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/mkg/ - Happy Clacking Edition

>Buyer's template:
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>Where to Buy:
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>Use the buyer's template
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>Group Buys
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https://www.massdrop.com/
>Keyboard wiki
https://deskthority.net/wiki/Main_Page
>Keyset wiki
http://keypuller.com (https://web.archive.org/web/20161101152119/http://keypuller.com/)

Last Thread >>66635425

>News
nothing much really, just geekhack drama
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>>66678148
keyboards are for boomers
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>>66678252
computers are for boomers
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I just ordered this

Varmilo Z104M

good price, and it looks okay
hopefully it's not shit
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>>66678296
what's a computer? you sound like a boomer
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Anyone here bother learning colemak? Was it worth the effort?
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>>66678148
god i wish that were me holding the pink one
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>tfw typing on cherry mx switches
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Just got my box whites

Can confirm they are amazing
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Rhino is a qt
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>>66677421
Yeah, I've used ANSI layouts throughout my whole life, I'm fine with it.
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>buy my first mechanical keyboard
>not getting enough (You)s to get good use out of it

Feelsbadman
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>>66678802
RATE NOW! 0 to 10! GOOGOOGOOGOGO!
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>>66678148
Does that `girl`on the right have armpit hair?
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>>66679317
8.5

Wish they were a bit more tactile, but they're really, really good.
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Can anybody here who has experience with Ergodox comment on sculpted keys vs uniform keys? I have no idea which is better.
For reference, I plan on using them with the closer-end elevated, kind of like a Kinesis Advantage2. (Will that even work well?)
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>>66679938
Sculpted is better than a uniform profile to be honest. DSA makes sense for something with curved columns like a kinesis, dactyl, etc.
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cherry based keyboards lag 30ms
filco based keyboards lag 30ms
topre based keyboards lag 55ms

your niche diy/rare keyboard probably lags 60ms

0.2ms 30$ red/blue switch keyboards have existed for 2 years.

get with the times time to upgrade that 300$ you wasted on shit.
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>>66680157
more info for you to cry over
https://danluu.com/keyboard-latency/
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ordering an HHKB because I like how it sounds and the layout motivates me to get better at vim!

reply ONLY to support my purchasing decision (:
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my first mechanical keyboard! a GMMK with speed navy thick clicks and some transparent keycaps to hold me over til the ones i ordered off massdrop get here.
im loving it so far, thanks /mkg/ for infecting me with your autism and making me upgrade from a cheap logitech chiclet keyboard.
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>>66678099
Either the good beamspring, or a 107 key 4704.

>>66678109
Isn't the 5231 or whatever supposedly better?

>>66678802
What are whites again?
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>>66678614
Workman master race
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>>66680157
>>66680160
ok but which are they
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>>66678252
true
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>>66680157
>tfw typing on 30ms switches
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https://kck.st/2tWmJlG
Should I buy this? It's a full mechanical keyboard with optical keys that lets you give analog input on every key by mimicking controller inputs. The stem are Cherry MX cap compatible.
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>>66680011
I type on an ergodox since at least 1 year and a half, can confirm. Is anybody here from Switzerland and can borrow me a Kinesis Advantage?
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>>66680755
I've tried both and the 3278 feels better
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>>66681823
Are you the guy that went to the new york meetup thingy?
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I plannig to buy the "AUKEY KM-G8"

Is it a good choice?
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>Location
USA
>Preferred switch type
Browns will do blues are proving to be slightly too heavy
>Layout
ANSI
>Form factor
TKL numpad is too big
>Backlight
Yes
>Previous/current keyboards
Steelseries with cherry reds and currently using a flico with cherry blues
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Is ortholinear a meme? What about ergodex
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>>66678148

Anyone done the research on the best keyboard available in eastern europe (poland)? I like the look of filco and ducky but can't find them anywhere. Is overpaying for shipping my only choice?
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>>66683469
Split ortho is objectively better than staggered. Curved is even better.
Non-split ortho (like a Plank) is highly subjective, I personally like it a lot but it's not for everyone.
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End game keyboard, get this if you want no regrets.
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>>66683561
>flat non-split layout
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>>66680755
>Isn't the 5231 or whatever supposedly better?
Nope. 3278 has the better layout and better caps. Thomas just says the 5231 is better because it's the one he was able to buy and own. The man is not immune to the same leanings as the rest of us.
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>>66682487
I planning to answer you.

is it a good choice?
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>>66682196
Yes, other people also said the same thing too
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>>66681437
too early, let the technology mature first.
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>>66681437
>not asking them to make a separate numpad/macropad with full switch range instead
gaymers are stupid
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>>66679461
dude, pls
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>>66678296
>boomers
Not an argument.
Also, when did boomer become an insult?
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>>66679227
>I've used ANSI layouts throughout my whole life, I'm fine with it.
I grew up with ANSI but switched to ISO for a rather weird reason: I resented that extra-huge key between backspace and enter on the ANSI keyboard. I mean, wtf man, wtf.
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>>66680755
>the good beamspring
Oh yeah. There's a nice one on Deskthority right now for sale, but its probably already priced up over a thousand USD.
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>>66680160
>more info for you to cry over
>https://danluu.com/keyboard-latency/
Meh. If you are just typing into websites — and who hasn't thought of this use case — then you'll do just fine even with a 60ms lag. You won't notice it. Your brain will cover for the lag quite nicely.

It's only the gamers who will suffer.
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Filco Majestitouch 2 broke on me, now using old Ducky Shine. Both have blue switches. Any recommendations on something to replace the Filco with?
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>>66680565
Heyyy, fellow GMMK user. It's nice, isn't it? It is so easy to swap out the keys on this puppy.

Here's mine. Miami Keycaps (doubleshot ABS) on top of Kailh BOX Whites.
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>>66681437
>>66681437
>>66681437
I can't help but notice that you're using your reseller code instead of a real link. That makes you a spammer in this thread.
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>>66680755
>What are whites again?
Kailh BOX Whites are 45g clicky switches with the innovative click bar. Surely you've watched the YT video all about them?
https://youtu.be/2_Z2G0aKl80
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>>66684885
Thought something was fishy with using a truncated link.
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>>66684227
>>66684536
I have no idea who Thomas is, I'm just bad at remembering numbers. Thanks for the info.
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>>66684925
I know about the box switches but I didn't really pay much attention to the ones without a heavy clickbar.
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>>66685064
He only posted his spammy discount code twice on 4chan, which does show a surprising amount of restraint.
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>>66680803
is this the assblasted mod?
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>>66685138
>I know about the box switches but I didn't really pay much attention to the ones without a heavy clickbar.
Oh yeah, I have both a Kailh BOX Blue and a BOX Jade in my switch tester. They are STIFF keys. Like, woah stiff!

