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>Assemble a part list
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>Learn how to build a PC (You can find more detailed videos on YouTube)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M2-UIwWguw
>How to install Win7 on new CPUs
https://pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1

Want help?
>State the budget & CURRENCY for your build
>List your uses - e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g. photo editing, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

Overclocking
>Use PBO on Ryzen. Legacy overclocking is defunct on Ryzen 2#00X CPUs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC3fsVk9Sss

CPUs
>R3 2200G - Bare minimum gaming (dGPU optional)
>R5 2400G - Consider IF on sale
>R5 2600/X - Good gaming & multithreaded work use CPUs
>i7-8700K - Best for 1080p gaming, but most expensive when factoring in delid, high-end cooler, etc.
>R7 2700/X - Best high-end gaming/mixed usage on a non-HEDT platform
>Threadripper/Used Xeon - HEDT

Motherboards
>Only Z300 series boards can utilize fast memory with Intel

RAM
>8GB - Enough for most gaming use
>16GB - Standard for heavy use
>32GB - If you have to ask, you don't need this much
>Current CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2933MHz+ is ideal

Graphics cards
>GPU prices have gone down
1080p
>RX 580 or 1060 6GB are standard 1080p 60fps+ options
>1050Ti or RX560 for lower settings 1080p, or older games
>GTX 1070Ti/Vega 56 if seeking higher fps & you have a CPU + monitor to match
1440p
>Vega 56 or Vega 64 /w Freesync; 1070Ti if you already have Gsync
>GTX 1080Ti if seeking higher fps & you have a CPU + monitor to match
2160p(4K)
>Titan V

Storage
>Consider StoreMi
>Consider getting a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & large HDD
>2TB HDDs are barely more $ than 1TB
>M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard

Monitors
>Always consider FreeSync with AMD cards
>Lock to 72fps on 144hz non-Gsync monitors with Nvidia cards to prevent tearing on more demanding games
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING

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>>66702116
Nice image.

Personally I'm saving up for a Talos II board
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>>66702144
Looks like fun, how much does a thing like that cost and what does it do?
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>>66702294
>what does it do?
Server things
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>>66702336
I mean what goes under those heatsyncs. I'm guessing this is for LGA1366. I've heard about people picking up old server hardware when the giant datacenters dump it in favor of more power-efficient stuff, but I don't really know anything about it.
How powerful is it going to be, how much is it going to cost you, etc.? Why are you doing this?
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https://www.ebuyer.com/811576-palit-geforce-gtx-1070-ti-graphics-card-ne5107t015p2-1043d

what do you think
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>>66702294
Cost: Way too much, 2500 USD

It's a really low volume mainboard; so much so that the bundle throws in the lowest end CPU and a Heatsink/Fan for free:
https://secure.raptorcs.com/content/TL2MB1/purchase.html
https://secure.raptorcs.com/content/TL2B01/purchase.html

The whole firmware is open source.
The chip in the bundle is a 4-core POWER9 Sforza, but it's SMT4 so that makes it 16 threads.

It's kind of absurd, but I really want it.
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>>66702294
Makes your epeen 6 units longer
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>>66702336
Yeah, the chips are definitely meant for that, and the board is EATX, and ECC only, but there are people using them as workstations:
https://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-semi-review-of-raptor-talos-ii.html
https://twitter.com/LukeDashjr/status/983613227186688000
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What's the cheapest build for ps3 emulation?
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>>66702433
cheapest as in no effort attached best performance for the price? probably an 8400 and gtx 1060. though that's strictly for ps3 emulation. for all round gaming and other stuff a 2600 would probably be better but cost $60-80 more
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>>66702433
If you are willing to be a bit crazy, and run with pre-release silicon, they are selling a minimal system for 1600 USD
https://secure.raptorcs.com/content/TLSDS1/intro.html
* case
* single socket mainboard
* 8GB DDR4 ECC
* 128GB NVMe
* DD2.1 stepping 4-core POWER9 Sforza
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>>66702470
Since it's built to be a two socket system though, you only get 2 of the PCIe 4.0 slots, a x16 and a x8
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>>66702483
The slots also support CAPI 2.0, but the wiki only lists a Melanox network card so far:
https://wiki.raptorcs.com/wiki/Hardware_Compatibility_List#CAPI_Devices
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>>66702509
> Mellanox ConnectX-6 EN 200Gb/s Adapter Card
Or at least I think that's a network card. <shrug>
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It's the same Nimbus chip that's in the Sierra and Summit supercomputers, although that's the Monza module configuration, rather than Sforza.
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There's also a LaGrange module that Google and Rackspace are using for their Zaius mainboard machines.

That has better socket to socket communication, in exchange for fewer OpenCAPI and PCIe 4.0 slots.
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>>66702382
Neat. Have fun with it.

>>66702433
Let me know if you find out. There's always a bunch of debate about that and you'd think there'd be more definitive answers.
I'd assume something like an 8400+1060 is the best for the money for that, though. PS3 is 6 cores, after all.
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>>66702433
As cheap as the 2400G or 2200G depending on the game, Persona 5 might run better with the 60FPS patch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beAkUV5crwI
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>>66702428
Apparently the TenFourFox guy was testing PPC G4 emulation on it to run OS-X, since there were problems getting it to virtualise properly.

https://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2018/06/another-weekend-on-new-computer-or.html
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>>66702666
His OS-X theme on Linux is kind of cringe-y though...
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Is there any reason not to go with an 8600k for a new build? It seems to beat the 2600x in pretty much every way and the 2700x in everything that doesn't use a shitload of cores.
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>>66702741
Look at the worst examples of 0.1% minimums for each CPU, not the averages of both.
The 2600X is more of a consistently good performer.
On the other hand, you have the 8600k where it sometimes performs pretty shit for the cost.
And you have to take into account that benchmarks are run with nothing at all running in the background. What do you think will happen when you're at 100% CPU load on all 6 cores and something else in the background needs CPU resources?
And you have to further take into account that most game benchmarks are GRAPHICS BENCHMARKS and don't have AI, gameplay, etc running. They aren't meant to be used as CPU benchmarks nor represent how a CPU will run on the game.
BF1 is a huge example of this, where the benchmark that tech illiterate youtubers run is much, much, much lower load than 64 player multiplayer.

If not the 2600X, then you should consider just getting the locked 8700. It winds up costing around the same as what a 8600k+$180 motherboard+$60+ cooler costs for the 8700 with a $35 cooler like the H7 and just a bit cheaper Z370 board that only needs to support fast RAM and not overclocking such a power hungry CPU.
Or simply go cheaper and get the 8400. 8600k is not worth buying under any circumstance.
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>>66702433
get as many cores as possible
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>>66702897
forgot the pic
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>>66702833
What if the 8600k is on sale? Frys has an 8600k+NZXT mobo combo for $429 right now, and that brings the cost about in line with an 8400k. I also already have a good cooler that I can reuse with an Intel setup, while I'd have to buy a new one for anything AMD.

I guess the locked 8700 could be an option, though. That only works out to an extra $50 or so.
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>>66702947
>8400k
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>>66702947
Idk what board you're referencing or if it's VRMs and BIOS are up to the task of overclocking.
The fact is that most Z370 boards are suitable for overclocking a 6 core, and are made for the 8350k only. It's really a scam that they sell these 8600k bundles with shit boards under the assumption people won't overclock (because Intel says not to!).
And if you're not overclocking, why are you getting the k CPU?

My recommendation would be the 2600X, anyway. You won't notice the 15 fps lower averages. You will notice that it's consistently smooth in anything.
Plus you have the upgrade path to the 3700X or 4700X on 7nm, while with Intel you have a dead socket and even if it wasn't, their 10nm is a travesty.
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>tfw buying a new semi high end surge protector because I'll be damned if I let my current 15 year old surge protector protect my new computer.
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>>66703081
Fuck, it is indeed a Z370 mobo. I guess you need X299 for decent overclocking, then? I'd rather not lose overclocking potential, since my usual strategy is to keep things stock for the first year or two and then ramp up as new programs and games need the power, but maybe going with an 8700 would be enough to keep me up to speed for the four years or so I'll keep the setup.

I really am tempted by AMD, but I'm just kind of terrified of them. I've seen so many people talk about issues getting them working, and I know that a lot of programs and especially games are built for Intel and might not work great on AMD. Why 2600X and not 2700X? Just cost?
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>>66703252
>Why 2600X and not 2700X? Just cost?
because very few games can utilize more than 6 cores and 12 threads. Nothing wrong with the 2700X though. Hell. I bought one.
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Who else waiting for Zen2 and Navi? Zen2 should be dank and hopefully Navi at least forces Nvidia to keep the prices of their cards in check.
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>>66703252
>Fuck, it is indeed a Z370 mobo. I guess you need X299 for decent overclocking, then?
No... it's that all Z370 boards aren't created equal.
Most of them, the cheaper ones, are only really made for overclocking an 8350k (4 core) on them, not an 8600k or 8700k.
Why are you even considering a "k" CPU if you don't know anything about overclocking? ???

