffuse field and DF plus bass, respectively, if you have any idea what that means. They're intended to be very close to what is thought as neutral in the midrange and highs. The 4XR adds a few dB more bass.
PM3 is tuned with more bass response, and it has a general downward slope with more lows than highs. Some peaking around 8-10kHz. If you know what the MSR7 is like, it has a similar sound, but with more bass and isolation. Small headphone.

Although, I don't about getting a PM3 now. Try not to spend too much time deciding on that one.
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>>65960228

>tend to diffuse field and DF plus bass, respectively, if you have any idea what that means
No idea, but I would love to learn.

> I don't about getting a PM3 now
I assume since Oppo is out of business? True, but there are many sellers on ebay from foreign markets, usually east asia, who are selling new models.
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>>65952924
why didn't he just get a boat? where is he going to shower? that small space will get old fast.
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>>65960338
A repost
>A diffuse sound field is when the sound is of equal energy from all directions at once. You would not be able to identify a specific sound source by loudness.
>Diffuse field is the older reference standard, and the most common singular one referenced by measurements. It was set as the standard by Günther Theile and other like-minded fellows (one of them Mead Killion of Etymotic) in the 1980's as the natural conclusion of a target based on how they understood hearing.
>The assumption is that the headphone robs the ear of the [usual] direction specific characteristics, much in the way as the diffuse field does.
>Much more recently, Sean Olive and Todd Welti proposed a target curve based on subjective feedback and user selected equalization. The curve resembles a diffuse field target with less treble and more bass. Compensation based on Olive's work is the other common method, although I do not believe most of the common measurements* exactly follow it.
>Etymotic IEMs are generally designed around the diffuse field target, and the ER4B (4SR, MK5, and 4XR a bit less) follows it well.
Olive's target is a target made by statistical preference, but not necessarily of one listener.
Oppo PM3 is closer to Olive's goal.


*There are measurement oddities specific to IEMs that can be a problem with IEC 711-spec couplers. This problem is made worse by DIY measurements without that level of gear.
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>>65958904
if you own a decent speaker amp you can use the woo wee to power them, it's only $500
according to zeos at least, it sounds the same as the 353X energizer




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