They remind me of ancient beige keyboards from the 1980s which had mechanically latching Caps Lock keys. They are that stiff.
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>>66685175
Yeah I just finished replacing the gateron blues on my tada68 with jades, it's much heavier to press but sounds and feels orgasmic. A real clack-clack-clack as opposed to the virgin tick-tick-tick of normal MX style switches. Navies are way too heavy though - I put one under my spacebar because why not, but I wouldn't type on them.

Do you know if whites have the same clickbar as pinks/bronze? I have some of those, and speed aside I'm not particularly impressed. Like, it's good, and probably a bit better than the traditional clicky slider, but nothing to be terribly excited about.
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>>66685267
>Do you know if whites have the same clickbar as pinks/bronze?
I dunno about the pinks, but I have the bronze as well. They seem wimpier, but it's hard to tell if that is due to the spring inside or to the click bar itself. My guess is Kailh only has two weightings of click bar, so yeah, the bronze probably has the same click bar as the whites.

The jades are really nice, but even in my switch tester, I can feel my fingers getting tired after just a few presses. I prefer the low weights more myself, 45g ideally, 55g if I have to.
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>>66685343
Pink is literally bronze with a different slider colour, nothing interesting.
>I prefer the low weights more myself, 45g ideally, 55g if I have to.
Isn't Jade rated at 60g? And Navy at 80, which is obviously far too heavy. But 60g is almost 55g.
I liked "glide-typing" on my gat blues as well, but I'm really enjoying clacking on these jades. To each their own I guess.
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>>66684762
Boomers have always been hated. It's a gen z thing
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How is the Vortex RACE 3?
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>>66685849
I liked it but I got mine with browns so it's been sitting in it's box for a few months.
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>>66679670
try pale blues now
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Can I get a recommendation on a good gaming pad for FPS? I use a Model M and repeating keystrokes take a suffering.
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>>66680157
https://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime/ I'd like to see yours
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>>66685923
whats wrong with browns
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>>66685985
Vinnie's macropad that was linked several times recently, maybe someone can post the link again
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>>66678296
Sounds like something a boomer would say
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>>66686012
>tries ddg once
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>>66686012
>was linked several times
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/21-Key/32812732361.html
Do you mean this? If so I'd feel bad for remembering when it was posted
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>>66686003
I don't like them. Too mushy. I would rather have more tactility or linear. But it was my first non gaymer mech so I learned I will never get browns again.
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>>66679938
sculpted caps = better ergonomics
uniform caps = can put caps wherever and it won't be weird
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>>66683190
if you need the space but still like a numpad, the masterkeys pro m has a numpad for the nav cluster and you can swap between them.
there's an option for cherry brown and it is backlit
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>>66679938
>>>/mlp/
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>>66680761
How do you deal with basically no kecap sets supporting workman? Just get a uniform profile? Or leave the board with qwerty caps?
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>>66685849
A very nice keyboard. I got mine with browns too, and I’m in love.
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>>66686012
Im looking for an actual gaming pad tho
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>>66686639
What does it matter? I've got qwerty, blank, and uniform sets, as well as runic canvas XDA on order, it's not like it makes any difference when typing.
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>>66686749
What's an "actual gaming pad" for you? Mine has more keys than the razer hand thingy, speed switches everywhere, and even different switches on WASD. It's literally only for gaming.

If that's not enough for you just buy the razer PoS, maybe replace the switches if you care
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>>66686817
He clearly needs to look down at the keys still.
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>>66686817
Yea I guess. Still would be nice to have the keycaps actually match the layout you're using.
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>>66686094
Is this thing nice build quality wise and as far as basic programmability goes? Could use a nice cheap numpad like that if it is
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>>66687121
It's normal acrylic. The tolerances are good, the case is pretty smooth once assembled. The PCB is sturdy and neat but half the underglow diode symbols are backwards for some reason (literally just test before you solder to get the direction right and you're good). The most noticeable "flaw" on mine is that the left foot in pic related is slightly off-centre (it's not perspective, it's actually like that), which doesn't actually change anything in practice.

That said I ordered the kit and assembled it myself so I can't comment on the quality of their building and soldering.
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>>66684262
thanks
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>>66678148
HA!
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>>66686116
just skip cherry switches altogether
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>>66687434
Why? Poor builds?
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>>66685849
Mine just arrived today with blues, first impression is great so far would recommend.
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>>66687446
cherry switches are like filco keyboards
they used to be one of the very few offerings available so people had no choice but to get them but these days there are a ton of switches that offer better tactility, smoother presses or a more satisfying sound at either the same price or less (or in some cases more but then they're way better)
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>>66687416
Ha!
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>>66678614
If you can't touch type yet, LEARNCOLEMAK it is so much easier to touch type with it your fingers don't have to do 360s and 180s just because the layout is retarded.

however if you already touch type it is going to be painful for a little improvement.
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>>66687496
Wow. That' autistic.
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>>66687541
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>>66687434
Oh yeah, I have since then. Waiting for some navies to come in.
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What do you think about this.
It's based on preonic but a little more ergonomic, and added 2 keys because my thumbs would be bored.
The thumb keys are positioned by printing out designs and putting my hand on them.
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>>66687714
I started out with staggered columns also but then I realized it would fuck up WASD too much.
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>>66687714
Just get an atreus62 to be honest familia.
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>>66687727
yep that seems pretty close to what I designed, except it has staggered columns.
Also I'm designing it from the ground up to save money, so why not customize it a little. So far it seems the whole thing will cost under $60
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>>66687765
You could just get the atreus plate cut yourself and hand wire it. I'd suggest a columnar stagger over a straight grid honestly.
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>>66687261
Sounds like it's worth a pick up then, thanks.
Just gotta figure out which switches to put in there now
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>>66683190
>>66686374
Looks good should've mentioned that I have no buget cap
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>>66684861
yeah i really like it, although to be fair this is my first mechanical keyboard so what do i know. i did specifically get a gmmk because i wanted a swapable switch board that i could buy with no switches already so i could put in whatever meme switch caught my eye, such as the speed navy thick clicks i went with, they are really heavy, short, and very clicky
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>>66680477
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Hey guys, I'm just posting my project keyboard. I use emacs for work, so I wanted to modify my keyboard to help reduce the strain of so-called "emacs pinky." I have some more pictures.
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Here's the matrix for the keyboard. I need to "read" this to figure out where the new switches should lead.
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>>66689599
fuck off blogger
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I relocated the keys to a position where I don't have to use my pinky. I had to make new switches since I couldn't relocate the plastic sheet switches.
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are the corsair strafes any good compared to a k70?
also, are the cherry mx silent switches a significant reduction in noise vs other mx switches or is it just a marketing meme?