A lot of those 8600k+mobo or 8700k+mobo combos are basically scams since they're giving you a motherboard that's not actually good enough to OC the CPU on them, yet advertising them together.

>Why 2600X and not 2700X? Just cost?
May as well just save the money and upgrade to the 3700X or 4700X later if you aren't doing anything that uses 8 cores now.
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I need a good affordable 1080p monitor with Gsync, high refresh rate and low latency. Or whatever you guys can recommend to pair with a GTX1070

What should I look at? Also curved monitors look interesting are they worth it?
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>>66704057
i have a samsung c24fg73 1080p 144hz curved 1ms VA monitor with a 1070 and it's brilliant. you honestly don't need gsync if you have a monitor which has a really good strobing backlight low blur mode
pic related, top is if you're using gsync/freesync and bottom is if you use the low blur mode (all monitors differ with the quality and brightness of the low blur mode, if they even have one fyi)
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>>66702116
The 1080 Ti can run 4K.. you don’t need the freaking Titan.
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>>66704154
How do you know which monitors have low blur? I currently have a shitty 60hz monitor that blurs and tears so bad which is why g sync seems attractive.
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>>66704182
4K at 60fps maybe. Which will look absolutely horrible
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>>66704229
Fuck off.
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>>66704241
Found the poorfag with no argument.
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>>66704229
kys
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>>66703081
Awesome screenshot summary of 10 nm

>>66703517
I just hope that Navi will ship with proper AMDGPU driver support already in-kernel.
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Where can i get cheap dvi dual link cable? Too many fakes on amazon don't know which to get.
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>>66704216
>How do you know which monitors have low blur?
honestly, there isn't a single source which will tell you if a monitor has/doesn't have low blur. however sites like tftcentral and pcmonitors exist which give really in depth reviews for monitors and they usually mention if a monitor has low blur modes and overdrive, and they test them with that ufo test to see any potential blurring or smearing when in motion.
just make a list of maybe 4-5 monitors which really suit your needs and search those two websites for reviews of those monitors and see which one sounds the best to you or see which one they say is the best.

i would advise against VA monitors unless they're proven to have a good (and non shit brightness dimming) low blur mode such as my monitor as VA panels are a blurry and smeary mess without them. if you do find one with a good low blur mode then VA panels have the best contrast ratios and near IPS matching color accuracy.
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>>66703081
Sounds like Intel needs to buy a company if they want to survive the next generation.

>>66704274
Monoprice
https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=2408
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>>66703800
Oh, gotcha. The NZXT boards seem to have been pretty well-received by the usual review sites, and they were relatively happy with its overclocking performance, so maybe it's alright after all. You've got me pretty well convinced to look at other CPUs, though.

>Why are you even considering a "k" CPU if you don't know anything about overclocking?
It's not so much that as that I simply haven't been following things all that closely in the last few years, since I wasn't in the market for a new system. I'm currently typing this on an OC'd 4690k system and I've had quite a few before it (all the way back to an overclocked PIII in middle school), but it's gotten pretty hard these days to stay on top of things if you're not following them all the time, and it's surprisingly difficult to find concise and straightforward info without just asking somebody who knows better. (Other than just going to Logical Increments, but they're not quite as useful given that my budget is somewhat flexible and that I'm carrying a bunch of stuff over from my current machine.)
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So I've got about 700€, and I'm looking for the best gaming PC for that price. I already have a 120GB SSD a 500GB HDD, and a used 500W PSU (which I know is shit, but spare parts). I want to play Rust mainly and I don't expect the best graphics, just enough to reach 60fps on 1080p, even on low. What's your recommendation?
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>>66704229
I hope you're joking.
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>>66704793
My Titan V gets bottlenecked (100% usage and power consumption) at 90~120FPS on multiple AAA games with 1440p Ultra. 2160p is twice the pixels, you do the math
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>>66702905
Still haven't gotten Persona 5 to work in the emulator yet?
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>>66703252
>I've seen so many people talk about issues getting them working,
Is there issues if you have an x470 mobo and a 2700x? I bought a x470 pro and from what I understand all x470 mobo's have working bios for ryzen 2 chips but I could be misinformed. I haven't built the PC yet and I'm waiting on my GPU.
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>>66702116
I unironically use an i3 610) for lag free VR gaming, it has served me unexpectedly well
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>>66704860
You could spend less money to work less and be able to play more games.
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Where can I learn more about hardware not the components and "sockets and fans" but intermediate and advanced?
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what's the best way to get a new copy of windows that doesn't require me to fork over massive amounts of shekels
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>>66705216
pirate
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>>66705234
I am genuinely retarded when it comes to pirating, what are some decent cracks/trackers
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>>66705248
Get it from Microsoft and activate it with MSToolkit
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>>66704979
>Is there issues if you have an x470 mobo and a 2700x?
Not that I know of
>all x470 mobo's have working bios for ryzen 2 chips
You're right
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i'm gonna buy a 8600k and you ain't gonna stop me
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Brainlet here
I'm looking at building a computer to last me 4 years maybe 5. Looking at the below, it's a mix of new (mobo, ram) and second hand (CPU, gpu) and stuff I own (case, psu, screen)

Ryzen 2700x (price of a new 2600x)
8gb 2x4 3000 cl15
1060 6gb strix
470 or 450 mobo
500w Silverstone PSU

Goal is single screen gaming 75hz, with the possibility to upgrade my screen down the track and also upgrade to 16gb ram when the DDRapocalypse is over.
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>>66705845
Might as well make it 8700k
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>motherboard prices are soaring
>Ram prices are soaring
>Graphics cards prices are soaring
I miss my laptop.
I should've counted my blessings.
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>>66705946
Get a job
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What should I check when buying used system or part?
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>>66704057
>>66704057
>>66704057
Anymore recs for this?
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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rJyYWD

trying not to pass the $2500 mark. Aiming for 1440p 144hz.
The part i doubt the most are mobo, graphics card and monitor. Also, can anyone recommend a good case fan? Hoping air cooling is enough for mixed usage between gaming and video editing
any feedback appreciated
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>>66702116
Please tell me there's more than just this one image?
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>>66706082
>GTX 1080
The Strix cards are excellent, but for the most part the 1080 is a waste of money. You'd be better off getting either a Vega56 to pair with that monitor, or going a 1070ti and putting the small savings toward a G-sync monitor.
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>>66706184
in that case, should i stick with ROG for the 1070ti, or should i consider something else like EVGA?
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>>66706224
Either one's a solid bet. I can personally recommend the Strix cards across the Pascals, Vegas and Polaris. Never had anything to do with EVGA, but most reports are their cards a decent.
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>>66706082
You can't get 1440p 144hz without at least a 1080 Ti
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>>66706227
>8400
no
>8400 for overclocking
FUCKING LOL!
That's impossible. Unless there's a K in the name, Intel chips are locked and not overclockable.
Drop the 8400 for an AMD Ryzen 5 2600
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>>66706267
but 2600 is shit compared to 8400 unless he buys b-die and clocks it to 4.2 which he won't. His build is budget afterall
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>>66706267
No
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>>66706319
You don't need B-die.
Hynix ram will do in most cases. B-die is just ideal.
Besides, the 8400 tends to get tapped out in modern games. It won't last long.
tl;dr: MOAR THREADS!
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whats the best mini-itx case with tempered glass ?
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>>66706348
Nice meme
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Getting a new PSU and GPU and my first SSD M.2/PCIe.

I want my PSU and GPU to be as silent as possible (because my current setup is loud af).

Looking at this:
>Corsair RM750X 750W
>Either 1060 6gb or RX 580 4GB (The AMD >one so I can swap for new gen GPUs 4 free)
>AND
>Samsung 960 EVO NVMe M.2 SSD 250GB
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>>66706369
MOAR THREADS!
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>>66706369
>meme
>getting 70FPS with a 1080 ti
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>>66706474
Here's another one
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>>66706357
Probably the H200 but it might be too big, the Enthoo EVOLV ITX TG looks good but the airflow isn't great
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3332-nzxt-h200-h200i-mini-itx-case-review-benchmark
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>>66702116
Is Vive Pro worth the price just for video playback? Screen door effect doesn’t give me autism, but if the quality difference is vast, maybe it’s justified. Thank you
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>>66702116
are there tiny anime girls walking over my motherboard when i'm not looking?
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>>66706474
>>66706496
is this 4k?
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>>66706372
>Corsair RM750X 750W
Corsair outsource their PSUs so the quality depends on the model, I'd get a Focus Plus Gold or a Supernova G3
>Either 1060 6gb or RX 580 4GB
A 8GB one like the MK2 OC shouldn't cost much more than a 1060
>Samsung 960 EVO NVMe M.2 SSD 250GB
The 970 EVO should be cheaper
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>>66706560
1080p
The 1080ti struggles to fo 60fps at 4k in most situations.
The 8400 is just that much of a bottleneck. The GPU isn't even at 50% usage
At 4k, it'd be at 100% no matter what
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i have a 290x and and an 8350 at 4.7ghz

for years i could run games at 1440p well but not anymore. I am considering grabbing a 1080 when prices drop, I don't think my CPU will be a bottleneck for 1440p / 60fps gaming?
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>>66706590
https://youtu.be/FfpnKL_HgaA
but 2600 also struggles with 60fps in this game
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oh this is 4k my bad >>66706616
>>66706590
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>>66706496
https://youtu.be/QEq6B3psSOY?t=523
same scene more fps and with worse gpu
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>>66706384
>>66706474
>>66706496
Muh cherry picked screenshots without side to side comparison
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I get that the 1080 is better than a 1070ti, but is it $50 more expensive levels of better?
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>breaking the MOD rules with a thread
I'll lop on in here...

