which and why
Without even knowing what these are it is obvious that the one on the right is more functional and the one on the left seemed to place engineering priority on a bunch of pointless retarded lights, aka aesthetics. And you're a fucking moron if you care about the aesthetics of your midi controller.
>>66339405Frogpad for one handed typing
>>66339503>Without even knowing what these are it is obvious that the one on the right is more functional/g/ in a fucking nutshell. You are a goddamned moron who is talking out of his ass. They are MIDI controllers. They're both equally functional and focus on different aspects of playing. The one on the left uses arcade-style buttons which means much improved accuracy and lowered latency but lacks velocity sensitivity. The one on the right uses rubber pads with no travel, which means it has velocity sensitivity but is prone to double-triggering, missed triggers and ghost triggers. The one on the left features four banks, the one on the right only has 3, although the one on the right has MIDI-encodable knobs (although those knobs are totally unmarked so you have to look at your computer screen to see what you're doing, and there's no backlight on the knobs.)Furthermore, they both have an equal amount of lights, the one on the left is just smaller. Fucking Christ. You made a choice simply based on cosmetics. This is why everyone hates newfags and this is why /g/ is the worst board.
>>66339805>aesthetics of your midi controllerI think anon is/was fully aware that these are midi controllers. He was being facetious anon. You know sarcasm.
>>66339405How do you make 24 tones with only 16 keys?
Ableton Push /thread
>>66339833They are for atonal sounds like drums. They're not really built for synthesis manipulation.
>>66339842Gross. Far too many buttons than can be useless, only compatible with Ableton Live which is a toy DAW, buttons are tiny and of poor quality. You don't get to /thread your own posts. That's not your decision to make. \thread.
>>66339833I'm assuming with "function" overlap?
>>66339842the ableton push is fucking retarded. it's complete garbage. NOBODY, and i do mean nobody, actually uses all those integrated features, because, surprise, it's easier to do it with a mouse, and for actually performing via midi, there are far superior and cheaper devices.the ableton push is for total suckers.
>>66339851ableton push is garbage, but ableton live is not a 'toy daw' anymore than anything else.
>>66339907The only DAWs worse than Ableton Live are FL Studio, followed by GarageBand.
>>66339405I still own/use the BOSS Dr. Sampler
>>66339405none, i play real instruments.
>>66340550MIDI controllers are real instruments. They are tools you use to make music; i.e. instruments.
>>66340566*a challenger approaches*
>>66339405The AKAI ones have latency issues, I have one and there's a bout a 200ms delay between hitting it and it actually registering it
>>66339405>posting technology with actual use outside wanking over it on /g/I politely invite you to go to >>>/mu/, you're not gonna get any good answers here.
>>66340590*get on my level, Wasabi*
>>66340598>/mu/ >knowledgeable about anything that's a hearty kek, mu is a cosmic cancer abomination Its quite literally >>>/r/eddit at this point
>>66340631>mu is a cosmic cancer abomination i thought it was /v/
>>66340566I work for Focusrite in the UK.
>>66340631/prod/ actually has a lot of knowledge about this type of stuff. And better taste to boot. Posts like >>66339503 would never have been allowed to happen in /prod./
>>66339937that's just ignorant. FL studio is the most powerful DAW in existence, with a better scripting system than pro tools.
>>66340684Too many normalfags on mu though, I can barely go there anymore, and /g/ just has a lot of retards who post about shit they don't understand
>>66339405> This thread again
>>66340687>FL studio is the most powerful DAW in existence
>>66340575No they are instruments but they aren't real instruments, they don't produce sound by themselves.
>>66340575>>66341070to further clarify they play sounds but don't produce sounds, might sound like cherry picking but it's actually a key difference.
>>66341070An instrument doesn't need to produce sound on its own to be considered "real." Just as an electric guitar doesn't need to be plugged into an amplifier to still be considered a "real" instrument.
>>66341132>buttons clicking isn't sound
Plebs, novation circut is the god amongst midi controller pads. 2 built in analog synths, 128 custom sample, synth editor, full midi compatible. It does everything.