t. nonproductive gamer
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Here's the bottom of the new switch. The switch works by bridging the gap in the foil.
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>>66678148
Nice booth bugs.
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>>66689624
neither corsair or logitech are good

get o rings
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Here's the bottom of the keys. I used card stock to make the circular piece, and covered them with foil.
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>>66689638
This is still a membrane keyboard and not a mechanical one.
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I had to fashion a back for the keys to be pressed against. I used some pop tin and crudely cut it out, covering it with paper to insulate it.
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>>66680477
excellent choice anon
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>>66679303
Heres a (you) my friend.
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>>66689730
how do I know which HHKBs are legitimate on Amazon to buy?
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>>66689794
don't know. many years ago you could buy them straight from japan with free shipping, I haven't been paying attention since I got mine.
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>>66689811
I checked .com since I get a 10% discount there but I'll search .jp
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>>66689832
amazon stopped doing free foreign shipping
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>>66687714
Honestly staggered columns are better, so I'd just get an atreus. How are you getting this under $60 though? I'm intrigued now.
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>try blues
>pros: light enough to glide type, not bottoming out and putting zero strain on my fingers
>cons: The Virgin "Tick"
>try box jades
>pros: The Chad "Clack"
>cons: heavy enough that I have to put physical effort into typing

Does something that's the best of both worlds exist? Something that's satisfying in terms of click and tactility, but light enough to allow light typing without bottoming out.
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>>66690025
box pale blues are about as heavy as cherry mx blues
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>>66690058
Pale blues are heavier m8.
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>>66690058
Oh nice. They're thin clickbar though, but I'll check them out anyway.
What's the difference between pale blue and white again?
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>>66690092
>What's the difference between pale blue and white again?
The former has a heavier spring in it.
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>>66686847
One that's designed for left hand use, has thumb contorls, and a comfy pad to rest my wrist on.

Yes, like the razor shit.
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>>66690091
you must be thinking of some other switch
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>>66690140
>total energy
>195gfmm vs 174gfmm
That means it's heavier.
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>>66690164
you're retarded m8
sorry I had to say it
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>>66690178
>chart that clearly show that pale blues are heavier than mx blues
>no u
Got me good there m8.
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>>66690199
>ignoring the margin of error
whatever you say dummy
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>>66690221
Whatever margin of error there is would apply equally to both switches measured then. And pale blues are still the heavier switch.
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>>66690130
> One that's designed for left hand use
Like mine
> has thumb contorls, and a comfy pad to rest my wrist on.
Since by thumb controls you clearly mean more than a spacebar or a few keys, then your only choice really is going to be prebuilt gamer trash. Look for chinkshit on Aliexpress if you want something cheaper than razer, keeping in mind a lot of the cheaper ones will be rubber domes instead of mechanicals.
By the way the razer one doesn't actually have a joystick (it's just 8 buttons basically). The Logitech one does but its keys are rubberdome. Pick your poison or, again, find a chink that does better.

Alternatively, see if an Ergodox half has enough thumb buttons for your taste. There are some very nice wrist rests you can get for it if so. I think the Ergodox Infinity can have independent halves, or just basically build it yourself and put the controller in the left hand.
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>>66690235
wrong again
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>>66679461
In China they don't shave. Same here in Germany. I was surprised to see all the obsession with shaving in other countries.
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>>66690305
>Same here in Germany
not sure what kind of hippie commune you're from but most young women around here shave their armpits
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>>66690305
the thing that i really don't get about western sensibilities is why's it all so all or nothing

it's like you're either wild and untamed jungle, or smooth as a baby, does no-one just get a trimmer and make it look neat and presentable without full removal? seriously
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>>66690025
Kailh box whites
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>>66690360
The thing that goes along with that that I don't get is when it comes to dicks.
>hurr let's chop off the most sensitive part of the male body because running water over your dick is hard
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>>66690381
oh it's so much dumber than that

America's obsession with circumcision comes from a puritan called John Harvey Kellogg who thought sex was the literal devil

so he came up with a three step plan to stop all masturbation once and for all:
step 1: feed children a bowl of Kellogg's Corn Flakes for breakfast every day so the bland tastelessness would prepare them for rejecting earthly desires
step 2: remove the foreskins of all baby boys so masturbation is more difficult
step 3: pour acid onto the clitoris of every baby girl so they can never feel sexual pleasure in their life

thankfully step 3 never really caught on like corn flakes and circumcision
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>>66690426
You're forgetting why it did catch on, which is how much kikes make from it. Shit is a billion dollar industry.
And no, not thankfully it didn't catch on for girls, if it had it would be banned for both genders by now.
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>>66690426
Corn flakes are the shit, and as someone circumcised (for medical reasons, not due to kikery) I have never had any trouble whatsoever masturbating. I mean I never got to experience it with foreskin to compare, but what I do know is that if this was supposed to discourage masturbation then it's a pretty dramatic failure.

Also >>66690455, it really is the kikes promoting this shit, regardless of who started it.
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>>66690324
Let me guess, Berlin?
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>>66690524
Kellog meant for it to be done after a boy had been caught jerking off to associate masturbation with pain for the kid. Even he didn't want to do it to babies.
I could go on for hours about the psychological effects such trauma (by far the most pain any mutilated man has felt in their life, tons of babies die from blood loss and shock every year) has on an infant, and why kikes would want to inflict it on americans desu.
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>>66690324
you're probably from some hipster southern city, I'm from Hamburg and close to no girls shave armpits and legs.
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why are you not using box jades?
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>>66684861
I've never used a GMMK but I have a board with hotswap sockets. I assume it has a regular plate so I'm wondering if you have any issues taking the BOX switches out. my tool was pressing the clips in the switch in all the way and it still didn't release, it took a lot of force and the clips got torn up in the process.
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>>66690892
Because I'm using royals with navy springs in them.
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>>66690892
because i own navys
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>>66690892
Because I have Navys on the way.
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>>66690892
I don't like clicky keys all that much
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>>66685849

Build quality is solid. Key spacing is somewhat non-conventional. I always was fat-fingering things while touch typing on it.