So using 2.2ghz server CPU to make a workstation worth the while? Parts seems cheap, and all I'd be doing is doodling in photoshop and other nongame related deals.
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>>66704182
>>66704229
It can't even run an older game like FO4 at 60fps at 4k.
Just search youtube for 1080ti vs Titan V 4k tests.

If you turn down settings, sure, but people spending $3k on a gaming PC are generally autistic and going to expect to be able to max everything.

>>66706607
Yes, the 8350 will keep you from getting 60fps+ in a number of games like GTAV. Dunno how bad it is in newer AAA games, but I know it's still bad in indie games.

>>66706690
No it's ~5% better, sometimes actually worse due to the slower latency VRAM, so not worth ~10% more.

>>66706706
>2.2GHz CPU in Adobe shit
Hell no.
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If I could only afford buying one new part should it be the GPU or cpu ?
I am looking to buying a used Xeon cpu.
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>>66706772
2.2gz runs near 2.8 for tasking, but I get that its not optimal for it... just a 200 dollar complete computer rig is tempting
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>>66706801
A 2200G build seems like it'd give you many times more computer for only 50% more money.

Or a used/refurbished Haswell Optiplex
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About to dedicate myself to updating RAM.
I can't find any reviews on this, but it's Samsung b-die, 3200MHz and surprisingly cheap.
Will I regret it or be happy with just a boring product?
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>>66706854
b-die is b-die.
Team Group seems to be making a decent enough name for themselves.

Though are you positive that's B-die? 3466 16-18-18-38 seems like it could be binned Hynix/Micron. Is it actually cheaper than 3200 CL14 RAM..?
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>>66706878
Maybe I'm wrong. I mostly got the idea from a tweaktown review and Tomshardware forums
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>>66706902
Also it still seems like the fastest for the price point. Corsair Vengeance being the closest match for my budget
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B-dies are wasted on AMD especially in high capacity kits
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I want a SFF-build for:
1) NFS
2) Crypto nodes

So, basically, a cloud which also does some shit.

I tried to select the cheapest shit, yet it came up to 800+ dollaridos
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gdvX29

What can I alter? I want 4 HDDs for a RAID-1 of 2 logical volumes + 1 SSD to run OS on it.
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>>66706902
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/cvGj4D/team-dark-pro-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-tdpgd416g3200hc14adc01

This is the b-die kit that I bought.
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>>66706975
Buy dual kit ram. 2x1 different ones will probably not work.
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>>66702116
Is logicalincrements still relevant? I remember being posted some time ago.
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>>66707008
Everything else's in place?
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>>66707011
Yes but they're normie.
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>>66707011
Yes but it's the prebuilt of building your own.
You'll end up with something nice but you'll pay more than if you did your own research.
There used to be a set of pcpartbuilder builds that were better but they disappeared too.
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Looking to build a new gaming build.
Current shit is too old so I need new parts for the most part. Was wondering if this is a good build or maybe I should change something out?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/crXBr6
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Redpill me on PSUs. Want to buy a reliable one but don't want to spend too much. Want around 550-750 W I guess for 8600k and 1080.
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>>66707080
Get 8400 instead, 16gb 2666 ram, 550w psu and drop windows
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>>66707154
>8600k and 1080
wew. To be a brainlet

>>66707080
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/crXBr6
Either spend more an get the 2600X and faster RAM, or get the i5-8400 and 2666 RAM.
Or spend less on Windows and use that to afford the 2600X and faster RAM.

Also that model of GPU is garbage. Don't get why people are memeing with these $300 1060s when you can get an RX580 for cheaper.
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>>66707235
stop posting
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>>66707154
>8600K
Don't. Get 8400, 2600(X) or 8700K.
>PSU
EVGA G3 or SeaSonic Focus are very good PSUs with great value.
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1 week ago I bougth a PC, could have used this thread.
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>>66707315
At least now you know what to look for when you decide to upgrade
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>>66707328
Yeah my PC build already got ripped apart by a friend, and said I know that I now already can go an buy a new CPU. I will save this and remeber it.
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>>66707293
I basically only care about FPS, and 8600k is right at the top according to benchmarks, and 8700k is way more expensive here. 2600x isn't much cheaper either.
Can't get those PSU models here for a good price too... Some others to look out for maybe?
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>>66707169
>>66707235
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GbfQRJ
Heres my new parts list, gonna see if i can use my windows 8 disc again
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>>66707355
Suit yourself but 8600K is a bad buy regardless.
Also where do you live, Botswana? Those PSUs are widely spread.
Link some shop site.
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>>66707363
>8400
>Z
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>>66707355
>benchmarks with nothing running in the background
>GRAPHICS BENCHMARKS with no AI, gameplay, etc, meant to benchmark the GPU and not CPU
Use your brain, if you can.
And yes I know the screenshot is the 8400, but the 8600k isn't a whole lot more powerful. This is only with a 1070 and the 8400 hits 100% usage on that.
Less usage on the Vega 56 despite higher FPS since AMD's driver uses much less CPU, but still most people are pairing 8400s and 8600ks if they're stupid enough to get an 8600k with Nvidia GPUs.

>>66707363
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GbfQRJ
>$150 motherboard ruining the value of the build
If you're going to spend that much, go with the 2600X. Your budget allows it, you're just being terribly inefficient with the other overpriced choices.
>still the $290 for a crappy 1060 model when you can get a better RX580 model for cheaper
>$100 PSU
>$90 for windows
??? This build is such terrible value.

Look at this.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ngmwq4
It's $150 cheaper and much better. Just add $20 for Windows 10 key off ebay (from a reputable seller) or kinguin (with buyer protection)
You COULD save even more money going with the 8400, but obviously your budget allows for a 2600X and fast RAM so you should go that route.
You could even throw in another SSD to pair with StoreMi, and just use your current Inland one for OS and such and use the additional SSD to speed up your 1TB drive and still be under the price of that last overpriced build you linked.
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Aside from lag and locked at 60fps, what are the other disadvantages of using an HDTV as a monitor. I'm going to build a cheap HTPC, but I was wondering if it's even worth it to try to play games on an HDTV.
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>>66707432
forgot picture
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>>66707363
Switch to a cheap b360 board or if you want to go with z370 get the cheapest and a 3200 ram
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>>66707432
okay faggot i'm gonna buy a 2600x but that shit better be as good as you're shilling it or i swear you cheeky cunt
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>>66707432
>>66707440
does this look any better?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mvFvZR
Sorry guys i havent built a new pc in 6 years im pretty rusty does this look any better? i am actually trying to go the cheaper route.
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Sapphire nitro+ special edition for 300€ worth it?
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>>66707473
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mvFvZR
I picked the armor mk2 over the armor in mine for a reason.
The armor's cooler is too shit. It'll be loud, and is slower, and may even throttle. If you really don't care about that, then okay I guess.
But otherwise that looks fine, yep. That's probably give-or-take the best you can do for the price.
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>>66707438
But it gets more fps because the vega is more powerful than the 1070 not because it doesnt run at 100%
>>66707473
Yes, even though the rx 580 is about the same perfomance as the 1060 some games run better depending on the card. Check the games you play mostly and pick accordingly to which gpu runs it better
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>>66707506
>300€
That's like $350 USD. I don't think so but I don't know how much tax is on that.

I have that card and it's definitely not bad, but actually kind of wished I just got a GTS if not the GTR-S and put a better cooler on it.
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>>66707514
tax is included in the price
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>>66707513
>But it gets more fps because the vega is more powerful than the 1070 not because it doesnt run at 100%
Are you serious?
You think the 8400 would get more FPS there with a 1070ti or 1080 when it's already at 100% CPU load with the 1070? That the CPU will magically become more powerful because you swap in a more powerful GPU? That's not at all how it works.

That wasn't even the point I was making that post, either. The point wasn't whether the 1070 or Vega56 is more powerful (Vega56 is, dur), the point is that even with a 1070 the i5-8400 gets to 100% CPU load because Nvidia's driver uses more CPU.

>Yes, even though the rx 580 is about the same perfomance as the 1060 some games run better depending on the card.
If you're getting a CPU with only 6 threads like the 8400, you should have an AMD GPU since their driver uses less CPU which leaves more left over for the game itself and so on.
And the RX580 is currently cheaper. And supports Freesync. It's a no brainer decision there.
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>>66707507
I changed it to the mk 2 thanks for the help man
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So I've been using a cheap IPS monitor for the last 10 years and had no complaints other than it's a bit small, I recently bought a pricey TN monitor, but what is this absolute horseshit? You have to be looking exactly dead-on or the colour is fucked, and the brightness is not nearly as nice as my old IPS.