>>66339405none because pads are only usefull to do some meme Youtube videos showing your skill at pressing some buttonNo interest for music production since you'll be manage all your sound directly in your DAW, a pad will only make you losing time If you want to get bitches learn to git gud with some real instruments faggot
>>66341544>No interest for music production since you'll be manage all your sound directly in your DAW, a pad will only make you losing timeI can audibly hear the Asian in this post.
>>66341544Have fun clicking in notes individually to "save time" (and come up with stale and robotic sequences as a result.)
personally, when it comes to playing midi drums, i like those arcade style buttons rather than rubber pad buttons. the rubber pads likely have velocity sensitivity though, if you're into that. potentiometers are nice if you have use for real time modulation, and those program select buttons would probably be handy.I personally would go with the more simple device with arcade buttons. just my style though, the akai is undoubtedly more functional though
>>66341576have fun playing for hour with your new toyif you dont know how to produce non-robotic sequence with your DAW you shouldnt invest in more gear
none, grow up you fucking child
>>66341544>none because pads are only usefull to do some meme Youtube videos showing your skill at pressing some buttonstopped reading. this shit isn't for making videos. computer keyboards are better suited for making meme videos about pressing buttons. >>66341608playing pad drums really isn't very different from playing actual drums. I am an actual drummer and I will freely admit this.
>>66339405The AKAI.I use Ableton and the AKAI works better, has more options, has mixer dials, and doesn't look like ass.
you know, most professional drummers these days don't even record with mics.they put triggers on their kits and record it all as midi, to add sounds to in post-production. You can get better sounds by isolating drums and recording them individually for a sample library than trying to record a whole drum set at once. essentially they're just using a very very expensive midi pad setup
>>66340915>>66340687>fl studio is the most powerfulAll DAWs are the same, it's what you do with it.And FL Studio visually looks like a kids' toy.Try again.
>>66341750FL Studio is not 'the most powerful DAW in existence.' FL Studio is the ONLY DAW AVAILABLE that has compatibility problems with half the VSTs you load into it. FL Studio has a shit-tier Photoshop-type workflow. FL Studio is utter irredeemable trash.
>>66339405Truthfully, I'm partial to the original Akai MPD16 and M-Audio Trigger Finger. I sold my MPD and every time I try to get my hands on a Trigger Finger it gets sold. So I have the next best thing (sorta); An M-Audio Axiom 25.
>>66341750>And FL Studio visually looks like a kids' toy.I felt the same way back in the FL 3.x days. And then I actually tried using it after 4.0 dropped. I haven't stopped using it since. It's really fucking good. Now, I can't speak on 12 'cause I'm still on 10 and see no real need to upgrade yet, but I prefer doing most things in FL. For everything else, I use Sonar 8 (haven't found a real need to upgrade Sonar either)
>>66339937>The only DAWs worse than Ableton LiveAbleton is god tier
>>66341983REAPER is God-tier. Ableton is acceptable-tier at BEST.
>all these plebiansTrackers or go home, amateurs.
>>66341983You are correct
>>66342189Reaper is aiight. Not great but it works and will get the job done if that's all you had to use.
>>66342189I have used reaper i like it>>66341983>>66341881fl studio very underrated but i am biased because ihave been using it for a long timefor "serious" projects i use protools because i have to, everyone else in the industry uses it, but when i'm making stuff myself i actually use cubase or fl studioreaper is really good too and i used it back when i had no money, very capable DAW, i just find cubase easier to work in.
>>66341811It is. It's a pure kids' toy.
YOU ARE ALL FUCKING RETARDED.ALL DAWS ARE THE SAME. YOU COULD USE AUDACITY IF YOU WANTED TO. IT'S ABOUT COMFORTABILITY, WORK FLOW, AND WHAT YOU DO WITH IT.