I ended up putting it in the drawer and eventually just giving it to a co-worker. That being said the company offers free mechanical keyboards > 200 of your choice and he hasn't ordered a different one so I suspect he likes it quite a bit.

I got mine with cherry blues for reference.
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>>66680477
I've had one for 4 years now. I hate typing on anything else. I use it for at least 50 hours a week and wouldn't use anything else for that duration.
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Pok3r with Cherry Clears

Best keyboard I have ever had. Small enough to fit in my laptop bag. I take it with me everywhere I use a computer.
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Need some help. Does anyone know how to enter DFU (Bootloader) Mode with the LFKpad? Trying to flash it
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>>66692040
Is there not a reset switch you can hit on the back of the PCB?
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>>66683561
I want a type s, the fact that it triggers people so much is a plus. Should I go blanks or legends?
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>>66692058
I suppose so. It's already put together so I'll just have to unscrew everything then. I thought there would be a way to do it without the pcb but I'll just do that. Thanks!
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>>66692078
If you really want you could drill a small hole in the case so you could hit the reset switch with a pin in the future.
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>>66691957
eyyyyyyyy, protip swap fn with capslock and its basically an hhkb with mx switches
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>>66680157
>lag poster keeps posting every other thread
>t. he's physically more laggy to shill on threads than any keyboard
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>>66692106
There is a dip switch that accomplishes that.
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Sorry I'm being retarded with qmk. I have this keymap (got the lfkpad to flash successfully). I just want to know how I can access the RGB layer? It shows in the base, mo(1). According to the keycode log, it should be able to let me access the layer as long as I hold it down. I try and hold it to access layout [1] but it doesn't seem to work, but my other custom keymaps do.
Here it is:
const uint16_t PROGMEM keymaps[][MATRIX_ROWS][MATRIX_COLS] = {
[0] = LAYOUT( /* Base */
KC_ESC, KC_END, KC_PEQL, MO(1), \
KC_NLCK, KC_PSLS, KC_PAST, KC_PMNS, \
KC_P7, KC_P8, KC_P9, KC_PPLS, \
KC_P4, KC_P5, KC_P6, \
KC_P1, KC_P2, KC_P3, KC_ENT, \
KC_P0, KC_PDOT),

[1] = LAYOUT( /* RGB */
RGB_SAI, RGB_VAI, RGB_HUI, KC_TRNS, \
RGB_SAD, RGB_VAD, RGB_HUD, KC_TRNS, \
RGB_M_X, RGB_M_G, RGB_MOD, RGB_RMOD, \
RGB_M_SW, RGB_M_SN, RGB_M_K, \
RGB_M_P, RGB_M_B, RGB_M_R, RGB_TOG, \
KC_NO, RESET),
};
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>>66692502
Is RGB enabled in the config file?
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Whats the consensus on Kailh switches? Better than cherry? I'm having such a difficult time deciding what keyboard/switches to get
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>>66693491
Kailh boxes are the hot new meme (that are actually good). Get box navies or royals m8.
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>>66693514
If Im just going to be doing a small amount of gayming and mostly typing shit and surfing the world wide web, which would be better?
I have never used a mechanical keyboard before so I have no reference for what I might like in regards to linear, tactile, or clicky.
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>>66693529
If you don't mind the loudness of clicky swtiches, get navies. If you have girly hands there are jades which have a lighter spring. There's more tactility in them & it's sharper than royals.
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>>66693595
Whites are better than jades for gaming, though
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>>66693614
If you really want to be autistic about switches for vidya, then a linear switch is probably what you'd want.
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>>66693620
I don't mean they're the best, I mean they're better.

Jades have a spring that's actually a bit too light, meaning some keys won't pop back up after repeated bottoming out.

It's rare to have it happen while typing though. Hence why whites are a safer bet.
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>>66693529
I tried all the clickbar switches (except for speed) and liked whites best but I like to type really lightly. If you press your keys pretty hard, go for >>66693595
otherwise pale blue or whites feel great too.
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>>66693734
I guess so. I'd just suggest getting a few extra switches just in case any jades have trouble resetting. As an anecdote I've switched the springs in my navies with royal ones, essentially turning them into jades & none of them have trouble resetting.
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>>66693734
Lol no. It's a tolerance issue, so just get a few extra switches to be safe, and click each switch a few times before soldering in to test. If it's good, then it will remain good, it won't randomly decide to get stuck at some point in the future.
As my own anecdote, I haven't encountered a failing switch in an order of 80.

>>66693620
That's subjective. It feels awful gaming without clicks, except for WASD where it's just annoying - but if I had to choose I'd definitely get clicky switches.
On the other hand I found speed switches to be actually great for gaming, but obviously not a great idea for typing.
Given all this, I'd recommend blues or some other light, yet clicky, switch to >>66693529. But obviously that's subjective.
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>>66693620
never understood that; seems to me you would want to have some feedback for when you press the keys, right?
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>>66691050
>I'm wondering if you have any issues taking the BOX switches out
Good question. So far, I am on my second set of keys in my GMMK keyboard. The first set was made of Gateron whites, and they came out of the GMMK easily.

Wait, — I can answer your question after all. After I stuck the box whites in the GMMK, I swapped out the keycaps. Some of the box whites came out with the keycaps, so I'm guess that you would have no problem getting them out of your keyboard later.
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>>66694262
The idea is that with linear switches it's easier to rapidly actuate the switch since you don't have to reset some sort of tactile event. Of course if pressing the same button quickly doesn't matter to you then just get a tactile or clicky switch.
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Hey touch typists, here's a fun test.
- Place your eight fingers on any eight keys.
- Mash all the keys at the same time.

What results do you get? If you get 8 characters each and every time, then you know that your keyboard supports 8KRO, which should be more than you ever need.