It also has a stand that can't be disassembled, which I almost fell for, pretty sure I can't return it if it's assembled. Is there anything I can do to lessen the colour-shifting?
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>>66707355
Even just get a locked 8700 over an 8600k. Actually spending money on an i5 that isn't the cheapest one is fucking stupid.
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im upgradin my pc, should I buy new hdd if this one is almost 8 years old? im plannin to get Samsung - 970 Evo 250GB M.2-2280 + 1tb hdd
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>>66707555
This is common knowledge. Not sure what you're trying to say here or why you thought it'd be okay to go from IPS to TN.
You should be able to disassemble it though, no? I'm guessing snap in pieces but there should still be something you can do.

>>66707569
I can't imagine you do any work that'd make use of the 970 evo if you were able to survive this long on an HDD.
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>>66707595
im also surprised that it still works, i torrent more than 500gb a month, constantly downloading and deleting files
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>>66707541
??? Cpu running at 100% doesn't necessarily mean your gonna drop fps
>amd uses less cpu
Whats your proof? 1 game?
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>>66707609
K so you obviously wouldn't benefit from an NVMe. Just get a fast SATA SSD like the MX500.

>>66707614
>Whats your proof? 1 game?
This is common knowledge, you idiot. It's fundamental to how the two company's architectures work. Start googling.
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>>66707627
...I was asking if I should buy new hdd or not
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I've just bought this:
Ryzen 5 2600x
MSI x470 gaming plus mobo
16gb ddr4 @3000mhz Corsair ram

As a replacement for this:
Intel i5-3450
Some random mobo from 2009 with 2 ram slots
16gb ddr3 ram @1333mhz

Did I do well? Bought it for 520 euros
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>>66707614
>??? Cpu running at 100% doesn't necessarily mean your gonna drop fps
The namefag shill is correct, you're a fucking idiot.
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>>66707641
If it's CL15 or better RAM, ya sounds good. Hopefully all goes smoothly for you.
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I plan on buying a computer for the following purposes:
>security server (24/7 security cams, 2x 720p 30FPS feed currently, but will be upgrading that soon)
>media server (consolidating all of the household storage to make shit easier on individuals)
>small business use (backups of all invoices, quotes, etc.)
I'll assume it'd be best to keep those separated to an extent via VM's.
I know I'll need a decent amount of storage, and to setup some scheduled shit for archival purposes.
Aside from those, I know fuck all else. What am I doing, anons?
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>>66707650
Got this ram
https://m.alternate.nl/Corsair/16-GB-DDR4-3000-Kit-werkgeheugen/html/product/1218098?gclid=Cj0KCQjw-JvaBRDGARIsAFjqkkrkoeXYWCFBIgWBxEaupTHQsgHSksIQNZyHBZHxHuicxsoP7kBz1X4aApQvEALw_wcB&ad_id=277331707865&channel_code=110&s2m_product_id=IEIG5R32&utm_source=google
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>>66707644
Wheres your proof
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1080p 75hz casual gaming pc build. Thoughts? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fLx38Y

I plan to buy a bundle of CPU mobo and ssd at microcenter saving about 50 dollars this way
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>>66707671
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fLx38Y
Same thing on the GPU mentioned here: >>66707507
I'd also get the MX500 500GB for only $35 more.
Maybe Meshify C case?
Looks pretty good, though.

>>66707662
Is two builds out of the question? I'd do a NAS for the backups of both your small business, and backup of the video storage.
A separate one for your media server and encoding of the recording.
You can save storage space if you do CPU encoding since you can save a higher quality at lower birate.

>>66707665
I'd try manually tightening in the timings even better, but yeah that's ok.
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so i see that the sapphire special edition has RGB fans, does anyone know if i can turn fan LEDs off?
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>>66707703
Two builds isn't out of the question, but was mostly thinking about consolidating things to a single computer to ease up on space. I was also wanting to consolidate it so I could pass it off as a business expensive and claim it back on tax.
At this point, it's mostly just dependent on price. I don't even know what sort of price I should be looking at for this sort of thing. I currently have a computer that I bought the parts of, then a friend put it together for free for me, so I was also considering building it.
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>>66707670
The whole theory behind bottlenecking you neanderthal. Bottlenecking isn't some mythical plot for a Disney fairy tale.
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>>66707801
Still no practical proof
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>>66707834
the sky is blue
>"prove it!"
Just look at it.
>"Still no practical proof"
3/10 for each (You) I've given you.
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I have a 1070ti and a 4690k overclocked. If i wanna upgrade my processor in any meaningful way am i doomed to have to get a new mobo and overpriced ddr4 ram?
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>>66707924
Probably, the socket you have now is outdated and will be stuck on ddr3 ram. New processor means new ram and mobo in your case.
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>>66707924
Best you can do is try and find a secondhand early model Z170 that still had DDR3 support, and go with a suitable 6700/7700 i7... But by the time you put the energy into that, you may as well just sell your CPU/MB/RAM as a combo and put together a Coffeelake or Zen+ system.
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>>66707909
But gpu still runs at 99% even if cpu is at 100 wheres the bottleneck?
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I'm pretty sure my old Z77 MB died. Instead of buying an old MB online for a i5 3570 what's good with MBs, Ram and CPUs these days? Mostly the PC will be used for 1080p gaming with 1440 in the future.

I'm thinking the Ryzen R5 1500x, How are ASRock boards but what about RAM, I'm trying to stay near $300-350.
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>>66707975
Asrock died on me multiple times,
MSI and Asus never let me down
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>>66707966
Or obviously look for a secondhand 4770/4790 i7 and keep the platform, but again I'd think you'd be better off selling and starting fresh unless you come across a secondhand CPU dirt cheap.
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>>66707966
>>66707940
Oof thats what i figured. Thanks anons, probably gonna wait it out for a while and see if prices drop. Not like anything good is coming out on pc this year anyway. I can get a steady 60 on most stuff, but i get slight drops on stuff like witcher and deus ex which i figure is my 4690k sucking
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>>66707924
>am i doomed to have to get a new mobo and overpriced ddr4 ram?
No, a 4790k is a decent upgrade if you can bother to sell your 4690k and hopefully get like $80 for it, so the upgrade cost is only like $150-$180.
There's also apparently 4960X on ebay for around $300 if you can find a reasonably priced board. At that point you're probably better getting a 2600X as even with overpriced DDR4 you're looking at around $400-$500 upgrade cost (or less from selling your current 4690k, board, and RAM, really)

>>66707975
ASRock boards are fine. Gigabyte is the only one I'd avoid.
I'd also advise you to wait for the 2500X and b450 boards coming later this month since this is for gaming.

>>66707970
>But gpu still runs at 99% even if cpu is at 100 wheres the bottleneck?
It's just that they're evenly matched in the worst cases.
You'll see actual bottleneck at gtx 1080.
Also, I understand you're stupid and "common knowledge" isn't actually common to you, but the GPU utilization is very misleading. You can see two benchmarks with two different CPUs and the same GPU where both are 99-100% utilization, yet one can be 20% higher FPS than the other. This would be apparent to you if you've done testing yourself or looked at more side-by-side tests.
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>>66708018
>There's also apparently 4960X on ebay for around $300 if you can find a reasonably priced board.
Goodluck to anyone looking for a reasonably priced X79 board. Solid advice otherwise.
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>>66708066
Yeah, I'd only recommend it for someone who already has 32GB of DDR3 that they actually use, and would need 32GB of DDR4 which costs an absurd amount.

Otherwise... looking at the $450+ you might spend on an 4960X and board, minus the ~$100 you get for your 4690k and board, it makes more sense to spend $500 on a 2600X, motherboard, and RAM and get ~$150-$200 for your 4690k, board, and RAM.
It's also probably easier to sell a cpu+motherboard+RAM combo than just cpu+motherboard.

5775C is another option. That was probably the best CPU intel ever made relative to the time. But for that reason and that they didn't make enough nor really market them, afaik they're hard to get ahold of. It often still outdoes the 6700k and 7700k despite having slower RAM and lower clock speeds.
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I just bought a Gigabyte GPU.
Did I fuck up?
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>>66708210
>He didn't buy the terabyte GPU
Poorfag
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>>66707981
Ah damn, I was told to get Asrock and avoid Asus yesterday.
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>>66708223
asrock is actually based
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>>66708223
>he bought asscock
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What’s the best free PC benchmarking software?
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>>66708223
Asus make one of the best motherboards and bios/uefi out there. I got a 10 years old AM3 board that still works nicely. ASRock on the other hand is a mixed bag.
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Do I need a GPU brace for the EVGA 1080 FTW Edition or can I secure the backplate to the back of the case and call it a day?
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>>66708319
Probably FCAT.