>>66341544I play multiple instruments, including guitar bass mandolin keyboard piano organ etci have played in rock bands in front of audiences of 500-700 or soyou do get girls but they arent really worth it, total roastiesi enjoy fucking around with my DAWs and midi shit much more than playing live these daysbut when i was younger it makes sensei started guitar when i was 13 and was playing live in just a couple years so lots of teen high school pussy but really not that good in retrospect desu.total waste of time lack of creative expression
>>66342610audacity isnt a daw really
>>66339805>>66339822questionhonestlyquestionif you're recording stuff or arranging stuffhow precise do you really needyou can just fix it as the notes come up on the piano roll or w/e before you finish the songyou dont need to "perform" with it, you just record something better with it.also /g/ is very very far from being the worst board.
Looks like a descriptor of a DAW to me.
>>66342610They're not the same at all. And Audacity is just an editor, it's not a DAW.
>>66342802>editorIt's right there in the description. a DAW these days (and really since the late 90's) encompasses sequencing, virtual instruments/fx, etc. Audacity is the poorfags SoundForge, WaveLab, or Audition.
>>66342894>poorfagsI would say Audacity is more-so geared towards freetards.Poorfags just pirate Audition.
>>66342283that's really just max4live
>>66339805t. buttflustered wannabe DJ
>>66342894>>66342923You're looking for LMMS for a freetarded DAW solution in the "modern" sense of the word
>>66342687>You don't need to "Perform" with itYou're aware that's one of the points of these rightIf you're just recording and making it better later why not use a keyboard xd
>>66342948LMMS has a horrible UI.People comfy in it are mentally retarded.Equal none-the-less.
>>66339805>being this butthurt
>>66340687>t. 14 yo soundcloud rapper
>>66339405Akai. looks better built and looks like it would have better tactile feedback from the buttons and knobs.
>>66339805>being this upset about comments on a thai basket weaving java clubs anime forum
I'd love to play around with one, but I've no composing skills, and I know nothing of music theory or song structure. Maybe I'd just prefer a mini keyboard with some knobs and wheels.
>>66339405Any rgb mechanical keyboard better than a midi fighter.
>>66342610>Audacity is the same as Ableton is the same as FL Studio
>>66342687>if you're recording stuff or arranging stuff>how precise do you really needif you're playing a video game, honestly, how "precise" do you need your controllers to be? you can just play again if something goes wrong.
>>66343469>I know nothing of music theory or song structure.Neither does Aphex Twin.
>>66343234never choose a device because it looks better.
>>66342941you know drums tend to appear in many styles of music other than shitty EDM, right?a lot of your favorite rock bands have used drum machines. Loveless only has one (1) track with drums played by a human. The same applies to melt banana's album 'fetch.' beach house pulled it off. the radio dept. pulled it off. cocteau twins did it. midi drums are not limited to just DJs.
>>66342687>>66342941>>66343125>>66343250>This much damage control with no actual responsesHmm...
>>66339405akai because it looks like an actual pro tool not a shiny plastic christmas tree decoration
>>66339405Cuckstep is dead and you are a fag, now back to >>>/mu/
>>66339627Point is to use a mouse and keyboard at the same time.I don't masturbate at the computer any more, it makes the office area associated with sexual arousal which leads to a messy, distracting workspace.
>>66343469I took some music theory in college as an elective, and it hurt more than it helped. For about a year after that I couldn't come up with anything because I felt like I had to stay in "the rules" of composition. Eventually I said "fuck it" and started just playing what I heard in my head. The hardest part was thinning the disconnect between what I thought and what I played. It happened though.>TL;DRGo for it, Anon. Get yourself an AKAI LPK25 and dick around. They're not too expensive and I've owned a couple. The first worked great until my ex wife shoved into a bag without unplugging it, snapping the USB connector off.