For example, on my DE-layout, mashing all keys once gives me these results:
aösfkljd
lköäfgds
yvc.nxm,
xbcv,m.-
qruiwetz
14709823
43287615

That's great. It means my keyboard is registering my attempt at 8 simultaneous keypresses each and every time.
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>>66694273
Linear has nothing to do with actuation speed. If you have the clicky speed Cherry switches, then you will actuate faster than with linear Cherry switches with normal travel.
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>>66694308
I don't mean how many mm to actuation, but that you can move a linear switch between the actuation point and just above it really easily since there's no tactile bump.
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>>66694320
but you wouldn't know exactly where it is so you would likely be either not passing the actuation/release point or making larger motions anyways to guarantee it happens. idk I've heard things like they require less force to push down without a tactile bump and such too. never understood it
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>>66694357
You'd know because the switch actuates m8. After that the actuation distance can just become muscle memory. I'm sure some MLG fags could probably tell you all about how the mastered only moving their fingers 0.3mm for 'muh APM' or something.
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>>66694370
https://youtu.be/3UUq2yDqBdI?t=65
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>>66694294
No
Firstly, you don't need to be a touch typist to do this.
Secondly, KRO is the largest number of ANY keys that can be pressed. So technically your test doesn't mean anything as there could exist an 8 key combo that won't register, in which case it's not 8KRO.
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>>66687796
>>66689972
Allright, my next build might be with staggered columns. I'm just afraid it will be bad for games as WASD will be messed up. I'll need another one for work anyway, and there I don't have to use WASD.
Now I'm just worried having staggered at work and linear at home will mess with my muscle memory.

$60 with cheating, I have access to free 3d printing for the bottom of the case, and a friend can easily laser cut the plate out for me.
The rest is from aliexpress
- 62 pcs kailh speed copper switches $17
- cheapest cherry profile keycaps, 1U white grey blank npkc $30
- pro micro clone $3.7
- diodes $0.4
- found some screws and wires around the shop

I bought some latex milk for $10 from a cosmetics webshop to mod and silence the switches. I'm not counting this in as it will be enought for a couple of years (unless it dries out)
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>$2,350
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nightcaps-keycap-matched-set-3-caps-Sins-of-the-Flesh-Mamcus-colorway/153094494471
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>>66694983
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Is there any:
> RELIABLY wireless
> with FULL-SIZE shift key
> with DEDICATED function row
> with MEDIA KEYS 3 volume + 3 playback
> GOOD LOOKING
mechanical keyboard /mkg/?

I have been looking for one ~10 days straight. Options seem pretty limited.

GOOD LOOKING is a little vague there, so here are some examples from this thread that appeal to my taste:
>>66680803
>>66683561
>>66684861
>>66685849
>>66687528
>>66691957
>pic related
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>>66694721
Yeah for gaming pure grid layout is best. Since you're getting speed switches anyway might as well just make it fully gaming focused.

I've also mentioned this several times in the last couple of threads but consider linears for WASD, as it avoids annoying clicks every single time you sidestep, juke, and dodge (which will be A LOT of clicking on multiplayer games). The downside of course is that it fucks up typing, but since you're getting a second board it should be fine.
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>>66695377
what do you need a full size shift key for?
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>>66695430
Yeah I'm pretty familiar with switches.
my first kb had mx blacks, and I liked them, then I got an mx brown for work which was utter shit. It feels like scratchy linears instead of tactile.
I wanted to reach low overall travel, so I was looking for a switch with short actuation. I found out kailh speed switches have 1.1mm actuation, so I bought a switch tester.
I found the tactile (copper) one is really smooth and tactile unlike browns, so I chose that.
I trampoline modded them with a 2mm rubber piece, this shortened the travel to around 1.8-1.9mm.
Now it feels like notebook scissor switches, it's pretty awesome.
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>>66695470
I never had such a keyboard myself, with the shift key crammed and up-arrow key placed to its right, but I had to help a lot of my friends, and some students taking the course that I was the assistant of.

>pic very much related
This keyboard has been a nightmare to me. I enjoy being of assistance a lot, but these keyboards were taking out all the joy of it from me. I consistently were hitting the UP key and then whatever, instead of the SHIFT key and then whatever.

Idk if I would get used to it or not, but I definitely wouldn't want anybody to go through the same trouble I had been through when using my keyboard. That layout is on my blacklist and is an abomination, for me at least.
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>>66695591
I have that laptop and the keyboard is terrible. It's not just the layout. I think on a proper full-height mechanical you'd have a lot less trouble hitting the shift (I've gotten used to a Preonic with 1u shifts on both sides in no time), although of course it's still down to preference.
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>>66695591
Where in the third world is this abomination from?
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>>66696252
It looks like an acer laptop
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what's the point of stepped capslock?
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>>66696570
physically separating so it's easier to recognize without looking but without leaving a hole
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>>66680477
Reddit: the post
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>>66690284
Thanks, I'll look into those.
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>>66696336
It is the keyboard of an ASUS laptop, I have found it on the internet. Labels suggest that it is from somewhere speaking German.

I nowhere imply that this is a perfect keyboard otherwise, but the most atrocious thing about this keyboard was that trimmed Shift key, and the Up Arrow key sitting in its place. Yet, I see that type of layout even on the enthusiast mechanical keyboards, and specifically asked for one that has a full-size Shift, and nothing like this abomination:

Please >>> >>66695377
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>>66696893
sorry should i have said emacs
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>>66695591
check out my yoga 920 keyboard. it's a good thing I plug my own keyboard into it anyways so I don't have to deal with this bullshit
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>>66697263
Well I looked at a bunch of kits, and no name brand, and I don't like anyone of them.


I'll just go to Best buy and try a display model, and just buy something.
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>>66678148
What is the keyboard with the best lighting? Is a custom Topre available with lights?
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>>66689599
probably a troll but if not
just get a mechanical keyboard and diy it dumbass. this looks so trash
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>>66698511
lighting is shit, yes, realforce rgb
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Whats the most cost effective but reliable soldering iron/station i should get for my first two boards?
one 60% and one 96key
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>>66698264
Very sad
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>>66693491
Kailh clickbar switches are nice. Try out the BOX line. There ar different weights. One might just be right for you.
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>>66694429
What kind of test can us mortals make then?
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What are the best clicky switches these days? There have been so many new kinds of box or whatever switches, are any of them clicky and are they any better than the cherry and gateron clicky switches?
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>>66699172
Maybe you know the answer: I bought the Realforce RGB assuming that a Topre switch is a Topre switch. But this keyboard feels nothing like the HHKB that I lost years ago in a move. Why?
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>>66699617
because the hhkb is built like garbage, with flimsy all plastic construction to cut costs, which some people subjectively enjoy, while realforce keyboards are well-built, which many topre fans hate
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>>66699610
Box navy. They're better than cherry clicky switches in pretty much every way.
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>>66699567
Not really. But a recent approximation is to press both shift keys and type out every alpha. If everything comes out then your keyboard is basically good enough - if you need/want more then you should probably be looking at keyboards explicitly manufacturer with either 6KRO (which is the most you can easily do with USB without shitty workarounds) or NKRO.
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Hey dactyl-manuform anon, can I ask you: what are your hand measurements and can you easily reach every key on the thumb cluster without moving your hand away from home position?