Or learning to code and writing your own.
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>>66708319
Games you bought already
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I don't know much about ram timings and such, but I am running DDR3 24gb at like 2076MHz or so, at 11-11-11-30, is it better than let's say 1866/1600 9-9-9-28 or lower?
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>>66708337
I only play games before 2004 though
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>>66708367
ctrl+f Memory(RAM) https://rentry.co
True latency formula is in there.
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How do I know what HDD and SATA drives to throw out and what to keep when upgrading?

crystaldiskinfo just shows "Good", "Caution" or "Bad".

I've got 7 drives from the past 3 builds stretching back 8 years, all in various stages of their lifecycle, that I need to consolidate and decide what to throw out and what to upgrade.
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>>66708392
did you forget something senpai
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>>66708392
>>66708410
Ya oops https://rentry.co/pcbg-FAQ
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>>66708426
btw, I forgot to say that I already calculated it on https://notkyon.moe/ram-latency.htm
it gives me about 10.59 for 2076 cl11 and 9.64 with 1866 cl9, but iirc I couldn't really get it to work at the later speed.

So yeah, at the end, the only thing that really matters it's lower real latency, right? like something below 10ns. Like, if it was like 2400mhz but cl 16 or so it would be shit, right?
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>>66708327
Asus is shit stop shilling
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>>66708426
I've followed 90% of the advice listed there and heavily researched my build. I haven't regretted anything thus far. I'm going to ignore the listed advice on GPUs and get a GTX 1080 FTW. I've researched the FTW 2 vs the FTW and prefer the original. The reasoning is that I'm going to buy this GPU to finish off my build and then I'm not even going to look at parts until I start having issues running games again and I feel like upgrading. I don't want to wait for new GPUs and at the current prices I'd rather just buy the card I want and just accept I'm not being as price efficient as I could be.
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I have a 2600x and PBO is not available, says
>future feature in development

what do?
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>>66707909
>>66707834
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>>66708619
buy switch
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Any infos on whether or not B450 will support XFR 2?
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Fuck those prices.
>Look up used prices
AHHHHHHHHHHH.
FUCK THE THIRD WORLD.
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>>66707541
Are you retarded? The Nvidia driver uses LESS cpu because it's much more multithreaded. Amds driver has been heavily single threaded for years now and it's a well known issue which has plagued them and that's why a lot of YouTubers talk about AMD driver overhead.

https://youtu.be/H-aP0JqJkJ0
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>>66707614
He doesn't have any proof because he's an uneducated retard. This moron said a 290 and 390 both have a different memory bus width
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Budget: around 300-400 €, less is obviously welcome but I have doubt on such possibilities
Use: Drawing, divers use of graphic softwares.
PC: gtx950, AMD FX6300

I want to get a new monitor, who would be a good fit with my graphics tablet: an intuo pro medium. I think the higher who ideally fit is 27 inches? I have an hard time finding a recommended ratio.
As guessed, it would by mainly for the use of graphic software and drawing, though I still play game a little on it.
I don't really care about speed, I play mostly RPG and STR and don't care the least about E-sport. I'm curious about the 4k but with my current build I would certainly not use it for games, it would be for a better build in the upcoming years.
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>>66708401
I am also interested in this. Obviously everything will have backups but I am curious if there’s any more indication I can get
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>>66708473
True latency is generally what matters the most, yes.
Lower true latency effectively increases IPC. Higher frequency increases bandwidth but high memory bandwidth is rarely utilized.

>>66708544
Ok.

>>66708619
What board?

>>66708685
Almost surely, considering some b350 boards do.

>>66708697
Holy shit lmao, you actual retard. That source doesn't contradict what I said at all.
>>66708717
>He said thousands of correct things but made a single mistake that he immediately corrected. Believe me instead
This desperate to have people believe your lies.
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>>66708722
you're looking for a 1440p IPS panel as a starting point
LG makes some of the nicer models as long as one is willing to stay at 60hz.
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>>66708426
>Using multiple monitors that aren't the same refresh rate (ie one 60hz, one 144hz), causesstuttering even during web browsing

Lmao this retard is so biased that he still kept this in despite being given video evidence from multiple people showing this isn't an issue. He didn't even change it to "can cause" because he's so set on lying and shilling to get people to buy AMD. I even gave him a long list of problems I had with my AMD graphics card that has tens of thousands of people having the same issues such as with open CL rendering applications and he refused to put that in.
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>>66708747
OK, thanks, I will try to get it to work on 1866 cl9 or so.
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>>66708757
>one faggot's shakicam video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyD_U2PrkLE
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>>66708747
I'll be getting a B450-I pretty soon.
A smol mobo would be hard-pressed to saturate the PCI-E bandwidth, so what am I actually going to lose over the X470 variant?
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>>66707432
This nigga litterally shills the shit RX580 Like it’s his religion.

Fuck off with your AMD house fire
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>>66708771
Just admit you're biased.
You're worst than a faggot in denial acting like this.
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>>66708747
>And you can see that in the shot below, taken mere seconds later. As soon as the action intensifies, the RX 480 suddenly loses a lot of performance. Minimum frame-rate actually hits 45fps in our tests - 20fps lower than the GTX 1060. And that's important when choosing a graphics card to pair with a less capable CPU. AMD's DirectX 11 driver lacks multi-threading capabilities and is significantly less optimal than Nvidia's, meaning that when the CPU is taxed, certain titles lost a lot of performance (and we stress, not all games exhibit the issue, but you have no guarantee which titles will be affected and which are fine).

Meanwhile you said
>>66707541
>If you're getting a CPU with only 6 threads like the 8400, you should have an AMD GPU since their driver uses less CPU which leaves more left over for the game itself and so on.

Neck yourself retard.
Well multithreaded driver = less overall CPU usage
The evidence is in the video you lying shill
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>>66708753
Thanks for the answer, I'm gonna give it a thorough look. Like said yes, I'm quit willingly to cut on the fps part.
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>>66708789
Bruh i had am rx 480 and the fucking pile of trash didn't even work properly even after several driver reinstalls. Relive doesn't even fucking work and there are hundreds of thousands of forum posts showing the same shit. He won't tell that to you though.
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>>66708818
don't hesitate to come back for confirmation and possible drawbacks once you think you have your ideal monitor
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>>66708771
>this one video is a lie because it doesn't fit my narrative despite being an actual test in game and on YouTube!
>this one video is the absolute Jesus fulfilled truth because it fits my narrative despite being a ufo test!

Lmao
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>>66707473

don’t get an RX580 when the MSI gtx 1060 6g is legit on sale for 10$ more on amazon
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>>66708796
>shills admitting they're biased

He doesn't have to admit it because anyone without goggles can see it.
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>>66708796
>facts are bias
>listen to my lies instead

>>66708800
Holy shit you're so retarded.
No shit Nvidia's multithreaded driver works better on a pentium with poor single threaded performance.

How are you so incapable of reading or understanding anything to not understand that less CPU usage, but only on a single thread, is at many times worse and not always a benefit? It depends on how the rendering in the thread works, and how much CPU is available. On some games a 1060+g4560 is better than an RX480+g4560, and on the same game a RX480+7700 can be better than a 1060+7700. There's a vast number of tests to show this out there that I'm not going to bother to look up for you because you're too fucking retarded to understand simple graphs, as you've shown in the past.
No wonder you're so monumentally retarded and think you have all these "gotchas" for me that are nothing but showing your own ignorance. You're too fucking retarded to actually understand how retarded you are.

>>66708845
>I blindly believe one video where you can't even see that the 4 monitors are plugged into a GPU, showing shakicam 30fps youtube, because it fits my narrative even though it contradicts the reports of THOUSANDS of Nvidia users
You have the biggest bias of anyone who regularly posts here. You ignore facts and any reasonable thought process, whereas my "bias" is simply following the actual facts.

>>66708865
I love how you "guys" always show up in a group, with your posts always more than a minute apart.
/pcbg/ can go days without one of your retards, and then suddenly there's supposedly 2 or 3 of you on at the same time.
Totally not the same person thinking that if you pretend to be multiple people that your bullshit will be more believable. But no one ever believes it. Go figure when all you do is sperg out and spam easily verifiable lies.
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>>66708865
of course he's biased since that's what being a person is
just stop shitting up my thread for god's sake
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>>66708401
Also, how reliable is Western Digital's black series?