>>66342962>>66345305>>66345400>play videogame>make mistake, 150ms difference or so>die>have to play level over again, lose 10+ minutes of trying>be in DAW>record synth lead>make a mistake, 150ms difference or so>keep going, everything else gets recorded>go back and find the one midi input note that was not what I wanted to be>doubleclick it and change the duration / start time / end time / whatever i messed upyou guys are really fucking retarded if you dont see the difference
>>66343469i bought a keystation mini 32 used its pretty neat just to fuck around withi recommend playing with MASSIVE, lots of cool sounds in there
>>66339503You’re a fucking moron.The midifighter is more than just flashing lights, every single one of the face buttons can be programmed either play a loop, change to a sub-bank of other loops, or act as a trigger for stuff like quantization, incrementing modulation, velocity, etc.The buttons at the top that you think are lights, are for setting 4 different preset functions for almost anything, of which you can program to change per sub-bankFurthermore, by having a digital signal versus an analog signal, you can guarantee that a press on one of the buttons gives a sound — the mpd is velocity sensitive, meaning that a light tap can actually play a loop with next to no volumeThe midifighter is for the performer that already did all of the work for a set ahead of time for proper mixing, sound quality, balance, volume, and loop libraries.The mpd is for the performer who wants to mix his set live and doesn’t have all of the stuff that a midifighter performer already had figured out.they’re neither better nor worse from each other, just meant for different people
>>66342610audacity very clearly lacks piano roll controls... just because it supports midi recording doesn’t mean it supports midi i/o or correctionit’s non linear audio editor, not a fullfledged daw
>>66339833sub-banks, or triggers for modulation?
>>66342948What about Ardour?
>>66339405The Midifighter Twister
>>66341708Poorfag that can't build a real studio with proper acoustics and sound isolation detected
>>66347276Ardour is Good Enough TM
>>66346323>play video game>die>try again>waste time>make music>shitload of ghost notes and missed triggers>go back to fix it (if it's not beyond repair)>spent time mousing in notes, adjusting velocity to make it seem more natural, etc etc>waste timeall roads lead to the same path.
>>66347385That's not the same thing. It's not used for the same thing.Buttons and pads are for production. Knobs are for parameters; mixing, controlling synth adjusts, etc
I have the Akai and it has a slight issue with double triggering on some of the centre pads. It's really easy to fix in your DAW or by loosening the screws on the back ever so slightly.Really good drum pad otherwise.
>>66339805But hes right, its about the product design in this case.
>>66348979yeah but he's thinking solely in visual design. "the one on the left looks more like a thinkpad so that one."
>>66339503why even reply?
>>66346507who is this even for?
>>66349019He literally said that one is more multi-functional at a tool. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%E2%80%93computer_interaction#Perceptual_principleshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface#1968%E2%80%93present:_Graphical_User_Interface
>>66349054some questions can be answered with out specialist knowledge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_priori_and_a_posteriori
>>66349054He didn't say "more multi-functional." He said "more functional." And it really isn't all that "multi-functional" at all because of the fact that the knobs are essentially useless. They're infinity turners with no starting or stopping point, unmarked completely and black on black with no backlight, making them impossible to see in the dark.Not very optimal.
I've got no on hands experience with either but based on durability I'd probably choose the midi fighter, assuming it uses sanwa switches, they're pretty much the most ubiquitous arcade switches for a reason;built like a tank, reliable and consistent. I've read about pad double trigger issues on the MPD218, I don't think akai uses the same pads as they do in their MPC live and premium controllers. If you must have velocity then the MPD218 might be the cheapest option there is, but I'd spend a little more and get something like a launchpad pro, or even a used maschine mk1/mk2(purely as midi controller w/o komplete 11) for the better drum pads. Or a push 2 if you use ableton, best of both worlds, overpriced at retail though.
>>66349054>>66349227and the Midi Fighter has hidden parameter control via gyroscopes. Not all that useful, but neither are the knobs. So that makes them about even
>>66349238>Not all that useful, but neither are the knobs.endless encoders are fucking awesome, one of the only selling points of the mpd218 for me. i hate having to fiddle/reset with all the knobs when i flip through projects, gimme endless encoders and automated faders.
White man's pad controller
>>66349049People build some pretty neat puredata/max patches for those things, this one is extraordinarily large though.
>>66339405Why not both? Midi fighter for when you're sure you'll need accuracy, mpk mini for when you need velocity.