And while we're at it how easy are the edge columns in the main block?
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I feel like this bothers me more than it should
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>>66700139
I've never measured my hands, but they're not small or anything. The bottom two keys on the thumb cluster are a slight stretch for the thumb, but I can still keep my fingers on the homerow while using them. If by edge columns you mean the inner one with the [ & ] keys, those aren't too much of a stretch either. The row curvature helps with that I find.

That said I could see why some people might find those bottom thumb cluster keys to be a stretch. One of the other dudes in the dactyl-manuform thread did modify the thumb cluster like this.
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>>66690598
I'm from Hamburg, too, and you either only know hippie girls, or you're retarded.

Selbst in harburg sind alle Mädels smooth unter den Armen und an den Beinen. Rasiert sich allerdings tatsächlich kaum eine die Muschi
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>>66700264
I did see that, hence I was asking. I used the guide from https://www.rocketjumpninja.com/top-40/ to measure my hand, would be neat if you could post yours to help me compare.
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>>66700525
Going by that guide, my hand is roughly 20cm/11cm.
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>>66700614
Thanks anon
>tfw handlet
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Ayyeeee navies came in today. Just gotta wait for my meme Planck to get in.
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>>66685149
Hey, I'm back. I legitimately wanted to know the opinion of others and I hadn't backed the project at the point of posting.
I wasn't expecting anything but actually got one referral, definitely from /g/. Given that less than 1000 people backed the product atall - that's kinda a relatively high likelihood of success. Which makes me think that the "gimmick" is fairly convincing, and that they really need some marketing. Anyway I didn't gain anything, just a steam code for some indie flight game.

I agree with wanting the tech to mature but from what I've seen, we're only likely to get more budget oriented versions of the same thing. The software offered with the keyboard seems pretty complete. Once it has key rebinding then I'll be happy enough.
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>>66684668
That just sounds expensive and clunky. In that case, why not a normal controller with much better ergonomics? I was thinking, why would I want a whole board of this switch but it doesn't take a genius to realise that being simple is much better economics.
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>>66701743
I'm building mine with box navies too, but I'll probably put hako royals in it so I can use it in public without annoying the shit out of everyone. How long of a delay do you think it's going to be before it ships? I haven't seen him announce the new date yet.
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>>66702206
>normal controller
Get out console shitter
>I didn't gain anything
>Got something
And a fucking shill to boot. Nothing you say matters now since you're only going to justify your purchase without considering the reasons behind other options.
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>>66702569
Wait it got delayed? Damn that's news to me.
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anyone else get sore fingers/knuckles from bottoming out on mx reds?
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>>66702670
Yeah, unfortunately.
/r/olkb/comments/8xjlpb/planck_rev_6_pcb_update/
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>>66702765
I got reds on my first mech and it didnt take very long for me to switch to something heavier because of the bottom out.
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>>66680565
>>66684861
I have one of these as well, with Gateron browns. So far I like them better than the Cherry or Logitech equivalents I've had in previous keyboards. I'll have to see about trying some different switches down the line, though.
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>>66699610
Try box whites too, box navies have a very big tactile bump.
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>>66702569
I bought the new hot-swappable PCB for the Planck, would it require any soldering or would it just werk because its hot swappable.
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>>66703490
hot swappable does in fact mean that you can simply place switches in without needing to solder them yes
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>>66703490
No soldering required for the switches. It has footprints for LED's for underglow and other things and those you would need to solder
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>>66703530
thank you
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>>66703490
Aye. Got the same buddy. Apparently there is a delay but I'm still pretty excited to try ortholinear without spending too much. Using navies until the novelas come in.
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>>66703569
>>66702670
Apparently not much of a delay here's the new update: the PCBs should arrive this coming Monday, and production will begin the same day!

So hopefully we won't have to wait that long, the shipping is supposed to be getting better too.
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>>66680477
>>66688283
>>66689730
>>66691754
I've had my HHKB for a few hours now... I'm so happy anons

I should mention that there were basically zero adjustments made for the blank caps. If you touch type it's a real pleasant surprise. Forces you to be more confident in your typing I think.
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>>66702978
>>66702765
Do only clumsy, flabby hamfists have this issue? As a pianist, I don't believe that reds will hurt my fingers in my next keyboard thanks to my control and restraint, though I feel that I smash my browns kinda a lot, but I can borrow my flatmates cherry red keyboard to be sure.
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>>66703869
aren't piano keys really heavy compared to keyboard switches? reds have pretty much zero resistance, the slightest touch will trigger them and there's zero feedback until you hit the bottom
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>>66703869
You have a hammer striking a string on a piano key and some mechanical give, though I'm not sure what electronic piano have in them. Keys have just hard plastic when you bottom out and cherry's common lineup is some of the lightest shit.

Damn, now I'm curious, what switches do electronic pianos have in them?
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>>66704129
They don't. Haven't read this article but it looks like it showcases some of the popular ones the big boys put in their DPs.
Damn I wish I wasn't such a lazy fuck and would try to learn piano, wish I never quit as a kid.
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>>66705054
Oops
https://azpianonews.blogspot.com/2013/09/key-action-digital-piano-review-best-hammer-weighted-key-action-roland-casio-yamaha-kawai-.html
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https://www.amazon.ca/Swappable-Customize-Switches-Mechanical-Keyboard/dp/B01G4PNN30/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1531371844&sr=8-1&keywords=teamwolf+zhuque

thinking of buying this and putting some box pale blues on it. good idea?
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Considering purchasing a buckling spring keyboard from Unicomp. Should I get something else instead?
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What are some keyboards that come with Kailh switches installed already? I'm too retarded to get a PCB, case, switches, etc and solder everything in myself. I'll seriously fuck it up
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Is TKL ergonomics really that big of a deal if you don't need numpad? Full size is so common here that they end up cheaper sometimes.
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>>66705879
Better to have and not need than need and not have.
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>>66703569
> without spending too much.
How much is it going for
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>>66705879
If you ever have to do any real work (i.e. something where you have to input numbers), you'll really miss the number keys. It is simply a pain entering lots of numbers via the top row.
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>>66705054
>>66705067
Neat.
My half-assed attempt to start on piano with a digital one my sister left around didn't go anywhere because I got annoyed with not having "home" for my fingers when everything felt the same. Looking up youtube videos to start:
>"If you need to hit a note then just move your finger over and hit it"
Thanks asshole.