I'm looking at maybe 1x6tb and 1x512mb SSD
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>>66708895
>le group discord boogie man
oh fuck off. You litterally post in as a tripfag on every fucking /pcb/ thread every fucking day, I’m 100% convinced you have no life and are a paid shill.
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>>66708895
>this complete drivel and topic changing

I'm not even going to read your damage control of an essay because you clearly don't know a single thing about any of this. Clear, hard, statistical evidence was just shown to you that when in a CPU bottleneck scenario AMDs driver taxes the processor more than the Nvidia driver. You can't and never will be able to refute this because it's been a fact for nearly 10 fucking years with AMDs driver overhead. /g/ had this same discussion 5 years ago and not a single person claimed Nvidias driver is more taxing on the cpu. Holy shit go back to fucking r/AMD or wherever you came from instead of shitting up these threads with blatant lies to further your AMD fanboyism agenda.
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>>66708936

Fell for the meme and bought the WD black 7200rpm for like 60$ 2 years ago. Hasn’t failed me yet, never had issues with it. You’d be fine with any WD hard drive as long as it’s 7200rpm
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>>66708895
>/pcbg/ can go days without one of your retards, and then suddenly there's supposedly 2 or 3 of you on at the same time.
>>66708915
Look, your boyfriend like, other thread, is back defending you just after you saying another bullshit.
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>>66708895
>Go figure when all you do is sperg out and spam easily verifiable lies.
So you're saying I'm lying when I said my rx 480 and relive barely even worked despite there being multiple thousands of people confirmed it even from a matter of weeks just past?
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>>66708950
He says himself that Nvidia's driver is multithreaded at 8:00
He agrees with what I said, because it's true and DF know what they're talking about unlike you.
Despite using more CPU overall, splitting that CPU usage over the 4 threads of the G4560 tends to mean it completes the driver overhead faster. Hurr durr. This is the most basic concept that my niece could have understood when she was seven years old, yet you don't understand it.
It's amazing how stupid you can be, yet so sure you're correct.

AMD's driver uses less CPU overall, but it's all on one thread with their DX11 driver. This is simply a fact of the two architectures. You can email/tweet DF, Gamer's Nexus, Anand or anyone knowledgeable, and they'll tell you the same thing. Not that you'll believe it, since you're dense and retarded, but they'll say it. It's common knowledge and simply a fact of the two's significantly varied architectures.

This is at least the 5th time you're cited a source, a video like that, which contradicts the bullshit statement you were trying to make, by the way.
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>>66709070
Why are you ignoring that I agreed with you and said there were problems a year ago? But there aren't lately. The drivers now are good. If you search back with a year history in google's search tool, yeah the issue with black screens comes up. If you search a month back, the only fucking result is a guy on a year old driver being told to update.
Don't act like you didn't read it, because you responded against afterward, yet here you are bringing it up again when it's a complete nothingness of a subject.

This is a tactic you do a lot, and it's to the point where it's just plain spamming when you keep bringing up debunked issues that you know are nonsense, but you're hoping there's someone new who'll read it and be deceived if no one wastes their time to call you out.
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>>66708895
>I blindly believe one video where you can't even see that the 4 monitors are plugged into a GPU, showing shakicam 30fps youtube, because it fits my narrative even though it contradicts the reports of THOUSANDS of Nvidia users
Another anon posted a different video later
>https://streamable.com/o8va1
Forgot to mention? Or this is invalid too because doesn't follow your "factual" belief?
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>>66709078
>completes the driver overhead faster.
>completes driver overhead faster
>completes driver overhead

What the literal fuck? This has got to be some serious high quality bait. This statement doesn't even make any fucking sense to the point I'm concern for your mental health.

>AMD's driver uses less CPU overall,
Nope. I had this same discussion again and again with lying shills for over 10 years and to this day not a single one of them has been able to provide any form of conclusive evidence (or any suggestive evidence at all) for this claim. Keep shitflinging and not providing evidence, it's funny.
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>>66709117
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/8pseic/my_relive_recordings_have_video_stutter/

>literally 1 month ago with several people having the same issue and no definitive fix
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https://www.techpowerup.com/245928/gigabyte-readies-a-pair-of-aorus-branded-amd-b450-motherboards
first mATX mobo with doubled 4 phases instead of plain 4. I can't believe this finally happened
too bad it's le aorus
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>>66709118
What am I looking at here?
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>>66709118
LMAO the issue started as a FACT the other thread, agreed to a old problem when proved wrong by multiple persons, back as a faggot's shill later in this thread
>>66708771
and now agreed too.
I'm starting too think you having some serious mental problem.
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>>66709207
Wrong first quote.
Meant for >>66709117
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>>66709157
>>66709157
That's a different issue that wasn't mentioned last time. It's something new you found.

Fix is to not use FRTC.
It is a known issue and I'll add it to the FAQ.
In fact I'll try to see how I can link to the latest driver release notes that has such known issues listed something like an "I'm feeling lucky" google link that searches and redirects to the later driver page?

>>66709175
Yeah, too bad it's Gigabyte.
Gigabyte's PCB quality has been pretty good in general. But their BIOS are just ass-backwards.
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>>66709272
Yes it was mentioned. See the last line.

>>66701532
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>>66709303
The stutters as mentioned there, without FRTC enabled, were fixed. Stutters with FRTC enabled remain.
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>>66709381
No one mentioned FRTC. It's a universal problem. Myself and these other people have this issue without FRTC. I've never used that technology ever before and I don't ever plan on doing so if I go back to using the 480, which again I don't ever plan on doing so.
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Hello i am thinking of upgrading to gtx 1060 6gb but is it worh it in the current year or should i upgrade something else. My budget is around 300 eur
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>>66709405
Uhh am I wrong and that anon had FRTC enabled? I doubt it as it's not a commonly used feature, not on by default, and it was a while ago. But sure I just assumed. Doesn't change that it's not been a problem for a while so long as you disabled FRTC.

Are you just failing to read again, or ignoring it out of desperation?

>No one mentioned FRTC. It's a universal problem
It's not a "universal problem" when there is a fucking workaround. It might not be ideal, but nothing is with either's driver. AMD's at least tends to have work arounds whether it's disabling an option like so, or a rollback.

>>66709441
>Analyzing
>Speccy
Throw it away and get a new PC.
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>>66709441
i am fucking retarded
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>>66709448
Are you? I didn't see anyone in that reddit thread saying they used frame rate control and they were having the exact same issues as me and I was also not using framerate control. I don't even know what that shit really is and have never used it before and I don't even know why you brought it up. There are still many people having playback stutters with relive and it's happening to people who aren't using this tech so stop trying to mask over it and accept it as universal problem as there is no exclusive criteria to identify why it's happening to these people and myself.
You sure love defending AMDs issues but love to shout about Nvidias issues. As an owner of both this makes me cringe to be quite honest. Neither company cares about you so simmer down.
Now try not to get too mad at this post.
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>>66709451
1060 6gb would be good for that 144hz monitor. That's the one with Nvidia 3dvision right?
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>>66708972
>Look, your boyfriend like, other thread
Everyone is gay according to you, stop projecting and learn english
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>>66709451
You can use that haswell for another bit no problem
>144hz
Keep in mind a 1060 still need some quality adjustment
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>>66708895
>be me
>not tripfag homosexual
>go to /pcb/
>help anons in need in things I have knowledge of (that is of substance and not merely parroted memery)
>shut the fuck up about things I have zero (0) things to contribute
>see this blatant homosexual recommend housefire-tier PSUs that one time
>shat on him for not, at the very least, drill into newfags that if you must cheap out on parts, do NOT do it with the PSU and avoid brands that are known to be shit
>b-but he already had that part
>b-but THEY'RE GOOD NOW
>b-but TELL me where I was WRONG
>tell cockmaster that I have no time to sift through his faggot posts and I will let BASTE AND REDFIELD anons with weaponized autism/tonsafreetime do it for me
>when it happens it happens with more than one anon tearing him a new one
I told you so. Now kys and stop flooding /pcb/ with shit-tier posts
>being THIS incapable of NOT replying and shutting his whore mouth
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>>66709451
>4 slow threads
Just get a 1050Ti if you can find a good deal on one. That's a pretty big upgrade over what you have, whereas a 1060 is going to be bottlenecked by your CPU in a lot of cases.

Unless you just want to play at higher quality at low and stuttering framerates.

Or just make a system with a 2400G. The iGPU is better than your current GPU, though as far as I can tell your monitor is Gsync.
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>>66709540
>telling anons to buy 1050tis with the visible trend in GPU price drops.
>not telling anons to JUST WAIT when JUST WAITing is applicable
Please go
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>>66709509
>Everyone is gay according to you
prove you aren't
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>>66709536
Jesus you're more autistic than I expected, the guy already had a PSU and you chimped out implying that his house was gonna burn down
>kys
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>>66709572
>taking off his trip
>missing/avoiding the point of warning anons of shit PSUs
We know it's you faggot, you useless piece of shit
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Does anyone have advice as to what WiFi adapted to get for my gaming pc? I know it’s a stupid question but I am at my girls parents house and the room I’m in I can’t get a proper landline so I am just going to WiFi it to the modem. I see all kinds of USB adapters but they range anywhere from $5 to $80. are the high priced ones any better or is it just for chumps?
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>>66709536
>/pcb/
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>>66709608
get ones that are PCI-E
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>>66709628

Okay thanks. Anything else I should look out for?
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>>66709536
Are you trying to say the SuperNova G3 is a bad PSU?
Or are you talking about the build where the guy already had a PSU?

Go be stupid somewhere else instead of spamming /pcbg/.

>>66709608
You might want a USB one with an extension so you can separate it from the interference of your PC.
Like https://www.amazon.com/Asus-USB-AC56-Dual-band-Wireless-AC1300-Adapter/dp/B00FB45USW/
or https://www.amazon.com/Netgear-Nighthawk-AC1900-Adapter-A7000-10000S/dp/B073JHHNJ9/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1531409765&sr=8-5&keywords=usb+AC+wifi+adapter+netgear

But they all can have their share of issues.