>>66705879
A separate numpad that you can put wherever opens your options a lot. I have a cheap crappy one I bought eons ago to use with a laptop sitting to the left of my tada68.
Ergonomic wise, since my keyboard is in the keyboard tray of my desk, it lets my alphanumerics stay centered with my screen.
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>>66706158
> If you ever have to do any real work (i.e. something where you have to input numbers),
Data entry isn't real work. I agree that a numpad is nice but it really depends on what you do: I did get a separate numpad because why not, but the main thing I use it for me entering my card number in aliexpress and ebay.
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>>66698511
One you use outside.
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>>66706158
>data entry underclass

It confirms my strong suspicion that this board is composed by a bunch of retards where the smartest in any case are web developers, which are the lowest rung when it comes to using brains to perform a job. I fail to see how someone with better things to do would agonise over such trivialities. This is like cosmo for males.
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>>66706230
I don't understand why all of /g/ thinks, that only coding is work.
I don't do data entry, but during my apprenticeship in trading, it was literally the task that had to be done every day for multiple times. Doing calculations, inputting amounts and prices, etc. Most of the work was done in SAP like masks or Excel, so the numpad was so much faster than using the number row. Some of my older colleagues were so inefficient with data entry that I could do their day's work in an hour, simply because I can touch type and can use a numpad.

tl;dr most actual jobs in the real world require data entry
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>>66706548

>real work is beneath my towering intellect
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>>66706843
>only coding is work
only thinking creatively is worthwhile, and having a dull mind and a dull job leads to developing perversions like the ones entertained in dumps like this, endlessly discussing superficialities and technicalities instead of enjoying one's mind in bigger pursuits. This place stinks of stupidity, like sad housewives taking a week to decide about the tone of mauve that goes best in the bedroom, like bored men fantasizing about their new hand-made fountain pen as if they could write better with them than with ball-point pens.

The placebo effect is big among dull people. They cannot program or think or write or get recognition, but they sure have the "right" tools.
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>>66706548
>which are the lowest rung when it comes to using brains to perform a job
yet the web devs are making more money than other programmers, and most of the startups created these days are for web apps, aka most creative people AND most business minded people are choosing web development
makes you think
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>>66706046
The hotswapple one is going for like 50. The cheaper one is like 30. I had like 40 bucks in mechanicalkeyboards.com credit so I bought there along with the eotw case. Will probably get a hi pro case down the line.
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>>66705767
Motospeed ck61 comes with box whites, I have it and love it.

You could also buy the teamwolf zhuque and a pack of kailh switches, they're non-soldered.
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>Budget
I just don't want to waste money on some shit while I can have something good for half the price
>Location (continent at least)
France
>Preferred switch type
Never had the mechanical keyboard before. My intended use is mostly programming, shitposting and casual gaming.
>Layout
azerty
>Form factor
100%
>Backlight
I don't care if it has or not backlight. I rarely look at my keyboard when typing
>Previous/current keyboards
some shitty membrane keyboard.


bonus point :
>it is customizable
>don't have a gaming shit design
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How are these Zealios? They are on assdrop right now.
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>Budget
~100 dollarydoos
>Location
United States
>Preferred Switch Type
I prefer blues, but I'm trying to move to something significantly quieter in the future.
>Layout
ANSI for sure
>Form factor
I can either go tenkeyless or full layout, I don't have a huge preference
>Backlight
I honestly don't care, if I do I will have them turned off a lot of the time
>Previous/current keyboard
I really enjoyed my cm storm quickfire pro with blue switches, so I might just get another cm keyboard with another switch type.

Mostly I want to change switch type because my significant other is really annoyed by the sound my blues make, but I still want that feel to them
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>>66708866
Hey that's really neat, I could get my very own soγboard for under $100
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>>66709650
They're actually nice switches, but way to overpriced
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>>66709650
best non-custom switch imo but too expensive
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>>66708866
The l low cost version was cancelled due to low interest
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Bought a k-type, Ctrl board, and Mito Ctrl board... wtf am I going to do with all these hot swappable tkl boards.
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>>66709650
pretty good but overpriced af switches. I recommend buying them on mechmarket if you want some for cheaper.
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>>66711148
Why did you not sell the k-type?
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How to zilents compare to, say, matias QC or silent brown or aliaz? I'm assuming the tactility is the same as normal zealios (if not, I have some 67g for sampling, how would it compare?), but how is it in terms of sound? Is it louder than a rubber dome?
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>>66711310
>Is it louder than a rubber dome?
Both zilents and matias QCs are quieter than a regular rubber dome to be honest.
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>>66711323
I have a QC board and yeah, the main sound is the rattle because it's fucking lose and also very scratchy (I want to lube it at some point).
So you're saying they're about on par? That's good.
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>>66711148
I'm with you. Planck 6, mito alt and Kira 96. I'm guessing the ALT will be my main board.
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>>66709650
Literally cheaper on kbdfans. However unfortunately kbdfans doesn't have zilents, which is gay as fuck.
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I listed my old outemu brown 65% on Kijiji, where else can I sell it?

I'm only charging $40 CAD btw, and I'm in the GTA, so if anyone here has any interest that's cool too.
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>>66711815
Doubt it. It is hard to sell a magicforce68 on mm unless it is like 30 bucks. Outemu browns are very unliked as well.
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>>66711727
i mean at least u got different layouts. I literally bought 3 same layouts for 200 bucks each. At least the resale value on these boards are good, but probably not full price.
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>>66678686
Kek. But my colors!
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>>66711727
>>66711896
>>66711148
>>66711148
>>66711148

>Buying low profile shit keyboard

SAD!
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>>66678686
heh, it looks that lady is just disgusted by that whale.
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>>66711949
what is wrong with low profile keyboards?
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>>66711949
I thought low profile keyboards were these... you mean small form factor keebs?
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>>66711997
Pretty sure he just means the edgeless/floating keys style cases.
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/g/, do gamers hate Blue, White and Green switches? I'm shopping for keyboards in local computer shops and I'm having a hard time finding RGB keyboards that have these switches. Amazon is the very last option because I live in Thirdworldistan and delivery times here are at least 1 week in the capital, 2 weeks in major cities, up to 3 months elsewhere.
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>>66712023
I would give you help, but you got an anime pic. Sorry bud.
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>>66712006
What is wrong with it? I never had an issue with them.
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>>66712049
What's wrong with lewd 2D brown girls?
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After a month, I got my Tada replacement from kbdfans. This time went with red switches instead of blue, and I'm quite happy with them; they're far smoother and less inconsistent. The Gat Blues I had were less scratchy than regular cherries, but still scratchy nonetheless and, as I said, inconsistent. Though I think this lighter switch feel will take some getting used to -- I can't imagine going even lighter than this, honestly.
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LETS END THIS!

SURVEY TIME
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>>66684762
t. boomer
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>>66712141
Are there actually boomers in this thread? We are talking about viet vets if we are talking about boomers.
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>>66678165
>use keyboard as an excuse to show guns
m1freedom
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>>66712185
theres a surprising amount of boomer in /g/
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>>66712215
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>>66712234
I need some stats. I am genuinely curious now. You are basically telling me that there are 40-50 yr olds on /g/ right now?
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>>66712242
>ifunny
If this isn't b8 u need to leave
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>>66712302
>He fell for the bait
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>>66712302
>b8
Fuck off summerfag
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>>66712313
> I was only pretending to be retarded and summer
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>>66712023
>>66712072
Absolutely nothing, anon. I would say just cut the rgb, they really serve no purpose and you'll probably end up turning them off in a month or two.
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>>66712331
I am not even the same person anon...
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>>66712368
The RGB would be for highlighting my ability keys on vidya. And at least on my local shops there's very little price difference between RGB and monochrome LEDs, about 10 US dollars tops, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to get one.
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>>66712129
Nice survey retard
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>>66712537
Build your own desu, buying components from chinks
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>>66712023
>Weeb degenerate
>Looking for gaymer keyboard
This has to be some kind of bait...
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>>66712562
I'd have to order them from the internet, and again, that would mean waiting for months before I get my keyboard. I'm new to this shit though, if building my own keyboard really is better and cheaper I might give it a chance even if it means waiting.
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>>66712595
Can you enlighten us with your implied wholesome taste on 3D women?
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>>66712617
Here you go. This is what I fap to
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>>66712617
i have a qt virgin gf i hold hands with while we play video games
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>>66712665
that is pretty fap worthy.
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>>66712665
>calls me a degenerate for posting anime lewds
>masturbates to circuitry
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Does someone have the beamspring with "XXX slut" and "side slut" keys?
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>>66712699
...the fuck do you think you are?
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>>66712699
>comes into a thread about keyboards
>is outraged when people like keyboards
This has to be some sort of advanced bait.
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>>66712687
I can't wait for the tokyo60 drop.
>>66712739
the bait goes too deep. Pull out!
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>>66712725
>>66712739
Someone with enough humanity to fap to drawings of human women.
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>>66712747
Then why did you come into a thread about "circuitry" if this is all you want to post? >>>/d/
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>>66712747
>human
>anime
I got quite a chuckle from that.
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>>66712746
Where can you buy doubleshot black with white text keycap that are cherry profile. They are impossible to find.
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>>66712023
>sample
That's why you don't deserve help.
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>>66709810
bump
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>>66709810
Well we need more information for the layout. 100%, 80%, 60%?
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>>66713122
Learn to fucking read anon
> I can either go tenkeyless or full layout, I don't have a huge preference
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Is the Ducky One 2 any good?
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I just bought a logitech k840. It uses romer g keys, everybody says that they are bad, however I am satisfied with it.
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>>66713136
FUCK!
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Goddammit. I fucking hate my hobby. This is dropping tomorrow on assdrop for 250.
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>>66709810
The only thing that you can get that somewhat feels familiar to silent blues are mx clears or zealios. Browns suck dick.
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>>66713352
I am buying it... fuck. I usually hate 60% keyboards but that fucking looks amazing.
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>>66709810
I would recommend a gmmk with cherry clears. It is going to cost around 70-80. If you get bored or hate cherry clears, you can buy any switch and just switch them out.
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>>66713400
Honestly I think it looks like dicks. I would advise against it, especially since you hate the layout.
Unless you already have a setup in the proper retro style that will actually let it fit in and make it work, only then would I even consider it.
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>>66713400
Just do what I do m8; use a split columnar stagger board so none of these row staggered boards are ever tempting anymore.
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>>66713005
Clears or any of the prelubed premium variants.
I forget if tactile non click versions of box navy came out yet. That will only solve the click on press though, return can still be pretty loud. But that's just typing noise, the extra click gets on the nerves of anyone that's not at the keyboard.

>>66713159
Pretty good, nothing wrong, nothing great.

>>66713352
>Keys aren't rounded
>Spacebar doesn't take up entire bottom row
Are they even trying?
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>>66713400
>>66713352
>>66713491
This, + anon the keycaps benefit making the keyboard look cool. It is abs keycaps
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>>66713450
Where would I buy such a thing? I'm pretty new to all this
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>>66713583
https://www.pcgamingrace.com/products/gmmk-tkl-tenkeyless-customized
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>>66713606
>>66713450
kk cool, and are the Gateron switches a meme, or cherrys just forever the best switches
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>>66713627
The only reason to buy Cherry in 2018 is if you want clears or their silent switches, otherwise Gateron are cheaper and equally good

And then there's Kailh, in between the two in pricing and offering unique switches like the boxes and speeds
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>>66713627
kailh box switches are the new best switches
Cherry are just old standard, to the extent that they never did anything new with them until their patent ran out and chinks started out doing them.
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>>66713654
>>66713667
I might try the switch sample pack to see what I like before I buy

Thanks though anons, I thought that cherrys were still the most quality I could buy.
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HELP

I remember a couple years ago /g/ had these charts on best kbm. I now want to buy new kbm.

A long time ago, maybe 8 years or so, I bought steelseries kb and razer lachesis mouse. They served me well but now both are broken.

Some keys are triggered twice in rare circumstances and the mouse wheel is very broken to the degree that I can barely scroll anymore. Anyway, it has been long overdue that I get new KBM.

Please rec me some good kb and some good m to buy. Money is not an issue but obviously price efficiency shouldn't be too bad. Needs to be aesthetic, no boring clunky 'retro' shit and no gaymur neon hotkey infested shit. Simple.

I remember back in the day the most frequently recommended keyboard was called something like Leopold but that's prolly outdated now.




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