Otherwise a TP-Link PCIe one that has solid user reviews. But the thing is that user reviews tend to be more of an aggregation of whether people have issues or not, but not an objective assessment of how good it is when there aren't issues.
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>>66709646
Just read reviews from multiple sources. Then compare. The older the source website (not the review itself) the better, but not always. Be wary of consumer-oriented sites and favor enthusiast-oriented ones [OCP etc] It will be way better than """advice""" you'll get from resident retards like >>66709652
Speaking of which.
>You might want a USB one with an extension so you can separate it from the interference of your PC.
>even suggesting a USB-based solution when PCI-E ones are on the table
If the quoted passage above does not serve to warn newfags of the stupidity of this faggot, then said newfags who follow his shit """advice""" deserve all the things they get from following said advice
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>>66709652
>>66709698

Well I will probably go with the pcie for now. I’m not sure if this will even work since the router is upstairs. I believe he has some kind of extension downstairs that I can have access to. If anything I’m fine with just being able to browse the net but it would be cool to play rocket league too.
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>>66709698
Lol you sound obsessed with this cooler guy, I think you're the fag
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undecided between a 1070ti and a 1080
price difference where I live is exactly 100 euro
is the 1080 worth the extra 100 euro?
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>>66709770
No, if it were 30-50 more maybe
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>>66709732
Get repeaters that you can plug in wall sockets that can handle what the main router shits out. That or go into the main router and switch it from 5ghz to 2.4ghz for dat der range but only if 5ghz won't reach you.
>>66709770
>is X worth Y
Only (You) can decide on that. Every anon will have differing "worth" to X amount of monetary units. Anybody who will without reservations say Y is worth X amount of Z is retarded.
Real advice is this: just wait (for real this time) or be JUSTed
Second Real advice: pick a budget and time frame wherein you want your build assembled. Then measure the "worth" of meeting those two.
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>>66709833
>outdated benchmarks
>reaching this much
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>>66709889
>>66709833
>>66709898
now let's see some 1440p shall we
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stop posting cpu charts oh god I'm feeling nauseous
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>>66709536
Nice blog post, now tell us where the other autist touched you autist.
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>>66709833
This is a good example of "worth":
How much is an extra few FPS worth to one Anon and is that few extra FPS worth buying in a socket with no future vs. buying a socket with a good 2-3 years left in them but requires expensive RAM to fully utilize.
I'm doing this so you faggots would start thinking for yourselves and not be swayed by shills from either side.
tl;dr (this should be in the OP)
1. calculate your needs and how much your needs are worth to [YOU]
2. gather facts on each major component and compare for yourself
3. buy
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>>66709927
He touched me on my 140mm AIO cooler and caused an ESD which couldn't be handled by my DIABLOTEK PSU which shorted my VIA mobo, causing it to stop POSTing
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so everyone knows that i5 8400 is better than 2600 for only gayming performance.
I have a Noctua NH-D14 so I may overclock the ryzen cpu, will it match or overperform the i5?
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>>66710002
>will it match or overperform the i5
in doing what you brainlet
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>>66710014

He said gaming you illiterate mong
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>>66710014
gayming
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>>66710002
it needs more expensive rams to overperform 8400
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>>66709945
>requires expensive RAM to fully utilize.
No it doesn't, overclocking non B-Die kits will still give great results
>tl;dr (this should be in the OP)
No, people aren't stupid enough that they need to have that explained
>>66710002
>so everyone knows that i5 8400 is better than 2600 for only gayming
No it isn't, look here >>66709877
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>>66710035
ok so i will go with intel, thanks
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>>66710023
>>66710028
>gayming
FPS/watt/temp?
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>>66710047
>not b die give it great results
>posts b die 3400 ram bench
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>>66710047
>No, people aren't stupid enough that they need to have that explained
>people are still listening to that absolute trash of a tripfag
>people aren't stupid enough
>inb4 tripfag trash redundant
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>>66710047
if so i will go with amd,
i need good cheap mobo and ram recommendation then
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Has anyone ever made a gaming PC using a thinkstation case?
I hate the "gamer" look.
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>>66710052
It's Hynix you retard
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What is the best value CPU? I don't need the most powerful. The i3-8100 seems solid but I don't know.
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>>66710064
That bench is a manual tuned ram timing on b die 3400 expensive ram, a water cooler, and expensive oc mobo. Dont expect to get those results
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>>66710076
No lol its 3400 b die it was the whole point of the video
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>>66710068
that red strip does look gamer-like
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Due to some Amazon shit, my 16GB Ripjaws order was put through twice

I only really need 16GB, but was planning on maybe eventually going up to 32GB

Should I just keep it now (money isn't an issue), or send it back and wait?

What do you even need 32GB for if you're not video editing or whatever? VMs? VR?
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>>66710068
>Not a pizzabox thinkcentre
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>living under a rock for two years
>hear about ryzen CPUs a week ago
>Sounds too good to be true
>Research a bit
>Needs it's own Socket/Mobo
>Needs a pricy high frequency ram
>Needs a new cooler to OC it
Holy shit almost fell for it what makes ryzen such a hot meme?
And why shouldn't I just get an i5 processor for same performance for a way lesser price?
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>>66710103
nothing to be honest, return it and buy some beers
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>>66710068
Poor airflow desu.

Just get a fractal.
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>>66710064
Don't mind the shill, you can get a B350 like the PC Mate. Do you want 8GB or 16GB?
>>66710101
Do some reseach you dummy, it's a CL16 Hynix
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>>66710133
Its b die retard go watch steves video again
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Be fucking honest, /pcbg/ - does 144hz really do anything if you're not playing FPS?
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>>66710151
Yes, what kind of question is that?
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>>66710137
He never says that the 3400 kit is B-Die because it doesn't exist, there's no Sniper X 3400 CL14. Stop embarrasing yourself
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>>66710160
I'm not an autist who needs that last .0000005% performance for $20000. I just want a good monitor.
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>>66710205
That statement makes no sense, roastie
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>>66710133

https://youtu.be/m6RWEnUsLSY

He says out of this own mouth is samsung b die. Kys
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>>66710173
>>66710221
Its confirmed b die he says it himself and says it wont work with non b die poozen ram shills btfo
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>>66710173
Anything above 3200 is b-die tier retard. 3400 cl16 overclocks even better than a 3200 cl14
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>>66710151
just moving your mouse cursor around is an actual pleasure at 144hz
in games when you can actual maintain the fps it's spooky levels of fluid but you do get accustomed to it
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>>66710108
>>Needs it's own Socket/Mobo
Like ever CPU in the market
>>Needs a pricy high frequency ram
Its not too far away from what you'd pick for Intel. $30-50
>>Needs a new cooler to OC it
Not particularly. That's more so for Intel (de-lid)
>Holy shit almost fell for it what makes ryzen such a hot meme?
I'm sure your shilling or only get your info from one.
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>>66710246
actually
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Best 4K gaming monitor not the 144hz ones?
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>>66710227
No he doesn't, pay attention. There is no CL14 Sniper X
>Using aggressively tuned G.Skill Sniper X DDR4 3400 with tightned subtimings
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>>66710228
>Anything above 3200 is b-die tier retard.
Not true
>3400 cl16 overclocks even better than a 3200 cl14
How can you be this retarded and still give out "advice"?
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>>66710299
Dude lol you are wrong and its clear you are wrong if you watch the video
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>>66710336
>its clear you are wrong if you watch the video
>b-but the video
I just showed you evidence of it using Hynix
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Rate my build I plan on making in a month or so. Suggestions/alterations welcome (everything except processor)

Keep in mind Im not trying to skimp money, Im trying to get a nice machine with near top-tier speed without incurring excessive diminishing returns
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>>66710351
Think what you want idiot. Doesnt make you any less btfo. The cl14 3400 ram he uses is b die. He says it himself. I posted the proof of him saying it himself. Not wasting another second talking to you about it
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>>66710362
10/10
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>>66710377
>cl14 3400 ram he uses is b die
Why don't you look for that specific kit? If you would you'd notice it doesn't exist because it's a Hynix CL16 kit
>I posted the proof of him saying it himself
No you posted the video I quoted here >>66710299 from your fucking phone no less
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>>66710362
derp
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>>66710108
>And why shouldn't I just get an i5 processor for same performance for a way lesser price?
Because it's not the same performance (frametimes are worse to start), it's on a dead platform, the 8600k is a waste of $240 compared to the 2600x at $200-210, Intel doesn't supply their shitty cooler with K-sku processors, the 8400 is a locked CPU and they're still having issues with spectre and meltdown if you care about security.

>>Needs it's own Socket/Mobo
What CPU doesn't?
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>>66710416
You really did that faggot rams? You can buy 3200mhz for like 40-50$ cheaper
Also
>1170
good luck
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>>66710416
>3600MHz C18
Look for a kit with better timings
>Case with pre-installed AIO
You could get a Meshify C and a better cooler like the NH-D15 for that price
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>>66710416
Amazon is horrible for tech deals + they charge taxes. Most of those prices are MSRP as well. Unless you have the store card or the Prime credit card (5% back) then it really isn't worth it compared to Newegg.
>970 pro
>8700k
>gaming 5
I hope you aren't doing this for gaming. That's a lot of money you're throwing out the window for no reason just to put it on a mobo with pretty bad VRMs.
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>>66710313
is not a lower number better on that graph?
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>>66710443
>frametime stutter meme
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>but intel stutters!!!
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>>66710492
This was already shown here >>66706384 >>66706474 >>66706496
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Seriously feel bad for those that got memed into a 1600
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>>66710492
For the sake of argument let's say I'm wrong about frametimes. It still isn't a good idea for all the other reasons. No one should be buying anything less than a i7 at this point with how close to 100% utilization the 8400 is. Buying the 8600k puts you way over what the 2600x costs.
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>>66710504
>>66710513
>>66710522
>he doesn't realize he's showing the 8400 spiking in those graphs
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>>66702116
New thread
>>66710331
>>66710331
>>66710331
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>>66710533
>i cant read the bench. Ryzen wins!
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>>66710529
>let's say I'm wrong about frametimes
You're not though
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>>66710458
good luck?
almost everyone expects them to get anounced in a few months
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>>66710151
>have two monitors, one VA 144hz and one TN 60hz I got off of some latina qt for $25 including her travel
>use 2nd screen for watching kino/auxiliary shitposting while gayman (using Actual Multiple Desktop for maximum shitposting output)
>my nausea when I try to shitpost using two screens at the same time
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>>66710416
Here's how to improve your build
Delet shit case
Buy Fractal Design Define S
Get the window version if you are a homosexual
Buy a 420 AIO cooler and mount it on top
Buy three 3000RPM 140mm Noctua fans and mount them at the front to give the succ
Buy another three 3000 RPM 140mm Noctua fans and mount them at the bottom (succ), side (succ) (if you're not a faggot and got a non-windowed version) and rear (blow). If you get an 1170 that is watercooled, delet one fan from this list and put the WC block at the bottom (succ)
Don't listen to the retard regarding Amazon. If you're using their 5% rewards card then you're gucci
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>>66710576
Every games frametimes spike. It shows us nothing without a side by side
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>>66710529
>Buying the 8600k puts you way over what the 2600x costs.
>6c/6t just like the 8400
Trust mean the threads matter
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>>66710471
Why would you recommend an air cooler with a AIO water cooler is a complete upgrade?
Also whats wrong with that RAM? Those timings are fine
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>>66710475
Real talk its only an extra $50-100 for a similar gaming setup, but this will be faster in other areas. Why bother trying to skimp a mere $100?

And whats wrong with the mobo? It does everything my other option, the Maximus X Hero, does but costs less
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>>66710629
>Fractal Design Define S
Why would you suggest a downgrade case? Its not even liquid cooled. Also it looks stupid, too plain.

Also, why do you retards keep suggesting air cooling instead?
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>>66710725
typical yurop poorfag, can barely afford a toaster
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>>66710725
>80€ case for a budget build
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>>66710725
if you wanna save some cash, get a cheaper PSU. for that build, 500W is a massive overkill.
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>>66710699
>Why bother trying to skimp a mere $100?
If you're doing other things than gaming that can use that speed then by all means. But for gaming you're paying +$100 for a fraction of a second faster load time.

The VRMs are only a 4+2 (if it's the same on the Z370 as it is on the X470) which aren't really enough for a 8700k if you plan on pushing it past stock. You're putting a budget MB on a high end CPU.

>It does everything my other option, the Maximus X Hero, does but costs less
Are you looking at software features or the actual PCB?
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>>66710725
>case is more expensive than most of the parts
>windows, but no parts that actually look good
>4GB ram
I know not everyone can buy a $2,000 PC, but is it really that hard to save up to actually buy parts that aren't the bare minimum? Or are you coming from some kind of 15 year old machine?
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>>66710783
Whats so bad about 4+2? Ill probably try to OC to 5.0ghz so I want a solid mobo to support that. Are you saying the auros gaming 5 is a bad choice for that? Basically I care about: tons of ports, at least one USB-C, 802.11ac wifi built in, nice RGB and overall quality

The maximus x hero looks better, but its also like an extra $70. Not out of my budget though
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>>66710830
>Are you saying the auros gaming 5 is a bad choice for that?
Yes. 4+2 means the VRMs will get too hot for a 5.ghz OC and will throttle your performance due to temps.
>at least one USB-C, 802.11ac wifi built in, nice RGB
None of these have anything to do with performance. There's a reason people go for the high end boards when they have high end CPUs. The CPUs require better components because that create more heat/use more electricity.

The Maximus X Hero is a better product overall. Not sure if it's worth $70 more, but you're already spending $350 on a CPU that you probably plan on having for awhile. Or get the Gaming 7 which should be slightly cheaper.
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1170Ti or 1080?
1080 has faster vram
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I meant 1070Ti
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>>66710914
Hmm, good point. I didnt realize the VRMs were so bad on the auros gaming 5. Ill probably just get the hero instead, thanks.

Is the RAM fine though? Or should I spend an extra 50-100 for 4000+mhz ram?
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>>66710960
1080 is better, but not by much. Go by the cost
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>>66711050
>Or should I spend an extra 50-100 for 4000+mhz ram?
I can't speak for anything outside of gaming. Is the application you're rely heavy on ram speed? If not then no. For gaming anything past 3200 is a waste.
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>>66711080
Not so much for gaming, but for overall performance. Boot times, application load times, chrome opening 40 tabs at once, etc.

If its like 5% faster for $50 I think its worth it, but I have a hunch its only like 1% faster.
Im also toying with the idea of a 2nd 970 pro in raid0 for hella speed.
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>>66711218
>If its like 5% faster for $50 I think its worth it, but I have a hunch its only like 1% faster.
It's closer to 1. Also ram speed isn't really going to help boot times or load times unless you care about fractions of a second differences. It's for processing large amounts of information like a video or synthetic benchmarks.

>970 in raid0
Like I said, I can't speak to anything outside of gaming (and I guess general use), but you're still talking about fractional differences for nearly x2 the price.
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>still buying the 8400
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>>66710725
This is hard on the eyes
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>>66711271
I don't have to buy rams with the same price for it to match the 8400.
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>>66710108
Oh, you've been living under something, anon. Nice bait.
>Needs it's own Socket/Mobo
Like the majority of processors? Intel manage 1-2 (leaning more on the former) generations per mtoherboard, before forcing users to upgrade to a shiny new motherboard.
>Needs a pricy high frequency ram
My 2x8GB 2400MHz kit that costed me $140 AUD disagrees.
>Needs a new cooler to OC it
Even disregarding Zen vs. Zen+, this is objectively false. My Ryzen 5 1400 clocked just fine to 3.85GHz (couldn't be bothered restarting/rebenching) on the Wraith Stealth, and I've never seen it hit over 46C even at full load with an inexpensive cooler like the Be Quiet Pure Rock.
Zen+ require lower voltages to maintain a given clock in comparison to Zen.
What point is there in just mindless shitposting?
>And why shouldn't I just get an i5 processor for same performance for a way lesser price?
Not sure about which country you're in, so I can't say for certain which would be the better option.
Typically, if just gaming, the general consensus is sure, get Intel. If power draw is a problem or energy costs a lot where you live, don't get an overclocking-oriented Intel processor. non-K model Intel & pretty much all Ryzen CPU's are fine for that. If you want a platform with longevity, Ryzen is typically more adviseable, since you can ride the AM4 bandwagon all the way through to 2020 with guaranteed support.

TL;DR Stop shitposting, anon. AMD Ryzen and Intel Core are both fine, it just depends.
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I'm a retarded faggot living in Australia that has no fucking idea how to get cheap monitors. Everywhere I fucking look on retail, a decent fucking monitor costs easily $150-200. How the fuck? Do I have to wait for a fucking sale for anything here to be a fucking reasonable price?
Currently using mismatched monitors. 19" 1366x768, and a 22" 1920x1080.
This is making me even more autistic to try and use. I don't want to go back to a single monitor, since I'm too used to the real estate that dual monitors offer.
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I've been using the same PSU for 10 years when do bad things start happening?
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>>66711791
$150-$200 is a more than reasonable price for a monitor. Move out of your shithole and get a real job.
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>>66711791
>Do I have to wait for a fucking sale for anything here to be a fucking reasonable price?
That's actually pretty normal and reasonable for the market. You may find some discounts on Prime Day (16th) or on Black Friday, but as far as normal prices go $150-200 is expected.

Being broke =/= unreasonable prices.
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>>66711739
>I don't have to buy rams with the same price for it to match the 8400.
With the price drop you won't have to worry about the ram price aswell as get yourself a machine that's twice as powerful as the Intel in gaming
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>>66711744
Let me pull another 100$ out of my ass to match an Intel stock cpu.




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